- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by cb＠mythtech.net

>It never made it to CNN or MSNBC. MSNBC's web site also altered a story the other day regarding Osama bin Ladin and Iraq. The first release made mention that bin Ladin was calling his people to kill Hussein. Then, when the US held a press briefing on the same topic, and tried to make it sound as if bin Ladin was in cahoots with Hussein, MSNBC suddenly altered their story, removing the reference. No explination to the change. Could have been an error, could have been an oversite, could have been a request by someone... could have been anything. Point is, the story took a change to reflect the US governments desired position on the topic, and they just pretened it had always been that way. Humm... does Winston Smith work for MSNBC? -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Draftmaster II

by pennyfar＠hotmail.com

cctalk(a)classiccmp.org-- I have some experience/documentation on the Draftmaster II, if it would be of any assistance to you. Cheers . . . John <pennyfar(a)hotmail.com> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Click here for more.

23 years, 1 month

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DEC RC25 Drives

by univac2＠earthlink.net

A few weeks ago, I got a rather nice PDP-11/34 (34A, turnkey front panel) >from a scrap yard. They had two identical systems being used in some sort of electronic testing devices. I only got one system because the other one looked like it had been hit by a forklift a couple times. It wasn't in great shape, so I salvaged some cards from it (CPU, memory, DELUA, drive controller, UNIBUS utility stuff...). My system is in very nice shape though. And along with the CPU, I also got two RC25 drives, along with controllers and cables. I've never seen these before. Can anyone tell me anything about them? They look like nice drives, but I've never really heard much about them. Anyway, this will be my third 11/34. Of the other two, I still have (and very much like) one, and one has been passed on to another list member. Anyway, more questions on recent acquisitions to come shortly, I'm sure. -- Owen Robertson

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Intellivision _made_ PCs...

by bpope＠wordstock.com

This is from the Intellivision newsletter: INTELLIVISION LORE FROM THE FILES OF THE BLUE SKY RANGERS: THE INTV PC-XT COMPUTER Most Intellivision buffs are familiar with the three attempts Mattel Electronics made at producing a home computer: the Intellivision Keyboard Component, the Entertainment Computer System (ECS), and the Aquarius Home Computer System. Less well known is INTV Corp.'s foray into the computer business: the INTV-PC/XT. Sold only through a 1986 brochure to those on the Intellivision catalog mailing list, the computer was touted as "From the makers of Intellivision ...a name you know. We've been around awhile. We manufacture Intellivision, which brought a new standard of quality to home computer games in 1979. The INTV-PC/XT does the same for personal computers today." The brochure featured a half-dozen cartoons by Blue Sky Ranger Keith Robinson (TRON Solar Sailer) of average people using the computer to better their lives. The INTV-PC/XT sold for $999.95 plus $25.00 shipping and handling. It had switchable clock speeds: 4.7 MHz (same as the original IBM-PC) and 8 MHz. It came with 640K RAM, IBM PC-DOS, a monochrome monitor, and two 5.25" floppy disk drives. In reality, the computer was simply another of the nearly identical IBM-compatibles that a dozen generic companies were selling in the mid-1980s. INTV didn't manufacture it, they just put their label on it. The brochure - and the use of "XT" in the name of the computer - were a bit misleading. The brochure claimed that "the INTV-PC/XT is a true IBM-PC/XT compatible." Since the IBM-PC/XT (unlike the IBM-PC) came with a built-in hard drive, it could be inferred that the INTV-PC/XT also came with a hard drive. It didn't. In 1986, over 300,000 people were on the Intellivision mailing list. How many bought an INTV-PC/XT? We don't really know. If any of you out there owned one, we'd love to hear from you! Did you own an INTV-PC/XT? Drop us a line! > newsletter(a)intellivisionlives.com

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test Don't read.

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Test.

23 years, 1 month

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SMD disk interface pinout/specs

by jim＠smithy.com

Does anyone have the specs/pinout for the 60-pin and 26-pin SMD disk drive interface?

23 years, 1 month

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Bernoulli 10+10

by red＠bears.org

Hey, guys. I'm having trouble turning up information on the old Bernoulli 10 MB drives---the ones that used 8" media---that isn't mostly rumor and innuendo. Anybody want to take a stab at positively confirming or denying any or all of the following? 1) The Bernoulli 10+10 uses a custom interface. I need the correct controller card for my PC (or better, my Mac). 2) The Bernoulli 10+10 uses a SASI interface. I still need the correct controller card for my PC (or better, my Mac). 3) The Bernoulli 10+10 will work on any classic SCSI controller. I need the correct cable magic. (Describing the correct cable magic earns bonus points) Thanks ok bear

23 years, 1 month

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pdp-11/35 question...

by aek＠spies.com

Any suggestions on building an 11/35... any other DEC boxes use the same power supply? -- The 11/34 is the most similar to an 11/35

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pdp-11/35 question...

by mross666＠hotmail.com

>>Any suggestions on building an 11/35... any other DEC boxes use the same >>power supply? I've a couple of 11/40 KD11-A backplanes, was >>thinking >>vaguely >I thought the 10.5" version of the 11/35 went into a BA11-K box, with > the >PSU across the back. The same box is used for the 10.5" version >of the 11/05, 11/10, 11/34. You would haev to select the right PSU bricks >for the memory your'e using -- you'd need a 20V regulator if you're fitting >core, for example. Tony, That's the bugger! You just gave me the clue: one of my pdp-15s had the power supply for the XVM-15 memory box robbed before I got it; 'they' wanted to keep it for spares for pdp-11s. (It used the same 'black box' regulator bricks). Getting the -15 running was a higher priority that keeping my 11/35 intact, so I 'sacrificed' the power supply from my 11/35 to power the pdp-15 memory. The remains of the old 11/35 chassis must be lurking in a corner, that's why I couldn't find it. This is good news, it means I'll be able to build a 10.5" 11/35 (which is what I want) out of the chassis of the 11/34 I just bought on ePay... :-) I had no idea if the chassis/PSU was even vaguely similar... memory failing! I will of course pay due attention to the regulators required. Thanks to all who replied Mike http://www.corestore.org _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

23 years, 1 month

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hardware available

by anheier＠owt.com

More closets clean out. I have the following available: UDS-IS11 PC/ISA SCSI port card Buslogic BT-946C PCI SCSI port card Video card from SPARC 1+ Hard disk, Seagate ST31230N from SPARC 1+ $5 each + shipping or to the scrap yard next week. Thanks Norm

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RDRAM chips to give

by vhall＠infowest.com

I have two RDRAM chips, 128 mgs? ea out of a Dell Dimension 8200 that need a good home. You can re-imburse costs of mailing.

23 years, 1 month

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AT

by JJJACKWHIT＠aol.com

I have an Olivetti M-18P-2 portable (in a carry-around case) which was built by Olivetti before they became involved with AT&T. It has a hard drive (Western Digital), floppy drive and built in 9" monitor (mono). I have the original disks/software (PC-DOS 3.1) and software disks (Wordstar, Calcstar, Spellstar, etc). Is anyone interested in this machine?

23 years, 1 month

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ibm 9332, alpha micro

by david＠bendixqld.com.au

I am looking for a AM 2000 I collect old alpha micro computers. Do you know where I can find 1? David Gage

23 years, 1 month

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Dumpster Diving Goodies

by cb＠mythtech.net

Its amazing what some people throw out. I just got back from a bit of dumpster diving. I pulled from a sizable bin: 2 - HP LJ III (but only one letter size paper tray) HP LJ 4 HP LJ 5L about 25 Meridian phones, and left probably as many behind. I wasn't able to find the KSU so I didn't bother pulling any more phones out. Some various Digital parts and cables consisting of at least: a dot matrix looking printer, a "Remote Services Console Unit" (whatever that is, looks like maybe a terminal switch box), a A/B switch box, looks like maybe for printers. It has a plastic key taped to the top, that I am guessing goes to the actual DEC CPU, but I wasn't able to find that. A keyboard. A whole bunch of cables. Possibly some manuals, maybe other stuff (at times I was just shoveling things into my van without really looking at it) Assorted power, phone, and printer cables Canon Laser Faxmachine 2 - 14" VGA monitors. Royal timeclock Epson FX-256 printer manual (didn't realize I grabbed it, I left the printer behind). 2 Ribbons for the FX-256 1up and 3up tractor feed address labels (a box of each) 2 Platronics Headset bases (but only one headset) A Karioke machine Maybe more stuff... I haven't sorted thru it all yet, I'll probably start that task Monday. Things I left behind (that I saw): Epson FX-256 printer, 3- SilentWriter Faxmachines, Panasonic Electronic Typewriter, Princeton EGA(?) monitor, PS2 keyboard (label said it had bad keys), AT keyboard (I broke it while extricating it, I didn't realize I was standing on it when I pulled on the corner). 25 or more Meridian phones and cables. I wasn't able to find the Meridian KSU, nor the DEC CPU. But they could be down there somewhere, along with who knows what else. It was getting cold, and my flashlight was getting dim. I don't think I will bother going back, so if anyone else is in my area and wants to dig, the dumpster is outside the Gold's Gym behind Paramas Park Mall in Paramus NJ (Actually outside the Weight Watchers, but most people know the building by the Golds Gym. I think Weight Watchers is the one tossing everything judging by the actual garbage that is in the dumpster, but the phones look like too many for them, so they might be from the Remax realestate also in that building, they would also make more sense on the computer equipment). I will probably stop in to Weight Watchers and Remax Monday at lunch and ask if they are the ones tossing the stuff, and if so, if they still have the KSU and the DEC CPU, and if they are tossing them as well. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Wanted: iUP201 modules

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Joe Yes, you are right. It was just a little brain rot on my part. Dwight >From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > >Dwight, > > Are you sure that you're not thinking of the older UPP-103 EPROM programmer? I know that it uses a 4040 but IIRC I've opened up an iUPP-201 and I THINK it used an 8085. The iUPP-201 looks kind of like a calculator with a keyboard on the right side and a single line LED display above it. On the left side next to the keyboard is large socket for the personality adapter. The personality adapter has the socket for the EPROM or other device to be programmed. The older iUPP-103 looks like a box with a sloping front. It has two EPROM sockets on the right side. The personality is controlled by cards that go inside the box. FWIW I picked up several more iUPP-103s with the massive load of intel stuff that I got just before Christmas. I found some of the cards for them but alas no CPU cards. Need any parts? > > Joe > > > >At 05:24 PM 3/3/03 -0800, Dwight wrote: >>Hi Joe >> When I was back at Intel, I was responsible for the test >>used by the system test on the UPP units. I can tell you a >>little bit about them. >> First, I have no idea what a "upgraded the RAM memory" >>means. These used 4002's. These work on the 4004/4040 >>bus. They are completely incompatable with other types >>of RAM's and they also have input ports on them ( or >>maybe it was output but I think it was inputs ). >>The internal orginization is not compatable with ordinary >>RAM's either( not a simple power of two type addressing ). >> The main controller board has a 4040 uP with some ROM >>( 4001's ). This ROM was addressed as >>bank0. Each of the two slots for the personality cards >>was addressed as Bank0 for slot 0 and Bank1 for slot 1. >>This way, personality code could be accessed on either >>bank to run the particular operation. The code on the >>controller board ran the handshake with the parallel >>port to the Intelec system. >> I wish that I'd saved the schematics I'd had at Intel >>but I was not as smart then. I'd also made a board that >>I'd plugged into a Intelec system in place of the 4040. >>It allowed me to test the hardware and compare ROM code >>to make sure every thing was correct. This is also long >>gone. >> I once even had the ROM code for these. >>Dwight >> >> >>>From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >>> >>>Hi Robert, >>> >>> Do you have any info on the internal hardware for the 201? I have one >>that's dead. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> >>>At 12:01 PM 3/3/03 -0500, you wrote: >>>>Just resurrected my Intel iUP201 Universal Programmer, >>>>and am writing the control software for it (which will be >>>>available for free). >>>> >>>>I'm wondering if anyone out there has any modules for it >>>>that they want to get rid of? I currently have the >>>>2708/2716/2732...27128 module and the 27128/27256 module. >>>>I've also upgraded the RAM memory on the programmer. >>>> >>>>I'm in Ottawa/Ontario/Canada, but will pay shipping worldwide. >>>>These things are pretty light. >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>-RK >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 minicomputers! >>>>Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices +1 613 599 8316. >>>>Realtime Systems Architecture, Consulting and Training at www.parse.com

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Wanted: iUP201 modules

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Joe When I was back at Intel, I was responsible for the test used by the system test on the UPP units. I can tell you a little bit about them. First, I have no idea what a "upgraded the RAM memory" means. These used 4002's. These work on the 4004/4040 bus. They are completely incompatable with other types of RAM's and they also have input ports on them ( or maybe it was output but I think it was inputs ). The internal orginization is not compatable with ordinary RAM's either( not a simple power of two type addressing ). The main controller board has a 4040 uP with some ROM ( 4001's ). This ROM was addressed as bank0. Each of the two slots for the personality cards was addressed as Bank0 for slot 0 and Bank1 for slot 1. This way, personality code could be accessed on either bank to run the particular operation. The code on the controller board ran the handshake with the parallel port to the Intelec system. I wish that I'd saved the schematics I'd had at Intel but I was not as smart then. I'd also made a board that I'd plugged into a Intelec system in place of the 4040. It allowed me to test the hardware and compare ROM code to make sure every thing was correct. This is also long gone. I once even had the ROM code for these. Dwight >From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > >Hi Robert, > > Do you have any info on the internal hardware for the 201? I have one that's dead. > > Joe > > > >At 12:01 PM 3/3/03 -0500, you wrote: >>Just resurrected my Intel iUP201 Universal Programmer, >>and am writing the control software for it (which will be >>available for free). >> >>I'm wondering if anyone out there has any modules for it >>that they want to get rid of? I currently have the >>2708/2716/2732...27128 module and the 27128/27256 module. >>I've also upgraded the RAM memory on the programmer. >> >>I'm in Ottawa/Ontario/Canada, but will pay shipping worldwide. >>These things are pretty light. >> >>Thanks, >>-RK >> >>-- >>Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 minicomputers! >>Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices +1 613 599 8316. >>Realtime Systems Architecture, Consulting and Training at www.parse.com

23 years, 1 month

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SMD disk interface pinout/specs

by aek＠spies.com

.Does anyone have the specs/pinout for the 60-pin and 26-pin SMD disk drive interface? -- I have it scanned, i'll see about getting it pdf'ed and up at www.spies.com/aek/pdf/cdc

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Wanted: iUP201 modules

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Dave Oops, This was after my time there. Thanks for correcting me. Dwight >From: "Dave Mabry" <dmabry(a)mich.com> > >Dwight and all, > >The UPP was the 4040-based eprom programmer. Joe and Robert are talking >about the iUP-201. It's been a long time, but I also upgraded the >memory on mine. I doubled it. I think from Intel it could have either >of two sizes of ram chips populating it. Probably a jumper or such to >change it from the smaller chips to the larger ones. Sorry to be vague >about it, but I seem to only be able to remember bits and pieces of that >life. Just ask Joe! ;-) > > > >Dwight K. Elvey wrote: >> Hi Joe >> When I was back at Intel, I was responsible for the test >> used by the system test on the UPP units. I can tell you a >> little bit about them. >> First, I have no idea what a "upgraded the RAM memory" >> means. These used 4002's. These work on the 4004/4040 >> bus. They are completely incompatable with other types >> of RAM's and they also have input ports on them ( or >> maybe it was output but I think it was inputs ). >> The internal orginization is not compatable with ordinary >> RAM's either( not a simple power of two type addressing ). >> The main controller board has a 4040 uP with some ROM >> ( 4001's ). This ROM was addressed as >> bank0. Each of the two slots for the personality cards >> was addressed as Bank0 for slot 0 and Bank1 for slot 1. >> This way, personality code could be accessed on either >> bank to run the particular operation. The code on the >> controller board ran the handshake with the parallel >> port to the Intelec system. >> I wish that I'd saved the schematics I'd had at Intel >> but I was not as smart then. I'd also made a board that >> I'd plugged into a Intelec system in place of the 4040. >> It allowed me to test the hardware and compare ROM code >> to make sure every thing was correct. This is also long >> gone. >> I once even had the ROM code for these. >> Dwight >> >> >> >>>From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >>> >>>Hi Robert, >>> >>> Do you have any info on the internal hardware for the 201? I have one >> >> that's dead. >> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> >>>At 12:01 PM 3/3/03 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>>>Just resurrected my Intel iUP201 Universal Programmer, >>>>and am writing the control software for it (which will be >>>>available for free). >>>> >>>>I'm wondering if anyone out there has any modules for it >>>>that they want to get rid of? I currently have the >>>>2708/2716/2732...27128 module and the 27128/27256 module. >>>>I've also upgraded the RAM memory on the programmer. >>>> >>>>I'm in Ottawa/Ontario/Canada, but will pay shipping worldwide. >>>>These things are pretty light. >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>-RK >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 minicomputers! >>>>Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices +1 613 599 8316. >>>>Realtime Systems Architecture, Consulting and Training at www.parse.com >>> >> >> . >> > > >-- >Dave Mabry dmabry(a)mich.com >Dossin Museum Underwater Research Team >NACD #2093

23 years, 1 month

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VAX 4000-90A on epay...

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

This came in on another list this afternoon... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3404544601&category=1486 Per the seller, it `is FULL of ram', but I can't tell if it's the 4MB or 16MB SIMMs. No relation to seller, YMMV, IANAL, etc., etc., etc. Bob

23 years, 1 month

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making disk images

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

Use Norton/Symantec's "Ghost." It practically copies anything to disk and back again. Once you've ghosted it to disk, its browsable under Windoze, and, as long as you don't change ANYTHING using any Windoze utilities, you should be able to Ghost it back to a working drive for your lagacy system. Cheers! Ed San Antonio, Tx, USA -----Original Message----- From: Doc Shipley [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 11:56 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: making disk images On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, Robert F. Schaefer wrote: > Anyone know of an easy to make and restore disk images on peasea hardware? > I've got a few on-topic boxes that I want to use for projects, but I also > don't want to blow away the existing software as some of it is interesting > and hard-to-replace. Bonus points if the image is browsable after moving > but it must be able to restore to an identical state from basically the bare > metal. What I'm thinking of is a NetBSD boot disk with enough software in > the ramdisk to dd an image onto and off of an NFS mount, but before I start > in on it I was wondering if anyone else had a solution. Tom's Root/Boot Disk http://www.toms.net/rb Doc

23 years, 1 month

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Looking for a 486 system...

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

I'm surprised it didn't occur to me earlier to ask what I'm about to on the list. ;-) Fellow classic'ers, I have a very specific set of old radio service software packages that require running. Since they were written back when the 386 was still in the "Ooooh, Ahhhh!" phase, and discontinued soon after, they won't run reliably (if at all) on anything newer than a 486. Here's what I'd like to find. A small tower-style 486, mini or mid, with PS/2 type ports for keyboard and mouse built in. Speed-wise, it should be in the DX33 or DX2/66 class. It should have switchable "Turbo/Non-Turbo" mode, either from a front-panel switch or from a keypress combination. Finally, it needs to have at least two PCI slots in addition to the usual ISA or EISA. I also have a need to dual-boot such a box into Windows 95 to do some instrument control applications. As you might imagine, finding a system that straddles this odd middle ground is not easy. It is my understanding that both Compaq and Dell made systems that were very close to, if not exactly, what I'm describing. Pentium systems, even the earliest ones, will NOT work in this application. It's gotta be a 486. ALTERNATIVE: If someone can find me a late-issue National Instruments MicroChannel GPIB card, I can put the PS/2 tower I have here into the application, and it should do just fine. Please let me know if you have something that's at least close, and some idea on price or trade. Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Taki Kogoma, aka Gym Z. Quirk)

23 years, 1 month

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pdp-11/35 question...

by mross666＠hotmail.com

I was sure I had an 11/35 somewhere, but I can't find the damn thing anyplace(1)... I may have to build one (I was sure I had one because I have an 11/35 front panel, which I seemed to recall detaching 'for safe keeping'). Can anyone tell me the number of the power supply used in the 10 1/2" 11/35 rackmount box? Seem to recall it ran along the side, like a pdp-8e, not at the end, like an 11/20? Any suggestions on building an 11/35... any other DEC boxes use the same power supply? I've a couple of 11/40 KD11-A backplanes, was thinking vaguely of mounting one, along with the front panel, in some other DEC box... (since 11/35 meets the definition of 'fastest blinkenlights pdp-11 that can be built in a 10 1/2" rackmount chassis'). Cheers Mike http://www.corestore.org (1) being able to 'loose' an 11/35 could well be the definition of 'having too many computers'!!! _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

23 years, 1 month

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Looking for parts for an HP 9821A desktop calculator

by swperk＠earthlink.net

Hello, I recently acquired an old HP 9821A desktop calculator. It's in good shape cosmetically, but it has apparently had previously donated some of its internal cards to an unknown cause. Specifically, it seems to be missing three of the four CPU cards, and two of the three RAM cards. A quick search of some sources suggests that some or all of the CPU cards are identical to those in the 9810A and possibly the 9830A. I don't know about the RAM cards, though. Obviously, the CPU and RAM cards from a 9820A would be an exact replacement. Any help in getting this classic beast running again will be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Stan

23 years, 1 month

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scrappers

by classiccmp.org＠irrelevant.fsnet.co.uk

Just in case anybody is in Manchester, UK, with a little bit more front than me, and wants to investigate, I noticed while visiting a customer nearby today that a scrap metal dealer in the Vaughn Industrial Estate, Gorton, Manchester (100 yards from Ashburys station) was unloading a wagon with pallet after pallet load of what looked like a 14" monitors and Wyse serial terminals. From a quick look into their warehouse, they had various other interesting pallets stacked up..

23 years, 1 month

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Help with H8 Parts

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Today while at the warehouse I located my H8 and was shocked to find that 4 of the buttons were broken off the entry pad. Can anyone give me a lead on were I can purchase a new or used pad? Also found the Floppy disk system ( 3 FD drives) and the H9 Video Terminal for it.

23 years, 1 month

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Commodore Amiga 2000HD in Michigan

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here's a fellow with an Amiga 2000HD in Michigan. Please contact him directly if interested. Reply-to: fearfactor(a)chartermi.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:23:54 -0500 From: fearfactor <fearfactor(a)chartermi.net> Subject: commadore Amiga i got a complrete commadore amiga 2000HD system. ya guys prob dont want it but i thought i would check. also a commadore (64ithink) 5" floppy drive i can provide pics upon request. -dave -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 1 month

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InfoServer and MOP Server status update

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hey Fred, On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, Fred deBros wrote: > Did u get any further in your search? No.. I am currently trying to finish the new MOP Server project, so thats (a) out of my way, and (b) available to people on the list. Basically, the usual loose ends such as portability and operation testing, and finishing the docs on it. The InfoServer project will complement the above, in that it will give us the ability to also net-boot VMS off any given install host. Basically, the InfoServer client uses MOP to kickstart things, and then uses LAST (aka LAD, aka LASTdisk) to do the rest of the disk I/O. Basically, I'd like to have an InfoServer running here, even if only for fun. I also need it to reverse-engineer the LAST protocol, since nobody seems to have a copy of its specification anymore. So, given the fact that an InfoServer (150, 1000) is just a regular 3100-model machine, I should be able to load the friggin software onto one, right? Anyone? Help! The Question: Given a regular MV3100-model box, and a working CDROM drive on it, HOW does one load the InfoServer stuff onto it, making it an operational InfoServer ? Cheers, Fred

23 years, 1 month

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Calcomp incremental plotter

by djg＠drs-esg.com

>From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> > >--- David Gesswein <djg(a)drs-esg.com> wrote: >> I just got a Calcomp 563 incremental plotter. > >Is that powder blue, kind of an A-Frame design? I had to pass on one >a few years ago because I could _not_ fit it into a full-sized cargo >van - it was 2" too tall at the frame. > Similar >The Calcomp Plotter I saw had a permanently affixed sprocketed mylar loop >that you taped drafting paper down to. Perhaps you could find/make that? > >Maybe we are not talking about the same device. You have pictures? > That idea might work but making the loop will be some work. Haven't had any luck on finding paper yet. Do now. http://www.pdp8.net/563/563.shtml

23 years, 1 month

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Moving a VAX 6000

by jss＠subatomix.com

I just got a VAX 6000. More details on the system itself will come later. Right now, I need to move it the short distance from its warehouse it my garage. I will probably do this tomorrow. I want to run my logistics plan by the list and see if there are any problems. Basically, my idea is to borrow my parents' utility trailer, throw an old mattress (which I have) in it, lay the VAX on its side on top of the mattress, and tie down. 3.5 miles later, we'll slide the VAX off and push it upright. Repeat the process to get the other cabinet. My only concern ATM is laying the VAX on its side. That won't damage the enclosure, will it? -- Jeffrey Sharp

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HP 3000 922LX in Kansas City

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Deskside size cabinet, I haven't looked inside. Mike m m c f a d d e n @ c m h . e d u

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HP 2100A hardware reference docs?

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

I looked around at http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/hp/ and found most of the hardware docs I would want for my 2113E and 2117F, but didn't really see any hardware reference docs for a 2100A CPU. I also didn't find any 2100A hardware docs at http://oscar.taurus.com/~jeff/2100/ Anywhere else I should look for docs online? >I love these boxes, but then, I'm biased. Think most of the docs are up on >Al's website. If there's something you can't find feel free to drop me a >line. > >Jay West _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

23 years, 1 month

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Looking for a 486 system...

by cb＠mythtech.net

> Fellow classic'ers, I have a very specific set of old radio service >software packages that require running. Since they were written back when >the 386 was still in the "Ooooh, Ahhhh!" phase, and discontinued soon >after, they won't run reliably (if at all) on anything newer than a 486. I have some friends that make the same claim. That they have radio/scanner programming software that will NOT work on anything newer than a 386. I'm curious... WHY? What happens at the faster speeds that makes it useless? I've tried asking my friends, but they are clueless on these matters (and actually, all except one had no idea, they were making the claim simply because they were told that was the case... only one claims to have actually tried it). Is it something that is solveable by running some kind of speed killing software (I had an app that did that. I used it to play old DOS games on newer Pentium machines. The graphics ran so fast that the games were unplayable, so I ran this processor stealing software and it slows the machine down by the % you tell it to). > Here's what I'd like to find. A small tower-style 486, mini or mid, with >PS/2 type ports for keyboard and mouse built in. Speed-wise, it should be >in the DX33 or DX2/66 class. It should have switchable "Turbo/Non-Turbo" >mode, either from a front-panel switch or from a keypress combination. >Finally, it needs to have at least two PCI slots in addition to the usual >ISA or EISA. Ugh.... should have asked a few months ago. I just junked scores of 486's. I'm sure one of them probably fit your bill (or at least came close). I have some more coming up to be scrapped, so I'll keep an eye out. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 1 month

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Wang OIS web pages

by jim＠smithy.com

---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Jim Battle <frustum(a)pacbell.net> Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 20:27:27 -0800 >At 06:34 PM 3/2/03 -0500, you wrote: >>I have put up a set of pages on the Wang OIS System.Currently, it can run most of the OS utilities, program development, and >>Wang Word Processing. I have tested it with Red Hat Linux 7.2 and 7.3. >>The pages are located at http://www.cass.net/~jdonoghu > >That is excellent, Jim! > >Is there any chance of talking you to convert your emulator to use >wxWindows ( http://www.wxwindows.org )? It is a cross-platform GUI and >system toolkit. It is quite well done, and would allow running your >emulator on a much larger range of platforms (PC, linux/unix, Mac, OS/2, >...) It is rather well done, has a very active developer community, and >uses the native look & feel of the targeted GUI (it will look like a GTK >app if that is what you link to, or a Motif app, or Win32, or XP, OS X, etc.) > I have considered this, but I've never done any Windows programming, and I'm using UNIX IPC to communicate between processes. The emulator consists of a Master process that represents the master CPU unit, and one or more Slave processes (each their own Z80 emulator) that represent the workstations. You can have up to four active Slave processes attached to the master (it gets slower the more slaves you run.).

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Ebay - Neat PLATO system (AOL before AOL)

by cbajpai＠attbi.com

This is pretty neat.A Plato terminal. I never knew a on-line community existed before Lee Feldstein's Community Memory project.In hindsight it looks like he was trying to copy Plato. A Description: Welcome to PLATO. The PLATO system, started way back in 1960, was developed as a technological solution to delivering individualized instruction, in thousands of subjects from algebra to zoology, to students in schools and universities across the nation. As the system grew and evolved, it became, pretty much by accident, the first major online community, in the current sense of the term. In the early 1970s, people lucky enough to be exposed to the system discovered it offered a radically new way of understanding what computers could be used for: computers weren't just about number-crunching (and delivering individualized instruction), they were about people connecting with people. For many PLATO people who came across PLATO in the 1970s, this was a mind-blowing concept http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3404078052&category= 4193> &item=3404078052&category=4193

23 years, 1 month

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making disk images

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 3/2/2003 11:36:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, jhfinepw4z(a)compsys.to writes: > For drives with any file structure, Ghost V7.0 can make an exact > copy of the drive and restore every block in the exact same location. > With SCSI drives or drives where the controller does the bad block > mapping, this allows the image to be restored on the same size or > larger drive. When the bad blocks are handled by the OS, then > the restore must be done on the identical drive if you did not start > with a Windows/DOS file structure. > > Sincerely yours, > This is probably true for only FATxx,and NTFS partitions though. I don't think HPFS is supported anymore, unfortunately. I know on earlier versions, the image source and target must be the same size. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

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Wang OIS web pages

by jim＠smithy.com

I have put up a set of pages on the Wang OIS System. The OIS is a minicomputer system based on the Zilog Z80 processor. It was made from 1979 until around 1990. I also have an OIS emulator in development. Currently, it can run most of the OS utilities, program development, and Wang Word Processing. I have tested it with Red Hat Linux 7.2 and 7.3. The pages are located at http://www.cass.net/~jdonoghu

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Free Dynalogic

by rborsuk＠colourfull.com

Hi All, I have a free dynalogic KDM-900 to a good home. Just pay shipping and it's yours. It was part of my dynalogic system. This is the only part I have left and I hate tossing. If you want to see it , please go to: http://idisk.mac.com/colourfull_creations/Public/ads/kdm.jpg Thanks Rob

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WD1002s-shd

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Found this a few days ago. I think it's a SASI to ST-412 bridge board. Does anyone have more information on it? It has a 50 pin ribbaon cable header on one end. The other end has a 34 pin card edge connector, nearby are two 20 pn ribbon cable headers and a 4 pin molex power cable connector. Anyone have a manual for it? Joe

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Another variation on the Nigerian Oil SCAM! Remained Blessed in the lord!

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

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HP 2109B on eBay

by avickers＠solutionengineers.com

Shocking, isn't it? I get a HP, and suddenly I'm looking all over eBay for them.... Anyway, see here: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3403922546&category=12… Not sure if "jeffruss" (current high-bidder) is on this list or not. Anyhow, just a heads-up in case any of you were interested. -- Cheers, Ade. Be where it's at, B-Racing! http://b-racing.com

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Classic SF Bay Area places to visit

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I have a business trip out to the Bay Area next week (and then on to Los Angeles). I will probably have a few hours to kill up in the Bay Area. What are your recommentations for places to visit, including places for surplus equipment? Thanks. Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. First Vice President Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

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TRS-80 Question

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

I can't find the message from the person from the Philadelphia area that spoke about running a recycling service with some old equipment to get rid of... You wouldn't have any TRS-80 Equipment would you? This whole Model IV thread has got me interested in getting a working unit again. Contact me off list if you do. I would also be interested in any Atari ST or Amiga Equipment as well.. Regards, Al

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Looking for a 486 system

by n8uhn＠yahoo.com

Very interesting reading, I also have a few 8088 games the will not run on todays machines,mostly due the the hardcoded timeing loops. one would think that by now someone would write a cpu slowdown pgm that does not affect the hardcoded graphics code - like all the current ones do. i have most of the ge numalogic "pc loader" for the pc900 - pc1100 and the pc based programer for ge series 6 model 60 plc's. i also have to use a 486 and lower on the plc and motorola radio programming software. the reason that these programs will not run on a faster then 486 (some only run releably on a 286) is that the cpu speed runs the coded loops too fast. that results in the pgm trying to read/write to the device (radio or plc) faster then the programs i/o instructions can respond. i have had no trouble useing high speed serial ports with the newer uart's. the slowdown programs "time wasting cpu loop" does slow down the program run, but the loop chops up the i/o also and the devices always want 100% of the i/o ports attenation - which results in the i/o loop being droped and/or the program hanging or looping. the problem could be a good one though, at least we do have a use for the 8088's to 486's ;) Bill Message: 30 From: "TeoZ" <teoz(a)neo.rr.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Looking for a 486 system... Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:00:32 -0500 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Those packages have the same problems as older dos games. http://www.oldskool.org/pc/help/oldonnew/ "The second advantage is a natural resistance to obscure programming techniques, like self-modifying code. The 80386 doesn't have an internal cache like the 486 and higher, so most self-modifying code works as good as it did on the original 8088." I found alot of install routines written when the 386 was around would cause errors on faster machines because they hard coded timer loops for user input. Since the PLC software uses the comm ports and they are most likely buffered newer computers feed the data too fast for the serial port. One thing to try on faster machines is to disable internal and external cache in the system bios, then hit the turbo button to slow the processor down to 8mhz (if possible) If you really need a 386 motherboards with chip and memory can be found on ebay really cheap, but are not too common. Buying an old 386 from ebay isn't worth it because of the shipping costs of the heavy boat anchors, but motherboards are cheap. Getting a case from a local thrift store to run it in wouldn't be too expensive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Rice" <jrice54(a)charter.net> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 6:42 AM Subject: Re: Looking for a 486 system... > When I was working in process controls, we had PLC programming software > from two different companies that would only run on certain processors. > The original SLC-500 series software from Allen-Bradley would not run on > a 486, but would scream on a 286 or 386. As soon as you tried to run it > on a 486 or higher, instant crash, taking DOS totally down to the point > only pushing the reset would reboot it. The PLC-2 series from ICOM > would run on 8088-Pentiums, but faster than a 286 and the comm port > control routines refused to communicate with the system making it > totally useless. There was a MMI package we used, the names elludes me > (it's early) that wouldn't run if installed on a hard drive over 240mb. > It had a space checking routine that couldn't handle hard drives over > 240mb, or a processor over a 486DX25. It would crash if either the > drive was too large or if the system was too fast. All of this software > was still current in 1994-98. > > As far as finding an older system, except for the 386 that is kind of a > museum piece, we scrapped eveything below 1ghz a couple of months ago.

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DEC GIGAswitch on epay (Irvine, CA)...

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

Saw this on another list I'm subbed to... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3403896676&category=3706 >Operational DEC GIGAswitch/FDDI Loaded with line cards and operational >Several MIC Fddi Cables Also > >DEC GIGAswitch/ATM > with a buy-it-now of $0.01(US). The catch: >You have to Arrange Shipping....... and pay for it... >

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PLATO terminal on eBay

by grg2＠attbi.com

Er, Um, well, it's at least partially true that it's a PLATO terminal. It looks like a CDC 7xx "Viking" terminal. IIRC it was your basic serial RS-232 ASCII terminal, with some escape codes that could put it into "PLATO" mode, which had its own proprietary character and graphics command codes. At least some of these had what many think is the worst keyboard ever designed, with very heavy springs plus lots of friction on every key and no click orfeedback whether you'd pressed the key far enough to register. Felt like you were pressing onto cookie dough. Not much you can do with the PLATO aspects of the terminal, unless you get a CDC Cyber simulator going, plus a PLATO binary, plus a multiplexer emulator... Regards, George

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Dumpster Diving Goodies

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Says `Anti-static' on it? Yup -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 1 month

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TRS-80 Question

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> From: Kevin Monceaux <OwnedByDogs(a)grandecom.net> > > The thread has inspired me to pull my Model IV out > of the closet and fire it up. Still works great. > Some of the keys on the keyboard are a bit > stubborn. Anyone have any tips for negotiating > with the Model IV keyboard. I've never tried > taking it apart. > > Kevin It's an epidemic!!! *Grin!* I can't say for sure this will work, but what I used to do on Model I keyboards is to pop the tops off the keyboard, blast them with a little compressed air, and then a little bit of TV Tuner Cleaner. IF, the Model IV keyboard is one you can do that with. If this keyboard has sealed keys, and you can't see the contacts, you might just have dust and crud under the keys. Again, popping the keys and hitting them with a little bit of alcohol should help that. Check whatever cleaning solution you use to make sure it doesn't eat plastic. Good luck, and enjoy!!!! Regards, Al

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Dumpster Diving Goodies

by cb＠mythtech.net

> The key taped on top lets the VAX be switched from the VT to the >modem, thus allowing DEC access to the computer. What color is the key? Kind of grey. It looks like a tube lock type key, but there is nothing in the center. So the whole key seems to just be the one little pin sticking out from it. Obviously not meant for security, but more to prevent accidental turning of the "lock". And it came untaped from the top in transport, so now the key is loose in a box with all the cables. I didn't notice anything I grabbed that looked like it could use the key. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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resurrecting a PDP-11/10

by iamvirtual＠hotmail.com

Thanks for the assistance to date! Actually, I have a second M7800 card installed on the PDP-11/10 machine. I was having so much difficulty with getting a 20mA terminal (LA36-DP - OEM of an LA36) to work, I just about disabled the console SLC and reconfigured the the M7800 to work as the console! I also have M780 spares if I need them. (If anyone knows anything about the dip switches on the DataSouth Printer board in the LA-36DP P/n 5120000-1, I would be most grateful!) As far as memory, there are two 16kw core systems installed on this machine. I also have lots of paper tapes (mostly diagnostics, but also Fortran compiler), and 9-track tapes. I am needing to know what I am looking for to get RT-11 running. What did DEC call their install tapes? eg. Is the "RT-11 V03B BIN MT9 1/2" tape the boot/install tape? Is RT-11 the easiest O/S to get installed? I want to get to a point where I can verify the hardware is all running. As far as media devices, I have 3 x RK05, 1 x TS03, 2 x RX01, 1 x TU58. I am trying to decide what will be moved to the PDP-11/10 from the 11/20. The goal is to have the PDP-11/20 up and running. Getting the PDP-11/10 is just a step along the way. Where is this VTServer people had mentioned? I don't recall this item. Thanks. --barryM >From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> >Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: resurrecting a PDP-11/10 >Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:14:12 -0800 (PST) > >--- pavl <pzachary(a)sasquatch.com> wrote: > > I would strongly recommend using TU58.exe on a host pc to emulate a > > serial tape drive on your second serial port (you DO have a second slu?) > >On a machine that old? Unlikely. Machines of the era before the DZ-11, >and especially machines that were not destined for timesharing, tended >to have few serial ports, - a console and probably nothing else. It was >a boon that a low-end Qbus machine commonly came with a DLV11J with a >port for the console, a port for a TU58 and two more ports for DECwriters >or machine-to-machine communication or whatever. > >It's easy enough to _add_ a second SLU card, (DL-11something), _if_ >you have one lying around (which I expect he doesn't). > > > to boot RT11 off virtual tape so you can poke around and build a system > > from there. > >As a place to put RT-11, a virtual TU58 isn't a bad idea. Hopefully >wharever emulator you have can emulate both units - the TU58 is kinda >small, even compared with 8" floppies. > > > VTserver is really amazingly great, but you may not have enough ram and > > booting RT or XXDP from a slu will give you better diagnostics to assess > > your RK05,etc > >How much RAM does VTserver require? Older versions of RT-11 (those >contemporary with the 11/10) are usable at aroun 8KW, IIRC. Of course >the full 28KW is nice, especially if you want to run large apps like >ADVENT, but the CUSPS should all run with minimal RAM. > >-ethan _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

23 years, 1 month

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RX02 faceplate

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

Someone recently asked about an RX02 faceplate... if that person is still looking, please contact me... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: mbg at world.std.com | | | | | "this space | (s/ at /@/) | | unavoidably left blank" | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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