- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

I know, I should ask info-vax. But I'm not subscribed there :-( I changed the nodename on my DSSI drive (looks like an HSC50 to the VAX) and it still boots VMS but SYS$SYSDEVICE is set to $24$DIA264 not the newer, more friendly SYSTEM$DIA0: I tried doing an autogen but that didn't seem to change anything :-). Clues? --Chuck

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RL02 question

by dburrows＠netpath.net

>I haven't looked at these very close yet, but aren't the heads in the >drive, not the disk pack? Correct. > >The only damage I can imagine is the bearings and/or races got munged >up... I was meaning after you spun the disk up the first time. Even if you did not hear or smell anything. All to often you will not hear a head crash but you can smell the burning. Usually however with RL02's you will hear a ting stype of sound when they are crashing. Dan > >clint > > >On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Daniel T. Burrows wrote: > >> >I recently purchased a number of RL02 cartridges. Some are labeled: >> >RL02K-DC and some RL02K-EF. >> > >> >What's the difference between them? >> >> The -EF were error free. >> >> > >> >One had one side of the shock indicator set, a second had both set. >> > >> >Would it be a really bad idea to use either of these, or just a bad >> >idea? >> >> Depends of how brave you are.:) >> Clean the heads first anyway. >> Inspect them closely for any dings. Especially on the edges of the >> platters. Then be ready to spin the drive down if you hear anything when it >> first loads. >> Then inspect the heads again for oxide whether you heard anything or not. >> >> Dan >> >> >> >>

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HP 1600A State analyzer available

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Sorry but it has no probes, these will have to be scavenged for. Its in pretty good shape and easily meets the 10 year rule. Probes aren't too hard to find if you look carefully. Anyway, its free for the cost of shipping it somewhere, or if you are near Sunnyvale California (94087) then you can just pick it up. --Chuck

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Need help identifying the following IC/CHIP

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Ram Meenakshisundaram <rmeenaks(a)olf.com> TOSHIBA TC57H256D-70 JAPAN 8906YAA VPP 12.5V Does anyone know what type of IC this is and where I can obtain one? I would love to install this on my IPX and connect my T805-30MHz Xplorer to it. Thanks it's an Eprom or 256kbits size (27C256 class part). Likely 28 pins? The giveaway is the Vpp (programming voltage). Also it sounds like a special version with a 70ns access time. Allison

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RL02 question

by dburrows＠netpath.net

>I recently purchased a number of RL02 cartridges. Some are labeled: >RL02K-DC and some RL02K-EF. > >What's the difference between them? The -EF were error free. > >One had one side of the shock indicator set, a second had both set. > >Would it be a really bad idea to use either of these, or just a bad >idea? Depends of how brave you are.:) Clean the heads first anyway. Inspect them closely for any dings. Especially on the edges of the platters. Then be ready to spin the drive down if you hear anything when it first loads. Then inspect the heads again for oxide whether you heard anything or not. Dan

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Mouse Systems mouse driver

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

Would anyone happen to have a Windows driver for the Mouse Systems optical mouse that they could spare? Thanks Charlie Fox Charles E. Fox Chas E. Fox Video Productions 793 Argyle Rd. Windsor N8Y 3J8 Ontario Canada (519)254-4991, Fax (519)256-3388 foxvideo(a)wincom.net Check out: The Old Walkerville Virtual Museum at http://skyboom.com/foxvideo and Camcorder Kindergarten at http://chasfoxvideo.com

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Slowly blowing a CRT?

by geoff＠pkworks.com

>DON'T EVER GO INSIDE A RUNNING OR RECENTLY POWERED OFF >MONITOR OR TV WITH A CRT UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. Just how recently would recently be? That, frankly, is a matter of dispute. The *correct* answer is to know how to discharge the anode voltage, have the appropriate tools to do so and to measure the result to confirm success, and to perform the procedures properly. (Hint: If you don't know how, find somebody who does.) The service manual from whatever CRT-based device you're messing with should have proper instructions. And if you don't have the service manual, what in heck are you doing in there anyway? Thanks, Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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[OT^2] Re: Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I think I managed to hit 100+MPH on a few occasions. > > > > WHEEEEEEE!! > > I thought all Americans drove at no more than the 50? limit ;-) Speed limit on most U.S. Interstate highways is 65mph... urban areas typically mandate a lower speed limit, we have a section of Interstate locally known as Dead Man's Curve that mandates a 35mph speed limit for semi tractor-trailer rigs, and another section called Hospital Curve where the limit is 50mph for both trucks and cars (and I won't even get into describing our local section known as Spaghetti Junction). Montana? and/or North Dakota flirted with no limits outside ruban areas (actually the law specified that speeds must be reasonable and prudent for the conditions or something like that), but they maye have finally done away with that due to lobbying by insurance company interests. -dq

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PDP-11 history (was Re: Trash or Treasure?)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Jim Arnott <jrasite(a)eoni.com> wrote: > BTW, a short intro... > > I'm Jim Arnott. A former system admin for a LAN using: 11/24s, 11/23s and an > 11/44. O/S rt11sj, rt11sj and rsx11m+ respectively. All Decnetted together. > (Coordinate measuring machines talking to the data gatherer.) It's been a > number of years, but I do remember a bit... Also was hooked to the ibm370 > through RJE-HASP. Out of curiosity, how did you do the HASP connection? I didn't know anyone had an RT-11 HASP product. There were several RSX-11 and RSTS solutions, both from DEC and third parties. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/

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Switching RS-423 connections?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Hello everyone, I would like to build a "4:1" box that can switch between one of four DEC MMJ consoles. This is so my mini-cluster can have one terminal be the console for four machines. However, I've noticed that sometimes I get a 'break' sent if I simply unplug and plug, so to prevent that I want to make a "hold" circuit such that the VAX will continue to thing a terminal is attached. Any suggestions? --Chuck

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RL02 question

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

DC = normal data cartridge, whereas I believe the EF = error free. What do you mean by set? If you mean that its turned red, then I would be less than enthusiastic about using them, and if I bought them on Ebay or something, I'd want my money back. Will J _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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Trash or Treasure?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Sounds like a control computer for a GenRad automated pc-board testing system. They used various pdp11 machines to run their board testing machines. I'd say it's a pretty nice score. -Dave McGuire On September 22, Joe wrote: > A couple of weeks ago I found a box in a scrap yard with a half height 8" > floppy drive it in. The box was marked "Gen-Rad" and looked like part of a > old piece of test equipment. I picked up the box just for the floppy drive > and brought it home. Today I started to take it apart and found that it was > made by Scientific Micro Systems and has a number of DEC cards in it as > well as a Maxtor XT-1085 hard drive. My question is what is it and weather > it's worth keeping or is it just good for parts? > > Here's the details; It's marked "Gen Rad 2295 Central Station" on the > front. The back is marked "Scientific Micro Systems" "model MDX01170". > It's about 9" w x 11" h x 17" deep. On the back it has eight DB-25m ports > on the back. They're marked "TZ0" through "TZ3", "LP0" and "TT0" through > "TT2". Inside it has a DEC M7957 quad board, a half size board made by > Sigma Information Systems Inc (connected to the TT* and LP0 ports), a half > size "Q RAM 11" board made by Clear Point (memory?), a DEC M 8186 half size > card, and a half size SMS card (1002001-0001/0004220-0001) that is also > connected via a jumper to the last card, a full quad size SMS card > (1001939-0001/0003770-0001). The last card has ribbon cables that connect > to the floppy and hard drive. > > Does anyone know what it is? Is it worth anything? FWIW I haven't tried > to connect a terminal to it yet but it appears to power up and boot. > > Joe

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IBM XT 286 (fwd)

by vcf＠siconic.com

If there are any takers, please reply directly to the sender. Reply-To: DGBJ(a)aol.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:34:00 EDT From: DGBJ(a)aol.com Subject: IBM XT 286 I have an IBM XT 286 with color monitor, keyboard, two pin printers, manuals and software to donate to anyone who will make good use of it, preferably a museum. Email or call me at 371-7745. I live in San Jose, California. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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Link Contest Winner

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here are the results of the VCF Link Contest: Hits Website ------- ---------------------------------------- 529 Wireless http://wireless.com 0 Camcorder Kindergarten http://www.chasfoxvideo.com 91 Eric Smith's Retrocomputing Page http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/retrocomputing/ 25 Stan Sieler http://www.allegro.com/people/sieler/index.html 83 Geek and Guru http://www.geekandguru.com 2 Robots Wanted http://www.robotswanted.com 1 UK Classic Computing http://www.classiccomputing.co.uk 4 the antique computer virtual museum http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm 44 Computer Museum http://fee.co.uk 2 Tom's Classic Computers http://home.interpath.net/tcopper/index.html 4486 Obsolete Computer Museum http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/ 98 Jim's Computer Garage http://www.computergarage.org 0 pcbiography.com http://www.pcbiography.com 21 The Leonard Home Page http://www.outnumbered.org 13 Computer Collection http://www.mycomputers.org.uk 24 Retrospective of Xerox Alto, Star 8010 and Elixir Desktop http://www.damer.com/pictures/elixir/products/star.html 20 The Degrader http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Sector/4582/degrader.html 0 League Of Kentucky Sportsmen http://www.loks.org 2 arthurton.com http://www.arthurton.com 4 KitStop.Com http://www.kitstop.com 0 JDS Computers Home http://members.tripod.com/Colts_44/jdsc1.htm 100 A2Central.com http://www.a2central.com 0 Obsolete Mania!!! http://obsoletemania.8m.com 0 ICWhen.com http://www.icwhen.com 24 DOS_forever http://members.theglobe.com/frn/dos_forever/links.html 0 http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/maryha/ 0 Computer History Links http://members.aol.com/Historycd/ComputerHistory1.htm 1 Curtiss' Home Page http://www.pointecom.net/~islander 1 The Amsterdam Post http://www.adampost.com 10 The Near Future SurvPC Home http://survpc.virtualave.net/ 13 JD's Drury University Page http://198.209.54.227 1 All I Need to Know About Computers I Learend from my TRS-80 http://www.explainamation.com/words/trash80.htm There is a clear winner :) Congratulations to Tom Carlson. You will soon be $50 richer! Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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VT100 series video terminal technical manual

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

Does someone have a scanner with a sheet feeder attachment, and also have the desire to scan in the "VT100 series video terminal technical manual"? Its about 1.5 inches thick, all 3 hole punched pages. I assume others would find this manual worth downloading. -Lawrence LeMay lemay(a)cs.umn.edu

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VAX VMS TCP/IP bug? w/ Telnet

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Is there some known bug with the TCP/IP implementation of telnet in the DEC version of TCP/IP ? I installed a fairly recent version of TCP/IP on my 10 year old VAX and when I telnet to it the VAX is driven to its knees and the hub goes wild. Doing a trace on the packets reveals zillions of 10:56:25.213012 unix.1714 > vax.telnet: P 36303:36314(11) ack 20085 win 17520 (DF) [tos 0x10] 10:56:25.216076 vax.telnet > unix.1714: P 20085:20091(6) ack 36314 win 4369 10:56:25.216856 unix.1714 > vax.telnet: P 36314:36325(11) ack 20091 win 17520 (DF) [tos 0x10] 10:56:25.219984 vax.telnet > unix.1714: P 20091:20097(6) ack 36325 win 4369 10:56:25.220726 unix.1714 > vax.telnet: P 36325:36336(11) ack 20097 win 17520 (DF) [tos 0x10] As you can see from the trace a couple of things are strange. Why are the windows screwed up? Why are the TOS bits set? Very confusing. --Chuck

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RK05 transport tips ?

by djg＠drs-esg.com

>From: "jos.mar" <jos.mar(a)bluewin.ch> > >Hello list, > >I might be getting some of the Davos' PDP8 stuff that Megan >mentioned on the list . >The 19 " racks will have to be transported flat, i.e. on their side. >Any tips on how to handle the RK05, RL01 and RL02 ? >Is there some sort of locking mechanism on the R/W heads ? >I sure would hate ruining a I/O devices that I will not easilly find again... > >From alt.sys.pdp8 thread http://x76.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=668383000&CONTEXT=969718419.890961925&hitn… You can see the RK05 head lock at the top of the round positioner housing above the black fan in this picture. It is the golden L bracket with one hex head bolt through it. I don't have a RL0x so can't comment on it. http://www.pdp8.net/rk05/pics/topright.shtml or http://www.pdp8.net/rk05/pics/topright.shtml?large for a big picture which it is more visible in. The drive has a cover with a bunch of quarter turn fasteners which I don't seem to have in any of the picture online. When I moved a rack flat I removed everything up high or heavy in it to get it managable to tip into the truck. After you start tipping is not the time to figure out that its still too heavy to control. A RK05 is 110 lbs David Gesswein http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Old computers with blinkenlights

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cloning VMS installs?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> >Hi everyone, I'm trying to do fairly complete VMS installs on several >machines before Saturday and I was wondering if there was a better way. >Specifically, is it possible to create a standalone backup of a freshly >installed system and then restore that on several machines ? (I realize >that you have to replace the VAX-VMS license but other than that, and >changing the SCSNODE and SCSSYSTEMID is that all that is necessary? > Go for it, saves time. Use STABACKIT to clone the drive afer install but minimal confiuration. I've done it with fully configured drives as well. Allison

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VCF Madness!

by vcf＠siconic.com

Well, I'm rushing about as always before the big weekend getting everything ready. I'm more prepared than ever this time around so everything should go smoothly. I look forward to seeing everyone from the list who's coming to VCF. This is going to be a great weekend! Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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Got my PDP-11/34! Now what?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Well, here's an unpleasant fact... the troubleshooting part of the 11/34A maintenance card suggests "bad KY11-LB" if the run light is lit and there is nothing on the console.. Just in case you don't have the connections right on the M9312, here they are: the black wire from the console goes to TP4, the red wire goes to TP1, and the other wire goes to TP3. FYI, the KY11-LB is the front panel with switches, the KY11-LA is the one without... Will J _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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VT320 connector

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 29, 9:31, Adrian Graham wrote: > They're both true :) The MMJ (jack) is what you plug an MMP (plug) into! > > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > > > The connector is the 6-pin MMP (Moulded Modular Plug ISTR) > > which normally > > > > I've always called them MMJs (Modified Modular Jack IIRC). > > Does anyone > > know which of us (if either) is nearer the truth? Well, FWIW, AMP (who invented them) refer to them as MMJs or MMJ plugs :-) Logically, of course, a jack is the socket and a plug is, well, ... -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Slowly blowing a CRT?

by geoff＠pkworks.com

>> >> Good thing you didn't take the cap off the side of the tube, as you're >> looking at something like 18KV there. DON'T EVER GO INSIDE A RUNNING OR >> RECENTLY POWERED OFF MONITOR OR TV WITH A CRT UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT >> YOU'RE DOING. You could easily be electrocuted, and that would be, as >> they say, "bad." > >IMHO the EHT (the high voltage to the final anode in the CRT) is about >the least likely supply in a monitor to give you a dangerous shock. There >are 2 good reasons for this : The mains supply is obviously the most powerful voltage source in a VT320, but it is entirely wrong to dismiss the anode voltage, for two reasons. 1. My intention was to serve a warning, not to debate the merits of which and what. Somebody who admits to being in over their head, and who managed to blow the vacuum in a CRT and who doesn't recognize the symptoms, may well not know about the possible effect of anode voltage on the human organism - specifically, their own organism. If you've ever gotten across a CRT's anode voltage - as I have - it will knock you right on your ass. 'Hurts like hell, too. Yes, I know it's a high-impedance source whose voltage drops as the current rises, but if it does 100uA at 18KV, how much does it do at 100V? Making several assumptions, 18mA at 100V is quite enough to kill you if you just happen to do it right. And are you any less dead than if you'd plugged yourself into mains current? If you get run over by an automobile are you any less dead than if you got run over by a bus? *ANY* voltage source is worthy of respect. Anything over about 40V or so can be fatal in the right circumstances and I've gotten nasty tickles off 48V phone lines on hot days when I was sweaty and foolishly not being attentive to what I was doing. I've seen people weld themselves to 5V busses with their wedding rings, and suffer serious burns in consequence. 2. Unlike the mains supply, which "goes away" when you unplug the VT320, the CRT anode voltage takes a long time to discharge. I've had TVs take a day to do so. This is often surprising to novices, who sometimes learn the fact the hard way. > >2) The EHT is pretty hard to get at in modern monitors. It's produced >inside the potted flyback transformer/rectifier assembly and sent to the >CRT connector. Everything is well insulated. You're not going to touch it >by accident. Agreed, but here was a poster talking about removing the anode connector >from the CRT, presumably soon after powering the unit down. A classic invitation to "surprise" as ever I've heard one. Also, insulation on flybacks and the anode voltage lead is in an electrically stressful and hot environment, and sometimes gets friable with age. (I've got an old flyback in a junk box in my basement that amply demonstrates the phenomenon.) Even without attempting to remove the anode connector touching the wrong "insulated" thing in an old terminal without first discharging things can be very unpleasant. If you feel that getting across the anode voltage in a VT320 terminal is safe, that dying is unlikely, and that you're adamant enough about it to write to a newsgroup with your views, I ask you please not demonstrate your claims to attempt to prove your point. My whole purpose in making the capitalized comments in my original post was to save lives, not take them. Unless you've got a damned good reason to do otherwise, *ALWAYS* power off what you're working on before poking around inside, and make *CERTAIN* all the high-voltage nodes are discharged. And if for some damn-fool reason you can't do that, whenever you're poking around in circuitry with even a chance of getting a shock, take precautions. (And if you're uncertain, presume there is a shock hazard, and it is high.) In particular, keep one hand in your pocket and wear well insulated shoes on a dry floor. That way, even if you do touch something nasty the current path is less likely to be through your heart. This is *NOT* a sufficient rule, it is merely the first of many, but it is very easy to do and has saved many lives. Everybody, take care out there, OK?

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Slowly blowing a CRT?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >DON'T EVER GO INSIDE A RUNNING OR RECENTLY POWERED OFF > >MONITOR OR TV WITH A CRT UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. > > Just how recently would recently be? Just get out your welding cables and triple layers of rubber gloves, connect one end of the cable to the nearest water pipe, then wedge the tip of an aluminum welding rod up underneath the flyback's attachment to the crt, and prepare for fireworks. YMMV. 8D -dq

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VT320 connector

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> [VT320 cabling] > > > (a) Separate DB25 (female or male) with DEC cable offset > > > connection along with a separate cable with the DEC offset > > > at each end > > > > The connector is the 6-pin MMP (Moulded Modular Plug ISTR) > which normally > > I've always called them MMJs (Modified Modular Jack IIRC). > Does anyone know which of us (if either) is nearer the truth? On mine, the connector lacks any designation; however, the cable says "DECconnect Office Cable". -dq

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[OT^2] Re: Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Peter Joules wrote on 9/27/00 4:28 pm: > > >> I think I managed to hit > >100+MPH on a few occasions. > >> > >> WHEEEEEEE!! > > > >I thought all Americans drove > >at no more than the 50? > >limit ;-) > > > >-- > >Regards > >Pete > > > not really. My friends and I went out mischiefing one > evening.l didn't drive so my friend took us. We hit 130 mph > on the local highway. Ok, until recently (every suspension component needs replacing) my '86 Quattro was pretty fast... on a long flat section of I-64 in southern Indiana, I had it up to 140mph. I think the car had more to give, but my cajones max out at 140. And just to get this back on topic, stock, this car won't go that fast, but I modified the engine controller, a 6805-based embedded processor, by customizing the ROM to not dump the turbo's boost out the wastegate as soon (stock, boost maxes out at 1.3bar, but mine makes it up to 1.8bar), and by adding a bit more fuel via the fuel frequency valve to keep from putting holes in the tops of the pistons. Since the engine controller, like the car, was built in 1986, it vaguely qualifies as being over 10 years old. Stomp on that accelerator, then: one-mississippi, two mississippi, Whoosh! -doug q

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cloning VMS installs?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Hi everyone, I'm trying to do fairly complete VMS installs on several machines before Saturday and I was wondering if there was a better way. Specifically, is it possible to create a standalone backup of a freshly installed system and then restore that on several machines ? (I realize that you have to replace the VAX-VMS license but other than that, and changing the SCSNODE and SCSSYSTEMID is that all that is necessary? --Chuck

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3b2 tape request

by jwest＠mppw.com

Greetings folks; I have a friend who got into 3b2 gear recently. He needs a boot tape for SYSV322. Aparently the boot code for his system has some special code for his model so not just any 3b2 boot tape will work? His system is a 3b2/600G. Can anyone help? Jay West

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VCF

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

Hi, See you all tomorrow at the VCF. For those who care I'll be wearing a TOPO TOPO TOPO TOPO HELLLLO T-Shirt. I hope to get to meet some of you... Francois

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cloning VMS installs?

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

I don't see why not; VMS itself isn't tied into the SID of the machine. Obviously just install onto one disk in one machine then transfer that vanilla install via STABACKIT onto the others....I gather we're talking VAXen here? I love booting standalone backup off tape.....:o) Not. What I've done in the past is install onto one system then put that disk into the next machine and image backup across onto another one etc.....ISTR there weren't any problems, but it was a few years ago! a > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck McManis [mailto:cmcmanis@mcmanis.com] > Sent: 29 September 2000 07:40 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: cloning VMS installs? > > > Hi everyone, I'm trying to do fairly complete VMS installs on several > machines before Saturday and I was wondering if there was a > better way. > Specifically, is it possible to create a standalone backup of > a freshly > installed system and then restore that on several machines ? > (I realize > that you have to replace the VAX-VMS license but other than that, and > changing the SCSNODE and SCSSYSTEMID is that all that is necessary? > > --Chuck >

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VT320 connector

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

They're both true :) The MMJ (jack) is what you plug an MMP (plug) into! > -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > Sent: 28 September 2000 21:04 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: VT320 connector > > > [VT320 cabling] > > > (a) Separate DB25 (female or male) with DEC cable offset > > > connection along with a separate cable with the DEC offset > > > at each end > > > > The connector is the 6-pin MMP (Moulded Modular Plug ISTR) > which normally > > I've always called them MMJs (Modified Modular Jack IIRC). > Does anyone > know which of us (if either) is nearer the truth? > > -tony >

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VT320 connector

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> >I've always called them MMJs (Modified Modular Jack IIRC). Does anyone >know which of us (if either) is nearer the truth? > >-tony Tony is correct. That is the DEC description and usage save for here we do use both jack and the plug that goes into it. So MMJ is the most common MMP with it being Modified Modular Plug is right but uncommon. Allison

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VAXstation 4000/VLC and Tape Drives

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

OK, I'm stumped here. I'm trying to get it so I once again have a VAX as part of my cluster, and I'm wanting to have him be a Tape server with both a 4mm and a TZ30 drive. I've got the following setup Drive SCSI ID ----------- ---------- 2 GB HD 0 TZ30 3 CD-ROM 4 4mm 6 Here is what I see for tape drives: $ sho dev mk Device Device Error Volume Free Trans Mnt Name Status Count Label Blocks Count Cnt $12$MKA300: (LNGTOM) Online 0 $ Where on earth is my 4mm. I can't see it from the ROM prompt either. Is there something about the VLC that only lets you have a tape at SCSI ID #3? IIRC, that's the standard DEC location for a tape drive. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> >It is better to tell undergrads that cars do not fly, then to explain to >them that _most_ cars don't fly but some very creative types in Santa >Monica once converted a Pinto into an airplane by attaching wings and a >tail and adding a pusher prop. True, Palm was a weak choice but there are plenty of OSs that are romable. >I usually hear on of three reasons why people "drop out" of college: > > 1) They run out of money. > 3) They quit to pursue an opportunity of a lifetime. > > Well if they are interviewing with me then that opportunity > didn't work out, and if they didn't go back to school > then I have to wonder if maybe they just weren't cut > out for it. I add #4 1 occured, 3 kept me eating and 4 was major surgery with a long recovery. I may be the oddball, I didn't go back as my career was moving forward dispite that and I had no qualms of going back for non grad (and non credit) courses. >college, seeks out things to learn about, plows through the paper work and >general education requirements, and exits with a diploma is someone I will I larned to accept the paper as in engineering there are two rules. 1) if you didn't write it down it never happend (or isnt done) 2) for every hour of design there will be many hours of documentation about it. 30 years in the biz supports that. Rather than tolerate pablum in classes I chose to challenge the profs. I had time carrying a techs bag (how I paid for school) so there were things I knew and could be intelligent on and sometimes I had to eat a foot for being stupid. In the end I learned and I learned more because I wanted more. Education is worth what you put in it. >taught anything. I ask them, "Why did you tolerate not learning anything?" >And they are usually pretty dumbfounded like, "Gee aren't you just supposed >to put in your 2 to 4 years and get out?" Your right, that is lame. Oh, the biggest peice of foot I ever ate... small computers will never be as prolific as they are. However, despite that I was designing with 8008 in '73, it was interesting (and that golden opportunity). Allison

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[OT^2] Re: Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Kevin Stewart <stewart_kevin(a)hotmail.com> >not really. My friends and I went out mischiefing one evening.l didn't drive so my friend took us. We hit 130 mph on the local highway. Back when I was younger...and dumber I did the Boston to NY run at 4am in 3hours and 45 minutes, the milage was 228, you do the math... remember thats an average, the peak was 134. Seems there is traffic and tools at the NY end. Allison

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Speed Limits

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: John Allain <John.Allain(a)donnelley.infousa.com> >I believe I saw 75MPH in rural Kansas just two years ago. > >[The first place I saw 65MPH return was Route 128 > (Technology Highway) outside Boston. Fitting.] I'm old enough to remember crusing up the Northway (RT-87 NY) at 75 and have a cop pass me a give a dirty look cos the old ford was doing the best if could! Here in MA, I drive RT495 and RT going north in the AM (against traffic) and there are times when 75, aint near fast enough to avoid getting run over >from behind. Yet every day I see at least one Darwin award wanna be. Stupid people tricks. Allison

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[OT^2] Re: Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS)

by stewart_kevin＠hotmail.com

Peter Joules wrote on 9/27/00 4:28 pm: >> I think I managed to hit >100+MPH on a few occasions. >> >> WHEEEEEEE!! > >I thought all Americans drove >at no more than the 50? >limit ;-) > >-- >Regards >Pete > not really. My friends and I went out mischiefing one evening.l didn't drive so my friend took us. We hit 130 mph on the local highway. kevin

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Video digitizing in ~1976?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

My "Ancient Alphabetic Art" web page (at http://www.threedee.com/jcm/aaa/) generated an inquiry >from a visitor. He wrote: >I recently found a photo of me & my mom taken arounf 1976. It was taken >at the Del Mar Fair in San Diego and it was a booth that took your photo >with a computer and then printed it out on an old dot matrix printer and >the photo was made up of letters - there was no variation in density so >the type of letter is what made the difference. You could get it >printed on a paper or a t-shirt. (thank god we got the paper because >there is no way we'd still have the t-shirt) I can't believe we still >had the paper. I am going to take the image to work tomorrow and scan it >and e-mail it to you. I am dying for any information about how this >picture was made and on what system with what program and if these even >still exsist. ... >Like i said in 1975 at a town fair me & my mom sat in >front of a computer and it printed out this photo on a >dot matrix printer. He sent along a scan of an old image he had. You can see it at http://www.threedee.com/jcm/aaa/erik.html if you like. I remember systems like this, too. Who made them? What were their specs (which printer, what sort of video digitizer, etc.)? I would suspect they were a franchise of some sort. - John

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Slowly blowing a CRT?

by geoff＠pkworks.com

Good thing you didn't take the cap off the side of the tube, as you're looking at something like 18KV there. DON'T EVER GO INSIDE A RUNNING OR RECENTLY POWERED OFF MONITOR OR TV WITH A CRT UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. You could easily be electrocuted, and that would be, as they say, "bad." It sounds to me that when you pulled the socket off the end of the tube or put it back on you broke the vacuum stem. Most of the connections to the innards of a CRT go through the pins at that end, and in the middle is usually a sealed thin glass tube (which may be buried under a cylindrical plastic key), which is where the manufacturer attached the pump to evacuate the whole thing during manufacturing. Alternately, you may have cracked the glass frit seals around one or more of the pins when you pulled off or put on the socket. If you've cracked the stem or a seal and lost the vacuum the CRT is gonzo and will have to be replaced. -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 3:15 PM Subject: RE: Slowly blowing a CRT? >Paul- > >I can't help you with parts or theory-of-operation, but if >you need a working amber VT320, I've got one for sale. > >regards, >-doug q > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul Williams [mailto:celigne@tinyworld.co.uk] >> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 3:46 PM >> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >> Subject: Slowly blowing a CRT? >> >> >> I spent an half an hour today operating beyond my level of competence, >> but I seemed to get away with it. >> >> I took apart an old VT320 terminal because I wanted to measure the >> display refresh rate. From disassembling the ROM I know that a frame >> interrupt is passed to the microcontroller, so I thought I'd open the >> case, prise apart the tube and the main PCB, connect an oscilloscope >> probe to the appropriate pin on the microcontroller, power up the >> terminal and get my timings. >> >> I was reassembling the terminal when an odd rattling and >> whistling sound >> made me dive for cover. This noise went on for about 15 >> seconds and then >> all went quiet. I very nervously approached the terminal and finished >> snapping the case together. I've not attempted to power it up since. >> >> I had noticed that the tube bore a label claiming that it had an >> implosion protection system, so several questions occur to me. >> >> 1. Is it possible that I've somehow blown the tube by shorting one of >> its connections soon after disconnecting the power? I noticed >> that there >> are a number of large capacitors on the circuit board, but I >> don't know >> how long they take to discharge. >> >> 2. There are two sets of wires going to the CRT. One set of >> five (six?) >> goes to a cap on the end of the tube, and another wire (HT?) >> goes to the >> side of the tube. I took the cap off the back of the tube, but didn't >> touch the wire at the side. Can that be safely disconnected? >> >> 3. Why would a mere software engineer be doing something this >> foolhardy? >> Don't even attempt to answer that. >>

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Video digitizing in ~1976?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> My "Ancient Alphabetic Art" web page > (at http://www.threedee.com/jcm/aaa/) generated an inquiry > from a visitor. He wrote: [..snip..] > >Like i said in 1975 at a town fair me & my mom sat in > >front of a computer and it printed out this photo on a > >dot matrix printer. > > He sent along a scan of an old image he had. You can see it at > http://www.threedee.com/jcm/aaa/erik.html if you like. > > I remember systems like this, too. Who made them? What were > their specs (which printer, what sort of video digitizer, etc.)? > I would suspect they were a franchise of some sort. God, wasn't that yet another end-of-life application for the IBM 1130? I remember them being used for automated horoscopes and other stuff, set up at the damned mall. Two booths down was the splatter-art booth (non-computerized, what *did* they call that???). -dq

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Computer Market Phases

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 05:14 PM 9/28/00 -0400, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: >But money that requires a working network link in order to be >used will never be acceptable to me. It's one thing to have to >wait a few minutes until they can make a connection (i.e. to get >a dial tone as I mentioned above); it's another to have to come >back the next day to make a purchase that's needed right _now_. Here in southern Wisconsin, we recently had an outage where (I think) a backhoe operator *stretched* a fiber cable, resulting in an unusually difficult-to-patch series of breaks. Everything was down in several counties for a long while: net, long-distance between counties, city-to-city, ATMs, cellular. The local bank would've given me cash if I'd known my account number when I walked in, but my ATM card wasn't sufficient - an example of how one number is better than another, I guess. :-) - John

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VT320 connector

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >> > The connector is the 6-pin MMP (Moulded Modular Plug ISTR) > >> which normally > >> > >> I've always called them MMJs (Modified Modular Jack IIRC). > >> Does anyone know which of us (if either) is nearer the truth? > > > >On mine, the connector lacks any designation; however, the > >cable says "DECconnect Office Cable". > > Yuck I have some of these, either miniDin9 or close on one end, looks like > RJ11 on the other (hoped they were serial cables for Seiko label printers), > but clearly marked DECconnect Office Cable. Rats. Mine have the offset RJ-11-looking connector on both ends; one of which plugs into the adapter that has a femail DB25 on the other end. -dq

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Computer Market Phases (Was: Our fine educational system (was : Login on VMS))

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jerome Fine [mailto:jhfine@idirect.com] > >Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > Jerome Fine replies: > > I agree that the 711 and 716 referred to below had the patch cables, > but also as referred to below, the IBM 650 which arrived around > 1955 (if I remember correctly) was a full blown computer. [..snip..] > Since the IBM 650 had over 20 KByes of memory (yes I know it was on a > drum, but it was still there) along with solid state memory of between 200 and > 600 bytes, I really do think it qualified as a full blown computer - even though > the 20 KBytes of memory (actually 2000 * 10 decimal digit values) was on a > drum. And the I/O was mostly ONLY punch cards. The version of the > IBM 650 (sort of dates me - doesn't it) I worked with also had 3 tape drives. Was I thinking of a 605? Or, despite its actual architecture, was the 650 perhaps marketed as a calculator? And yeah, patch panels, still got one or two of those... > I realize that the CPU was probably slower than a present day calculator. > But for insurance companies, it was still far faster than a 711 and a card > sorter and that 716 printer - especially the models with the tape drives. > > The key aspect that drove the computer revolution was that accounting > with even the IBM 650 was far faster than a whole room full of clerks. > IBM justified the price of each such computer based on how much it > would save the customer rather than how much it cost to make the > computer. That computer market held for a long time and the companies > that made computers had no trouble making a profit. Agreed. > But I am really after what the market MIGHT be like in 2010? In > industrial countries, will the use of the computer be as necessary > as the telephone - indeed will most (all?) phone conversations take > place via a computer via the internet? Will the internet become > as widespread as phones are now? Might almost everyone have > their own cell phone and land lines kept only as an older system? > When will the last x86 instruction set chip be made? The PSTN is a nearly flawless network. Not quite, but nearly... my LOC has been overselling its switches recently. When I pick up a phone at 8:30pm EDT and can't get dial tone, I get P-O'd very quickly. Of course, we all know where all those switch connections are being used for... ;-) > On a different note, might the use of cash (folding money) become > so rare that only the criminal element would require this mode > of exchange. If so, it might become more reasonable to ask > the law abiding folk to give up a bit of their privacy, as well as > the underground economy, and thereby be able to curb corruption. > Since so much of the legal economy is already based on plastic > and the internet (I hear that in Canada, cheques are way down > and the Interact is the most popular way of buying groceries) > which becomes not only safer for the buyer but many fewer > bad cheques for the vendor. The other day, I needed to make an urgent medical purchase at the local pharmacy (chemist for some of y'all), but was unable to do so, because "the satellite link is down". When businesses begin allowing customers to run a tab (as standard policy) when they can't use their ATM cards for a transaction (and we're talking about people who would either be denied a credit card or forced into what nearly amounts to indentured servitude to get one), then I'll say we're on our way to a cashless society. But money that requires a working network link in order to be used will never be acceptable to me. It's one thing to have to wait a few minutes until they can make a connection (i.e. to get a dial tone as I mentioned above); it's another to have to come back the next day to make a purchase that's needed right _now_. > Eliminating cash would be a fundamental change to society. > But the internet might make that possible. I don't think that > this type of speculation was included in Market Phases, but > perhaps. More OT I guess. Oops, yup, there we go again, right over the topic edge... :-) -dq

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Computer Market Phases (Was: Our fine educational system (was : Login on VMS))

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Not really computers IMHO (no flames please). These systems were > > wired up with patch cables to perform specific calculations, then > > rewired for the next. Although the patch cables can be considered > > a form of 'stored program', it's just not the same. > > Hmmm! Seems like I remember something about punched card input to tube > type computers in that era. Wouldn't that qualify? Yup... the IBM Model 650 Calculator was a card-fed machine. Tube & relay- based, it came with the model 711 card reader and model 716 line printer (which I once owned and wish I hadn't stripped for recycling 10 years ago). :-( -dq

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Slowly blowing a CRT?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

!!!!! Sorry again, everyone, for what was supposed to be a private response. -dq > Paul- > > I can't help you with parts or theory-of-operation, but if > you need a working amber VT320, I've got one for sale. > > regards, > -doug q >

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VT320 connector

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Jerome typed thusly: > I acquired a couple of VT320 terminals, but I forgot about > the DEC offset connector at the rear. On inquiry, I am told > that they come in two flavours: > (a) Separate DB25 (female or male) with DEC cable offset > connection along with a separate cable with the DEC offset > at each end The connector is the 6-pin MMP (Moulded Modular Plug ISTR) which normally came attached to a BN16E cable like this one here - <holds up BN16E-10 and waves it in front of the screen :)>. The DB25 plug is an H8571 and there are several sub-variants depending on gender of the DB25 end and whether pins 2&3 are crossed over, plus a 9-pin version of same called an H8575 (from memory). You can also get RJ45-MMP cables, part #BN24H and BN24J depending on whether you need straight through or crossed. If your VT320 is a UK one it comes with a standard male DB25 socket on the back anyway, ISTR US ones didn't. I can probably find spares of all of the above.... cheers

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Slowly blowing a CRT?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Paul- I can't help you with parts or theory-of-operation, but if you need a working amber VT320, I've got one for sale. regards, -doug q > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Williams [mailto:celigne@tinyworld.co.uk] > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 3:46 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Slowly blowing a CRT? > > > I spent an half an hour today operating beyond my level of competence, > but I seemed to get away with it. > > I took apart an old VT320 terminal because I wanted to measure the > display refresh rate. From disassembling the ROM I know that a frame > interrupt is passed to the microcontroller, so I thought I'd open the > case, prise apart the tube and the main PCB, connect an oscilloscope > probe to the appropriate pin on the microcontroller, power up the > terminal and get my timings. > > I was reassembling the terminal when an odd rattling and > whistling sound > made me dive for cover. This noise went on for about 15 > seconds and then > all went quiet. I very nervously approached the terminal and finished > snapping the case together. I've not attempted to power it up since. > > I had noticed that the tube bore a label claiming that it had an > implosion protection system, so several questions occur to me. > > 1. Is it possible that I've somehow blown the tube by shorting one of > its connections soon after disconnecting the power? I noticed > that there > are a number of large capacitors on the circuit board, but I > don't know > how long they take to discharge. > > 2. There are two sets of wires going to the CRT. One set of > five (six?) > goes to a cap on the end of the tube, and another wire (HT?) > goes to the > side of the tube. I took the cap off the back of the tube, but didn't > touch the wire at the side. Can that be safely disconnected? > > 3. Why would a mere software engineer be doing something this > foolhardy? > Don't even attempt to answer that. >

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VAXStation 4000 VLC

by stewart_kevin＠hotmail.com

Hello all, I have a VaxStation 4000 VLC (David I promise I'm going to send the Amiga this weekend!) without an OS. I'd love to run VMS on it (I have a DECUS membership -- I love free student memberships ;) ) but I have no idea how to go about it. I have an external 1.3 gig SCSI drive for the SCSI port, an AUI -> BNC transceiver for ethernet... but no console. I'm looking for that cable to go from the serial port to a terminal. Where can I get one? Also, are there any FAQs or documents that describe installation? I have a SCSI CD (1X, woohoo!) and an NFS/FTP server. BOOTP is almost set up, DHCP already is. Can the machine come to life with bootp and tftp? Is it possible to install VMS this way? Thanks, Kevin

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VT320 connector

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 28, 10:01, Adrian Graham wrote: > Jerome typed thusly: > > > I acquired a couple of VT320 terminals, but I forgot about > > the DEC offset connector at the rear. On inquiry, I am told > > that they come in two flavours: > > (a) Separate DB25 (female or male) with DEC cable offset > > connection along with a separate cable with the DEC offset > > at each end > > The connector is the 6-pin MMP (Moulded Modular Plug ISTR) which normally MMJ -- Modified Modular Jack; it's based on an an RJ11 but with the latch offset. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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It runs!

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

MicroVAX III? > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Lane [mailto:kyrrin@bluefeathertech.com] > Sent: 26 September 2000 20:18 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: It runs! > > > Yes, indeed it does! It's official as of this morning > -- I'm managing my > own web server (a SPARCClassic at the moment, most likely a > MicroVAX III > later) thanks to a solid DSL pipeline, a Zyxel router (not > classic - in > production less than a year), and some static IPs.

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DEC-423 MMJ -> Serial

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

See my other reply to Jerome! > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Stewart [mailto:stewart_kevin@hotmail.com] > Sent: 28 September 2000 12:24 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: DEC-423 MMJ -> Serial > > > Hello, I'm looking for a DEC 423 MMJ to DB9 or DB25 cable. > Can anyone point > me in the right direction? > > Thanks, > Kevin >

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