<>landfills. Badly yellowed board and plastic, crumbling at a touch,
<>all traces gone, thin parts eaten away, thick layer rust covering
<>seized up drives, riddled with rustout holes in cases, blackened
<>glass. Hard and darkened as soapstone that once was solder joints.
<>Mass of green strings with bits of faded colored platic material
Actually there are people that have looked into landfills that are in the
100-200 years old range and they have found things in an amazing state of
preservation. Some cases there were newspapers in the middle of the stack
that were as fresh as printed in appearance. Yet in another layer old
papers were completely composted. I'd suspect that old technology would
be found the same way, some just oxidized piles and others completly
intact.
Allison
> Roger Ivie wrote:
> >
> > >It'll be nice when Caldera follows up on their promise to release the
> > >source code for CP/M and DR-DOS (now OpenDOS). _That_ will definitely
> > >have some results on-topic for this mailing list.
> http://cdl.uta.edu/cpm/
>
> My ISP's nameserver can't track that down. And I tried filling it in as
> "utah" as well, knowing the approximate geography of Caldera.
This is the unofficial CP/M site; it's not run by Caldera, but by someone
who was willing to argue with Caldera long enough to get permission to put
the stuff up. It's being hosted by a machine at University of Texas at
Arlington: UTA.
Here's what my machine gives me when i nslookup cdl.uta.edu:
Name: dave.uta.edu
Address: 129.107.2.554
Aliases: cdl.uta.edu
> I'd post
> that private, but now that I _know_ that the OpenDOS kernel source is at
> the caldera.com site (and is only marginally within our charter), the
> CP/M source location becomes crucial to maintaining my self-respect in
> this forum. Or something like that.
IIRC, the CP/M 2.2 sources are available _somewhere_ on the caldera site,
but they're password protected and you have to find the right form to submit
to get the password, etc.
The unofficial site includes source to CP/M 2.2, 3.0, and 68K...
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
Out of curiosity has anyone else with web pages dealing with classic
computers been contacted by someone that wants to dispose of your
collection as scrap? Talk about insulting!
Zane
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>>Ummm... RedHat, Caldera, and Debian can all use RPMS. Packages that
>> aren't RPMed are usually .tar.gz or .tgz and can be installed by RTFMing.
>Thanks, just wondering... :) But when I use the program to manage
>all s/w much like the win95's feature, will this kind still work?
I don't know about the others, but pre-install Debian has a program that
lets you choose filesystem types. There are also options on dselect.
(Debian's version of RPM. It's a lot simplier, but still more powerful than
NT will be for sometime to come.)
Tim D. Hotze
> they go to landfill. You see, at our local landfills there is a company
> called Revolve that has scavenging rights, and rescues all this stuff.
> I've picked up a Tandy CoCo 3 with box, manuals and some software, a
> Commodore 64 with Datasette, music keyboard overlay, manuals, software and
> box, a Commodore 128, a Commodore 1541-II and 1571 floppy drive,a BBC Model
> B with floppy drive, an Atari 1024STfm with monitor, a Amstrad CPC464 with
> monitor and an Apple IIe with disk drive, all for about $5 to $10 each.
> All of them except the Atari ST worked fine at first switch-on (the ST
> still doesn't work - I suspect a memory fault). I also managed to pick
> up four Vectrex cartridges for $2. It's now got to the point that
> people often drop their stuff off directly at Revolve rather than
> dumping it at the landfill (especially now the local government has
> instituted a fee to dump stuff at the landfill).
>
> Of course, the only problem is that since all the stuff is stored outside
> you have to get to it before the rain hits...
You lucky beggar! I wish there was something like that around here
(central England)!
Rain is not as bad as many people think. The water is (fairly) pure,
and things often only need drying. When I upgraded my Commodore 8296 to
an 8296D, the parts came from a machine in the skip at work - some of
them I had to dig out of the snow...
Philip.
Sure. I've seen 486/33DX systems with 4MB of RAM and Windows 3.1 go for
around $275. So 386's don't sell for that... but still... and you could
sell high-end 486's for much more than that. Heck, AMD even made the X5, a
586 compatible processor for 486/DX4 motherboards that works at 133MHz.
Those go for around $500.
-----Original Message-----
From: jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca <jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: I don't believe this ****
> That's TERRIBLE. I mean 486 parts can even get SOLD AS-IS for a decent
sum
> of money. The whole system goes for a couple hundred. So if they're
going
> to scrap 'em.... but anyway, lots of schools, non-profit orginazations,
etc.
> would love to have decent 386's, and 486's would be better. Sure, you
can't
> play Quake on 'em, but a 386 was designed with 10 years of x86 software in
> mind.
Yepper! I would beat up that one because of several things also
real nice to donate those to schools, etc and including me looking
for some parts to fix some other items. AS IS at that price? No
way!
Jason D.
Oops... well, scratch that. but the Romans DID conquer, the Eqyptians DID
kill, the Sumerians did a few things, and the Greeks... well, let's just say
that they didn't really mind war. OK?
-----Original Message-----
From: Wirehead Prime <wirehead(a)retrocomputing.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: I don't believe this ****
>
>
>> And, as history has proven, it is easy to destroy, as the Romans,
>> Egyptians, Sumerians, and Greeks did, but it is so hard to CREATE and
>> PRESERVE. That's why we must try to save these things. Eventually, when
>
>Uhhhhhhh....hmmmmmmm...never mind, it'd be off topic.
>
>Anthony Clifton - Wirehead
>
classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
Subj: Re: UNIX questions?
Barry Peterson wrote:
!On Sun, 4 Jan 98 01:17:06 PST, you said:
!
!<snip>
!
!>A web page discussing flavors and ports
!>at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/BSD-info/BSD.html seems to be inaccesible
!>at this time.=20
!
!I just checked it; it's there.
Thanks for the reminder, I can see it now too.
Bruce Lane had a question about netbooting BSD on a DEC 3100 MIPs machine.
I thought that I had squirreled away some info on it - but it turns out
to be pertinent to VAX not MIPs. If it is of any use to anyone herein
was the posting to the linux-vax list from this past Oct 6:
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To: pvhp(a)forte.com
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I've reworked the HOWTO using the Linux Documentation Project's
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flavor and a super-nifty HTML version.
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Peter Prymmer
>It'll be nice when Caldera follows up on their promise to release the
>source code for CP/M and DR-DOS (now OpenDOS). _That_ will definitely
>have some results on-topic for this mailing list.
http://cdl.uta.edu/cpm/
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
At 21:25 5/01/98 -0600, Anthony Clifton wrote:
>
>> Anything other than 486+
>> get's melted down for scrap? I'm sorry, but that includes A LOT of systems
>> that there are a lot of people that would love to have them.
>
>You guys know that I agree with your sentiment 100%. That said, I'd
>rather see the systems melted down for scrap (assuming it's a reasonably
>efficient and environmentally safe process) than to see them go into a
>landfill. I can't imagine how many beautiful systems are rusting away
>under 3 million tons of garbage someplace. I don't want to see them
>scrapped either, mind you, but given the choice....
Actually, here in Canberra (which is the capital of Australia, *not* Sydney
or Melbourne (off topic, but one of my pet peeves, sorry)), I'd much prefer
they go to landfill. You see, at our local landfills there is a company
called Revolve that has scavenging rights, and rescues all this stuff.
I've picked up a Tandy CoCo 3 with box, manuals and some software, a
Commodore 64 with Datasette, music keyboard overlay, manuals, software and
box, a Commodore 128, a Commodore 1541-II and 1571 floppy drive,a BBC Model
B with floppy drive, an Atari 1024STfm with monitor, a Amstrad CPC464 with
monitor and an Apple IIe with disk drive, all for about $5 to $10 each.
All of them except the Atari ST worked fine at first switch-on (the ST
still doesn't work - I suspect a memory fault). I also managed to pick up
four Vectrex cartridges for $2. It's now got to the point that people
often drop their stuff off directly at Revolve rather than dumping it at
the landfill (especially now the local government has instituted a fee to
dump stuff at the landfill).
Of course, the only problem is that since all the stuff is stored outside
you have to get to it before the rain hits...
Regards,
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