24 Dec
2011
24 Dec
'11
7:38 a.m.
We on IRC want to know how rare/what this is
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Computer-like-no-other-unique-/150724230097
Although the salesmanship is depressingly common!
Dave Caroline
24 Dec
24 Dec
7:58 a.m.
We on IRC want to know how rare/what this is
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Computer-like-no-other-unique-/150724230097
Judging by the picture, there's likely also someone buried alive just meters
from the storage building, and the computer being used
for the ransom
demands is completely untraceable...
10:14 a.m.
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Dave Caroline <dave.thearchivist at gmail.com
wrote:
We on IRC want to know how rare/what this is
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Computer-like-no-other-unique-/150724230097
Although the salesmanship is depressingly common!
Amazing how lazy people are at selling things. Half of the local Craigslist
ads for computer hardware usually read "Dell computer, four years old,
includes software, runs good, $300"
7:46 p.m.
In article <CALfYgtmqt8EK0uJdU5+HcCp2ht9Baqhy0=hC1Na4o8QPrjYYGA at mail.gmail.com>,
Dave Caroline <dave.thearchivist at gmail.com> writes:
We on IRC want to know how rare/what this is
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Computer-like-no-other-unique-/150724230097
The box on the left looks like it might have Data General styling, but
I'm no expert there. There clearly is a brand name on the left box
with the 8" floppy drive.
The monitor/keyboard combination looks to be a serial terminal for the
system but I don't recognize the keyboard layout or key coloring.
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8:44 p.m.
I wrote the guy asking for more information.
I had a couple of these go through my hands in the mid-early 1990s. I
believe I sold them to a person in Texas who did support for the line.
ISTR they were an early 8 bit business system and ran a proprietary
OS. However I have been racking my brain for the name.
I also think the seller is suspicious. The last feedback was 2007 and
had never sold anything, only bought, so I would be surprised if I got
an answer.
Pax
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Astoria, OR
USA
27 Dec
27 Dec
7:54 p.m.
I got an answer from the seller!
A rare 20MB Novell CPM computer built on or about 1985. It works, has
an image printer, and cable. In addition to working software, has
Wordstar, Datastar, complete set of books for the operating system,
and all software in addition to disk to restore all software. This
system is for the collector who wishes to posses this original system.
The operating system was used as the basis for current operating
systems. Cases included. This is indeed a rare find. This computer is
a collecters item not available anywhere, it
was purchased by an employee of novell an is in working order, this
computer is sure to increase in value very rapidly as it is only
available through this offering. serious offers only all cons or
persons trying to engage in online scams will be reported to ebay as
well as law enforment officers. shipping is extra as the cases vary in
weight and are quite heavy. Dont let this oportunity to own this
memorabilia that is at the forefront of the internet age
From the style could it be earlier and from Novell Data
Systems which
the company started as and were a computer manufacturer.
Dave Caroline
8:48 p.m.
[ebay seller writes...] , this
computer is sure to increase in value very rapidly as it is only
available through this offering.
Whoop-dee-freakin'-doo
If these things really did appreciate the way people describe them,
then scrappers would never get old computers.
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9:44 p.m.
On Dec 27, 2011, at 11:48 PM, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
Trouble is, they often do. Check some prices sometime.
[ebay seller writes...] , this
computer is sure to increase in value very rapidly as it is only
available through this offering.
Whoop-dee-freakin'-doo
If these things really did appreciate the way people describe them, then scrappers would never get old computers.
The mechanisms by which most scrappers usually get hardware are rarely if ever affected
by its resale value on the secondary market.
-Dave
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9:24 p.m.
On 28 Dec 2011 at 3:54, Dave Caroline wrote:
I got an answer from the seller!
A rare 20MB Novell CPM computer built on or about 1985. It works, has
an image printer, and cable. In addition to working software, has
Wordstar, Datastar, complete set of books for the operating system,
and all software in addition to disk to restore all software.
Didn't Televideo also have a CP/M model that worked with the old
Novell RS-422 linkup? I may have a boot disk for one somehwere...
The TVI verson probably isn't going for 10K, however.
--Chuck
28 Dec
28 Dec
8:52 a.m.
In article <4EFA379F.21337.84436 at cclist.sydex.com>,
"Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> writes:
Didn't Televideo also have a CP/M model that
worked with the old
Novell RS-422 linkup? I may have a boot disk for one somehwere...
Not sure about the RS-422/Novell part of it, but yes Televideo did
make a number of CP/M machines. The TS-803 is interesting because it
was one of the few CP/M machines to come with graphics out of the box.
Plus it has a cool looking case! You can see one on the top shelf
left-hand side of this picture:
<http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/cgm/sprawl4/dsc_0611.jpg.jpg>
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9:28 a.m.
I wrote:
> Plus it has a cool looking case!
In article <CANij+df-Bt91dtE4MjeB7RhOcoi-bD0myJ5Hc3jXA1KhZBxpiA at mail.gmail.com>,
William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> writes:
After a few beers.
Well, it's all subjective, but the case is more interesting than most
CP/M boxes I've seen. Actually it's more interesting than *any* other
CP/M box I've seen.
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9:44 a.m.
On 28 Dec 2011 at 9:52, Richard wrote:
Not sure about the RS-422/Novell part of it, but yes
Televideo did
make a number of CP/M machines. The TS-803 is interesting because it
was one of the few CP/M machines to come with graphics out of the box.
Plus it has a cool looking case! You can see one on the top shelf
left-hand side of this picture:
I knew that--I have a collection of TVI CP/M diskettes and some
manuals that starts with the TS-800 and goes through the 8/16 bit
combo units. All looking like TVI terminals., all vaguely
resembling the 2 color scheme of the VT-100.
No, early on, Novell had an RS-422 based network--and I believe it
was their first network offering--and hosted on TVI hardware. I'll
have to find my boot disk...
--Chuck
10 a.m.
On 28 December 2011 17:44, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
No, early on, Novell had an RS-422 based network--and I believe it
was their first network offering--and hosted on TVI hardware. ?I'll
have to find my boot disk...
I am guessing this is before the Netware 1.0 days?
IIRC, Novell
started out making 68000 machines - a server and diskless
workstations. When they realised that PC-compatibles were taking over,
they dropped the workstations, wrote a client for DOS & revamped the
server OS to support DOS clients. Then, subsequently, wrote a
68K-to-x86 cross-compiler to move the 68000-based server OS to the
80286. This was later rewritten to create Netware 2.x and again to
create Netware 3.x and 4.x, before being replaced with essentially a
new OS with a new filesystem plus a plug-in Netware Core FS module to
support disks from the old OS for Netware 5 and 6.
AIUI, the main netware core FS was one giant lump of x86 assembly code
that was carted from NW2 to 3 to 4 essentially intact, then moved into
a module on NW5 and NW6. After its author left, they were too scared
to attempt anything more than trivial changes...
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2:24 p.m.
but yes Televideo did make a number of CP/M machines
In my shed, I have a "Diskon"
It's a CP/M computer that was marketed specifically for interchanging
files between CP/M disk formats.
It consists of a bunch of external drives, and a motherbnoard (NOT
Televideo) jammed into a Televideo terminal.
It gives a BDOS error on boot attempt (from 8")
WANT IT?
(pickup in Berkeley)
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2:39 p.m.
On 28 Dec 2011 at 14:24, Fred Cisin wrote:
It consists of a bunch of external drives, and a
motherbnoard (NOT
Televideo) jammed into a Televideo terminal. It gives a BDOS error on
boot attempt (from 8")
WANT IT?
(pickup in Berkeley)
How many USB ports does it have? Can I boot Windows 7 on it?
--Chuck
3 p.m.
> It consists of a bunch of external drives, and a
motherbnoard (NOT
> Televideo) jammed into a Televideo terminal. It gives a BDOS error on
> boot attempt (from 8")
> WANT IT?
> (pickup in Berkeley)
On Wed, 28 Dec 2011, Chuck Guzis wrote:
How many USB ports does it have?
No internal ones, you'd probably have to buy an adapter.
But Fry's sells a USB <-> RS232 adapter. That might work.
Can I boot Windows 7 on it?
The boot disk that
is with it is CP/M.
You'd have to contact Microsoft to get the right version of Windows 7 on
8" disk, or connect a DVD drive (to the USB port that is connected to the
RS232 port?)
But the video is 80 characters per line, so you'd need to get a USB hub,
in order to connect VGA video.
But, once you get it going, you could get rich by transferring files for
people!
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3:28 p.m.
On 28 Dec 2011 at 15:00, Fred Cisin wrote:
No internal ones, you'd probably have to buy an
adapter.
But Fry's sells a USB <-> RS232 adapter. That might work.
I did something like that with an old Macintosh--I used a SCSI-to-USB
adapter to get my USB DVD drive going on it. Finding the right cable
was a big problem, though.
You'd have to contact Microsoft to get the right
version of Windows 7
on 8" disk, or connect a DVD drive (to the USB port that is connected
to the RS232 port?)
Maybe I could install Windows 2.0 twice and then Windows 3.0. That
makes 7, doesn't it?
--Chuck
30 Dec
30 Dec
7:41 p.m.
The seller sent me this info.
Hi the info i have is a Quantum Q2000 model #Q2020 serial# 6074 dated 2-9-82
scanner#1
cyclinder head drive is error free
the printer has a plate that says novell data systems
model 800S
serial # 2141
vac115
hertz60
made in USA
i havent gotten to the manuels and floppys yet i will try to send you
some pictures. thanks stan
I ask for info off the disks....
Enclosed is the info off the manuals and diskettes the pictures will
follow.thanks stan
Novell 2010 system operators manual preliminary
dated dec. 7 1981
first in its class of desktop computers
15 inch display winchester drive and cp/m operating system
Supercale manual, diskette unopened by sorcim
licenced fmt IBM 3740 serial 100-801 ver 1.04
dated 7-1981 plus registration card
Micropro Datastar unopened
Datastar 1.101 diskette and manual
DS7307KS plus registration card dated 9-23-80
Supersort 1.6 Operators Handbook and programmers guide
Dated 9-30-81
wordstar for Nexus 1 installation manual
I am beginning to think he is a real seller, misguided about the price.
Paxton
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Astoria, OR
USA
7:59 p.m.
In article <CAL2B=mH422MSu3-EZagsPhV2ZgQHOsg4+VSGr7bFX+3QyrXCXA at mail.gmail.com>,
Paxton Hoag <innfoclassics at gmail.com> writes:
I am beginning to think he is a real seller, misguided
about the price.
That's what I always thought. People think that just because
something is old and rare and was once expensive, that it must still
be worth a lot of money.
I used to see this all the time when people brought in their beat-up
comic books to the comic store where I worked. Them: "But it's old!
It's from the 60s!" Me: "But it's beat to hell and not worth that much
in mint condition." At least then I could refer them to the
Overstreet price guide to back up my opinion. There isn't enouhg of a
market for vintage computers to have a reliable price guide. There's
that one vintage computer book that has prices in it, but they're all
the prices of "here at MIT we are tripping over VT100s in the gutter
on every corner" variety.
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31 Dec
31 Dec
1:05 p.m.
On 12/30/2011 8:41 PM, Paxton Hoag wrote:
The seller sent me this info.
Hi the info i have is a Quantum Q2000 model #Q2020 serial# 6074 dated 2-9-82
scanner#1
cyclinder head drive is error free
the printer has a plate that says novell data systems
model 800S
serial # 2141
vac115
hertz60
made in USA
i havent gotten to the manuels and floppys yet i will try to send you
some pictures. thanks stan
I ask for info off the disks....
Enclosed is the info off the manuals and diskettes the pictures will
follow.thanks stan
Novell 2010 system operators manual preliminary
dated dec. 7 1981
first in its class of desktop computers
15 inch display winchester drive and cp/m operating system
Supercale manual, diskette unopened by sorcim
licenced fmt IBM 3740 serial 100-801 ver 1.04
dated 7-1981 plus registration card
Micropro Datastar unopened
Datastar 1.101 diskette and manual
DS7307KS plus registration card dated 9-23-80
Supersort 1.6 Operators Handbook and programmers guide
Dated 9-30-81
wordstar for Nexus 1 installation manual
I am beginning to think he is a real seller, misguided about the price.
Paxton
As my daddy used to say, "Don't ascribe to malice what can as easily be
ascribed to ignorance..." (or incompetence - depending on the situation)
Rob.
5:27 p.m.
On 31/12/11 4:05 PM, Rob Doyle wrote:
On 12/30/2011 8:41 PM, Paxton Hoag wrote:
I never meant to imply that the auction wasn't genuine. Just that the
language is disturbingly reminiscent of 419s. It may just be the
seller's personality coming through, even if this one is a real listing.
--T
The seller sent me this info.
...
I am beginning to think he is a real seller, misguided about the price.
Paxton
As my daddy used to say, "Don't ascribe to malice what can as easily be
ascribed to ignorance..." (or incompetence - depending on the situation)
Rob.
28 Dec
28 Dec
6:31 a.m.
New subject: ebay/419/R@RE!/G0LD!/desperation - Re: Computer like no other,unique
On 27/12/11 10:54 PM, Dave Caroline wrote:
I got an answer from the seller!
A rare 20MB Novell CPM computer built on or about 1985. It works, has
an image printer, and cable. In addition to working software, has
Wordstar, Datastar, complete set of books for the operating system,
and all software in addition to disk to restore all software. This
system is for the collector who wishes to posses this original system.
The operating system was used as the basis for current operating
systems. Cases included. This is indeed a rare find. This computer is
a collecters item not available anywhere, it
was purchased by an employee of novell an is in working order, this
computer is sure to increase in value very rapidly as it is only
available through this offering. serious offers only all cons or
persons trying to engage in online scams will be reported to ebay as
well as law enforment officers. shipping is extra as the cases vary in
weight and are quite heavy. Dont let this oportunity to own this
memorabilia that is at the forefront of the internet age
This sounds like a similar brand of English to your typical 419 scam.
:D
From the style could it be earlier and from
Novell Data Systems which
the company started as and were a computer manufacturer.
Dave Caroline
7:19 a.m.
New subject: ebay/419/R@RE!/G0LD!/desperation - Re: Computer like no other, unique
> I got an answer from the seller!
>
> A rare 20MB Novell CPM computer built on or about 1985. It works,
I got the same message and have written back asking for more
information. I don't think Novell made computers but put their name on
other manufacturers systems.
I also asked if the Head latch is locked on the HD. If it is a 20 meg
like he says it is probably a Quantum 2020.
I also asked what the labels on the diskettes for the OS say.
We will see...it is going to get no bids because of the ridiculous
price. I do like the travel cases.
I am very suspicious but if ti is a scam I don't mind playing along.
Paxton
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