On 12/8/2017 3:50 PM, Jerry Weiss wrote:
> On Dec 8, 2017, at 2:25 PM, John Welch via cctech <cctech at classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I am reviving an 11/34. Cards are:
>>
>> Back/Fans [M8266--------] Front of machine where keypad is.
>> [M8265--------]
>> [M9312] [M7859]
>> [M7762--------]
>> [OPEN] [M7860]
>> [M7840--------]
>> Bus grant in third from front slot
>> [M9302] [M7856]
>> The 7856 is hooked to a cable/null modem (i think)/PC running
XP&Hyperterminal
>>
>> When I first powered on the programmers console said '7' and I powered
off, then back on, and now it says '5'
>>
>> Any suggestions as to what to try first? I may have the bus grant in backwards.
I have other boards I can try.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> John Welch
>> :qw
>>
>
> 1) The G727A bus grant card is keyed (somewhat). It should be in Row D (fourth
from the back)
> It won?t seat evenly if reversed. At least that is what my scraped knuckles
remember.
>
> You can temporarily pull it out to finish the check out. There?s nothing past
the
> M7840 that requires DMA.
Ignore this last suggestion (see below).
2) Check the baud rate, stop bits and parity settings on both the Hyperterminal and the
M785 to make sure they match.
3) Are you seeing a single 7 or 5 on KY11-LB Programmer Console or on the
Hyperterminal?
An other status led?s lit on the KY11-LB?
4) I don?t see any memory listed? Do you have any M7847?s?
5) Grab a copy of EK-11034-UG-001 PDP-11-34 System User?s Manual for more info.
Jerry
On Dec 8, 2017, at 5:26 PM, John Welch via cctech <cctech at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Update:
This is the map of the machine:
........................ AAA BBB CCC DDD EEE FFF ....................
(Rear/Fans/Power Supply) 1 [M8266----------------] (Front/Keypad/DC ON)
........................ 2 [M8265----------------] ....................
........................ 3 [M9312] [M7859--------] ....................
........................ 4 [M7891----------------] ....................
........................ 5 [M7762----------------] ....................
........................ 6 [M7860--------] ....................
........................ 7 [M7840----------------] ....................
........................ 8 GNT ....................
........................ 9 [M9302] [M7856--------] ....................
........................ AAA BBB CCC DDD EEE FFF ....................
Reseating the ribbon cable on the M7859 changed the display. I have replaced the M7840
with a G7273.
Now when I power on it says (dim)0, (bright)0, blank, (dim)0, blank, blank.
I have reseated the M7859, I don't think I have another one.
Maybe I should hit it with a vacuum.
I had forgotten about needing to cut a wire for DMA. Can you give me a refresher on how
to tell which slots are cut? I remember having to turn the chassis over and looking for a
particular wire but that was >15 years ago.
Your update has a M7891 (MS11) which addresses the memory questions.
The Programmers Console display is not correct. It should be 7 digits, either 0000000
when running or some other data or address value.
Check the cable orientation. see
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp11/1134/KY11-LB_Mai…
<http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp11/1134/KY11-LB_MaintMan.pdf>
chapter 9.
A light cleaning and reseating all the boards is an easy place to start.
For NPG changes see
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp11/1134/1134_UsersM…
<http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp11/1134/1134_UsersManual.pdf>
section 4.2.2.2
Ignore my earlier comment about leaving out the G727a. I had slipped into QBUS thinking
mode in error.
On Dec 8, 2017, at 5:49 PM, John Welch <jcwelch at
hal-pc.org> wrote:
I also have an 11/04 that I went and drug out. It is configured like this:
11/04:
........................ AAA BBB CCC DDD EEE FFF ....................
(Rear/Fans/Power Supply) 1 [M7263----------------] (Front/Keypad/DC ON)
........................ 2 [M7847----------------] ....................
........................ 3 [M7859--------] ....................
........................ 4 [M7847----------------] ....................
........................ 5 GNT ....................
........................ 6 [M7762----------------] ....................
........................ 7 [M7840----------------] ....................
........................ 8 [DILOG--------] ....................
........................ 9 {nothing} ....................
........................ AAA BBB CCC DDD EEE FFF ....................
I am thinking I could put a M9203/M7856 into slot 9, and find a M9312 for slot 3 and
maybe this would fire up. Any suggestions?
The 11/04 and 11/34a are of the same engineering cycle, so share these parts. See
http://www.pdp-11.nl/pdp11-34a/cpu/options/bootstrap-info.html
<http://www.pdp-11.nl/pdp11-34a/cpu/options/bootstrap-info.html>
and
http://www.bitsavers.org/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/pdf/EK-11004-OP-001%…
<http://www.bitsavers.org/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/pdf/EK-11004-OP-001%20PDP-11-04%20System%20User's%20Manual.pdf>
I believe the cabling for the M7859 is a little different between the two See Section A
in the 11/04 Manual.
Jerry