At 10:11 PM 10/13/97 +0000, you wrote:
>OK, even if it is the second (third, etc.) most sold computer in the
>world it is still one of the most popular ever produced and it does not
>excuse the complete lack of interest that it gets in the States. USA is
There is no excuse needed. People buy/use/collect what they know. Here in
the US, we know about C64's and such. People in the states don't collect
british coinage much either. They collect what they know.
Thanks to the net, however, we can find out more about other
computers/countries easily.
By all means, tell us about Spectrums, and why we should think they're
better than commodores. Sinclair certainly didn't bother to tell us about
them. In exchange, we'll be happy to tell you about US computers you may
not have heard of.
>NOT the centre of the world, you know. Spectrum clones have been
Actually, for me anyway, it is. I live here.
(and, btw, probably for the VCF, which, coincidentally, is taking place in
the US.)
(But next year, I'll probably be travelling to the UK for Billing '98 (the
50th) when I'll pick up some Sinclairs!)
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
I have an EETO computer for which I am looking for the jumper settings
and CMOS setup entry procedure.
The system has the following specs for the motherboard:
PCB is marked
HYUNDAI SUPER 16TE SYSTEM BOARD
ASSY E4008005701 REV PCB ICT 2
Has 6 jumper links at front left of motherboard
Has five 8 bit slots
Has onboard battery
It boots up with Patterson Labs Basic I/O System Version 2.00Ia
Copyrighted 1986,87
I'm not sure what else is needed to properly identify this motherboard.
Hope you can point me to some info.
Thanks,
Brendan
I have a short 8-bit PC card labeled "5250 EMULATOR". It has a big
1.5" X 1.5" chip labeled 02F8059ESD, a smaller .5" X .5" chip labeled
7378945ESD, a 6264 8KB SRAM, 5 misc. chips, a 32MHZ xtal, assorted
discrete components a 8-position DIP switch, and a DB-15M connector
on the back.
The $64.00 question: What is it?
_______________
Barry Peterson bm_pete(a)ix.netcom.com
Husband to Diane, Father to Doug,
Grandfather to Zoe and Tegan.
> Hello,
> I've got an old Altair i bought back in '76 as a kit. I was using it
up
> 'till about '86 when I decided to get a "better" system. This past year i
> decided to restore it, but have misplaced my documentation. Does anyone
> have the old MITS documentation, or know where it can be obtained? thanks
> in advance
> Henry Yarborough
To help with questions I've asked, here's some info the Hard Drive Bible
book.
-----
It says July, 1996. It seems to cover older drives, up to the first one
and two gig drives. in the "hard drive peramters" chapters for example:
Alps America: 8 entries from 10 to 212 MB,
Ampex: 4 entries, 5, 10, 15 , and 20 mb,
Areal tech: 6 entries, 62 to 136mb (all IDE 2.5" notebook drives)
..
BASF: 5 entires, 23, 15, 8, 10, 21mb (all MFM)
etc...
It's a bit PC centric.
Major chapters:
History of Disk Drives
Interface Standards
PRML tehcnology
Enhanced IDE
SCSI command reference
What is SCSI-3?
SCA Hot plugs
PCI interface
Choosing a Hard Drive and Controller
Controller Setup and Jumpering
Drive Setup and Jumpering
Drive Cabling
Low level Formatting
DOS partitioning
Macintosh Drive Installation
Windows Drive Format
Win95 Disk Format
Novell Compsurf
Hardware Compatibility Problems
Common Installation Problems
Troubleshooting
Universal IDE parameters
Hard Drive List
Fine Tuning
Hard Drive Parameters (by manufacturer)
Controller Information (by manufacturer)
Connector Pinouts
Drive Jumpers
CD-ROM
Floppy Drives
Optical Disk Drive Technology
Optical Jukeboxes
Optical Drive Specifications
Tape Drives
CSC benchmark tests
Software
System Notes
Industry Phone List
BBS Numbers
Directory
Glossary
Index
-Matt Pritchard
Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist
Just making public a catalog of what reference material you have would
be great for someone searching. Meybe we need to start a classic
documentation server or something like that.
-Matt Pritchard
Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Shoppa [SMTP:shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca]
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 3:10 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition
>
> > Well, they do say that they solicit input from their readers on what
> to
> > add for the next edition. (for instance they added the SCSI command
> set
> > reference section in this edition). If it doesn't document 90% of
> the
> > drives you use regularly, and those drive are not new to the last 5
> > years (hey, this is the _classic_ computer mailing list) then how
> about
> > doing one of two things:
> >
> > (1) let them know what they are missing and give constructive advice
> on
> > how to make the 9th edition better, or
>
> This seems unlikely, as the number of PC-clone boxes with SMD drives
> on them can probably be counted on one hand. PC-clone SMD controllers
> are exceedingly rare.
>
> > (2) Start your own reference information project
>
> Not a bad idea. I've got complete tech manuals for things like
> Fujitsu
> 2322's, 2333's, and Eagles (M2351A's) and Super Eagles (M2361A's), but
> they're about 1000 pages each.
>
> Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)
I'll take a couple, please, if you're taking orders. I saw them at $30,
but all I need are jumper settings sections.
EZDrive (which comes with WD Hard Drives) is a good reference, has jumper
settings and other neat stuff.
Tell me how much you want for your time and shipping, and I'll send you a
check. Thanks for offering.
Manney(a)nwohio.com
-----Original Message-----
From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Manney <Manney>
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 1997 6:08 PM
Subject: Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition
>I picked up a copy of this book, as it seems quite handy. It has lots
>of info on older, long since discontinued drives.
>
>The local MicroCenter here in Dallas has a giant pile of them for
>something like $5 each; it says list $49.99 so this may be a bargain.
>If there is any interest, I could pick up a few to send elsewhere.
>
>-Matt Pritchard
>Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist
>
>
>
>
In case someone on that side of the pond is interested...
In alt.folklore.computers, slavins(a)hearsay.demon.co.uk.NOJUNK (Simon
Slavin) wrote:
>For a few days I'll hold on to four BBC model Bs which are about to
>be thrown away by a local school. I don't guarentee they all work
>(though they did last time they were turned on) and you'll have to
>arrange pickup from the North London area.
>Simon.
>--
>Simon Slavin -- Computer Contractor. | The mind abhors a vacuum. Without
> http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk | facts, they'll fill their heads with
>Check email address for spam-guard. | fantasies.
>Junk email not welcome at this site. | -- Jonathan Kellerman: _Time Bomb_
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Well, they do say that they solicit input from their readers on what to
add for the next edition. (for instance they added the SCSI command set
reference section in this edition). If it doesn't document 90% of the
drives you use regularly, and those drive are not new to the last 5
years (hey, this is the _classic_ computer mailing list) then how about
doing one of two things:
(1) let them know what they are missing and give constructive advice on
how to make the 9th edition better, or
(2) Start your own reference information project
Either way, we need to preserve the knowledge.
-Matt Pritchard
Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Shoppa [SMTP:shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca]
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 11:34 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition
>
> > The Hard drive Bible?...Oh it strikes me in my brain...
> >
> > Do you mean that book that is filled with hard drives from A to Z
> > with FULL doc on each for jumpers than what most others shown?
>
> Actually, the quality of information in the editions I've seen is
> quite
> a hodgepodge. And it has *no* documentation on 90% of the drives that
> I use regularly. So I look at it with a good amount of disdain, as it
> doesn't come close to doing what the cover claims. (But that's true
> with many things in life... and even more true of computers
> recently!)
>
> > I have a Micropolis scsi hd needing proper setting up and LLF'ed as
> > it's not set up right previously. Right now it's resisting anything
>
> > unless there is a proper way.
> >
> > model 1684-7. It's 340MB regular SCSI.
>
> Have you - say - tried contacting Micropolis?
>
> ftp://techsupport.micropolis.com/pub/files/SPECS/1680spec.txt is
> what you want.
>
> > And I am looking for how to make custom terminator resistor array.
>
> I assume you're referring to RN9, a 20-pin 220/330 network? I've
> always gotten them in the past by calling Micropolis at
> 1-818-709-3325.
> But if you want to make your own, and have access to a 20-pin header,
> it's pretty simple:
>
> Pin 10 is ground, Pin 20 is Vcc, and pins 1-9 and 11-19 consist
> of a 220 ohm resistor to Vcc and a 330 ohm resistor to ground.
>
> Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)
>If people are interested in this class of machines, I've got 4
>VS2000's currently being used as doorstops.
[Snip]
> (near Vancouver)
If only I could drive there from the UK to fetch them :-)
Regards
Pete
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