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looking for: Option Board, Trackstar, Turnover Card or similars

by silviorf＠yahoo.com

Hi, I would like to read/write apple II disks directly >from my PC. Searching the web I read about the following hardware cards for PC: -Option Boards (made by CentralPoint); -Apple Turnover card; -Trackstar card; Anyone knows where can I find one of those cards ?? Any other "DIY" solution would be apreciated too... Thanks in advance, Silvio ______________________________________________________________________ Conhe?a a nova central de informa??es anti-spam do Yahoo! Mail: http://www.yahoo.com.br/antispam

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Message for Joe Heck - re. 7 Track tape drives

by aek＠spies.com

Look, I hate Big Oil as much as the next guy (probably more so), but there's no reason to turn down good money. -- Yes there is. There are archivists who work FOR the collecting community (not just me) that can't find legacy tape drives to read historically significant tapes. Every drive that goes into "data recovery" black holes will never see one second of use to help us. You've struck a raw nerve with this.. I've spent years rediscovering data recovery techniques that have been known for twenty years because no one in the business will talk about it. Take a look on the web for things related to data recovery, file and sector formats, etc. and you won't find squat except for the stuff individuals have reverse engineered. --

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cpt8520

by gfdudley＠bellsouth.net

Hello Witchy, I sold these things for Dick Eichorn....in Washington DC against burroughs/redacdon......did quite well with sales as a matter of fact......but that was yesterday> no it isn't a home computer by any stretch of the word.....it is a very powerful, 2nd generation 8000 CPT..what is the serial Number???should be on the inspection plate on the back or near that area...when the unit came on the Market..CPT was in the early stages of financial difficulties....that did not keep those in DC from selling the box.....If you plug the 8000 key board into the 8520 you will either get the 8520 to work or not.....it just happens that way....when we rec'vd the 8520's the tech had to try to build a complete unit from what ever parts they had in house....oh the units came in complete, they just were rushed thru production. and the end result were always marginal....the original power up.....always asked for the floppy......in my files somewhere, Knoxville, tn....where I now reside/retired ....I'll try to connect/email with one other person that is still in the DC area.....we will see what activity this produces.....what prompted my search on this is a statement from a financial organization about 120 shares of stock/in stock ownership plans that split @ 60 back when I was selling the boxes....go figure......it has been a long time but the america social security system must actually keep records of that sort of thing....I left CPT Corp for Hol Inns, spent 13 years with them....Moved into the hospitality Industry...Room safes,,,,like the EL Safe ASSa Abloy...web site www.elsafe.com or www.assaabloy.com I now do contract work for www.perma-vault.com of Warminster, PA. I,m still in the hospitality industry....work is now concentrated on the distributors....they buy more.........I"ll keep a watch for your response....it should be interesting.....Happy Holidays.... Gordon Dudley, bellsouth@.net

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looking for: Option Board, Trackstar, Turnover Card or similars

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 21, 15:46, Patrick Finnegan wrote: > On Sunday 21 December 2003 15:03, Fred Cisin wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, [iso-8859-1] Silvio Finotti wrote: > > > Thank you all for the replys.... > > > Just discovered a software that claims to read Apple > > > II disks (and other formats too) using a normal PC > > Reads Apple ][ disks without no extra hardware? > > Does it also turn water into wine? > I too am skeptical, but it has some more information here: > > http://www.oldskool.org/disk2fdi/trial.html > > along with some more documentation in the ZIP file you can download. > I'd have to see it to believe it, but who knows... > One thing to note is that he says it requires a *2nd* floppy drive for > non-PC compatible formats. So, I'm guessing he screws with the floppy > select lines somehow to "mix" the data streams from two drives and try > to get the PC controller to parse it. Still, I'm skeptable that it's > possible to work well, and I'm fairly certain it can't be reliable. Having now read the docs, I'm partway to believing it. For those who've not downloaded the trial copy and read the docs, the trick is to have the disk to be read in one drive, and a standard disk in another. Start both drives, start reading the standard disk, but using the "Read Track" (diagnostic) command, watch for the DMA to start working (which means it's read a header and has started to transfer the data stream), and then switch drives and double the data rate setting. The idea is that by doing this, the FDC sees a valid header and starts transferring bits, then by doubling the data rate you get the raw data + clocks off the other disk. Then it's a matter of decoding what you have in your buffer; finding the sync patterns, working out the density and sector sizes, numbers and so on. I know that can be done, because I've a program (written about ten years ago) that does it. It uses a 1770 to read raw data (only from FM/MFM disks though) and then decodes it; it's designed to copy protected disks and I've never once known it fail, though it sometimes takes a while to work out exactly what it has in the buffer and how to write it back. Of course the patterns on Apple and Commodore disk aren't the same, but in principle it should be doable. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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looking for: Option Board, Trackstar, Turnover Card or similars

by silviorf＠yahoo.com

Thank you all for the replys.... Just discovered a software that claims to read Apple II disks (and other formats too) using a normal PC without no extra hardware (except for with 2 disk drives, 1 must be 5,25)!!! . Have not tested it yet, since I didn't found my old drives.... There's the link.... it's really interestint !!! http://www.oldskool.org/disk2fdi/index_html To Grumpy Ol' Fred: ------------------- > -Apple Turnover card; Out of business, never worked very well. SOMEWHERE, I have several crates of DEAD ones. Don't you want to sell 2 or 3 pieces of those deads cards ??? > Quadlink were entire Apple][ clones on a PC ISA card. Do they have software for file transfer? (NOTE: on a sample size of ~50, we had >75% DOA rate on the Quadlink.'We received several that had connectors misinstalled, that could not have ever been tested. We had a comparable DOA rate on the replacement units, indicating that they never did ANY QA.) I'm interested in the Quadlink card too, if you still have any of them.... Cheers, Silvio Finotti ______________________________________________________________________ Conhe?a a nova central de informa??es anti-spam do Yahoo! Mail: http://www.yahoo.com.br/antispam

22 years, 3 months

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some RM03 questions

by quapla＠xs4all.nl

Hi All, I finally got to the RM03 I collected over a year ago from Italy. I did some cleaning of the main unit, and I have a spare absolute airfilter which I want to replace with the old one, which brings me to the first question..., how do I replace it? Apparently, the whole drive and actuator allembly can be lifted, but I can't find a lever or bolt to release in order to lift it. Q2 : is the drive a 'real' SMD drive, or a modified one? there are 2 flatcables running from the back, one wide, and one small. The reason I'm asking this is that I have heard that CDC made the drives and they did make those (model 99xx?) as SMD one's as well. Last question : in the drive is a pack, but I don't have an empty cover with a handle to place over it in order to remove it. I do hawever have 4 packs which are having their covers, and was thinking of using one of those. problem is, how to release it from the handle? Any info is appriciated :) Ed --

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AIC-100 data sheet

by aek＠spies.com

Tony was asking about tech info on the ACB4000 so I did some digging around and found the data sheet I had for the AIC-100 which should be the main control IC on the 4000. www.bitsavers.org/pdf/adaptec/AIC-100_dataSheet.pdf

22 years, 3 months

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NEC Multispeed HD Setup Disk

by robert_little_2000＠yahoo.com

Joe, I came across a message you posted in the Classic Computer forum regarding helping someone out with a NEC Multispeed 286. I actually have the original Multispeed HD, and have looked high and low for the setup programs. Do you still have that SW around? Thanks, Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

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Many token ring cards available

by vcf＠siconic.com

I've got a couple buttloads of token ring cards available; 8-bit and 16-bit ISA, as well as PCI. If there's any interest, please contact me directly. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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some RM03 questions

by aek＠spies.com

here is the specific quote: www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/disc/RM05_Handbook.pdf pages 2-43 and 2-44 " CDC does not recommend head or media cleaning on the 9766. <- same heads as RM03/9762 The tolerances involved are much more critital than the RP06 or similar drives. Due to the 'Burnished media' technology used on these packs, the normal pack cleaning procedures tend to leave a residue on the platter surfaces. The media requires a special power wash cycle to insure that all the residue is removed. Again, only a keen eye trained to recognize a media defect can spot a problem inspecting a pack. CDC recommends a program of media inspection at certain intervals but will not recommend any cleaning. Therefore a clean environment and proper storage of media to prevent pack contamination is strongly suggested. "

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Processor Tech PTDOS 1.5 manual now online

by frustum＠pacbell.net

I've been wrestling with my PC for the past few weeks, but it is finally stable enough that I have had time to post the Processor Technology PTDOS 1.5 User's guide on my web site. PTDOS was contemporaneous with CP/M, but it was a lot more sophisticated in some ways. But don't believe me, just read it for yourself. http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/soldocu.html (the PTDOS manual is near the end, broken up into the core OS chapters in one PDF, and another PDF containing a chapter for each of the various bundled applications).

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Cable for Televideo 910 and altair 8800b

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Just putted a Televideo 910 terminal out of the bus and now need a cable to hook it up to my altair 8800b. Anyone have an extra cable they want to sell or know where I can order one? Thanks

22 years, 3 months

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hp 21mx E on ebay (question/comment)

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I looked a while ago at the HP 21MX E series on ebay. Just now happened to come across it again at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2772816038&category=1247 The unit says 21MX-E on the front, and also clearly says "E series computer". However, the tag on the back says 2112A, which was an M series machine. Odd. But further still... the keyswitch has positions operate, standby, R, and lock. This was indicative of M series machines I thought. True enough, M series were often upgraded to E series via a motherboard upgrade. But the rotary key switch is obviously still connected. And from what I've seen, M series upgraded to E they generally didn't take the time to upgrade the front panel silkscreen. I'm betting it's an M series. Or maybe an M that was very completely upgraded to an E. Anyone have thoughts on this? Regards, Jay West

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fw: Announcing a DEC Pro 350 emulator

by rachael＠rachael.dyndns.org

seen on comp.sys.dec.micro >From: "Tarik Isani" <xhomer(a)ReplaceWithMyLastName.org> >Subject: Announcing a DEC Pro 350 emulator >Date: 15 Dec 2003 05:47:02 GMT > >I would like to announce the first public release of >Xhomer, a DEC Pro 350 machine emulator, based on the >PDP-11 core from (a somewhat old version of) SIMH. > >The emulator was written for Linux/XFree86 systems, >but should work with other Unix/X11 systems as well. > >Xhomer is able to boot stock installations of >P/OS 3.2 and Venix (other operating systems may also >work, but have not been tested yet). > >The hard disk, floppy drives, display (standard video >and extended bitmap option), floating point processor, >real-time clock, keyboard, and printer and communications >ports are all emulated. > >Source and binary downloads, as well as documentation, >may be obtained from: > >http://xhomer.isani.org/ > >Feedback is welcome. > >Tarik Isani though someone here might find it interessting Regards Jacob Dahl Pind

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List of token ring cards

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here is a rough list of the cards I have: Olicom 770000260 PCI 1 770000331 PCI 2 770000591 ISA 1 770000690 PCI 14 770000811 ISA 4 770000861 PCI 19 770001120 PCI 3 OC-3137 PCI 7 OC-3118 ISA 3 3Com 3C339 PCI 16 IBM Auto LANStreamer PCI 4 ??? 2000T ISA 2 Again, let me know if there's any (additional) interest. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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About Veritas, Was Re: Message for Joe Heck - re. 7 Track tape drives

by jpdavis＠gorge.net

Jan_Wood(a)veritasdgc.com wrote: > Joe, > > I just found a message you wrote back in September mentioning a selection > of old track tape drives. I run a computer department on the services > side > of the Oil industry and we specialise in maintaining and transcribing > data > from these older types of media. We have almost everything used in our > industry from analogue tapes onwards. Anyway, I am always trying to find > 21, 7 and 9 track tape drives, especially old IDT's. Would you still have > the drives you mentioned in your email? If so I'd like to know if > you'd be > prepared to let them go to a good home where they can spin tapes again? > > Best regards, > Jan. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Mr Jan T. Wood > Data Services Manager > Veritas DGC Limited. > Telephone DD: +44 (0)1293 443263 > Facsimile: +44 (0)1293 443200 > Mobile: 0 77 11 66 4545 > > > > > From veritas about web page: VERITAS Software Corporation (NASDAQ: VRTS) is headquartered in Mountain View, Calif., and employs more than 6,300 people in 36 countries. With annualized revenues over $1.5 billion in 2002, VERITAS Software ranks among the top 10 software companies in the world. Through its award-winning and market-leading products focused on business efficiency and continuity, VERITAS Software provides the building blocks for utility computing. This is a big operation, Any transactions with this company should be on a BUSINESS basis. That then begs the question, Is it ethical ( for a CC'er ) to sell or give classic equipment to a large corporation for the profit of this operation? Most likely the equipment will be locked up in some machine room available at $1000/hr? It's also an oil operation. I'll leave the members of CC to judge. Their product is mapping data sets for oil exploration. One more question? Has Veritas done anything to help the CC cause? My bad to cc/on-topic ( posted to the wrong group) Jim Davis.

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Viking disk controller on Ebay

by chrisc＠addpower.com

Does anyone have information on this controller? Does it do MSCP emulation? I want SCSI, but I don't want to get something that won't be compatible with 2.11BSD or the like... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2772733938&category=1247

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About Veritas, Was Re: Message for Joe Heck - re. 7 Track tape drives

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > >Jim, >You know, you might want to make sure you've got the right company first here >is the website for "Veritas DGC Limited" http://www.veritasdgc.com/ They most >definitly are not Veritas Software Corporation. As for the the question of is >it ethical to sell or give to a large corporation, I don't see giving, but I >can sure see selling. Selling to industries that have need of some of the >equipment that Hobbyists have saved can be a good way of offsetting the storage >costs of ones collection. Lease it to them. That way both parties get something. Dwight > >What's more ethical, hoarding equipment that someone desperately needs, and never doing anything useful with it, or selling it to someone that needs it? > > Zane > > >>>Mr Jan T. Wood >>>Data Services Manager >>>Veritas DGC Limited. >>>Telephone DD: +44 (0)1293 443263 >>>Facsimile: +44 (0)1293 443200 >>>Mobile: 0 77 11 66 4545 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>From veritas about web page: >> >>VERITAS Software Corporation (NASDAQ: VRTS) is headquartered in Mountain View, Calif., >>and employs more than 6,300 people in 36 countries. With annualized revenues over $1.5 billion >>in 2002, VERITAS Software ranks among the top 10 software companies in the world. >>Through its award-winning and market-leading products focused on business efficiency >>and continuity, VERITAS Software provides the building blocks for utility computing. >> >>This is a big operation, Any transactions with this company should be on a BUSINESS basis. >>That then begs the question, Is it ethical ( for a CC'er ) to sell or give classic equipment to >>a large corporation for the profit of this operation? Most likely the equipment will >>be locked up in some machine room available at $1000/hr? It's also an oil operation. >>I'll leave the members of CC to judge. Their product is mapping data sets for oil exploration. >>One more question? Has Veritas done anything to help the CC cause? >>My bad to cc/on-topic ( posted to the wrong group) >>Jim Davis. > >-- >-- >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | >| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | >| | Classic Computer Collector | >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | >| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | >

22 years, 3 months

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Some DEC Freebies

by oliv555＠arrl.net

In my continuing effort to clear out no-longer-used items I offer these freebies (UpayShip), all are original DEC disks: - Field Service Tests for mPDP11 on 5 RX50 diskettes - Diags for mPDP11 on 6 RX50 - a Duplicate set of above mPDP11 Diags (originals,not copies) - Micro-11 Maint Diags for PDP11, 10 disks - 2 boxes of RX50 diskettes (1 box unused) - an INCOMPLETE set of microVMS v4.6 on 19 RX50 - MicrovaxII diagnostics on 6 RX50 diskettes - DEMCA/DEPCA install disks(1 rx24, 1 rx31) Contact me off-list nick o houston tx

22 years, 3 months

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blessings from the computer gods :)

by jwest＠kwcorp.com

wow... an 11/45 one week, an 11/05 the next. I'm a happy camper :) Ok, the basement is SO flooded with vintage gear, wife is wanting some space back. Maybe I should have a garage sale of my collection extra's... would you people show up with trucks? hehe And, by the way, seasons greetings to you all! Jay --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

22 years, 3 months

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HP 9000 Series Configuration Reference Manual

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Hey if anyone is interested in the HP 9000 Series 200 and 300s you NEED this book. This book lists ALL of the cards and peripherals can be used on the systems and explains how to configure many of them. You don't see this manual very often and it's dammed handy to have! <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2581298787&category=1504> Joe

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Message for Joe Heck - re. 7 Track tape drives

by Jan_Wood＠veritasdgc.com

Joe, I just found a message you wrote back in September mentioning a selection of old track tape drives. I run a computer department on the services side of the Oil industry and we specialise in maintaining and transcribing data >from these older types of media. We have almost everything used in our industry from analogue tapes onwards. Anyway, I am always trying to find 21, 7 and 9 track tape drives, especially old IDT's. Would you still have the drives you mentioned in your email? If so I'd like to know if you'd be prepared to let them go to a good home where they can spin tapes again? Best regards, Jan. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr Jan T. Wood Data Services Manager Veritas DGC Limited. Telephone DD: +44 (0)1293 443263 Facsimile: +44 (0)1293 443200 Mobile: 0 77 11 66 4545

22 years, 3 months

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Xenix 286 v.1

by SPEDRAJA＠ono.com

Hello. I've recently acquired a set of seven Xenix 286 v.1 manuals plus the OS diskettes + the Development system diskettes. These boots, even when I was not sure about its state. I should like to do one copy of them in form of virtual diskettes, in a form that permits use them with Bochs or similar emulator if possible. Problems: * Winimage (soft to do virtual plain copies of disks) can't read the disks. * The dd method under Unix/Linux give me errors. I should need to know the blocksize of the Xenix diskettes and its density (it don't appears in the labels). In appeareance the blocksize needed is 2048, but using this command: dd if=/dev/fd0 of=xenix1_i.dsk bs=2048 conv=noerrors ...returns me one message like this: 3+1 records copied /dev/fd0: error reading... 6+2 records copied ... Suggestions ? Thanks in advance Sergio

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Copy of STD39 Internet Standard (BBN Report 1822)

by aek＠spies.com

http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/bbn/imp/BBN1822_Jan1976.pdf

22 years, 3 months

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New search feature added to VCF Link Library

by vcf＠siconic.com

It's not as powerful as it could be (I'll be refining it now and then as time permits) but the search feature I just added to the VCF Link Library should make it easier to wade through the links: http://www.vintage.org/links.php My goal is to add some sort of indexing that takes into account the contents of each listed website so that searches will dig deeper into the actual contents of the sites and pull more relevant results rather than by just acting on their titles. I'm sure I can achieve this easily by utilizing Google so I'll be looking into that later. Bug reports (there shouldn't be any), comments, suggestions, questions, etc., welcome. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

22 years, 3 months

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cctalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 38 ( -Reply)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 18, 14:08, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Don Maslin wrote: > > > > Thank you for your message. I will be out of the office until > > > Jan. 5th, 2004. If you require immediate assistance, please > > > e-mail Mostafa El-Kassed at melkassed(a)scu.edu. > > <BIG SNIP> > > > > Ross, it would have been nicer if you had remembered to delete the > > digest with all 31 of its topics when you made your response. > > Most of us have already read them. > > Don, > > This message was produced by an "out-of-office" auto-responder. I suspect > we'll be getting one of these every day until Ross gets back from vacation > (unless Jay temporarily unsubscribes him ;) That shouldn't be necessary. Any half-decent autoresponder will keep track of who it has responded to, and not send any more after the first, to any given correspondent. Mind you, any half-decent autoresponder will not append the entire message it's responding to :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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New and Improved Vintage Computer Festival Link Library

by vcf＠siconic.com

I've completely re-engineered and improved the VCF Link Library: http://www.vintage.org/links.php It's a bit easier to navigate and includes more indexes for finding specialized links or sections of links. In the future I'll also add a localized search feature. In the meantime, I want to focus on adding more links and culling the dead links that are currently in the database. So, if you've got a vintage computing website you'd like to promote and it isn't already listed, add it to the Library by going here: http://www.vintage.org/addlink.php I'll be running a robot to automatically check all the links and flag the ones that are 404 for removal. If someone knows of an already existing tool then please let me know about it. I'm pretty sure my Perl Cookbook has a routine for this. Anyway, I've put a lot of work into the Link Library and think it's a great resource, and I hope you do too. It's also a way to improve your search engine rankings since the VCF is highly ranked itself. Adding a link to your site couldn't hurt. I'm interested in hearing any suggestions for improvements. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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More vintage computing in the news

by evan947＠yahoo.com

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=581&ncid=581&e=3&u=/nm/2003…

22 years, 3 months

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Basic Four Computers

by wlm_phd＠yahoo.com

Hi Merle - I couldn't help but respond to a posting that I saw. I'm amazed that these computers are still around. This just brings up all kinds of memories. I was one of the original development engineers at Basic Four from 1973 through 1978. I wrote all the firmware for the 1300 CPU which was an enhanced emulation of the 1200 that we bought from (I think) Microdata, in addition to almost every peripheral diagnostic, most of the drivers and a big hunk of BB2. So, if the computer museum ever needs a little background on the company or products of Basic Four, give me a yell. William L. (Bill) Miller, Ph.D. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing

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cctalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 38 ( -Reply)

by RDykes＠scu.edu

Thank you for your message. I will be out of the office until Jan. 5th, 2004. If you require immediate assistance, please e-mail Mostafa El-Kassed at melkassed(a)scu.edu. Sincerely, Ross E. Dykes Student Technology Services Manager Santa Clara University Information Technology Voice: 408-554-5747 >>> cctalk 12/18/03 10:06 >>> Send cctalk mailing list submissions to cctalk(a)classiccmp.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org You can reach the person managing the list at cctalk-owner(a)classiccmp.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of cctalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: shipping help from UK (Joe) 2. Re: shipping help from UK (Mike) 3. Re: OT: I never knew... (Ron Hudson) 4. OT - any C programmers out there? (Ron Hudson) 5. HP 9000 Series Configuration Reference Manual (Joe) 6. RE: OT: I never knew... (Fred Cisin) 7. Re: shipping help from UK (Tony Duell) 8. RE: OT: I never knew... (Davison, Lee) 9. Re: shipping help from UK (Tony Duell) 10. Re: OT: Google PI, I never knew... (Fred Cisin) 11. hp 21mx E on ebay (question/comment) (Jay West) 12. Re: More on building PDP-11s (Tony Duell) 13. So I've finally got it... (Patrick Finnegan) 14. Re: So I've finally got it... (R. D. Davis) 15. Ann: D8TAPE -- unix program to dump/disassemble PDP-8 BIN/RIM formatted paper tapes (Robert Krten) 16. Re: In need of a dumb part... (Mike Ford) 17. Re: FTGH DEC Cables. (UK) (Dan Williams) 18. Re: OT: I never knew... (Christopher McNabb) 19. Re: OT: I never knew... (Ed Tillman) 20. Re: OT: I never knew... (Jules Richardson) 21. New Research Machines finds (Jules Richardson) 22. RE: OT: I never knew... (chris) 23. Re: D8TAPE -- unix program to dump/disassemble PDP-8 BIN/RIMformatted paper tapes (vrs) 24. RE: New Research Machines finds (Witchy) 25. Re: OT: I never knew... (Marvin Johnston) 26. RE: New Research Machines finds (Jules Richardson) 27. Viking disk controller on Ebay (Christopher Cureau) 28. Re: D8TAPE -- unix program to dump/disassemble PDP-8 (Robert Krten) 29. Basic Four Computers (William Miller) 30. Re: New Research Machines finds (Dan Williams) 31. Free to a good home... (Cambridge UK) (Jules Richardson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:25:03 -0500 From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: shipping help from UK To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031217222503.007a7100(a)pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:15 PM 12/17/03 -0500, Mike wrote: >From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> > >> On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Joe wrote: >> >> > PS I just threw an 11/05 into storage today. After your's arrives I'd >> > like to compare notes with you about them. >> >> I've got one too. >> >> -- >> >> Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer >Festival > > >Hey me too. I think it originally came from Joe in a trade for several >hp5036s long ago. It had the m7261 board and two sets of g110 , g231, h213 >core memory. It was missing the other half of the processor, the m7260. I >bought a 60, 61 board set off ebay some time back so I might have a spare >61. I think that leaves one slot available in the 11/05 and I'm hoping a >rx02 controller and 8" drives out of my 11/44 will work. (?) No, that's an 11/04 and I GAVE it to you :-/ Joe ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:37:13 -0500 From: "Mike" <dogas(a)bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: shipping help from UK To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <000701c3c518$3a992d70$88db3fd0@DOMAIN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > > > > > >Hey me too. I think it originally came from Joe in a trade for several > >hp5036s long ago. It had the m7261 board and two sets of g110 , g231, h213 > >core memory. It was missing the other half of the processor, the m7260. I > >bought a 60, 61 board set off ebay some time back so I might have a spare > >61. I think that leaves one slot available in the 11/05 and I'm hoping a > >rx02 controller and 8" drives out of my 11/44 will work. (?) > > No, that's an 11/04 and I GAVE it to you :-/ > > Joe > Nope, You''re not remembering back far enough. it was an 11/05 earlier. You did give me a filled LSI-11 card cage in that *big* pile later that might be the 11/04 your thinking about (although I thought it was 11/03 ish) otherwise you must be thinking of someone else. No 11/04s here but definately an 11/05 and 11/44 among too many others. ;) - Mike ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:52:23 -0600 From: Ron Hudson <ron.hudson(a)sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: OT: I never knew... To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <9675FE24-310D-11D8-8167-000393C5A0B6(a)sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 08:12 PM, Davison, Lee wrote: > >> Arrgh Dislexia again! > > Shouldn't that be dyslexia ? probably :^) > > DARFC, > Lee. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The > service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive > anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: > http://www.star.net.uk > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:15:40 -0600 From: Ron Hudson <ron.hudson(a)sbcglobal.net> Subject: OT - any C programmers out there? To: Classic Computers <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <D7019474-3110-11D8-8167-000393C5A0B6(a)sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I am having a problem with sscanf and a record with mixed numbers and strings. If you can help, please email off list rhudson(a)sbcglobal.net ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:30:58 -0500 From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> Subject: HP 9000 Series Configuration Reference Manual To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031217223058.00806520(a)pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey if anyone is interested in the HP 9000 Series 200 and 300s you NEED this book. This book lists ALL of the cards and peripherals can be used on the systems and explains how to configure many of them. You don't see this manual very often and it's dammed handy to have! <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2581298787&category=1504> Joe ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:32:56 -0800 (PST) From: Fred Cisin <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> Subject: RE: OT: I never knew... To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <20031217203147.M28805(a)newshell.lmi.net> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Arrgh Dislexia again! > Shouldn't that be dyslexia ? lysdexia DYSLEXICS UNTIE! ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:39:48 +0000 (GMT) From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Subject: Re: shipping help from UK To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <m1AWmCl-000J1UC@p850ug1> Content-Type: text/plain > No, but you could ship the PSU in a separate box. (I don't know how easy > it comes out). That's what I did with the Lisa. The PSU does come out, but it's not totally trivial. IIRC, you have to remove the PSU PSB from the PSU chassis (a number of screws) in order to reach some of the connectors (mate-n-lock in-line things). Then you can remove the PSU chassis complete with the (heavy) mains transformer. -tony ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:49:07 -0000 From: "Davison, Lee" <Lee.Davison(a)merlincommunications.com> Subject: RE: OT: I never knew... To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <8B39793544120140B253EFE052E7ED0A0171DD0E@nbulif015> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> Arrgh Dislexia again! >> Shouldn't that be dyslexia ? > lysdexia > DYSLEXICS UNTIE! Making fun of dyslexics is neither clever or furry! ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:48:05 +0000 (GMT) From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Subject: Re: shipping help from UK To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <m1AWq52-000J1UC@p850ug1> Content-Type: text/plain > Hey me too. I think it originally came from Joe in a trade for several > hp5036s long ago. It had the m7261 board and two sets of g110 , g231, h213 > core memory. It was missing the other half of the processor, the m7260. I > bought a 60, 61 board set off ebay some time back so I might have a spare > 61. I think that leaves one slot available in the 11/05 and I'm hoping a > rx02 controller and 8" drives out of my 11/44 will work. (?) Certainly should do. That spare slot is a standard SPC device slot. Of course you'll have to cut the NPG jumper on the back of the backplane if you put an RX211 in there. -tony ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:54:46 -0800 (PST) From: Fred Cisin <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> Subject: Re: OT: Google PI, I never knew... To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <20031217205107.E28805(a)newshell.lmi.net> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII By now, you all know what happens if you search "miserable failure" in Google. But, if you go to www.pi.nersc.gov neither "miserable", NOR "failure" occur in the first 4 billion bits of PI. Although "google" does, as does "pi" and "cctalk" ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:55:03 -0600 From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: hp 21mx E on ebay (question/comment) To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <000701c3c523$19d4f5a0$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I looked a while ago at the HP 21MX E series on ebay. Just now happened to come across it again at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2772816038&category=1247 The unit says 21MX-E on the front, and also clearly says "E series computer". However, the tag on the back says 2112A, which was an M series machine. Odd. But further still... the keyswitch has positions operate, standby, R, and lock. This was indicative of M series machines I thought. True enough, M series were often upgraded to E series via a motherboard upgrade. But the rotary key switch is obviously still connected. And from what I've seen, M series upgraded to E they generally didn't take the time to upgrade the front panel silkscreen. I'm betting it's an M series. Or maybe an M that was very completely upgraded to an E. Anyone have thoughts on this? Regards, Jay West ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:51:38 +0000 (GMT) From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Subject: Re: More on building PDP-11s To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <m1AWq8U-000J1UC@p850ug1> Content-Type: text/plain > Yes, well, it's also possible to use Unibus memory on an 11/70, but > you have to set jumpers on one of the CPU cards. The Unibus memory will > not be cached, nor will the RH70 Massbus adapters be able to access > it. You are limited to 124K words of memory on the Unibus. On the 11/45 that's all the memory the machine can address, and yes, you can have it all on the Unibus. On the 11/70, that's only a small fraction of the address space. It seems perverse to have a CPU capable of 22 bit addressing, and with fast Massbus interfaces, and then cripple it like this! I suspect you can use Unibus memory on the 11/44 too, with similar restrictions. -tony ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:34:21 -0500 From: Patrick Finnegan <pat(a)computer-refuge.org> Subject: So I've finally got it... To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <200312180034.21984.pat(a)computer-refuge.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I know this is OT by a couple years, but I hope you all don't mind too much ; ) After a few weeks of calling people, renting a uhaul, building a ramp, pinning myself in a closet for a while, and nearly causing much damage to my apartment, I now have what has been a dream/goal in my life: There's a Mainframe sitting in my living room. Not just any mainframe, but a nice black S/390 G3 (9672-RC4). It's got a 1996 list price that rivals the prices of houses in SoCal, and it's managed to depreciate to about 0.2% of its list price in around 7 years. And, with 2GB ram, it's got more memory on its processor than I do in my fairly fast/ capable (very OT) PC... Of course, it's configured for 3phase 200-480VAC (well, that's what it's marked on the power supplies... I'm fairly suprised that they can have that much variance)... but I've managed to get it to spin its fans and power its "Support Element" laptop with single-phase 240VAC - using the old "tie together two of the input phases to one leg of the power line" trick. I've still got to fix how the wiring job is on that is done... currently a ball of electrical tape, I'd like to stick the proper plugs back on it and get some proper outlets (which hopefully will be less than $50 apiece); that'll also let me power both the front AND back power supplies on the sucker. So, I've got the laptop booting, and the fans spinning on the S/390, but none of the boards are powered up yet.. and it's asking for a username/ password to log into the "SE" application it has, which I'm willing to bet is what will let me power up and IPL (boot) my new toy. Of course, it doesn't have DASD (disks)... something will need to be worked on for that, but it can probably come later... I'm hoping on using 'a UNIX look-alike' on it for now, and am hoping I'll be able to get the kernel booted without using DASD to boot it from. I'd have to install it from somewhere, anyway, right? Well, If anyone knows info to help me get into the SE or HMC, drop me a line, I'd be interested in learning : ). For now, I'm trying to contact the people I got it from for the info, but I'm not anticipating much luck on that front. For the rest of you, I've got some eye candy that's where I plan to put information about this thing once I get farther along with it.. http://computer-refuge.org/s390/ Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: 18 Dec 2003 01:36:14 -0500 From: "R. D. Davis" <rdd(a)rddavis.org> Subject: Re: So I've finally got it... To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <20031218063614.GE280(a)rhiannon.rddavis.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Quothe Patrick Finnegan, from writings of Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:34:21AM -0500: > I know this is OT by a couple years, but I hope you all don't mind too > much ; ) Nah... nice find! > There's a Mainframe sitting in my living room. Not just any mainframe, > but a nice black S/390 G3 (9672-RC4). It's got a 1996 list price that > rivals the prices of houses in SoCal, and it's managed to depreciate to Congratulations! Now all you need to do is find a little bit more space for the immortal power supply (diesel generator and appropriately sized battery-backed UPS) to go with it. :-) Have fun! > about 0.2% of its list price in around 7 years. And, with 2GB ram, > it's got more memory on its processor than I do in my fairly fast/ > capable (very OT) PC... Wow, twice the amount of RAM in my SparcServer 1000 (since we're mentioning off-topic computer systems) :-) -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:11:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert Krten" <root(a)parse.com> Subject: Ann: D8TAPE -- unix program to dump/disassemble PDP-8 BIN/RIM formatted paper tapes To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <200312180211.VAA09013(a)parse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just released: d8tape This program takes a BIN or RIM formatted paper tape binary file and disassembles it. It features the documentation for the BIN and RIM paper tape formats as source code comments, along with the documentation for the 8/I and 8/L IOTs (which it also decodes). Released as "free for non-commercial" license. Comments, bug reports, feature requests welcome. See: http://www.parse.com/~museum/pdp8/software/index.html Cheers, -RK -- Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices +1 613 599 8316. Realtime Systems Architecture, Consulting, Books and Training at www.parse.com Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 minicomputers! ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:35:11 -0800 From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> Subject: Re: In need of a dumb part... To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031218003321.031359d0(a)pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >IF anybody does have a PS/2 isa mouse card please let me know would really >like one so my 386 can use the mouse on my kvm (have too many mice on my >desk as it is. I've seen plenty of cards that have a PS/2 mouse looking connection on them, ie MS Mouse cards, is that what is being looked for? ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:04:49 +0000 From: Dan Williams <dan_williams(a)ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: FTGH DEC Cables. (UK) To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3FE189D1.1050402(a)ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Rob O'Donnell wrote: > Hi. > > I've had these kicking about for a while, and I'm sure someone out > there can use them; I know I can't. I picked them up in a factory > that a customer had taken over. Going off the labels on the sockets, > they had a microvax, so I presume these were for that. > > A multiway cable, big centronics style connector, with eight cables > terminating in RJ45s, P/N BN26R-03 (or so it says on the plug) > > Two circuit boards, corresponding centronics style socket, and eight > RJ45 sockets. marked 5022364-01B1T1 5422365 L1 H3117MA > and 5022364-01 B1 5422365 L1 H3117MA. > > Pic at http://www.irrelevant.com/pics/deccable.jpg > > Free to good home (or first person to ask, anyway) just pay shipping; > I'm in the UK, and package weighs a bit under 750g. > > regards > > Rob. > > > Am I too late or have these gone already ? Dan ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:09:17 -0500 From: Christopher McNabb <cmcnabb(a)4mcnabb.net> Subject: Re: OT: I never knew... To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3FE18ADD.5050201(a)4mcnabb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Davison, Lee wrote: > Making fun of dyslexics is neither clever or furry! > That is the message being put out by DAM (Mothers Against Dyslexia) ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:24:12 -0600 From: Ed Tillman <ETILLMAN(a)satx.rr.com> Subject: Re: OT: I never knew... To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3FE1B88C.6020501(a)satx.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Davison, Lee wrote: >>>>Arrgh Dislexia again! >>>> >>>> >>>Shouldn't that be dyslexia ? >>> >>> > > > >>lysdexia >> >> > > > >>DYSLEXICS UNTIE! >> >> > >Making fun of dyslexics is neither clever or furry! > > > > Wyh nto?! I have to fight with this daily, and have had to for 50 years... If I can't laugh at it, then what good is it? > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ >This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The >service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive >anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: >http://www.star.net.uk >________________________________________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: 18 Dec 2003 12:37:39 +0000 From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: OT: I never knew... To: "General Discussion: "On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <1071751058.14556.77.camel(a)weka.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain > > On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Ron Hudson wrote: > >> Google thinks 335 / 113 = 2.96460177 > > Arrgh Dislexia again! > > > > > but it thinks that 355/113 is 3.14159292 OK I totally missed the typo, thinking that you were implying that Google treats the spaces as significant and interprets them as numerical vaules :-) umm, values too... dyslexia here too today... J. ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: 18 Dec 2003 12:45:43 +0000 From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk> Subject: New Research Machines finds To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <1071751543.14556.86.camel(a)weka.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Couple of new Research Machines finds just turned up: A 380Z in great condition, with the added bonus that it came with all the manuals. Quick look inside shows it to be pretty stock, except that I was told it had some sort of silicon disk option fitted. It does look to have a memory-type board hooked up to the bus that I wasn't expecting. Currently drying out prior to strip-down and checking as it had to overnight in the car... An RM NB300 laptop. Bet there aren't many of those about (I confess to not even knowing that RM made a laptop until the guy I got the 380Z from suddenly remembered that he had it!). Looks to be fairly standard stuff inside - Conner crap-o-matic 40MB IDE drive, 386 cpu, 4MB RAM etc. but probably a quite nice spec for the time. The internal keyboard cable (one of those flat ribbons) is snapped - anyone know of a UK source for them? Othwise I'll just have to keep an eye out for replacements in broken laptops... Oh, I also got various bits of software for both machines - system disks, Windows 1.0 for the laptop etc. cheers Jules ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:22:22 -0500 From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net> Subject: RE: OT: I never knew... To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts " <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <S.0000293682(a)mythtech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> Arrgh Dislexia again! > >Shouldn't that be dyslexia ? D is for Lysdexia ! -chris <http://www.mythtech.net> ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:58:11 -0800 From: "vrs" <vrs(a)msn.com> Subject: Re: D8TAPE -- unix program to dump/disassemble PDP-8 BIN/RIMformatted paper tapes To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV99Jv3zOdnjQ0000086c(a)hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Just released: d8tape > > This program takes a BIN or RIM formatted paper tape binary file and disassembles > it. It features the documentation for the BIN and RIM paper tape formats as source > code comments, along with the documentation for the 8/I and 8/L IOTs (which it also > decodes). Released as "free for non-commercial" license. > > Comments, bug reports, feature requests welcome. > > See: http://www.parse.com/~museum/pdp8/software/index.html Hey, I did one of these (in Perl), too! I used it to reverse engineer sources for various versions of Focal. I also have a perverse version that "disassembles" to x86 assembly, which then links to a support module to help emulate the IOTs. Your stuff gets published, though :-)! Thanks! Vince ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:35:17 -0000 From: "Witchy" <witchy(a)binarydinosaurs.co.uk> Subject: RE: New Research Machines finds To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <EAELLACDNKNOEIOECBEEEEDNEFAA.witchy(a)binarydinosaurs.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jules Richardson > Sent: 18 December 2003 12:46 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: New Research Machines finds > > > Couple of new Research Machines finds just turned up: > > A 380Z in great condition, with the added bonus that it came with all > the manuals. Quick look inside shows it to be pretty stock, except that > I was told it had some sort of silicon disk option fitted. It does look > to have a memory-type board hooked up to the bus that I wasn't Swine :o) -- adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:54:17 -0800 From: Marvin Johnston <marvin(a)rain.org> Subject: Re: OT: I never knew... To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3FE1CDA9.A9CF4083(a)rain.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dam - Mothers Against Dyslexia Ed Tillman wrote: > > Davison, Lee wrote: > > >>>>Arrgh Dislexia again! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Shouldn't that be dyslexia ? > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > >>lysdexia > >> > >> > > > > > > > >>DYSLEXICS UNTIE! > >> > >> > > > >Making fun of dyslexics is neither clever or furry! > > > > > > > > > Wyh nto?! I have to fight with this daily, and have had to for 50 > years... If I can't laugh at it, then what good is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The > >service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive > >anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: > >http://www.star.net.uk > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: 18 Dec 2003 16:06:51 +0000 From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk> Subject: RE: New Research Machines finds To: witchy(a)binarydinosaurs.co.uk, "General Discussion: "On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <1071763610.14557.94.camel(a)weka.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 15:35, Witchy wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org > > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jules Richardson Hmmm... something very odd be happening with my email, I need to go pick the server apart I think... > > Couple of new Research Machines finds just turned up: > > > > A 380Z in great condition, with the added bonus that it came with all > > the manuals. Quick look inside shows it to be pretty stock, except that > > I was told it had some sort of silicon disk option fitted. It does look > > to have a memory-type board hooked up to the bus that I wasn't > > Swine :o) Heh heh :p It's not boxed though... although I must ask the person who I got it >from if he has the box. I know he has some more RM stuff at an old office but I think it's all Nimbus-era equipment. Nice to have the proper manuals for the 380Z though - and they're from that era of real computing, meaning that all the schematics etc. come with them :) Will hopefully check it out this evening and see if it fires up. cheers Jules ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:59:20 -0600 From: "Christopher Cureau" <chrisc(a)addpower.com> Subject: Viking disk controller on Ebay To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <OF87A1DC00.A305D3CD-ON86256E00.005D1DC0(a)addpower.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone have information on this controller? Does it do MSCP emulation? I want SCSI, but I don't want to get something that won't be compatible with 2.11BSD or the like... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2772733938&category=1247 ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:22:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert Krten" <root(a)parse.com> Subject: Re: D8TAPE -- unix program to dump/disassemble PDP-8 To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <200312181622.LAA04062(a)parse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii vrs sez... > > > Just released: d8tape > > > > This program takes a BIN or RIM formatted paper tape binary file and > disassembles > > it. It features the documentation for the BIN and RIM paper tape formats > as source > > code comments, along with the documentation for the 8/I and 8/L IOTs > (which it also > > decodes). Released as "free for non-commercial" license. > > > > Comments, bug reports, feature requests welcome. > > > > See: http://www.parse.com/~museum/pdp8/software/index.html > > Hey, I did one of these (in Perl), too! I used it to reverse engineer > sources for various versions of Focal. I also have a perverse version that > "disassembles" to x86 assembly, which then links to a support module to help > emulate the IOTs. > > Your stuff gets published, though :-)! :-) A new feature that I'm working on now is the ability to convert RIM -> BIN or vice versa, as well as a RIM -> RIM and BIN -> BIN "cleanup" phase that trims off excess pre-header and post-trailer stuff. Look for it at a website near you soon! :-) Cheers, -RK -- Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices +1 613 599 8316. Realtime Systems Architecture, Consulting, Books and Training at www.parse.com Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 minicomputers! ------------------------------ Message: 29 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:46:16 -0800 (PST) From: William Miller <wlm_phd(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Basic Four Computers To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <20031218164616.11909.qmail(a)web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Merle - I couldn't help but respond to a posting that I saw. I'm amazed that these computers are still around. This just brings up all kinds of memories. I was one of the original development engineers at Basic Four from 1973 through 1978. I wrote all the firmware for the 1300 CPU which was an enhanced emulation of the 1200 that we bought from (I think) Microdata, in addition to almost every peripheral diagnostic, most of the drivers and a big hunk of BB2. So, if the computer museum ever needs a little background on the company or products of Basic Four, give me a yell. William L. (Bill) Miller, Ph.D. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharingFrom cctalk-admin Thu Dec 18 11:40:26 2003 Received: from rachors.com (w179.z208177163.sea-wa.dsl.cnc.net [208.177.163.179]) by huey.classiccmp.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBIHePiR094579 for <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:40:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from george(a)rachors.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.rt.rain.com [127.0.0.1]) by rachors.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id hBIHLBU74681 for <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:21:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from george(a)rachors.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:21:11 -0800 (PST) From: "George Leo Rachor Jr." <george(a)rachors.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> In-Reply-To: <20031215212530.GR2585(a)rhiannon.rddavis.org> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0312180920220.74641-100000(a)rachors.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Gould Biomation K-105D Logic Analyzer Available X-BeenThere: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> List-Id: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk.classiccmp.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk>, <mailto:cctalk-request@classiccmp.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk> List-Post: <mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> List-Help: <mailto:cctalk-request@classiccmp.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk>, <mailto:cctalk-request@classiccmp.org?subject=subscribe> As one who ended up with 2 I can tell you that Pods are hard to come by. Where is this one located? George Rachor ========================================================= George L. Rachor Jr. george(a)rachors.com Hillsboro, Oregon http://rachors.com United States of America Amateur Radio : KD7DCX On 15 Dec 2003, R. D. Davis wrote: > Is there anyone on this list who is looking for a spare Gould > Biomation K-105D logic analyzer? This one appears to be rather nice, > but it has no pods or probes. It did power up and pass self-tests the > last time that I checked it. Trades are welcome. > > -- > Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: > All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & > rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such > http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. > ------------------------------ Message: 30 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:38:41 +0000 From: Dan Williams <dan_williams(a)ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: New Research Machines finds To: witchy(a)binarydinosaurs.co.uk, General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3FE1E621.3030407(a)ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Witchy wrote: >>-----Original Message----- >>From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org >>[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jules Richardson >>Sent: 18 December 2003 12:46 >>To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >>Subject: New Research Machines finds >> >> >>Couple of new Research Machines finds just turned up: >> >>A 380Z in great condition, with the added bonus that it came with all >>the manuals. Quick look inside shows it to be pretty stock, except that >>I was told it had some sort of silicon disk option fitted. It does look >>to have a memory-type board hooked up to the bus that I wasn't >> >> > > > I had up until about 5 years ago two of these, with all original 8" software disks, double 8" drive and two external winchester drives. The external winchesters where big mfm disks with a convertor board to scsi or sasi I can't remember. They are great looking machines with a BIG reset button and keyswitch. I wish I hadn't given them away. One of them still had all the server software on it to boot a network of 30 odd 480z machines which it did with ease until they replaced it with a nimbus server. On another note does anyone still have a nimbus with c-dos and the 480z network software installed on it. I have very fond memories of these >from school. I can remember when they replaced all the 480z's with nimbus's (nimbi ?). They had a few 286's when I left which I believe where around the ?2000 mark then. I know the borough I lived in (Bromley) used almost exclusivly RM machines was that the same everywhere in the UK. Dan ------------------------------ Message: 31 Date: 18 Dec 2003 17:25:32 +0000 From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Free to a good home... (Cambridge UK) To: "General Discussion: "On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <1071768332.14557.138.camel(a)weka.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain I'm planning a minor clear-out, so just seeing if there's any initial interest in the following: Machines, (currently half-buried in storage) Commodore 16 (I haven't yet found where I've put the PSU!) Memotech MTX 500 + PSU Commodore Vic 20, games, welcome pack, tape deck, joystick etc. I'll dig them out properly and make sure they still power up ok if someone wants them. Printers (currently very buried in storage :-) Canon PW1080A standard dot matrix thingy DEC LQP02 wide-carriage daisywheel TI Omni 800 - 820 RO terminal (wide carriage) I have vague memories of the Canon and the TI working before I shoved them in the store room years ago. Can't remember when it comes to the DEC (or where on earth I got it!) Odds and ends: A Ferranti IBM XT clone / approximation. From memory: 8bit ISA bus, plus a couple of non-standard slots, uses an 8086 CPU, two seperate PSUs. Lots of ULA logic. I have a spare board set for it too. Never got it to boot - not sure what version of DOS it requires. DEC Rainbow 100 system board, case lid, and I think I have a PSU kicking around too. Kept around as spares for my working 'bow, but I think I'd rather have the space the bits take up. The Philips P3800 mini that I've mentioned on here before - power supply certainly is hosed. I just don't know when I'm ever going to get the time to try and sort it out, and it's a bit too bulky to justify hanging onto it. Hence it's going to have to go to the scrap if I can't find a home for it soon :-( I may have either a Mac II or a Mac IIcx free soon too, when I decide which one I want to part with :-) There may be other stuff as and when I unearth it... I'm not much of a shipping fan I'm afraid so really want someone to pick anything they want up - as well as Cambridge I get over Milton Keynes way every so often too. cheers Jules End of cctalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 38 *************************************

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shipping help from UK

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I'm looking at getting a cpu shipped to me from the UK. I checked UPS and it says 40 pounds, 30x20x10 inches, would be about $106 to ship to me in US, 63146. I've never shipped anything from UK to US before - can anyone advise if there is a better carrier, things to look out for, etc. I'd appreciate any advice. Normally I wouldn't go to so much trouble, but it's a older PDP-11 that would particularly round out my collection :) Jay --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

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Free to a good home... (Cambridge UK)

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

I'm planning a minor clear-out, so just seeing if there's any initial interest in the following: Machines, (currently half-buried in storage) Commodore 16 (I haven't yet found where I've put the PSU!) Memotech MTX 500 + PSU Commodore Vic 20, games, welcome pack, tape deck, joystick etc. I'll dig them out properly and make sure they still power up ok if someone wants them. Printers (currently very buried in storage :-) Canon PW1080A standard dot matrix thingy DEC LQP02 wide-carriage daisywheel TI Omni 800 - 820 RO terminal (wide carriage) I have vague memories of the Canon and the TI working before I shoved them in the store room years ago. Can't remember when it comes to the DEC (or where on earth I got it!) Odds and ends: A Ferranti IBM XT clone / approximation. From memory: 8bit ISA bus, plus a couple of non-standard slots, uses an 8086 CPU, two seperate PSUs. Lots of ULA logic. I have a spare board set for it too. Never got it to boot - not sure what version of DOS it requires. DEC Rainbow 100 system board, case lid, and I think I have a PSU kicking around too. Kept around as spares for my working 'bow, but I think I'd rather have the space the bits take up. The Philips P3800 mini that I've mentioned on here before - power supply certainly is hosed. I just don't know when I'm ever going to get the time to try and sort it out, and it's a bit too bulky to justify hanging onto it. Hence it's going to have to go to the scrap if I can't find a home for it soon :-( I may have either a Mac II or a Mac IIcx free soon too, when I decide which one I want to part with :-) There may be other stuff as and when I unearth it... I'm not much of a shipping fan I'm afraid so really want someone to pick anything they want up - as well as Cambridge I get over Milton Keynes way every so often too. cheers Jules

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Ann: D8TAPE -- unix program to dump/disassemble PDP-8 BIN/RIM formatted paper tapes

by root＠parse.com

Just released: d8tape This program takes a BIN or RIM formatted paper tape binary file and disassembles it. It features the documentation for the BIN and RIM paper tape formats as source code comments, along with the documentation for the 8/I and 8/L IOTs (which it also decodes). Released as "free for non-commercial" license. Comments, bug reports, feature requests welcome. See: http://www.parse.com/~museum/pdp8/software/index.html Cheers, -RK -- Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices +1 613 599 8316. Realtime Systems Architecture, Consulting, Books and Training at www.parse.com Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 minicomputers!

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OT: I never knew...

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

>>> Arrgh Dislexia again! >> Shouldn't that be dyslexia ? > lysdexia > DYSLEXICS UNTIE! Making fun of dyslexics is neither clever or furry! ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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OT: I never knew...

by cb＠mythtech.net

>> Arrgh Dislexia again! > >Shouldn't that be dyslexia ? D is for Lysdexia ! -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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OT: I never knew...

by patrick＠evocative.com

Somebody just showed me "Google calculator". Go to google and enter any of the following: 0xf342 - 54 38891 in octal 10kg * 4m/s^2 26tbsp I guess I can throw away my 27S now. :-) --Patrick

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FTGH DEC Cables. (UK)

by classiccmp.org＠irrelevant.fsnet.co.uk

Hi. I've had these kicking about for a while, and I'm sure someone out there can use them; I know I can't. I picked them up in a factory that a customer had taken over. Going off the labels on the sockets, they had a microvax, so I presume these were for that. A multiway cable, big centronics style connector, with eight cables terminating in RJ45s, P/N BN26R-03 (or so it says on the plug) Two circuit boards, corresponding centronics style socket, and eight RJ45 sockets. marked 5022364-01B1T1 5422365 L1 H3117MA and 5022364-01 B1 5422365 L1 H3117MA. Pic at http://www.irrelevant.com/pics/deccable.jpg Free to good home (or first person to ask, anyway) just pay shipping; I'm in the UK, and package weighs a bit under 750g. regards Rob.

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So I've finally got it...

by pat＠computer-refuge.org

I know this is OT by a couple years, but I hope you all don't mind too much ; ) After a few weeks of calling people, renting a uhaul, building a ramp, pinning myself in a closet for a while, and nearly causing much damage to my apartment, I now have what has been a dream/goal in my life: There's a Mainframe sitting in my living room. Not just any mainframe, but a nice black S/390 G3 (9672-RC4). It's got a 1996 list price that rivals the prices of houses in SoCal, and it's managed to depreciate to about 0.2% of its list price in around 7 years. And, with 2GB ram, it's got more memory on its processor than I do in my fairly fast/ capable (very OT) PC... Of course, it's configured for 3phase 200-480VAC (well, that's what it's marked on the power supplies... I'm fairly suprised that they can have that much variance)... but I've managed to get it to spin its fans and power its "Support Element" laptop with single-phase 240VAC - using the old "tie together two of the input phases to one leg of the power line" trick. I've still got to fix how the wiring job is on that is done... currently a ball of electrical tape, I'd like to stick the proper plugs back on it and get some proper outlets (which hopefully will be less than $50 apiece); that'll also let me power both the front AND back power supplies on the sucker. So, I've got the laptop booting, and the fans spinning on the S/390, but none of the boards are powered up yet.. and it's asking for a username/ password to log into the "SE" application it has, which I'm willing to bet is what will let me power up and IPL (boot) my new toy. Of course, it doesn't have DASD (disks)... something will need to be worked on for that, but it can probably come later... I'm hoping on using 'a UNIX look-alike' on it for now, and am hoping I'll be able to get the kernel booted without using DASD to boot it from. I'd have to install it from somewhere, anyway, right? Well, If anyone knows info to help me get into the SE or HMC, drop me a line, I'd be interested in learning : ). For now, I'm trying to contact the people I got it from for the info, but I'm not anticipating much luck on that front. For the rest of you, I've got some eye candy that's where I plan to put information about this thing once I get farther along with it.. http://computer-refuge.org/s390/ Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/

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ADF scanners for cheap

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here's a line of ADF scanners that seem pretty reasonably priced with decent performance and specs: http://www.visioneer.com/ -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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OT: I never knew...

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> Arrgh Dislexia again! Shouldn't that be dyslexia ? DARFC, Lee. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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OT - any C programmers out there?

by ron.hudson＠sbcglobal.net

I am having a problem with sscanf and a record with mixed numbers and strings. If you can help, please email off list rhudson(a)sbcglobal.net

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OT: I never knew...

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi There was a talk at our last svfig ( Silicon Valley Forth Interest Group ) about how to find the interesting integer ratios ( like 355/113 ). Although, one can simply try all kinds of numbers ( quite quick on todays processors ), there are algorithms based on number theory that are faster. I wish I was paying more attention so I could pass on what was done. The talk was based on creating speciallized languages to handle these interesting problems of LSD's ( Least Common Denominator ). The fellow that gave the talk was named LaFarr. Forth is especially adapt at creating application oriented languages. I fact that is the way one normally programs in Forth, once they know what they are doing. Dwight >From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > >At 02:43 PM 12/17/03 -0800, you wrote: >>On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Patrick Rigney wrote: >>> Somebody just showed me "Google calculator". Go to google and enter any of >>> the following: >>> 0xf342 - 54 >>> 38891 in octal >>> 10kg * 4m/s^2 >>> 26tbsp >>> I guess I can throw away my 27S now. :-) --Patrick >> >>Their "complete instructions" suck. They don't even list all of the >>operators! (such as your use above of "in octal". >> >>OK, >>what is the IEEE floating point representation of PI? >>"3.1.459 in binary" does NOT work. > > I don't know but 355/113 is easy to remember and is accuarate to about 6 >places. That's what we used to use on computer languages that didn't have >PI predefined. (Boy I'm dating myself!) > > Joe >> >> >> >> >> > >

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Macintosh security lock

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Do you remember the name of the manufacturer or company that sold them? I'm sure the kit I bought was from Kensington. I know they sell (or sold) these kits, and have (had) ones for the Powerbooks. For those it was a little cynlinder with a finger on the end. You slipped the finger into the security hole, then when you turned the key, it spun the finger behind the plastic of the case, latching the cylinder to the powerbook. Then the cable would be fed thru the cylinder (or was maybe preattached, I don't recall), and the cable was secured to some other item to keep it from being moved (desk, cinderblock, really really big dog...) I also recall a different laptop security product. It was a stick on alarm that was motion sensitive. It had a keypad on the top to type in your code to deactivate it. The idea was it glued to the powerbook, so you could put the powerbook down on a desk, turn the alarm on, and walk away. If anyone moved or touched the powerbook, the alarm would go off. I'm not sure how much use it was. If you could run fast, you could still steal it since it wasn't fixed to any object. You would just run with it beeping (stuff it in a bag full of rags and it would probably silence enough to be able to hide it until the battery died, or you could pry it off the powerbook). I'm pretty sure these only came in a glue on design, and I'm not sure when I first saw one, they might have been after the Portable was retired. So if you need something that is specific to the Portable's security hole, then that didn't help you (but it was a fun read anyway). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Apple Profile hard drive

by appleman272002＠yahoo.com

Hi! do you still have this for sale? And do you have the controller card for it too? Thanks, John --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing

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Macintosh security lock

by cb＠mythtech.net

>I remember seeing ads for video cassettes that did the same sort of thing >... load it into your VCR when unattended, and it'd scream (seem to >remember pictures of big cats??) when moved. I've never seen them for VCRs before, but it doesn't surprise me. I have seen recently similar alarms that you can put on furniture or other items you don't want a pet on, and when it is jiggled or otherwise detects the pet (I think some are infrared detectors), the alarm goes off briefly. I did like the one I saw that was an electric pad. When the pet climbs on the pad, their weight activates it and they get a shock. I'm sure its harmless, but I'm not sure I would want to go shocking my cat on a regular basis (but I have thought about doing the same thing with the screen top to my lizard tank that my cat keeps climbing on and then falling thru). >This is of course when VCRs >cost ?400 (US$700) and not the ?29 (US$49) I've seen them recently... I just paid US $14 for a DVD player for my father for Xmas. He's been complaining he wants one, but I know it won't ever be turned on... so I bought one that was on sale, had a $10 rebate, and I used "Best Buy Bucks" from a McDonalds promotion that I had saved up. When I was done, total cost was $14. (and they asked if I wanted the $30 extended warranty on it!!!) A bit of a price difference from my first DVD player that cost me $500. Of course, I also suspect that my first player will be running happily years from now, when the $14 model has long since died. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Still more cheap junk

by aw288＠osfn.org

Adaptec AHA-1542B SCSI card, untested (I don't own a PeeCee!) - $1 Cutting Edge, Inc. Mac External 3.5 inch drive. Obviously a piece of crap put out by a fly by night company - $2 Let me know off list. Buyer(s) pay shipping from 10512. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

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MJ10048

by hjohnstone＠expressterminals.co.uk

Got 1 here! NPN Darlington + Diode 300/250V 100A 250W B>75 regards Harvey

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OMT MFM 5200 disk controller board

by giles.mascarenhas＠lineone.net

Nico de Jong Can you let me know whether you still have OMTI7250 controller board as I am trying to repair an older version the OMTI 5200. Please email me at giles.mascarenhas(a)lineone.net Thanks Giles Mascarenhas

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Bell & Howell - black Apple - what is it?

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

Just picked-up a nice Bell & Howell computer. It's very nice, and seems to work fine, but I don't know much about the history behind it. I know it's an Apple II Plus in disguise, sold to schools by B&H. Is there anything interesting about it or it's history? Thanks! Steve. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

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Sheet-feed scanners

by aek＠spies.com

what do people recommend for scanning in terms of resolution, format etc? -- 400 - 600 dpi b&w Group 4 FAX encoded TIFFs these can be converted simply to pdf's with Eric Smith's "tumble" program. I've scanned 1 million + pages with this encoding using a Ricoh IS520 double-sided 30ppm scanner at 400dpi. All of the documents at bitsavers.com/pdf are processed this way now. Pages with graphics are scanned as 100-200dpi JPEGS but normally the text requires a bit of contrast enhancement on these pages. tumble handles mixed JPEG and TIFF documents.

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