10 Apr
2012
10 Apr
'12
9:46 a.m.
The Terminals Wiki is open for public browsing!
<http://terminals.classiccmp.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page>
This is a joint project between myself (username Legalize),
Jason T (username Silent700) and Ian Primus (username Sark).
I am the wiki administrator.
My intention was to create a single reference site for everything we
can find about terminals.
Right now, account creation is by request only, but I will open it up
for more public editing gradually over time (I am mostly concerned
about spambots, I don't want this wiki to become a spam ghetto like so
many others).
I'm trying to make this an authoritative source, not just a hodge-podge
of unsubstantiated opinions. To that end, everything I've put into
the wiki so far is sourced from technical documentation (linked to
manx and bitsavers and other sources) or from periodicals on Google
books like Computerworld, InfoWorld, Network World, PC Mag, etc.
Obviously there is tons more information that could be added and that
will happen over time, but there is enough there now to be useful in
looking up weird terminals that you might encounter in the wild.
One nice thing about Google books is that they index the advertising
as much as they index the articles. I'm not sure that traditional
search databases like Nexus/Lexus do that. It has meant that I have
been able to find lots of information on terminals through
advertising, including some technical specifications and photos.
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10 Apr
10:27 a.m.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
The Terminals Wiki is open for public browsing!
<http://terminals.classiccmp.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page>
Bookmarked! Congratz on opening it!
re,
Sander
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10:58 a.m.
Interesting that one of your partners goes by Silent700
but there are no Texas Instruments terminals in your wiki
yet. If you're interested, I'm going to be bringing one
of the last variants of the 700 to VCF East next month to
use as a printing terminal on my SWTPc.
Bill S.
11:35 a.m.
From: "Richard" <legalize at xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:20 PM
To: "cctalk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: The Terminals Wiki
In article <06fa01cd1743$79aea9f0$6d0bfdd0$@sudbrink at verizon.net>,
"Bill Sudbrink" <wh.sudbrink at verizon.net> writes:
I had a quick look ... just stumbled on the C-Itoh page.
I saw that you do not have a picture of the C-Itoh 101 (VT101 clone).
IIRC, I have one complete in nice shape (in the previous not yet sold home).
Next time I'm there I will take it along and make a few pictures for your
site.
greetz,
- Henk.
Interesting that one of your partners goes by
Silent700
but there are no Texas Instruments terminals in your wiki
yet.
Yes, isn't that interesting?
I'll let him defend himself on that point. :-)
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12:10 p.m.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Henk Gooijen <henk.gooijen at hotmail.com> wrote:
I had a quick look ... just stumbled on the C-Itoh
page.
I saw that you do not have a picture of the C-Itoh 101 (VT101 clone).
IIRC, I have one complete in nice shape (in the previous not yet sold home).
Next time I'm there I will take it along and make a few pictures for your
site.
I also have a few C-Itohs - models 101 and 101e. The 101 looks like a
VT100, the 101e reminds me of a Wyse-50 with softer edges.
We always liked those at work - we had a lot of them and a lot of real
DEC terminals.
One mildly confusing thing was that they used a 1/4" jack for the
keyboard, like a VT100, but was not compatible. Occasionally, users
would move terminals around and get keyboards mixed up and call us
because their terminal was "dead".
Solid clones, though.
-ethan
12:46 p.m.
On 10 April 2012 20:10, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote
I also have a few C-Itohs - models 101 and 101e. ?The
101 looks like a
VT100, the 101e reminds me of a Wyse-50 with softer edges.
Ah, Wyse terminals... I spent many happy years in the '90s programming
at a Wyse 120.... I still had a couple until a few years ago, when I
had to get rid of them to make space. I've still got a keyboard from
maybe a WY-30 in a junk box (anybody need one?) and I've got the
cardboard box that a WY-50 once came in (albeit filled with kids toy
trains..) I might have still a manual for a '120 somewhere, too..
Rob
1:13 p.m.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Rob <robert at irrelevant.com> wrote:
Ah, Wyse terminals... I spent many happy years in the
'90s programming
at a Wyse 120.... I still had a couple until a few years ago, when I
had to get rid of them to make space. I've still got a keyboard from
maybe a WY-30 in a junk box (anybody need one?) and I've got the
cardboard box that a WY-50 once came in (albeit filled with kids toy
trains..) ? ?I might have still a manual for a '120 somewhere, too..
ISTR that Wyse terminals were especially common in places I visited
that were primarily non-DEC UNIX shops. I'm sure price had a lot to
do with it. DEC terminals were pretty expensive (ISTR a price point
for a VT100 or VT102 around $1600 in the early 1980s). I think we had
a mix of DEC and C-Itoh because of the cost of growing a company from
a handful to nearly 100... nobody wanted to spend over $100K on
terminals (especially right after spending $100K on the VAX-11/750).
-ethan
1:18 p.m.
In article <BAY155-ds68C965692B4515689F44A86340 at phx.gbl>,
"Henk Gooijen" <henk.gooijen at hotmail.com> writes:
I had a quick look ... just stumbled on the C-Itoh
page.
I saw that you do not have a picture of the C-Itoh 101 (VT101 clone).
IIRC, I have one complete in nice shape (in the previous not yet sold home).
Next time I'm there I will take it along and make a few pictures for your
site.
Sweet! I have a CIT-101 in my collection, but alas no keyboard and
mine's a little dingy.
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12:12 p.m.
On 10 April 2012 17:46, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
The Terminals Wiki is open for public browsing!
<http://terminals.classiccmp.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page>
Hmm.
Do viewdata terminals count? I've got a reasonable collection, and
none feature in here :-)
(A rough list of what I have is at the temporary URL
http://v2b.viewdata.org.uk/doku.php/hardware/Introduction )
Rob.
1:27 p.m.
In article <CAApARts1Qx1i4zrMb15W+QBz-3gJ=0HaCPNFu5h4hbjBhTez0g at mail.gmail.com>,
Rob <robert at irrelevant.com> writes:
Do viewdata terminals count?
We're trying to be inclusive here, so yes. From googling around, it
looks like viewdata was a service and not a terminal manufacturer?
I've got a reasonable collection, and
none feature in here :-)
(A rough list of what I have is at the temporary URL
http://v2b.viewdata.org.uk/doku.php/hardware/Introduction )
Always good to have more info.
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2:45 p.m.
On 10 April 2012 21:27, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
Indeed - I really need to finish the conversion to a Wiki of my site,
and get that all live, then I can start adding info there again..
Rob.
In article <CAApARts1Qx1i4zrMb15W+QBz-3gJ=0HaCPNFu5h4hbjBhTez0g at
mail.gmail.com>,
? ?Rob <robert at irrelevant.com> writes:
More of a protocol; Prestel was the initial and dominant service in
the UK, Bildschirmtext in Germany, Viatel in Auatralia, etc. Minitel
was the french version, using a later version of the protocol alowing
for, among other things, higher resolution graphics.
Initially it was envisaged as an add-on to domestic television sets,
as an alternative to broadcast teletext, so early examples (late
1970s) *were* TV sets, with extra boards in them, eg the Philips G11.
Then we quickly got into big plinths, on which a standard or modified
TV stood (very early 1980s). Soon though the market split between
proper fully integrated terminals aimed at business use, e.g. models
by Sony and Philips, plug-into-your-TV systems, as typified by the
huge range Tandata made, and home computers and early PCs with a modem
and suitable software.
Do viewdata terminals count?
We're trying to be inclusive here, so yes. ?From googling around, it
looks like viewdata was a service and not a terminal manufacturer? (A rough list
of what I have is at the temporary URL
http://v2b.viewdata.org.uk/doku.php/hardware/Introduction )
Always good to have more info.
4:03 p.m.
In article <CAApARttsHJWJwy7Mbt2ODGfpCcwRtLLp47NgTdph1OEaQzHKTw at mail.gmail.com>,
Rob <robert at irrelevant.com> writes:
Ah. I used a minitel terminal in 1986. Yes, these standalone terminals
would definitely count. The ones integrated with a TV are probably
getting too far afield, though.
On 10 April 2012 21:27, Richard <legalize at
xmission.com> wrote:
>
> In article <CAApARts1Qx1i4zrMb15W+QBz-3gJ=0HaCPNFu5h4hbjBhTez0g at mail.gmail.
com>,
Rob
<robert at irrelevant.com> writes:
More of a protocol; Prestel was the initial and dominant service in
the UK, Bildschirmtext in Germany, Viatel in Auatralia, etc. Minitel
was the french version, using a later version of the protocol alowing
for, among other things, higher resolution graphics. Do viewdata terminals count?
We're trying to be inclusive here, so yes. From googling around, it
looks like viewdata was a service and not a terminal manufacturer? Indeed - I really need to finish the conversion to a
Wiki of my site,
and get that all live, then I can start adding info there again..
I am using MediaWiki and I found it to have some quirks; email me if
you want to share experiences on that.
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5:17 p.m.
On 2012 Apr 10, at 4:03 PM, Richard wrote:
In article
<CAApARttsHJWJwy7Mbt2ODGfpCcwRtLLp47NgTdph1OEaQzHKTw at mail.gmail.com>,
Rob <robert at irrelevant.com> writes:
And Telidon in Canada.
On 10 April 2012 21:27, Richard <legalize at
xmission.com> wrote:
> In article <CAApARts1Qx1i4zrMb15W
> +QBz-3gJ=0HaCPNFu5h4hbjBhTez0g at mail.gmail.
com>,
Rob
<robert at irrelevant.com> writes:
More of a protocol; Prestel was the initial and dominant service in
the UK, Bildschirmtext in Germany, Viatel in Auatralia, etc. Minitel
was the french version, using a later version of the protocol alowing
for, among other things, higher resolution graphics. Do viewdata terminals count?
We're trying to be inclusive here, so yes. From googling around, it
looks like viewdata was a service and not a terminal manufacturer? Ah. I used a minitel terminal in 1986. Yes, these
standalone
terminals
would definitely count. The ones integrated with a TV are probably
getting too far afield, though.
There is a standalone (integrated colour monitor) Telidon terminal
(ca. 1980) in the back store of the radio museum here, likely in
danger of being dumpstered.
It's missing the detached keyboard unfortunately, I think it was a
small-pin-count connector (perhaps RJ-something) so it should be some
serial-style interface.
6:28 p.m.
In article <A1DA0710-CC13-4E6A-94B1-1EFE4F6891DC at cs.ubc.ca>,
Brent Hilpert <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca> writes:
There is a standalone (integrated colour monitor)
Telidon terminal
(ca. 1980) in the back store of the radio museum here, likely in
danger of being dumpstered.
I'd be willing to rescue that if they're just gonna dumpster it.
It's missing the detached keyboard unfortunately,
I think it was a
small-pin-count connector (perhaps RJ-something) so it should be some
serial-style interface.
There was also a tricky way of doing the keyswitch scanning using a
small number of wires, eliminating the need for a microprocessor in
the keyboard. This technique was used on the HP 2392A terminal as
described in "A Reliable, Low-Cost Keyboard Interface" on pg. 7 of
<http://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/pdfs/IssuePDFs/1985-04.pdf>
This uses a 5-wire interface: power, ground, increment, reset and key
state. It's pretty slick.
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12:09 p.m.
On 2012 Apr 10, at 6:28 PM, Richard wrote:
In article <A1DA0710-CC13-4E6A-94B1-1EFE4F6891DC at
cs.ubc.ca>,
Brent Hilpert <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca> writes:
In theory, some other Canadian museum/org would hold onto it as a bit
of national technology history .. but I can't say that is likely.
I'll keep you in mind for a destination.
Even without the keyboard it should be useable as a display terminal
to show what a teletext protocol and display were like. I should try
finding the teletext/Telidon protocol and see if I can feed it
something to display.
There is a standalone (integrated colour monitor)
Telidon terminal
(ca. 1980) in the back store of the radio museum here, likely in
danger of being dumpstered.
I'd be willing to rescue that if they're just gonna dumpster it. It's
missing the detached keyboard unfortunately, I think it was a
small-pin-count connector (perhaps RJ-something) so it should be some
serial-style interface.
There was also a tricky way of doing the keyswitch scanning using a
small number of wires, eliminating the need for a microprocessor in
the keyboard. This technique was used on the HP 2392A terminal as
described in "A Reliable, Low-Cost Keyboard Interface" on pg. 7 of
<http://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/pdfs/IssuePDFs/1985-04.pdf>
This uses a 5-wire interface: power, ground, increment, reset and key
state. It's pretty slick. 
10 Apr
10 Apr
1:28 p.m.
On 04/10/2012 11:46 AM, Richard wrote:
The Terminals Wiki is open for public browsing!
<http://terminals.classiccmp.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page>
This is a joint project between myself (username Legalize),
Jason T (username Silent700) and Ian Primus (username Sark).
I am the wiki administrator.
My intention was to create a single reference site for everything we
can find about terminals.
Neat... got me all nostalgic for the NCD19's that were scattered around all
over the place at uni. I loved those things - the displays were so crisp on
them.
Oh, we also had quite a number of TA Alphatronic and BBC micro machines
which had long since become too long in the tooth for general-purpose
computing, but for which someone 'local' had written custom firmware to
turn them into dedicated text-mode terminals - I'm not sure how common that
practice was amongst educational establishments. The Alpha's keyboard was
truly dreadful to type on, but the BBC's wasn't too bad.
cheers
Jules
2:20 p.m.
Neat... got me all nostalgic for the NCD19's that
were scattered
around all over the place at uni. I loved those things - the
displays were so crisp on them.
Single-colour tubes are like that. No shadow mask means, potentially
at least, very crisp precise display - dependent only on the focus
precision, really.
I've got one? two? of those. Some one of these decades I want to build
my own software to run on them.
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3:15 p.m.
On 04/10/2012 05:20 PM, Mouse wrote:
I think I have the software distribution for those somewhere.
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
Neat... got me
all nostalgic for the NCD19's that were scattered
around all over the place at uni. I loved those things - the
displays were so crisp on them.
Single-colour tubes are like that. No shadow mask means, potentially
at least, very crisp precise display - dependent only on the focus
precision, really.
I've got one? two? of those. Some one of these decades I want to build
my own software to run on them.
6:52 p.m.
got me all nostalgic for the NCD19's [...]
I've got one? two? of those. Some one of these decades I want to
build my own software to run on them.
7:01 p.m.
On 04/10/2012 09:52 PM, Mouse wrote:
I think I have the software distribution for
those somewhere.
I've got the NCD software for mine. I don't want to use them as X
terminals; if I wanted to do that I already would be. I want to run my
own code on them. Not for utility so much as for hack value.
Ahh, most excellent. What processor is in those? A lot of X
terminals of that era used i960s if I recall.
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
got me all
nostalgic for the NCD19's [...]
I've got one? two? of those. Some one of
these decades I want to
build my own software to run on them. 
7:27 p.m.
New subject: X Terminals
--- On Tue, 4/10/12, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
The NCD X terms I have use 88k's.
-Ian
I've got
the NCD software for mine.? I don't want
to use them as X
terminals; if I wanted to do that I already would
be.? I want to run my
own code on them.? Not for utility so much as for
hack value.
? Ahh, most excellent.? What processor is in
those?? A lot of X
terminals of that era used i960s if I recall. 
11 Apr
11 Apr
5:11 a.m.
New subject: X Terminals
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Mr Ian Primus <ian_primus at yahoo.com>wrote:
The NCD X terms I have use 88k's.
-Ian
Those are earlier, if I'm remembering correctly. I have one 88k-based one
and several i960-based ones.
Peace... Sridhar
I've got the NCD software for mine. I don't
want
to use them as X
terminals; if I wanted to do that I already would
be. I want to run my
own code on them. Not for utility so much as for
hack value.
Ahh, most excellent. What processor is in
those? A lot of X
terminals of that era used i960s if I recall.
8:01 a.m.
New subject: X Terminals
In article <1334111266.77229.YahooMailClassic at web121604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,
Mr Ian Primus <ian_primus at yahoo.com> writes:
The NCD X terms I have use 88k's.
Yeah, those are the later ones. Mine are the older ones that use
Motorola 68000s.
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8:51 p.m.
I've got
the NCD software for mine. I don't want to use them as X
terminals; if I wanted to do that I already would be. I want to run
my own code on them. Not for utility so much as for hack value.
Ahh, most
excellent. What processor is in those? A lot of X
terminals of that era used i960s if I recall. 
11 Apr
11 Apr
12:14 a.m.
Zitat von Mouse <mouse at rodents-montreal.org>:
marked LSI LOGIC (obviously a maker's logo) and is
otherwise labeled
LR33000MC-33 / MIPS CTRLR / WB33391 / NNH 9250* / 5C1321WUFBA where
the * represents an approximately equilateral triangle, oriented so it
looks like an over-wide capital delta.
Looks like the RacerX from LSI (r3000 core with a graphics co-processor)
10 Apr
10 Apr
4:37 p.m.
On 04/10/2012 04:20 PM, Mouse wrote:
For sure, but those big NCD ones always seemed particularly good. I suspect
it's more a case that up to that point I'd only really used smaller cheaper
mono displays - and that other screens of a similar size were probably of
equal quality.
Neat... got me
all nostalgic for the NCD19's that were scattered
around all over the place at uni. I loved those things - the
displays were so crisp on them.
Single-colour tubes are like that. No shadow mask means, potentially
at least, very crisp precise display - dependent only on the focus
precision, really. I've got one? two? of those. Some one of these
decades I want to build
my own software to run on them.
Lucky :-) I did have a Tektronix m88k-based X terminal, but that was
colour and as you say the picture just isn't as sharp (although still a
nice enough little box, which I had booting off my main Linux desktop
machine for a few years). I'm not certain whether I kept it - it may be in
storage overseas still. I know that someone did dig into the firmware on it
and substituted their own ROM code to the point where it'd throw 'hello
world' up on the screen, but I don't know if they ever got any further than
that.
cheers
Jules
6:25 p.m.
In article <4F84C455.6000303 at gmail.com>,
Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> writes:
For sure, but those big NCD ones always seemed
particularly good.
Yes, I used these at E&S in the early 90s and I particularly liked the
screen *and* the keyboard. I have several you can see here:
<http://computergraphicsmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/wall-18.jpg>
I think I have the X server software stashed around somewhere, but not
on original install media.
Lucky :-) I did have a Tektronix m88k-based X
terminal, but that was
colour and as you say the picture just isn't as sharp (although still a
nice enough little box, which I had booting off my main Linux desktop
machine for a few years). I'm not certain whether I kept it - it may be in
storage overseas still. I know that someone did dig into the firmware on it
and substituted their own ROM code to the point where it'd throw 'hello
world' up on the screen, but I don't know if they ever got any further than
that.
It's a significant piece of software engineering to bring up an X
server at all, much less tune one to run well on these limited
resource boxes. It's much easier to see if you can get the original
distributions running on them. Later X terminals had a mature server
in ROM so that they could boot independently of a network server and
just rely on DHCP and whatnot for hooking themselves into your
network.
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13 Apr
1:12 p.m.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
The Terminals Wiki is open for public browsing!
<http://terminals.classiccmp.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page>
Very cool! congrats!
My intention was to create a single reference site for
everything we
can find about terminals.
Right now, account creation is by request only, but I will open it up
for more public editing gradually over time (I am mostly concerned
about spambots, I don't want this wiki to become a spam ghetto like so
many others).
I'm trying to make this an authoritative source, not just a hodge-podge
of unsubstantiated opinions. ?To that end, everything I've put into
the wiki so far is sourced from technical documentation (linked to
manx and bitsavers and other sources) or from periodicals on Google
books like Computerworld, InfoWorld, Network World, PC Mag, etc.
Need some help with documenting Tandberg terminals? I have a couple of
the TDV2200 series model, and was trained to repair TDV2200's and
TDV1200's in my first job. I still have the repair documentation.
These terminals were often used as terminals for Norsk Data
minicomputers, so a large part of the documentation available today is
in Norwegian.
Obviously there is tons more information that could be
added and that
will happen over time, but there is enough there now to be useful in
looking up weird terminals that you might encounter in the wild.
One nice thing about Google books is that they index the advertising
as much as they index the articles. ?I'm not sure that traditional
search databases like Nexus/Lexus do that. ?It has meant that I have
been able to find lots of information on terminals through
advertising, including some technical specifications and photos.
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14 Apr
14 Apr
8:16 a.m.
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012, Richard wrote:
The Terminals Wiki is open for public browsing!
<http://terminals.classiccmp.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page>
This is a joint project between myself (username Legalize),
Jason T (username Silent700) and Ian Primus (username Sark).
I am the wiki administrator.
Nice, I hope it'll evolve to a rich source of information.
I assume that you're not Richard Shuford, he had a great terminals web
site. Did you incorporate what he had into the wiki?
Right now, account creation is by request only, but I
will open it up
for more public editing gradually over time (I am mostly concerned
about spambots, I don't want this wiki to become a spam ghetto like so
many others).
Could you please verify the information about the terminals before you
make them public? I have looked at the HP terminals and found only
incomplete or wrong information. For example, you write the HP2640 and
HP2644 have an i8080 microprocessor. That is wrong, they have an i8008.
You write the HP2648A has 8k to 12k RAM, that's also wrong as it can
have up to 48k RAM plus up to 12k ROM.
Next, if the DEC VT8E consists of a PDP-8, its price surely wasn't only
$1900. And the VT100 also has a 132 column mode, not only the VT101.
of unsubstantiated opinions. To that end, everything
I've put into
the wiki so far is sourced from technical documentation (linked to
manx and bitsavers and other sources) or from periodicals on Google
books like Computerworld, InfoWorld, Network World, PC Mag, etc.
Ehem, are you sure? (see above)
Christian
4:15 p.m.
In article <alpine.DEB.2.02.1204141656380.12295 at linuxserv.home>,
Christian Corti <cc at informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> writes:
Nice, I hope it'll evolve to a rich source of
information.
I assume that you're not Richard Shuford, he had a great terminals web
site. Did you incorporate what he had into the wiki?
No, I'm not Richard Shuford. His content is linked from the main
page, but it's mostly scraped from newsgroups and would be better
linked from google groups archives. Shuford's material has already
disappeared from the net once (moved from http to ftp) and is likely
to disappear again.
Could you please verify the information about the
terminals before you
make them public?
That is the advantage of a wiki, it can be updated over time as
information is corrected. I can easily create an account and you can
correct what you see as errors.
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