- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by aek＠spies.com

>While the offer to scan them was certainly noble, I really wouildn't expect >anyone to actually do it. We're talking about perhaps 10,000 pages of >documents here! Assuming they're loose sheets, it can be done in a few days. I scanned 15000 pages of HP 2100 docs last week in less than a week working a few hours per day. Scan cleanup and pdf conversion is the bottleneck right now.

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HP 9000 800/G40 battery?/cable

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Brown [mailto:bbrown@harper.cc.il.us] > The batteries are supposed to keep ram intact for a SHORT duration > power failure...20 seconds might be longer than they would > last..especaially since > they are probably 10 year old batteries. > It's definetly NOT a full ups system. Ok, when I turn the system on afterwards, all lights -- including the battery charging light -- flash. I've assumed that this is just a test. In that case, shouldn't the batteries need recharged, and the battery light stay on for a while after this? It does not. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Mac 512k

by casper＠Mac.com

I got an old mac 512k, and when i try to turn it on, a dead man appears and a number is show. (The number changes every time I turn it on.) Can it be because there is no keyboard?

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Packrat genome project questions

by mhstein＠canada.com

First computer used: IBM 604 & assorted peripherals (If that counts). If not, then a Burroughs B260. First one owned: Original blue-trimmed 8K 2001 PET, w/ built-in tape & chiclet keys; still have it, with case/keyboard/memory upgrade. mike

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Mac 512k

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Casper Warnich [mailto:casper@Mac.com] > I got an old mac 512k, and when i try to turn it on, a dead > man appears > and a number is show. > (The number changes every time I turn it on.) > Can it be because there is no keyboard? Trying to boot from a hard disk? Don't do it -- at least until you bring it up from a floppy. Trying the same floppy over and over? Try a different one. If that doesn't work, clean the heads on the drive, and try again, etc, etc... :) Remember that it takes a relatively old OS to boot a 512k mac. I have images somewhere of 0.97 (I think :) which definitely would do it. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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by alan.pearson＠cramer.com

> How many people on this list still have their 1st computer? > second? third? > every computer you ever used/owned? I've still got mine (ZX81) - fired it up last Sunday in fact :-) It wasn't the first machine I ever used though - a few years before I got the ZX81 one of my cousins lent my dad his MK14 for the weekend, and I spent most of one evening typing in the "lunar lander" program and playing that... that was my first experience of a computer. Since then I've had various machines - Spectrum (original 48K rubber keyboard thing, Spectrum+, Spectrum+ 128K), QL, Dragon 32, Atari ST, Memotech MTX512, Acorn Electron, BBC, BBC Master (4 of them!), C64, Vic-20 - the usual UK "home micro" collection I suppose. I'm slowly accumulating machines that I've used a lot of in the past - last week I got a VAXstation 3100 (the closest I'll come to owning an 11/785!), and I'm on the lookout for the following: CBM 4032, Sun 3/60, Sun 4/110, Sparc IPC, HP9000/725, RS/6000, Apollo DN300. I know where I can get an IPC and the HP, but the other Suns, the IBM and the Commodore so far remain elusive. There are a bunch of others that I've used, but no way would I ever have room for them (eg Burroughs B5800(?), AT&T 3B2, PDP-11/24) :-) As for all the PCs I've used or owned... nuff said. Although at college I remember our hardware lecturer getting all excited about the new thing from IBM in the corner - a "personal computer" that seemed very over-engineered and under-spec'd - 16K memory, odd "clicky" keyboard, long-peristence phosphor mono (green) monitor, no disks (cassette interface only!), ... we all thought it'd never catch on ... how wrong is it possible to be :) -- Al.

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New Buy & VMS help wanted

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> SWEET, an ESDI controller that does MSCP. Very nice. :-) What's even nicer is that he's got fairly big ESDI disks from the sounds of things. The biggest I've found is 300MB, but since I'm not using ESDI any more I don't mind. Zane

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S/36Doc (skating on thin ice)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

For what its worth, I have a full set of S/38 (5381) maintenance manuals, etc... Dumpster dived them one night. Will J _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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New Buy & VMS help wanted

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 31, Pat Finnegan wrote: > > Wow, nice machine! :-) The ST506 MFM interface maxes out at > > 160MB...those are probably ESDI drives. And if they are, I'm > > jealous. :-) > > Could be ESDI... the 'boot monitor' (excuse my lack of knowledge of proper > terms) calls them RA81's (?!?!?). The connectors look like ST-506, which > is why I called them that. I didn't bother looking up that board when I > 'ripped' it apart (very carefully) for cleaning. Thanks to Gordon, I'm > gonna be getting a QT13 pertec controller, which will replace the TK50 > controller most likely. Ahhh, 9 track tapes. :) SWEET, an ESDI controller that does MSCP. Very nice. :-) > Any idea if I could put another QBUS KA650 card in here and make it > dual-cpu? I'm doubtful, but it'd be cool to try I think. Nope. These are uniprocessor machines. I believe there was a hack long ago that allowed the use of two KA630 boards in a system, but it didn't go very far, and I don't think it's possible with the KA650. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Computer Museum of America on Tuesday night's PBS NOVA (fwd)

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Um? You don't have to. MacOS has AVI / DivX playback. So does Linux, and >presumably FreeBSD (avifile, xine, etc.). >Personally, I'd quite like a DivX version of the programme. AVI is a pretty loose term in the Windows world. I have TONS of AVIs I can't play on my Mac because of lack of the correct codec (and they don't exist on the mac at all). But then there are others that play just fine. Same goes with DivX, although at least there, the Mac isn't as left out (it tends to be a little behind the curve of DivX versions, but so far, I have been able to play most DivX movies). Personally, I am up in the air about DivX on the Mac. It makes VERY nice quality videos, in a very small size, but at least in my playing, lacks the ability to scrub thru the video. That means I can fast forward, but only blindly (I can move the playback marker forward, but the video will not update as I do, so it is random hunt and peck). For that reason, I much prefer MPEG, since you get decent quality and decent file size, and can scrub thru a video, so you can stop when you hit something interesting looking. I just don't like Muxed MPEGs, since I can't unMux them on the Mac, which means I can't burn then to VCD on the mac (Sparkle's MPEGSplitter doesn't seem to work on any of the muxed files I have tried, always errors out without even trying) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Video provisions on S-100 frames (was Re: 80 col Apple ][)

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

>Additionally, I've actually never seen a 3rd-party S-100 box that made >any >provision for video signal to an external monitor at all. I've tried to resist, but.... I had an Icom Attache, made by Pertec. It was basically an Altair 8800bt (Turnkey), with an integrated keyboard and video capabilities. It was in a nice case, kinda like a large Apple II case (which it was desinged to compete against). Composite video output used a BNC connector. Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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New Buy & VMS help wanted

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 31, Pat Finnegan wrote: > I just got a VAXstation 3200 today for about $15... Amazingly enough, it > boots up to VMS 5.3-1 (can't log in though.) Can anyone recommend a good > guide for using VMS that's either avalible at a good book store or > (preferred) availble online? > > Specs: 8 line serial card (forgot to look at the model #), TK-50 > controller (didn't grab the drive, but might do that tomorrow..), 8-plane > framebuffer, 2x8M QBus memory cards, 2x760M ST-506 interface hard drives, > DELQA ethernet, KA650-B cpu card, (and that's about all I think...) > > pics at http://purdueriots.com/imgs/vs3200-back-lores.jpg > and http://purdueriots.com/imgs/vs3200-front-lores.jpg Wow, nice machine! :-) The ST506 MFM interface maxes out at 160MB...those are probably ESDI drives. And if they are, I'm jealous. :-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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80 col Apple ][

by mhstein＠canada.com

Got my answer in the meantime (thanks, Frank); forgot about the digest delay, sorry. mike --- > Still no reply to my question about 80 cols on an Apple][ though; surely > there's somebody out there who has an answer?

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Looking for a WD 1001 55 Disk controller

by mhstein＠canada.com

In case it's useful, I have a controller card out of an external dual HD that sounds very similar, but made by Quality Computer Services in Metuchen, NJ. It has an N8X300I and a bunch of WD1100V series chips, all socketed, and a 40 pin interface connector (as well as the three HD connectors of course). mike ------Original Message------- Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:01:43 -0700 From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> Subject: Re: Looking for a WD 1001 55 Disk controller The WD1001 is a board using the WD 1100 chipset supported with an 8x300/305-type microcontroller. Dick

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11/03 v 11/23

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 31, John Allain wrote: > I am thinking of getting a hacked LSI-11 > machine that somebody has. It has the chip > in it and an 18 bit bus (he thinks). Is it > then an '03, because of the smaller bus, or > is there some other criteron? > I tried two related DEC books (Microcomputer > Processors, Micro/PDP Handbook), one book is > 16 bit, the other 22, nothing on 18 so perhaps > my source is wrong? Nono...The 11/23 does 22-bit addressing, except for the very early revs of the KDF11-A board on which only 18 address lines were used. The 11/03 has 16 bit addressing only. When you say "the chip"...what chip are you talking about? If it has a 40-pin DIP with two square chip carriers on it, that's an F11...making it a pdp11/23. If it has a row of "ordinary" 40-pin chips, then it's a pdp11/03. Let us know what you find... -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Video provisions on S-100 frames (was Re: 80 col Apple ][

by mhstein＠canada.com

UNCLE! (And my apologies to the list for reviving a thread that had thankfully petered out; I shoulda known I'd wake up Richard). My only excuse is that I'm on the digest version & not always current. Goshdarn it, Richard, I was sort of agreeing with you that BNCs were not very common; all my monitors from that era also use UHF connectors for the industrial/CCTV ones, and RCA jacks for the computer monitors (but I didn't have the guts to challenge Tony's assertion that there were no computer monitors in the Apple][ era). Although others on the list apparently do have systems that actually have BNC connectors, I must confess that I based my assertion on the fact that both my Vector Graphics and Cromemco chassis have the distinctive 'D' cutouts for BNC connectors on the back panel, so I assumed that cards like the Dazzler either came with a cable to connect to a BNC jack, or it was expected that you made your own. I could install a BNC jack, though, and send you a picture. I think there's a scientific principle that says it's easy to prove that there are three-legged ducks if you have one, but to state categorically that they don't exist anywhere is not so easy to justify. Let's just say that in the computers of that day, if it could be done, somebody probably did it, and let it go at that (after you have the last word, of course :-). Still no reply to my question about 80 cols on an Apple][ though; surely there's somebody out there who has an answer? mike ---------------Original Message-------------- Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:38:26 -0700 From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> Subject: Video provisions on S-100 frames (was Re: 80 col Apple ][) I'd be really interested in knowing specifics about this, if you have them. I've got several S-100 boxes, and not a one has any accomodation for video signal from an internal source. I did, in the rar distant past, own a couple of systems, at least one of which was from Vector Graphics, <snip>

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Packrat genome project questions

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 29, 10:28, Mike Ford wrote: > How many people on this list still have their 1st computer? second? third? > every computer you ever used/owned? The very first computer I used was an Elliott 4100 which belonged to a large local bank. I was at secondary (high) school, and we wrote programs in Algol on coding forms, handed them in, and got printout back a week later. Usually it was an error listing, unfortunately. Well, it taught me the worh of desk testing and dry-running at an early age:-) I never got to see the computer, though. The school did have it's own Teletype (ASR33) and I got to admire that. If you ever come across a copy, the textbook we used was "Computer Programming for Schools: First steps in Algol", by Donald Michie, Andrew Ortony, and R.M.Burstall. The teacher thanked in the preface for class-testing the material was my maths teacher, and I still have my original copy of the book. It cost 10 shillings (50p, or about 70 cents) in 1969. The next machine I came across would have been one of the three PDP-8s at a high school where I worked as a technician about 1980. They had a PDP-8/E, and 8/F (I think), and one other which I can't remember, as well as a similar-sized HP. The 8/F was mounted on a frame with castors and often connected to a VDU; the 8/E was in a rack with two TU56s, and the other, called EDWARD (Electronic Device With Auxiliary Rotating Disks) was in a dual rack with a high speed papertape reader, a pair of RK05s, and some extra core. It also had a VDU and (wonder of wonders) a "fast" Anadex 8000 parallel printer. The 8/E ran one of the multiuser Edusystem OSs, though I can't remember which one; it had three ASR33s attached. I never got any of those machines, though I kept in touch with some of the enthusiasts amoung the staff. Some years ago, I was saddened to discover on a trip to help them with the 11/34 that replaced the -8s, that all the -8 stuff had been junked when it became too hard to look after. However, I now have a PDP-8/E of my own, though not as well endowed as the one at that school. The same school got an Apple ][ while I was there, and one of the early (pre-production) BBC Micros. I now have an Apple ][+ of my own, not from that school, but from one nearby. When I left that school to work as a microcomputer technician at a local college (run by the same Local Education Authority) I bought an Exidy Sorcerer. I sold that eventually, but kept in touch with its new owner for a while. I eventually got a replacement a few years ago. I used to use a converted TV with it, but eventually bought a little 9" mono monitor, which I still have (it's useful because it has a wide sync range and unusually large brightness and gain ranges). The college had several PETs, a few 2001's and several 3000 and 4000 series, some with a MuPET disk sharing "network". It was horribly unreliable, I remember, due to long ribbon cables, flaky connectors, and fairly awful software. I don't have any of those college machines, but I do have a 2001-8K and an 8050 dual drive, and used to have a 3032. My first printer was a Creed 7 teleprinter, with a Heath Robinson arrangement of mains transformers mounted on plywood, and a kludge board to convert current-loop to sort-of-RS232. I remember having great trouble finding 10_1/2" fanfold paper for it, as most paper by then was 11_1/2" wide. Luckily a friend who worked at the computer centre at oneof the banks got me some. The next problem was getting the right baud rate, so I made a little adapter to fit in the Sorcerer, so it generated 50 baud and 300 baud on the serial interface instead of 300 and 1200. The last problem was the character set -- 5-bit teleprinter code, not ASCII. I hand-assembled a driver to deal with that. I found the original tape the other day. Oh, and I remember removing some of the print hammers and modifying them so that by overstriking, I could do a reasonable impression of most of the characters in the uppper-case ASCII set. I inherited some money from a relative a year or two later, and replaced the TV with the monitor, and the Creed with a Centronics 737. I worked out how to make the 8039 MCU in the printer read an external ROM instead of the on-chip code, and turned my 737 into a 739 (the main difference is the ability to print graphics). I still have the printer. At the college, I got more interested in BBC Micros, and got two of my own. I sold the Sorcerer to pay for the first one, a Model A, and saved for a while to buy the parts to upgrade it to a Model B. Then I got another Model B, and much later another, and other models. Some time around 1984/85 I wired two rooms in the house with an Econet network for the Beebs. I don't have those original machines any more (I hope one day I'll catch up with the *** who borrowed Serial No. 629 and never returned it) but I have several of about the same age. In fact I've had (and still have) quite a lot of Acorn stuff, as evntually I went to work for them. I still have my first Archimedes, serial number 0000002. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Nuclear Data 66?

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I have seen these before. We got Nuclear Data stuff from Hanford. It is used as a computer that ran process instrumentation in the Nuclear Power Plant/Research s. Usually they were 11/03s, sometimes upgraded to 11/23s, in a small Qbus cage. Often there are a lot of custom cards for the process instrumentation. What cards are in it, or did you mention and I just miss it. Things to look for are EPROM cards. Does it boot? What is the floppy drive hooked up to? Often there are custom display cards. Sometimes A/D & D/A cards. Did you check to see if it glows in the dark? :-) Any idea where it originally came from? Paxton Astoria, OR

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Packrat genome project questions

by blacklord＠telstra.com

> > How many people on this list still have their 1st computer? > second? third? > > every computer you ever used/owned? Let's see .... my original 8k PET 2001 from 1978 that my parents bought for me, my father's Exidy Sorceror that he bought in 1979, my VIC20 from 1980, my C64 from '82 then every machine I've bought or built since.... currently occupying three rooms & still growing :-) cheers, Lance (Oh yeah, the PET is still used on a nearly daily basis.....) ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

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Computer Museum of America on Tuesday night's PBS NOVA (fwd)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 31, 18:07, Julius Sridhar wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Doc wrote: > > > > Will there be anybody able to tape it and then convert it to an AVI file > > > or mpg > > > for download? > > > > Pretty please, NO avi. I'd hate to have to install Windows. > > I view AVI's on UNIX all the time. Maybe, but which codec? I can only view about the half the ones I come across. Some codecs only exist for Windows. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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so, can you run UNIX on a PDP11/03 or not?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Yep, I have and many did. It was there to provide the migration path for those people that had outgrown PDP-11/70s but also needed the platform to put up new code on. Early VMS would run RSX-11 apps directly and could also support RT-11 and RSTS. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Gunther Schadow <gunther(a)aurora.regenstrief.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:16 PM Subject: so, can you run UNIX on a PDP11/03 or not? >I hear mixed messages about that. Is there someone who knows, >and not only if any, but also which version of UNIX would run? >I want to give it a shot. > >Also, has anybody ever run a VAX11 in PDP mode for real? Sound >pretty wild to me to spend so much money only to not use the >virtual memory. > >cheers, >-Gunther > >-- >Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org >Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care >Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine >tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org > >

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so, can you run UNIX on a PDP11/03 or not?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Actually VMS was ok but VMS as everyone knows is also chock full of utilities and tools... many of which would remain as base PDP11 code (coded as RSX-11 compatable) for a while. I think V2.mumble . Some would be recoded as VAX native and live another version. Allison -----Original Message----- From: William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:16 PM Subject: Re: so, can you run UNIX on a PDP11/03 or not? >> The only use of the vax11's pdp11 compatibility mode that I've ever >> heard of was to run RSX-11 binaries under VMS. > >I think VMS 1.0 used it because it was not really ready to ship (what a >suprise). The RCS VAXgeek said that some old PDP-11 code was >kludged in with a big hammer (and the compatibilty mode) to get the early >VMS to work. The kludges were dropped shortly afterwards. > >William Donzelli >aw288(a)osfn.org

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so, can you run UNIX on a PDP11/03 or not?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Yes, I used to ru RT-11 on a 11/780 so I could have a few of my favorte apps that werent on the VAX. That was a long time ago. Allison -----Original Message----- From: John Allain <allain(a)panix.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:15 PM Subject: Re: so, can you run UNIX on a PDP11/03 or not? >> has anybody ever run a VAX11 in PDP mode for real? > >I did, but not seriously. >On an 11/780 for one, you could say "MCR PDP" IIRC >and do some basic operations. I think it was intended >to help people do porting without having to have the >other machine present. > >John A. > > >

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Nuclear Data 66?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Andreas Freiherr <Andreas.Freiherr(a)Vishay.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Nuclear Data 66? > Strangely enough... it's the VT103! Had optional dual drive TU58 mounted > under monitor (got one, gotta replace the rollers with tygon tubing). I think I also saw one a _couple_ of years ago that had dual floppy drives on top of the VT1xx box. Is it possible that there was something like a VT180? Or was it the "Robin"? - Too long ago. "Dave ... my mind is going ... I can feel it ..." If it had two TU58 then it was a PDP-11 cousin called the PDT11/130. FYI if it is the driver for RT11 is PD as the tape and serial ports are handled very differently than the generic -11 I/O. Same for the PDT11/150 that had two RX01 drives. Allison

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Docs for Sonic IIci/SE30 Ethernet?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> The ethernet card *is* the right-angle adapter. I swear. There's no >logic on the daughtercard. > Crud, I may have to jerk it out & take a picture. > And I never heard of The Diskless Mac, but it sounds cool. Interesting. I haven't seen one of those, I've always seen them as a "IIsi & SE/30" ethernet card, and then a seperate IIsi adaptor card (with or without an FPU). I just pulled out my files of The Diskless Mac. It is by Sonic. I originally found the stuff just sitting on their FTP site (so naturally I downloaded it). I've never used it, but from what I can tell of it works with Sonic ethernet cards, and a BootP server (they even include a mini unix BootP server), and lets you use create a "Boot Image" that gets stored on the ethernet card. So they have a sort of Boot RAM instead of a Boot ROM. Their readme does make a mention of NOT installing the "secure boot extension" without having the TDM 2.0 Boot ROMs installed. So either the roms are flashable, or maybe can be pulled and replaced, or possibly are an optional part entirely (meaning that socket might very well be for the boot rom, and not an FPU). I tried running the TDM admin on this machine (PM 6500 with stock Apple 10b-T card), and it didn't recognize it as a valid machine to admin. It would be interesting to see if it would recognize your card, since you have a sonic card. (maybe once I get my PB 1400 running again, I will try it on my Sonic PCMCIA ethernet card) You can still download the software from their FTP site (I just checked). Go to ftp.sonicsys.com/pub/software/Unsupported/The_Diskless_Mac. They also have the latest version of their Ethernet drivers there (v7.8), so maybe that has a newer version of a diagnostic tool to see if your card is still good. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Docs for Sonic IIci/SE30 Ethernet?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>> I'm not willing to go for the "hosed" option yet. And no, of course >> there's no part number anywhere. It has a right-angle PDS pass-through, >> what looks like an empty FPU socket, and AUI & BNC connectors. > >How many pins is the empty socket? It might be for a boot rom, but if it's >a 40 pin dip, it could have been where the card's cpu went. What kind of >large chips are on the board? The empty "fpu looking" socket might very well have been for an FPU. most of the IIsi PDS right angle adaptors (commonly found with IIsi ethernet cards), had an FPU option, since the IIsi didn't have one natively. The adaptors were all the same, it was just a matter of if the vendor filled the socket. But that would only be the case if this empty socket is on the right angle adaptor, and not on the ethernet card itself. If it is on the enet card, then yeah, it might be a boot rom... but did the early mac's support boot roms? I don't think they did. I base this on the "oh wow" factor of the Netboot that arrived with OS 9/Original OS X Server, and on the old "TDM - The Diskless Mac" setup by Sonic(?). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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VT131 needs keyboard help

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 31, 13:14, Tothwolf wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, David Woyciesjes wrote: > > How about using something like a (photograph) slide scanner type > > setup? I would say just try it. > Well, the problem is that a scanner does not have enough resolution to > scan the reduced microfiche images. The only way to get a good print is to > optically enlarge them (which is part of the printing process), then scan > the enlarged version. I don't think David meant the sort of backlight arrangement you use to scan slides on a normal desktop scanner, I think he meant a proper 35mm slide scanner. Now a 35mm slide is roughly 2-3 times the size of a microfiche page (in both dimensions) but I think it might be worth a try if you could actually get the fiche into it. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Packrat genome project questions

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> Did you ever play Castle Wolfenstein on the 286? ;) I played Castle Smurfenstein on my II+ (as well as Wolfenstein, and Beyond Wolfenstein... but Smurfenstein was by far the best... for no other reason then you get to shoot Smurfs) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Packrat genome project questions

by mtapley＠swri.edu

>How many people on this list still have their 1st computer? second? third? >every computer you ever used/owned? 1st Used: Dec-10, via modem from home (dad brought home terminal) 1st Owned: Hmmm, Dad brought home a TRS-80. He never used it. I did. It's gone. dunno if that counts. First one that *I* owned (after the TI-59, still have) was a Mac 512k. I still have the original lower case, picture tube, and keyboard. The rest, including upper case, motherboard, floppy, power supply, etc. was swapped in upgrades. Still in use for games, on rare occasions. Now it's a Mac Plus, after all the upgrades. Second owned: Rainbow 100A, $25 surplus at Stanford. Still have it. Not in use, except rarely, but several projects planned on it. Third owned: NeXT 040 Cube, $850 from Whitelight systems, it's on my desk at work, I use it all the time. Prices, where given, do not include the (substantial) cost of upgrades, software, etc. Other used, not owned: CDC 7?00 and PDP-11/44 (?) at University of Texas, Balcones Computer Co. CP/M machine same place, NeXT Computer (030) at Stanford (*tried* to get that one, but no go), Many PC's etc. in labs. Big computers (forgot what kind - maybe IBM and Cyber?) at GSFC Owned and sold/gave away: 2 of 4 AT&T Unix PC's in a haul from California. Still have 2. Now my wife can't say I never gave anything away. Misplaced printer for the TI-59 :-(. Packrat genes definitely present.

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HP7475 driver needed

by Bergho04＠bct.hva.nl

Hi there, I have a plotter witch should work with the HP7475 configuration, the only problem is I can't find a driver for it. All help with finding it will be gratefully accepted. Thanks in advance Laurence Berghouwer Internal affairs A.S.V. Archimedes

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Packrat genome project questions

by ceby2＠csc.com

Bryan -- And thusly Jeffrey S. Sharp spake: > > printer. It came with DOS 3.3. Later, it was upgraded with a 286 > motherboard, more memory, a sound card, a 1200 baud modem, and a handheld Did you ever play Castle Wolfenstein on the 286? ;) Cheers, Bryan Does playing on an Atari 800XL count? There's a machine with 286 envy. Colin Eby Senior Consultant CSC Consulting

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A Special Announcement From Dish Network and the Armor Security Corporation

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

Did this joker susbscribe to the list, spam it and then un-sub? On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Jonathan Willis wrote: > [blnk.gif] [blnk.gif] > > Click To Order > > the sender of this email may be stopped at no cost to you by sending a > Reply email with the words "Remove" written in the Subject line. Which in turn will verify that your address is indeed valid and your incoming spam rate will rise by at least 2 orders of magnitude after they sell your address to a few thousand more spammers. g.

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spam/avoidance of

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Also, how does one enforce a no-call list internationally? A lot of the spam I get on Hotmail comes from non-US sources. BTW, I started getting spam on Hotmail _before_ I had sent out any email -- just signed up for it and the spam started coming the next day. And their filtering works for only 80%-90% of the spam, as about 10% gets delivered to my inbox. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Robert Schaefer [mailto:rschaefe@gcfn.org] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:09 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: spam/avoidance of ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Hildebrand" <ghldbrd(a)ccp.com> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 05:07 AM Subject: Re: spam/avoidance of > > I remember when Dalnet blacklisted AOL users for several months. Really > put the dampers on my IRC activities, as one of my better friends was an > AOL subscriber. > > What really is needed is stronger rules on unsolicited e-mails. Maybe > something like a no-send list, like we have here in Missouri for > telemarketers. Ohhh, not such a good idea. A no-call list works with telemarketers because ma bell _knows_ who's making the calls, and the 3733+3 phreaks who have the skill to skip that little annoyance aren't the same as the ones who spam. Spam mostly comes from computers with open relays-- the phone equivalent would be telemarketers calling from phones people left sitting in the windowsill or on the front porch when they're outta town. Spammers would see the no-call list as the Holy Grail of verified email lists. > > Gary Hildebrand Bob

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VT131 needs keyboard help

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> ---------- > From: Tothwolf > > On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Andreas Freiherr wrote: > > > Yesterday evening, I dug out the microfiches, and, indeed, there is a > > "VT100 Technical Manual", part no. EP-VT100-TM-001, dated "Sep 1980". > > If anything out of these two fiches can help you, we'll need to find a > > way of scanning them. Reduction ratio is 42:1. > > It's not possible to scan fiche directly (or so I've been told/shown). You > first have to use a fiche printer (not cheap), then scan the paper copy. I > may end up buying a fiche printer later this year if things work out. I > had planned to buy one by mid this year, but looks like I won't be able > to. > > -Toth > How about using something like a (photograph) slide scanner type setup? I would say just try it. Maybe you would have to do a quick tweak in PhotoShop, but that would probably be easier than printing first. Unless, of course, you (or someone else) want the paper copy too. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Your VIC-20 is worth $300!!! W@W!

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net] > Sent: 29 January 2002 01:06 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Your VIC-20 is worth $300!!! W@W! > > I've got one of these plotters in the original Styrofoam > packing stored > away somewhere. The outer box was gone when I got it, as was its power > supply. Speaking of which, anyone have an extra wall wart (or > brick?) for > one of these that they'd be willing to part with? I'm breaking a 1520 for spares since I've got a MIB one in the museum and this other one has tatty polys and isn't in the best condition. I'll check, but it'll be the 240V version..... probably no use at all :) a

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New line of VAX 6000s!

by mtapley＠swri.edu

>Paraphrasing slightly from Matthew Skala on alt.folklore.computers: CBLTH... Thanks, Pete, that made my whole day! Say, on another thread, has anybody noticed what a great match teergrube software might be for classic hardware? Who was it that was looking for productive employment for a classic-computing CPU farm a while back? - Mark

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Nuclear Data 66?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 31, Andreas Freiherr wrote: > I think I also saw one a _couple_ of years ago that had dual floppy > drives on top of the VT1xx box. Is it possible that there was something > like a VT180? Or was it the "Robin"? - Too long ago. "Dave ... my mind > is going ... I can feel it ..." It was probably a VT180, also known as a Robin. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Computer Museum of America on Tuesday night's PBS NOVA (fwd)

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/31/02 2:30:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, quapla(a)xs4all.nl writes: > Will there be anybody able to tape it and then convert it to an AVI file > or mpg > Now *THAT* would be great! -Linc. In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

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Video provisions on S-100 frames (was Re: 80 col Apple ][)

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

I soon I got my Altair 8800 working in 1975, I bought a Processor Technology VDM-1 card. (Video Display Module) We converted a black and white portable TV to be the monitor. I believe that the VDM-1 provided the prototype for PC character graphics and extended-ascii "special" characters. I noticed that the Commodare 64, which came later, pretty much copied it, with a few additions. >From memory, I think it was only 64 columns wide (by 32 lines ? ) We modified our VDM-1 with a homemade light-pen attachment. (there is an article in Byte? how to do this). -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher [SMTP:edick@idcomm.com] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:38 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Video provisions on S-100 frames (was Re: 80 col Apple ][) I'd be really interested in knowing specifics about this, if you have them. I've got several S-100 boxes, and not a one has any accomodation for video signal from an internal source. I did, in the rar distant past, own a couple of systems, at least one of which was from Vector Graphics, that used an external moitor+keyboard combination resembling a terminal, which it wasn't, but most of the S-100 arrangements I've got, including a combination from SD Systems, which uses a video display/keyboard port board not only has no cable that came with it, but simply provides pads to which a video cable was to be soldered. Though I've got this hardware, I've never tried it out, as I've always been satisfied with a serial terminal. Additionally, I've actually never seen a 3rd-party S-100 box that made any provision for video signal to an external monitor at all. The ones I have are all Integrand boxes, so that's not a good example, being from only one maker, and the CompuPro boxes I've junked had no provision for video connectors either. I'd be interested in knowing about ----- Original Message ----- From: "M H Stein" <mhstein(a)canada.com> To: "'ClassicComputers'" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:57 AM Subject: 80 col Apple ][ > Any ideas from you Apple experts how I tell CP/M software > to use an 80 column card? Display is 40 col from motherboard, > all I get from 80 col card is a blinking cursor. > > No switches or id on 80 col card; it has 3 EPROM sockets, > but only ROM2 & ROM3 are present. No reason why ROM1 should > have been removed, so I'm hoping it was an option. > > Both video outputs and the built-in RF out all use RCA > connectors, BTW :) > > And in reply to the question about SO239 (AKA UHF or 83 Series) > connectors for video, the commercial (as opposed to homebrew) > video out adapter on my PET uses one; other than that, in my > experience the mass-produced systems used either RCA or > proprietary connectors, and S100 & similar multi-card chassis > used BNCs when they had internal video. > > mike > >

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Screwed again! Property dispo stuff...

by root＠diablonet.net

Hi everyone! I managed to make another trip out to the Univesity of Michigan Property Disposition warehouse. Here's what's up. * Continuing the REALLY annoying trend of people taking off with stuff before I can get to it, the ESV-3 was gone, which really sucks. I hope it went to a good home. * I did, however, pick up that Data General dual floppy disk drive. I made a mistake when originally posting to the list, however - the drive is a dual 5.25 inch unit, rather than an 8 inch unit. I'm not at all sure about the functional condition of the unit, and the model number of the drive is 6030. I paid $10 for it, and frankly, it's free to anyone who wants it. The only caveat is that you really have to pick it up from me, or arrange for someone else to do it in your stead. The thing weighs a ton, and I do not really have the time nor the inclination to lug it to a shipping outlet (I'm a student without a car, and I've forked enough money over to the taxi companies this month already). If the interested party is willing to wait a month or so, I can take it home over spring break and ship it out from there. Be forewarned that shipping will probably be somewhat expensive, though. * I also picked up an HP-IB looking cable with a Commodore logo on it. If I remember correctly, these were used to connect peripherals to some old Commodore systems (I don't really follow them). It looks like it is totally unused in original bag. If anyone wants it, let me know. I pretty much grabbed it with the express purpose of offering it to the list, as old micros aren't really my thing. It's free as well for the price of shipping, I guess. Kind regards, Sean -- Sean Caron http://www.diablonet.net scaron(a)engin.umich.edu root(a)diablonet.net

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Your VIC-20 is worth $300!!! W@W!

by bpope＠wordstock.com

Okay, Check out: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=132714756 And then just wonder.. Cheers, <with a stiff drink> BTW - the starting price was $299!

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AN/UYKs

by peteg＠trufitdata.com

my friend steve might know about these - he collects them, are they available ? thanks, pete

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Need an ICE (fwd)

by doug＠nut.net

[please contact the author, not me] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:18:33 -0500 From: Mark.Persich(a)walterkidde.com To: doug(a)blinkenlights.com Subject: Need an ICE Hello. We are looking for a ZAXTEK Model ICD-378 8088 Emulator to buy. Can you help or point me in the right direction? Thank You Mark Perisich

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HP 9000 800/G40 battery?/cable

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Ok guys, The only other person I've been able to contact regarding this HP console cable tells me that there are only 2 pins connected on his cable too, so I'm going to assume the cable -- since it works -- is correct. :) I can still post a "corrected" pin mapping, though. Anyway, on to the next problem. How does the battery backup system work? My understanding is that there's a battery in each PSU, and when you lose power, those batteries will maintain the RAM contents. The machine should then resume in-place when the power comes back. Is this right? Here is why I'm confused: The charging light came on when I first plugged the machine in. It went off a while later. So it seems to think the battery is charged. I tried to test this last night, by plugging the system into a surge bar with a disconnect switch. I booted the system, ran some programs, and cut the power. After about 20 seconds, I applied power again. At this point the machine will boot -- noticing, and warning me that there was a power failure -- and bring the system up in the normal "hey, you didn't unmount this disk properly" fashion. As far as I can tell, none of the processes I'd left running were there. There is a configurable variable in the kernel -- something to do with power failure -- I have tried this twice with the variable set to both 1 and 0. What am I missing? At this point I'd like to find out whether it's likely to be operator error before I go poking around for the batteries. :) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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S/36Doc (skating on thin ice)

by ceby2＠csc.com

Folks -- > I'm working on reviving a 5362 right now. Please reply > off list with whatever persuasion is required to at > least allow me the use of them. I'd be very happy to > scan them all and make them available. While I am all for saving and scanning docs for older computers - I must say that this latest talk about scanning and making public relatively current IBM stuff is scary and dangerous. S/370(ish)s and S/36s are still out there, in suprising numbers. IBM has NOT given any permission for us to make the information public. Please, people, do not make this stuff public until IBM blesses it. They have been turning a blind eye in the classic computing world, but we would not want them to clamp down, would we? Lets wait a few years...anyway, S/36 and S/370 docs are fairly common. Now older IBMs - 650s, 1130s, and the like - are pretty much fair game, and I doubt IBM would really care. S/1s, S/3s, S/7s, S/88s, 8100s, and PC stuff, however, might cause problems. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org I won't speak for other systems, but IBM publishes nothing for the hardware or original software on System/36 or System/38. The only reference they make to it anymore is the emulated environment still available under OS/400. I have a few contacts at IBM, and I've been in contact with their publications people. I haven't broached the subject yet, but I believe IBM like other vendors embraces it's history and will at least tacitly support hobbyists. My own strategy with System/36 will be to create the electronic media, then offer it to them as a _fait acompli_. I'm intending to ask them to host the documents themselves. I don't believe they'll do so on their publication website -- but IBM maintains a substantial forrest of FTP servers it's used for 15 years or more to support it's sales partners and field representatives. That seems a likely place to put them. I'm guessing the real reason why these things aren't available is IBM didn't wish to invest the time in maintaining them. They also wanted to encourage migration. But hobbyist are a new and accomodating market. And I have a certain amount of faith we'll see encouragement from them. First things first though. I actually have to get a hold of the document set. Irregardless of web availability, I'm sure an email in the right (my) direction will yeild results, when there are results to yield :->~ nudge nudge, wink wink, knowwhaddamean?! Colin Eby Senior Consultant CSC Consulting

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Nuclear Data 66?

by vcf＠vintage.org

Has anyone ever heard of Nuclear Data? I found this cool-assed computer today. It's an all-in-one unit (CRT/keyboard/diskdrive/CPU) and is fairly big (say, as big as an IBM Datamaster, bigger than a PET). The coolest part about it is that it seems to be LSI/11 compatible. At least it has a DEC bus (whatever the bus is called that had quad slot connectors). The card cage pulls out from the back and is situated behind the CRT. I couldn't find the processor card because there were too many cables jumbled around. It seems to have a couple firmware cards. I wasn't able to boot it up because I couldn't find the right kind of power cable (it uses one of those oval shaped power cables...I just saw one the other day and now can't remember where I put it). A Google search turns up nothing relevant. I would have snapped a digital photo but my camera is malfunctioning. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Unisys Laptop

by kenmo＠vvm.com

what sound driver works with the soundcard on the board and on the power source for the laptop its made by delta elctronics inc im sure u can find one from that company

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IRIS 4D wire is Not Actually White

by csmith＠amdocs.com

I goofed. The earth wire in the 4D is, indeed, green. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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80 col Apple ][

by fmc＠reanimators.org

M H Stein <mhstein(a)canada.com> wrote: > Any ideas from you Apple experts how I tell CP/M software > to use an 80 column card? Display is 40 col from motherboard, > all I get from 80 col card is a blinking cursor. If you're using a ][ or ][+, put the card in slot 3. There was a convention for what cards went in which slots: #1: printer interface #2: communications (modem/serial) interface #3: display interface Pascal and CP/M would probe the C[123]00H ROM spaces for these slots to determine if there was a capable card in the slot, and if so it would use the card for that function. The neat thing about this was that it meant you could stick either a parallel or serial interface in #1 depending on what kind of printer you had, or you could stick either a serial or 80-column card in #3 -- you would use the serial card if you wanted to use Pascal or CP/M with an external 80-column terminal. > No switches or id on 80 col card; it has 3 EPROM sockets, > but only ROM2 & ROM3 are present. No reason why ROM1 should > have been removed, so I'm hoping it was an option. Could be (IIRC Videx cards supported an optional character set ROM), or it could be the ROM that would appear at C300H with the card in slot 3. If it's the latter, CP/M won't see the card. -Frank McConnell

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getting OT: tar, NeXT, and Mac OS X [was: RE: PKZIP problem]

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> ---------- > From: Jeff Hellige > > > .pkg is probably specific to NeXT, as I haven't heard of it under > Unix. > > As the name might suggest, it is a 'package' containing the > program and all it's associated files, likely to include installation > scripts and anything else needed. That then generally creates an > .app file, which is actually a directory wich includes the files but > is seen by the NeXT as being a single executable file. > ... And now Mac OS X as well ( But Mac OS's >= 9 would see it as a folder only). Then again, Stevie did create NeXT, and now he's got Apple under his thumb... > > -spc (And on every Unix system I've used I've found tar ... ) > > Drop to the CLI on a NeXT and you'll find tar there as well. > -- > You know, I would like to eventually get myself a NeXT system, to see where (parts of) OS X came from. Before, I thought Windoze98 was better than MacOS (not by much, though). Now that I'm using Mac OS X as my workstation, I'm liking it much better. Sorry, I'll try to keep it On Topic. If anyone in the New Haven CT area does have a NeXT system available, let me know. BTW, I'm kinda poor right now... :-/ --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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