Tony Duell wrote:
> You mean I'm not the olnly classiccmp member to have a space problem...
No. Typical house sizes here in the UK mean that all of us UK members have
it. I imagine many of the US crowd have the same problem, too. In
continental Europe, typical house sizes are larger, but most people live in
apartments, so goodness knows what they do!
> Seriously, other than moving (or collecting pocket calculators), is there
> a cure to having more computers than floorspace for them?
If it's just floorspace you're worried about, you can sit them on
shelves, furniture, each other... :-) But I've seen your house, so I
know your problem is worse than mine, and I envy you your tolerant
parents...
The solution is for several people in the same area to club together and
buy a warehouse, derelict factory or ex-secret wartime government
research base. Even an aircraft hangar might do, although the design
parameters are not optimal for computer storage. Any takers? (Central
or SW England for me, London for Tony)
> size - from memory, the standard ones are :
>
> DE9 (PC serial port, Atari joystick, etc)
> DA15 (Ethernet AUI, PC games port, etc) -- The one we're talking about
> DB25 (Standard RS232, PC printer port, etc)
> DC37 (PC external disk port, Canon CX engine interface, etc)
> DD50 (Sun SCSI port, etc)
>
> The high-density ones are :
>
> DE15 (PC VGA monitor)
> DA?? (Never seen it)
> DB44 (Never seen it used, but it's in the catalogues)
> DC62 (PC expansion cabinet, etc)
That's what I thought. Any idea what the 19 pin one on some Macintoshes
is called?
Philip.
Doug,
A copy of NS* dos on media is not as desirable as on line. The reason for
this is I am debugging a suspected bad controller. In the past I've found
that bad NS controllers can accidently do uncommanded writes to the disk
rendering it useless. Also if thge media is DD the working SD controller
I have. I do have legal copies of 4.0, 5.0 and 5.2 but single density
only.
An online copy or a SD disk with a copy of the DD ns* works better for
debug. What I would do is to load the dos into EEprom so I can load it
and execute it quickly if the controller can't.
Allison
<I think I do. I will have to go through several boxes to find them. Give
<me a day or two to find them.
<
<Doug
<
<At 10:13 PM 10/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
<>
<>Is there anywhere on the net northstar* dos version 5.x for DD controllers
<>My archives only have the single density version.
<>
<>Allison
> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:10:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com>
> Subject: re: VINTAGE COMPUTER FESTIVAL Write-Ups
> For those who were doing write-ups for the Vintage Computer Festival
> exhibition, if you could start sending those over to me I would appreciate
> it.
> Formats I can accept include:
> Microsoft Word
> Microsoft Works
> WordPerfect 5/6
> ASCII
> Appleworks (hey, you never know)
> Please convert your document as is appropriate.
> I would like to start getting the write-ups in soon so I can start editing
> and formatting them. You can e-mail them to:
> dastar(a)wco.com
> ...in either uuencoded format or as an attachment (in the case of
> non-ASCII file formats) or as straight ASCII in the body of your message.
> THANKS!!
> Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
> =====================================================================
> Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
Um... I am formatting it myself, along with added scanned pictures
and the like, I could convert my two Claris Works documents (1.6 meg
and 884+k) to Microsoft Works but I don't think Microsoft works has a
"Draw Layer" (Kinda like a DTP program) which supports linked text
frames, etc. :/ I can mail you a set of what I've got when I'm back
home on Wednesday though.
Larry Anderson
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For those who were doing write-ups for the Vintage Computer Festival
exhibition, if you could start sending those over to me I would appreciate
it.
Formats I can accept include:
Microsoft Word
Microsoft Works
WordPerfect 5/6
ASCII
Appleworks (hey, you never know)
Please convert your document as is appropriate.
I would like to start getting the write-ups in soon so I can start editing
and formatting them. You can e-mail them to:
dastar(a)wco.com
...in either uuencoded format or as an attachment (in the case of
non-ASCII file formats) or as straight ASCII in the body of your message.
THANKS!!
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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Every XT I ever ran across (except for some Tandys) had switches on the
motherboard to control no. of floopies, coprocessor, amount of memory and
type of video adapter; therefore no CMOS.
The battery is probably for the real-time clock.
What won't it do? If you disconnect everything except one floppy, will it
boot up? (hard drive info is typically kept on the HDC).
manney(a)nwohio.com
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From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Manney <Manney>
Date: Friday, October 17, 1997 12:35 PM
Subject: EETO Computer
>I have an EETO computer for which I am looking for the jumper settings
>and CMOS setup entry procedure.
>The system has the following specs for the motherboard:
>
>PCB is marked
> HYUNDAI SUPER 16TE SYSTEM BOARD
>ASSY E4008005701 REV PCB ICT 2
>Has 6 jumper links at front left of motherboard
>Has five 8 bit slots
>Has onboard battery
>
>It boots up with Patterson Labs Basic I/O System Version 2.00Ia
>Copyrighted 1986,87
>
>I'm not sure what else is needed to properly identify this motherboard.
>
>Hope you can point me to some info.
>
>Thanks,
>Brendan
>
>
Found on Usenet. Anyone in the UK have a VAXen looking for a home? If
so, please contact this fellow directly.
Attachment follows.
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Give a good home to your VAX (or ALPHA):
http://multivac.jb.man.ac.uk:8000/helbig/vms/vax.txt
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Here is the exhibition list showing the people who have currently
volunteered to do informational write-ups for each system.
In case you missed the first request, I am asking for help in coming up
with an informational, one-page write-up that will be displayed next to
each computer in the exhibition at the Vintage Computer Festival. This
is so that the attendees can know what they are looking at. I am
re-posting the original message with an updated listing of who so far
is doing what. Many, many thanks to those who have already pledged their
support!!
Hello Fellow Classic Computer Collecting Nerds.
If you've checked out the Vintage Computer Festival web page then you
know that there will be an exhibition of over 100 computer systems as
part of the event.
Just having the computers without any accompanying literature would
probably leave a lot of attendees wondering what it was they were looking
at. Therefore, I would like to have a short, one-page write-up for each
machine on display giving summary information about the machine. I
figured there is probably no better resource for general and historical
information on old computers than this discussion group.
As you know, 100 computers is a lot. So I am asking for a favor from
anyone interested. I need write-ups done for the machines which will be
on display! Aside from my undying gratitude, anyone who contributes
write-ups will receive a free Vintage Computer Festival 1.0 t-shirt and a
free pass to the show either this year or for whatever year you will be
able to make it out (this WILL be an annual event).
A list of the systems on display will follow. If you would like to do some
write-ups for a particular system or series of systems, please e-mail me
and I will let you know if a write-up is required for that system.
The write-up should ideally include:
The company which created the computer
The founding year of the company
The year the company went out of business
The founder(s) of the company
What the company's main market was (ie. who was their customer?)
The year the computer was developed/released
How many were manufactured (if known)
What computer (if any) preceded this computer
What computer (if any) followed this computer
What operating system(s) could it run?
What language(s) if any were built-in or available for it?
What kinds of peripherals were available for this computer
What were the attributes of this computer
What processor did it use? How many bits was it?
How much memory did it come with standard? How much total memory
could it be expanded to?
What kind of bus architecture did it use (if any) or how could it be
expanded (if at all)? Did it have a carthridge slot?
What other computers was it compatible with (if any)?
What peripherals were specifically available for it (if any)?
Disk drives or other storage devices?
Printers?
Displays?
Other stuff like speech synthesizers, graphics tablets, etc.?
What (if any) graphics capabilities did it possess?
What was the resolution (of all graphics modes)?
How many colors were available?
Any special features of the graphics? Any special graphics hardware?
What (if any) sound capabilities did it possess?
How many voices did it support?
Any special features of the sound? Any special sound hardware?
What other significant attributes did it feature?
Again, it would be ideal to have all this information, but it is not
mandatory. I realize that some stuff is just a mystery. Hopefully
having Vintage Computer Festival's will clear up these mysteries by
getting the information flowing about old computers.
If you would like to contribute a write-up, please e-mail me with what
you want to contribute. Thanks!!!
(list to follow below)
MANUFACTURER PRODUCT MODEL WRITEUP
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Altos
Apple Computer Apple /// A3S2 S.Ismail
Apple Computer Apple //c A2S4100 S.Ismail
Apple Computer Apple IIe A2S2064 S.Ismail
Apple Computer Apple IIe A2S2128 S.Ismail
Apple Computer Apple ][ A2S0016 S.Ismail
Apple Computer Apple ][+ A2S1048 S.Ismail
Apple Computer Lisa 2
Apple Computer Macintosh Plus M0001A
Apple Computer Macintosh M0001
Atari Atari 1040ST 1040STF
Atari Atari 1200XL Home Computer 1200XL
Atari Atari 130XE 130XE
Atari Atari 400 Home Computer 400
Atari Atari 520ST 520ST
Atari Atari 600XL Home Computer 600XL
Atari Atari 800 800
Atari Atari 800XL 800XL
Atari Falcon 030
Callan Data Systems Unistar 300
Commodore Amiga A1000 B.Damage
Commodore Amiga A500 B.Damage
Commodore CBM 2001 Series PET 2001-32 L.Anders
Commodore Commodore 64 64 L.Anders
Commodore Commodore 64 Personal Compu 64C L.Anders
Commodore Commodore 128 128 L.Anders
Commodore Commodore Plus/4 Plus/4 L.Anders
Commodore PET 4016 L.Anders
Commodore PET 4032 L.Anders
Commodore PET 8032 L.Anders
Commodore VIC 20 Computer VIC 20 B.Damage
Compaq Portable
CompuPro 8/16
Computer Power & Light Compal 80 Minicomputer
Corona Data Systems M18P-2
Corvus Concept
Cromemco Z2 Computer System
Data General Data General One 2514A
Epson Geneva PX-8
Epson Portable Computer HX-20
Exidy Inc. Sorcerer Computer B.Damage
Fortune Systems Corporation 32:16
Forward Technologies Sun 1 Clone
GCE Vectrex
Heath H8
Heath Hero I
Hewlett-Packard Computer HP3000/37 F.McConn
Hewlett-Packard Computer HP85A F.McConn
Hewlett-Packard Computer HP86B F.McConn
Hewlett-Packard Portable HP110 F.McConn
Hewlett-Packard Portable Plus F.McConn
Hewlett-Packard Integral PC HP9000/207 F.McConn
Hewlett-Packard Workstation HP9000/520 F.McConn
Hewlett-Packard Computer HP9915 F.McConn
IBM 3270 Personal Computer 5271
IBM Personal Computer 5150
IMSAI Manufacturing Corporat IMSAI 8080 Microcomputer Sy
Interact Micro Video
Intertec Data Systems SuperBrain II
Kaypro Corporation Kaypro New 2
Macintosh 128
Mattel Electronics Aquarius 5931
Mindset Mindset
Morrow Designs MDT 60
Morrow Designs Pivot Portable
Non-Linear Systems, Inc. Kaypro II
North Star Computers Horizon A.Parent
OSI C4P MF
Olivetti M10
Osborne Computer Corporation Executive
Osborne Computer Corporation Osborne 1
Osborne Computer Corporation Osborne 3
Osborne Computer Corporation Vixen
PMC Inc. PMC 81
Processor Technology Corp. SOL 20
Quest Electronics Super Elf
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model I C.Coslor
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model III C.Coslor
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 100 R.Merch
Radio Shack TRS-80 64K Color Computer 2 26-3127B R.Merch
Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer 2 26-3027 R.Merch
Radio Shack TRS-80 Micro Color Computer MC-10 R.Merch
Radio Shack TRS-80 Micro Computer Syste 26-1006-1 R.Merch
Radio Shack TRS-80 PC-1
SWP Microcomputer Products ATR8000
SWTP 6800
SWTP 6809
Sanyo MBC-550 MBC-550
Sinclair ZX80 ZX80 H.Pufal
Sinclair ZX81 Personal Computer ZX81 H.Pufal
Sun Microsystems Workstation 2/50
Synertek VIM-1
Tandy TRS-80 Model 2000 26-5103
Tandy Tandy 1000EX 25-1050B
Tandy Tandy 100HX Personal Comput 25-1053A
Televideo TS1603
Texas Instruments 99/4A Computer PHC004A
Texas Instruments Silent 700 745 Portable
Timex Computer Corporation Timex-Sinclair 1000 M 330 H.Pufal
Timex Computer Corporation Timex-Sinclair 1500 H.Pufal
Toshiba T1000 PA7027U
Vector Graphics Inc. Vector 1
Victor Technologies, Inc. Victor 9000 412
Video Technology Ltd. Laser 50 C.Coslor
Visual Computer Inc. Commuter COMMUTER US
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If I wanted to get a hold of a european computer, 220v, 50hz PAL with RBG,
then?
1) would it work an an RGB monitor.
2) if the machine just used a poweradapter like 9v, like the old atari's is
the 50/60hz thing that critical?
Im looking into a Spectrum128, or Russian Scorpion.
What do you all think?
On 10/15/97 11:03:10 you wrote:
>
>If I wanted to get a hold of a european computer, 220v, 50hz PAL with RBG,
>then?
>
>1) would it work an an RGB monitor.
>
>2) if the machine just used a poweradapter like 9v, like the old atari's is
>the 50/60hz thing that critical?
>
>Im looking into a Spectrum128, or Russian Scorpion.
>
>What do you all think?
>
>
I can share my personal experience.... I have a Spectrum +2 here in the United States.
It works fine. For power I use a small 110/220 inverter available from places like
Jameco and JDR. That allows me to use the original power supply. The Spectrums
also can work off a standard 9 volt wall wart. Some models use over 1 amp so its more like a
wall brick. For video a normal RGB monitor like the Magnavox RGB-80 (Many Commodore versions
1084,1902,etc) works fine. If you are a Sinclair fan, the video pinout is exactly the same as
the Sinclair QL (8 pin din). The 50/60 Hz "thing" doesn't matter.
Please be aware there are very few Spectrums with RGB output. The +2 is one model. The
Spectrum 128 also is supposed to have RGB output but I have not seen one. I also have
seen regular Spectrums (48k and the Spectrum+) in use over here in the US. To do that
you need to convert the output to RGB. A product called the Spectrum RGB output module
by Adapt electronics does exactly that. Good luck finding one. Our local Sinclair group has one.
After a lot of investigation it was determined that power supply voltages have to be right on
the money for it to work. Another alternative is a DIY project that is posted on some Spectrum
web pages. Good luck with the schematic and documentation (all in German!). I'd be very
interested in your progress.
Don Walterman
dwalterm(a)ix.netcom.com
