8 Mar
2021
8 Mar
'21
9:42 a.m.
On 3/3/21 11:11 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>/On 3/3/21 10:42 AM, Lee Gleason via cctalk wrote:
/>>//>>>/?? The auction starts at? more than I have in my computer budget
this
month />>/I went ahead and bought these, but paypal contributions to my
email
would be helpful />>/this is way more than I can afford as well. /
He listed a 11D utilities source disk over the weekend,
so that is on its way now too.
I asked and he says he doesn't have any more 'red labeled' DEC disk packs.
Did you notice this auction? Looks like not all of his RSX11D stuff is red labelled.
This one looks like it might hold a running system.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/PDP-11-RK05-RSX-11D-64K-DEC-Digital-PDP/3534108081…
--
Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
Control-G Consultants
lee.gleason at comcast.net
8 Mar
8 Mar
10:46 a.m.
On 3/8/21 9:42 AM, Lee Gleason via cctalk wrote:
? Did you notice this auction? Looks like not all of
his RSX11D stuff is red labelled. This one looks like it might hold a running system.
yes, I saw it.
i'm limiting myself to the source packs, i'm worried enough that those might not
be readable at $125 a pop
11:03 a.m.
On Mar 8, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 3/8/21 9:42 AM, Lee Gleason via cctalk wrote:
What?s the likelihood of them being readable? I?m really curious about the ?Games? RK05,
but can?t read RK05?s. At this point, I wouldn?t guarantee I can still read RL01/RL02
packs, as it?s been 20+ years since those drives were hooked up. :-(
Zane
Did you notice this auction? Looks like not all
of his RSX11D stuff is red labelled. This one looks like it might hold a running system.
yes, I saw it.
i'm limiting myself to the source packs, i'm worried enough that those might not
be readable at $125 a pop
11:28 a.m.
On 3/8/21 11:03 AM, Zane Healy wrote:
What?s the likelihood of them being readable?
There shouldn't be any problems if they haven't been mishandled. I've
probably read
100 packs of similar age in the last 20 years. The only thing that deteriorates is
the ring foam.
Like I said, I need to pop open the one that has arrived to evaluate their condition
12:42 p.m.
RL01/02 units are pretty solid, the one thing to watch out for is make
sure the filter isn't plugged. Pull off the front, remove the filter,
and check it (and to make sure no mice things around it).
If the filter is plugged the heads can't get enough air to fly. Had this
happen, annoying.
On 3/8/2021 2:03 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
On Mar 8, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 3/8/21 9:42 AM, Lee Gleason via cctalk wrote:
What?s the likelihood of them being readable? I?m really curious about the ?Games? RK05,
but can?t read RK05?s. At this point, I wouldn?t guarantee I can still read RL01/RL02
packs, as it?s been 20+ years since those drives were hooked up. :-(
Zane
Did you notice this auction? Looks like not
all of his RSX11D stuff is red labelled. This one looks like it might hold a running
system.
yes, I saw it.
i'm limiting myself to the source packs, i'm worried enough that those might not
be readable at $125 a pop
6 Apr
6 Apr
10:15 a.m.
On 3/3/21 11:11 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
/On 3/3/21 10:42 AM, Lee Gleason via cctalk wrote:
/>//>>/?? The auction starts at? more than I have in my computer budget this
month />/I went ahead and bought these, but paypal contributions to my email
would be helpful />/this is way more than I can afford as well. /
Any luck reading these RSX11D disks yet?
--
Lee K.Gleason N5ZMR
Control-G Consultants
lee.gleason at comcast.net
10:42 a.m.
On 4/6/21 10:15 AM, Lee Gleason via cctalk wrote:
On 3/3/21 11:11 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
I have to find my qbus rk11 card. I know it's around here somewhere..
/On 3/3/21 10:42 AM, Lee Gleason via cctalk
wrote: />//>>/?? The auction starts at? more than I have in my computer budget
this
month />/I went ahead and bought these, but paypal contributions to my
email would be helpful />/this is way more than I can afford as well. /
Any luck reading these RSX11D disks yet? 
11 a.m.
New subject: Lisa Source Code
I keep finding articles about how The Computer History Museum will (note
tense) release the Apple Lisa OS (office system) source code in 2018.
I can't find any evidence that this actually happened. As a former Pascal
programmer, it would be fascinating. Anyone know if this actually happened?
Thanks,
Mark (aka John)
5:14 p.m.
New subject: Lisa Source Code
So what happened to cancel the release? Did Apple get cold feet and
withdraw permission? Was there simply more work and less time than expected?
Mike
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 2:45 PM Al Kossow via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On 4/6/21 11:00 AM, John Many Jars via cctalk wrote:
Anyone know if this actually happened?
It has not
6:08 p.m.
New subject: Lisa Source Code
who? is? holing? it? ?from? release? at this point? apple or.... CHM.....Ed#?In a message
dated 4/6/2021 5:28:55 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at classiccmp.org writes:?
6:52 p.m.
New subject: Lisa Source Code
Al is right. AFAIK, the CHM has never made an official announcement regarding
the release of the LISA OS. Perhaps the confusion comes from this email from
Al to the LisaList:
--
Al Kossow
Dec 24, 2017, 7:49:23 AM
to lisa... at googlegroups.com
Just wanted to let everyone know the sources to the OS and applications were
recovered, I converted them to Unix end of line conventions and spaces for
Pascal tabs after recovering the files using Disk Image Chef, and they are
with Apple for review. After that's done, CHM will do an @CHM blog post about
the historical significance of the software and the code that is cleared for
release by Apple will be made available in 2018. The only thing I saw that
probably won't be able to be released is the American Heritage dictionary for
the spell checker in LisaWrite
--
I have no idea of "why" by this date the CHM hasn't released the code. Al
probably has a better handle on that than anyone. But be aware that the CHM can
be somewhat "opaque" at times, with no evil intended.
(I can say that, I'm one of the "Founding Members" of the CHM ;)
Cheers,
Lyle
On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 17:28:45 -0700
Al Kossow via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 4/6/21 5:14 PM, Michael Kerpan wrote:
--
73 NM6Y
Bickley Consulting West
https://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
So what happened to cancel the release?
It hasn't been canceled, it just hasn't occurred.
Also, there was never an official announcement about this from CHM.
7 Apr
7 Apr
12:06 p.m.
New subject: Lisa Source Code
At 08:52 PM 4/6/2021, Lyle Bickley via cctalk wrote:
I converted them to Unix end of line conventions and
spaces for
Pascal tabs after recovering the files using Disk Image Chef,
OK I'll bite. Googling for quote Disk Image Chef doesn't
turn up much beyond this press release (which is all over
the web in many languages.)
What is it?
- John
12:21 p.m.
New subject: Lisa Source Code
On 4/7/21 12:06 PM, John Foust via cctalk wrote:
What is it?
name changed
https://github.com/aaru-dps/Aaru
1:32 p.m.
New subject: Lisa Source Code
On 4/7/21 12:21 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 4/7/21 12:06 PM, John Foust via cctalk wrote:
Amazing. At least two of their image formats were originated by yours
truly--and I was never contacted to confirm details.
Okay, I've got a WORM disc here--how do they propose to archive that?
(recall that unwritten sectors can't be read).
--Chuck
What is it?
name changed
https://github.com/aaru-dps/Aaru 
8 Apr
8 Apr
12:23 a.m.
New subject: Lisa Source Code
On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 2:33 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Okay, I've got a WORM disc here--how do they
propose to archive that?
(recall that unwritten sectors can't be read).
Same for Apple DOS 3.1, 3.2, and 3.2.1 (13-sector format). The formatter
only writes the address fields, but no data fields. Apple fixed that (if
you consider it a defect) in the 16-sector format (DOS 3.3, Pascal, SOS,
ProDOS, GS/OS).
8:34 a.m.
New subject: Lisa Source Code
On 4/8/21 12:23 AM, Eric Smith wrote:
On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 2:33 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org>> wrote:
Okay, I've got a WORM disc here--how do they propose to archive that?
(recall that unwritten sectors can't be read).
There's a big difference--in a WORM, unwritten sectors *mean* something.
Recall that you can't ever re-write or erase data. The read/write
filesystems are "interesting" and use the presence or absence of data as
part of the picture.
Just unraveled one such filesystem--it's interesting. You never lose
information.
Consider that, on a sector basis, there are three possibilities for the
value of a bit.
--Chuck
19 Apr
19 Apr
8:37 a.m.
? Well, I managed to scrape together some more bucks and get this
RSX11D labeled disk. Although James Fehlinger's recent release of a
working RSX11D distro reduces the need for it, I'd still like to see
what's on this disk. Does anyone have an actual, physical, assembled,
currently working? RK05 drive that could read it in for me?
--
Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
Control-G Consultants
lee.gleason at comcast.net
On 3/8/2021 11:42 AM, Lee Gleason wrote:
On 3/3/21 11:11 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>/On 3/3/21 10:42 AM, Lee Gleason via cctalk
wrote: />>//>>>/?? The auction starts at? more than I have in my computer
budget this
month />>/I went ahead and bought these, but paypal
contributions to my email
would be helpful />>/this is way more than I can afford as well. /
He listed a 11D utilities source disk over the
weekend, so that is on its way now too.
I asked and he says he doesn't have any more 'red labeled' DEC disk packs.
Did you notice this auction? Looks like not all of his RSX11D stuff is red labelled.
This one looks like it might hold a running system.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/PDP-11-RK05-RSX-11D-64K-DEC-Digital-PDP/3534108081…
--
Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
Control-G Consultants
lee.gleason at comcast.net 
20 Apr
20 Apr
2:08 a.m.
On Apr 19, 2021, at 8:37 AM, Lee Gleason via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Does anyone have an actual, physical, assembled, currently working RK05 drive that could
read it in for me?
Hi Lee -- I have a currently working RK05 attached to an (also currently working) 11/45,
and would be willing to give this a go for you? I am in the SF Bay Area (Oakland) -- DM
me to coordinate details is you wish?
cheers,
--FritzM.
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