29 Dec
2008
29 Dec
'08
2:19 p.m.
Either new or very new-looking. Not mine, don't know the seller, etc:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280297753368
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29 Dec
29 Dec
2:27 p.m.
--- On Mon, 12/29/08, Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com>
Subject: Ebay: "new" 029 Keypunch
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 2:19 PM
Either new or very new-looking. Not mine, don't know the seller, etc:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280297753368
Looks like the one from govliquidation that sold a few weeks ago.
Bob
4:54 p.m.
This really looks like 1 of the 4 or 5 that were in a govliquidation
site auction a few weeks back, which were all wood crated.
This guy is just doing a corn pone description of where they came from
to make it seem like it is "rare" I suspect.
Jim
30 Dec
30 Dec
2:45 p.m.
In article <49597138.6040500 at jwsss.com>,
jim s <jws at jwsss.com> writes:
This guy is just doing a corn pone description of
where they came from
to make it seem like it is "rare" I suspect.
It is rare, not "rare".
C=64s are "rare".
IBM 029 key punches are rare.
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4:22 p.m.
In article <e1d20d630812301512v17772c5cyfb4b684275aeb954 at mail.gmail.com>,
"William Donzelli" <wdonzelli at gmail.com> writes:
Really? Reaction on this list to the original govliq lot seemed to
indicate otherwise. I don't know how often they come up on ebay
because I don't have an active search looking for them.
Still, considering that someone snatched that one up with a buy-it-now
option instead of waiting out the auction tells me that they aren't
common on ebay either.
While rare is a relative and not an absolute term, I don't think this
sort of item (particularly in this condition) would qualify as common.
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IBM 029 key
punches are rare.
Yes, they are rare. In outer space.
They pop up with regularity elsewhere. 
4:41 p.m.
Really? Reaction on this list to the original govliq
lot seemed to
indicate otherwise. I don't know how often they come up on ebay
because I don't have an active search looking for them.
Most I see are not on Ebay. In the past couple of years, I have come
across maybe six 029 and 129 machines _off_ Ebay, then there are the
ones that we see _on_ Ebay. 029s and 129s seem to be neck and neck as
far as availability. Other keystations, like the 024 and 026 are not.
Then there are some weird variants, generally part of data comm sets,
that really are rare. But then, often the difference is only a hair
more than a new tag.
Still, considering that someone snatched that one up
with a buy-it-now
option instead of waiting out the auction tells me that they aren't
common on ebay either.
Lots of people, including some of the mainframe collectors (big guns),
still think that the 029s and 129s are really rare. I suspect they are
not looking past their screens. For those of us that are actually
doing the legwork, the things just come around.
While rare is a relative and not an absolute term, I
don't think this
sort of item (particularly in this condition) would qualify as common.
Yes, the condition matters greatly in this example. I will admit that.
--
Will
31 Dec
31 Dec
8:09 a.m.
On Dec 30, 2008, at 7:41 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
I'd sure like to know what planet you're on in which 029's "just
come around". Perhaps you'd be willing to share the wealth a bit? ;)
The closest thing to "vintage hardware" I've seen in this part of
the country is a middle-aged AS/400 and an Osborne 1...The only truly
interesting thing I've found here was the System/36 (5360) I picked
up last summer.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Still,
considering that someone snatched that one up with a buy-
it-now
option instead of waiting out the auction tells me that they aren't
common on ebay either.
Lots of people, including some of the mainframe collectors (big guns),
still think that the 029s and 129s are really rare. I suspect they are
not looking past their screens. For those of us that are actually
doing the legwork, the things just come around. 
8:29 a.m.
Dave McGuire wrote:
On Dec 30, 2008, at 7:41 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
I'd sure like to know what planet you're on in which 029's "just come
around". Perhaps you'd be willing to share the wealth a bit? ;)
The closest thing to "vintage hardware" I've seen in this part of the
country is a middle-aged AS/400 and an Osborne 1...The only truly
interesting thing I've found here was the System/36 (5360) I picked up
last summer.
Vintage availability always varies by area - I've seen precisely nothing up
here, although doubtless a few odds and ends exist down in Minneapolis (but
that's still a 10 hour round-trip for me, so I can't easily find things and
just hop in a vehicle to go get them).
However, experience in the past has been that there's two routes to vintage
collecting:
1) Ebay
2) Not Ebay
:-) The second route seems to find more obscure stuff (as well as 'common'
items) and typically for free or beer money - but it's a lot of work to get
yourself established as a collector of ${foo} and then to actively seek out
items. The old time vs. money equation, I guess.
cheers
Jules
Still,
considering that someone snatched that one up with a buy-it-now
option instead of waiting out the auction tells me that they aren't
common on ebay either.
Lots of people, including some of the mainframe collectors (big guns),
still think that the 029s and 129s are really rare. I suspect they are
not looking past their screens. For those of us that are actually
doing the legwork, the things just come around.
11:09 a.m.
Vintage availability always varies by area - I've
seen precisely nothing up
here, although doubtless a few odds and ends exist down in Minneapolis (but
that's still a 10 hour round-trip for me, so I can't easily find things and
just hop in a vehicle to go get them).
Some of us, however, can do a 10 hour round trip on the drop of a hat
to go fetch something.
But, I know some of us have family or work obligations that can get in the way.
Find some middle ground - I have found that quite a few sources are
willing to hold onto some goodie for a short amount of time, as they
often realize all too well that *their* family and work obligations
often get in *their* way of having fun.
Beer, donuts, pizza or money can help!
:-) The second route seems to find more obscure stuff
(as well as 'common'
items) and typically for free or beer money - but it's a lot of work to get
yourself established as a collector of ${foo} and then to actively seek out
items. The old time vs. money equation, I guess.
Basically, yes.
--
Will
12:18 p.m.
William Donzelli wrote:
Actually, I did used to make trips like that back in England once in a while -
but then I had a nice network of old friends to bump into along the way. Over
here, where the only folk I know are local, it's hard to justify the cost
involved to do a huge trip unless it's something really special.
I did find that once established in a particular area, things would tend to
fall into my lap as word spread, though. But it's hard work to get to that point.
Vintage
availability always varies by area - I've seen precisely nothing up
here, although doubtless a few odds and ends exist down in Minneapolis (but
that's still a 10 hour round-trip for me, so I can't easily find things and
just hop in a vehicle to go get them).
Some of us, however, can do a 10 hour round trip on the drop of a hat
to go fetch something. Find some middle ground - I have found that quite a
few sources are
willing to hold onto some goodie for a short amount of time, as they
often realize all too well that *their* family and work obligations
often get in *their* way of having fun.
Yeah, that does work sometimes. But (e.g.) freecycle lists can be good in some
places, but typical freecyclers offer stuff because they want it gone ASAP so
can be reluctant to give things to those who can only pick up in a
week/month/half-year.
(As I've said before, I have space here in the middle of MN for anyone needing
a temporary storage home for things - but it's sufficiently out of normal
trade routes to be of much use, I suspect)
:-) The
second route seems to find more obscure stuff (as well as 'common'
items) and typically for free or beer money - but it's a lot of work to get
yourself established as a collector of ${foo} and then to actively seek out
items. The old time vs. money equation, I guess.
Basically, yes. 
9:29 a.m.
Dave McGuire wrote:
On Dec 30, 2008, at 7:41 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
I'd sure like to know what planet you're on in which 029's "just come
around". Perhaps you'd be willing to share the wealth a bit? ;)
He's not that far from Poughkeepsie.
Peace... Sridhar
Still,
considering that someone snatched that one up with a buy-it-now
option instead of waiting out the auction tells me that they aren't
common on ebay either.
Lots of people, including some of the mainframe collectors (big guns),
still think that the 029s and 129s are really rare. I suspect they are
not looking past their screens. For those of us that are actually
doing the legwork, the things just come around.
10:23 a.m.
On Dec 31, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
I'd sure like to know what
planet you're on in which 029's "just
come around". Perhaps you'd be willing to share the wealth a bit? ;)
He's not that far from Poughkeepsie.
That figures. ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Still,
considering that someone snatched that one up with a buy-
it-now
option instead of waiting out the auction tells me that they
aren't
common on ebay either.
Lots of people, including some of the mainframe collectors (big
guns),
still think that the 029s and 129s are really rare. I suspect
they are
not looking past their screens. For those of us that are actually
doing the legwork, the things just come around.
10:25 a.m.
Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Dave McGuire wrote:
> On Dec 30, 2008, at 7:41 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
>>> Still, considering that someone snatched that one up with a
>>> buy-it-now
>>> option instead of waiting out the auction tells me that they aren't
>>> common on ebay either.
>>
There is no telling where these buyers come from. I'd sell some parts
of my collection to them at the prices they pay, and find other things.
Also this was probably a nice specimen if you really wanted a working
keypunch.
The one I found was in the Pennysaver here in Orange County, Ca, and a
friend called me about it, so it was overlooked long enough for someone
to actually call me about it.
>> Lots of people, including some of the
mainframe collectors (big guns),
>> still think that the 029s and 129s are really rare. I suspect they are
>> not looking past their screens. For those of us that are actually
>> doing the legwork, the things just come around.
>
I trolled at the TRW swap meet and some of the vendors there would come
to me with things they found I would like. Sometimes the items come
find you if you ask a lot of people, not the other way around.
If you think about it, these items are large and if the vendor realizes
what they have they may not store that well at the vendors location, so
they must be moved quickly before they get damaged or lost in the
operation for as much as possible. If you are lucky enough to have a
vendor remember you, you get a phone call, and get your treasure.
I fear that now with the new recycling frenzy going on to be "green"
that a lot of this simply is thrown in the pile and ground up, and lost.
The earlier efforts to recycle, such as the Kansas City Surplus Exchange
was nice in that the original operators would try to seek out people who
could pick out bits to save and find buyers for the equipment rather
than breaking it up.
I think now the mentality is to just grind everything back to its base
material and w/o brains, much the way that most operations are run these
days. The process is the driving force, and usually does not include
people who have unique skills, such as knowledge of old computers and
equipment to pick out bits and pieces.
I'd sure
like to know what planet you're on in which 029's "just
come around". Perhaps you'd be willing to share the wealth a bit? ;)
He's not that far from Poughkeepsie.
Peace... Sridhar
11:02 a.m.
I'd sure like to know what planet you're on
in which 029's "just come
around". Perhaps you'd be willing to share the wealth a bit? ;)
And reveal my secrets?
The closest thing to "vintage hardware"
I've seen in this part of the
country is a middle-aged AS/400 and an Osborne 1...The only truly
interesting thing I've found here was the System/36 (5360) I picked up last
summer.
A fair number of interesting things show up in the Atlanta area. Is
that too far for you?
--
Will
11:39 a.m.
On Dec 31, 2008, at 2:02 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
Heh, YOU said the stuff was common. ;)
No, that's not too far; it's about an eight hour drive. I'm
certainly willing to head up there if there's something interesting
available. I'd appreciate any leads you'd be willing to throw my way.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
I'd sure
like to know what planet you're on in which 029's "just
come
around". Perhaps you'd be willing to share the wealth a bit? ;)
And reveal my secrets? The closest
thing to "vintage hardware" I've seen in this part
of the
country is a middle-aged AS/400 and an Osborne 1...The only truly
interesting thing I've found here was the System/36 (5360) I
picked up last
summer.
A fair number of interesting things show up in the Atlanta area. Is
that too far for you?
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