13 Jan
2006
13 Jan
'06
3:25 p.m.
I'm installing two laminated (doubled-up 2x12") beams and eight jack
posts to hold up my dining room floor from underneath. I already
installed one beam and four columns in December. Ah, the trials of
being a mainframe collector.
Peace... Sridhar
13 Jan
13 Jan
3:29 p.m.
Time to go rent an abandoned car factory I would think.
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From: "Sridhar Ayengar" <ploopster at gmail.com>
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Subject: This weekend
I'm installing two laminated (doubled-up 2x12") beams and eight jack
posts to hold up my dining room floor from underneath. I already
installed one beam and four columns in December. Ah, the trials of
being a mainframe collector.
Peace... Sridhar
6:07 p.m.
William Donzelli wrote:
I don't believe the vacated buildings are necessarily due to the market
dying away. I think it's more because mainframes have gotten physically
a lot smaller.
Peace... Sridhar
This is
Poughkeepsie, it would most likely be an abandoned mainframe
factory. 8-)
Some might say 8-(. 
8:04 p.m.
I don't believe the vacated buildings are
necessarily due to the market
dying away. I think it's more because mainframes have gotten physically
a lot smaller.
Well, the Kingston plant went from making computers to processing income
tax. Extremes of fun, to say the least.
Anyway, mainframes were so much better when they were BIG.
William Donzelli
aw288 at osfn.org
8:10 p.m.
William Donzelli wrote:
The thing I miss from the Kingston plant is the SP line. It's nowhere
near as cool in Poughkeepsie.
I don't
believe the vacated buildings are necessarily due to the market
dying away. I think it's more because mainframes have gotten physically
a lot smaller.
Well, the Kingston plant went from making computers to processing income
tax. Extremes of fun, to say the least. Anyway, mainframes were so much better when they were
BIG.
Indeed.
Peace... Sridhar
8:37 p.m.
On Friday 13 January 2006 17:10, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
William Donzelli wrote:
The thing I miss from the Kingston plant is the SP line. It's nowhere
near as cool in Poughkeepsie.
> Anyway, mainframes were so much better when they were BIG.
Ah, you guys are bringing up some fond remembrances. I had an office in the
705 Building in Poughkeepsie and an office in the manufacturing plant in
Kingston. Date 1963 - when IBM was "finishing off" the 7094 line in
Poughkeepsie and the 7044 line in Kingston and replacing them with System/360
lines. When System/360 was launched, I ran a software modeling group - which
ran simulations of the many iterations of hardware, MFT, MVS, Compilers, etc.
It was a blast!!!
BTW: I used to live in Rhinebeck - kinda inbetween the two plants...
Cheers,
Lyle
--
Lyle Bickley
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
Mountain View, CA
http://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
I
don't believe the vacated buildings are necessarily due to the market
dying away. I think it's more because mainframes have gotten physically
a lot smaller.
Well, the Kingston plant went from making computers to processing income
tax. Extremes of fun, to say the least.
9:11 p.m.
On Friday 13 January 2006 17:49, William Donzelli wrote:
There were a LOT of IBM engineers living in the area at that time. If fact
almost too many ;-)
I was a volunteer paramedic on the Rhinebeck Rescue Squad - and with only one
or two exceptions, ALL of my fellow volunteer paramedics were IBMers...
I lived at 13 South Parsonage Street, right in the town. I loved Rhinebeck!
I also owned a piece of the Astor estate, near the river.
Cheers,
Lyle
--
Lyle Bickley
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
Mountain View, CA
http://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
BTW: I used to
live in Rhinebeck - kinda inbetween the two plants...
Where? I am in Staatsburg right now, in a house that apparently had an IBM
engineer in it about the same timeframe. 
14 Jan
14 Jan
12:41 p.m.
New subject: Old computer magazines
Hey all,
I normally lurk and enjoy reading about every body elses adventures
in classic computing. Well, I'm in a little bit of a space squeeze, and
being that my wife dosen't like keeping magazines around nor dose she
apreciate 8 bit computer stuff, looks like I have a whole bunch of
Compute, Computes Gazette, Commodore, Amiga World and other
miscellanious magazines to get rid of. A bunch of them were collected in
my youth when I didn't know how to properly care for magazines so they
are dog eared and some have torn or missing covers. I kind of feel that
it's the content that makes them worth keeping. Any one interested? I'd
have to charge shipping and a little extra for packaging. Not sure how
much that would be. If your interested drop me a line and I'll check
into what exactly I have.
Thanks
Shannon
skspurling(at)centurytel.net
15 Jan
15 Jan
4:40 p.m.
New subject: Old computer magazines
Hi Shannon, I'm interested in them if no one else responded.
Marty
Hey all,
I normally lurk and enjoy reading about every body elses adventures
in classic computing. Well, I'm in a little bit of a space squeeze, and
being that my wife dosen't like keeping magazines around nor dose she
apreciate 8 bit computer stuff, looks like I have a whole bunch of
Compute, Computes Gazette, Commodore, Amiga World and other
miscellanious magazines to get rid of. A bunch of them were collected in
my youth when I didn't know how to properly care for magazines so they
are dog eared and some have torn or missing covers. I kind of feel that
it's the content that makes them worth keeping. Any one interested? I'd
have to charge shipping and a little extra for packaging. Not sure how
much that would be. If your interested drop me a line and I'll check
into what exactly I have.
Thanks
Shannon
skspurling(at)centurytel.net
1:48 p.m.
New subject: Old computer magazines
Hey all,
I normally lurk and enjoy reading about every body elses adventures
in classic computing. Well, I'm in a little bit of a space squeeze, and
being that my wife dosen't like keeping magazines around nor dose she
apreciate 8 bit computer stuff, looks like I have a whole bunch of
Compute, Computes Gazette, Commodore, Amiga World and other
miscellanious magazines to get rid of. A bunch of them were collected in
my youth when I didn't know how to properly care for magazines so they
are dog eared and some have torn or missing covers. I kind of feel that
it's the content that makes them worth keeping. Any one interested? I'd
have to charge shipping and a little extra for packaging. Not sure how
much that would be. If your interested drop me a line and I'll check
into what exactly I have.
Thanks
Shannon
skspurling(at)centurytel.net
13 Jan
13 Jan
9:41 p.m.
Lyle Bickley wrote:
Ah, you guys are bringing up some fond remembrances. I
had an office in the
705 Building in Poughkeepsie and an office in the manufacturing plant in
Kingston. Date 1963 - when IBM was "finishing off" the 7094 line in
Poughkeepsie and the 7044 line in Kingston and replacing them with System/360
lines. When System/360 was launched, I ran a software modeling group - which
ran simulations of the many iterations of hardware, MFT, MVS, Compilers, etc.
It was a blast!!!
BTW: I used to live in Rhinebeck - kinda inbetween the two plants...
My office is in B/004-3. Were you in 705 when it opened? It looks a
lot newer than the other side of the plant.
I grew up in Poughkeepsie, myself. My parents have worked in East
Fishkill plant for many years.
Peace... Sridhar
11:49 p.m.
On Friday 13 January 2006 18:41, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Lyle Bickley wrote:
The 705 building is much newer than the other side of the plant. It was
already occupied when I came to Poughkeepsie. But it was "the" place to be -
since most of the System/360 software development (OS, compilers) work was
done there. Fred Brooks (360 Architect, author of the "Mythical Man Month")
had his office in 705 - and I used to attend meetings in his office. I
considered that a real privilege at the time. He is a man of great brilliance
and integrity...
Ah, you guys are bringing up some fond
remembrances. I had an office in
the 705 Building in Poughkeepsie and an office in the manufacturing plant
in Kingston. Date 1963 - when IBM was "finishing off" the 7094 line in
Poughkeepsie and the 7044 line in Kingston and replacing them with
System/360 lines. When System/360 was launched, I ran a software modeling
group - which ran simulations of the many iterations of hardware, MFT,
MVS, Compilers, etc. It was a blast!!!
BTW: I used to live in Rhinebeck - kinda inbetween the two plants...
My office is in B/004-3. Were you in 705 when it opened? It looks a
lot newer than the other side of the plant. I grew up in Poughkeepsie, myself. My parents have
worked in East
Fishkill plant for many years.
Peace... Sridhar
Wow, that's cool. Feels like "old home week" :-)
What do you do at B/004-3?
Cheers,
Lyle
--
Lyle Bickley
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
Mountain View, CA
http://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
14 Jan
14 Jan
11:19 a.m.
Lyle Bickley wrote:
The 705 building is much newer than the other side of the plant. It was
already occupied when I came to Poughkeepsie. But it was "the" place to be -
since most of the System/360 software development (OS, compilers) work was
done there. Fred Brooks (360 Architect, author of the "Mythical Man Month")
had his office in 705 - and I used to attend meetings in his office. I
considered that a real privilege at the time. He is a man of great brilliance
and integrity...
That is *tremendously* cool.
I work for Facilities Site Operations. I write all of their custom
code. A bunch of industrial instrumentation and controls, and a bunch
of project tracking/financial and purchasing. It's a bit of a mix.
Peace... Sridhar
Ah, you guys are bringing up some fond remembrances. I
had an office in
the 705 Building in Poughkeepsie and an office in the manufacturing plant
in Kingston. Date 1963 - when IBM was "finishing off" the 7094 line in
Poughkeepsie and the 7044 line in Kingston and replacing them with
System/360 lines. When System/360 was launched, I ran a software modeling
group - which ran simulations of the many iterations of hardware, MFT,
MVS, Compilers, etc. It was a blast!!!
BTW: I used to live in Rhinebeck - kinda inbetween the two plants...
My office is in B/004-3. Were you in 705 when it opened? It looks a
lot newer than the other side of the plant. I grew up in
Poughkeepsie, myself. My parents have worked in East
Fishkill plant for many years.
Wow, that's cool. Feels like "old home week" :-)
What do you do at B/004-3? 
1:01 p.m.
At 10:19 AM 1/14/2006, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Brooks turns up at SIGGRAPH. I just about fell over the first time
I saw him, a decade or so ago. He walked up to my booth, legitimately
interested in my products, and I think I was a bit misty-eyed
when I gave him a gratis copy of everything I was offering.
Call me a geek.
- John
Fred Brooks
(360 Architect, author of the "Mythical Man Month") had his office in 705 - and
I used to attend meetings in his office. I considered that a real privilege at the time.
He is a man of great brilliance and integrity...
That is *tremendously* cool. 
13 Jan
13 Jan
4:02 p.m.
In article <43C80CAC.7010709 at gmail.com>,
Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> writes:
I'm installing two laminated (doubled-up
2x12") beams and eight jack
posts to hold up my dining room floor from underneath. I already
installed one beam and four columns in December. Ah, the trials of
being a mainframe collector.
What big iron are you collecting?
Do you have a bragging rights web site with photos? :-)
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4:35 p.m.
Aren't most residential floors rated at about 50 lbs./sq. ft.? I've seen
folks assemble a platform with 2x4s and some heavy plywood to distribute
the weight of heavy items over a broad area. What are the joists under
your floor like now? I've got 2x12" glue-lam beams under mine and it seems
to be pretty sturdy.
Cheers,
Chuck
4:55 p.m.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
Aren't most residential floors rated at about 50
lbs./sq. ft.? I've seen
folks assemble a platform with 2x4s and some heavy plywood to distribute
the weight of heavy items over a broad area. What are the joists under
your floor like now? I've got 2x12" glue-lam beams under mine and it seems
to be pretty sturdy.
Well, the fact that the house is about eighty years old makes a
difference, but the joists are full-cut (!) 2x12". It's pretty strong,
but it could use some more rigidity, hence the beams and posts.
Peace... Sridhar
5:01 p.m.
Richard wrote:
I have an S/390 (including terminal controller, DASD, etc.), three
big-iron VAXen and a whole load of other hardware in there. One more
S/390 will probably arrive later.
Peace... Sridhar
I'm
installing two laminated (doubled-up 2x12") beams and eight jack
posts to hold up my dining room floor from underneath. I already
installed one beam and four columns in December. Ah, the trials of
being a mainframe collector.
What big iron are you collecting?
Do you have a bragging rights web site with photos? :-) 
4:25 p.m.
On Friday 13 January 2006 15:25, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
I'm installing two laminated (doubled-up
2x12") beams and eight jack
posts to hold up my dining room floor from underneath. I already
installed one beam and four columns in December. Ah, the trials of
being a mainframe collector.
Perhaps, time to install a concrete floor? All of racks of stuff are
sitting on concrete floors in my basement (light things) or garage
(hard to move things), soon to be moved to a building with concrete
floors and cinderblock walls, which I can condition the air in..
Pat
--
Purdue University Research Computing --- http://www.rcac.purdue.edu/
The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org
4:28 p.m.
On Friday 13 January 2006 16:25, Patrick Finnegan wrote:
On Friday 13 January 2006 15:25, Sridhar Ayengar
wrote:
Errr, that's supposed to read "All of *my* racks of stuff.
Pat
--
Purdue University Research Computing --- http://www.rcac.purdue.edu/
The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org
I'm installing two laminated (doubled-up
2x12") beams and eight
jack posts to hold up my dining room floor from underneath. I
already installed one beam and four columns in December. Ah, the
trials of being a mainframe collector.
Perhaps, time to install a concrete floor? All of racks of stuff are
sitting on concrete floors in my basement (light things) or garage
(hard to move things), soon to be moved to a building with concrete
floors and cinderblock walls, which I can condition the air in..
4:57 p.m.
Patrick Finnegan wrote:
On Friday 13 January 2006 15:25, Sridhar Ayengar
wrote:
I was planning on building an outbuilding and perhaps getting some
industrial space. It's exceedingly cheap around here, but right now my
mortgage takes most of my income.
Peace... Sridhar
I'm installing two laminated (doubled-up
2x12") beams and eight jack
posts to hold up my dining room floor from underneath. I already
installed one beam and four columns in December. Ah, the trials of
being a mainframe collector.
Perhaps, time to install a concrete floor? All of racks of stuff are
sitting on concrete floors in my basement (light things) or garage
(hard to move things), soon to be moved to a building with concrete
floors and cinderblock walls, which I can condition the air in.. 
4:53 p.m.
On Friday 13 January 2006 03:25 pm, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
I'm installing two laminated (doubled-up
2x12") beams and eight jack
posts to hold up my dining room floor from underneath. I already
installed one beam and four columns in December. Ah, the trials of
being a mainframe collector.
Peace... Sridhar
I hope you're putting poured concrete footings under those jack posts... :-)
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4:59 p.m.
Roy J. Tellason wrote:
On Friday 13 January 2006 03:25 pm, Sridhar Ayengar
wrote:
I'm putting them on the poured concrete basement floor. Maybe on top of
some patio block to spread the weight, but probably not.
Peace... Sridhar
I'm installing two laminated (doubled-up
2x12") beams and eight jack
posts to hold up my dining room floor from underneath. I already
installed one beam and four columns in December. Ah, the trials of
being a mainframe collector.
Peace... Sridhar
I hope you're putting poured concrete footings under those jack posts... :-)
5:09 p.m.
On 1/13/2006 at 4:59 PM Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
I'm putting them on the poured concrete basement
floor. Maybe on top of
some patio block to spread the weight, but probably not.
Will that pass inspection? The typical concrete slab is what, 3"-4" thick,
tops? You may want to cut through the slab, dig a hole and pour a real
footing for the beam.
--Chuck
5:27 p.m.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 1/13/2006 at 4:59 PM Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
That sems like it'll be overkill. I'd have to pour twelve separate
footings. Plus the weight will be spread out considerably, since we're
talking about twelve columns roughly 36" apart. Hardwood blocks would
probably be strong enough. Plus there are structural masonry walls
around the perimeter of the room I'm strrengthening. Also, there's this
giant masonry column and footing under the heaviest item. (The DASD
array.) The jack posts will be nowhere near maximum load.
Peace... Sridhar
I'm putting them on the poured concrete
basement floor. Maybe on top of
some patio block to spread the weight, but probably not.
Will that pass inspection? The typical concrete slab is what, 3"-4" thick,
tops? You may want to cut through the slab, dig a hole and pour a real
footing for the beam.
5:28 p.m.
On Friday 13 January 2006 05:09 pm, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 1/13/2006 at 4:59 PM Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
That's what I was thinking. Saw it on some tv show once, a 2 foot square
hole about 2 feet deep should do the trick...
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Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
-
Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James
M Dakin
I'm putting them on the poured concrete
basement floor. Maybe on top of
some patio block to spread the weight, but probably not.
Will that pass inspection? The typical concrete slab is what, 3"-4" thick,
tops? You may want to cut through the slab, dig a hole and pour a real
footing for the beam.
--Chuck
5:58 p.m.
Will that pass inspection? The typical concrete slab
is what, 3"-4" thick,
tops? You may want to cut through the slab, dig a hole and pour a real
footing for the beam.
Not a bad idea at all. In time the slab will crack, having point loads
like columns, and then problems come up that you really do not want to
deal with.
Digging footings is not all that bad, and well worth it.
William Donzelli
aw288 at osfn.org
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