Yeah, I'd like to contact him also. . . .
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Here's a question for the group. I have a PC running Bob Supnik's PDP-11
simulator and a PDP-11/45 front panel with no CPU boards. I'd like to do
sort of a faux PDP-11/45 with this setup by somehow wiring the front panel
up to the PC running Sim.
Am I completely out of my mind, or is there even the remotest chance of
getting something like this to work?
-- Tony
On Jun 23, 13:43, Geoff Roberts wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pete Turnbull" <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com>
> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 5:13 AM
> Subject: Re: How do you finance/afford your computer collection?
>
>
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >
> > which is ridiculous, because "Windows-1252" is a unique Microsoft
> > non-standard character set (meant to be similar to ISO 8859-1, but
> with a
> > unique symbol order), and it's also an 8-bit character set which can't
> be
> > represented in 7 bits without using base64, uuencode,
> quoted-printable, or
> > similar.
> >
> > I'm not complaining, merely informing :-)
>
> No problem. :^)
>
> Bloody thing. Thanks for that. I'm going to reach into the registry
> settings or whatever and bludgeon it into submission. It seems to be
> resetting the charset to whatever I'm replying to, and if I change it,
> it only changes for the one msg and then reverts to that.
> (Theoretically, it's supposed to be the ISO set not that one.)
> I'm going to find out what does this and fix it. I'll let you know how
> I get on. Bill Gates has a lot to answer for.
Best of luck :-)
Several months ago, one of our most senior members of staff (who has been
around a long time, and is perfectly happy with text mail, Unix, etc, but
has to use a PC for various reasons) sent several long messages to
'support' in mixed HTML+<something else> format, which caused some touble
for our support mail system. I politely advised him of this and he said
he'd fix it. Well, the next mail was still full of cruft, so I pointed out
that we don't support Outlook, and could he please stop using it or set it
properly. OK, he replied, in plain text. But the next message was in --
guess what! So I politely mailed him back, just to let him know. There
followed a long discussion; basically he refused to beleive his mailer
(Outlook) was sending crud because he'd reset it, tested it, and couldn't
beleive that his computer/OS could non-deterministically change its own
settings. We never did get entirely to the bottom of it, but it seems that
in some versions of Outlook, certain settings only apply to that session
(ie are reset next time you restart), and some settings are accessible in
two places, and you have to change both.
We still don't support Outlook, in fact we remove it from view in our
standard installs of Windows. But it's still there and people still use
it, and it's mostl OK so long as it's set up sensibly. The problem is that
Microsoft don't really understand standards like TCP/IP, MIME, DNS, ... (or
just don't believe in them).
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
Speaking of PDP-11 emulators and licenses ...
Is there anywhere I can get an RSX-11M distribution for use with Supnik's
emulator? The current Mentec license appears to permit this (at least,
for RSX-11M V4.3 and previous, or RSX-11M PLUS V3.0 or previous), but the
software isn't on the DEC FTP site.
--Pat.
Based on my experiences with System/36's, 8100's, and other IBM machinery..
the thing almost certainly has a welded steel frame. I took all the panels
off and the dual 14" disks out of a 5360, and I'll be damned if I didn't
only remove about 250lbs., tops. BTW, be CAREFUL picking up 5360's with a
forklift, they are very unbalanced by the humongous transformer on the power
supply end, my dad and I went to unload mine, and it started to try to take
a dive off the forklift attachment on our tractor.
Will J
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> On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Jerome Fine wrote:
> > Since you are local and will not have to pay shipping, you
> > have a huge advantage when it comes to anyone else.
> > BUT, you will need to have a van or a small truck. And
>
> Also, it can all be moved in two trips with a mid-sized station-wagon
> (e.g. - a Gran Torino)... well, possibly one if you really squeezed
> the stuff in there.
Well, right now, it's not for certain I'll get it, since John Allain
is bidding against me. Hi, John... are you local to Louisville area?
I'll be using a pickup truck, and it's a single 42 inch high cabinet,
so I think that'll be sufficient.
> If it's at all windy, or even a little breezy, be careful with those
> rack side panels, as they can go flying into something rather easily.
Would it be feasible to remove the skins and set it on its side (on
a quilt)?
> > bring some tools so that you can separate the components.
>
..snip..
>
> Note: ask for any tapes, documentation, etc. as soon as possible, not
> another trip, if possible, as such things tend to get lost or tossed
> out quickly after the system goes away or gets unplugged.
The system is in the hands of a sort-of-collector, not at its original
installed site. The photo shows a bookcase of what appear to be manuals,
but he may intend to sell them separately. I'll ask, tho, to be sure.
> > You will find it much easier if you only need to lift one item at a
> > time rather than the whole cabinet. Note that the tape drive alone
> > can be about 100 lb. Two people can usually handle that easily.
>
> Several years ago, I disassembled, moved, and reassembled an entire
> 11/73 rack myself, including the TS05 tape drive, expansion chasis,
> two 8" SMD drives, etc. Just be careful to lift with the knees and
> not the back. Of course, it would be a lot easier with two people,
> and much more pleasant a task with the temperatures in the 50s. :-)
Hah, it will likely be in the high 80s or low 90s if I get the dang
thing. Fortunately, the truck is being driven by a farm boy, so he's
used to lifting that bale, toting that barge...
> > If it is working or you can fix it yourself, that will be a great find
> > IF ou have an opportunity to actually use the drive, and especially
> > if you need it.
>
> Most definitely! :-)
I'll at least be transferring the plexiglass tape drive window
to the Cipher I have for the Prime. BTW, I asked the seller to
check the rear plate of the TS05, thinking it *is* a Cipher F880
and he came back and said it has only a TS05 ID plate.
The front bezel is *identical* to the F880 streamer. Do you know
yea/nay on this?
-dq
"Ernest" <ernestls(a)home.com> wrote:
> What's happening is that my Pentium system doesn't recognize the format of
> these old SS 3.5 disks, even though they are formatted with MSDOS (FAT 12 I
> think.) My Pentium will see the 720k disks that I format on the HP but not
> the old SS disks. Does anyone know why?
No, but Sydex wrote a shareware MS-DOS device driver that used to be
available on simtel.net's MS-DOS collection, which supposedly allowed
the reading and maybe writing of HP150 stiffies in a PC stiffy drive.
Sad to say, I couldn't get it to work on my Toshiba notebook PC
(MS-DOS 6.22) for purposes of reading a single-sided HP150 stiffy.
You might have better luck.
-Frank McConnell
On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:02:44 -0400 (EDT) "Merle K. Peirce"
<at258(a)osfn.org> writes:
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Jeffrey l Kaneko wrote:
>
> Yes, I expect it is. It's the only Unix portable I've seen. Very
> blue, very heavy.
Well you know, there a bunch of odd coincidences that revolve around
Arium, American Automation (now American Arium), the Regulus OS,
and the SS-50 bus (of all things).
It goes like this:
American Automation was a maker of ICE's and development stations in the
early 1980's. One of their products was called the EZPro-- it was a
general development system that could be equipped with a variety of
ICE's (I own a processor unit; I never located the 68000 ICE that came
with it originally).
Anyways, The EZPro was based on the 6802 CPU, and it used the SS=50
bus! It is the only piece of test/development equipment I have ever
seen or heard that used this bus. Around 1985, I contacted these guys,
and got a full set of prints for my system, and a couple of 8"
floppies with the OS, along with the source for the ROMs.
They told me that most of their EZ-Pro hardware had been *thrown out*
a few *weeks* earlier, that I could have had it, had I asked.
Ever seen a grown man cry?
They showed me their new product, I can't remember the name, but they
mentioned that it still used the ss-50 bus. I remember now that it
looked very similar to a product made by . . .
Smoke Signal Broadcasting (SSB), which made a 68000 based product
called the VAR. This thing ran Regulus, and was supposed to be
very good for real-time processing. SSB, if anyone remembers,
used to make a very nice line of SS-50 machines (The Chieftain).
Fast foreward about ten years, and Arium merges with American Automation
to become American Arium. I wonder if Arium based their earlier products
on the SSB VAR.
Spooky, huh?
>
> > On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:22:05 -0400 (EDT) "Merle K. Peirce"
> > <at258(a)osfn.org> writes:
> > > We have an Arium machine running Aegis Regulus. Is this a
> version of
> > ^^^^^
> > Arium?!!? I wonder if it is the same Arium that made ICE's
> > and development stations in the early-to-mid 80's.
> >
> > JUst curious: That wouldn't be a 680x0 machine, would it?
> >
> > I remember an OS that ran on 680x0 platforms that was
> > marketed at about that time called 'Regulus'.
> >
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:22:05 -0400 (EDT) "Merle K. Peirce"
<at258(a)osfn.org> writes:
> We have an Arium machine running Aegis Regulus. Is this a version of
^^^^^
Arium?!!? I wonder if it is the same Arium that made ICE's
and development stations in the early-to-mid 80's.
JUst curious: That wouldn't be a 680x0 machine, would it?
I remember an OS that ran on 680x0 platforms that was
marketed at about that time called 'Regulus'.
Jeff
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> If you read the license of most software you will find that it says You
> don't own it and that "you" are licensed to use it. Cars are bought
> outright IE: they are property. Software for the most part is "rented"
> for lack of a better word.
What we need to know, is who (what corporate representative) was the
first person to capitulate to the robber barons by being willing to sign
a software license that granted only the right to use said software.
Once one corporation capitulated, the rest were bound to follow.
We could make that person number one in the Computing Hall of Shame.
Hell hath no flames hot enough for that person...
-dq
