Hi,
I would like to read/write apple II disks directly
>from my PC. Searching the web I read about the
following hardware cards for PC:
-Option Boards (made by CentralPoint);
-Apple Turnover card;
-Trackstar card;
Anyone knows where can I find one of those cards ??
Any other "DIY" solution would be apreciated too...
Thanks in advance,
Silvio
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Look, I hate Big Oil as much as the next guy (probably more so), but
there's no reason to turn down good money.
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Yes there is. There are archivists who work FOR the collecting community
(not just me) that can't find legacy tape drives to read historically
significant tapes. Every drive that goes into "data recovery" black holes
will never see one second of use to help us.
You've struck a raw nerve with this.. I've spent years rediscovering data
recovery techniques that have been known for twenty years because no one
in the business will talk about it.
Take a look on the web for things related to data recovery, file and sector
formats, etc. and you won't find squat except for the stuff individuals have
reverse engineered.
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Hello Witchy, I sold these things for Dick Eichorn....in Washington DC against burroughs/redacdon......did quite well with sales as a matter of fact......but that was yesterday> no it isn't a home computer by any stretch of the word.....it is a very powerful, 2nd generation 8000 CPT..what is
the serial Number???should be on the inspection plate on the back or near that area...when the unit came on the Market..CPT was in the early stages of financial difficulties....that did not keep those in DC from selling the box.....If you plug the 8000 key board into the 8520 you will either get the 8520 to work or not.....it just happens that way....when we rec'vd the 8520's the tech had to try to build a complete unit from what ever parts they had in house....oh the units came in complete, they just were rushed thru production. and the end result were always marginal....the original power up.....always asked for the floppy......in my files somewhere, Knoxville, tn....where I now reside/retired ....I'll try to connect/email with one other person that is still in the DC area.....we will see what activity this produces.....what prompted my search on this is a statement from a financial organization about 120 shares of stock/in stock ownership plans that split @ 60 back when I was selling the boxes....go figure......it has been a long time but the america social security system must actually keep records of that sort of thing....I left CPT Corp for Hol Inns, spent 13 years with them....Moved into the hospitality Industry...Room safes,,,,like the EL Safe ASSa Abloy...web site www.elsafe.com or www.assaabloy.com
I now do contract work for www.perma-vault.com of Warminster, PA. I,m still in the hospitality industry....work is now concentrated on the distributors....they buy more.........I"ll keep a watch for your response....it should be interesting.....Happy Holidays....
Gordon Dudley,
bellsouth@.net
On Dec 21, 15:46, Patrick Finnegan wrote:
> On Sunday 21 December 2003 15:03, Fred Cisin wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, [iso-8859-1] Silvio Finotti wrote:
> > > Thank you all for the replys....
> > > Just discovered a software that claims to read Apple
> > > II disks (and other formats too) using a normal PC
> > Reads Apple ][ disks without no extra hardware?
> > Does it also turn water into wine?
> I too am skeptical, but it has some more information here:
>
> http://www.oldskool.org/disk2fdi/trial.html
>
> along with some more documentation in the ZIP file you can download.
> I'd have to see it to believe it, but who knows...
> One thing to note is that he says it requires a *2nd* floppy drive
for
> non-PC compatible formats. So, I'm guessing he screws with the
floppy
> select lines somehow to "mix" the data streams from two drives and
try
> to get the PC controller to parse it. Still, I'm skeptable that it's
> possible to work well, and I'm fairly certain it can't be reliable.
Having now read the docs, I'm partway to believing it. For those
who've not downloaded the trial copy and read the docs, the trick is to
have the disk to be read in one drive, and a standard disk in another.
Start both drives, start reading the standard disk, but using the
"Read Track" (diagnostic) command, watch for the DMA to start working
(which means it's read a header and has started to transfer the data
stream), and then switch drives and double the data rate setting. The
idea is that by doing this, the FDC sees a valid header and starts
transferring bits, then by doubling the data rate you get the raw data
+ clocks off the other disk.
Then it's a matter of decoding what you have in your buffer; finding
the sync patterns, working out the density and sector sizes, numbers
and so on. I know that can be done, because I've a program (written
about ten years ago) that does it. It uses a 1770 to read raw data
(only from FM/MFM disks though) and then decodes it; it's designed to
copy protected disks and I've never once known it fail, though it
sometimes takes a while to work out exactly what it has in the buffer
and how to write it back. Of course the patterns on Apple and
Commodore disk aren't the same, but in principle it should be doable.
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Thank you all for the replys....
Just discovered a software that claims to read Apple
II disks (and other formats too) using a normal PC
without no extra hardware (except for with 2 disk
drives, 1 must be 5,25)!!! . Have not tested it yet,
since I didn't found my old drives....
There's the link.... it's really interestint !!!
http://www.oldskool.org/disk2fdi/index_html
To Grumpy Ol' Fred:
-------------------
> -Apple Turnover card;
Out of business, never worked very well. SOMEWHERE, I
have several crates of DEAD ones.
Don't you want to sell 2 or 3 pieces of those deads
cards ???
> Quadlink were entire Apple][ clones on a
PC ISA card. Do they have software for file transfer?
(NOTE: on a sample size of ~50, we had >75% DOA rate
on the Quadlink.'We received several that had
connectors misinstalled, that could not have
ever been tested. We had a comparable DOA rate on the
replacement units, indicating that they never did ANY
QA.)
I'm interested in the Quadlink card too, if you still
have any of them....
Cheers,
Silvio Finotti
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Hi All,
I finally got to the RM03 I collected over a year ago from Italy.
I did some cleaning of the main unit, and I have a spare absolute
airfilter which I want to replace with the old one, which brings
me to the first question..., how do I replace it?
Apparently, the whole drive and actuator allembly can be lifted,
but I can't find a lever or bolt to release in order to lift it.
Q2 : is the drive a 'real' SMD drive, or a modified one? there are
2 flatcables running from the back, one wide, and one small.
The reason I'm asking this is that I have heard that CDC made the drives
and they did make those (model 99xx?) as SMD one's as well.
Last question : in the drive is a pack, but I don't have an empty
cover with a handle to place over it in order to remove it.
I do hawever have 4 packs which are having their covers, and was
thinking of using one of those. problem is, how to release it from the
handle?
Any info is appriciated :)
Ed
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Tony was asking about tech info on the ACB4000 so I did some digging
around and found the data sheet I had for the AIC-100 which should be
the main control IC on the 4000.
www.bitsavers.org/pdf/adaptec/AIC-100_dataSheet.pdf
Joe,
I came across a message you posted in the Classic
Computer forum regarding helping someone out with a
NEC Multispeed 286. I actually have the original
Multispeed HD, and have looked high and low for the
setup programs. Do you still have that SW around?
Thanks,
Rob
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here is the specific quote:
www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/disc/RM05_Handbook.pdf
pages 2-43 and 2-44
" CDC does not recommend head or media cleaning on the 9766. <- same heads as RM03/9762
The tolerances involved are much more critital than the
RP06 or similar drives.
Due to the 'Burnished media' technology used on these packs,
the normal pack cleaning procedures tend to leave a residue
on the platter surfaces. The media requires a special power
wash cycle to insure that all the residue is removed. Again,
only a keen eye trained to recognize a media defect can spot
a problem inspecting a pack. CDC recommends a program of
media inspection at certain intervals but will not recommend
any cleaning. Therefore a clean environment and proper
storage of media to prevent pack contamination is strongly
suggested.
"
I've been wrestling with my PC for the past few weeks, but it is finally
stable enough that I have had time to post the Processor Technology
PTDOS 1.5 User's guide on my web site.
PTDOS was contemporaneous with CP/M, but it was a lot more sophisticated
in some ways. But don't believe me, just read it for yourself.
http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/soldocu.html
(the PTDOS manual is near the end, broken up into the core OS chapters
in one PDF, and another PDF containing a chapter for each of the various
bundled applications).
Just putted a Televideo 910 terminal out of the bus and now need a cable to
hook it up to my altair 8800b. Anyone have an extra cable they want to sell
or know where I can order one? Thanks
I looked a while ago at the HP 21MX E series on ebay. Just now happened to
come across it again at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2772816038&category=1247
The unit says 21MX-E on the front, and also clearly says "E series
computer". However, the tag on the back says 2112A, which was an M series
machine. Odd. But further still... the keyswitch has positions operate,
standby, R, and lock. This was indicative of M series machines I thought.
True enough, M series were often upgraded to E series via a motherboard
upgrade. But the rotary key switch is obviously still connected. And from
what I've seen, M series upgraded to E they generally didn't take the time
to upgrade the front panel silkscreen.
I'm betting it's an M series. Or maybe an M that was very completely
upgraded to an E. Anyone have thoughts on this?
Regards,
Jay West
seen on comp.sys.dec.micro
>From: "Tarik Isani" <xhomer(a)ReplaceWithMyLastName.org>
>Subject: Announcing a DEC Pro 350 emulator
>Date: 15 Dec 2003 05:47:02 GMT
>
>I would like to announce the first public release of
>Xhomer, a DEC Pro 350 machine emulator, based on the
>PDP-11 core from (a somewhat old version of) SIMH.
>
>The emulator was written for Linux/XFree86 systems,
>but should work with other Unix/X11 systems as well.
>
>Xhomer is able to boot stock installations of
>P/OS 3.2 and Venix (other operating systems may also
>work, but have not been tested yet).
>
>The hard disk, floppy drives, display (standard video
>and extended bitmap option), floating point processor,
>real-time clock, keyboard, and printer and communications
>ports are all emulated.
>
>Source and binary downloads, as well as documentation,
>may be obtained from:
>
>http://xhomer.isani.org/
>
>Feedback is welcome.
>
>Tarik Isani
though someone here might find it interessting
Regards Jacob Dahl Pind
Here is a rough list of the cards I have:
Olicom
770000260 PCI 1
770000331 PCI 2
770000591 ISA 1
770000690 PCI 14
770000811 ISA 4
770000861 PCI 19
770001120 PCI 3
OC-3137 PCI 7
OC-3118 ISA 3
3Com 3C339 PCI 16
IBM Auto LANStreamer PCI 4
??? 2000T ISA 2
Again, let me know if there's any (additional) interest.
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Jan_Wood(a)veritasdgc.com wrote:
> Joe,
>
> I just found a message you wrote back in September mentioning a selection
> of old track tape drives. I run a computer department on the services
> side
> of the Oil industry and we specialise in maintaining and transcribing
> data
> from these older types of media. We have almost everything used in our
> industry from analogue tapes onwards. Anyway, I am always trying to find
> 21, 7 and 9 track tape drives, especially old IDT's. Would you still have
> the drives you mentioned in your email? If so I'd like to know if
> you'd be
> prepared to let them go to a good home where they can spin tapes again?
>
> Best regards,
> Jan.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Mr Jan T. Wood
> Data Services Manager
> Veritas DGC Limited.
> Telephone DD: +44 (0)1293 443263
> Facsimile: +44 (0)1293 443200
> Mobile: 0 77 11 66 4545
>
>
>
>
>
From veritas about web page:
VERITAS Software Corporation (NASDAQ: VRTS) is headquartered in Mountain
View, Calif.,
and employs more than 6,300 people in 36 countries. With annualized
revenues over $1.5 billion
in 2002, VERITAS Software ranks among the top 10 software companies in
the world.
Through its award-winning and market-leading products focused on
business efficiency
and continuity, VERITAS Software provides the building blocks for
utility computing.
This is a big operation, Any transactions with this company should be on
a BUSINESS basis.
That then begs the question, Is it ethical ( for a CC'er ) to sell or
give classic equipment to
a large corporation for the profit of this operation? Most likely the
equipment will
be locked up in some machine room available at $1000/hr? It's also an
oil operation.
I'll leave the members of CC to judge. Their product is mapping data
sets for oil exploration.
One more question? Has Veritas done anything to help the CC cause?
My bad to cc/on-topic ( posted to the wrong group)
Jim Davis.
>From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
>
>Jim,
>You know, you might want to make sure you've got the right company first here
>is the website for "Veritas DGC Limited" http://www.veritasdgc.com/ They most
>definitly are not Veritas Software Corporation. As for the the question of is
>it ethical to sell or give to a large corporation, I don't see giving, but I
>can sure see selling. Selling to industries that have need of some of the
>equipment that Hobbyists have saved can be a good way of offsetting the storage
>costs of ones collection.
Lease it to them. That way both parties get something.
Dwight
>
>What's more ethical, hoarding equipment that someone desperately needs, and
never doing anything useful with it, or selling it to someone that needs it?
>
> Zane
>
>
>>>Mr Jan T. Wood
>>>Data Services Manager
>>>Veritas DGC Limited.
>>>Telephone DD: +44 (0)1293 443263
>>>Facsimile: +44 (0)1293 443200
>>>Mobile: 0 77 11 66 4545
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>From veritas about web page:
>>
>>VERITAS Software Corporation (NASDAQ: VRTS) is headquartered in Mountain View,
Calif.,
>>and employs more than 6,300 people in 36 countries. With annualized revenues
over $1.5 billion
>>in 2002, VERITAS Software ranks among the top 10 software companies in the
world.
>>Through its award-winning and market-leading products focused on business
efficiency
>>and continuity, VERITAS Software provides the building blocks for utility
computing.
>>
>>This is a big operation, Any transactions with this company should be on a
BUSINESS basis.
>>That then begs the question, Is it ethical ( for a CC'er ) to sell or give
classic equipment to
>>a large corporation for the profit of this operation? Most likely the
equipment will
>>be locked up in some machine room available at $1000/hr? It's also an oil
operation.
>>I'll leave the members of CC to judge. Their product is mapping data sets for
oil exploration.
>>One more question? Has Veritas done anything to help the CC cause?
>>My bad to cc/on-topic ( posted to the wrong group)
>>Jim Davis.
>
>--
>--
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>| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
>| | Classic Computer Collector |
>+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
>| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
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>| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
>
In my continuing effort to clear out no-longer-used items I
offer these freebies (UpayShip), all are original DEC disks:
- Field Service Tests for mPDP11 on 5 RX50 diskettes
- Diags for mPDP11 on 6 RX50
- a Duplicate set of above mPDP11 Diags (originals,not copies)
- Micro-11 Maint Diags for PDP11, 10 disks
- 2 boxes of RX50 diskettes (1 box unused)
- an INCOMPLETE set of microVMS v4.6 on 19 RX50
- MicrovaxII diagnostics on 6 RX50 diskettes
- DEMCA/DEPCA install disks(1 rx24, 1 rx31)
Contact me off-list
nick o
houston tx
wow... an 11/45 one week, an 11/05 the next. I'm a happy camper :)
Ok, the basement is SO flooded with vintage gear, wife is wanting some space
back. Maybe I should have a garage sale of my collection extra's... would
you people show up with trucks? hehe
And, by the way, seasons greetings to you all!
Jay
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this book. This book lists ALL of the cards and peripherals can be used on
the systems and explains how to configure many of them. You don't see this
manual very often and it's dammed handy to have!
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2581298787&category=1504>
Joe
Joe,
I just found a message you wrote back in September mentioning a selection
of old track tape drives. I run a computer department on the services side
of the Oil industry and we specialise in maintaining and transcribing data
>from these older types of media. We have almost everything used in our
industry from analogue tapes onwards. Anyway, I am always trying to find
21, 7 and 9 track tape drives, especially old IDT's. Would you still have
the drives you mentioned in your email? If so I'd like to know if you'd be
prepared to let them go to a good home where they can spin tapes again?
Best regards,
Jan.
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Data Services Manager
Veritas DGC Limited.
Telephone DD: +44 (0)1293 443263
Facsimile: +44 (0)1293 443200
Mobile: 0 77 11 66 4545
Hello. I've recently acquired a set of seven Xenix 286 v.1 manuals
plus the OS diskettes + the Development system diskettes. These boots,
even when I was not sure about its state. I should like to do one
copy of them in form of virtual diskettes, in a form that permits
use them with Bochs or similar emulator if possible.
Problems:
* Winimage (soft to do virtual plain copies of disks) can't read the
disks.
* The dd method under Unix/Linux give me errors. I should need to know
the blocksize of the Xenix diskettes and its density (it don't appears
in the labels). In appeareance the blocksize needed is 2048, but using
this command:
dd if=/dev/fd0 of=xenix1_i.dsk bs=2048 conv=noerrors
...returns me one message like this:
3+1 records copied
/dev/fd0: error reading...
6+2 records copied
...
Suggestions ?
Thanks in advance
Sergio
It's not as powerful as it could be (I'll be refining it now and then as
time permits) but the search feature I just added to the VCF Link Library
should make it easier to wade through the links:
http://www.vintage.org/links.php
My goal is to add some sort of indexing that takes into account the
contents of each listed website so that searches will dig deeper into the
actual contents of the sites and pull more relevant results rather than by
just acting on their titles. I'm sure I can achieve this easily by
utilizing Google so I'll be looking into that later.
Bug reports (there shouldn't be any), comments, suggestions, questions,
etc., welcome.
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On Dec 18, 14:08, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Don Maslin wrote:
>
> > > Thank you for your message. I will be out of the office
until
> > > Jan. 5th, 2004. If you require immediate assistance, please
> > > e-mail Mostafa El-Kassed at melkassed(a)scu.edu.
> > <BIG SNIP>
> >
> > Ross, it would have been nicer if you had remembered to delete the
> > digest with all 31 of its topics when you made your response.
> > Most of us have already read them.
>
> Don,
>
> This message was produced by an "out-of-office" auto-responder. I
suspect
> we'll be getting one of these every day until Ross gets back from
vacation
> (unless Jay temporarily unsubscribes him ;)
That shouldn't be necessary. Any half-decent autoresponder will keep
track of who it has responded to, and not send any more after the
first, to any given correspondent. Mind you, any half-decent
autoresponder will not append the entire message it's responding to :-)
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I've completely re-engineered and improved the VCF Link Library:
http://www.vintage.org/links.php
It's a bit easier to navigate and includes more indexes for finding
specialized links or sections of links. In the future I'll also add a
localized search feature. In the meantime, I want to focus on adding more
links and culling the dead links that are currently in the database.
So, if you've got a vintage computing website you'd like to promote and it
isn't already listed, add it to the Library by going here:
http://www.vintage.org/addlink.php
I'll be running a robot to automatically check all the links and flag the
ones that are 404 for removal. If someone knows of an already existing
tool then please let me know about it. I'm pretty sure my Perl Cookbook
has a routine for this.
Anyway, I've put a lot of work into the Link Library and think it's a
great resource, and I hope you do too. It's also a way to improve your
search engine rankings since the VCF is highly ranked itself. Adding a
link to your site couldn't hurt.
I'm interested in hearing any suggestions for improvements.
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Hi Merle -
I couldn't help but respond to a posting that I saw. I'm amazed that these computers are still around. This just brings up all kinds of memories. I was one of the original development engineers at Basic Four from 1973 through 1978. I wrote all the firmware for the 1300 CPU which was an enhanced emulation of the 1200 that we bought from (I think) Microdata, in addition to almost every peripheral diagnostic, most of the drivers and a big hunk of BB2. So, if the computer museum ever needs a little background on the company or products of Basic Four, give me a yell.
William L. (Bill) Miller, Ph.D.
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Thank you for your message. I will be out of the office until Jan. 5th, 2004. If you require immediate assistance, please e-mail Mostafa El-Kassed at melkassed(a)scu.edu.
Sincerely,
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Student Technology Services Manager
Santa Clara University Information Technology
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From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: shipping help from UK
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At 08:15 PM 12/17/03 -0500, Mike wrote:
>From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com>
>
>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Joe wrote:
>>
>> > PS I just threw an 11/05 into storage today. After your's arrives I'd
>> > like to compare notes with you about them.
>>
>> I've got one too.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
>Festival
>
>
>Hey me too. I think it originally came from Joe in a trade for several
>hp5036s long ago. It had the m7261 board and two sets of g110 , g231, h213
>core memory. It was missing the other half of the processor, the m7260. I
>bought a 60, 61 board set off ebay some time back so I might have a spare
>61. I think that leaves one slot available in the 11/05 and I'm hoping a
>rx02 controller and 8" drives out of my 11/44 will work. (?)
No, that's an 11/04 and I GAVE it to you :-/
Joe
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:37:13 -0500
From: "Mike" <dogas(a)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: shipping help from UK
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <000701c3c518$3a992d70$88db3fd0@DOMAIN>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
> >
> >
> >Hey me too. I think it originally came from Joe in a trade for several
> >hp5036s long ago. It had the m7261 board and two sets of g110 , g231,
h213
> >core memory. It was missing the other half of the processor, the m7260.
I
> >bought a 60, 61 board set off ebay some time back so I might have a spare
> >61. I think that leaves one slot available in the 11/05 and I'm hoping a
> >rx02 controller and 8" drives out of my 11/44 will work. (?)
>
> No, that's an 11/04 and I GAVE it to you :-/
>
> Joe
>
Nope, You''re not remembering back far enough. it was an 11/05 earlier.
You did give me a filled LSI-11 card cage in that *big* pile later that
might be the 11/04 your thinking about (although I thought it was 11/03 ish)
otherwise you must be thinking of someone else. No 11/04s here but
definately an 11/05 and 11/44 among too many others.
;)
- Mike
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:52:23 -0600
From: Ron Hudson <ron.hudson(a)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: OT: I never knew...
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <9675FE24-310D-11D8-8167-000393C5A0B6(a)sbcglobal.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 08:12 PM, Davison, Lee wrote:
>
>> Arrgh Dislexia again!
>
> Shouldn't that be dyslexia ?
probably :^)
>
> DARFC,
> Lee.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:15:40 -0600
From: Ron Hudson <ron.hudson(a)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: OT - any C programmers out there?
To: Classic Computers <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <D7019474-3110-11D8-8167-000393C5A0B6(a)sbcglobal.net>
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I am having a problem with sscanf and a record with mixed numbers and
strings.
If you can help, please email off list
rhudson(a)sbcglobal.net
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:30:58 -0500
From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: HP 9000 Series Configuration Reference Manual
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031217223058.00806520(a)pop-server.cfl.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hey if anyone is interested in the HP 9000 Series 200 and 300s you NEED
this book. This book lists ALL of the cards and peripherals can be used on
the systems and explains how to configure many of them. You don't see this
manual very often and it's dammed handy to have!
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2581298787&category=1504>
Joe
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:32:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Fred Cisin <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
Subject: RE: OT: I never knew...
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <20031217203147.M28805(a)newshell.lmi.net>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> > Arrgh Dislexia again!
> Shouldn't that be dyslexia ?
lysdexia
DYSLEXICS UNTIE!
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:39:48 +0000 (GMT)
From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
Subject: Re: shipping help from UK
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Message-ID: <m1AWmCl-000J1UC@p850ug1>
Content-Type: text/plain
> No, but you could ship the PSU in a separate box. (I don't know how easy
> it comes out). That's what I did with the Lisa.
The PSU does come out, but it's not totally trivial. IIRC, you have to
remove the PSU PSB from the PSU chassis (a number of screws) in order to
reach some of the connectors (mate-n-lock in-line things). Then you can
remove the PSU chassis complete with the (heavy) mains transformer.
-tony
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:49:07 -0000
From: "Davison, Lee" <Lee.Davison(a)merlincommunications.com>
Subject: RE: OT: I never knew...
To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <8B39793544120140B253EFE052E7ED0A0171DD0E@nbulif015>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>> Arrgh Dislexia again!
>> Shouldn't that be dyslexia ?
> lysdexia
> DYSLEXICS UNTIE!
Making fun of dyslexics is neither clever or furry!
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:48:05 +0000 (GMT)
From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
Subject: Re: shipping help from UK
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Message-ID: <m1AWq52-000J1UC@p850ug1>
Content-Type: text/plain
> Hey me too. I think it originally came from Joe in a trade for several
> hp5036s long ago. It had the m7261 board and two sets of g110 , g231, h213
> core memory. It was missing the other half of the processor, the m7260. I
> bought a 60, 61 board set off ebay some time back so I might have a spare
> 61. I think that leaves one slot available in the 11/05 and I'm hoping a
> rx02 controller and 8" drives out of my 11/44 will work. (?)
Certainly should do. That spare slot is a standard SPC device slot. Of
course you'll have to cut the NPG jumper on the back of the backplane if
you put an RX211 in there.
-tony
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:54:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Fred Cisin <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Google PI, I never knew...
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <20031217205107.E28805(a)newshell.lmi.net>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
By now, you all know what happens if you search "miserable failure" in
Google.
But, if you go to
www.pi.nersc.gov
neither "miserable", NOR "failure" occur in the first 4 billion bits of
PI. Although "google" does, as does "pi" and "cctalk"
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:55:03 -0600
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
Subject: hp 21mx E on ebay (question/comment)
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <000701c3c523$19d4f5a0$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I looked a while ago at the HP 21MX E series on ebay. Just now happened to
come across it again at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2772816038&category=1247
The unit says 21MX-E on the front, and also clearly says "E series
computer". However, the tag on the back says 2112A, which was an M series
machine. Odd. But further still... the keyswitch has positions operate,
standby, R, and lock. This was indicative of M series machines I thought.
True enough, M series were often upgraded to E series via a motherboard
upgrade. But the rotary key switch is obviously still connected. And from
what I've seen, M series upgraded to E they generally didn't take the time
to upgrade the front panel silkscreen.
I'm betting it's an M series. Or maybe an M that was very completely
upgraded to an E. Anyone have thoughts on this?
Regards,
Jay West
------------------------------
Message: 12
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:51:38 +0000 (GMT)
From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
Subject: Re: More on building PDP-11s
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Message-ID: <m1AWq8U-000J1UC@p850ug1>
Content-Type: text/plain
> Yes, well, it's also possible to use Unibus memory on an 11/70, but
> you have to set jumpers on one of the CPU cards. The Unibus memory will
> not be cached, nor will the RH70 Massbus adapters be able to access
> it.
You are limited to 124K words of memory on the Unibus. On the 11/45
that's all the memory the machine can address, and yes, you can have it
all on the Unibus. On the 11/70, that's only a small fraction of the
address space. It seems perverse to have a CPU capable of 22 bit
addressing, and with fast Massbus interfaces, and then cripple it like this!
I suspect you can use Unibus memory on the 11/44 too, with similar
restrictions.
-tony
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:34:21 -0500
From: Patrick Finnegan <pat(a)computer-refuge.org>
Subject: So I've finally got it...
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Message-ID: <200312180034.21984.pat(a)computer-refuge.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I know this is OT by a couple years, but I hope you all don't mind too
much ; )
After a few weeks of calling people, renting a uhaul, building a ramp,
pinning myself in a closet for a while, and nearly causing much damage
to my apartment, I now have what has been a dream/goal in my life:
There's a Mainframe sitting in my living room. Not just any mainframe,
but a nice black S/390 G3 (9672-RC4). It's got a 1996 list price that
rivals the prices of houses in SoCal, and it's managed to depreciate to
about 0.2% of its list price in around 7 years. And, with 2GB ram,
it's got more memory on its processor than I do in my fairly fast/
capable (very OT) PC...
Of course, it's configured for 3phase 200-480VAC (well, that's what it's
marked on the power supplies... I'm fairly suprised that they can have
that much variance)... but I've managed to get it to spin its fans and
power its "Support Element" laptop with single-phase 240VAC - using the
old "tie together two of the input phases to one leg of the power line"
trick. I've still got to fix how the wiring job is on that is done...
currently a ball of electrical tape, I'd like to stick the proper plugs
back on it and get some proper outlets (which hopefully will be less
than $50 apiece); that'll also let me power both the front AND back
power supplies on the sucker.
So, I've got the laptop booting, and the fans spinning on the S/390, but
none of the boards are powered up yet.. and it's asking for a username/
password to log into the "SE" application it has, which I'm willing to
bet is what will let me power up and IPL (boot) my new toy. Of course,
it doesn't have DASD (disks)... something will need to be worked on for
that, but it can probably come later... I'm hoping on using 'a UNIX
look-alike' on it for now, and am hoping I'll be able to get the kernel
booted without using DASD to boot it from. I'd have to install it from
somewhere, anyway, right?
Well, If anyone knows info to help me get into the SE or HMC, drop me a
line, I'd be interested in learning : ). For now, I'm trying to
contact the people I got it from for the info, but I'm not anticipating
much luck on that front.
For the rest of you, I've got some eye candy that's where I plan to put
information about this thing once I get farther along with it..
http://computer-refuge.org/s390/
Pat
--
Purdue University ITAP/RCS
Information Technology at Purdue
Research Computing and Storage
http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/
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Message: 14
Date: 18 Dec 2003 01:36:14 -0500
From: "R. D. Davis" <rdd(a)rddavis.org>
Subject: Re: So I've finally got it...
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <20031218063614.GE280(a)rhiannon.rddavis.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Quothe Patrick Finnegan, from writings of Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at
12:34:21AM -0500:
> I know this is OT by a couple years, but I hope you all don't mind too
> much ; )
Nah... nice find!
> There's a Mainframe sitting in my living room. Not just any mainframe,
> but a nice black S/390 G3 (9672-RC4). It's got a 1996 list price that
> rivals the prices of houses in SoCal, and it's managed to depreciate to
Congratulations! Now all you need to do is find a little bit more
space for the immortal power supply (diesel generator and
appropriately sized battery-backed UPS) to go with it. :-)
Have fun!
> about 0.2% of its list price in around 7 years. And, with 2GB ram,
> it's got more memory on its processor than I do in my fairly fast/
> capable (very OT) PC...
Wow, twice the amount of RAM in my SparcServer 1000 (since we're
mentioning off-topic computer systems) :-)
--
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All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such
http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:11:10 -0500 (EST)
From: "Robert Krten" <root(a)parse.com>
Subject: Ann: D8TAPE -- unix program to dump/disassemble PDP-8 BIN/RIM
formatted paper tapes
To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org
Message-ID: <200312180211.VAA09013(a)parse.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Just released: d8tape
This program takes a BIN or RIM formatted paper tape binary file and disassembles
it. It features the documentation for the BIN and RIM paper tape formats as source
code comments, along with the documentation for the 8/I and 8/L IOTs (which it also
decodes). Released as "free for non-commercial" license.
Comments, bug reports, feature requests welcome.
See: http://www.parse.com/~museum/pdp8/software/index.html
Cheers,
-RK
--
Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices +1 613 599 8316.
Realtime Systems Architecture, Consulting, Books and Training at www.parse.com
Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 minicomputers!
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:35:11 -0800
From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: In need of a dumb part...
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID:
<5.1.0.14.0.20031218003321.031359d0(a)pop-server.socal.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>IF anybody does have a PS/2 isa mouse card please let me know would really
>like one so my 386 can use the mouse on my kvm (have too many mice on my
>desk as it is.
I've seen plenty of cards that have a PS/2 mouse looking connection on
them, ie MS Mouse cards, is that what is being looked for?
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:04:49 +0000
From: Dan Williams <dan_williams(a)ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: FTGH DEC Cables. (UK)
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <3FE189D1.1050402(a)ntlworld.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Rob O'Donnell wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I've had these kicking about for a while, and I'm sure someone out
> there can use them; I know I can't. I picked them up in a factory
> that a customer had taken over. Going off the labels on the sockets,
> they had a microvax, so I presume these were for that.
>
> A multiway cable, big centronics style connector, with eight cables
> terminating in RJ45s, P/N BN26R-03 (or so it says on the plug)
>
> Two circuit boards, corresponding centronics style socket, and eight
> RJ45 sockets. marked 5022364-01B1T1 5422365 L1 H3117MA
> and 5022364-01 B1 5422365 L1 H3117MA.
>
> Pic at http://www.irrelevant.com/pics/deccable.jpg
>
> Free to good home (or first person to ask, anyway) just pay shipping;
> I'm in the UK, and package weighs a bit under 750g.
>
> regards
>
> Rob.
>
>
>
Am I too late or have these gone already ?
Dan
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:09:17 -0500
From: Christopher McNabb <cmcnabb(a)4mcnabb.net>
Subject: Re: OT: I never knew...
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <3FE18ADD.5050201(a)4mcnabb.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Davison, Lee wrote:
> Making fun of dyslexics is neither clever or furry!
>
That is the message being put out by DAM (Mothers Against Dyslexia)
------------------------------
Message: 19
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:24:12 -0600
From: Ed Tillman <ETILLMAN(a)satx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: OT: I never knew...
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <3FE1B88C.6020501(a)satx.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Davison, Lee wrote:
>>>>Arrgh Dislexia again!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Shouldn't that be dyslexia ?
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>lysdexia
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>DYSLEXICS UNTIE!
>>
>>
>
>Making fun of dyslexics is neither clever or furry!
>
>
>
>
Wyh nto?! I have to fight with this daily, and have had to for 50
years... If I can't laugh at it, then what good is it?
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 20
Date: 18 Dec 2003 12:37:39 +0000
From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: OT: I never knew...
To: "General Discussion: "On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <1071751058.14556.77.camel(a)weka.localdomain>
Content-Type: text/plain
> > On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
> >> Google thinks 335 / 113 = 2.96460177
>
> Arrgh Dislexia again!
>
> >
> > but it thinks that 355/113 is 3.14159292
OK I totally missed the typo, thinking that you were implying that
Google treats the spaces as significant and interprets them as numerical
vaules :-)
umm, values too... dyslexia here too today...
J.
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Message: 21
Date: 18 Dec 2003 12:45:43 +0000
From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: New Research Machines finds
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Message-ID: <1071751543.14556.86.camel(a)weka.localdomain>
Content-Type: text/plain
Couple of new Research Machines finds just turned up:
A 380Z in great condition, with the added bonus that it came with all
the manuals. Quick look inside shows it to be pretty stock, except that
I was told it had some sort of silicon disk option fitted. It does look
to have a memory-type board hooked up to the bus that I wasn't
expecting. Currently drying out prior to strip-down and checking as it
had to overnight in the car...
An RM NB300 laptop. Bet there aren't many of those about (I confess to
not even knowing that RM made a laptop until the guy I got the 380Z from
suddenly remembered that he had it!). Looks to be fairly standard stuff
inside - Conner crap-o-matic 40MB IDE drive, 386 cpu, 4MB RAM etc. but
probably a quite nice spec for the time.
The internal keyboard cable (one of those flat ribbons) is snapped -
anyone know of a UK source for them? Othwise I'll just have to keep an
eye out for replacements in broken laptops...
Oh, I also got various bits of software for both machines - system
disks, Windows 1.0 for the laptop etc.
cheers
Jules
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:22:22 -0500
From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net>
Subject: RE: OT: I never knew...
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts "
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <S.0000293682(a)mythtech.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>> Arrgh Dislexia again!
>
>Shouldn't that be dyslexia ?
D is for Lysdexia !
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:58:11 -0800
From: "vrs" <vrs(a)msn.com>
Subject: Re: D8TAPE -- unix program to dump/disassemble PDP-8
BIN/RIMformatted paper tapes
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV99Jv3zOdnjQ0000086c(a)hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> Just released: d8tape
>
> This program takes a BIN or RIM formatted paper tape binary file and
disassembles
> it. It features the documentation for the BIN and RIM paper tape formats
as source
> code comments, along with the documentation for the 8/I and 8/L IOTs
(which it also
> decodes). Released as "free for non-commercial" license.
>
> Comments, bug reports, feature requests welcome.
>
> See: http://www.parse.com/~museum/pdp8/software/index.html
Hey, I did one of these (in Perl), too! I used it to reverse engineer
sources for various versions of Focal. I also have a perverse version that
"disassembles" to x86 assembly, which then links to a support module to help
emulate the IOTs.
Your stuff gets published, though :-)!
Thanks!
Vince
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:35:17 -0000
From: "Witchy" <witchy(a)binarydinosaurs.co.uk>
Subject: RE: New Research Machines finds
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID:
<EAELLACDNKNOEIOECBEEEEDNEFAA.witchy(a)binarydinosaurs.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
> [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jules Richardson
> Sent: 18 December 2003 12:46
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: New Research Machines finds
>
>
> Couple of new Research Machines finds just turned up:
>
> A 380Z in great condition, with the added bonus that it came with all
> the manuals. Quick look inside shows it to be pretty stock, except that
> I was told it had some sort of silicon disk option fitted. It does look
> to have a memory-type board hooked up to the bus that I wasn't
Swine :o)
--
adrian/witchy
www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the online computer museum
www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o(
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:54:17 -0800
From: Marvin Johnston <marvin(a)rain.org>
Subject: Re: OT: I never knew...
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <3FE1CDA9.A9CF4083(a)rain.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Dam - Mothers Against Dyslexia
Ed Tillman wrote:
>
> Davison, Lee wrote:
>
> >>>>Arrgh Dislexia again!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Shouldn't that be dyslexia ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>lysdexia
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >>DYSLEXICS UNTIE!
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Making fun of dyslexics is neither clever or furry!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Wyh nto?! I have to fight with this daily, and have had to for 50
> years... If I can't laugh at it, then what good is it?
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 26
Date: 18 Dec 2003 16:06:51 +0000
From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: New Research Machines finds
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On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 15:35, Witchy wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
> > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jules Richardson
Hmmm... something very odd be happening with my email, I need to go pick
the server apart I think...
> > Couple of new Research Machines finds just turned up:
> >
> > A 380Z in great condition, with the added bonus that it came with all
> > the manuals. Quick look inside shows it to be pretty stock, except that
> > I was told it had some sort of silicon disk option fitted. It does look
> > to have a memory-type board hooked up to the bus that I wasn't
>
> Swine :o)
Heh heh :p
It's not boxed though... although I must ask the person who I got it
>from if he has the box. I know he has some more RM stuff at an old
office but I think it's all Nimbus-era equipment.
Nice to have the proper manuals for the 380Z though - and they're from
that era of real computing, meaning that all the schematics etc. come
with them :)
Will hopefully check it out this evening and see if it fires up.
cheers
Jules
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Message: 27
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:59:20 -0600
From: "Christopher Cureau" <chrisc(a)addpower.com>
Subject: Viking disk controller on Ebay
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
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Does anyone have information on this controller? Does it do MSCP
emulation? I want SCSI, but I don't want to get something that won't be
compatible with 2.11BSD or the like...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2772733938&category=1247
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Message: 28
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:22:01 -0500 (EST)
From: "Robert Krten" <root(a)parse.com>
Subject: Re: D8TAPE -- unix program to dump/disassemble PDP-8
To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org
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vrs sez...
>
> > Just released: d8tape
> >
> > This program takes a BIN or RIM formatted paper tape binary file and
> disassembles
> > it. It features the documentation for the BIN and RIM paper tape formats
> as source
> > code comments, along with the documentation for the 8/I and 8/L IOTs
> (which it also
> > decodes). Released as "free for non-commercial" license.
> >
> > Comments, bug reports, feature requests welcome.
> >
> > See: http://www.parse.com/~museum/pdp8/software/index.html
>
> Hey, I did one of these (in Perl), too! I used it to reverse engineer
> sources for various versions of Focal. I also have a perverse version that
> "disassembles" to x86 assembly, which then links to a support module to help
> emulate the IOTs.
>
> Your stuff gets published, though :-)!
:-)
A new feature that I'm working on now is the ability to convert RIM -> BIN
or vice versa, as well as a RIM -> RIM and BIN -> BIN "cleanup" phase that
trims off excess pre-header and post-trailer stuff. Look for it at a website
near you soon! :-)
Cheers,
-RK
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Message: 29
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:46:16 -0800 (PST)
From: William Miller <wlm_phd(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Basic Four Computers
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Hi Merle -
I couldn't help but respond to a posting that I saw. I'm amazed that these computers are still around. This just brings up all kinds of memories. I was one of the original development engineers at Basic Four from 1973 through 1978. I wrote all the firmware for the 1300 CPU which was an enhanced emulation of the 1200 that we bought from (I think) Microdata, in addition to almost every peripheral diagnostic, most of the drivers and a big hunk of BB2. So, if the computer museum ever needs a little background on the company or products of Basic Four, give me a yell.
William L. (Bill) Miller, Ph.D.
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Message: 30
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:38:41 +0000
From: Dan Williams <dan_williams(a)ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: New Research Machines finds
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Witchy wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
>>[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jules Richardson
>>Sent: 18 December 2003 12:46
>>To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>>Subject: New Research Machines finds
>>
>>
>>Couple of new Research Machines finds just turned up:
>>
>>A 380Z in great condition, with the added bonus that it came with all
>>the manuals. Quick look inside shows it to be pretty stock, except that
>>I was told it had some sort of silicon disk option fitted. It does look
>>to have a memory-type board hooked up to the bus that I wasn't
>>
>>
>
>
>
I had up until about 5 years ago two of these, with all original 8"
software disks, double 8" drive and two external winchester drives. The
external winchesters where big mfm disks with a convertor board to scsi
or sasi I can't remember. They are great looking machines with a BIG
reset button and keyswitch. I wish I hadn't given them away. One of them
still had all the server software on it to boot a network of 30 odd 480z
machines which it did with ease until they replaced it with a nimbus server.
On another note does anyone still have a nimbus with c-dos and the 480z
network software installed on it. I have very fond memories of these
>from school. I can remember when they replaced all the 480z's with
nimbus's (nimbi ?). They had a few 286's when I left which I believe
where around the ?2000 mark then.
I know the borough I lived in (Bromley) used almost exclusivly RM
machines was that the same everywhere in the UK.
Dan
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Message: 31
Date: 18 Dec 2003 17:25:32 +0000
From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Free to a good home... (Cambridge UK)
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I'm planning a minor clear-out, so just seeing if there's any initial
interest in the following:
Machines, (currently half-buried in storage)
Commodore 16 (I haven't yet found where I've put the PSU!)
Memotech MTX 500 + PSU
Commodore Vic 20, games, welcome pack, tape deck, joystick etc.
I'll dig them out properly and make sure they still power up ok if
someone wants them.
Printers (currently very buried in storage :-)
Canon PW1080A standard dot matrix thingy
DEC LQP02 wide-carriage daisywheel
TI Omni 800 - 820 RO terminal (wide carriage)
I have vague memories of the Canon and the TI working before I shoved
them in the store room years ago. Can't remember when it comes to the
DEC (or where on earth I got it!)
Odds and ends:
A Ferranti IBM XT clone / approximation. From memory: 8bit ISA bus,
plus a couple of non-standard slots, uses an 8086 CPU, two seperate
PSUs. Lots of ULA logic. I have a spare board set for it too. Never got
it to boot - not sure what version of DOS it requires.
DEC Rainbow 100 system board, case lid, and I think I have a PSU
kicking around too. Kept around as spares for my working 'bow, but I
think I'd rather have the space the bits take up.
The Philips P3800 mini that I've mentioned on here before - power
supply certainly is hosed. I just don't know when I'm ever going to get
the time to try and sort it out, and it's a bit too bulky to justify
hanging onto it. Hence it's going to have to go to the scrap if I can't
find a home for it soon :-(
I may have either a Mac II or a Mac IIcx free soon too, when I decide
which one I want to part with :-)
There may be other stuff as and when I unearth it...
I'm not much of a shipping fan I'm afraid so really want someone to pick
anything they want up - as well as Cambridge I get over Milton Keynes
way every so often too.
cheers
Jules
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I'm looking at getting a cpu shipped to me from the UK. I checked UPS and it
says 40 pounds, 30x20x10 inches, would be about $106 to ship to me in US,
63146.
I've never shipped anything from UK to US before - can anyone advise if
there is a better carrier, things to look out for, etc. I'd appreciate any
advice.
Normally I wouldn't go to so much trouble, but it's a older PDP-11 that
would particularly round out my collection :)
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I'm planning a minor clear-out, so just seeing if there's any initial
interest in the following:
Machines, (currently half-buried in storage)
Commodore 16 (I haven't yet found where I've put the PSU!)
Memotech MTX 500 + PSU
Commodore Vic 20, games, welcome pack, tape deck, joystick etc.
I'll dig them out properly and make sure they still power up ok if
someone wants them.
Printers (currently very buried in storage :-)
Canon PW1080A standard dot matrix thingy
DEC LQP02 wide-carriage daisywheel
TI Omni 800 - 820 RO terminal (wide carriage)
I have vague memories of the Canon and the TI working before I shoved
them in the store room years ago. Can't remember when it comes to the
DEC (or where on earth I got it!)
Odds and ends:
A Ferranti IBM XT clone / approximation. From memory: 8bit ISA bus,
plus a couple of non-standard slots, uses an 8086 CPU, two seperate
PSUs. Lots of ULA logic. I have a spare board set for it too. Never got
it to boot - not sure what version of DOS it requires.
DEC Rainbow 100 system board, case lid, and I think I have a PSU
kicking around too. Kept around as spares for my working 'bow, but I
think I'd rather have the space the bits take up.
The Philips P3800 mini that I've mentioned on here before - power
supply certainly is hosed. I just don't know when I'm ever going to get
the time to try and sort it out, and it's a bit too bulky to justify
hanging onto it. Hence it's going to have to go to the scrap if I can't
find a home for it soon :-(
I may have either a Mac II or a Mac IIcx free soon too, when I decide
which one I want to part with :-)
There may be other stuff as and when I unearth it...
I'm not much of a shipping fan I'm afraid so really want someone to pick
anything they want up - as well as Cambridge I get over Milton Keynes
way every so often too.
cheers
Jules
Just released: d8tape
This program takes a BIN or RIM formatted paper tape binary file and disassembles
it. It features the documentation for the BIN and RIM paper tape formats as source
code comments, along with the documentation for the 8/I and 8/L IOTs (which it also
decodes). Released as "free for non-commercial" license.
Comments, bug reports, feature requests welcome.
See: http://www.parse.com/~museum/pdp8/software/index.html
Cheers,
-RK
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Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 minicomputers!
>>> Arrgh Dislexia again!
>> Shouldn't that be dyslexia ?
> lysdexia
> DYSLEXICS UNTIE!
Making fun of dyslexics is neither clever or furry!
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Somebody just showed me "Google calculator". Go to google and enter any of
the following:
0xf342 - 54
38891 in octal
10kg * 4m/s^2
26tbsp
I guess I can throw away my 27S now. :-) --Patrick
Hi.
I've had these kicking about for a while, and I'm sure someone out there
can use them; I know I can't. I picked them up in a factory that a
customer had taken over. Going off the labels on the sockets, they had a
microvax, so I presume these were for that.
A multiway cable, big centronics style connector, with eight cables
terminating in RJ45s, P/N BN26R-03 (or so it says on the plug)
Two circuit boards, corresponding centronics style socket, and eight RJ45
sockets. marked 5022364-01B1T1 5422365 L1 H3117MA
and 5022364-01 B1 5422365 L1 H3117MA.
Pic at http://www.irrelevant.com/pics/deccable.jpg
Free to good home (or first person to ask, anyway) just pay shipping; I'm
in the UK, and package weighs a bit under 750g.
regards
Rob.
I know this is OT by a couple years, but I hope you all don't mind too
much ; )
After a few weeks of calling people, renting a uhaul, building a ramp,
pinning myself in a closet for a while, and nearly causing much damage
to my apartment, I now have what has been a dream/goal in my life:
There's a Mainframe sitting in my living room. Not just any mainframe,
but a nice black S/390 G3 (9672-RC4). It's got a 1996 list price that
rivals the prices of houses in SoCal, and it's managed to depreciate to
about 0.2% of its list price in around 7 years. And, with 2GB ram,
it's got more memory on its processor than I do in my fairly fast/
capable (very OT) PC...
Of course, it's configured for 3phase 200-480VAC (well, that's what it's
marked on the power supplies... I'm fairly suprised that they can have
that much variance)... but I've managed to get it to spin its fans and
power its "Support Element" laptop with single-phase 240VAC - using the
old "tie together two of the input phases to one leg of the power line"
trick. I've still got to fix how the wiring job is on that is done...
currently a ball of electrical tape, I'd like to stick the proper plugs
back on it and get some proper outlets (which hopefully will be less
than $50 apiece); that'll also let me power both the front AND back
power supplies on the sucker.
So, I've got the laptop booting, and the fans spinning on the S/390, but
none of the boards are powered up yet.. and it's asking for a username/
password to log into the "SE" application it has, which I'm willing to
bet is what will let me power up and IPL (boot) my new toy. Of course,
it doesn't have DASD (disks)... something will need to be worked on for
that, but it can probably come later... I'm hoping on using 'a UNIX
look-alike' on it for now, and am hoping I'll be able to get the kernel
booted without using DASD to boot it from. I'd have to install it from
somewhere, anyway, right?
Well, If anyone knows info to help me get into the SE or HMC, drop me a
line, I'd be interested in learning : ). For now, I'm trying to
contact the people I got it from for the info, but I'm not anticipating
much luck on that front.
For the rest of you, I've got some eye candy that's where I plan to put
information about this thing once I get farther along with it..
http://computer-refuge.org/s390/
Pat
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> Arrgh Dislexia again!
Shouldn't that be dyslexia ?
DARFC,
Lee.
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Hi
There was a talk at our last svfig ( Silicon Valley Forth Interest Group )
about how to find the interesting integer ratios ( like 355/113 ). Although,
one can simply try all kinds of numbers ( quite quick on todays processors ),
there are algorithms based on number theory that are faster. I wish I was
paying more attention so I could pass on what was done.
The talk was based on creating speciallized languages to handle these
interesting problems of LSD's ( Least Common Denominator ). The fellow
that gave the talk was named LaFarr. Forth is especially adapt at
creating application oriented languages. I fact that is the way
one normally programs in Forth, once they know what they are doing.
Dwight
>From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
>
>At 02:43 PM 12/17/03 -0800, you wrote:
>>On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Patrick Rigney wrote:
>>> Somebody just showed me "Google calculator". Go to google and enter any of
>>> the following:
>>> 0xf342 - 54
>>> 38891 in octal
>>> 10kg * 4m/s^2
>>> 26tbsp
>>> I guess I can throw away my 27S now. :-) --Patrick
>>
>>Their "complete instructions" suck. They don't even list all of the
>>operators! (such as your use above of "in octal".
>>
>>OK,
>>what is the IEEE floating point representation of PI?
>>"3.1.459 in binary" does NOT work.
>
> I don't know but 355/113 is easy to remember and is accuarate to about 6
>places. That's what we used to use on computer languages that didn't have
>PI predefined. (Boy I'm dating myself!)
>
> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Do you remember the name of the manufacturer or company that sold them?
I'm sure the kit I bought was from Kensington.
I know they sell (or sold) these kits, and have (had) ones for the
Powerbooks. For those it was a little cynlinder with a finger on the end.
You slipped the finger into the security hole, then when you turned the
key, it spun the finger behind the plastic of the case, latching the
cylinder to the powerbook. Then the cable would be fed thru the cylinder
(or was maybe preattached, I don't recall), and the cable was secured to
some other item to keep it from being moved (desk, cinderblock, really
really big dog...)
I also recall a different laptop security product. It was a stick on
alarm that was motion sensitive. It had a keypad on the top to type in
your code to deactivate it. The idea was it glued to the powerbook, so
you could put the powerbook down on a desk, turn the alarm on, and walk
away. If anyone moved or touched the powerbook, the alarm would go off.
I'm not sure how much use it was. If you could run fast, you could still
steal it since it wasn't fixed to any object. You would just run with it
beeping (stuff it in a bag full of rags and it would probably silence
enough to be able to hide it until the battery died, or you could pry it
off the powerbook).
I'm pretty sure these only came in a glue on design, and I'm not sure
when I first saw one, they might have been after the Portable was
retired. So if you need something that is specific to the Portable's
security hole, then that didn't help you (but it was a fun read anyway).
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Hi! do you still have this for sale? And do you have the controller card for it too?
Thanks, John
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>I remember seeing ads for video cassettes that did the same sort of thing
>... load it into your VCR when unattended, and it'd scream (seem to
>remember pictures of big cats??) when moved.
I've never seen them for VCRs before, but it doesn't surprise me. I have
seen recently similar alarms that you can put on furniture or other items
you don't want a pet on, and when it is jiggled or otherwise detects the
pet (I think some are infrared detectors), the alarm goes off briefly.
I did like the one I saw that was an electric pad. When the pet climbs on
the pad, their weight activates it and they get a shock. I'm sure its
harmless, but I'm not sure I would want to go shocking my cat on a
regular basis (but I have thought about doing the same thing with the
screen top to my lizard tank that my cat keeps climbing on and then
falling thru).
>This is of course when VCRs
>cost ?400 (US$700) and not the ?29 (US$49) I've seen them recently...
I just paid US $14 for a DVD player for my father for Xmas. He's been
complaining he wants one, but I know it won't ever be turned on... so I
bought one that was on sale, had a $10 rebate, and I used "Best Buy
Bucks" from a McDonalds promotion that I had saved up. When I was done,
total cost was $14. (and they asked if I wanted the $30 extended warranty
on it!!!)
A bit of a price difference from my first DVD player that cost me $500.
Of course, I also suspect that my first player will be running happily
years from now, when the $14 model has long since died.
-chris
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Adaptec AHA-1542B SCSI card, untested (I don't own a PeeCee!) - $1
Cutting Edge, Inc. Mac External 3.5 inch drive. Obviously a piece of crap
put out by a fly by night company - $2
Let me know off list. Buyer(s) pay shipping from 10512.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
Nico de Jong
Can you let me know whether you still have OMTI7250 controller board as I am trying to repair an older version the OMTI 5200.
Please email me at giles.mascarenhas(a)lineone.net
Thanks
Giles Mascarenhas
Just picked-up a nice Bell & Howell computer. It's
very nice, and seems to work fine, but I don't know
much about the history behind it.
I know it's an Apple II Plus in disguise, sold to
schools by B&H. Is there anything interesting about it
or it's history?
Thanks!
Steve.
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