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OK, I have a few small(1/2 ton...) problems...
I broke my floppy drive! What size belt(IBM PN 2305616) does the 4965
drive use? And what material is the front cover? Seems that the cover for
the floppy drive uses molded tabs instead of those nice metal snaps. Has
anyone ever tried adding those snaps? I might do that... But meanwhile, I
either need a replacement cover or glue it together. Would normal
superglue work? OK, on to the floppy drive... Seems that after 15-20
years, floppy drives(among other things) like to break down. This time the
belt was rather brittle, and it snapped when I tried to remove it. I'm
expecting the same thing when I dig around in the hard drives.
OK, on to the next question... I have a total of five hard drives(one 4963
and four 4967), and one of the 4967's was setup as the primary IPL drive.
Problem is I don't know which one it is and have no way of figuring that
out(at least until I get everything else running right). I have two
floppies labeled as IPL... There is a set of two disks, the first says
"EDL Compile System, Insert in Drive 1 and IPL" and the other says "EDL
Compile System, Insert in Drive 2". What exactly are they? And the other
disk just says "IPL" with nothing else on the label. And then there is the
possibility that they are blank disks...
BTW, I'm working on a page for my Series/1 on my Tripod web site, it
should be up by the end of the week(assuming I can find my QuickCam by
then).
TIA
-JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.htmlhttp://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/
> > Anyway, I hooked a terminal up to it and lo-and-behold, a prompt. Now, I've
> > never owned a PDP-11, so be gentile, here. How do I get it to run a command
> > shell? I have installed two RK05 drives, the 0: drive has a {supposedly
> > good} RT-11. Upon boot, I get the following on the terminal:
> >
> > 000000 170002 170002 165360
> > $
> >
> > I'm assuming that the "$" prompt is the monitor prompt. It seems to only
> > accept two-letter commands before performing an auto-carriage-return. The
> > "165360" is also on the front panel display.
>
> OK... Assuming all your hardware is working and at the standard addresses
> (it will be, unless somebody has messed about with it), try the following.
>
> 1) Turn on the machine, drives, terminal
> 2) Put a good boot pack in drive 0. Flip the load/run switch on the drive
> to run. The disk should start spinning, and after a minute or so the
> heads should load. The READY and ONCYL lamps should light. Keep a finger on
> the load/run switch and an ear to the drive. If you get unpleasant noises
> when the heads load, suggesting a partial headcrash (the sound has been
> described as a cat being fed backwards through a lawnmower!), then flip to
> LOAD at once and your heads may still be useable.
> 3) Type DK <CR> (or DK0 <CR>). It MUST be in upper case. The RD and WR
> lamps on the drive should flash a bit, and the machine will boot. If it
> doesn't do anything, then either you don't have the RK05 boot ROM in
> the system, or you have some hardware problem.
Rich, you don't say what flavour of PDP-11 you've got, but I have vague
memories of a '44. Certainly your description of behaviour sounds like
the '44 console program (which runs on an Intel microprocessor somewhere
in there.
If this is the case, I think Tony's description may be incomplete. The
'44 has a lever switch on the front panel marked something like HALT -
RUN - BOOT. You can try booting by toggling this to the BOOT position
and releasing it. Otherwise leave it in the RUN position and type:
B DK0
I suppose I'd better check this in the manual when I get home tonight -
If I'm wrong, Tony will never let me live it down...
Philip.
<Err, 'PDP11' covers a whole lot of machines from something like an SBC2
<in a BA11-V (about the size off 2 modern notebooks stacked on top of ea
<other) to a PDP11/70 in a number of 6' racks. There's no 'average'
<machine IMHO
No to mention the PDT series and PRO350/380 series also a s100 board by
marinechip systems.
<There's a whole lot of OS's. Among them are :
<RT11 (single user, a little like CP/M)
RT-11 had four monitors, SJ/single job, FB/forground background,
XM/extended memory and a BM/batch monitor. Later versions (v5.5 or so)
have networking hooks for DECnet, lat and other services.
I run RT-11 on a:
BDV-11 (11/23A)
BA11S (11/23B)
BA11N (J11)
PDT11/130
Mongo (a dual by 12 slot rack with 11/23A, 1mb ram, DLV11j,
BDV11b rom(boot), H780 power)
<RSX-11 (many varients - the forerunner of VMS in many ways)
RSX-11 was the forerunner of VMS. It's realtime capable, multitasking
and can support timsharing as well. DECnet was supported for either
DDCMP or Eithernet networking.
POS
POS was a single user version of RSX-11 with a GUI interface for the
PRO300 series. It supported a Phone management system, large
format videodisk and DECnet via serial or Eithernet.
<DOS-11 (one user at a time, single tasking?)
<Tripos (Cambidge University's locally-written portable OS)
<Fuzzball (An OS with TCP/IP networking, using many utilities from RT11
<TSX-11 (multi-user OS built on top of RT11)
<Unix (certainly v5, v6, v7 and some BSD's ran on PDP11's)
V7 was supported on the MicroPDP-11 using the J11 (has I&D space) cpu.
<Xenix ? (I've heard rumours of a PDP11 port)
There was also Venix (I have that on a pro350).
<UCSD p-system
Learned Pascal using that on an H-11 varient.
<RSTS/E (never used it, so can't say what it's like)
Resource sharing, timesharing looks like rsx, rt or basic depending on
the monitor running. I have RSTS on DU0: of my system and RT-11 on DU1:
Later versions of RSTS support DECnet networking.
<XXDP+ (diagnostic OS)
Realllllly slooowwww.
Also CTS-300/rt-11 Commercial operating system supporting DIbol which
was a sorta cobol.
DSM-11 a database system with MUMPS as the language
There as CAPS a cassette OS for the TU60 dectape.
Micropower Pascal (host is RT) target is OS less and can be what ever
the applications is.
<There were also some stand-alone programs that didn't need an OS,
<including an assembler and Basic from DEC (which loaded from paper tape
<FIG-forth, a couple of other Forths, etc.
IOX, not an OS but an IO excutive for building custom systems.
Allison
Loads more docs from Knox! Vax/PDP stuff, and some PDP-8 printsets.
I also saw DEC SYSTEM-TEN on some books. A CP/M diskset (Not sure what for), a few magtapes, and some module.
What's an M840? I thought is was the CR04 card, am I wrong?
I have't looked thru it all yet, more later.
.
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On Mon, 29 Dec 1997 23:19:59 -0800 (PST), Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com>
wrote:
>On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Richard A. Cini wrote:
>> Anyway, I hooked a terminal up to it and lo-and-behold, a prompt. Now,
I've
>> never owned a PDP-11, so be gentile, here. How do I get it to run a
command
>What's wrong with being Jewish in this situation? Are they any less
>capable of helping you with your PDP-11?
>The JDL will certainly hear about this! :)
>Sam Alternate e-mail:
dastar(a)siconic.com
Maybe I'm just slow, but I don't get it...Oh, DOOOOH! I get it now. You
know, I never run spell-checkers on my e-mail, Maybe I should start! Jewish
PDP-11 responses are welcome! :)
Rich Cini/WUGNET
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MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
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Hi -- perhaps you can help me! I am looking for a working Mattel
Electronic Football game. Do you have any advice for me?
I'm sending this from work, but would appreciate it if you could respond
to my home e-mail -- farrell7(a)swbell.net
Thanks and happy new year!
Well, the electrician came today to upgrade my service to 200A, and laughed
when I told him that the thing that prompted me was that I got this "large,
old computer." He couldn't believe that a "residential" computer draws 30A
startup and 15A running. The sound of it amazes me, too.
Anyway, I hooked a terminal up to it and lo-and-behold, a prompt. Now, I've
never owned a PDP-11, so be gentile, here. How do I get it to run a command
shell? I have installed two RK05 drives, the 0: drive has a {supposedly
good} RT-11. Upon boot, I get the following on the terminal:
000000 170002 170002 165360
$
I'm assuming that the "$" prompt is the monitor prompt. It seems to only
accept two-letter commands before performing an auto-carriage-return. The
"165360" is also on the front panel display.
Any clues would be appreciated. I'd like to get this thing running by
the time I get back to work on 1/5. Happy New Year to all!
Rich Cini/WUGNET
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ClubWin! Charter Member (6)
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
============================================
I've used wd40 as a solvent for adhesive residue on both case plastic with
so-so results, and on the clear plastic LCD protective cover on a TRS-80
model 100 with great results. Didn't scratch the plastic one bit.
- John Higginbotham
- limbo.netpath.net
It seems the PDP-11 is the favorite machine on this group... I have never seen
one, so could someone tell me a few things.
a)Year
b)original price for average package
c)does it have an OS? What is it like?
d)what can the thing do?
In a message dated 97-12-29 20:03:49 EST, you write:
<< Well, the electrician came today to upgrade my service to 200A, and laughed
when I told him that the thing that prompted me was that I got this "large,
old computer." He couldn't believe that a "residential" computer draws 30A
startup and 15A running. The sound of it amazes me, too.
Anyway, I hooked a terminal up to it and lo-and-behold, a prompt. Now, I've
never owned a PDP-11, so be gentile, here. How do I get it to run a command
shell? I have installed two RK05 drives, the 0: drive has a {supposedly
good} RT-11. Upon boot, I get the following on the terminal:
000000 170002 170002 165360
$
I'm assuming that the "$" prompt is the monitor prompt. It seems to only
accept two-letter commands before performing an auto-carriage-return. The
"165360" is also on the front panel display.
Any clues would be appreciated. I'd like to get this thing running by
the time I get back to work on 1/5. Happy New Year to all!
Rich Cini/WUGNET
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ClubWin! Charter Member (6)
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
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While cleaning up piles of boxes over the holidays, I've unearthed a bunch
of PDP-11 documentation. Most of it is RSX stuff from the 80s, but I've
also got two copies of the 1978 RSX-11M System Logic Manual. Some of the
materials are from various training classes I took during my career with
Digital.
Also uncovered are assorted DECUS publications from the 80s.
As a certified pack rat, I hate to throw this stuff away, so I'm offering
it to anyone who will pay the postage from the Chicago area to wherever in
the world you are.
If you're interested in any or all of this stash, send me e-mail before
January 9th. I'll see what I can do about inventorying the 10 cubic feet
of assorted binders between now and then.
Bob Kaplow
16 bit Paleontologist - emeritus
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