7 Dec
2018
7 Dec
'18
4:25 p.m.
Anyone has old DECUS distributions? I am looking for the PDP-11 SPACE WAR
program. It is supposed to be 11-192, written by William (Bill) Seilier and
Lawrence (Larry) Bryant in 1974.
https://i.imgur.com/rjaWX4X.png
It is a space war like program for the PDP-11/10 with AA11 and AD01.
Much later Bill rewrote it in C for the MSP430:
http://processors.wiki.ti.com/images/tmp/f1276339401-2015330541.html
https://github.com/dlitz/openmsp430/blob/master/fpga/actel_m1a3pl_dev_kit/s…
But where is the original PAL-11 source? Anyone?
7 Dec
7 Dec
5:04 p.m.
On 12/7/18 1:25 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote:
Anyone has old DECUS distributions?
For all intents and purposes, no
DECUS threw them out.
About the only thing that survives are the titles that
were included on some of the SIG tapes.
Working on gathering what parts still survive in individual
collections would be a good thing, but I'm not holding my
breath for it to happen.
5:34 p.m.
Den fre 7 dec. 2018 kl 23:04 skrev Al Kossow via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org>:
On 12/7/18 1:25 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote:
Sad.
Anyone has old DECUS distributions?
For all intents and purposes, no
DECUS threw them out.
About the only thing that survives are the titles that
were included on some of the SIG tapes.
Working on gathering what parts still survive in individual
collections would be a good thing, but I'm not holding my
breath for it to happen.
I will check the labels of all the RL01, RL02, RK05 and RK07 packs I have
to see if there happens to be any DECUS material on them.
However I found one Bill Seiler in Santa Cruz that is very likely to be the
very Bill Seiler that wrote the original SPACE WAR for PDP-11. Since he at
least had the source in 2006 it might be so that he still has it?
5:42 p.m.
someone should get the source off him and put it out on the web
On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 4:34 PM Mattis Lind via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Den fre 7 dec. 2018 kl 23:04 skrev Al Kossow via
cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org>:
On 12/7/18 1:25 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote:
Sad.
Anyone has old DECUS distributions?
For all intents and purposes, no
DECUS threw them out.
About the only thing that survives are the titles that
were included on some of the SIG tapes.
Working on gathering what parts still survive in individual
collections would be a good thing, but I'm not holding my
breath for it to happen.
I will check the labels of all the RL01, RL02, RK05 and RK07 packs I have
to see if there happens to be any DECUS material on them.
However I found one Bill Seiler in Santa Cruz that is very likely to be the
very Bill Seiler that wrote the original SPACE WAR for PDP-11. Since he at
least had the source in 2006 it might be so that he still has it?
8 Dec
8 Dec
10 a.m.
On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, 6:09 PM Adrian Stoness via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org wrote:
someone should get the source off him and put it out
on the web
On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 4:34 PM Mattis Lind via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org wrote:
I have at least one rk05 with decus material but I have not yet completed
the install/restoration of the drive and controller I have for my pdp 11/05
or 11/40 to run and read the disks I have on hand.
Who is the closest person to Philadelphia with a working pdp 11 and rk05
drive, the LSSM in Pittsburgh perhaps? I can take to Dave tonseenif he is
willing to read in my 30 or so rk05 disks next time I visit there....or if
anyone with more experience than I would like to pop over to assist me for
an afternoon to get it running, please contact me via my web site. I'd be
willing to trade a pack or two for the help. I have working rk05s on my
pdp8e that we can borrow if need be so I am pretty sure soon enough I'll
have success. Part of my delay has been the fact that on my 11s I run
rl02s dont need rk05s.
Bill
Den fre 7 dec. 2018 kl 23:04 skrev Al Kossow via
cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org>:
the
On 12/7/18 1:25 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote:
Sad.
Anyone has old DECUS distributions?
For all intents and purposes, no
DECUS threw them out.
About the only thing that survives are the titles that
were included on some of the SIG tapes.
Working on gathering what parts still survive in individual
collections would be a good thing, but I'm not holding my
breath for it to happen.
I will check the labels of all the RL01, RL02, RK05 and RK07 packs I have
to see if there happens to be any DECUS material on them.
However I found one Bill Seiler in Santa Cruz that is very likely to be very Bill Seiler that wrote the original SPACE
WAR for PDP-11. Since he
at
least had the source in 2006 it might be so that
he still has it?
10:10 a.m.
On 12/8/18 10:00 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, 6:09 PM Adrian Stoness via cctalk
<
cctalk at classiccmp.org wrote:
As long as we're talking about old PDP-11 DECUS stuff I
am still looking for a copy of:
11S042?????? Symposium Tape from the RSTS SIG, Spring 1980,
Chicago Version: Spring 1980
Of course, I would be interested in pretty much anything from
the RSTS SIG but this is? my holy grail.? :-)
bill
someone should get the source off him and put it
out on the web
On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 4:34 PM Mattis Lind via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I have at least one rk05 with decus material but I have not yet completed
the install/restoration of the drive and controller I have for my pdp 11/05
or 11/40 to run and read the disks I have on hand.
Who is the closest person to Philadelphia with a working pdp 11 and rk05
drive, the LSSM in Pittsburgh perhaps? I can take to Dave tonseenif he is
willing to read in my 30 or so rk05 disks next time I visit there....or if
anyone with more experience than I would like to pop over to assist me for
an afternoon to get it running, please contact me via my web site. I'd be
willing to trade a pack or two for the help. I have working rk05s on my
pdp8e that we can borrow if need be so I am pretty sure soon enough I'll
have success. Part of my delay has been the fact that on my 11s I run
rl02s dont need rk05s.
Bill Den fre 7 dec. 2018 kl 23:04 skrev Al Kossow via
cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org>:
the
On 12/7/18 1:25 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote:
> Anyone has old DECUS distributions?
For all intents and purposes, no
DECUS threw them out.
Sad.
About the only thing that survives are the titles
that
were included on some of the SIG tapes.
Working on gathering what parts still survive in individual
collections would be a good thing, but I'm not holding my
breath for it to happen.
I will check the labels of all the RL01, RL02, RK05 and RK07 packs I have
to see if there happens to be any DECUS material on them.
However I found one Bill Seiler in Santa Cruz that is very likely to be very Bill Seiler that wrote the original SPACE
WAR for PDP-11. Since he
at
> least had the source in 2006 it might be so that he still has it?
>
11:16 a.m.
On 12/8/18 7:10 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
As long as we're talking about old PDP-11 DECUS
stuff I
am still looking for a copy of:
11S042?????? Symposium Tape from the RSTS SIG, Spring 1980,
Chicago Version: Spring 1980
Of course, I would be interested in pretty much anything from
the RSTS SIG but this is? my holy grail.? :-)
bill
Maybe I can talk Josh at LCM+L to work on a joint project in 2019 to
see what DECUS submissions they and CHM have.
I know Lyle would really like me to read his DECUS
PDP-12 DECtapes and I really should better organize
what is in bitsavers.org/bits/DEC. I probably makes
sense to break out the DECUS library there.
11:26 a.m.
On 12/8/18 11:16 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 12/8/18 7:10 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
Would be nice to save what of this can still be recovered.
It was disturbing to hear DECUS threw stuff out, but not
surprising.? I know of other such actions.? Stuff Dennis
Ritchie donated to a former East Coast Computer Museum
was discarded and I also know of stuff given to USENIX
that they tossed (luckily some of that has been recovered
but I am sure much was lost permanently).
bill
As long as we're talking about old PDP-11
DECUS stuff I
am still looking for a copy of:
11S042?????? Symposium Tape from the RSTS SIG, Spring 1980,
Chicago Version: Spring 1980
Of course, I would be interested in pretty much anything from
the RSTS SIG but this is? my holy grail.? :-)
bill
Maybe I can talk Josh at LCM+L to work on a joint project in 2019 to
see what DECUS submissions they and CHM have.
I know Lyle would really like me to read his DECUS
PDP-12 DECtapes and I really should better organize
what is in bitsavers.org/bits/DEC. I probably makes
sense to break out the DECUS library there. 
11:37 a.m.
When did the DECUS purge occur?
Marc
On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 8:26 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 12/8/18 11:16 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 12/8/18 7:10 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
Would be nice to save what of this can still be recovered.
It was disturbing to hear DECUS threw stuff out, but not
surprising. I know of other such actions. Stuff Dennis
Ritchie donated to a former East Coast Computer Museum
was discarded and I also know of stuff given to USENIX
that they tossed (luckily some of that has been recovered
but I am sure much was lost permanently).
bill
As long as we're talking about old PDP-11
DECUS stuff I
am still looking for a copy of:
11S042 Symposium Tape from the RSTS SIG, Spring 1980,
Chicago Version: Spring 1980
Of course, I would be interested in pretty much anything from
the RSTS SIG but this is my holy grail. :-)
bill
Maybe I can talk Josh at LCM+L to work on a joint project in 2019 to
see what DECUS submissions they and CHM have.
I know Lyle would really like me to read his DECUS
PDP-12 DECtapes and I really should better organize
what is in bitsavers.org/bits/DEC. I probably makes
sense to break out the DECUS library there.
12:22 p.m.
On 12/8/18 8:26 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
I also know of stuff given to USENIX
that they tossed (luckily some of that has been recovered
but I am sure much was lost permanently).
Paper or USENIX tapes?
The early tapes are problematic because they required source licenses
12:50 p.m.
On 12/8/18 12:22 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 12/8/18 8:26 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
What I know about first-hand was all the research on The
Software Tools Virtual Operating System.? I had worked with
it? on Pr1me and Univac-1100 back in the 80's.? I got interested
in it again and started searching for it.? Could not find anything
but was able to get in touch with Deborah Scherrer who was
one of the primaries on the research and she informed me that
she had sent all her work to USENIX who held it a few years
and then just trashed? it.? I have since found some of it, but
places that had done the ports (GA Tech for the Pr1me.) had
also just scrapped it all when it was no longer of interest.
Truly sad how much of our history has been lost.
bill
I also know of stuff given to USENIX
that they tossed (luckily some of that has been recovered
but I am sure much was lost permanently).
Paper or USENIX tapes?
The early tapes are problematic because they required source licenses
1:13 p.m.
On 12/8/18 9:50 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
What I know about first-hand was all the research on
The
Software Tools Virtual Operating System.? I had worked with
it? on Pr1me and Univac-1100 back in the 80's.? I got interested
in it again and started searching for it.? Could not find anything
but was able to get in touch with Deborah Scherrer who was
one of the primaries on the research and she informed me that
she had sent all her work to USENIX who held it a few years
and then just trashed? it.? I have since found some of it, but
places that had done the ports (GA Tech for the Pr1me.) had
also just scrapped it all when it was no longer of interest.
Truly sad how much of our history has been lost.
bill
I chased that same windmill a few years ago including talking to Deborah.
I turned up some tapes of code from LBL (same as the Structured Languages tape) but
I've never
found anything for Pr1me
1:19 p.m.
On 12/8/18 1:13 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 12/8/18 9:50 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
Do they include the sources?? Are they up on bitsavers anywhere?
My reason for looking for Pr1me was that they were one of the most
complete at the time I was working with it.?? I would love to get a
full set of later sources and revive it just for fun.? Nobody seems to
realize that they had accomplished POSIX long before the concept
was even given thought.
I see it as being just like UCSD-Pascal.? An idea ahead of its time
that got dropped only to be reinvented decades later.
bill
What I know about first-hand was all the research
on The
Software Tools Virtual Operating System.? I had worked with
it? on Pr1me and Univac-1100 back in the 80's.? I got interested
in it again and started searching for it.? Could not find anything
but was able to get in touch with Deborah Scherrer who was
one of the primaries on the research and she informed me that
she had sent all her work to USENIX who held it a few years
and then just trashed? it.? I have since found some of it, but
places that had done the ports (GA Tech for the Pr1me.) had
also just scrapped it all when it was no longer of interest.
Truly sad how much of our history has been lost.
bill
I chased that same windmill a few years ago including talking to Deborah.
I turned up some tapes of code from LBL (same as the Structured Languages tape) but
I've never
found anything for Pr1me
1:29 p.m.
On 12/8/18 10:19 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
Do they include the sources?? Are they up on bitsavers
anywhere?
Not currently, what I have is what was released on the Languages and Tools SIG
tape in RATFOR
I'll put the tape images I have up as soon as I can find them.
I'm trying to find my Glen Everhart RSX .TPC images right now
I also just fixed a couple of CHM DECUS paper tape catalog entries for the PDP-1 and
PDP-8
so they are correctly identified as such.
========> [VMSLT02B.GCE]AAAREADME.TXT;2 <========
Stuff for Fall 2002
========> [VMSLT02B.LTSIG]AAAREADME.TXT;1 <========
LT Sig 1987-88
This directory contains the Languages and Tools SIG material
from the 1987-88 sigtape they put out which has been
difficult
to find. Included is the last edition of the LBL Software Tools
as released for VMS, plus a few other interesting items which
appeared at that time. While this material is not known specifically
to work in Alpha (it predates the Alpha by a few years) it is
written in very portable Ratfor and many of the tools will probably
"just work". Presented here to help ensure it is not forgotten.
---
you'll have to pull this off IA or go through the annon ftp, since http://decuslib.com
is down
12:45 p.m.
On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 8:29 AM Al Kossow via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On 12/8/18 7:10 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
Sounds like a great project, I'd be happy to help out.
- Josh
As long as we're talking about old PDP-11
DECUS stuff I
am still looking for a copy of:
11S042 Symposium Tape from the RSTS SIG, Spring 1980,
Chicago Version: Spring 1980
Of course, I would be interested in pretty much anything from
the RSTS SIG but this is my holy grail. :-)
bill
Maybe I can talk Josh at LCM+L to work on a joint project in 2019 to
see what DECUS submissions they and CHM have.
I know Lyle would really like me to read his DECUS
PDP-12 DECtapes and I really should better organize
what is in bitsavers.org/bits/DEC. I probably makes
sense to break out the DECUS library there.
12:49 p.m.
On 12/8/18 9:45 AM, Josh Dersch wrote:
Sounds like a great project, I'd be happy to help
out.
cool
I also just noticed http://decuslib.com isn't responding
The anonymous ftp still works, but doesn't have the zip files
on it.
1:18 p.m.
The DECUS conference proceedings I've scanned
gives attendance
DECUS membership 1961-1972
1961 12
1962 25
1963 43
1964 202
1965 426
1966 850
1967 2008
1968 3476
1969 6054
1970 9110
1971 12213 - 5590 installation delegates, 6623 individual members.
1972 15295 - 7052 8243
This is only up through the start of the PDP-11, it obviously got
MUCH bigger after that.
There were also large LUGs (Local Interest Groups)
The ones in Milwaukee and Chicago were pretty big.
On 12/8/18 10:10 AM, Adrian Stoness wrote:
how big were the decus confrinces back in the day?
1:24 p.m.
On 12/8/18 1:18 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
The DECUS conference proceedings I've scanned
gives attendance
DECUS membership 1961-1972
1961 12
1962 25
1963 43
1964 202
1965 426
1966 850
1967 2008
1968 3476
1969 6054
1970 9110
1971 12213 - 5590 installation delegates, 6623 individual members.
1972 15295 - 7052 8243
This is only up through the start of the PDP-11, it obviously got
MUCH bigger after that.
There were also large LUGs (Local Interest Groups)
The ones in Milwaukee and Chicago were pretty big.
On 12/8/18 10:10 AM, Adrian Stoness wrote:
> how big were the decus confrinces back in the day?
I don't know if it reflects an actual count, but before Compaq
changed the DECUS Membership # to an alphabetic jumble
taken from your name my original DECUS Membership # was
368513.? Don't remember what year? but it was likely mid 80's.
bill
3:44 p.m.
were the decus confrinces ever held in multi level parking garages? keep
hearing a story of one that was so big it took over one. door prize was a
rainbow 100 my dad won in 79 80?? tells me he got a membership when he was
a teen i the early 70's after hanging out with the nasa guys in the 60's in
town who used to run experiments up in northern manitoba
On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 2:10 PM emanuel stiebler via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 2018-12-08 13:24, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
wrote:
name my original DECUS Membership # was
368513. Don't remember what year but it was likely mid 80's.
WOW, we were close, mine is 364059
;-)
4:56 p.m.
New subject: Conferences/Exhibitions (Was: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?
On Sat, 8 Dec 2018, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
were the decus confrinces ever held in multi level
parking garages? keep
hearing a story of one that was so big it took over one. door prize was a
rainbow 100 my dad won in 79 80?? tells me he got a membership when he was
a teen i the early 70's after hanging out with the nasa guys in the 60's in
town who used to run experiments up in northern manitoba
Congratulations. THAT is a great prize!
I never attended any confrinces, but a lot of conferences and exhibitions.
National Computer Conference was one of the first ones, started in 1951,
under the name Joint Computer Conference.
1968 was Engelbart's "The Mother Of All Demos"
In 1973, it became National Computer Conference.
Anaheim in 1983 was a big one. S'posedly a couple of people died from the
heat in the "tents" (temporary buildings, because it overflowed the
convention facilities)
CeBIT (Hanover Germany) was the largest. Started in 1970; ended? in 2018.
Sorry, I have little or no information about it; I never got a chance to
go.
One of the next early ones was "The West Coast Computer Faire".
Started by Jim Warren (also known for Silicon Gulch Gazette, and role
in starting mumerous other publications) Jim Warren used to roll around
the show on roller skates.
First one of WCCF was in 1977 in Brooks Hall and Civic Auditorium in San
Francisco. It included intro of AppleII and Commodore PET.
(All discussion of "FIRST" between TRS80, Commodore PET, and APPLE2 is
essentially meaningless, as they were for all practical purposes TIED, and
"FIRST" is based on WHICH aspect you consider important.)
Second was in San Jose, (1978)
Third was in Los Angeles, (1978)
Fourth was back in SF. (1979) (first one that I exhibited in), and intro
of VisiCalc
Fifth (1980) included intro of Microsoft SoftCard
Sixth (1981) included Osborne 1
A spin-off was the West Coast PC Faire.
But, Apple stopped exhibiting at WCCF, and "any show [other than Comdex]
that also has PC-based exhibits".
In 1983, Jim Warren sold out to Prentice Hall, who sold to Shelly Adelson
(Comdex, and Las Vegas hotels). WCCF declined.
At "SOG" ("Semi-Official Gathering" put on by Micro-Cornucopia), we
presented Jim Warren with a pair of skates and told him that it was time
to put them back on.
WCCF declined rapidly and ended with 16th in 1991?
Comdex started in 1979 (Las Vegas), by Shelly Adelson, and by the mid
1980s, Comdex Las Vegas became the largest USA show.
It filled ALL of the convention halls of all of the hotels that had
convention halls, with shuttle buses between them (Hilton, Riviera, MGM,
Sahara, Tropicana, Caesar's Palace, Sands, etc.)
$39.95 hotel rooms bumped their rates to $140+ and sold out.
Smallest booth size was 10x10. But, because of an ERROR in drawing the
floorplan, a couple of years, I was able to get a 7x7!
Some, including Microsoft, set up micro-booths within their
"pavilion" booths to rent out to many small affiliated companies.
It spun-off Spring Comdex (Atlanta?) and some international shows.
It declined, and Travel complications for international attendees were BAD
in 2001 (post 9/11), and the show RAPIDLY declined and closed in 2003.
I still have some miscellaneous copies of the show guide/directory from a
number of years.
5:06 p.m.
New subject: Conferences/Exhibitions (Was: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?
neat you should scan those and put em up on bit savers or somthing
On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 3:56 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On Sat, 8 Dec 2018, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
were the decus confrinces ever held in multi
level parking garages? keep
hearing a story of one that was so big it took over one. door prize was a
rainbow 100 my dad won in 79 80?? tells me he got a membership when he
was
a teen i the early 70's after hanging out
with the nasa guys in the 60's
in
town who used to run experiments up in northern
manitoba
Congratulations. THAT is a great prize!
I never attended any confrinces, but a lot of conferences and exhibitions.
National Computer Conference was one of the first ones, started in 1951,
under the name Joint Computer Conference.
1968 was Engelbart's "The Mother Of All Demos"
In 1973, it became National Computer Conference.
Anaheim in 1983 was a big one. S'posedly a couple of people died from the
heat in the "tents" (temporary buildings, because it overflowed the
convention facilities)
CeBIT (Hanover Germany) was the largest. Started in 1970; ended? in 2018.
Sorry, I have little or no information about it; I never got a chance to
go.
One of the next early ones was "The West Coast Computer Faire".
Started by Jim Warren (also known for Silicon Gulch Gazette, and role
in starting mumerous other publications) Jim Warren used to roll around
the show on roller skates.
First one of WCCF was in 1977 in Brooks Hall and Civic Auditorium in San
Francisco. It included intro of AppleII and Commodore PET.
(All discussion of "FIRST" between TRS80, Commodore PET, and APPLE2 is
essentially meaningless, as they were for all practical purposes TIED, and
"FIRST" is based on WHICH aspect you consider important.)
Second was in San Jose, (1978)
Third was in Los Angeles, (1978)
Fourth was back in SF. (1979) (first one that I exhibited in), and intro
of VisiCalc
Fifth (1980) included intro of Microsoft SoftCard
Sixth (1981) included Osborne 1
A spin-off was the West Coast PC Faire.
But, Apple stopped exhibiting at WCCF, and "any show [other than Comdex]
that also has PC-based exhibits".
In 1983, Jim Warren sold out to Prentice Hall, who sold to Shelly Adelson
(Comdex, and Las Vegas hotels). WCCF declined.
At "SOG" ("Semi-Official Gathering" put on by Micro-Cornucopia), we
presented Jim Warren with a pair of skates and told him that it was time
to put them back on.
WCCF declined rapidly and ended with 16th in 1991?
Comdex started in 1979 (Las Vegas), by Shelly Adelson, and by the mid
1980s, Comdex Las Vegas became the largest USA show.
It filled ALL of the convention halls of all of the hotels that had
convention halls, with shuttle buses between them (Hilton, Riviera, MGM,
Sahara, Tropicana, Caesar's Palace, Sands, etc.)
$39.95 hotel rooms bumped their rates to $140+ and sold out.
Smallest booth size was 10x10. But, because of an ERROR in drawing the
floorplan, a couple of years, I was able to get a 7x7!
Some, including Microsoft, set up micro-booths within their
"pavilion" booths to rent out to many small affiliated companies.
It spun-off Spring Comdex (Atlanta?) and some international shows.
It declined, and Travel complications for international attendees were BAD
in 2001 (post 9/11), and the show RAPIDLY declined and closed in 2003.
I still have some miscellaneous copies of the show guide/directory from a
number of years.
5:21 p.m.
New subject: Conferences/Exhibitions (Was: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?
> I still have some miscellaneous copies of the show
guide/directory from a
> number of years.
On Sat, 8 Dec 2018, Adrian Stoness wrote:
neat you should scan those and put em up on bit savers
or somthing
I don't have a suitable scanner, and no longer have my paper shear.
They are about 6?x8? x 1.5?, with "perfect binding" (like paperback book
or phonebook)
I no longer have a complete set, (and I never had any of the ones prior to
1983) and the ones that are left are scattered in a few locations.
10:13 p.m.
New subject: Conferences/Exhibitions (Was: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?
cool
On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 4:21 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
> I still
have some miscellaneous copies of the show guide/directory from
a
> number of years.
On Sat, 8 Dec 2018, Adrian Stoness wrote:
neat you should scan those and put em up on bit
savers or somthing
I don't have a suitable scanner, and no longer have my paper shear.
They are about 6?x8? x 1.5?, with "perfect binding" (like paperback book
or phonebook)
I no longer have a complete set, (and I never had any of the ones prior to
1983) and the ones that are left are scattered in a few locations.
9 Dec
9 Dec
8:14 a.m.
New subject: Conferences/Exhibitions (Was: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?
l?r 2018-12-08 klockan 13:56 -0800 skrev Fred Cisin via cctalk:
CeBIT (Hanover Germany) was the largest. Started in 1970; ended? in
2018.
Sorry, I have little or no information about it; I never got a chance
to go.
Heinz Nixdorf died (heart failure) on the showroom floor in 1986.
2:32 p.m.
New subject: Conferences/Exhibitions (Was: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?
ouch that musta cause some chaos.
On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 7:15 AM Stefan Skoglund via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
l?r 2018-12-08 klockan 13:56 -0800 skrev Fred Cisin
via cctalk:
CeBIT (Hanover Germany) was the largest. Started in 1970; ended? in
2018.
Sorry, I have little or no information about it; I never got a chance
to go.
Heinz Nixdorf died (heart failure) on the showroom floor in 1986.
3:24 p.m.
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Fyi...i have a square bankers box of decus conference proceedings from the
70's. Are these otherwise available on the www?
3:28 p.m.
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On 12/9/18 12:24 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
Fyi...i have a square bankers box of decus conference
proceedings from the
70's. Are these otherwise available on the www?
I haven't gotten to them yet.
I have several decades of proceedings that I need to scan
beyond the ones from the 60's that I've done.
3:31 p.m.
New subject: Conferences/Exhibitions (Was: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?
On 12/9/18 12:28 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 12/9/18 12:24 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
and there is a lot in the archives
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/search/?s=decus+proceedings
which probably won't be gotten to in my lifetime
Fyi...i have a square bankers box of decus
conference proceedings from the
70's. Are these otherwise available on the www?
I haven't gotten to them yet.
I have several decades of proceedings that I need to scan
beyond the ones from the 60's that I've done.
8 Dec
8 Dec
12:30 p.m.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 14:04:52 -0800
Al Kossow via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 12/7/18 1:25 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote:
Not true for PDP-8 and PDP-12 DECUS. I was the last PDP-12 Coordinator
for DECUS - which included all the PDP-8 DECUS as well as the specific
PDP-12 DECUS software. I kept it all - and donated it in it's entirety
to the Computer History Museum (CHM) years ago. The collection also
included the MASTER source code for the DIAL operating system for the
PDP-12 - as DEC wanted "someone" to have it rather than throw it out
when they were closing out their archives.
The only thing I retained from my DECUS activities is the DECUS "money"
that we (DECUS) gave out for "change" when someone overpaid for an
item ;)
The DECUS "money" could only be spent for future software purchases
Anyone has old DECUS distributions?
For all intents and purposes, no
DECUS threw them out. from DECUS. BTW: The fees were copying fees which
included media costs,
etc. One didn't pay for the DECUS software itself.
I hope that the CHM will make the libraries available to the public -
which was my intent in donating them to the CHM in the first place.
Lyle
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12:34 p.m.
On 12/8/18 9:30 AM, Lyle Bickley wrote:
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 14:04:52 -0800
Al Kossow via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
It IS true for the PDP-11 library.
I should have been more specific.
On 12/7/18 1:25 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk
wrote:
Not true Anyone has old DECUS distributions?
For all intents and purposes, no
DECUS threw them out.
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