11 Aug
2016
11 Aug
'16
1:08 p.m.
I have a MicroVax 4000 that I am trying to update the license PAKs on,
the last time I had valid PAKs on this machine was in 2002 (Hobbyist
Licenses).
I registered and have received the new Hobbyist License PAKs.
I connected a laptop and transferred the text file using C-Kermit on the
VAX and hyperterminal on the laptop.
When I go to execute the file, I get an error:
$(a)hobbyist-use-only-va.txt
%RMS-W-RTB 512 bye record to large for user buffer
It appears that when the file was transferred it showed up on the vax
with fixed length records of 512 bytes, not variable length.
Can I convert the file on the VAX?
Is there a setting for C-Kermit that I need to change?
Is Hyperterminal screwing things up?
Doug
11 Aug
11 Aug
1:22 p.m.
On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Douglas Taylor <dj.taylor4 at comcast.net> wrote:
$(a)hobbyist-use-only-va.txt
%RMS-W-RTB 512 bye record to large for user buffer
It appears that when the file was transferred it showed up on the vax with
fixed length records of 512 bytes, not variable length.
Not an unusual occurrence with moving files to VMS.
Can I convert the file on the VAX?
There may be an easy way to do that, depending if you've lost the line
terminators or not. What does it look like when you TYPE the file or
EDIT it?
Is there a setting for C-Kermit that I need to change?
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq-c-bix.html
VMS C-Kermit ignores "SET FILE TYPE" on send and uses the RMS record
type (Fixed or Stream_LF) instead. I used to use C-Kermit a lot and
remember having to SET FILE TYPE TEXT on both ends to get good files
through. We also used a program named BACKPACK.EXE to encode
variable-length record filetypes (.OBJ, .OLB, etc.) into plaintext
files and back. Much like uudecode/decode fits 8-bit binary data into
printable ASCII, BACKPACK.EXE also encodes the record length and the
RMS filetype metadata so that the reconstructed file is identical to
the original.
-ethan
1:26 p.m.
On 2016-08-11 14:08, Douglas Taylor wrote:
I have a MicroVax 4000 that I am trying to update the
license PAKs on,
the last time I had valid PAKs on this machine was in 2002 (Hobbyist
Licenses).
I registered and have received the new Hobbyist License PAKs.
I connected a laptop and transferred the text file using C-Kermit on the
VAX and hyperterminal on the laptop.
When I go to execute the file, I get an error:
$(a)hobbyist-use-only-va.txt
%RMS-W-RTB 512 bye record to large for user buffer
It appears that when the file was transferred it showed up on the vax
with fixed length records of 512 bytes, not variable length.
Can I convert the file on the VAX?
Is there a setting for C-Kermit that I need to change?
Is Hyperterminal screwing things up?
I usually just send it a textfile, so open the editor, put it in input
mode, download the file, save it. Don't forget, to make a dealy after
every <CR> ...
1:47 p.m.
On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:26 PM, emanuel stiebler <emu at e-bbes.com> wrote:
On 2016-08-11 14:08, Douglas Taylor wrote:
I've always just set the terminal emulator to a slow per-character rate and
pushed it into the console. As long as VMS can process each line before
the next one starts, you should be golden. -- Ian
--
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu>
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens
Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org>
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org>
University of Washington
There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
I have a MicroVax 4000 that I am trying to update
the license PAKs on,
the last time I had valid PAKs on this machine was in 2002 (Hobbyist
Licenses).
I registered and have received the new Hobbyist License PAKs.
I connected a laptop and transferred the text file using C-Kermit on the
VAX and hyperterminal on the laptop.
When I go to execute the file, I get an error:
$(a)hobbyist-use-only-va.txt
%RMS-W-RTB 512 bye record to large for user buffer
It appears that when the file was transferred it showed up on the vax
with fixed length records of 512 bytes, not variable length.
Can I convert the file on the VAX?
Is there a setting for C-Kermit that I need to change?
Is Hyperterminal screwing things up?
I usually just send it a textfile, so open the editor, put it in input
mode, download the file, save it. Don't forget, to make a dealy after every
<CR> ...
1:55 p.m.
On 8/11/2016 4:47 PM, Ian S. King wrote:
On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:26 PM, emanuel stiebler
<emu at e-bbes.com> wrote:
Yes, I am using the console port and I do remember using that trick a
long time ago. I think I'll try that, and also the set file/attr method.
Earlier I tried the trick of going into the editor and blasting the file
at the VAX, it didn't work at 9600 baud, I have to show more patience.
Doug
On 2016-08-11 14:08, Douglas Taylor wrote:
I've always just set the terminal emulator to a slow per-character rate and
pushed it into the console. As long as VMS can process each line before
the next one starts, you should be golden. -- Ian
I have a MicroVax 4000 that I am trying to update
the license PAKs on,
the last time I had valid PAKs on this machine was in 2002 (Hobbyist
Licenses).
I registered and have received the new Hobbyist License PAKs.
I connected a laptop and transferred the text file using C-Kermit on the
VAX and hyperterminal on the laptop.
When I go to execute the file, I get an error:
$(a)hobbyist-use-only-va.txt
%RMS-W-RTB 512 bye record to large for user buffer
It appears that when the file was transferred it showed up on the vax
with fixed length records of 512 bytes, not variable length.
Can I convert the file on the VAX?
Is there a setting for C-Kermit that I need to change?
Is Hyperterminal screwing things up?
I usually just send it a textfile, so open the editor, put it in input
mode, download the file, save it. Don't forget, to make a dealy after every
<CR> ...
2:30 p.m.
When I do that (not with VAX, but CP/M) I still use 9600, but set character pacing at 20ms
and line pacing at 200ms. Slow but it works. Mostly.
Rich
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 11, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Douglas Taylor
<dj.taylor4 at comcast.net> wrote:
On 8/11/2016 4:47 PM, Ian S. King wrote:
Yes, I am using the console port and I do remember using that trick a long time
ago. I think I'll try that, and also the set file/attr method.
Earlier I tried the trick of going into the editor and blasting the file at the VAX, it
didn't work at 9600 baud, I have to show more patience.
Doug
On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:26 PM, emanuel stiebler
<emu at e-bbes.com> wrote:
I've always just set the terminal emulator to a slow per-character rate and
pushed it into the console. As long as VMS can process each line before
the next one starts, you should be golden. -- Ian
On 2016-08-11 14:08, Douglas Taylor wrote:
I have a MicroVax 4000 that I am trying to update the license PAKs on,
the last time I had valid PAKs on this machine was in 2002 (Hobbyist
Licenses).
I registered and have received the new Hobbyist License PAKs.
I connected a laptop and transferred the text file using C-Kermit on the
VAX and hyperterminal on the laptop.
When I go to execute the file, I get an error:
$(a)hobbyist-use-only-va.txt
%RMS-W-RTB 512 bye record to large for user buffer
It appears that when the file was transferred it showed up on the vax
with fixed length records of 512 bytes, not variable length.
Can I convert the file on the VAX?
Is there a setting for C-Kermit that I need to change?
Is Hyperterminal screwing things up?
I usually just send it a textfile, so open the editor, put it in input
mode, download the file, save it. Don't forget, to make a dealy after every
<CR> ...
6:56 p.m.
On 8/11/2016 4:47 PM, Ian S. King wrote:
On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:26 PM, emanuel stiebler
<emu at e-bbes.com> wrote:
Ian ;
I set the baud rate for 300, it was torture, but it worked. However, on
the vax I had to make sure the terminal width was set to 132.
The license file ran past 80 characters occasionally and screwed things
up, because the Vax would 'wrap' those lines.
The next hurdle is to get the networking functioning again. Are there
any tricks I should know about concerning the AUI to 10BaseT adapters?
It has been about a dozen years since I last did this and at that time
it was working.
Doug
On 2016-08-11 14:08, Douglas Taylor wrote:
I've always just set the terminal emulator to a slow per-character rate and
pushed it into the console. As long as VMS can process each line before
the next one starts, you should be golden. -- Ian
I have a MicroVax 4000 that I am trying to update
the license PAKs on,
the last time I had valid PAKs on this machine was in 2002 (Hobbyist
Licenses).
I registered and have received the new Hobbyist License PAKs.
I connected a laptop and transferred the text file using C-Kermit on the
VAX and hyperterminal on the laptop.
When I go to execute the file, I get an error:
$(a)hobbyist-use-only-va.txt
%RMS-W-RTB 512 bye record to large for user buffer
It appears that when the file was transferred it showed up on the vax
with fixed length records of 512 bytes, not variable length.
Can I convert the file on the VAX?
Is there a setting for C-Kermit that I need to change?
Is Hyperterminal screwing things up?
I usually just send it a textfile, so open the editor, put it in input
mode, download the file, save it. Don't forget, to make a dealy after every
<CR> ...
7:57 p.m.
On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Douglas Taylor <dj.taylor4 at comcast.net>
wrote:
It's not so much the baud rate but the character rate, at least for
something like a VAX. For a PDP-8, baud rate is important, too!
I have used (and continue to use) a lot of those AUI-TP adapters, and they
all seemed to be plug-and-play. I've also used old network hubs with BNC
connectors to do thinnet networks - necessary for some of my machines. Oh,
ISTR that a lot of VAXstations did have a button near the AUI and BNC
connectors asking you to choose. Choose wisely, Grasshopper, and you shall
be rewarded with packet traffic. Cheers -- Ian
--
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu>
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens
Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org>
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org>
University of Washington
There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Ian ;
I set the baud rate for 300, it was torture, but it worked. However, on
the vax I had to make sure the terminal width was set to 132.
The license file ran past 80 characters occasionally and screwed things
up, because the Vax would 'wrap' those lines.
The next hurdle is to get the networking functioning again. Are there any
tricks I should know about concerning the AUI to 10BaseT adapters?
It has been about a dozen years since I last did this and at that time it
was working.
Doug
16 Aug
16 Aug
7:36 a.m.
$(a)hobbyist-use-only-va.txt
%RMS-W-RTB 512 bye record to large for user buffer
The little grey cells holding this info are rather dusty, but they're
telling me that back when I used VMS (early '80s) CONVERT/FDL was the
appropriate tool to deal with issues like this.
It took some noodling around the HELP pages and some experiments, but I
eventually got the file I was dealing with converted. You might want
to throw ANALYZE/FDL at the file first to see how it really is set up.
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