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A little more Am2900 learning/evaluation kit info

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Skimming through the databook again, I've found a little more > info on the Am2900 learning/evaluation kit. While I'd really like to lay my hands on one of these, I suppose if I wanted to get daring, I could just pull the ROMs from the Prime and burn my own (The Prime CPUs were built using the AM2900 family; some models had a writable control store; not my 2455, of course). In case anyone wonders why... it would be really cool to spend five years trying to redesign the Prime CPUs to eliminate the bugs that plagued so many of us for so long... Not much market for them, of course... -dq

25 years, 10 months

(Fwd) VAX 11/750

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

What is this HTML garbage?!? I'm responding to this over Yahoo and I'm stuck in this applet that wants to format my mail for me. :-P Anyway; I'm in Columbus and have already responded to this guy. I already have a couple of 11/750s (8Mb and 12Mb w/ various disks), so I'm not interested in shelling out a lot of coin for another, but I'll see what he wants for it before I decide what to do. -ethan David Williams <dlw(a)trailingedge.com> wrote: Well I'd LOVE to have this but can't arrange it right now so if anyone is interested please contact the person below. Damn, and I so want to play with VMS. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Send reply to: "Lopez-Stickney" From: "Lopez-Stickney" Subject: VAX 11/750 Date sent: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:33:56 -0400 We have a VAX 11/750 system for sale (or trade) in Central Ohio. It includes the disk drive, printer, a DECwriter, manuals (boxes!!), and a variety of software. This lot fills a full-size Chevy van. If possible, the preference is to sell the whole thing. estickney Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger.

25 years, 10 months

Zork on Apple II, wanted for PDP-11 (was Re: Thrift Store find: Apple IIgs)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Jay Jaeger <cube1(a)home.com> wrote: > There is an alternative. Before Infocom was even formed, a DEC Field > Engineer person (I think fondly known as "The Translator") translated the > original MDL (pronounced "muddle") (which predates ZIL) into FORTRAN. Bob Supnik. He and I have worked together on his line of PDP emulator programs. I helped find a bug with the rp driver that surfaced when trying to run 2.9BSD on an emulated PDP-11. There was a poorly documented feature that writing to a read-only register would instigate an interrupt that was a critical feature of the device probing facet of the BSD startup sequence, but that is another story. > Playing one of these older versions would suit the vintage of your PDP-11 > better, IMHO, than running one of the later Infocom ZIL version (even > though those might be closer to the original source). True, but cooler than _that_ is to run *commercial* game software for the PDP-11. I've run the FORTRAN version on various ancient DEC machines. it's the version that is data-file-compatible with the later products that I really want to play with. -ethan (translator of the MDL sources to Inform - Grab a copy at http://penguincentral.com/retrocomputing/zdungeon/ ) ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

25 years, 10 months

Free: Apollo DOMAIN/OS Software Distribution Tapes

by cube1＠home.com

Please read ALL of this message CAREFULLY before responding. Incomplete/erroneous replies will be directed to /dev/null, with or without a reply based on how busy I am and how I feel that day. 8-) Requests for further information may not be responded to quickly. I have obtained, due to Y2k related activities and general cleanup, a VERY LIMITED number of copies of original software distribution tapes for the Apollo Domain/OS operating system and some product support kits. (I also have some other software, but due to licensing, I am not comfortable making that available. However, if you have NFS, Omniback, CC or DPCE software for Apollo Domain/OS and are having problems reading your tape(s), if you scan in a copy of your label and send it to me, we can see if we can arrange something). I am making them available at no cost, except that the REQUESTER PAYS THE PACKAGING AND SHIPPING COSTS (usually just a pound or two). The prepayment will be based on the estimate from the UPS web site. If you send me too much, I will send the difference by other means after I ship, if it is more than $2.00 -- otherwise I will not bother). I am making them available to people who (priority order) (USE THIS CODE BELOW) PRIORITY CODE: 1. Has an HP/Apollo Domain machine (proof required, including node-id, preference would be a picture), but does not have tapes (you are on the honor system for that part) 2. Is writing a simulator and needs software (some proof required, such as design documentation, compiler headers, ...) (Having been in that boat myself, I have empathy for anyone in that situation. But, I'd be surprised to find anyone in this situation for an Apollo Domain/OS machine). 3. An education institution (this would really surprise me, but you never know) 4. Has an HP/Apollo Domain machine (proof required -- see above), has tapes, but would like a backup set.2 Shipping code (see below) PICKUP: If you can pick the tapes up. Gets you 1 notch higher priority. SHIP: If you need to have them shipped to you. (You pre-pay shipping). Available only to folks in the US and places UPS will ship to with no headache for me (again, these are free, after all). Again, the requester must PREPAY SHIPPING based on an estimate from the UPS web site. The tapes are little used, and in their original plastic boxes with their original labels. The tapes date from around 1990 - 1992. ( I read thru a set of tapes like these to do a software install last year without a problem, but I can make NO GUARANTEE that the tapes are readable. (after all, they are free). Requests for tapes should be sent via email. PLEASE READ *ALL* of the following information to the end of this message CAREFULLY. Request MUST include the following filled out (please cut and paste into your message) Request MUST include "DOMAIN/OS TAPE REQUEST" in the subject of the e-mail, and should be addressed to: c u b e 1 (at) h o m e (dot) c o m ************************ NAME: Your Name ADDRESS: Your Street Address / City / State / Zip / Country routing code EMAIL: Your e-mail address SET: The Tape set number(s) you would like. (See Below) Format: #<digit> PRIORITY: Your priority code (see above) (#1, #2, #3 or #4) SHIPPING: (See above: PICKUP or SHIP) NODE-ID: Your Apollo Domain Node ID (see above) (Attach GIF/JPEG if possible) ************************* Requests should be submitted before 7/5/2000. I need to allow some time for priorities to be properly registered. I will ship when I am good and ready, probably in July or August. (After all, these are free -- but I do want to get them out of my hair). Generally YOU MAY ONLY REQUEST 1 SET. Exception: If you request one of set 10, 11 or 12 you may also pick one of set 13,14 and/or one of set 15,16 Note: If you have a 68040 based machine, SR10.2 is useless. You need SR10.3, including PSK8 (see below) SET INFORMATION *** READ CAREFULLY *** (Specify above) SETS #1, #2 and #3 Apollo DOMAIN/OS SR10.2 Boot tape: 017286-001 3 software tapes: 017277-001, -002 and -003 (This is a complete operating system) SET #4 As with sets #1, #2 and #3 PLUS DOMAIN/OS SR10.2 INCRA_2 018777-001 (patch tape) (THIS IS JUST A SINGLE TAPE - NOT A COMPLETE OPERATING SYSTEM) SETS #5, #6, #7, #8, #9 Apollo DOMAIN/OS SR10.4 Boot Tape: 019593-001 Software tapes: 019594-001, -002, -003, -004 (This is a complete operating system) SETS #10, #11, #12 Apollo DOMAIN/OS SR10.3 Boot Tape: 018847-001 Software tapes: 018848-001, -002, -003, -004 (This is a complete operating system) SETS #13, #14 Product Support Kit Q3-91 for Apollo DOMAIN/OS SR10.3 THIS IS NOT A COMPLETE OPERATING SYSTEM. YOU WOULD ALSO NEED SET #10, #11 or #12 Boot Tape: 019439-001 Software tapes: 019437-001, -002 SETS #15, #16 Product Support Kit PSK8 THIS IS NOT A COMPLETE OPERATING SYSTEM. YOU WOULD ALSO NEED SET #10, #11 or #12 Boot Tape: 019376-001 PSK8 Software: 019374-001 PSK8 68040 Software: 019362-001 Again, PLEASE read thru ALL of this message BEFORE submitting your request. Hope some of you find this useful. Jay Jaeger The Computer Collection. Visit: http://members.home.com/thecomputercollection

25 years, 10 months

Thrift Store find: Apple IIgs

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

I have a variety of Apple II machines (I used to make my living on them long, long ago) and my little brother, an avid thrifter, found a IIgs for me this week. ISTR there are multiple varieties; this one appears to be fairly old. It has a memory card inside with 256K of RAM soldered down, and spaces for another .75Mb. The ROM is version 1.0. Just playing around, I figured out how to get into the config menu and set background colors, 80 column, etc. I happened to have an external 5.25" Laser drive I got with my $15 IIc+ and was able to boot up the only DOS 3.3 disk I could find - Zork I. So... now that I have two machines that want to have 3.5" drives and no copies of DOS 3.3 on that medium, is it possible to aquire it anywhere? I have Macs, etc., so I can make a 3.5" disk from an Apple disk image if that's what it takes. Also, are there any ways I can expand this puppy? I happen to have a couple of old Apple double disk drives (the kind that came with the IIe); does anyone know of a diagram to make an adapter for the 19-pin connector that the newer computers take? Thanks, -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

25 years, 10 months

Mousepad $71

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Did anyone else see the NeXT mousepad that sold for $71 on ebay at 355310479 ? Now I feel ok I'm not the one who is crazy. John Keys

25 years, 10 months

New Finds

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well the week back from vacation has been pretty good I hit 3 auction and came away with a few good deals. 1. HP 6300 series 650/A 2. HP 9000/300 3. HP 9144 4. HP 6000/670H - 4 of them mounted in a nice rack. 5. TI99 color monitor the size of a TV and looks just like an old 19" model. 6. AMD AM 2900 Evaluation & Learning kit. A nice single board computer with the box but no manuals. There was a sheet titled "Am2900 Kit Programming Work Sheet". Anyone have more info on this unit ? 7. 2 - Toshiba T5200/100's that both work great. 8. Zenith SuperSport 286 with carrying case, will not boot up. 9. Grid GridCase3 not working 10. An old Informer in a nice case. Not tested yet. 11. Compaq portable III in carrying case, not tested yet. 12. digital LA50-RA printer. 13. digital VT240 model VS240-B 14. Tandy 4000 PC There were several van loads of items that are not yet 10 years old but I added them to my collection from the first two auctions. At a City/school auction today I won the bid on over 80 computers, ext floppy drives (Apple all types), ext. hard drives for Mac's, many keyboards, monitors, and many other computer items all for $1. Sorry to say I had to leave a large amount of this stuff, there were all types of early Mac's and PC's. My poor van was overloaded with computers this evening and I got home at 9:30pm in the dark so I was not able to unload too much tonight and will have take off work for half a day to unload my Van and go back for more of the items. I hope to have a more complete list by the weekend and will post the older items. John Keys

25 years, 10 months

Mark your calendars for VCF 4.0: September 30 - October 1

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Bill Sudbrink wrote: > > > On another note: Looks like my relationship with embedded computing is > > coming to an end. I'll be changing jobs soon. I used to get out to the > > west coast for fall ESC which would hopefully "match up" with VCF. It would > > have worked this year, but... Oh well. Anyway, is anything else professional > > going on in the area the week before or after VCF 4.0 that I could possibly > > talk a boss into shipping me across the country for? > > Bill, just for you, I'll check the schedules for the convention centers in > the area and see what's cooking for that timeframe :) I meant to speak up sooner when this thread began, but... Louisville, Kentucky, is an ideal site for any convention. We are located in the heart of United States, we have ample convention facilities (but don't choose the weekend where we have the Future Farmers, NHRA Nationals, etc). We have great entertainment facilities (food, music, horse racing), a riverboat casino within a 20-minute drive, a Deja Vu (and plenty of similar facilties), scenic riverboat cruises (these without gambling), a bridge that goes nowhere but stimulates endless debate. What we appear not to have are these places I hear about that have piles upon piles of old computer equipment. At least, if it's here, it's staying hidden from me. Just a thought... -dq

25 years, 10 months

How do you finance/afford your computer collection?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I'm interested in hearing how others on this list afford to maintain and expand their collections. Especially people like John R. Keys. 8-D Basically I take money out of my budgest and buy something when it strikes me. Lately, Ive actually turned down some of the more popular computer models because I either have one or more, or space is at a premium. I also pay monthly for small off-site storage to hold some machines as I'm reaching over 150 computers+accessories now. Is it feasible to start a non-profit org to help pay for some of the costs one incurs while enjoying this hobby or how would one solicit donations? I am reluctant to become too commercial or plaster my domain with ads. hurry, hurry step right up! see the computers you used as a kid! www.nothingtodo.org

25 years, 10 months

AT&T 6300 with monitor, up for grabs, almost free + shipping

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

Hello all, First the pictures, then the story: http://www.wpic.com/whdawson/classiccmp/ATT6300front.jpg http://www.wpic.com/whdawson/classiccmp/ATT6300rear.jpg I stopped in the local Hidden Treasures (actual name) store a couple of weeks ago and noticed this on the shelf, minus keyboard. I've been a regular visitor there for the last several years, and when I pointed out to Terry, the new manager, that this system was kinda useless without the AT&T keyboard, he told me to just take it, as in free, because it was probably going to end up in the dumpster anyway since no one seemed interested in it and this would save him the effort. The power supply fan runs, and little else. No cursor, no boot, no drive activity other than it initializing, no nothing, although the AT&T monitor appears OK since when I turn off the system I get green all over and retrace lines as the power collapses. Same if I unplug the monitor when the system is powered up. The monitor is powered from the 6300 and has a jumper from the PS to the video board, standard 6300. Here's what's included: AT&T monitor, no screen burn, cord storage in swivel base. AT&T 6300 with: PC1050 motherboard, markings of 0091-0-5-00 REV P4, AT&T 227692 T 10 CPU3 9/84, BIOS REV 1.21, FCC DVR7NICPU3; 8086-2 CPU, memory chips are MOSTEK MK4564-N-15; WD1002-WX1 controller; Seagate ST-225; OLIVETTI Video PCB, full length, markings of CRT 313M; OLIVETTI Bus converter; 5.25" floppy drive; power supply; etc. This system is in very good to excellent condition. The computer is dusty inside, but even the felt feet are still on it. The CRT case is not yellowed. The story I got was that an elderly lady had donated it to the store. I'd prefer to sell this system as it is, complete, for $10.00 plus shipping (2 boxes). If you are only interested in the monitor, $10.00 plus shipping also. If no one is interested in the 6300 intact, then I will part it out, 1.2 x shipping for whatever assemblies you want from it. Please email me off list and let me know what you need. Anyone who wants the whole enchilada gets first dibs. If no one does, parts seekers are on a FCFS basis. I'm offering this to the list because I have enough going on and enough systems to restore to keep me busy for the next 10 years. Yes, I can probably find a keyboard and can also likely fix it, but I don't see anything wrong with some systems ending up as parts donors for others. I'll post to the list on the status of this as necessary. For shipping purposes, my zip is 15301. Bill Dawson whdawson(a)mlynk.com <mailto:whdawson@mlynk.com> ?

25 years, 10 months

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