30 Jan
30 Jan
10 p.m.
Where did the
name "Foonly" come from?
google "FOO NLI" 
10:16 p.m.
Al Kossow wrote:
Foonly made its way into the DEC schematic system (SUDS, Stanford
University Design System) too, which ran on PDP-10s using VS60s as
remote graphics terminals. The default name of the 'Drawn by' engineer
was 'S. Foonly'. Look on the 11/44 computer-drawn schematic pages.
Where did the
name "Foonly" come from?
google "FOO NLI"
31 Jan
31 Jan
8:46 a.m.
On Jan 31, 2007, at 1:16 AM, Don North wrote:
Foonly made its way into the DEC schematic system
(SUDS, Stanford
University Design System) too, which ran on PDP-10s using VS60s as
remote graphics terminals. The default name of the 'Drawn by'
engineer was 'S. Foonly'. Look on the 11/44 computer-drawn
schematic pages.
Mmmm, SUDS. I'd love to give that a try. Is there a copy of it
floating around?
Umm, and how rare are VS60s these days?
-Dave
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10:17 a.m.
In article <F4C36BFB-692E-4E32-9003-D9607E8B2E0E at neurotica.com>,
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
Umm, and how rare are VS60s these days?
Two years of looking and coming up empty.
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3:55 p.m.
On 31/1/07 23:09, "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On Jan 31, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Richard wrote:
Bummer. :-( I had a VS100 at one point, probably fifteen years
ago, but I've no idea what happened to it.
I'm not even going to *begin* thinking about the things I've missed out on
saving in the last 30 years, don't get me started; maybe this is the why I'm
doing this today.....
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Umm,
and how rare are VS60s these days?
Two years of looking and coming up empty.
1 Feb
1 Feb
8:59 a.m.
On Jan 31, 2007, at 6:55 PM, Adrian Graham wrote:
Bummer. :-( I had a VS100 at one point, probably fifteen years
ago, but I've no idea what happened to it.
I'm not even going to *begin* thinking about the things I've missed
out on
saving in the last 30 years, don't get me started; maybe this is
the why I'm
doing this today.....
Yes, I've had quite a few "slap the forehead and yell 'DOH!'"
moments. :-( I'm definitely a lot more careful nowadays than I was
years ago.
-Dave
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Port Charlotte, FL
Umm, and
how rare are VS60s these days?
Two years of looking and coming up empty. 
31 Jan
31 Jan
10:42 a.m.
On Jan 31, 2007, at 1:16 AM, Don North wrote:
To the best of my knowledge it is lost. If copies exist, the people that
have them aren't talking. ISTR, there might also be a problem with getting
an OS to run on, I believe it expects to run on WAITS (Westcoast Alternative
to ITS).
Zane
Foonly made its way into the DEC schematic system
(SUDS, Stanford
University Design System) too, which ran on PDP-10s using VS60s as
remote graphics terminals. The default name of the 'Drawn by'
engineer was 'S. Foonly'. Look on the 11/44 computer-drawn
schematic pages.
Mmmm, SUDS. I'd love to give that a try. Is there a copy of it
floating around? 
10:55 a.m.
"Zane H. Healy" wrote:
I know the XKL folks were using it. I could swear someone I know made some
mods to it in the past 10 years (hmm.. note to self :-) I believe the "update"
was to make it work with X11.
Anyone know any of the XKL folks?
-brad
Mmmm, SUDS. I'd love to give that a try. Is there a copy of it
floating around?
To the best of my knowledge it is lost. If copies exist, the people that
have them aren't talking. ISTR, there might also be a problem with getting
an OS to run on, I believe it expects to run on WAITS (Westcoast Alternative
to ITS).
11:11 a.m.
I know the XKL folks were using it. I could swear
someone I know made some
mods to it in the past 10 years (hmm.. note to self :-) I believe the
"update" was to make it work with X11.
Anyone know any of the XKL folks?
-brad
That might make a lot of sense, I believe that the main reason for doing the
XKL-1 was so that they could continue to use their existing CAD tools. If
this is the case they likely have it working with the X11 software running
on the XKL-1. Which brings up another problem, I don't believe that X11
will run on any of the emulators, and I'm not aware of any copies of it in
the wild.
Here is a question, is any of this on the Panda distribution from Mark
Crispin? I don't believe so, but then I've also not had time to boot it.
BTW, questions of this level would be better answered on alt.sys.pdp10
Zane
10:53 a.m.
Dave McGuire wrote:
Mmmm, SUDS. I'd love to give that a try. Is there a copy of it
floating around?
me too! I have lots of SUDS cad files but no SUDS executable.
Umm, and how rare are VS60s these days?
And, if I did have one, has anyone written an emulator for a VS60?
would it be hard?
I thought, however, SUDS used some other terminal in some sort of emulation
mode...
-brad
11:03 a.m.
In article <200701311853.l0VIrZBF026966 at mwave.heeltoe.com>,
Brad Parker <brad at heeltoe.com> writes:
And, if I did have one, has anyone written an emulator
for a VS60?
would it be hard?
From what I can tell it was driven by a serial port and
in looking
around I thought I saw docs describing the protocol, so if you can get
something that generates the chatter you could stick something on the
other end of that serial line and emulate the output.
Most stuff from that era also talks Tektronix 4010 and everything
emulates that, whether its physical terminals or terminal emulators.
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12:30 p.m.
New subject: Foonly & SUDS
Richard wrote:
In article <200701311853.l0VIrZBF026966 at
mwave.heeltoe.com>,
Brad Parker <brad at heeltoe.com> writes:
As described in another thread by Al, the VS60 was a VT48 display subsystem
using a local 11/34 processor. The VT48 display was BIG (20" or so diameter)
and was a vector/stroke display processor with a light pen interface and
button box. Too many lines on your schematic and it would start to flicker.
As I used it for SUDS at DEC, we ran the VS60 back to a TOPS-10 system via
dedicated high speed serial lines (KMC11 IIRC). The VS60 (11/34 + VT48) ran
a custom program that implemented the SUDS display subsystem. SUDS actually
ran on the PDP-10 (a KL10 running TOPS-10 v7.xx); the VS60 was just a big
display terminal.
I don't know that I ever heard what the 'S' in 'S.Foonly' was supposed
to
stand for ... maybe SUDS or Stanford, I guess.
And, if I did have one, has anyone written an
emulator for a VS60?
would it be hard?
From what I can tell it was driven by a serial
port and in looking
around I thought I saw docs describing the protocol, so if you
can get
something that generates the chatter you could stick something on the
other end of that serial line and emulate the output.
Most stuff from that era also talks Tektronix 4010 and everything
emulates that, whether its physical terminals or terminal emulators.
11:26 a.m.
New subject: SUDS (was Foonly)
Dave McGuire wrote:
Mmmm, SUDS. I'd love to give that a try. Is there a copy of it
floating around?
Take a look here:
http://www.unlambda.com/download/suds/suds.tar.gz
It's a few manuals for SUDS and (I think) an ITS executable. I'm not
sure, however, might be tops-20. I can figure it out exactly which
machine they came from in a few days.
I only had time for a quick search, sorry (work - always in the way of
my fun :-) trying to fix some verilog bugs in someone else's code before
tomorrow.
-brad
7:53 a.m.
Al Kossow wrote:
for that matter, look up "Mathematical Applications Group, Inc" (a.k.a.
MAGI) in Wikipedia...
I wonder what happened to all that fortran code. Ken Perlin was one
smart guy (but I always like Larry Elin's flying tanks :-)
-brad
Where did the
name "Foonly" come from?
google "FOO NLI"
10:43 a.m.
On 31/1/07 05:55, "Al Kossow" <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
Heh, excellent! That's the sort of story I love passing on to people who are
otherwise ignorant of it and ask 'why', like 'why are DEC manuals full of
filenames like foo.bar?' and 'why do you have 2 vaxen called FOO and BAR?'
:)
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Where did the
name "Foonly" come from?
google "FOO NLI"
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