10 Jan
2012
10 Jan
'12
7:08 a.m.
Does anyone have an idea of what color "Hazeltine Green" (phosphor) is,
or might be, or where that info could be found?
My question is regarding web and programmatic simulations of green
phosphor monitors. (in an attempt to be somewhat accurate and also have
them look "right")
-- Quinn
10 Jan
10 Jan
7:51 a.m.
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012, Popeye wrote:
Does anyone have an idea of what color "Hazeltine
Green" (phosphor) is,
or might be, or where that info could be found?
Seems like `Hazeltine' was more of a company than anything else, which
produced machines for the movie industry:
"A machine which a color time at a lab or optical house uses to
determine how to 'time' a film print for the proper amounts of red,
blue, and green light. Also called a color analyzer."
And this link should suit you in this quest,
http://superuser.com/questions/361297/what-colour-is-the-dark-green-on-old-…
.
Regards,
Sander
P.S. Any chance of this for X11/Windows? :)
http://ldopa.net/2006/01/14/glterminal/
1:58 p.m.
New subject: glterminal (was: Hazeltine Green)
In article <CACStewYpiEieJn6Cbjwgjwbs5oAx+tFcPcf6kC5yRa2mo4LfbQ at mail.gmail.com>,
Sander Reiche <sander.reiche at gmail.com> writes:
P.S. Any chance of this for X11/Windows? :)
http://ldopa.net/2006/01/14/glterminal/
It does the curved effect with textures using OpenGL. That should run
under X11 or Windows on a PC. It won't run on older X terminals that
don't have GLX.
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2:08 p.m.
In article <4F0C2A31.1060002 at p-t-b.com>,
Popeye Theophilus Barrnumb <popeye at p-t-b.com> writes:
Does anyone have an idea of what color "Hazeltine
Green" (phosphor) is,
or might be, or where that info could be found?
I'd see if you can find some sort of technical specification that
listed the phosphor composition and then look it up in a CRC Phosphor
handbook (there's one on google books).
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5:48 p.m.
On 01/10/2012 07:08 AM, Popeye Theophilus Barrnumb wrote:
Does anyone have an idea of what color "Hazeltine
Green" (phosphor) is,
or might be, or where that info could be found?
My question is regarding web and programmatic simulations of green
phosphor monitors. (in an attempt to be somewhat accurate and also have
them look "right")
-- Quinn
It's standard P1 phosphor used for CRTs. P1 phosphor is a medium
persistence green
used for many CRTs and common in older oscilloscopes (most common was
the 3ap1
and 5up1/5rp1).
The CRTS used back then for data terminals were 13 or 15xxP1 types where
the XX
were one of a large set of letters used for magnetic deflection CRTs of
various
deflection angles.
Other CRTs were the P5(short blue) P7 (short blue, long yellow[ish])
common for radar
applications and P4 (black and white TV).
FYI: the persistence was a factor in color choice. The green P1 was
about right as was P4
the amber/orange had too long a persistence and made for very smeary
looking screens.
The Short blues were prone to flicker and hard to look at for hours. it
was the mid 80 when
Color CRT phosphors were applied to monochrome tubes and DEC had a very
good
Amber and a shorter green for the late VT100- and the VT2xx series would
add a
whiter white (DEC paper white).
Generally pre 1979 all Hazeltine green monitors/terminals were P1, they
also did an white P4.
I can say this as I worked there for a while (15xx and 14xx terminals).
I used a lot of 1100
and 1200 series terminals.
Allison
11 Jan
11 Jan
2:19 p.m.
In article <4F0CC057.2080609 at verizon.net>,
allison <ajp166 at verizon.net> writes:
It's standard P1 phosphor used for CRTs. [...]
You can find this on page 514 of the "Phosphor Handbook" on google
books: <http://books.google.com/books?id=lWlcJEDukRIC>
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11:59 a.m.
On Thursday 12 January 2012, Christian Corti wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012, Richard wrote:
You can preview a good deal of the book - from the Cover to page 348
Lyle
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You can find this on page 514 of the
"Phosphor Handbook" on google
books: <http://books.google.com/books?id=lWlcJEDukRIC>
You can't read that book on Google books; it's not available. 
1:04 p.m.
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012, Lyle Bickley wrote:
On Thursday 12 January 2012, Christian Corti wrote:
No, I can't. There's no single page. Perhaps Google is offering you a
pirated copy of the book, but here, there's just nothing except the
possibility to write a review and export the citation.
Christian
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012, Richard wrote:
You can preview a good deal of the book - from the Cover to page 348 You can find this on page 514 of the
"Phosphor Handbook" on google
books: <http://books.google.com/books?id=lWlcJEDukRIC>
You can't read that book on Google books; it's not available. 
1:40 p.m.
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012, Christian Corti wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012, Lyle Bickley wrote:
Click on the cover.
*rolls eyes*
g.
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On Thursday 12 January 2012, Christian Corti
wrote:
No, I can't. There's no single page. Perhaps Google is offering you a pirated
copy of the book, but here, there's just nothing except the possibility to
write a review and export the citation.
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012, Richard wrote:
You can preview a good deal of the book - from the Cover to page 348 You can find this on page 514 of the
"Phosphor Handbook" on google
books: <http://books.google.com/books?id=lWlcJEDukRIC>
You can't read that book on Google books; it's not available. 
7:08 p.m.
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:40:14AM -0800, Gene Buckle wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012, Christian Corti wrote:
Which does nothing for me (from Switzerland).
Free hint: not all members of this list are inside the US. Not all services
available inside the US are available from outside the US.
With Google Books especially there are limitations in how you can use
the service depending on geocode: it is fully launched in the US and
AFAIK launched in the UK, meaning you get access to content and can buy
ebooks where available[0]. From other places, the service is much more
restricted.
Kind regards,
Alex.
[0] When I was physically in the US, I could attempt to buy books from
Google books but checkout failed because I had a *gasp* *horror*
Swiss credit card, not a US one. I bloody damn well _hate_
geo restricted services.[1]
[1] Yes, especially for content[2], the rights holders[3] are usually to
blame, not the folks trying to (legally) sell said content.
[2] books, movies, music ...
[3] and the laws they buy
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2012, Lyle Bickley wrote:
Click on the cover.
*rolls eyes* On Thursday 12 January 2012, Christian Corti
wrote:
No, I can't. There's no single page. Perhaps Google is offering
you a pirated copy of the book, but here, there's just nothing
except the possibility to write a review and export the citation.
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012, Richard wrote:
>You can find this on page 514 of the "Phosphor Handbook" on google
>books: <http://books.google.com/books?id=lWlcJEDukRIC>
You can't read that book on Google books; it's not available.
You can preview a good deal of the book - from the Cover to page 348 
12 Jan
12 Jan
1:58 p.m.
On 12 Jan 2012 at 19:04, Christian Corti wrote:
No, I can't. There's no single page. Perhaps
Google is offering you a
pirated copy of the book, but here, there's just nothing except the
possibility to write a review and export the citation.
A substantial part of the book is available, at least on my system.
I simply click on the image of the cover of the book and it (slowly)
loads. There are missing pages, yet there is much useful
information.
--Chuck
3:44 p.m.
On 2012 Jan 12, at 10:58 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 12 Jan 2012 at 19:04, Christian Corti wrote:
There seems to be a variety of experiences with google books.
I can't find any content at the link that was provided earlier in the
thread (the cover is not an active link as I experience it here),
however, another copy or version on google books:
http://books.google.ca/books?id=I9O1K20-
uo4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=phosphor
+handbook&hl=en#v=onepage&q=phosphor%20handbook&f=false
presents a lot of the book. I found EIA phosphor P1 listed on page
617 (did the page numbers change between versions?).
.. ?
No, I can't. There's no single page.
Perhaps Google is offering you a
pirated copy of the book, but here, there's just nothing except the
possibility to write a review and export the citation.
A substantial part of the book is available, at least on my system.
I simply click on the image of the cover of the book and it (slowly)
loads. There are missing pages, yet there is much useful
information.
13 Jan
13 Jan
5:02 a.m.
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012, Brent Hilpert wrote:
There seems to be a variety of experiences with google
books.
I can't find any content at the link that was provided earlier in the thread
(the cover is not an active link as I experience it here), however, another
copy or version on google books:
http://books.google.ca/books?id=I9O1K20-uo4C&printsec=frontcover&dq…
Nope, doesn't work here.
Christian
12:37 p.m.
On 13 Jan 2012 at 11:02, Christian Corti wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012, Brent Hilpert wrote:
> There seems to be a variety of experiences with google books.
>
> I can't find any content at the link that was provided earlier in
> the thread (the cover is not an active link as I experience it
> here), however, another copy or version on google books:
>
> http://books.google.ca/books?id=I9O1K20-uo4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=
> phosphor+handbook&hl=en#v=onepage&q=phosphor%20handbook&f=false
Well, perhaps some kind soul has installed GooReader and will
download the book and send it out your way.
--Chuck
12 Jan
12 Jan
4:37 p.m.
From: Chuck Guzis: Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:58 AM
A substantial part of the book is available, at least
on my system.
I simply click on the image of the cover of the book and it (slowly)
loads. There are missing pages, yet there is much useful
information.
These pages where you have to guess what to do torque me off...
This one is especially bad because the "Preview this book ?"
link doesn't go to the same place, and as far as I can tell, will
*not* let you see page 514.
Anyway...
You can click on the picture of the book, then fix the URL to look
like this:
http://books.google.com/books?id=lWlcJEDukRIC&pg=PA514&lpg=PP1
Or you can go to the bottom, click on "Page 456", then click forward
until you get there. Every 10 pages or so it tells you that you've seen
all you are going to get -- just ignore that and keep clicking forward.
Eventually, you'll get to:
http://books.google.com/books?id=lWlcJEDukRIC&pg=PA514&lpg=PA456
Such fun.
Vince
7:21 p.m.
Here's an alternative, still on google books though:
Practical Applications of Phosphors
By William M. Yen, Shigeo Shionoya, Hajime Yamamoto
http://books.google.ca/books?id=b61jkO-
ZKkwC&pg=PA420&lpg=PA420&dq=p1+phosphor
+wavelength&source=bl&ots=bp0pgdGf0N&sig=mP9jCJxzhDv-gfIyab-
FhWHSXb4&hl=en#v=onepage&q=p1%20phosphor%20wavelength&f=false
A search for "P1 phosphor wavelength" took me straight to page 421
which mentions P1 (ZnSiO4:Mn), and a graph of the spectrum on page 422.
.. Mentions PDP phosphors but I think that's a different PDP ..
4:17 p.m.
Christian,
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 07:04:53PM +0100, Christian Corti wrote:
No, I can't. There's no single page. Perhaps
Google is offering you
a pirated copy of the book, but here, there's just nothing except
the possibility to write a review and export the citation.
Based on your e-mail address I think I know the problem. I've heard that
for some Google full and/or partial views are only available to folks in the
US. I'm in the US. I tried looking at the book in question and I do have a
"preview book" link available. If you don't see a "preview book"
link when
you try to view the book it's probably because you're not in the US.
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12:18 p.m.
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:08:32 +0100
From: cc at informatik.uni-stuttgart.de
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Hazeltine Green
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012, Richard wrote:
Its there, go to google books and type the title
You can find this on page 514 of the
"Phosphor Handbook" on google
books: <http://books.google.com/books?id=lWlcJEDukRIC>
You can't read that book on Google books; it's not available.
Christian
12:24 p.m.
In article <alpine.DEB.2.02.1201121107570.29758 at linuxserv.home>,
Christian Corti <cc at informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> writes:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012, Richard wrote:
Funny, I was reading page 514 when I posted that. Maybe you're
referring to not being able to see every single page, but they still
have these things called libraries and used book sellers.
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You can find this on page 514 of the
"Phosphor Handbook" on google
books: <http://books.google.com/books?id=lWlcJEDukRIC>
You can't read that book on Google books; it's not available.
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