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by tom_a_sparks＠yahoo.com.au

----- Original Message ----- > At 10:53 PM -0800 12/27/12, Chuck Guzis wrote: >>??Since we're discussing STs, does anyone have a spare ST mouse kicking > around?? I'd like to re-wire one for use on my AT&T 6300. >> >>??--Chuck > > A long time ago (circa 1998) it was possible to buy a mouse that you could use > on either the Amiga or the Atari.? You might look for 3rd party Amiga and Atari > mice. now days it easy to use a modern mouse with an adapter like Micromys V4 Mouse Adapter or Cocolino ps/2 mouse adapter > > Zane >

13 years, 3 months

PALCE and PEEL programming algorithms

by d235j.1＠gmail.com

Hi all, After a ton of digging, I found information about PALCE programming in what looks like a senior project to build a PLD programmer. Unfortunately it's completely in Indonesian, but fortunately it's easy enough to figure out what they're doing and Google Translate. In case anyone is interested, here you go: https://dl.dropbox.com/s/g1r5bgg6ae1nank/PLD%20programming.zip The original source was here: http://dewey.petra.ac.id/jiunkpe_dg_16353.html Annoyingly the redirect you to a viewer that supplies compressed jpegs unless they detect googlebot (I think they do this by IP). Fortunately google caches the PDFs. On a similar note, does anyone have the PEEL programming algorithms? ICT used to have them available here: http://web.archive.org/web/20020827040802/http://ictpld.com/programverify/i… However ICT is long gone. I am missing most of those files. The ones I have can be downloaded here: https:/dl.dropbox.com/s/h93l0cyta4l67ky/PEEL%20programming%20specs%20partial.zip?dl=1 Thanks! --David

13 years, 3 months

Immediate need for Linux System Admin

by sales＠elecplus.com

I have an immediate need for a Linux sys admin, to maintain our 2 in-house servers running Magento and OpenERP. Need someone in the US, please. Linux will be pre-installed, as will SSH. Also need a small amount of PHP coding to fix a few problems with what we already have. One server is for the web server, the other is for the databases. Must have experience doing this, know how to set IP addresses, etc. Must also be familiar with Magento (mySQL) and OpenERP, which runs from Postgres. If you feel qualified, and can be available this weekend, please email me your qualifications and salary requests. The servers are as follows: Brand: DELL Model: PowerEdge 1900 Processor(s): Dual Intel Quad Core 5335 2.0GHz RAM: 16GB DDR-2 5300 FULLY BUFFERED 8 SLOTS FULL Hard drive(s): 3X500GB SATA (RAID5) Optical drive: Combo Drive Operating System: None Power: 800 WATT Form Factor: Tower Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 (830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax AOL IM elcpls _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5991 - Release Date: 12/27/12

13 years, 3 months

My IBM 5150 on YouTube

by terry＠webweavers.co.nz

Something to do in the quiet times between the Xmas pies and the festive cheer: Make a YouTube video on the most classic of my classic computers. The IBM-PC http://youtu.be/Xw5uRmjESMc Terry Stewart (Tez)

13 years, 3 months

CP/M clones & compatible OSes

by lproven＠gmail.com

On 25 August 2012 15:29, Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> wrote: > On 08/23/2012 04:02 PM, Tony Duell wrote: > >> Does a non-CP/M box count? The Tatung Einstein? It runs soemthing called >> XtalDOS which is very CP/M-like (I think most of the calls are the same). > > I think that was true of Torch CP/N too, wasn't it? Which makes me wonder > how common "almost CP/M" variants were... That's a really interesting question, actually, I would say. [Does a bit of Googling] There were, it seems, various Torch Z80 addons for the BBC Micro. The only one I saw or used was a Disk Pack: http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/docs/Torch/Torch_Z80DiscPack.pdf There was a time, when I was about 13 or 14, when I thought that this was about *the* most powerful and desirable computer setup I'd ever seen or heard of. ;?) What I had not appreciated until now was that Torch's version of CP/M was a special one, which ran from ROM. That is apparently why they called it CPN instead. There was also a standalone 2nd processor, no disk drives: http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/8bit_Upgrades/Torch_Z802ndproc.html There's a user manual for a CPN system here: http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/docs/Torch/Torch_ZDPUG.pdf It contains a little non-technical info: ? the TORCH CPN operating system, (a 16K ROM containing a CP/M compatible "look alike") ? ? INTRODUCTION The TORCH CPN operating system which is a CP/M "look alike" has much more flexibility than conventional CP/M. It has more "built in" commands and is easier to use. The most significant advantage of the TORCH CPN operating system, is that it is stored in ROM (Read Only Memory) rather than on disc. This means that on "power up" the TORCH disc pack and BBC micro are automatically ready to accept instructions typed in at the keyboard. ? Another CP/M compatible OS I was aware of was Pro-DOS for the MGT SAM Coup?: http://www.samcoupe-pro-dos.co.uk/whatisprodos.html ? What is Pro-DOS? Pro-DOS could be thought of as a Disk Operating System (DOS), However, it is more than this, it is a full Operating System that Provides compatibility with CP/M 2.2. In simple terms this means that a whole world of software that was designed to run under CP/M 2.2. will now run on the SAM Coup?. Pro-DOS uses the same Disk format as the Amstrad PCW 8256 and, as a result, it can read disks from this machine direct, this also Means that there is a vast range of software already available from sources such as Public Domain libraries. ? I hadn't realised it was by virus writer Chris "The Black Baron" Pile, who was imprisoned for writing Queeg, SMEG and Pathogen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Pile_(programmer) It is an admitted reverse-engineered effort as you can find from this interesting review, complete with an account of nostalgia-destroying 8-bit compatibility problems: http://www.samcoupe-pro-dos.co.uk/pdreview.html As for the Tatung, I've found very little info on XTal DOS, apart from something calling it " a compatible but beefed-up version of CP/M called Xtal DOS." http://www.tuicool.com/articles/myEBvq Anyone got more? Any more CP/M-compatible Z80 OSs? -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884

13 years, 3 months

Looking for VAXstation 3100/M76 RAM (MS44-AA)

by polemon＠gmail.com

Hello, this is my first post to this ml, so please bear with me... I've become something of an DEC enthusiast since I pulled a VT220 out of a dumpster of my university. I have two VAXstations by now, one of those is a VAXstation 3100/M76 and it has always been a project to max-out the RAM and get a new hard drive for it. Getting that stuff on Ebay is (a) increadibly expensive and (b) mostly not possible at all, because they only sell to companies. I need RAM modules (at least four of them), hard drives, those weird flat screws with their rubbery-plastic gromits, and possibly a terminator for the external SCSI bus. I got spare RTCs (DS1387), it was no problem getting the drop-in replacements for that from Maxim. I live in Germany, there haven't been too many DEC users here, DEC was mostly USA. I'll pay for shipping and basically any price you ask, except it's those comical prices on ebay (4000 USD for a VAXstation main board with CPU, no RAM, no case, no drives; or 60 USD for a single RAM module). Please, if you're willing to send some of your stuff over to Old Europe, please let me know... Cheers, --polemon

13 years, 3 months

spacewars

by tom_a_sparks＠yahoo.com.au

>On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:18 AM, Tom Sparks <tom_a_sparks at yahoo.com.au>wrote: > >> >> > Certainly, as I said, he and Dabney were inspired by the PDP-6 version of >> > Spacewar they saw at SAIL. They were originally going to go the >> > mini-computer route and have an actual copy of Spacewar running on a coin >> > modded mini, which turned out to be too expensive to have mass produced. >> >> >> it more of cost issue, the mini was not able to run the number of >> terminals that was needed to recover cost of the mini >> I think it was two terminals to break even, three to make a profit >> >> >Tom, cost of production. This is per our direct talks with Bushnell and >Dabney for the Atari book (Atari Inc. - Business is Fun). In fact, Curt and >I had the pleasure of driving around with Ted Dabney to some of the >original locations for a day while he reminisced everything. It had nothing >to do with the number of terminals to make a profit, the cost of the mini >alone would have prohibited them from sales in the coin industry at a time >when typical coin-ops cost in the $500-$1500 range. For even the cheapest >mini at the time (the Data General Nova they considered), you're talking >around $4000 just for an entry level Data General Nova - without enough RAM >let alone the cost of the terminal stations. They decided fairly quickly >that besides the Nova being too slow to run the game on multi-terminal >stations, the cost was way too prohibitive. And this was precisely why >Nolan felt Pitt and Tuck's Galaxy Game (around $17,000) wouldn't go >anywhere, it was impossible for it to scale to mass sales let alone the >cost in upkeep on loctaion. Let alone how long it would have taken an >operator to even begin to recoup those kinds of costs. thanks that explain it more to me as the video I heard were short and to the point >from one of those Atari Anthology cds > > >-- >Marty tom

13 years, 3 months

CFFA3000 and Apple III

by wheagy＠gmail.com

Great, thanks. I DL'd the book and will read through it (your second link). The III operates somewhat differently than I expected. Sounds like my first step is to get SOS on a floppy so I can test the III and make sure there are no disk drive issues before proceeding to the CFFA. Based on my experience with the CFFA and the Apple II, I was thinking it was going to be a bit more straightforward. Thanks for the info. Win --- Unlike the II, which is relatively easy to configure to boot to any (bootable) storage device in nearly any slot, the Apple III tries to boot only from the internal floppy drive, and as Eric pointed out, you'd have to roll your own ROM to change that behavior. The CFFA3000 works nicely in the III, but you lose the Drive ][ emulation capability and you can't boot directly to it. In the Apple III, everything is seen as a device and requires a driver that SOS loads as it boots in order to be accessible to the system during operation. You can't (easily) boot directly to the CFFA because SOS requires a driver to be able to recognize it. Fortunately, SOS is close enough to ProDOS that you can use the CFFA in an Apple II to create floppies from the images you downloaded. I'd suggest reading this PDF for more on how the III works: http;//apple2scans.net/scans/manuals/3rd.party/OMHGYA3.pdf It's the Osborne McGraw Hill Guide To Your Apply III. Pay special attention to Chapters 3 and 4. LMK if you have any questions about all this. - Mike

13 years, 3 months

Fans for a PDP-9?

by elson＠pico-systems.com

> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:20:49 -0500 > From: allison <ajp166 at verizon.net> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Fans for a PDP-9? > Message-ID: <50DC5941.3000500 at verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 12/26/2012 03:22 PM, Michael Thompson wrote: > >> Does anyone know of a source of fans for a PDP-9? >> You can see one of the fans at the right of this image: >> https://sites.google.com/a/ricomputermuseum.org/home/Home/equipment/dec-pdp… >> >> > > Just take them apart and lube the bearings with light machine oil. Using > WD40 only dries them out further. > > If tha tis too hard then Rotron should have something that bolt pattern. > These are from pre-boxer fan days, the old "phonograph style" motor. They have oilite (porous sintered bronze) bearings mounted in a cotton oil wick. You can add a lot of oil to the wick material and let it soak in, then clean and oil the bearing and shaft when reassembling. By the time the surface oil is used up, new oil from the wick should soak through. Jon

13 years, 3 months

AT&T 6300 mono monitor

by hendrikvandewerken＠gmail.com

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:11:44 Chuck Guzis wrote: >>On 12/23/2012 05:29 PM, Chris Tofu wrote: >> >> I have an Eagle 5151 clone. In my mind a far easier solution then vga. >So you have a 6300 or M24 that you've used the Eagle 5151 clone with? >I'm surprised that it worked The AT&T 6300 can be operated with a monochrome monitor like a 5151 or a Hercules monitor. You have to install an MDA-card on the system bus and connect it to the mono monitor. Maybe that is the way the 5151 of Chris Tofu works with the 6300. If you want to operate only with mda you have to set a dipswitch on the motherboard so it starts up in mono mode and not in "color mode" of the Indigeneous Board. I used both monitors at the same time with software I wrote and --for example-- the Microsoft Quick C compiler, which has the standard output through the Indigenious card and the compiler messages on the mono monitor. Hendrik

13 years, 3 months

buying an Atari ST

by tom_a_sparks＠yahoo.com.au

----- Original Message ----- > I wonder what the state of the art in Atari emulation is? atari coldfire project[1] and Hatari[2] > > I'm an old Amiga person rather than Atari one so every so often I get > an urge to go buy an Amiga 4000. Instead I fire up my copy of E-UAE > running AmigaDOS 3.9 and the urge goes away. It runs some old games > better than my A500 ever did and I can run the AGA stuff my older > machines never could without massive modifications. > > My eventual goal is to get an old netbook and dedicate it to just > running WinUAE. > > Perhaps the OP might find an Atari emulator the same way? emulation dose have its advantages (overclocking,? emulation of all systems) but have physical system also has its advantages (engaging four senses (touch, smell, sight, hearing), bragging rights) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_Coldfire_Project [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatari_%28emulator%29 --- tom_a_sparks "It's a nerdy thing I like to do" Please use ISO approved file formats excluding Office Open XML - http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Ubuntu wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tomsparks 3 x (x)Ubuntu 10.04, Amiga A1200 WB 3.1, UAE AF 2006 Premium Edition, AF 2012 Plus Edition, Sam440 AOS 4.1.2,? Raspberry Pi model B, Microbee?Premium Plus+, Roland DXY-1300 pen plotter, Cutok DC330 cutter/pen plotter Wanted: GEOS system (C64/C128), Atari ST, Apple Macintosh (6502/68k/PPC only)

13 years, 3 months

CFFA3000and Apple III

by wheagy＠gmail.com

Mike, I wasn't sure how the driver worked and couldn't find any docs. I assumed it worked in a way similar to the firmware updates...i.e. put the driver in the root of the CF card. Apparently there is more to it. Do you have a pointer to config docs for the driver? I have no floppy disk software at all for the Apple III+. Only .dsk images I downloaded online, so I was hoping to use the CFFA3000 to run the III and perhaps make a few disks if the drive is working. So you're saying that the CFFA3000 in the Apple III is different than in the Apple II. In the II, I don't need any floppy disk software at all and can boot and run from the CFFA....which is good because most of my floppy drives for the II are intermittent at best. I'm not sure of the condition of the floppy drive in the Apple III+. For the Apple III, are you saying that I cannot completely dispose of the use of the floppy drive? Thanks, Win -------- When you say, "tried the CFFA Apple III driver," what exactly do you mean? The driver needs to be configured properly before the III+ will recognize the card. Also, what do you mean when you say you have no floppy software? None at all? As is true of any Apple III, the III+ will only boot from a floppy disk in the internal 5.25" drive, and you will need at least an SOS floppy with the SCP to configure the driver and run the partitioning program. - Mike

13 years, 3 months

CFFA3000 and Apple III

by wheagy＠gmail.com

Anyone have experience with the CFFA3000 in an Apple III+? I have one that I've been using successfully in an Apple IIe, but have had no luck getting it to work in the Apple III. I set switch 7 on, and tried the CFFA Apple III driver, although I'm not sure exactly how that is supposed to work. I have no floppy software for the Apple III+ and am not 100% sure it is functioning properly. Any way to test the III+ without software or the CFFA3000? Thanks, Win wheagy at gmail.com

13 years, 3 months

IBM hermaphroditic TR connectors

by sales＠elecplus.com

I have an entire case of adapters, made by Energy Transformation Systems, Inc. I called their tech support this morning, and was told that these were made for Token Ring connections, using IBM Type 1 or Type A cables? There are 2 different PN: EB-TRT-I has impedance matching, uses pins 3,6 and 5,4 EA-DATA-U does not have impedance matching, also uses pins 3,6 and 5,4 These have female RJ45 on one end. Apparently they are used to connect to a MAU? They look like these http://www.cuc.eu/en/li/conrj/rjembase/879700.html But use pins 3,6 and 5,4. Anybody trying to resurrect any old TR stuff? I confess, these are way beyond what I have any knowledge of! Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 (830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax AOL IM elcpls _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5988 - Release Date: 12/26/12

13 years, 3 months

An interesting article on text-book vrs real-world programming

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 12/27/2012 11:14 AM, Bill Sudbrink wrote: >>>> In my side, where updates involve burning a ROM, >>> >>> Not to mention bricking a unit in the field. :-) >> >> Yes. Did I tell you I flew to Texas the week >> before last? ;) > > Yes, you did. And I told you about the Los Alamos trip > that I can't tell you about. ;-) Ahh yes. :-) (in my world these days, that email exchange may well have been a century ago!) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

13 years, 3 months

An interesting article on text-book vrs real-world programming

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 12/27/2012 10:43 AM, Bill Sudbrink wrote: >> In my side, where updates involve burning a ROM, > > Not to mention bricking a unit in the field. :-) Yes. Did I tell you I flew to Texas the week before last? ;) Galveston is nice! GREAT food. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

13 years, 3 months

AT&T 6300 mono monitor

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

I have an Eagle 5151 clone. In my mind a far easier solution then vga.

13 years, 3 months

AT&T 6300 mono monitor

by gerardcjat＠free.fr

The AT&T 6300 can be operated with a monochrome monitor like a 5151 or a Hercules monitor. You have to install an MDA-card on the system bus and connect it to the mono monitor. Maybe that is the way the 5151 of Chris Tofu works with the 6300. If you want

13 years, 3 months

HP 12c

by steve＠tronola.com

>> To me, it's odd that hp still makes financial rpn calculators but not scientific ones. > >The scientific RPN models are the 35s and the (possibly discontinued) >15C Limited Edition. The 20b and 30b financials include scientific >functions. --- The 50g also does RPN (as well as algebraic and "textbook").

13 years, 3 months

cctech Digest, Vol 112, Issue 39

by michael.99.thompson＠gmail.com

> From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> > Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:54:16 -0800 > Subject: IBM Displaywriter software? > Is there an image archive of software for the Displaywriter somewhere? > Someone donated one to the Computer History Museum recently, and I went through our archives and have > only come up with a bunch of versions of the CE disk and a single TEXT PACK 1 diskette. > > I did image what we have, and put it up under http://bitsavers.org/bits/IBM/Displaywriter > > One thing I discovered was you HAVE to degauss the floppy before cloning the CE diskette. It expects tracks 37, 41 and 43 > to be blank or it hangs. > The Rhode Island Computer Museum has a Displaywriter that came with a bunch of diskettes. https://sites.google.com/a/ricomputermuseum.org/home/Home/super-computers/s… -- Michael Thompson

13 years, 3 months

buying an Atari ST

by jonas＠otter.se

On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 20:33:36 -0800, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: > At 7:54 PM -0800 12/25/12, Tom Sparks wrote: >> >I am looking at buying an Atari ST, witch model should I look into buying? > The TT030 is nice very nice and takes a VGA monitor, but I rather > wish I'd gone for a Falcon. Of course I got my TT030 nearly 15 years > ago, it was hard to get then, I hate to think how hard it might be to > get any Atari ST now, or what any Atari computer might cost. > > Zane They are fairly common on auction sites here in Sweden, I got my 1040STFM a couple of years ago for about 50 Euro, with 2 joysticks, a custom-built flight case and about 200 floppies with pirated games on. If you are prepared to pay for shipping from Europe, you could have a look on ebay.de (Germany) for example, or one of the other European national ebay sites. I got mine from Tradera which is owned by ebay (www.tradera.com), they turn up there every now and then, mostly 520s and 1040s. Shipping would probably be quite expensive though. Jonas

13 years, 3 months

IBM Displaywriter software?

by colineby＠isallthat.com

Al, I'm away for the holidays, but could have a rummage at TNMoC when I return. My next day at Bletchley won't be until the 12th. But do nag me if you don't hear back. I know we have at least one system, but its in storage. It would likely have arrived with some media. The media would have been directed off into the archive section. That makes me think it likely we'll have something. --Colin Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote: >Is there an image archive of software for the Displaywriter somewhere? >Someone donated one to the Computer History Museum recently, and I went through our archives and have >only come up with a bunch of versions of the CE disk and a single TEXT PACK 1 diskette. > >I did image what we have, and put it up under http://bitsavers.org/bits/IBM/Displaywriter > >One thing I discovered was you HAVE to degauss the floppy before cloning the CE diskette. It expects tracks 37, 41 and 43 >to be blank or it hangs. > >

13 years, 3 months

buying an Atari ST

by tom_a_sparks＠yahoo.com.au

I am looking at buying an Atari ST, witch model should I look into buying? --- tom_a_sparks "It's a nerdy thing I like to do" Please use ISO approved file formats excluding Office Open XML - http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Ubuntu wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tomsparks 3 x (x)Ubuntu 10.04, Amiga A1200 WB 3.1, UAE AF 2006 Premium Edition, AF 2012 Plus Edition, Sam440 AOS 4.1.2,? Raspberry Pi model B, Microbee?Premium Plus+, Roland DXY-1300 pen plotter, Cutok DC330 cutter/pen plotter Wanted: GEOS system (C64/C128), Atari ST, Apple Macintosh (6502/68k/PPC only)

13 years, 3 months

Spacewar hardware?

by tom_a_sparks＠yahoo.com.au

> Certainly, as I said, he and Dabney were inspired by the PDP-6 version of > Spacewar they saw at SAIL. They were originally going to go the > mini-computer route and have an actual copy of Spacewar running on a coin > modded mini, which turned out to be too expensive to have mass produced. it more of cost issue, the mini was not able to run the number of terminals that was needed to recover cost of the mini I think it was two terminals to break even, three to make a profit >So > they decided to a game loosely inspired by Spacewar via TTL based state > machine after Ted designed their first spot motion circuitry. tom

13 years, 3 months

Access to RSTS/E IOPAGE Registers

by jhfinedp3k＠compsys.to

I require some help with a program which may be of interest to other hobby users. The program is: SHOW EMULATOR or SHOWEM and runs under: (a) RT-11 both UnMapped and Mapped Monitors (b) TSX-Plus (c) RUST both RUST/SJ and RUST/XM (d) RSTS/E (e) RTEM-11 The current Emulators which are detected and displayed are SimH, Ersatz-11 and V11. If anyone knows of any other PDP-11 emulators which can also be included, that would be of great interest, especially if access to that emulator for testing is possible. I have asked for help in the past about this and the only other PDP-11 emulator which runs RT-11 compatible programs is Charon which unfortunately no longer seems to be available or even running. If anyone can help expand the list, it would be appreciated!!! Unfortunately, for (d) and (e), I do not have any information on how to access the IOPAGE registers since SHOWEM requires access to SR0 (177572) and SR1 (177574) in addition to the PSW (177776). I do not believe that RTEM-11 will ever allow a User program to gain access to the IOPAGE registers, however, RSTS/E may allow such access. Does anyone who is reading this post know if access to the IOPAGE registers is possible under RSTS/E for a program running in RT-11 compatibility' mode? And do you also know how it is done? If there is no solution, then I will make to current SHOWEM available to any hobby users who are interested. Otherwise, I would prefer to delay until the RSTS/E solution is implemented. Jerome Fine

13 years, 3 months

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