Browsing a local thrift, I found a box containing a "Matchpoint" card.
Apparently it's a PC card which allows you to read Apple disks, via an ISA
card and some software. Has anyone ever used one? Is it worth finding a
5 1/4" drive for my PeeCee?
Also, does anybody have a spare Apple 25-pin-to-19-pin drive cable? (Or
are all those pins supposed to be broken?)
Thanks,
--
Ben Coakley CBEL: Xavier OH bcoakley(a)teleport.com
http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley
My PET 2001-8 is a 240V version and has serial number 1008669.
There is also a hand texta number on the board itself 38658
----------
> From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Pet Serial Numbers
> Date: Wednesday, July 09, 1997 9:53 AM
>
> Just curious if anyone knows what the starting serial number was for the
> Commodore Pets? So far, the following are the earliest Pets I have. I
> believe these both came from the local university at one of their sales.
>
> Description Model Serial #
> Commodore Pet Pet 2001-8 0035117
> Commodore Pet Pet 2001-8 0037625
This is the last call. On Friday I will be forwarding the final count to
Mike. For the benefit of those who haven't seen this yet (and for those
asking for more information) here is a casual spec of the Panasonic
HandHeld Computers that we are about to get a bunch of:
This computer came out around 1984. It was a handheld unit which featured:
6502 processor
8K RAM (the "top-of-the-line" model)
3 slots for 8K program EPROM on-board
Custom built tray to hold 10 additional 8K EPROMS
Tray also housed both computer and printer to make one compact unit
Printer is 40-column thermal (paper can still be found allegedly)
Full "QWERTY" keyboard
FORTH-like language in ROM called "SNAP"
Measures 9" x 3.5"
Some manuals available
Bunch of MCM 68674 8K EPROMs with programs on them
AC Adaptor
Now on to the original message. Instructions follow for reserving one,
two or many for yourself. Read on.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:52:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl4.crl.com>
To: Classic Computer Discussion <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Panasonic Handhelds
PANASONIC HANDHELD UPDATE:
This is the latest message from Mike who has the hundreds of Panasonic
HandHeld computers. In case its not obvious what's going on, I put in an
offer of $10 each for 50, $9 each for 100, $8 each for 150, etc. I don't
have $2000 lying around with which to buy them all up. I have a plan,
but first read what Mike had to say:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:39:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeooo1(a)aol.com
To: dastar(a)crl.com
Subject: Re: EPROM Burners re: Classic Computers
Dear Sam,
I believe the total number of HHC's available will be about 400.Based on
your offer I assume that for 150 of the units you would be willing to pay at
the rate of $10 for the first 50,$9 for the next 50, $8 for the next 50 and
$7 for the next 50 whcih would come to $1700 for 200 units.Would you be
interested in 300 units for $2000 even?To make the offer even sweeter I'll
throw in the memory expander trays with each unit.The cost for each tray
alone was well over $100 when they were purchased,as well as a quantity of
the MCM 68674 8K eprom chips that the programs were written on.
As always Best Regards,
Mike
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END FORWARD
So here's my plan...anyone and everyone who is interested, reply to ME
(do not reply to classiccmp! People will hate you and want to drown your
pets!) telling me how many you want. Do this soon. I will save all of
your e-mails and then at the end of say, 10 days I will tally up the
total and make Mike an offer. So again...
Reply to ME only (dastar(a)crl.com)
Tell me HOW MANY of the Panasonic HandHeld Computers you want.
Do it SOON.
You have about [2] days.
Price will be NO MORE THAN $10 EACH.
Sam
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
The Canonical List of Commodore Products doesn't go into serial number
schemes... my 2001-8 is serial # 80684, no leading zeroes... could be a
different numbering scheme entirely.
Kai
> ----------
> From: Marvin[SMTP:marvin@rain.org]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 1997 4:53 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Pet Serial Numbers
>
> Just curious if anyone knows what the starting serial number was for
> the
> Commodore Pets? So far, the following are the earliest Pets I have.
> I
> believe these both came from the local university at one of their
> sales.
>
> Description Model Serial #
> Commodore Pet Pet 2001-8 0035117
> Commodore Pet Pet 2001-8 0037625
>
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DO NOT DISPOSE OF THIS PART OF THE FAQ. THIS IS THE PART THAT EXPLAINS HOW
YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE AND UNSUBSCRIBE. IT WILL TAKE ME MORE TIME TO DO THESE
THINGS FOR YOU THAN IT WILL TAKE FOR YOU TO DO THEM YOURSELF
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Part 1 in the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy
Mail/Internet Basics FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) v1.2
Last Update: 7/01/97
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This FAQ is written with the primary purpose of making readily available
answers to the more common questions appearing on ClassicCmp. It is
Maintained by Bill Whitson <bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu>. The infor-
mation in this document has been gathered from a variety of sources but,
in general, the members of ClassicCmp should be credited for all contain-
ed herein. I have, of course, endeavored to be as accurate as is possible
and often failed ;).
This FAQ is Part 1 of the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy. The information presented
deals with the use of mailing lists and internet-specific tools.
If you have questions, comments, or corrections (always welcome) please
contact me at the address above.
A current copy of this FAQ is available on the web at http://weber.u.
washington.edu/~bcw/ccl.html or via anonymous FTP at 140.142.225.27 in the
directory /pub/classiccmp/faqs as classiccmp.faq.
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Updates: New Sections: 2.1, 3.1
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1. Mailing Lists
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1.1 Mailing List Basics
1.2 How to Talk to the Robot
How to set to Digest
How to Subscribe
How to Unsubscribe
2. FTP
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2.1 FTP Basics
3. World Wide Web
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3.1 WWW Basics
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1.1 Mailing List Basics
A mailing list is a simple device which takes an e-mail and redistributes it
to a group of people. People can add and remove themselves from the
distribution list by Subscribing and Unsubscribing. When you send a message
to the list, it is first examined by the robot for key words that tell it
to process an automatic funtion (like help, subscribe, unsubscribe, etc).
If the message does not contain a keyword it is sent to the distribution
list.
1.2 How to Talk to the Robot
There are a few List Processor commands that you might want to use. To
send a command to the list processor, write a message to
listproc(a)u.washington.edu
(Do NOT send the message to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu). In the body of
the message (not the subject line, that is) write one of the following
commands, then send the message.
SET CLASSICCMP MAIL ACK
Tells the robot to send you a copy of messages you
write to the list. This is the default.
SET CLASSICCMP MAIL NOACK
Tells the robot NOT to send you a copy of messages
you write to the list. I don't recommend this.
SET CLASSICCMP MAIL DIGEST
Tells the robot to send you a digest of messages
rather than each as it is posted. With this option
you will get a weekly bundle of messages and keep
a nice, tidy in-box.
SUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address
Subscribes you to the list.
UNSUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address
Removes you from the list.
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2.1 FTP Basics
FTP is a protocol by which files can be transferred over the internet.
You can use FTP to connect to a remote site and retrieve files. The
commands you use with FTP depend on the software you use. In general
you must make sure that you are in BINARY mode before transferring a
program file or compressed files. The process of downloading a file
is usually termed GET and the process of uploading a file is usually
termed PUT.
Your FTP program will require an address to connect to. For the
ClassicCmp site that address is 140.142.225.27.
You then may be asked to log in (unless your program assumes an
anonymous login). When asked for a name, use anonymous. When asked
for a password enter your internet e-mail address.
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3.1 WWW Basics
The only complicated thing with the WWW is knowing what bells
and whistles your web browser supports. You don't really need to
know much other than the address for ClassicCmp. The web site is
all text which means just about any web browser from the oldest
Lynx to the newest Netscape or Microsoft browser should support it.
The ClassicCmp site is http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw/ccl.html.
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At 11:30 AM 7/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
><< I have a LAPTOP 80286. Can I connect to INTERNET with it?
> Does any Winsock exist?
>there is a program out in the shareware world called nettamer which will let
>you do mail and text only web browsing. i plan to use it on my ps2 model 30
There is also a program called "Arachne" which does graphical web browsing
under DOS. (I use it when working on web pages under DOS -- far more
efficient and faster than loading windoze and using a windows editor!) I
believe it also works with some TCP/IP stack for DOS, but I've not really
looked into that.
P.S. the NetTamer home page is at <http://people.delphi.com/davidcolston/>
and there's a whole passel of DOS Browser/etc. info at
<http://www.concentric.net/~Cruzing/dosinet/dosinet.shtml>. Hope this helps!
P.P.S. you can, of course, use a shell account with pine, tin, lynx, etc.
with just about any computer that can hook up to a modem.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
The 7800 is actually '83 or '84 developed. A small number were sold
then, and the rest sat in warehouses for a couple years. seriously!
-Mp
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Ismail [SMTP:dastar@crl.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 1997 6:06 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: Encryptor Board...
>
> On Sun, 29 Jun 1997, Larry Anderson & Diane Hare wrote:
>
> > > the Encryptor, Jones Futura Corporation, Model ENC 100-1
>
> > > California Computer Systems, Model 2832 [has this big, black 3"x3"
> square
> > > and 3/8" thick block of resin on it, have no idea what it's
> hiding]
>
> NOTE: The description above is of two, separate cards.
>
> > I was reading in the Atari Game Systems FAQ that the 7800 carts are
> > encrypted with a special encryption and only those encrypted games
> get
> > access to the 7800's advanced video resources (otherwise it just
> gets
> > 2600 resources)... This was a measure by Atari to make sure to get
> a
> > share of the profits from 3rd party game developers. There could be
> a
> > slight possibility this is an encryption unit for the 7800 game
> > system...
>
> Hmmm. Interesting hypothesis. However, these boards are circa 1983,
> while the 7800 is circa 1986 or something.
>
> I'll go repost a request for info on the atari newsgroups.
>
>
> Sam
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete,
> Writer, Jackass
> I was reading in the Atari Game Systems FAQ that the 7800 carts are
> encrypted with a special encryption and only those encrypted games get
> access to the 7800's advanced video resources (otherwise it just gets
> 2600 resources)... This was a measure by Atari to make sure to get a
> share of the profits from 3rd party game developers. There could be a
> slight possibility this is an encryption unit for the 7800 game
> system...
>
> Currently no one knows (or is saying they know) how to encrypt 7800
> carts.
>
> Larry Anderson
>
> We've reverse enginnered the encryption. I forget the specifics: It
> was some sort of Public + Private key deal. The key size was 120
> *bytes* Not all of a cartridge needs to be encrypted (as little as
> 4K can be encrypted). Massive overkill for the time. No one has
> reported finding the keys yet. Probably never will.
>
> -Mp
The name of the book was something like that, I'll have to dig it up..
-Mp
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cord Coslor [SMTP:coslor@pscosf.peru.edu]
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 1997 10:11 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: RE: which month?
>
> What was the name of that book? Wasn't it something about a mouse?
> Like,
> To Catch a Mouse, Make a Noise Like A Cheese?
>
> Curious to know.
>
> Thanks,
>
> CORD
>
> //*===================================================================
> ==++
> || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru,
> NE ||
> || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu
> 68421-0308 ||
> || Classic computer software and hardware collector
> ||
> || Autograph collector
> ||
> ++====================================================================
> =*//
>
>
> On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, Matt Pritchard wrote:
>
> > I have a book about marketing, written by a Tandy VP which has a
> large
> > chapter on the birh of the TRS-80. He mentioned the day of the
> first
> > produced unit, (sept 15th I think) and game totals for the first
> months
> > or two (It seemed they only managed 3 computer a day for the first
> week
> > or two).
> > -Mp
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bwit(a)pobox.com [SMTP:bwit@pobox.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, June 27, 1997 11:51 AM
> > > To: 'classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu'
> > > Subject: RE: which month?
> > >
> > >
> > > IIRC the TRS-80 was introduced in September 1977.
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > From: e.tedeschi
> > > Sent: Friday, June 27, 1997 7:39 AM
> > > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> > > Subject: which month?
> > >
> > > I wonder if anybody here has the *exact* months of introduction
> > > of the
> > > three first *real* home computers introduced in 1977:
> > >
> > > a) the Apple II
> > > b) the Tandy TRS-80
> > > c) the Commodore Pet
> > >
> > > I need them for a book on collecting home computers I am
> > > researching
> > > for.
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > > enrico
> > > --
> > > ================================================================
> > > Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K.
> > > tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile
> > > website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e..tedeschi>
> > > ================================================================
> > > visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm>
> > >
> > >
> >
OK. I've been away this weekend for the funeral of my
grandfather who passed away last week. I was thrilled
to come back and find my mailbox filled with threads
dealing with personal disputes (much was thankfully
kept off the list). I cannot continue to run this list
if I have to constantly mediate situations in which
adults are acting childishly. Therefore I am instituting
the 1 warning rule:
If you post something insulting/immature/inflammatory and
I receive a complaint you will receive a warning. If you
then do so again within a months time I will eject you.
Please do not follow up on this message to the list. If
you need to follow up send me personal mail. If you have
important comments regarding this rule that you feel I am
censoring send me a copy of the message and I will make it
available to list members. If you follow up to this to
the list regarding its unfairness consider that your
warning for this month.
----------------------------------------------------
Bill Whitson - Classic Computers ListOp
bill(a)booster.u.washinton.edu or bcw(a)u.washington.edu
http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw
PS. I _really_ did not want to have to do this.
