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Subj: RE: Re[4]: Development, round II
Bob Withers wrote in response to Kip Crosby who wrote in response
to someone else:
>IIRC they started officially calling it Warp with V2.0, the
>first release following the Microsoft/IBM breakup.
That sounds about right to me. I had read somewhere that there was a general
Star Trek theme to code names for OS/2 and the first was "Borg" - but I may
be wrong about that. I have floppy and CD-ROM boxes from IBM on the shelf
above me that have the name "OS/2 Warp Version 3" on them*. OS/2 Version 4
was called "Warp Connect" to emphasize the ease of internet connectivity.
The next version was to have a different Star Trek name altogether but I do
not recall what it was supposed to have been.
Peter Prymmer
*for the curious: system requirements on the box for Warp 3.0 were listed as
"Intel 386 SX-compatible of higher; 4 MB minimum of RAM" (<- widely regarded
as a joke among OS/2 users who knew that 8 MB RAM was a minimally configured
system).
At 09:20 PM 1/30/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Question: when did parallel ports become bi-directional (i.e., useable for
>zip drives and such)?
I've seen bi-directional capability in the BIOS of a GRiD 286 desktop
before. Before that, I can't really say.
>Or, to put it another way, how likely would I be able to (ignoring software
>issues for the moment) hook up my new SyJet drive to say, my m100? What
>about my DG-1?
That would be really cool, but sort of overkill, don'tcha think? I'd be
happy with a 1.44mb or 1.2mb floppy on an M100.
>(P.S., off-topic tip: The Parallel port SyJet is really a SCSI-2 SyJet
>with a fancy cable; if you've already got SCSI, and can maybe use the
>Parallel port feature...)
"What about the parallel version of the EZFlyer 230?" He said, still quite
untopically.
-John Higginbotham-
-limbo.netpath.net-
Well, a 15 character limit's not bad to me at all. Actually, I've gotten
used to 8 with MS-DOS, which I still use when I want something DONE.
Actually, I was wondering what the heck Microsloth was thinking when they
made it 8 characters. And, the fact that in the next 5 FULL RELEASES
(Counting only the .0's, 2.0 3.0, 4.0, 5.0 and 6.0) nothing was done about
it.
Thanks,
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Saturday, January 31, 1998 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: Apple ][+ OS
>> On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com wrote:
>>
>> > look inside your ][+ and see if you have a language card. if so, you
have the
>> > 64k needed to run prodos. the latest and greatest version of prodos 8
won't
>> > run on a ][+ i think, only an enjanced //e. if you dont, you can only
run dos
>> > 3.3 i myself prefer both. i remember when prodos first came out and
everyone
>> > had an issue with the restrictive 15 character limit for filenames.
that was
>> > back before i worked with mess-dos and that 8.3 filename limit...
>>
>> The silliest thing they did was restrict spaces in filenames. You had to
>> use a period instead. Blech. Its funny when you think about it.
>> Intuitively and I'm sure without really think about it, Apple developed a
>> very human interface with DOS by allowing one to save files with very
>> readable names. Ie: "BIORHYTHM PROGRAM" or "PROGRAM TO BALANCE
CHECKBOOK"
>> (30 character limit). Then with ProDOS, they regressed into the
>> function-forces-form syndrome by limiting filenames to 15 characters and
>> requiring periods in place of spaces.
>
>Under Apple DOS 3.3, you can have anything in a filename you want.
>Control characters, inverse/flashing, the works. Makes for some
>pretty neat CATALOG listings, and is actually semi-workable as
>a "security through obscurity" step (though every Junior High kid
>knew how to bypass it...)
>
>DOS 3.3 made it easy and convenient to access filenames with embedded
>spaces. Too bad Unix shell command lines are traditionally brain-damaged
>such that spaces in filenames must be quoted.
>
>Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)
look inside your ][+ and see if you have a language card. if so, you have the
64k needed to run prodos. the latest and greatest version of prodos 8 won't
run on a ][+ i think, only an enjanced //e. if you dont, you can only run dos
3.3 i myself prefer both. i remember when prodos first came out and everyone
had an issue with the restrictive 15 character limit for filenames. that was
back before i worked with mess-dos and that 8.3 filename limit...
david
In a message dated 98-01-30 05:18:32 EST, you write:
<< OK... well, if I can't find anything else, I'll take the old copy, as I
think that you might want to hang on to the shrinkwrapped copy. I wouldn't
know what it was like, as I wasn't around when it was made. But, anyway,
I'll take the old copy, you can use the new one, as a "liscense", make a
backup copy of the disks, and then everyone's happy. ;-)
Thanks for the help, >>
I'm actually interested in getting a copy of Warp. Is it true taht there's
still another version coming out (I've heard rumors...)
Thanks,
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Prymmer <pvhp(a)forte.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Saturday, January 31, 1998 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: Re[4]: Development, round II
>classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
>Subj: Re: Re[4]: Development, round II
>
>
>Barry Peterson wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:41:15 -0600, you said:
>>
>>>
>>>IIRC they started officially calling it Warp with V2.0, the first =
>>release following the Microsoft/IBM breakup.
>>
>>I have a copy of 2.0; it is not called Warp. That started with version
>>3.
>
>The story that I read somewhere was that "Warp" was used internally at IBM.
>With version 3.0 they were explicit about it and put that name on the box.
>
>Peter Prymmer
>
>,
classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
Subj: Re: Development, round II
Max Eskin wrote:
>I just picked up a book on Macintosh Think C (MS Press, 50c, I didn't
>bother getting Macsbug and others, also 50c each). For one thing, does
>anyone have an extra/unvalued license copy of THINK C, version 2.1-5.0?
>Also, what was the first programming language (I mean not binary or
>assembly)?
According to Goldstine in "The Computer: from Pascal to von Neumann" the
first working modern stored program was a sorting routine that John von Neumann
wrote in roughly 1943 - and had working on the ENIAC/EDVAC by 1946/47, but
it was in machine code (binary).
An Assembler was available on the Princeton U/Institute for Advanced Study
EDSAC by the Fall of 1949. Herman Goldstine and John von Neumann wrote a
programming manual for it by 1951.
Short-code (which would by today's standards be classified as a type of
assembler) was available for UNIVAC machines by October 1952 thanks to
Logan, Schmit, and Tonik.
Heinz Rutishauser of the ETH in Zurich described the world's first compiler
in a preprint issued by ETH in 1952 (based in part on work that Konrad Zuse
had published in 1948/49).
Grace Hopper (who had started out working with H. Aiken at Harvard) developed
A0 then A1 and published results in the ACM Proceedings by 1952. By 1955 she
released A2 - which was popular on UNIVAC computers. She went on the become
instrumental in the development of COBOL.
FLOW-MATIC and MATH-MATIC were also available on Sperry computers in the
early(?) fifties. Remington Rand then developed a language called UNICODE by
1957/58 for use on UNIVAC 1103A and 1105 machines.
John Backus (et al.) at IBM developed: 1] Speedcoding in 1953 for the 701
2] FORTRAN starting in 1954 (which took 18 person years to develop, and
was released as Fortran I in 1956/57) 3] served on the international committee
that developed Algol (starting in 1959 but continuing through the 60s).
>Another thing: CP/M was run on just about everything, usually with
>about 64K ram. How is it that MS-DOS blew up to about 384K? What
>did they put in there?
A DOS kernel is distinct from a DOS installation. The DOS kernel is tiny
even for fairly recent versions. On a Dell boot disk for
MS-DOS (I think 6.22 and thus not classic) I see the following file sizes:
IO.SYS 40,774
MSDOS.SYS 38,138
COMMAND.COM 54,645
and on a bootable PC-DOS 7.0 (again not classic) partition I have:
IBMIO.COM 40,614
IBMDOS.COM 37,066
COMMAND.COM 52,956
and in either case the configuartion files AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS are
each less than 1 kB. The big user interface difference between these and CP/M
is the full hierarchical file system. Of course they also come with loads of
bloatware - but some of that is quite fun. e.g. PC-DOS can be optionally
installed with Rexx and I chose that option. I also have a couple of
different DPMI's available including the one for DJGPP.
Peter Prymmer
I recently received an HP-85 which was lying unused just next door!
It is in good cosmetic and mechanical shape but unfortunately it is not
operational. On power on, the indicator below the tape drive lights, but
the main power LED does not and nothing appears on the screen.. I assume
this indicates a PS problem.
Can anyone send me a copy of the service (and user) docs for this
machine? As always I would pay duplication and shipping costs.
--
Hans B. Pufal : <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com>
Comprehensive Computer Catalogue : <http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/>
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<>And you'll have to pardon my ignorance of the Intel parts after the 8085
<>but why wouldn't a 386 work if the 486 works? (Other than the speed
<>difference.) It has always been my impression that few OS's/application
<>need whatever extra software features that differentiate the 486 from th
<386.
The 486 was a series in incremental improvents over the 386, caching on
chip, more piplining and other changes to execute the same 386
instructions in fewer clocks plus the math processor as part of the same
silicon. With the scaling of transistors and other logic changes it was
effectively lower power and faster for the same clock as the 386 while
functionally identical.
Allison
I'm trying to make a new, blank "master" RT-11 RK05 disk pack from a
bunch of "user" disk packs. What files are considered to be part of the
"base" operating system.
Thanks again!
Rich Cini/WUGNET
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