- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:23:41 -0500 David Gesswein <djg(a)drs-esg.com> writes: > I don't know if anybody is still interested... > I scanned the RX02 technical manual and it is now online > http://www.pdp8.net/pdp8cgi/query_docs/view.pl?table=pdp8docs&id=139 Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I had been hoping that someone would do this! These docs make all the difference in the world. I hope some day, maybe some kind person will do the same for the RL02. Thanks Again! Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> >There was certainly a PDP11 version. And I remember reading about a I know, the first time I'd seen it was early '78 on a Heath H-11. It convinced me to get the NS* configured version (not cpm based) as it was cheap. In 1978 what UCSD got me... I had NS DOS and their BASIC, no compiler, no asembler. I has CP/M 1.4 with all the 8080 tools and 8k MSbasic, still no HLL UCSD got me a compiled language that was vogue and a real screen based editor that beat the tar out of CP/Ms ED. By 1978 standards 50US dollars was cheap for UCSD and far cheaper than CP/M or even the MSbasic for CP/M. Allison

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I have a KS10 now...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Serial number appears to be 4469. I got it from John Wilson, moved it 1000 miles to home. It looks too heavy to drag up the stairs so chances are really good it'll stay in the (heated) garage. We also got a TU45 and a spare formatter for it. (Question, can I just plug any Pertec Unformatted 1600/800 drive into that and make it work, or only special Pertec devices?) Current status of the machine is unknown - It's never been powered on. We'll be cleaning it up, taking lots of pictures, and checking things out before it gets powered on. But that should be sometime soon. In any case, I'll have pictures posted before the week's out. And now, I'm going to do a jig and generally behave like a child until the high wears off :) More information to come. -------

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Ebay, MicroVAX II LA CA

by ncherry＠home.net

I just saw this up on EBAY, the current bid is $1 and it's in LA CA. I have nothing to do with this: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=514610380 -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)home.net http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only) http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge)

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RX02 drive emulation

by djg＠drs-esg.com

>Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 15:48:30 -0500 >From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> >>From: David Gesswein <djg(a)drs-esg.com> >>I haven't spent too much time looking at the interface but most of the >>smarts are in the drive and serial communication is used to send >>commands to it. I have a bunch of information on the RX01, the RX02 >should >>be similar. > >Do look. the two are very different. > I don't know if anybody is still interested... I scanned the RX02 technical manual and it is now online http://www.pdp8.net/pdp8cgi/query_docs/view.pl?table=pdp8docs&id=139 It looks like they added some stuff such as DMA and AC low status for the 11 but when in the RX28 PDP-8 mode it still uses the same electrical interface as the RX01. The RX02 drive has 3 different modes it can operate in via a switch setting. It appears that the RX8E does not know if it is talking to a RX01 or RX02, only the software running on the PDP-8 knows. From a programming standpoint you have to write to the command register differently in RX02 mode even when single density media is used. I could still be missing something. This is probably the easiest mode to talk to the drive in from bit banging on a PC. David Gesswein

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 30, 22:59, Jerome Fine wrote: > > OK, this brings up two questions. Can it use RX50's (I'm guessing not), > Having never used Pascal very much, Pascal != UCSD p-System, though. > RT-11 does not normally distinguish > between different devices. [...] > In general (almost always), applications NEVER know anything about the > internals of a device driver - which is why a device driver is used in RT-11 > to separate the application program from the hardware and let standard > I/O calls to RT-11 and then to the actual device be transparent. True, but the UCSD p-System isn't a language, it's an operating system, with its own device drivers. It doesn't run under RT-11, just happens to have similar minimum requirements. As far as I know, it doesn't have a driver for RX50/MSCP. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Memory diagnostic for VAX 4000/60

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Does anyone know if there is a better memory diagnostic for the VAX 4000/60 than the 'TEST MEM' that is available in the console program? I've got some 16MB simms and they seem to work (the VAX shows them, boots up after running its temperature bar test) but something that gave me real confidence would be nice. --Chuck

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Archiving Amiga floppies

by jfoust＠threedee.com

I'd like to archive my massive collection of Amiga floppies. I have tubs and tubs of them. I'd like to end up with CD-Rs of them, containing disk images accessible under emulation or that could re-create floppies on demand. I'm so out of touch with what's possible on the Amiga, I don't know which tool would best handle the job. Considerations in mind include reasonable handling of bad sectors or other sorts of semi-readable floppies. I doubt I have much that's actually copy-protected. It would be great to be able to get directory listings of these disk images, so I could create a master list of all the files there. My A2000/040 is still up and running, and I even have an Ethernet card capable of running NFS, so I can save files directly to my PC's drive (running an NFS server.) >From there I can burn CDs. (Historical note: back in 1993, I even created ISO images on an Amiga, saved them to Exabyte, and had them burned to real glass-master pressed CDs.) - John

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 29, 14:30, healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote: > > UCSD p-System was also available for PDP-11's, BBC Micros, Sage II, and > > quite a few other machines. I've got versions for all of those. Doesn't > > UCSD still have a web page about it? > > Out of curiousity, what are the hardware requirements to run it on a PDP-11? Just about anything that will run RT11, as far as I remember. An 11/03 and a pair of RX02s should do fine. I used to run it on an 11/23. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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classiccmp-digest V1 #440

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Zane bashed in on an old teletype: > RULE1: These systems are for *local pickup* only. I quite > simply do not have time to ship stuff. Bugger. > $ Apple III+ > $ Lisa 2/5 > Atari > $ Atari TT030 Dammit, dammit, dammit! Is there anyone local to Zane who a) doesn't want the above and b) has time to ship them to li'l ol' me in the UK on receipt of some $$$? adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum (now WITH a working Lisa 2/5 but hell, I'm greedy :o)

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PDP, TYPESET-8 and linotypes

by kylianw＠hotmail.com

I am looking for documentation on the interface that existed between the PDP TYPESET-8 system and the Linotype electrons/comets (mid-60's - early 70's). Specifically, I need additional information on the output format of the TYPESET-8, both in the physcial sense (paper tape, or serial out- at what line levels), and the format sense- escape codes and such used for formatting. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Ky _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> >I thought it was that the 11/03 was a remicrocoded WD chip? >Anyone know what came first? WD13 chipset was developed with DEC and is a 16bit microcoded structure. DEC even had a 1k writeable microcode store for the LSI-11. So technically the WD13 chipset came first then the LSI-11, Alpha Micro and then WD Pascal Microengine. Allison

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Roger Ivie <rivie(a)teraglobal.com> >That's an extremely interesting remark because of two of >the rumors I heard about the WD P-engine: > >1) It failed because a Z80 could execute P-code faster >2) It was a remicrocoded 11/03 Z80 was a good pcode engine, in 1978 the fast ones were 4mhz and the PDP-11/03 in the guise of an H11 was a bit faster. The WD Pascal microengine was the WD13 chipset as was the LSI-11 and the S100 box (forgot the name). The uEngine was a failure as WD was not a reliable vendor back then and it was buggy. It did run the pcode fastest of the pack then. The PDP-11 and to a lesser extent z80 had the addressing modes and instuction set needed to build a good stack oriented engine. UCSD was not so much a failure as the leading edge. With the avilability of natively compiled languages that were faster or better a P-code compiler was a weakness. The idea of cross platform code portability in the form of a compiled HLL was a big winner that remains. Allison

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tms9914 ieee488 controller

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

FWIW, Western Digital produced it as a second source... Will J _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

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Who wants a decwriter II?

by epgroot＠ucdavis.edu

I came across a decwriter II hardcopy terminal by the dumpster at one of the buildings at UC Davis. It resembles a glorified typewriter mounted in a tall desk. Too big to transport on my bike, so those interested have to pick it up from campus. Don't know how long it will be sitting there. No, Sellam, this is not some sort of entrapment ploy! Regards, Edwin Davis, CA

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Archiving Amiga floppies

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > At 11:16 AM 11/30/00 -0800, you wrote: > >This reminds me - does anyone here have an ethernet card that would work > >in an Amiga 2000? I've got one I'd like to put on the 'net. > > The last time I checked, Amiga ethernet cards were quite expensive still, > though things could've changed in a year since I moved off an Amiga 4000 to > my Power Mac clone. If you have a bridgeboard though and a PC ISA ethernet > card, there used to be a couple of programs on Aminet that would allow you > to access the ISA ethernet card from the Amiga side. It was a bit of a > kludge, but was reported to have worked. I still have new, in-the-box GG2 Bus+ bridge cards w/original warranty. They come with NE2000 drivers (along with other, non-NIC drivers) but there are also SMC/WesternDigital drivers on the web page (http://penguincentral.com/GG2/) I've mentioned it before to no great response, but I like to let people know there's still an alternative out there. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

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DECserver 200

by yoda＠isr.ist.utl.pt

>>>>> "Ethan" == Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> writes: Ethan> I have one, too (and the uVAX2000 w/disk that it used to Ethan> boot from). What I would like to do is fire up DECnet on a Ethan> Linux box and start the DECserver from there. Has anyone Ethan> tried _that_ yet? I have a couple of DECservers here (one 300 and one 200) and I have successfully got them work with solely one linux machine. Here's the recipe: 1. start mopd-linux to make the DECservers load the boot image from the linux box; 2. start latd in the linux box to allow the DECservers login. All these software components for linux can be found at the DECnet for linux page. Note that both mopd and latd do not require DECnet, because they seem to use independent protocols. BTW, I've written a couple of progs from scratch that implement the mop console protocol. I use them to check a couple of DEChubs. I could provide the source code to everyone interested. Cheers, -- *** Rodrigo Martins de Matos Ventura <yoda(a)isr.ist.utl.pt> *** Web page: http://www.isr.ist.utl.pt/~yoda *** Teaching Assistant and PhD Student at ISR: *** Instituto de Sistemas e Robotica, Polo de Lisboa *** Instituto Superior Tecnico, Lisboa, PORTUGAL *** PGP fingerprint = 0119 AD13 9EEE 264A 3F10 31D3 89B3 C6C4 60C6 4585

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Need help identifying the following IC/CHIP

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Hi, As my transputer collection increases, I just received a broken BBK-S4 (Sparc-based SBUS transputer link adapter). As far as I can tell, the only broken piece is the firmware IC. The IC actually was broken in half exposing the actual IC. I think someone was trying to extract it incorrectly and it opened up. The delicate wires are snapped as well. I hope that the firmware is downloaded to the chip each time it is fired up, but I am not sure. The chip is labelled as: TOSHIBA TC57H256D-70 JAPAN 8906YAA VPP 12.5V Does anyone know what type of IC this is and where I can obtain one? I would love to install this on my IPX and connect my T805-30MHz Xplorer to it. Thanks Ram

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UCSD P System (was: Why is it that ...

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > >Does no one remember that IBM peddled UCSD P System for the PC? >An operating system that made PC-DOS look good! The PC version was really bad and sloer thant he z80 version. The only weakness that UCSD really suffered is it was P-system, It was a interpreter running pseudo code than that made it slow (like java). Compared to NS* DOS it was far more complete and advanced. It was plenty adaquate as a teaching platform for Pascal. Allison

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >I think I still have the disks somewhere.... I just don't have > >an Apple-II to use to verify their readability. > > > >It wasn't bad, I rather enjoyed using it (my last semester in > >college, Spring '83). > > > >-dq > > So UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code ran on the Apple //? I'm guessing this > means it'll run on a //e or //gs? If so is there anywhere the software can > be downloaded from? Just might be the excuse I need to get that //gs back > up and running (gulp, I just buried it's SCSI drive). Among other platforms... (wasn't the Terak a UCSD machine?). I think you had to have the Integer Basic (?) card for it to work. I copied the system onto single-sided verbatim floppies that I'd punched to use as "flippies"... the school wasn't hip to copying software, at least not in '83. -dq

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by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > >Out of curiousity, what are the hardware requirements to run it on a PDP-11? > PDP-11 (any), 33kw, FDC RX01, Tube or TTY on a DL line. Of all the version the PDP-11 version on the 11/03 was fastest compared to apple or Z80 ports. Allison

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tms9914 ieee488 controller

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

These are still used all of the time in many places (mostly as in interface to scientific lab equipment). It should not be too difficult to get a compatible replacement, maybe not an identical replacement. check: www.nationalinstruments.com -----Original Message----- From: emanuel stiebler [SMTP:emu@ecubics.com] Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 10:09 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: tms9914 ieee488 controller Hi all, anybody here knows, if there is any replacement for this texas ieee488 controller, and is still in production ? Thanks, emanuel

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UCSD P System (was: Why is it that ...

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 02:55 PM 11/29/00 -0800, you wrote: >Does no one remember that IBM peddled UCSD P System for the PC? >An operating system that made PC-DOS look good! Yeah, but the original release still runs in a DOS window under WinNT. :-) - John

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UCSD P System (was: Why is it that ...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 29, 20:38, Jim Battle wrote: > At 06:07 PM 11/29/00 -0800, you wrote: > >... > >And it really didn't make PC-DOS look good. I've put a screen shot > >of the UCSD P-system file manager prompt at: > >http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/~korpela/gif/filer.gif. > >You may remember what those letters stand for, but I don't. > ... > > For those not wanting to chase the link, it says: > > Filer: G, S, N, L, R, C, T, D, Q [1.1] > > Don't you remember? This was the security mechanism. > You had to play a game of hangman and win before you > could run the compiler. The person above obviously doesn't > know the key to hangman is the vowels. Hmm.... my versions show the menu as something like G(et, S(ave, N(ew, L(dir, R(en, C(hng, T(rans, D(ate, Q(uit but there are more options on an 80-column screen. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> >Allison replies: >> PDP-11 (any), 33kw, FDC RX01, Tube or TTY on a DL line. > ^^^^ >Typo? No more than 28 Kwords, I'd expect? I'm pretty sure I've >seen it running on an an 11/03, which won't readily support more than >that. Or did you mean 33 Kbytes? Nope 32KW, two M8044s plugged in. True only 26/28Kw accessable due to the IOpage. You know of course thats the case in most any non mapped PDP-11. Allison

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:31:09 -0800 (PST) healyzh(a)aracnet.com writes: > > I used PASCAL (for a short time) when I was in school, that ran > > under RSTS/E. I don't know if it was the USCD system, or some > > other thing; I'm almost certain it used pseudo-code, though, > > as the compiler output was *tiny* compared to a similar compiled > > BASIC+ program. > > > > Anybody know of PASCAL compilers that run under RSTS? > > > > Jeff > > I'm guessing it was OMSI PASCAL. In fact I think I've got a manual > for that, but am unfortunatly missing the software. Hmmm, that doesn't seem to ring any bells. We're talking 1980-81 timeframe. The compiler was invoked from the READY prompt by typing "PASCAL FILNAM.PAS", and you'd get the runnable output file; I don't remember if it was in .SAV format or not. Dang it. I wish I could remember more about the system we had at the school at that time . . .. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> >OK, this brings up two questions. Can it use RX50's (I'm guessing not), and RX50 run off the MSCP controller and *may* work, I'm not sure of that. >is it available for download anywhere? I can manage RX02 (assuming the >drives work), but would prefer to use RX50 since they're already in both >PDP-11's I've got at home (RX02 is buried in storage). If your set on using RX50s then the question is... IS UCSD Psystem MSCP device aware? Allison

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Why is it that ...

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> >One of these days I'd really like to play with a UCSD PASCAL system, largely >to get a feel of how well it worked. UCSD P-system was tightly integrated with menues and what amounts the then equivelent of an modern IDE. From the main system menu you go fo into the filer or editor, from the editor you could compile and run a program. If the compiler fails you end up back in the editor (screen oriented) with the cursor at the first error. In 1978 that was a truely advanced development environment. >active with Amiga's around, they'd have a better idea). That tells me that >a 486 or lower won't really be able to cut it when it comes to JAVA. Java will run on any 386 or higher, I've done it though it gets slow. Allison

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:43:24 -0500 "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> writes: > From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > > > >Out of curiousity, what are the hardware requirements to run it on > >a PDP-11? > > > > > PDP-11 (any), 33kw, FDC RX01, Tube or TTY on a DL line. > Of all the version the PDP-11 version on the 11/03 was fastest > compared to apple or Z80 ports. I used PASCAL (for a short time) when I was in school, that ran under RSTS/E. I don't know if it was the USCD system, or some other thing; I'm almost certain it used pseudo-code, though, as the compiler output was *tiny* compared to a similar compiled BASIC+ program. Anybody know of PASCAL compilers that run under RSTS? Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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UCSD P System (was: Why is it that ...

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 02:55 PM 11/29/00 -0800, Grumpy Ol' Fred wrote:ng one of those is not going to be hard. > >Does no one remember that IBM peddled UCSD P System for the PC? >An operating system that made PC-DOS look good! I remember it from when I ran the CAD lab at school. It was sitting in the cabinet unopened. I know it sat there for at least two years. I suppose it was still unopened when they trashed it. Joe

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Wanted: HP Integral PC

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I saw Zane's post, and sadly, am not close enough to go pick up his Integral and give him some cash... but I *am* looking for one, if anybody has one that they'll part with ( and I WILL pay a reasonable price). I've wanted one ever since I read the review in PC Magazine so long ago... Thanks. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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UCSD P System (was: Why is it that ...

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

At 02:55 PM 11/29/00 -0800, you wrote: >Does no one remember that IBM peddled UCSD P System for the PC? >An operating system that made PC-DOS look good! I've got the p-System for the PC. There was also the p-Card for the TI-99/4A which plugged into it's PE Box. When enabled, the p-Card booted >from it's onboard ROM vice from the disk drive or TI-99/4A boot ROM. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Power Computing PowerCurve, 288mhz G3, Mac OS 9 http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 Home Of The TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 29, 10:04, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >I think I still have the disks somewhere.... I just don't have > >an Apple-II to use to verify their readability. > So UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code ran on the Apple //? Well, it ran on a 48K Apple ][+ or Europlus with the Language Card (which, for those who might not know, is a 16KB RAM card that fits Slot 0, and pages in in place of the ROMs). It's anything but fast :-) However, Apple used it for much of their dealer and service centre diagnostics, so it was used for, and capable of, Real Work. I still have mine somewhere. UCSD p-System was also available for PDP-11's, BBC Micros, Sage II, and quite a few other machines. I've got versions for all of those. Doesn't UCSD still have a web page about it? > I'm guessing this > means it'll run on a //e or //gs? Probably. > If so is there anywhere the software can > be downloaded from? Dunno, but the disk structure is different from ProDOS and Apple DOS 3.3, so I'm not sure how you'd deal with that. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I have a bunch of books, discs, etc for the Apple II, and I "may" still > have UCSD Pascal on some 8" Terak floppies. Pascal was the language of > choice for Mac work for a number of years, then C and C+ etc. kind of > dropped on everybody. Messy at first as all the header files were setup as > calls to Pascal programs in the early Mac software developer stuff. IIRC it > was AlSoft that had a program/patch etc. that allowed MIDI support on a Mac > that was all in Pascal. I talked my wife into reworking the headers for use > with C programs, and sent it back to AlSoft and they used it, but I never > heard anything back from them about it. Really POed me at the time. I was told, but have never confirmed, that Apple had the source to UCSD Pascal, and that Larry Teslar used it as the basis for Clascal, the Pascal-variant (no pun intended) compiler used for Lisa and initial Mac cross-development. Then they hired Niklaus Wirth to go from Clascal to Object Pascal. I still think Object Pascal is the *best* implementation of Pascal ever... the linker could determine what methods could be statically bound, keeping them fast, and leaving the rest dynamically bound for polymorphism. Unlike Borland's Pascal(s) [this may have changed by the time of Delphi), you could pass procedures and functions as arguments to procedures and functions. -dq

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Update: Computer Rescue needed in Portland, OR

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

I am sorry. I got so exicted when I saw the IMSAI on the list, I couldn't sit still long enough to go back and read that part. I will try not to do it again :) -Rob -----Original Message----- From: David Williams [SMTP:dlw@trailingedge.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 2:00 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Update: Computer Rescue needed in Portland, OR On 28 Nov 2000, at 22:53, Zane H. Healy wrote: > RULE1: These systems are for *local pickup* only. I quite simply do > not > have time to ship stuff. ARGGGGH!!!!! Damn. :) ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

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Update: Computer Rescue needed in Portland, OR

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

Zane: I'd be interested in your IMSAI 8080, particularly if it had any S100 "extras" in it. But I am in Chicago. Would if be able to convince you ship it somehow ?$? Everyone: I just found this mailing list and "subscribed" yesterday. I am stunned by all of the activity on it. I have been thinking about firing up my old Altair 8800 (early model). I talked my Dad into getting it for me when I was 13 years old and my brother and I learned a lot with it. So does anyone have any tips on firing up this old monster ? It it rather precious to me and I don't want to blow it up. I guess I should just take out all of the cards and check out the power supply first. I have heard that old capacitors can dry up and fail catastrophically -- but I think that this applies to the 1950's capacitors, not the 1970's ones. I still have the original "Altair Basic" on a paper tape with a manual made on a mimeograph-type machine by the "Microsoft Corporation" of Redmond Washington. Anyone out there have some other interesting 8080 software ? Rob Kapteyn kapteynr(a)cboe.com -----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy [SMTP:healyzh@aracnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:54 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Update: Computer Rescue needed in Portland, OR I figured I'd update people on the status of the systems I'm getting rid of. Thanks to a local collector I was able to get everything but the actual junk out of the unit I was trying to get rid of. I even managed to get rid of the junk a little latter, and the unit itself. All this without loosing any classic computers, even common ones. So now the crunch is off, but I'm still looking to find local takers for the following stuff. As I still need to get a bunch of stuff out of the remaining two units (for one thing I'd like to eventually get down to one unit). A note on the items with the '$' by them. As I'd said before I'm looking for some money for or some Sun or DEC stuff that I can use (fairly modern in other words). These are items that I've spent real money on, and/or rather like so if I can't recover what I've spent on them, I'll be keeping them. On some items this means I don't want to much, on others, quite a bit. Zane RULE1: These systems are for *local pickup* only. I quite simply do not have time to ship stuff. RULE1A: If you're going to be paying for something I can mark items as being for a certain person and will hold onto them for a reasonable amount of time until they can pick them up if they're going to be in this area. RULE2: Systems sold as is. Various Laser 128 $ Kaypro II Mattel Aquarius (Unknown) $ Epson PX-8 (think that's the right name) Apple Apple ][ plus Apple ][e (x2) Apple ][e enhanced 3 broken keys Apple ][c (x2) Apple ][gs (x2 1 is a Woz) $ Lisa 2/5 Apple Macintosh's Macintosh 512k, third party upgrade to Plus Macintosh SE Macintosh SE/HDFD Macintosh II Macintosh LC Atari $ Atari TT030 Commodore Bussiness Machines Commodore 64c $ Amiga 2000 (x3 only 1 keyboard, 2 Magni Genlocks, 1084 monitor, misc. other stuff) $ Amiga 3000 (1 fully updated, 1 spare. The updated one includes a Catweasel, Picasso IV, a total of 18MB RAM, and latest rev chips. I will keep this system before I part it out so don't bother asking.) digital $ PDP-11/03 $ PDT-11/150 (Unknown Condition, this is not a Q-Bus or Unibus system) $ DEC Professional 380 (has VAX console board) DECmate III (3 or 4 of them, Need Software, but that's easily available on the net) DEC Rainbow (Unknown) DECstation 5000/133 (no drives, 32MB RAM, works) IBM PC clones Kapro PC IMSAI $ IMSAI 8080 (Rack Mount style, but have top/sides for desktop style, do not have the front for desktop style) Tandy Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer 2 Texas Instruments Silent 700 Data Terminal (two different models, only sure where one is at the moment) -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On 29 Nov 2000, at 13:41, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > I think you had to have the Integer Basic (?) card for it to work. > > Not the Integer BASIC card but the so called "Language Card" or > as others called it, a 16K Ram card. That's the card that gave you > 64k of ram switching space with the ROMs. The IIe has that built > in and runs the Apple version of UCSD Pascal just fine. I wouldn't > see any reason it wouldn't also run on a //gs but I haven't > tried it on mine. That's the one.... I'm sure glad most of the rest of you aren't suffering >from "halfheimer's disease" as badly as I am! -dq

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Classic monochrome phosphors?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

Through the 80's and up into the early (Lasnerian) 90's, it was common to see monochrome video displays with *long* decay-time phosphors. As in hundreds of milliseconds, enough such that if you were a quick typist the cursor block left a very distinct trail going back a good fraction of a line :-) Does anyone know the designation (as in "P3" or "P25") of these long-lived green and yellow phosphors that were commonly used on IBM PC and PC-clone monochrome displays? Even better, anyone know of a source (new or used, preferably NTSC or Monochrome SVGA) for such monitors? Tim.

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Update: Computer Rescue needed in Portland, OR

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I figured I'd update people on the status of the systems I'm getting rid of. Thanks to a local collector I was able to get everything but the actual junk out of the unit I was trying to get rid of. I even managed to get rid of the junk a little latter, and the unit itself. All this without loosing any classic computers, even common ones. So now the crunch is off, but I'm still looking to find local takers for the following stuff. As I still need to get a bunch of stuff out of the remaining two units (for one thing I'd like to eventually get down to one unit). A note on the items with the '$' by them. As I'd said before I'm looking for some money for or some Sun or DEC stuff that I can use (fairly modern in other words). These are items that I've spent real money on, and/or rather like so if I can't recover what I've spent on them, I'll be keeping them. On some items this means I don't want to much, on others, quite a bit. Zane RULE1: These systems are for *local pickup* only. I quite simply do not have time to ship stuff. RULE1A: If you're going to be paying for something I can mark items as being for a certain person and will hold onto them for a reasonable amount of time until they can pick them up if they're going to be in this area. RULE2: Systems sold as is. Various Laser 128 $ Kaypro II Mattel Aquarius (Unknown) $ Epson PX-8 (think that's the right name) Apple Apple ][ plus Apple ][e (x2) Apple ][e enhanced 3 broken keys Apple ][c (x2) Apple ][gs (x2 1 is a Woz) $ Lisa 2/5 Apple Macintosh's Macintosh 512k, third party upgrade to Plus Macintosh SE Macintosh SE/HDFD Macintosh II Macintosh LC Atari $ Atari TT030 Commodore Bussiness Machines Commodore 64c $ Amiga 2000 (x3 only 1 keyboard, 2 Magni Genlocks, 1084 monitor, misc. other stuff) $ Amiga 3000 (1 fully updated, 1 spare. The updated one includes a Catweasel, Picasso IV, a total of 18MB RAM, and latest rev chips. I will keep this system before I part it out so don't bother asking.) digital $ PDP-11/03 $ PDT-11/150 (Unknown Condition, this is not a Q-Bus or Unibus system) $ DEC Professional 380 (has VAX console board) DECmate III (3 or 4 of them, Need Software, but that's easily available on the net) DEC Rainbow (Unknown) DECstation 5000/133 (no drives, 32MB RAM, works) IBM PC clones Kapro PC IMSAI $ IMSAI 8080 (Rack Mount style, but have top/sides for desktop style, do not have the front for desktop style) Tandy Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer 2 Texas Instruments Silent 700 Data Terminal (two different models, only sure where one is at the moment) -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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fwd: Teletype available

by Anthony.Eros＠compaq.com

Please send inquiries to the original poster below... ----------------------- Path: spln!rex!lex!dex!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucber keley!128.169.76.138.MISMATCH!newsfeed.utk.edu!uky.edu!news.cuny.edu!schmooz e.hunter.cuny.edu!ershc From: "Eric Schweitzer (archy)" <ershc(a)schmooze.hunter.cuny.edu> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: itt tty Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 00:21:46 -0500 Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1001127000147.30206A-100000(a)schmooze.hunter.cuny.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: schmooze.hunter.cuny.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: spln alt.folklore.computers:123375 A family friend died, and while cleaning out some woodworking stuff, I noticed an ITT teletype sitting in the garage. I know nothing about its working condition, and didn't have time to look for a model number or the like, but it does have a paper tape reader/punch (with some blank tape and a 1/2 full chad container). His widow thinks it worked when last used, but that was a while ago. It is free for the pickup, if anyone accessable to the north shore of Long Island (Nassau County, New York State, U.S.A.) is interested in it. Otherwise, it will get tossed. Email me for contact info.

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DECserver 200

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote: > You're not the only one with it on your todo list. I've got one I need to > get up and running since as I understand it, it can do Reverse LAT, and act > as a Console Server. I *NEED* a console server! > > For anyone that's wondering (I know Chuck knows) the software is on the just > about any VAX or Alpha VMS ConDist. I have one, too (and the uVAX2000 w/disk that it used to boot from). What I would like to do is fire up DECnet on a Linux box and start the DECserver >from there. Has anyone tried _that_ yet? -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

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Too late for the Sords

by PeksaDO＠Cardiff.ac.uk

A similar tragedy (although on a much smaller scale) last week. Arrive at coffee at 11:15 to be told that an IBM PS/2 P70 (386 plasma luggable) has been placed/thrown on the skip. This is in direct contravention of my standing orders that I should be told before anything is thrown away - but no one listens.... Anyway, deciding that no more damage will come to the item while I finish my coffee, I finish my coffee. Twenty minutes later and I'm standing next to the skip or more correctly I would be standing next to the skip if the skip was there - it's gone. I am overcome with guilt - if only I'd gone immediately, if only I'd broken a few legs earlier to impress upon people that I collect junk^H^H^H^H antiques. However I later discover that the skip had been removed a minute or two before 11:00, so even if I'd gone immediately on being told I would have been too late. I am now resolved to go immediately and at high speed when information is received. The baseball bat is now within easy reach on the bookshelf. Doug.

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DECserver 200

by Scott.Miller＠vandenberg.af.mil

Yup, typically used for dumb terminals, serial printers, and modems. Unfortunately I'm still stuck using these things here at work. I've almost got rid of them all - every time we have a power failure, another one dies. They're not really bad units, but when they've been powered on for a decade or more without interruption, the reliability goes downhill and besides that we're trying to get away from non-IP traffic on the network. I've only seen these things used with OpenVMS, though I suppose at least DEC Unix might have software. If I remember right, these things download their code from the nearest VMS box when they're powered up. Setting REPLY/ENABLE on the VMS system should let you see it start up. I've really never configured one >from scratch, just swapped out good units for bad ones, so I'm really not sure of the whole installation procedure. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Iggy Drougge [mailto:optimus@canit.se] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 4:06 PM To: Classic computing Subject: DECserver 200 At the user group today, I was intrigued by a pretty little DEC box called a "DECserver 200MC" (or MX?). It's got a very anonymous front panel, whereas the back is fitted out with 8 DB25 ports, into which some RS232->MJ11 (or whatever that modular DEC serial port is called) converters are plugged. There is also an AUI port. Is it a terminal server of some kind? -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6. Hackers do it with fewer instructions.

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DaynaFile 2

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, John Foust wrote: > > > At 09:33 PM 11/27/00 -0500, Louis Schulman wrote: > > >Does someone have the software. I have downloaded the two > > >.hqx files, but they are password protected. Doh! Anyone > > >know how to crack password protection on an .hqx file? > > > > Passwords on BinHex files? I've never heard of that. > > BinHex is similar to 'uuencode', just a binary to ASCII > > conversion. How did you attempt to open them? > > John, the 'q' in the extension suggests a 'squeezed' file, and > while I am not aware of a password scheme for squeeze programs, > that does not prove that there were not some. > > Louis, I would take a crack at it with the Carson Wilson program > CFX and see what it does. I was able to use "Stuffit Password Remover" to get into the original un-binhexed file. Unfortunately, it turned out NOT to be DaynaFile 3.1 as labeled, but was actually SuperVideo (Radius?). Luckily I found my original DaynaFile disks. If anyone else has an orphaned DaynaFile-II, let me know, and I'll spin you a copy. -dq

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Vax 4000-60

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> >> The open was added around the time of the compaq merger. the sales and >> other external peripheria started using OpenVMS to counter the idea that >> VMS was a sealed OS, anyone with internals training or a complete knew >> that VMS was as open as could be had without giving the code away. >> The idea had to be sold as really closed OSs were well known then >> (early 90s) as IBM. > >Huh? The Open was added around the 6.0/6.1 timeframe. The Compaq merger >was during the 7.2eft timeframe. I'd thought the namechange was a >combination of emphasising it's openess, but largly a reaction to the fact >they now had VMS running on both VAX and Alpha. > > Zane No! The Alpha was a year after OpenVMS was started in references. I was seeingit internally back in '91, the alpha was a bit later. The OS itself was to change internal and external names much later. The compaq merger was earlier than 7.2 {time flies when your having fun}. Allison

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EBCDIC to ASCII Utility for DOS/Win?

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

Don't let me scare anyone, but this question is actually for _work_. :-) The mainframe guys asked me if I knew of any utilities for translating from EBCDIC to ASCII on a DOS or Windows PC, as they have a user who keeps getting big (12MB) data dumps from another company in EBCDIC, and they're getting tired up uploading it to the mainframe and back down just to get the EBCDIC->ASCII translation done. Any suggestions? Web searching has turned up very little of interest. Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com Home of Fun with Molten Metal, technological oddities, and the original COSMAC Elf computer simulator!

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Vax 4000-60

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> >Far be it from me to argue with a Digit :-), my 5.5-2 disk boots up as ;) I started at DEC when REX and MILLRAT were running V3.1 and got the watch the progression of versions from there through V5.5-4. >VAX/VMS and my 6.0 disk boots up as OPENVMS/VAX. The 5.x ConDist >documentation calls it VMS the savesets are VMSxxx and the 6.x ConDist The open was added around the time of the compaq merger. the sales and other external peripheria started using OpenVMS to counter the idea that VMS was a sealed OS, anyone with internals training or a complete knew that VMS was as open as could be had without giving the code away. The idea had to be sold as really closed OSs were well known then (early 90s) as IBM. >calls it OpenVMS and the savesets are OVMSxxx. However, I don't really know >when DEC started pushing VMS as 'OpenVMS' in relationship to what release >was shipping. True, and 7.2 calls the various DEC$whatits still too. >Frank confirms the 4.7. I'd like to find a 5.6 set though, I looked through >the SPD on the Compaq site and was trying to figure out what it added >relative to 5.5-2. No idea. I have 5.5-4 one one disk still. The usual release rules were Even numbers were feature adds 5.2, 5.4 and the odd ones were bug fixes and small features. By V4 though that was starting to get very munged. Allison

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Vax 4000-60

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

To: classic <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Sunday, November 26, 2000 10:29 PM Subject: Vax 4000-60 >I think a Vaxstation 4000-60 is capable of running VMS but I want to >double check. Can it? > Your not serious? ;) VMS is native OS on VAX, that is a VAX. The correct question should be minimum version for device support? I believe it was either V5.4 or 5.6, some one can confirm. The hobbiest version of 7.2 does. Allison

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DECserver 200

by optimus＠canit.se

At the user group today, I was intrigued by a pretty little DEC box called a "DECserver 200MC" (or MX?). It's got a very anonymous front panel, whereas the back is fitted out with 8 DB25 ports, into which some RS232->MJ11 (or whatever that modular DEC serial port is called) converters are plugged. There is also an AUI port. Is it a terminal server of some kind? -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6. Hackers do it with fewer instructions.

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10base2 / 10baseT (again)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Can you name one other system (not a Mac 128 or Mac512 varient) that has > the same pinout for a DE9 serial port? Because I sure can't think of one. I have two _peripherals_ that do - an ISA AppleTalk card (third party) and an Asante AppleTalk<->Ethernet bridge. I am not aware of any non-Mac-compatible/non-AppleTalk devices that use that particular (semi-)standard. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

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