Thanks to all who responded to my earlier plea for info about some of the
computers I've got in my collection! I've got the pages up (and fixed the
"\" <> "/" problem) for a dozen or so computers. Anyway, any info,
comments, suggestions, criticism, flames, etc. always welcome.
The page is at <http://www.sinasohn.com/clascomp/> for them what's interested.
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Hi!
I was just offered a Lisa 2/10, which I will happily accept. I do have
the 2/5 but the second would be nice, albiet a tad greedy. :) However he
wants me to name my own price, and said that it wasn't working.
Apparantly the self test and stuff works, but it doesn't boot up - I
assume this to be a problem with the hard drive, but imagine that it
could be something else. Does the 2/10 have the battery problem found on
the 2/5, and is this particular error the sort of thing that can be
repaired given that it does start? I had imagined that a serious error
would not allow it to start at all. :) If it can't be easily fixed I'll
probably buy it anyway, but I don't want to offer too much (as I have
almost no money) but I definitly want to save it.
Thanks heaps,
Adam.
John Ruschmeyer <jruschme(a)exit109.com> wrote:
> Actually, you may want to set the disk to ID 3. SunOS does this weird
> swapping of ID 0 and ID 3. Somebody posted the historical reason a while
> back to comp.sys.sun.hardware, but I believe it had to to with 3 being the
> likely address of another sort of device.
Y'all are gonna make me pull aphasia out of storage and set it up
to look at the generic 4.1.1 config file for the Sun 3, aren't you?
My recollection is that this was changed about the time Sun started
shipping SPARC workstations that were likely to have internal disks.
(Or was it with the 3/80? That could also have internal disks.) I
first ran across it when I had to deal with SPARCstation IPCs and
found that the kernel config file mapped sd0 to SCSI ID 3 (and that
systems shipped with an internal disk tended to come with the internal
disk's SCSI ID set to 3).
My guess as to the reason for this was that a number of these systems
were displacing older Sun 3/50 and 3/60s with external shoeboxes,
where the disk in the shoebox was set to SCSI ID 0. The old Sun 3
would go away but its shoebox would stay behind, and the user would
get the bright idea to plug it into the new SPARCstation for a little
more disk space. The 0<->3 swap made this work a little bit more
smoothly by avoiding the need for the user to open up the shoebox and
switch the SCSI ID, as well as the service call required to explain
this need.
-Frank McConnell
"Richard A. Cini" <rcini(a)email.msn.com> wrote:
> I got a no-name "shoebox" drive for my Sun 3/50M workstation. It has a
> Maxtor 300mb SCSI hard drive and what appears to be a 60mb DC600 tape drive.
>
> After reading the Sun FAQ, I'm left clueless on how to get it to boot
> from the hard drive. The workstation that I got appears to have been a
> remote-boot type, because it looks for an Internet address at startup.
Ayup.
> Dirst off, how do I change the default boot device? Second, what are the
> appropriate SCSI device IDs for the hard drive and tape drive? Right now,
> they are set for tape:6, drive:4 (I remember from somewhere that the Suns
> look for a drive on ID=6).
Given that this is a Sun 3, I would re-set them for disk ID = 0 and
tape ID = 4. At that point, you should be able to get to the monitor
prompt by pressing L1-A (hold L1, press A) while it's trying to boot
>from the network (or before) and typing "b sd(0,0,0)" to get it to
boot from disk, or "b st(0,0,0)" to get it to boot from tape. Oh yeah,
you need to press return after that ")", unless you want to pass some
arguments to the boot, in which case you should type them before you
press return (e.g. "b sd(0,0,0) -s" to boot single-user mode).
I don't recall exactly how to set the default boot device. Once you
have something bootable on the disk, you want to set the default
boot device to "sd(0,0,0)". This setting goes in the EEPROM, only
I don't remember exactly what locations to use. If you install
SunOS 4.1.1 there will be an "eeprom" command that will help you
to not remember too.
-Frank McConnell
Does anyone have any portable computers that are 15lb or less that
they could give or sell to me? This includes Z88, Intel stuff, etc.
Not the Mac Portable, since I have that. Preferrably, I would like
something that could run without being plugged in (having replaced
the battery :). Anyone have an IBM Convertible?
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Hello all:
Last week I got a toshiba T-100, with two 5.25" disk drives and a
monochrome monitor. It starts up with Basic.
Anybody knows if this system can run CP/M?
Another question: I own an IBM system 36. It has two hard disk drives,
105 MB each, and a tape cartridge drive. Could anybody tell me if these
drives are SCSI?
Thanks in advance.
--
Sergio Izquierdo Garcia
mailto:henrio@edu.tsai.es
I picked up a copy of D.P.I. s Print Director MS manual. Looks like
a neat peripheral-access controller device. Anyone have any need for
this ? No disks.
ciao larry
lwalkerN0spaM(a)interlog.com
allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) wrote:
><If only there was a mechanism to persuade companies to allow such hobby
><use of archaic software.
>
>OpenVMS archaic? It's a current product and definatly a high end OS
>and it includs DECnet networking.
Heaven forbid I ever insult anyone's choice of OS. :-) The gist of my
comments still stands, and I think it's highly appropriate to this
list: without an established mechanism for the preservation of the
rights of old software, or some process of stewardship of archaic
software, computer collectors are often violating the copyrights
of others.
Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote:
>If you have the original disk then that is normally considered proof
>that you have a legal copy of the software.
I can argue with that. What about upgrades? If bought XYZ v1.0,
then paid a special price to upgrade to v2.0, I don't have two copies.
Technically, the company doesn't allow you to resell v1.0 as its
own package. It's true of many of today's packages, and I'm sure
it's true of any old mainframe/mini OS license, too.
- John
Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>
I thought the list might be interested in the feeding frenzy occurring at
eBay ( http://www.ebay.com ) over some Altairs and associated
hardware/software. This is going to be very interesting to watch. The
Altair 8800a is up to almost $500.00 in just twelve hours.
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
More information on the Altair auction items. They have (finally!) all
been posted to www.ebay.com
in the Hardware:General section. Most of the items have been posted, but
a couple have not. If you
are looking for a particular item, check the list below, the URL for each
of the items is listed.
There have been several requests for copies of some of the items. I don't
have a way to copy the disks,
can anyone help out with that? If you can, please let me know.
Feel free to e-mail me with questions.
Thanks again for your patience and support.
Joe
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Lot 1 - Altair 8800a
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Altair 8800a - No Serial Number on case
Front Panel with LEDs and Toggle Switches
S-100 Bus (18 slots)
Note on inside: No +8V @ 8VA from terminal strip to motherboard
Remove spare BL + WT wire
Board 1- Vector 8800V
No components, wired to front panel
Board 2 - MITS CPU BD Rev 1
Intel 8080 CPU on board
Board 3 - Processor Technology Corp (C) 1977
GPM PC210001 Rev C
Assy No. 210000
PCA 18-7
Board 4 - IMSAI Mfg. Corp RAM-4A Rev 3
Board 5 - MITS Disk #2 Rev 0-X2
Board 6 - MITS Disk BD 1 Rev 0-X3
Board 7 - Processor Technology Corp (C) 1976
S/No. 124783
3P + S I/O Rev a
Board 8 - MITS 88-2 SIO REV 0
Bag of Misc Parts
http://komodo.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5857130
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Lot 2 - Altair 8800b #1
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Altair 8800b - No Serial Number on case
Front Panel with LEDs and Toggle Switches, one switch broken,
one switch bent (but still works)
S-100 Bus (15 slots installed)
Board 1 - MITS (C) 1976 D/C INT Rev 0
Board 2 - MITS 8800B CPU BD Rev 0
Intel 8080 Microprocessor
Board 3, 4, 5 - DRC Dallas, TX (C) 1978
Memory Board, 32 chips each of
2114L2PC
F 8139 P
Board 6 - Processor Technology Corp (C) 1977
GPM PC21001 Rev C
Assy No 210000
Board 7 - MITS
MITS 8800 PROM Bd Rev 0
MITS 8800 PMC Rev 0
Chips labeled: VMTST V 2.2 BE00
MITS DBL BF00
Board 8 - Processor Technology Corp (C) 1976
VDM 1 Rev D
Coaxial Connector attached to back plate
Board 9 - Processor Technology Corp (C) 1976
CUTS rev B
Serial # 115802
Board 10 - Processor Technology Corp (C) 1976
3P + S I/O Rev A
Serial # 124764
Bag of Misc Parts
Weight 30 lbs.
http://komodo.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5857904
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Lot 3 - Altair 8800b #2 System
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Altair 8800b Serial # 5400775K
Front Panel with LEDs and Toggle Switches, one switch broken
Power supply missing Capacitor, with disconnected cables
S-100 Bus (11 slots installed)
Board 1 - MITS (C) 1976 D/C INT Rev 0
Board 2 - MITS 8800B CPU BD Rev 0
Intel 8080 Microprocessor
Bag of Misc Parts
http://komodo.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5858380
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Lot 4 - MITS 8" Disk Drive
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MITS 8" Floppy Drive in case Serial # DD0217
Pertec FD400 inside case
Part #920063-01
Serial # 365507098
MITS Disk Buffer board inside
37-pin connectors (female and male)
http://komodo.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5858679
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Lot 5 - PROM Programmer + Card
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Altair PROM Programmer
Serial # C11405
24-pin ZIF socket on front with handle
DB-25 (male) connector on back
MITS PPRG-INT Rev 0
S-100 Card
DB-25 connected to board
http://komodo.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5859054
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Lot 6 - 88-2 Card
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MITS 88-2 SIO Rev 0
S-100 Card
http://komodo.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5859609
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Lot 7 - 8800 PMC Card
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MITS 8800 PMC Rev 0
S-100 Card
800Prom BD Rev 0
Populated with seven PROM chips
http://komodo.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5859874
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Lot 8 - Disk Controller Card Set
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MITS (Set of two S-100 Cards)
MITS Disk BD 1 Rev 0-X3
MITS Disk #2 Rev 0-X2
http://komodo.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5860149
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Lot 9 - 88VI(RTC) Card
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MITS Inc. 88-VI(RTC) Rev 0
S-100 Card
Pat Pending (c) 1977
Main Chip labeled Intel C8214
S1260
P4920
http://komodo.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5860422
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Lot 10 - 88-4 Card
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MITS 88-4 PIO Rev 0
S-100 Card
Main Chip Motorola MC6820L
76350
http://komodo.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5860662
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Lot 11 - 88SIOB Card
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MITS (88 SIOB) Serial-TTL
S-100 Card with daughterboard
daughterboard is: MITS MODEM BD
http://komodo.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5860943
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Lot 12 - Manual
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MITS Manual (only a part, missing several chapters)
altair 8800b Section IV Troubleshooting
May 1977
Some schematics, missing pages
Not for sale Yet
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Lot 13 - Cassette Software
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MITS SW-EXTM - Cassette Tape
Altair Extended BASIC Version 4.1
February 1, 1977
2400/1850 Hz
(c) 1976 MITS, Inc.
MITS SW-DBLC - Cassette Tape
Altair Disk Boot Loader Version 4.1
May 1, 1977
2400/1850HZ
Copyright 1977 MITS, Inc.
Altair EXT BASIC Rev 3.2 Cassette
February 1976
Copyright 1975
Boot Loc 1=256
Boot Loc 2=57
Realistic Cassette with Label
(Same label as paper tapes, Original?)
Altair Package II Cassette (2 copies, one labeled Cassette Sticks)
Rev 3.0 June 76
2400/1850 HZ
Copyright MITS 1976
Maxell C46 Cassette
(Same label as paper tapes, Original?)
Not for sale yet
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Lot 14 - Box of 30+ Cassettes
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Box of 30+ Cassette Tapes, not original, saved programs
Hand labeled or with notes on each cassette tape
Including:
CROS P A000 2000 - Cassette Tape
O-42 Counter
Cromemco Resident Operating System Z-80
Not for sale yet
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Lot 15 - Paper Tape Software
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Altair Extended BASIC - Paper Tape
Rev 4.0 February 25, 1977
Copyright 1976 by MITS, Inc.
Assembler/ROS - Paper Tape
Order Number ZA-PT
Copyright 1977 Cromemco
Processor Technology - Paper Tape
Software #1
PT80-13 TSC 8080 Reloctor - Paper Tape
(c) 1978 By
Technical Systems Consultants, Inc.
Box 2574 W. Layayette, IN 47906
Cromemco Z-80 Monitor V 1.0 - Paper Tape
E000-E3FF
(c) 1976 Cromemco
ALT-2480 Intelligent Terminal Demonstration - Paper Tape
(c) 1978
Vincent C. Jones
Processor Technology - Paper Tape
5K BASIC
BASIC-VDM Driver - Paper Tape Software
Processor Technology - Paper Tape Software
VDM Driver
http://komodo.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5861229
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Lot 16 - Floppy Disk Software
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CP/M on Altair - 8" Floppy Disk
(c) 1977, 1978, 1979 Digital Research
(c) 1977, 1978, 1979 Lifeboat Associates
Version 1.41 S/N 81-2097
with manual - CP/M on MITS DISK User Notes
Revision 1.0 April 27, 1979
Altair Disk Operating System - 8" Floppy Disk
Version 1.0 May 5, 19777
Copyright 1977 by MITS INC.
http://komodo.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5861450
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Lot 17 - Hacked Case
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Altair Case - with power supply, NO Top Cover, no serial number
Very hacked up, black faceplate on front, not original
reset and power switches on front
Openings on front for two 5.25" full height drives
Altair S-100 Bus Replaced with Cromemco 8-slot S-100 Blitz Bus
Power supply modified to use 5.25" drive power connectors
Not for sale Yet
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Lot 18 - 8" Drives
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8" Floppy Drives (2), in Rack Mount cases
Pertec Drives inside
Model No. FD400 U2
Part No. 920003-01
(2) 37-pin D connectors on back
Homebrew(?) Disk buffer board on inside looks similar to
MITS disk buffer board.
One drive labeled Disk 0 the other is Disk 1
Power switch and Indicator LEDs on front panel
Not for sale Yet
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"Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Not quite, there is still the Amiga, now owned by Gateway 2000. In fact
>I'm in the process of upgrading my A3000 (almost a classic) with a HiRes
I've got my old Amiga 1000 in the basement, with a serial number in
the 30s. Circa 1986, it qualifies, no?
- John
Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>
