- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by roblwill＠usaor.net

Hello everyone! Is there such a thing as a Mac emulator for a PC? I'd like to download some Mac stuff from the internet, but the only computer that has internet access is a PC. Any suggestions (besides buying one of those Mac/PC programs)? ThAnX, -Jason *********************************************** * Jason Willgruber * * (roblwill(a)usaor.net) * * * * http://members.tripod.com/general_1 * * ICQ#-1730318 * * /0\/0\ * * > Long Live the 5170! * * \___/ * ************************************************

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by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>< It's too bad most micros don't have a debugger in ROM. Except for >< computers made by Apple, I don't know of any. >Sorry, I meant home personal computers. PDPs, IMSAIs, various >development systems don't count. Satisfied? Most early "home computers" do have the functionality of a debugger in ROM - they just take decimal numbers, not Hex/Octal, and require you to type PEEK and POKE :-). Tim.

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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I know about that. A ROM-based debugger would be helpful if I don't have a bootable system. > >On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Max Eskin wrote: > >> It's too bad most micros don't have a debugger in ROM. Except for >> computers made by Apple, I don't know of any. I especially wish the >> PC had a ROM debugger. It would really help me feel like I'm using a >> worthwhile machine. > >Boot DOS (or open a DOS window). Type "debug". Not in ROM but its what >you want. > >Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Always being hassled by the man. > > Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 09/21/98] > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

< It's too bad most micros don't have a debugger in ROM. Except for < computers made by Apple, I don't know of any. I especially wish the < PC had a ROM debugger. It would really help me feel like I'm using a < worthwhile machine. Shows what you don't know. Non exhaustive list of micros with debug roms: PDP-11/03, 11/23, 11/73, 11/83, 11/84 (most all the non front pannel 11s) SC/MP IMSAI IMP-48 Kim-1 SYM-1 AMI EV68 series Motorola 6800D1 and D2 intel SDK-80/85/88 SWTP 6800 ALTAIR-8800b (the front pannel is in a 1702 prom!) Godbout 8080/front pannel replacement (octal keypad!) Netronics Exploror 8085 CCS 2200 series s100 crate Heath H8 Micromint SB180 (z180) Intel MDS-800 Intel MCS-8 (8008) MicroVAX series including VS2000, 3100, 4000 and others. I am very certain I've left a truckload of them off. Also if the PC had rom basic there are instruction in basic that allow access to memory, IO and machine language subroutines. Allison

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ATMs

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Actually, my father asked me, which got me thinking. You know, here in Boston, we had text terminal ATMs until about a year ago, when they were replaced by touch-screen graphical ATMs. I don't like them too much just because of the lurid colors. But anyway, I was just curious if they used a microprocessor, microcontroller, or something else... >> Has anyone here had any experience with ATMs? >> What sort of specs might an ATM have? How does it connect to the >> bank computer? >> Thanks >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > > >Uh, thinking of a little midnight "project"? > > >Aaron C. Finney Systems Administrator WFI Incorporated >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >"UNIX is an exponential algorithm with a seductively small constant." > --> Scott Draves > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Repair strategy (was Re: eBay strikes again...)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Because while VCRs are not considered modular by the general public, computers are. This means that while you can't tell someone that their VCR's motherboard is fried, you can say that about a computer. A repairshop trick to get more money, really. Companies help out a lot too. I'm sure schematics for a NSX Penitum-II 933 Turbo motherboard are a lot harder to find than those for a JVS VCR. And that's another reason why noone bothers to fix motherboards, because while a VCR has certain standard components, a motherboard can have damn near anything on it. It's also interesting how while a power supply is often the easiest component to diagnose and repair, it is always treated like a module, and I doubt many techs have been curious enough to open a PSU. I read in a book once that opening a PSU will cause damage to a special layer that prevents interference from the PSU to the motherboard. I haven't been able to substantiate this... >Actually, in the UK, it's _very_ uncommon to buy complete PCBs for TVs or >VCRs. Buying individual components is a lot more common. And custom chips >should be available while the device is in production, but good luck >finding them in 10 years time :-(. > >I am not sure why 'repairing' computers is done by module replacement >while TVs/VCRs are fixed to component level. It's no more difficult to >change a chip in a computer than in a VCR (a lot of modern VCRs are full >of surface-mount parts). It's no more difficult to trace the fault >either. > >-tony > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Week end acquisitions

by fauradon＠pclink.com

Hi all, Pretty good finds at the Minnesota Hamfest yesterday. 2 Gridpads Complete (only one set of manual) Anybody has software for those? The Voice, Odyssey 2 Spech and sound effects module Others that are not 10 years old but I'll brag about them anyway: 75 MHz pentium laptop ($20 working) Epson ActionLaser 1500 ($25 working) set of SCM ethernet cards ($2 each Unknown condition) Tere was a few other Grid computers, laptops of all sorts (zenith, toshiba, ps/2 70 ...), and a lot more but my budget was very limited this time so I pcked up the one I wanted the most. Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the desperately in need of update Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon/

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A record?

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, 1 November 1998 15:20 Subject: A record? > >I'd like to put forward a documented record of hauling a PDP 11/45 and >TU-10 tape drive and separate racks up two flights of stairs into a third >floor apartment between three people. >I'm sure someone will challenge this record and put it to shame, but I was >impressed with the feat. So am I. I'd have to concede that as being an act of considerable fortitude. I thought I did well moving a Vax 8530/6310 cluster, complete with 2 HSC50's, TA78/TU78 and about 15 RA8x and some RA7x drives from a warehouse to my parents house, then getting it up a narrow gap into a vacant granny flat. Over gravel. But we did have a forklift load it on the vehicle for us. I think the PDP effort beats that one. The TA78/TU78 was the hardest, and the heaviest.. It took six of us to move it all. (Called in a few favours, and a mate with a ute, uh, pickup in us-speak) This doesn't include the several large station wagon loads of 1/2" r-r tape and the docs for VAX-VMS 5.5. For those not acquainted with VMS, the manuals are loose leaf A4 Binders, and there are close to 40 of them. It's normally shipped on a pallet, and referred to by users as the "great grey wall" after the colour of the ring binders. (Some earlier versions were other colours, orange I think, but they weren't quite as big either.) Cheers Geoff Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au

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by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, 1 November 1998 17:22 Subject: Re: A record? >On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Computer Room Internet Cafe wrote: >> I thought I did well moving a Vax 8530/6310 cluster, complete with >> 2 HSC50's, TA78/TU78 and about 15 RA8x and some RA7x drives >This is pretty impressive in its own right! Didn't impress me in 40c+ temps. I still have this system. The 6310 (now a 6320) and 1 HSC50 + Star Coupler & the SA550 with it's 8 RA7x (3 72's & 5 70's) are the WWW, FTP and Email site for the school I work at. When it eventually retires, (again!) it's coming here, but that won't be for a few years yet. The 8530 and its CI adapter cabinet, and the TA78/TU78 are used as a room divider at the internet cafe. The 8530 console (DEC Pro380 alias a PDP-11) is sitting on top of it. It lacks only the console cable to make it a goer. The 78's need a couple of new power supplies, but were working til the psu's failed. 1 HSC50 and a cabinet with 3 x RA81's serves as the counter, with a side panel as a desktop. Makes interesting decor for an internet cafe. Mind you it will be a lot more interesting once I get it all working again. Cheers Geoff Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au

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teledisk (was: 8 inch floppies on PC's (was: TRS-80 Model II...

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

] Sydex (http://www.sydex.com/) has some very excellent software ] available for dealing with "foreign" floppy formats, and can deal ] with many (but not all) 8" floppy formats. Instead of going into ] ... >If you are referring to teledisk, it is worth noting that they no >longer offer a single-user non-commercial license; they stopped >offerring it as shareware in 1991, and is now solely a commercial >product with a licensing fee of $150. The shareware version that >can still be found out there is now "warez" - illegal, copyable >only by pimply-faced HaKkErZ with bad breath and no morals. :-/ >I exchanged e-mail with them recently about this, and though they >were polite, they refused to consider licensing it for less than >their stated price. As I use Teledisk for commerce, I don't have any problems with the $150 fee. I agree, it is a shame that the shareware version can no longer be registered for a small fee, especially because large quantities of freely distributable software is out there in Teledisk-image format (for example, all the POS-related RX50's for DEC Pro's are archived at Uppsula in teledisk format.) >Anybody know of any reasonable alternatives, for those of us that >are hampered by rules against theft? Sydex does have a product which fills many of the same needs that Teledisk does, and this is CopyQM. It supports 3.5", 5.25", and 8" floppies and even has some features that Teledisk didn't have. I don't have as much experience with it as I do with Teledisk, but CopyQM does have the advantage that single-user licenses are available for only US$25. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology Voice: 301-767-5917 7328 Bradley Blvd Fax: 301-767-5927 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817

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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Has anyone here had any experience with ATMs? What sort of specs might an ATM have? How does it connect to the bank computer? Thanks ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Ancient machines turning on (was Re: eBay strikes again...)

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: John Ruschmeyer <jruschme(a)exit109.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, 1 November 1998 10:42 Subject: Re: Ancient machines turning on (was Re: eBay strikes again...) >That is to say, because any software which ran on them can still be >run on a Pentium, there is little reason for someone to pick one up >just to run some beloved old game, Don't be too sure about that. Try running Chuck Yeagers Air Combat on a Pentium or 686. Or Battle Of Britain. one don't work, one exhibits some very strange effects. Both work very well on 386 or 486 machines. Cheers Geoff Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au

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teledisk (was: 8 inch floppies on PC's (was: TRS-80 Model II...

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com wrote: ] To: classiccmp(a)u.WASHINGTON.EDU ] Subject: 8 inch floppies on PC's (was: TRS-80 Model II stuff!) ] Message-ID: <981027110530.222003f4(a)trailing-edge.com> ] ] >... ] > I can serial port the machines togethet but, I have no idea how ] > to read off all the sectors of the 8 inches. ] ] This is a question that has been dealt with very thoroughly in the ] past. ] ] Sydex (http://www.sydex.com/) has some very excellent software ] available for dealing with "foreign" floppy formats, and can deal ] with many (but not all) 8" floppy formats. Instead of going into ] ... If you are referring to teledisk, it is worth noting that they no longer offer a single-user non-commercial license; they stopped offerring it as shareware in 1991, and is now solely a commercial product with a licensing fee of $150. The shareware version that can still be found out there is now "warez" - illegal, copyable only by pimply-faced HaKkErZ with bad breath and no morals. :-/ I exchanged e-mail with them recently about this, and though they were polite, they refused to consider licensing it for less than their stated price. Anybody know of any reasonable alternatives, for those of us that are hampered by rules against theft? I suppose I'll eventually write my own, but my schedule looks pretty well jammed clear into the next millenium. ] Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com ] Trailing Edge Technology Voice: 301-767-5917 ] 7328 Bradley Blvd Fax: 301-767-5927 ] Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Cheers, Bill.

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ATMs.

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: Jim Strickland <jim(a)calico.litterbox.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, 1 November 1998 12:46 Subject: ATMs. >Okay, curiosity time. What happens to obselete ATMs? Anyone here collect them? I've seen several, minus the electronics, at a hitech scrap dealer. (Same place I find a lot of computers)He sells them to opal dealers in Coober Pedy and Andamooka, plus an increasing number to owners of pistols. (er, handguns in us-speak, I suppose). Weapon ownership is extremely repressed here these days, and there are all sorts of draconian requirements about storage of firearms in general, and you can square that for pistols. (Almost impossible to license for Joe Average) Sometimes he has to pay a locksmith to open them, but he gets $500-600 ea for them. Cheers Geoff Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au

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Ancient machines turning on (was Re: eBay strikes again...)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

win3.1 has been pretty stable for me. win95 still seems too fragile in my opinion. everytime i have to reboot without shutting down, i pray it comes back up ok. i also cannot understand how a dos session can totally hang win95... i run OS/2 at work and i've never had a crash. sometimes the machine will hang due to network problems. so far, i've had the machine continously on for two weeks and still going. nothing from microsoft could do that! I've migrated to version 4 now which is better at getting around a hung application. david In a message dated 10/31/98 10:04:45 PM US Eastern Standard Time, maxeskin(a)hotmail.com writes: > I guess experiences vary wildly in terms of stability. I've never > had a problem with DOS or Windows 3.x in terms of stability. Some > crashes, but usually when running junky programs. Win95 I might trust > in terms of not crashing, but the filesystem is so unreliable, I stay > away from it. Linux, I'm running on this Compaq 386sx/20 with 6MB RAM, > and it's never crashed. Slackware. I dunno. I seem to be lucky with > not having things fail. I've plugged in connectors backwards many a > time, and have never fried anything. The SMPSU cut out. But then, how > many people would say DOS is unstable?

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by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Okay, curiosity time. What happens to obselete ATMs? Anyone here collect them? -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Most things under ten years old can't be repaired because they have weird custom chips. I guess the corporations did an excellent job convincing people that a machine should die, and be replaced, impossible to repair. 90V batteries? How big are they? How big is the radio? >Yes, _you'd_ fix it. I'd fix it, and I guess other people here would do >the same. But the general public seem to think that anything over 3 years >old can't be repaired.. > >One of the radios I use here from time to time is a 1950's Vidor portable >radio with the FM band. It's valved. I got it second hand and it needed >very little work to get it going again - mostly cleaning contacts and >valveholders. I think all the valves are original as well. I've made a >little mains PSU for it as 90V batteries are difficult to find nowadays. > >And I don't consider a set of that age that still works to be unusual at all. > >-tony > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I guess experiences vary wildly in terms of stability. I've never had a problem with DOS or Windows 3.x in terms of stability. Some crashes, but usually when running junky programs. Win95 I might trust in terms of not crashing, but the filesystem is so unreliable, I stay away from it. Linux, I'm running on this Compaq 386sx/20 with 6MB RAM, and it's never crashed. Slackware. I dunno. I seem to be lucky with not having things fail. I've plugged in connectors backwards many a time, and have never fried anything. The SMPSU cut out. But then, how many people would say DOS is unstable? > >Last reboot of this dos6.22/win3.1 system was three weeks ago when I shut >it down to shuffle the drives and replace a dead fan. It's quite stable. >Then again I tend to trash apps that don't behave! I've also tamed a >few unruly ones with carefull edits or the creation of a proper PIF >file. Considering the number of DOS apps I run under windows Setting >things up right is a necessity. > >To me GPFs are applications that under VMS would likely cause an >exception exit dump. GPFs are a poor error handling mech for programs >trying to do what should or are illegal things. It's easy to blame a >weak OS for crappy applications. Dos has few to no protections and >ragging on it is unfair. > >< compared to the stability (weeks and months without rebooting) of Linux, >< in turn doesn't approach the bulletproof reliability you expect from VMS > >The Slakware 3.0 Linux I have on a 386dx/33 that is a good machine but >with only 8meg of ram Linux is not that stable. Forget getting xwindows >to behave well in 8meg. > >< I freely admit I learned most of my computer science under Vax-VMS so I >< strong bias towards it, but I've also run moderately large scale vaxclus > >I'm biased as well, I run 7 vaxen here, two of which are LAVC members. >I also run RT-11, RSTS-11 and a lot of CP/M systems. > >< and at least the versions we used... 5.5a, if memory serves, were remark >< reliable. To the point where we once had a cluster server loose its dis > >Solid! I run both 5.4-4 and 5.5 and uptimes are limited by power on >times, though in the past I've seen months to years. > >< I'm not a programmer. I'm a sysadmin/netadmin type. Ease of programmin >< secondary to me compared to reliability. A system that crashes frequent >< the bane of my profession's existance, because it means instead of spend >< time on the entire environment and routine maintenance you spend more ti >< firefighting mode. > >That is why VMS, unix and their kin are used on the enterprize scale. >Dos/win was used that way but it was never conceived as a multiuser OS >nor as a networking server platform. Using it that way maybe a hackers >dream but a sysadmin nightmare. > >< We were discussing why people don't get attached to PCs as much, and any >< machine that bombs frequently or in general causes headaches seems to me >< it's not going to be high on people's lists. > >A machine that is poorly understood and marketed by processor speed >hype that shows zippy games. I still don't understand why a kid needs >a 300MHz PII to run simcity other than hype. To me it's simpler, one >486dx or PII is the same as another, ther eis nothing to distinguish >them. Even the PS2 series was at least different on the bus level. > >It's a matter of maturity of the system and all of the software. > >Allison > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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eBay strikes again...

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

On this list 'doesn't work' means 'smashed into three thousand pieces' In most places, 'doesn't work' means 'it doesn't do what I want it to' Almost anything that goes wrong with an Osborne (besides physical damage) is fairly trivial to fix for people on this list anyway. > >< "Again, the unit TURNS ON!! Incredible considering >< the age of the thing. " > >Gee, the NS* Horizon that turned 20 years old last march must really be >unusual in that I still use it and it's still reliable! > >Then again I have a battery portable TV I bought in '71 that still works >too. I see little majik in all that. I expect it to work and if it >didn't I'd fix it. > > >What scares me more, is the bozo thinks it turns on and lights and fans >mean it works. > >Allison > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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What is a PX4?

by pjoules＠joules.enterprise-plc.com

I have been told by the software house who supply us at work that there might be some old PX4s and PX8s in their storeroom which no-one wants any more. Does anyone know what these are? I gather that htey may be some sort of intelligent terminal as the chap comcerned said they they used to be used on site and then plugged into a modem to upload the data to their main database. Regards Pete

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Ancient machines turning on (was Re: eBay strikes again...)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

It's not that weird. Everyone knows that 286 and 386 machines are crap ;) In fact, one reason is that noone gets attached to them, and also because Pentia aren't that much different from 386s. So, no nostalgia. And, I think that early PCs were a lot less useful than some other machines of the time (like Commodores and Apples) > >> At 06:49 AM 10/31/98 -0800, Seth wrote: >> >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=38897455 >> >> >> >> ...with a broken disk drive and still 6 days to go! >> > >> >Aaah, my favorite quote from the auction posting: >> > >> > "Again, the unit TURNS ON!! Incredible considering >> > the age of the thing. " >> > >> >I guess I should consider my PDP-11/04 a bloody miracle then ;) >> >> And I'm going out to the garage to bow in humble supplication to me PDP-8/i! > >Isn't it something that you try to sell the obscure in your local area to have >people ask what you'd pay them to throw it away for you but newer items sell at >reasonable amounts. Get on something like ePay and the weird and no longer >desirable (by the average person) goes for weord amounts and newer machines >rarely get a look (ie 286 and 386 machines). > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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What is a PX4?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< I have been told by the software house who supply us at work that there < might be some old PX4s and PX8s in their storeroom which no-one wants an < more. Does anyone know what these are? I assume the are Epson. The PX8 is a portable z80 based CP/M laptop. If memory is correct the PX$ was an earlier predecessor of same. I have a PX8 and it's a nice machine. Allison

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eBay strikes again...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< "Again, the unit TURNS ON!! Incredible considering < the age of the thing. " Gee, the NS* Horizon that turned 20 years old last march must really be unusual in that I still use it and it's still reliable! Then again I have a battery portable TV I bought in '71 that still works too. I see little majik in all that. I expect it to work and if it didn't I'd fix it. What scares me more, is the bozo thinks it turns on and lights and fans mean it works. Allison

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eBay strikes again...

by aaron＠wfi-inc.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=37938902 ...with more than a day to go! And... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=38897455 ...with a broken disk drive and still 6 days to go! I would say "sign me up" to officially endorse Haggle, but I was browsing the listings and it seems that everyone starts their auctions at very high prices (at least the antique section, I didn't check anything else)... Aaron C. Finney Systems Administrator WFI Incorporated ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "UNIX is an exponential algorithm with a seductively small constant." --> Scott Draves

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eBay strikes again...

by dogas＠leading.net

Thats nothing... how about a TRS-80 Voxbox that just went for $300... - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net From: Aaron Christopher Finney <aaron(a)wfi-inc.com> >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=37938902 >And... > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=38897455 > >...with a broken disk drive and still 6 days to go! <snip> <snip><snip>

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What is this? Commodore Magic Voice

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Any idea what this is? It looked interesting so I grabbed it. I looks like it plugs into the ROM socket. It has a ROM socket and two RCA jacks on it. Joe

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What is this? Strange keyboard

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Thanks for the info. Any idea what the two cables are for? If you find the brochures, I'd like to get a copy. Joe At 06:24 PM 10/30/98 -0800, you wrote: >On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, Joe wrote: > >> I was wondering through a trift store the other day and found a odd >> keyboard. It's labeled "CompuNET 2000" and looks like a regular 101 key >> keyboard for a PC but it has two extra cables with miniture phono plugs on >> the ends. One with two contacts and the other with three. It also has two >> phone jacks on the back of the keyboard. There are a couple of extra keys >> on the board. One is marked PHONE and the other is marked LINE. Some of >> the numeric key pad keys are marked REDIAL, MUTE, VOL, OPER, etc. anyone >> know what this is for? > >I think this was a keyboard with a built-in phone. This is pretty recent >(within the last two years). It was good for call centers (i.e. >operations with lots of telephone operators for telemarketing or what >not). I have brochures for it somewhere. > >Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Always being hassled by the man. > > Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 09/21/98] > >

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About VCF 2.0 and system design

by dpeschel＠u.washington.edu

I keep meaning to post a "reaction to the VCF" message. Since I have to do a lot of compilers homework at the moment, now is the perfect time. :) I enjoyed the VCF and will come next time. (I may bring my Kaypro to show to people, or perhaps just software -- there were other Kaypro demos there. I will probably bring my HP-97 if I still have it. I will definitely bring my electromechanical Marchant desk calculator if it's working then.) I do have to say that it was a little disappointing, because I didn't see some of the machines I wanted to see (or if I did see them, e.g., at the Computer Museum, they weren't running). Those would be old machines that are cool by modern standards, instead of being cool by old standards -- Amiga, Perq, Acorn, Symbolics, Be, NeXT, maybe AT&T 3B, Blit, Sony with NeWS, PDP-10, PDP-11 with GT40, PDP-12, LINC, PDP-1. The speeches were fantastic and I should have gone to more of them. The flea market was useful but not as cool as I had hoped. Also some people were selling worthless stuff or were obviously non-hobbyists who were drafted to sell things. (I don't object to non-hobbyists with knowledge and interest nearly as much as I object to non-hobbyists who have no clues or scruples.) It concerns me greatly that I didn't meet many people my own age (24) and that many people there were in fact much older than I am. Now, as for the "system design" part of the title... I have this ongoing ideal (crusade, project, romantic vision) of designing a fantastic new computer, or at least a *sensible* new computer. We now have computing power to spare for frills as well as function; many design ideas have been tried before and their consequences are known to some degree; disasters have been proved to be dis- asters (often more than once!). It surprises me that I haven't seen much interest in this. BTW, the VCF is quite relevant to this topic because the concept of "look at all these computers at once and compare them" is extremely useful. I can think of two problems, though: - We had a thread about designing your own CPU. We've also had discussions about the lack of schematics and technical info. So it seems that hardware is less accessible to the individual amateur, and it's very difficult for the amateur to break through to the next generation. I don't know if it's true, but it seems that way. - Also, information is disappearing. There's relatively copious documentation about old hardware, but not much about old software (or old software itself). Didn't someone try to put together an archive of software info? I haven't heard much about it. Although hardware is important and my ideal computer is going to have super-kick-butt hardware, the hardware designers seem to be working things out on their own -- it's the software market that needs a poke or two. Let me know what you think. -- Derek

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ATMs.

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Okay, curiosity time. What happens to obselete ATMs? >Anyone here collect them? Due to security concerns - after all, you don't want anybody getting their hands on those little printing presses inside that make $20's - all ATM's are destroyed upon decomissioning :-). More seriously, the things are probably melted down for scrap. The ATM's that I've seen being serviced probably weigh as much as a small car. Many recent ATM's have PC-clone hardware in their "smarts". I've seen several different ones in the process of "rebooting" and displaying the OS/2 startup screen. I've seen out-of-commision ATM's show the "General failure reading drive C:" message, as well. Tim "Who is this General Failure, and why is he reading my drive C?" Shoppa

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What is this? Strange keyboard

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I was wondering through a trift store the other day and found a odd keyboard. It's labeled "CompuNET 2000" and looks like a regular 101 key keyboard for a PC but it has two extra cables with miniture phono plugs on the ends. One with two contacts and the other with three. It also has two phone jacks on the back of the keyboard. There are a couple of extra keys on the board. One is marked PHONE and the other is marked LINE. Some of the numeric key pad keys are marked REDIAL, MUTE, VOL, OPER, etc. anyone know what this is for? Joe

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Apple IIe (fwd)

by siconic＠jasmine.psyber.com

Someone wants to get rid of their Apple //e. That someone's message is below. Please respond to the original poster: Reply-to: mememe(a)sirius.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:14:24 +0100 From: mememejstrebel <mememe(a)sirius.com> Subject: Apple IIe My parents have our first computer, an Apple IIe sitting in my old bedroom, and I would love to find a new home for it that didn't involve the dump. Can you help me? -Judy Strebel Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)verio.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Always being hassled by the man. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0! See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details [Last web page update: 09/28/98]

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another request

by dhansen＠zebra.net

While I'm asking, does anyone know where I can find some software to use with a HP C1710A optical jukebox? Preferrably for the solaris platform, linux or windows (NT) will be acceptable if there isn't anything else. david

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8 inch floppies on PC's (was: TRS-80 Model II stuff!)

by mann＠pa.dec.com

Since my name has been invoked, I thought I'd jump in here. Please don't think I ever pointed anyone to www.warez.com, an extremely icky site with pictures of genitals and zillions of popup consoles that attack you as soon as you get there. The useful site for low-level disk manipulation programs that I pointed Larry to is www.diskwarez.com. Also, I'm not working on TRS-80 Model II emulation -- I'm just thinking about doing that in the future. I'm hardly an expert on the Model II. At Galactic Software I worked in the same room as one, but I did all my work on the Model I and III. I would be very interested in getting a copy of the technical manual for the Model II or 12, though! -- Tim Mann <mann(a)pa.dec.com>, Compaq Systems Research Center http://www.research.digital.com/SRC/personal/Tim_Mann/

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Lisa stuff update

by Marion.Bates＠Dartmouth.EDU

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Microvaxen bits etc.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< So that the connector would actually fit on the handle or bracket of < cards mounted on tight spacing. F connectors are huge. We talking about the same connector? F is the same one used to TV RF. Likely that's why they didn't use it (confuse 'net with video). However both are about the same size (give or take a few thousanths). The F connector uses solid conductor wire. That may have been the reason there too, solid center is less flexible.. Allison

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TI 745 for sale

by franke＠sbs.de

Kenneth Miller <khmiller(a)yahoo.com> has a TI 700 mobile Terminal for sale - maybe some of you remember this nice pice off portable Hardware (Termoprinter TTY with 300 Bd acoustic couppler). Please contact him directly when interested. >> Silent 700 Electronic Data Terminal Model 745. This is a real relic from the early 1980's. Does it work? I don't know, I haven't tried it. It includes a built in 300 baud modem with acoustic coupler and a thermal printer with a partial roll of paper. The unit is self contained but the cover is not shown in the picture. The shipping weight will be 16 pounds. << Gruss Hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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VCF II pix on-line

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

VCF II pix now available on my web pages. The direct URL for those who don't want to wander thru the menus: http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw/jcgm-vcfii.html They are not all captioned yet, so anyone who would like to throw in IDs on some of the pix missing captions are welcome. -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Help in MD needed

by david.ward＠nist.gov

At 01:27 PM 10/30/98 -0600, you wrote: >Is there a friendly collector in Maryland who'd be willing to help me pick >up and ship about 100 lbs of goodies to California? I'd compensate you >for your trouble, and offer to return the favor next time you hear of some >goodies available in computer-rich Silicon Valley. > >Thanks, >Doug > Doug, What, when, and where in MD is your goodie pile? Is it one item at 100# or several smaller items that total 100#? I'd have to work it in around the family schedule, etc.... Best Regards, David Ward ******************************************************* David E. Ward Jr. National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) Building 220 Room B-113 Gaithersburg, Maryland 20899-0001 Tel: (301) 975-3209 Fax: (301) 975-5360 E-mail: david.ward(a)nist.gov *******************************************************

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Microvaxen bits etc.

by dburrows＠netpath.net

>We talking about the same connector? F is the same one used to TV RF. >Likely that's why they didn't use it (confuse 'net with video). However >both are about the same size (give or take a few thousanths). The F >connector uses solid conductor wire. That may have been the reason >there too, solid center is less flexible.. Not to mention all the noise problems when the film on the center conductor is not scraped off when you assemble them. At least with BNC you have a gold plated pin that is either soldered or crimped that is making the actual connection. If it were not for the bad connection problems I have encountered I would gladly use F connectors. Dan

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To Mark Tapley

by cdrmool＠interlog.com

Hi Mark, just in case my e-mail to your address doesn't work again (my e-mail is going to be labelled an X-file pretty soon as nothing I send arrives and not much from the list is making its way to me). Anyway I'm at 55 Brookmount Rd. Toronto, Ontario Canada M4L 3N3. Please send the Rainbow doc's (I'll pass on the stand though). Tell me the amount and I'll get it too you right away. TIA Colan P.S. apologies to others on the list for this off topic letter but I didn't want to lose this opportunity for to Dec Rainbow stuff.

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Microvaxen bits etc.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< cables from the plates to the machines. Bore a 3/4" hole in the top plat < the wall in the attic, or in the bottom if from the basement (as mine is < and you can pass even the BNC through. Make sure to put foam sealant aro Been there and done that. < Not sure if F connectors were around back then, or if they were very muc They were but BNC is later than the original eithernet which used expensive and hard to assemble Type N. < use. Also it makes things much harder to disconnect. That's why they I can understand quick disconnect. Also It may have been an artifact of the WANG loop drops that used RG58/59 and BNC. < probably didn't use PL259 and SO238 combos since every had their fill o < threaded connectors from the twinax days. They are just plain too big. Allison

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Microvaxen bits etc.

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, 28 October 1998 9:55 Subject: Re: Microvaxen bits etc. >> >>While I'm at it, AUI-10Base2(or t) transceivers are also getting rare, > >Odd.. Why on earth should those be rare? Or don't people use AUI ports any more. Short answer is no. They don't. Not around here anyway. Most network cards produced these days don't have AUI ports on them. Unfortunately all my big (and some smaller) Digital boxen only have an AUI on their ethernet adapters. >You _might_ be able to raid the 10 base T interface chip, or the >10 base 2 transceiver chip + isolated PSU + transformers off a PC >ethernet card, make a PCB, and build your own transceiver. A lot of cards >(at least the old cards I hack about with) use standard chips like the >83C92 (10 base 2) or 83C94 (10 base T). The data sheets for the chips >give the application circuits, and most of the bits can probably be >raided off old ethernet cards. If I get desperate enough. I have no shortage of 10Base2 + AUI 16 bit PC cards. I'm really gonna have to find a pinout for the AUI connectors. And how to connect them. I have found a source for new txcvrs in Adelaide (finally) but it's rather more than I had intended to pay, when a s/h one would do. > >If you can find some old 10 base 5 transceivers (thickwire), then by >changing the connector, they'll often work on 10 base 2 networks. It's >not 'official', but it seems to be OK. Probably, but they are pretty rare as well. IIRC, I think the difference is only in the signal level injected into the cable, it's somewhat lower for thick cable due to the lower loss of the RG8. Modern ethernet transceivers are rather more sensitive, so unless you had maxed out the distance to the full 180 meters or thereabouts, it should work just fine. Cheers Geoff Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au (My other home)

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Microvaxen bits etc.

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

Tony Duell wrote: > She'd explode faced with this dining room, then. There's about 15 systems > that I can see without even trying. Along with printers/monitors/etc. The > total number of processors is probably over 1000. How many are you counting for the DAP? Philip.

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Tbar data monitor, looking for...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Just found a TBar Explorer, a serial data monitor model 5915-10 >from all I can see. Its working but I'm looking for schematics and manuals for it. Remarkably it seems to be of 1985 vintage! Allison

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PCjr with no disk drive?

by roblwill＠usaor.net

There may have been an advanced BASIC or something on a cartridge, but I think the ROM BASIC was in the M/B's ROM. -Jason *********************************************** * Jason Willgruber * * (roblwill(a)usaor.net) * * * * http://members.tripod.com/general_1 * * ICQ#-1730318 * * /0\/0\ * * > Long Live the 5170! * * \___/ * ************************************************ ---------- > From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: PCjr with no disk drive? > Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 1:15 PM > > At 09:08 AM 10/29/98 -0800, Sam said: > > >The PCjr had BASIC in ROM and didn't require a floppy to boot. > > Was the BASIC in a plug in cartridge and optional? > > Joe > >

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PCjr with no disk drive?

by rector＠usa.net

The PCjr has become a 'project' for me lately. I've been trying to find out all I could. I finally decided to add one to my collection and this past weekend went out and came home with 3 all for $1.50 plus a Commodore Vic-20 to boot. Here's what I've been able to find: The PCjr came in two flavors: the entry (model 4) and enhanced (model 67): Configurations 4860-004 - System unit w. 64kb, 62 key IR keyboard, two cartridge slots 4860-067 - System unit w. 128kb (includes 64kb memory and Display Expansion feature), 62 key IR keyboard, two cartridge slots, 5.25 inch 360kb FDD and adapter more details can be found at: http://www.can.ibm.com/helpware/4860.html There is also a fairly informative site at: http://www.pcenterprises.com/catjr/ -- Dan Rector

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Microvaxen bits etc.

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 05:22 PM 10/29/98 -0600, Doug Yowza wrote: > >For your next aniversary, buy your wife a wireless LAN. I don't miss the >wires a bit. I recently built a new home, and I thought I was being so forward-thinking by wiring it with Cat5 - then I started reading about the low-cost wireless devices coming down the pike. I did install an Aironet bridge back to the office, though, delivering T-1-ish speeds through the 4 1/2 miles of air, and allowing roaming PCMCIA wireless nodes at home at the same time. ObCC: Some of my collection will be connected over this link. :-) - John

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What is this? Strange keyboard

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

> I was wondering through a trift store the other day and found a odd >keyboard. It's labeled "CompuNET 2000" and looks like a regular 101 key >keyboard for a PC but it has two extra cables with miniture phono plugs on >the ends. One with two contacts and the other with three. It also has two >phone jacks on the back of the keyboard. There are a couple of extra keys >on the board. One is marked PHONE and the other is marked LINE. Some of >the numeric key pad keys are marked REDIAL, MUTE, VOL, OPER, etc. anyone >know what this is for? It is - surprise! - a keyboard-phone. Those extra cables go to a headset, and the numeric keypad works as a DTMF dialer. Tim.

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World Power Systems scam

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Does anyone recall the month and year the "World Power Systems" scam advertisement appeared in (was it?) Byte? - John

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Kurzweil KVS

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I would say it's probably more than 1%...but, is anyone here familiar with sound waves, and what human speech looks like waveform wise? > >On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > >> Even the task of parsing the input stream to separate the words from each >> other has remained an elusive goal. That is a loarge part of why the >> current "dictation" systems remain unsuitable for transcription, closed >> captioning, aids for the deaf, etc. Even now, the best systems available >> require intense interaction between the speaker and the program. > >Yup, it's a *very* difficult problem. Basically, there's not a >straight-forward mapping between sound waves and what we hear. Even once >you do all of the relatively simple signal processing and word >recognition, you're left with the basically impossible task of context >analysis (which requires almost all of our brain to get right, and we >still blow it about 1% of the time). > >-- Doug > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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