Hi folks,
I've been chatting to someone who has a TRS80 Model 4 that's giving him a
horizontal sync issue, is there anyone around the Fremont area who could
give him a hand with it?
Cheers
--
adrian/witchy
Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest private home computer
collection?
t: @binarydinosaurs f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs
w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk
The 2 sheds will be sorted next Saturday morning, early, in Katy, TX. If you
want the address, pls email me.
If you are in the Austin, TX area, there might be room in a carpool.
Same for the Minneapolis and Michigan areas.
If you are coming, please wear sturdy boots, gloves, bring bottled water,
and dress in layers, as it might be either 35F or 75F that day. Bring your
own food. Bring cash, no checks or cc. Not sure about restroom facilities.
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
830-370-3239 cell
sales at elecplus.com
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2019, Jim Manley wrote:
> I've got everything lined up to do a full pickup, except the timing. It
> will have to be next Saturday, 2/2, or preferably 2/9, but I appreciate
> that the owner has waited this long. The only potential bugaboo could be
> the weather, but the cycle seems to be favorable at the moment. However, I
> just heard that the dreaded Polar Vortex may bust out of The Great White
> North and cause Al Gore to switch from air conditioning to heating in his
> oversized 50,000-foot environment-unto-itself mansion in Tennessee.
February 2 would be the best date. I am away the weekend of February 8
and would have to get somebody else meet you and help you load.
--
Richard Loken VE6BSV : "...underneath those tuques we wear,
Athabasca, Alberta Canada : our heads are naked!"
** rlloken at telus.net ** : - Arthur Black
If anyone has and they want to sell or trade, I'm in need of...
25567-60003?? LAN card EISA board - for HP 9000 7xx series workstations
A2263-66536?? LAN / RS232 board - for the 9000 712 series workstations
Thanks
Jesse
Cypress Technology Inc
This hurts my heart:
HP Gold vintage 1970's high yeld recovery plated ic chips leads w palladium caps
https://www.ebay.com/itm/382505855460
Who cares what something could do, there might be pennies worth of gold to be had!
-- Chris
I just got off the phone with Jesse at Cypress. He said he did not post the
gold and tantalum items on ebay. It is someone else, trying to cast a bad
name on him.
I explained to him that the list would really like to work with him, and
that old HP stuff is wanted. He explained that each item is put into a
system, fully tested, and has warranty and follow up support if needed, so
prices are not low. I explained to him that many list members can do board
level repairs.
I suggested a "garage sale" type scenario, where he offers as-is equip, to
save the costs of paying a tech to test everything. He is open to that idea.
He has pallets of old terminals and keyboards that he does not work on
anymore, so no warranty. I told him that if he would test the monitor to
make sure it turns on, and include a complete matching keyboard, members
would prob pay about $85 plus shipping for a set. He does have a 150, and a
lot of 1970s and 80s terminals and keyboards. He said he will gather them
together and do a basic test and offer some out, on an as-is basis.
Please understand that he is a business (for the past 30 years), and he does
have to cover costs of storage, technicians, etc. No, he won't sell stuff
for $5. It costs him more than that to pay someone to find the stuff and
pack it. Please bear his needs in mind too.
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
830-370-3239 cell
sales at elecplus.com
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If anyone has and they want to sell or trade, I'm in need of...
25567-60003?? LAN card EISA board - for HP 700 series workstations
A2263-66536?? LAN / RS232 board - for the 712 series workstations
Thanks
Jesse
Cypress Technology Inc
I learn something? new? then... when? ?was? palladium?used?? ?was it? around in? the? 2100? hp? days or? was this? ?used? later?? ?and? I had not heard of? it?
Ed#In a message dated 1/23/2019 6:47:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time, paulkoning at comcast.net writes:
palladium
In response to a request a couple of years back from Cindy, I've been slowly
working on a page to help scrappers identify PDP-11's, and give them an idea
what to look for. I have it _mostly_ done:
http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/pdp11/PDP-11_Models.html
Comments/error-checking etc welcome. Also, I still need images of a few
things: -11/60 and -11/94 front consoles, the original LSI-11 card, the
KDJ11-E, and most of the DEC QBUS boxes. (Yeah, I could try looking for free
images, I've been busy!)
Any help gratefully received!
Noel
Does anyone know what the difference is between the M8290 and M8291 versions
of the CR11? The only version of the CR11 manual online only seems to cover
the M8290?
Noel
On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote:
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 19:08:46 -0500
> From: Jesse Dougherty <jesse at cypress-tech.com>
> Subject: Hewlett-Packard 3000, 9000, Itanium (HP-UX & MPE/iX) Servers,
> Storage Arrays, Replacement Parts, Maintenance, & Disaster back-ups
> HP 3000 MPE/iX PA-RISC servers (aka e3000)
I've always wanted a 3000 system to play with after using one (as a user
only) many years and many jobs ago.
Epay prices seem a little high. $current_job had one years ago and sold
it on eBay for $250 (I found the sold listing in a folder ...). I cried
a little. It wasn't a fill the floor model - but it had to have had a
little "oomph" as it supported 30-40 interactive users all day.
I agree with the other posters and the list-boss - if you provide hobbyist
pricing I'd be game. You're not going to get far with commercial or
"high price just because it's rare but not in demand" pricing.
Otherwise, I offer fifty bucks ... :)
Fred
I have a need for an A990 system. If anyone has one that they want to
part with, let me know.
Thanks
Jesse
Cypress Technology Inc
Jesse at Cypress-Tech.com
Man you guys are tough... We sell this old HP stuff, thats what we do.
There is no commercial or retail price in 20+ year old items. Its comes
down to what we have into it, what others are selling them for, and what
the demand is. Jay, I dont recall quoting you a 12920, I went back 3
years on my sent emails and I cant find it. I dont remember what the
price or circumstances were. If I had that info, I could understand and
explain the price that I quoted you .. but I'm glad you found what you
needed... sorry if you were offended.
As for me posting an intro on this site.. I have a boat load of older HP
stuff and I'm always trying to find homes for. If my info or parts helps
someone get the part or system they need, then its a win for everyone.
I'm not some spam bot that just sends crap email out, we are a very
small company thats been around for 25 years and we have a lot of
knowledge with this older 1000, 3000, 9000, & Itanium hardware.
Resellers get flack from everyone but small HP vendors like us help keep
the wheels of this older HP machine rolling. Try to buy a 25 year old
system from HP, they will try to sell you a x86.. :-)
Again, it was an intro and if it offended anyone, please accept my
apologies*
*
I almost NEVER do this, but please be VERY cautious if dealing with CU
Digital in Sadorus, IL. He does have a few model Ms and maybe some Fs, but I
STRONGLY suggest you pick them up in person and have a laptop and an adapter
to test them before buying.
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
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> Even better, it claims to be able to control whether the memory uses odd
> or even parity! (How, for UNIBUS memory, I don't know - there's no way to do
> this over the UNIBUS.
So this really confused me, as the UNIBUS spec says parity is wholly within
the slave device, and only an _error_ signal is transferred over the
bus. E.g. from the 'pdp11 peripherals handbook', 1975 edition (pg. 5-8): "PA
and PB are generated by a slave ... [it] negates PA and asserts PB to indicate
a parity error ... both negated indicates no parity error. [other
combinations] are conditions reserved for future use."
The answer is that originally the UNIBUS parity operation was _different_, and
that sometime around the introduction of the PDP-11/45, they _changed_ it, which
is apparently why Appendix E, about parity in the /45, says what it does!
I found the first clue in the MM11-F Core Memory Manual (DEC-11-HMFA-D - which
is not online, in fact no MM11-F stuff is online, I'll have to scan it all and
send it to Al); I was looking in that to see if the parity version had a CSR
or not (to reply to Paul Koning), and on the subject of parity it said this:
"The data bits on the bus are called BUS DPB0 and BUS DPB1." And there is
nothing else on how the two parity bits are _used_ - the clear implication is
that the memory just _stores_ them, and hands them to someone else (the
master) over the bus, for actual use.
Looking further, I found proof in the "unibus interface manual" - and
moreover, the details differ between the first (DEC-11-HIAA-D) and second
(DEC-11-HIAB-D) editions (both of which differ from the above)!
In the first, Table 2-1 has these entries for PA and PB: "Parity Available -
PA ... Indicates paritied data" and "Parity Bit - PB ... Transmits parity
bit"; at the bottom of page 2-4 we find "PA indicates that the data being
transferred is to use parity, and PB transmits the parity bit. Neither line
is used by the KA11 processor."
(Which explains why, when, after reading about parity in the MM11-F manual,
I went looking for parity stuff in the KA11 which would use it, I couldn't
find it!)
In the second, Table 2-1 has these entries for PA and PB: "Parity Bit Low - PA
... Transmits parity bit, low byte" and "Parity Bit High - PB ... Transmits
parity bit, high byte"; at the top of page 2-5 we find wholly different text
>from the above, including "These lines are used by the MP11 Parity Option in
conjunction with parity memories such as the MM11-FP."
I looked online for more about the MP11, but could find nothing. I wonder if
any were made?
This later version seems to agree with that Appendix E. I tried to find an
early -11/45 system manual, to see if it originally shipped with MM11-F's,
but couldn't locate one - does anyone have one? The ones online (e.g.
EK-1145-OP-001) are much later.
It's also interesting to speculate about _why_ these changes were made; I can
think of several! :-)
Noel
I have these two in unused condition (the paper inside is a little yellowed
but apart from that looks new) including cassettes.
Cat no: 26-3839 & 26-3823
Ten pound including postage as paypal gift - not asking a lot as I'd rather
someone had them and saved them from the tip.
Regards, Mark.
Looking to track down an old HP 1000 series A900, A700, A600, A400
board. Its a 12042B Serial Interface board aka 5061-4941 or 5061-4919.
If anyone has one that they want to part with, feel free to contact me.
Thanks
Jesse Dougherty
Cypress Technology, Inc.
Re-Sellers of HP hardware
jesse (at) Cypress-tech.com
Bummer time.... I turned on my VXT2000+ today and after about
5 minutes there was a "pop" and a small puff of smoke from
the power supply. No smell like you get from a selenium diode
or other semiconductor. Now, the fan tries to run but only
twitches and the led blinks slowly. No obvious blown part
visible. Does anyone have a service manual for the H7109-B
Power Supply? I would really like to fix this but I can't
see paying $150-$250 for a replacement. (Actually, if I had
that kind of money I would, but I don't!)
bill
> I'm trying to find a way to get my DEC Rainbow's monochrome output onto a
> newer monitor than my aging VR201 (especially since I zapped something in
> it and my diagnostic efforts to date haven't fixed it).
I can't remember the video output on the Rainbow, but I wanted to do
something similar to have one setup for the S-100 machines. After
looking on eBay (before I banned them from my use), I found a device
that basically had RCA audio/video inputs with a VGA output. It also had
the advantage of having an analog TV tuner built in so I could also use
things like the old video games that had the Channel 3/4 output.
The device is buried somewhere so I can't tell you the brand.
> From: Fritz Mueller
> The most efficient way I think would be to work up a simple LDA loader
> that would fit in a boot sector, and load a diagnostic from contiguous
> disk starting at the second sector. It would then be easy to blast down
> just the boot sector and a single desired diagnostic
Yup, an .LDA loader wouldn't be hard.
> The good news is that my enhanced diagnostics now detect failures in
> the same physical banks and with the same bits
Excellent! I imagine you're busy with a soldering iron at this moment? :-)
Once those are fixed, it will be interesting to see if the problems you saw
with the OS's go away.
It'd be easy to hack V6 to turn on parity error detection, if you'd like to.
> Will have to see after I make the next round of repairs if there are
> still additional problems that the MAINDEC flags that my simplistic diag
> isn't shaking out.
It will be interesting to hear those results...
> I've also been somewhat surprised by the level of repair needed on this
> memory board. So far, I've seen 6 failed 4116 out of an array of 144
> total, so about a 4% failure rate. Is this typical for vintage 4116
I don't know about 4116's, but I've seen a fairly high failure rate on _some_
cards with 256K DRAM's - on one board, a couple of chips totally dead, some
others with just _some_ bad bits. Other cards were totally fine. I suspect it
depends on the chip manufacturer.
> Might be just a fastbus thing?
Could be - I'm not too familiar with the Fastbu.
> It's also hinted in paragraph 7.7.7 of the older KB11-A maintenance
> manual .. This particular text is removed from the later KB11-A,D
> maintenance manual, and the description there seems to imply all reported
> parity conditions trap directly to 114.
Ah... Looking at the "pdp-11/45 processsor handbook", 1972 and 1973 editions,
there's an "Appendix E: Memory Parity" (of which I was previously unaware!),
referred to in "2.5.6 Memory Parity". (I haven't checked to see if later ones
have it.) It claims there are "16 memory status registers ... each one
associated with an 8K section of memory". (It doesn't say whether UNIBUS
memory, Fastbus, or both!)
One bit in each register claims to be 'Halt Enable': "[when] set, the machine
will execute a halt if a parity error occurs"; when clear, it traps to 4!
Even better, it claims to be able to control whether the memory uses odd or
even parity! (How, for UNIBUS memory, I don't know - there's no way to do
this over the UNIBUS. And the MM11-L and MM11-U manuals indicate they both
use odd parity, although there's a CSR bit to allow wriring 'wrong' - i.e.
even - parity.)
Very odd. Maybe this was deleted in the hardware (or they decided not to do
it), and someone forgot to follow through in the manual? I recently found
another reference to a /45 CPU feature I'd never heard of - forget what it
was, alas!
> surprisingly, neither one of my M8106 has either a jumper or the
> indicated pull-up at that location! .... The fact that W1 exists on the
> M8119 is interesting; maybe the situation is that the prints are for
> later revisions, and my actual M8106 are earlier?
Could be. I wonder if there's any way to get ahold of the ECO list for that
card?
Noel
Anyone in the UK want a handful of Sun SCSI cables. Six cables of various
lengths with various combinations of narrow, wide and ultrawide connectors
including the tiny SCSI connectors. 5 quid as a paypal friend will cover
postage.
Regards, Mark.
All,
I'm looking for hardcopy of:
* Intel MCS-80 System Design Kit User's Guide
* Intel MCS-8 Manual (8008)
* Intel PROMPT-48 Microcomputer User's Manual
I've got PDFs of these, but I like original dead tree format when I can
find it.
Thanks,
Jonathan
> From: Paul Koning
> It checks if the bits 007750 are active in the parity CSR, if so it
> takes that to be an address/ECC parity CSR.
That's odd; those are the 'error address' bits. Maybe there's an assumption
that the sweep of memory to size it will have caused a parity error from
garbage in DRAM at startup? (If so, I wonder if it would work on a machine
with all core? :-)
> It figures out the CSR to memory association by going through memory in
> 1 kW increments ... This should set bad parity, and it scans all the
> CSRs to see which one reports an error ... If no CSR has that set, it
> concludes the particular block is no-parity memory.
Oooh, pretty clever - good workaround for rhe undefined relationship between
CSR's and memory.
If I added parity support to V6, I'd be tempted to do it with a
hand-configured table - devices are all manually configured anyway in V6, so
I'd be continuing a theme... :-)
Noel
2nd seller indicates he is the first seller. Just selling on UK eBay. Don?t think you need different IDs to do that but what the hey. Whatever floats your boat.
Hi All --
Thought you folks might be interested -- I've been working on a Xerox
Star emulator at LCM+L on and off over the past year and I've finally
unleashed it upon the world.? It's called Darkstar, it's open source and
it runs all the Star software I'm aware of.? The Ethernet interface is
still mostly untested, however.
You can grab the emulator and its source code on our GitHub site
here:https://github.com/livingcomputermuseum/Darkstar.? Disk images are
available on Bitsavers as always.? Thanks to Al for providing a lot of
assistance on this project.
Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.
Thanks!
Josh
This is not quite last call, but it is getting close ...
We have 16 exhibits so far and we need a few more to make the show work.
(20 would be nice, 25 would be ideal.) The event is March 23-24th in
Seattle. Soon I'm going to start working on the exhibit floor plan, set
the event schedule, and start to do the prep work that makes the show
possible. But I need to know who is participating before I get too deep
into that.
If you know you are definitely going to participate then please help me out
and formally register. If you have questions or are on the fence then let
me know and I'll try to help you decide. Maybe this is not the right year
for you, and that's fine ... but if there is something I can help you with
let me know.
I'm not fussy but if you can exhibit Commodore 8 bitters or Amiga equipment
then I really want to talk to you. :-) (We seem to have a gap in the show
there. Amazingly, nobody is doing an IBM PC related exhibit either.)
A description of the event can be found at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw .
General information for exhibitors including pictures from last year, a
link to the registration form, and a FAQ can be found at
http://vcfed.org/wp/vcf-pnw-exhibitor-registration/ .
Thanks,
Mike
mbbrutman at brutman.com or michael at vcfed.org
> From: Fritz Mueller
> Worked up some simple standalone diagnostics to map and test all the
> memory on my 256K MS11-P. Sure enough, I'm seeing some stuck bits at
> various addresses in physical address range 700000-757777.
Excellent news. (Sorry I've gone quiet - I got distracted from the analysis
effort by trying to finish up the -11/34 ucode transcription effort.)
Is it really an MS11-P? Those are EUB memories; I don't recall offhand if
they (like the MS11-M) have a jumper to configure them to operate on the
UNIBUS.
Noel
I am about to get our IBM1627 (rebranded Calcomp 565) going but the pens in
the case is quite dry. What is the best method to refurbish those? What is
the best solvent to get the old ink out? What ink to refill with?
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-rp4vyPPYu1ZjVRbnlyczV4czQ
[Cross-posted from the 3B2 mailing list]
Hi folks,
I'm in search of source code for AT&T's System V Release 3.2.1, 3.2.2,
and/or 3.2.3 for the 3B2. Does this exist? Has anyone ever seen it?
Note that I'm not looking for the System V Release 3.2 Source Code
Provision for the 3B2 /310 and /400 -- I already have that. It was
absolutely invaluable when I was writing my 3B2/400 emulator.
The reason I'm so keen on getting access is that I have ROM images from
a 3B2/1000, and I'd like to add support for it to my 3B2 emulator. The
system board memory map seems a bit different than the /300, /310, and
/400. These max out at SVR 3.2.
I can't imagine trying to add 3B2/1000 support without the 3.2.x source
code.
I imagine there's some tape image somewhere that's a delta of files that
take you from 3.2 to 3.2.1, 3.2.2 or 3.2.3?
-Seth
--
Seth Morabito
Poulsbo, WA, USA
web at loomcom.com
Hi - I am making some room. I have a two SGI Indigos. One of them is a R4K.
The second may be a r3k, but may be a r4k as well (I wont get a chance to
check til the evening).
Both will have ram/cpu/graphics/sled. If youre local, come and get them.
If no takers locally, I will ship for cost of shipping (but I wont get a
real chance to do this for a week or 2, if not longer).
Ping me if youre interested, thanks.
I have used Jorgs kit to get my 11/70 front panel running.
There is NO NEED to split the cables - for manual circuit, nor is there in the new
?cap? adaptor board.
I *THINK* Jorg has many cables and many panels and the split is a throwback
to some earlier work that I saw photos of.
My (wire wrapped, no using the new ?cape?) is at http://www.scotnet.co.uk/iain/DEC/1170/ <http://www.scotnet.co.uk/iain/DEC/1170/>
Flat 40 pins - no split.
I have not had time to document the process of the old or new board. All I can say is
that the kit turned a messy job into a fairly quick and easy one.
I can strongly recommend the kit to anyone.
It took me two nights with the circuit list and a wire-wrap tool to set up the board in the
link above.
Then an elasped day footering with the test software and scope checking signals etc.
With the newer 11/70 add on board I would think it would be a painless evening of work.
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 13:45:19 -0500 (EST)
> From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Cc: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu
> Subject: Re: "Plug and Play" adapter for PDP-11/70 panel - BlinkenBone
> update
> Message-ID: <20190117184519.32C6918C0BE at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
>
>> From: Jorg Hoppe
>
>> Now you can painlessly plug a physical 11/70 panel
>
> So I'm curious about the flat cables to the -11/70 console, which have been
> taken apart into individual conductors. I am wondering why?
>
> This doesn't seem to have been done because you needed to re-order them (they
> turn back into flat cables before they go into the connectors - although
> perhaps you cross-connected a pair of wires)? Easier access to individual
> signals for debugging?
>
> Needless to say, if people who want to build one of these also have to do
> this, I wouldn't exactly call it 'painless'! :-)
>
> Noel
Greetings CCtalk,
? Does anyone in the Boston area know of a working 80-column
punched-card reader?
? I'm working with a researcher at Harvard who's come across some very
interesting election polling data from the 1960 Kennedy-Nixon race,
punched onto about 10,000 cards (five boxes).? That's too many for
manual transcription, but too few for an industrial-strength solution.
? The cards are in a professionally-managed university archive, so it's
not as easy as just throwing them in a shipping box and sending them off
to who-knows-where to be read.
? Some of the cards are in binary format, so I'm fine with some ad-hoc
Pythonic data massaging, if I can just get the bits read.
? If anyone in the Boston area has a machine they might be able to make
available, could you get in touch?
? That's fedorkow at mit.edu
? Thanks!
/guy fedorkow
Hi there,
Those who complained about diminishing stash of 4:3 monitors, soon you
will have them all emulated, together with your favourite pdps and
standing in vr recreation of your bedroom of the era:
[
EmuVR Lets You Play '80s/'90s Videogames--in '80s/'90s Virtual Reality
Settings
https://www.core77.com//posts/82315/EmuVR-Lets-You-Play-80s90s-Videogames-i…
]
"You can even choose to play them on crappy '80s TV sets"
Monolith in a bedroom, anybody?
--
Regards,
Tomasz Rola
--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
** **
** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com **
> From: Jorg Hoppe
> Now you can painlessly plug a physical 11/70 panel
So I'm curious about the flat cables to the -11/70 console, which have been
taken apart into individual conductors. I am wondering why?
This doesn't seem to have been done because you needed to re-order them (they
turn back into flat cables before they go into the connectors - although
perhaps you cross-connected a pair of wires)? Easier access to individual
signals for debugging?
Needless to say, if people who want to build one of these also have to do
this, I wouldn't exactly call it 'painless'! :-)
Noel
> From: Al Kossow
> I found the brochure for the board
Ah, thanks very much! I had some details (from my old driver), but this
discovery of yours answers my open questions (e.g. board format).
Noel
Does anyone have an Interlan NI2010 (the QBUS version of their Ethernet interface)
manual?
Bitsavers has the NI1010 (UNIBUS), and I have a driver for the 2010, and between
them I can probably figure out the 2010, but the 'real thing' would be superior.
Noel
I have one of these and would like to get it working correctly, but
can't find any info on it from the internet.
It has a date code of 1989 and was built in Yokahama Japan, by who I
don't know.
Does anyone know who DEC had build there CRT monitors back then? Are
schematics available?
Doug
Does anyone here have copies of EDU Magazine by Digital Equipment
Corporation? I was unable to find any on Bitsavers. I am specifically
looking for No. 12, Summer 1974.
-Devin Monnens