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Understanding the bin, sbin, usr/bin , usr/sbin split

by lproven＠gmail.com

Fun with PDP-7s and other early Unix hosts... http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884

12 years, 9 months

G4 update

by sales＠elecplus.com

On Cory's suggestion, I tried just one stick of memory. Still no video. Tried the other 2 sticks, and it boots to question mark on either stick, but not both together. Pulled 2 sticks 265MB PC100 with same specs from drawer, it now boots to ?. Still will not boot the Live Debian 3.0.6 i386CD. Somebody give this guy a new home? Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 (830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax AOL IM elcpls _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3204/6450 - Release Date: 06/29/13

12 years, 9 months

Many vintage computer items for sale -- moved to VCGM!

by LYNCHAJ＠YAHOO.COM

Hi I've added many vintage computer items for sale. Please check out my consolidated listing on VCGM. http://marketplace.vintage-computer.com/other_items.php?limit=100&owner_id=1 00048&item_type=all Please contact me if any questions! Thanks and have a nice day! Andrew Lynch

12 years, 9 months

Kaypro 10 HDD formatting

by brain＠jbrain.com

More good news. List member Jon (not sure of last name) sent me a known good ST251 to use on the K10. Installed, it spins up, and hdskfmt seems to claim the entire drive is good (which I know it is, but I wanted the app to know it as well). But, the !readme on the disk says that app formats the disk. It does not appear to do so, and thus I need to know how to format the drive (at least as a ST225, I know I can't do more than that without newer ROMs...) Does anyone have some guidance? I see references online to format06.com, but it's unclear if that's what I need. Jim -- Jim Brain brain at jbrain.com www.jbrain.com

12 years, 9 months

Tech Time Warp of the Week: IBM STRETCH, 1961

by lproven＠gmail.com

1981 mini-documentary about a /then/ 20Y old machine. The doc is historical in its own right, it now being longer since the doc was made than the subject of the doc was from the film. Sadly scant on technical detail, though. http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/06/ibm-stretch-nsa/ -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884

12 years, 9 months

OT: parking meters

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

On a lark, I bought an old mechanical parking meter with the intention of putting it in my den. Does anyone else here have at least a passing fascination with these things? I'm trying to figure out where I can get a base and post for it. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu

12 years, 9 months

C64 Power Supply Replacement Options

by dm561＠torfree.net

----- Original Message ----- > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 21:49:04 +0100 > From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> > On 25 June 2013 20:07, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> Unlike a lot of people these days, when I find I want to do somethign >> that I don't know how to do or don't have the skill to do,my reaction si >> nto to give up, but to learn how to do it and to practice until I can do >> it. > > You have told me that you cannot drive or ride a bicycle, Tony. > Explain to me how this commendable attitude of "I can't do that, so I > will learn" applies to these activities -- daily activities for > billions of people, skills that would be very useful to you almost > every day. ----- Reply: ----- Apparently you missed the words "when I want to"; I'm sure that, like me, you know many people, especially people like Tony who live in large metropolitan areas with good public transit facilities and taxi service, who choose to *not* want to drive and would not dream of getting on a bicycle; do you harangue them the same way? Is it just envy because Tony is such a generous and prolific contributor of generally useful information while your posts despite their much greater number and size usually contribute mostly noise, that makes you jump into a discussion about power supplies just to 'pick on him' like this? For once I have to agree with Tothwolf and his "You, sir, are a bona fide troll," and an often rude and silly one at that; my apologies to the list for adding to the OT. m

12 years, 9 months

SBC6120 Serial Params

by wheagy＠gmail.com

Hi, Anyone running an SBC6120 connected to a PC serial port? A couple questions: 1) Are you using a null modem cable - I've seen conflicting info 2) What baud rate are you using and what are the other serial parameters (8,N,1)? POST looks ok, but I only get garbled text on TeraTerm with every configuration I've tried. Thanks, Win

12 years, 9 months

FS: DEC pdp-11/23 -- SOLD.

by js＠cimmeri.com

For sale, located in Harpers Ferry WV (near Frederick, MD) OR Washington, D.C. area: DEC pdp-11/23, circa 1981, in BA11-N with H9273 4x9 Q18/CD backplane, and with the often missing outer cover (shroud). Machine has been restored and tested. currently configured and tested as: (1) M8186 11/23 KDF11-A CPU (18 bit addressing) (2) M8044-DB MSV11 32KW RAM (16 bit) for 64KW total (1) M7940 DLV11 SLU (console) (1) M8012-YA BDV11 boot, term, roms (18 bit). also included, are likely working but untested are: M8013 -\ M8014 -- RLV11 RL01 drive controller (18 bit, DMA) M8029 -- RXV21 RX02 drive controller (18 bit, DMA) Please email me for more info.

12 years, 9 months

Gr8bit – a multi-card modular MSX2 compatible hobbyist computer

by lproven＠gmail.com

I'd not heard of this before. http://www.gr8bit.ru/what_is_gr8bit.html The website is a little messy but the machine does seem to be comprehensively documented. I'd be more interested if it was Spectrum-compatible, myself. ;-) -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884

12 years, 9 months

Setting the Scrolling Region on VT100's VT220's VT320's VT420's, VT510's etc.

by cctech＠beyondthepale.ie

> > This is the first time I have heard of DECterm supporting more than 24 lines, > so the answers which you provide are particularly helpful since they confirm the > results that have been found by E. Groenenberg and John Wilson, and > specifically in respect of screens of more than 24 lines of which you are the only > one to note what DEC did when more than 24 lines are available. > For another data point, I dug out my VT510 and set it to 48 lines per page. The results were the same. The scrolling region was not altered if the second parameter was larger than 48. In light of what John said in another posting, I also tried defaulting the second parameter and setting it to zero. In both cases, the scrolling region was set to start at the line specified by the first parameter and end at the bottom of the screen. This also worked for me on a DECterm. Finally, I tried a Qume QVT202 (80x24 only) which behaved the same. Regards, Peter Coghlan.

12 years, 9 months

Setting the Scrolling Region on VT100's VT220's VT320's VT420's, VT510's etc.

by cctech＠beyondthepale.ie

> > There is one other test which would be extremely helpful > to confirm. You mention the case when you set the second > parameter to zero. I tend to assume that you used ONE > zero character, i.e. "<ESC>[TOP;0r" where TOP was the > upper line number. My question is what occurs if you use > THREE zero characters for the second parameter, i.e. > "<ESC>[TOP;000r" since that would help quite a bit > Unfortunately, I've already put the terminals away and I don't have an opportunity to dig them out again until mid next week at the earliest. However, I've checked on the DECterm in front of me and <ESC>[016;000r works as expected. Regards, Peter Coghlan.

12 years, 9 months

WTB: Scsi apple card for //e and //GS

by alexandre.tabajara＠gmail.com

Title says all :) I had one, dunno why I sold it. I still have the (original) manual, but I'd love to have one in my IIgs Also, I'm looking for that small covers that fits on back of IIgs Thanks Alexandre --- Enviado do meu Motorola PT550 Meu site: http://www.tabalabs.com.br

12 years, 9 months

Make Magazine Article: Rebuilding Computer History: First, Parts of the EDSAC Replica Unveiled

by elson＠pico-systems.com

From: Christian Liendo <christian_liendo at yahoo.com> EDSAC?was Cambridge University?s first computer. Designed in the early years after the Second World War in 1947, construction of the machine was completed in 1949. It operated for almost 10 years, and was the first general purpose computer built for other people to use, to solve real problems. The?EDSAC Replica project?aims to rebuild an authentic replica, and on Wednesday, which was the centenary of the birth of?Sir Maurice Wilkies, widely regarded as the father of British computing, they have?unveiled the first working parts?of the restored machine. http://makezine.com/2013/06/27/edsac-replica/ Arrgh, they misspelled M V Wilkes' name in the first occurrence in the text. Jon

12 years, 9 months

Setting the Scrolling Region on VT100's VT220's VT320's VT420's, VT510's etc.

by cctech＠beyondthepale.ie

> >OOOPS!! The first line should have included: > ><ESC>[16;99r > >rather than > ><ESC>[0;99r > Hi Jerome, There are still some errors in the files. I think the first line of the second file should also be changed to <ESC>[16;255r rather than <ESC>[0;255r I also suspect <ESC>[2J should be used instead of <ESC>2J in both cases. There is a < missing after 2J in the first line of each file. When I tried displaying the two files (after the above corrections) on a DECterm created by DECWindows on OpenVMS Alpha V8.2, the scrolling region setting was not altered unless I reduced boundaries of the scrolling region requested to fit within the current page size of the DECterm. For example, <ESC>[16;38r worked on a DECterm set to a page length of 40, but not on a DECterm set to a page length of 24. (Over the years I have seen many so-called VT100 emulators on PCs and Macs that made no attempt whatever to implement scrolling regions.) Regards, Peter Coghlan. > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Jerome H. Fine wrote: > >> I have a simple request for anyone who is has a real DEC VT100 >> or compatible terminal (VT100, VT220, VT320, VT420, VT510) >> and especially VT100 software emulations, either as standalone >> software or as part of a PDP-11 emulator such as Ersatz-11. >> >> In respect of the latter, I have been using the Ersatz-11 PDP-11 >> emulator to support VT100 emulation with more than 24 lines >> for a few years. In particular, as part of the implementation, >> when the Range Escape Sequence is used to begin the Scrolling >> Region at a line less than 24 for the TOP and a line at the bottom >> of the screen for the BOTTOM, I use: >> >> <ESC>[16;255r >> >> to scroll between line 16 and the bottom of the screen. For >> real DEC VT100 terminals with the AVO option, there is >> ONLY one size for the number of lines, namely 24 lines. >> >> Since I can't ATTACH files to be sent to classiccmp, >> below are two files which can be used to erase the screen, >> set the scrolling region to line 16 at the top and line 99 or line 255, >> respectively, at the bottom of the screen. If the any VT100 >> (compatible) terminal or emulated VT100 terminal set for 24 lines >> is able to handle setting the scrolling region in this manner, each >> file with FIFTY lines should begin starting to display "Line 1 of File" >> of the file on line 12 of the "terminal" and "Line 2 of File" on line 16 >> of the "terminal" the and end up showing approximately six lines of >> the file at the bottom of the screen as the previous lines of the file >> scroll off the TOP of the scrolling region (at line 16 of the terminal) >> with just "Line 1 of File" remaining on line 12 of the "terminal". >> >> I would very much appreciate learning the results of sending >> both files to a DEC (or emulated) VT100 terminal. If they act >> the same was as Ersatz-11, the results will be identical with using >> 24 in place of 99 or 255. >> >> Jerome Fine >> >> P.S. When the file is transferred to the system, replace <ESC> >> with octal 33!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KED can be used under RT-11. >> The user eliminates each <ESC> and enters TWO <ESC> >> characters instead. Alternatively, if you can remember the >> first line correctly, you can enter the complete file in about >> 2 minutes by duplicating (cut and paste) the other 49 lines. >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> <ESC>2JESC>[12;1HLine 1 of File<ESC>[0;99r<ESC>[16;1H >> Line 2 of File >> Line 3 of File >> Line 4 of File >> Line 5 of File >> Line 6 of File >> Line 7 of File >> Line 8 of File >> Line 9 of File >> Line 10 of File >> Line 11 of File >> Line 12 of File >> Line 13 of File >> Line 14 of File >> Line 15 of File >> Line 16 of File >> Line 17 of File >> Line 18 of File >> Line 19 of File >> Line 20 of File >> Line 21 of File >> Line 22 of File >> Line 13 of File >> Line 14 of File >> Line 15 of File >> Line 16 of File >> Line 17 of File >> Line 18 of File >> Line 19 of File >> Line 20 of File >> Line 21 of File >> Line 22 of File >> Line 23 of File >> Line 24 of File >> Line 25 of File >> Line 26 of File >> Line 27 of File >> Line 28 of File >> Line 29 of File >> Line 30 of File >> Line 31 of File >> Line 32 of File >> Line 33 of File >> Line 34 of File >> Line 35 of File >> Line 36 of File >> Line 37 of File >> Line 38 of File >> Line 39 of File >> Line 40 of File >> Line 41 of File >> Line 42 of File >> Line 43 of File >> Line 44 of File >> Line 45 of File >> Line 46 of File >> Line 47 of File >> Line 48 of File >> Line 49 of File >> Line 50 of File >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> <ESC>2JESC>[12;1HLine 1 of File<ESC>[0;255r<ESC>[16;1H >> Line 2 of File >> Line 3 of File >> Line 4 of File >> Line 5 of File >> Line 6 of File >> Line 7 of File >> Line 8 of File >> Line 9 of File >> Line 10 of File >> Line 11 of File >> Line 12 of File >> Line 13 of File >> Line 14 of File >> Line 15 of File >> Line 16 of File >> Line 17 of File >> Line 18 of File >> Line 19 of File >> Line 20 of File >> Line 21 of File >> Line 22 of File >> Line 13 of File >> Line 14 of File >> Line 15 of File >> Line 16 of File >> Line 17 of File >> Line 18 of File >> Line 19 of File >> Line 20 of File >> Line 21 of File >> Line 22 of File >> Line 23 of File >> Line 24 of File >> Line 25 of File >> Line 26 of File >> Line 27 of File >> Line 28 of File >> Line 29 of File >> Line 30 of File >> Line 31 of File >> Line 32 of File >> Line 33 of File >> Line 34 of File >> Line 35 of File >> Line 36 of File >> Line 37 of File >> Line 38 of File >> Line 39 of File >> Line 40 of File >> Line 41 of File >> Line 42 of File >> Line 43 of File >> Line 44 of File >> Line 45 of File >> Line 46 of File >> Line 47 of File >> Line 48 of File >> Line 49 of File >> Line 50 of File >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > > >-- >Jerome Fine replies: > >aaaa > >Sincerely yours, > >Jerome Fine >-- >To obtain the original e-mail address, please remove >the ten characters which immediately follow the 'at'. >If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail >address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk >e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be >obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the >'at' with the four digits of the current year.

12 years, 9 months

Computer Devices Inc Miniterm ASR - Model 1205

by dave＠willomail.co.uk

>> I've just picked up one these Miniterm portable terminals but it would >> appear that a couple of the EPROMs have gone bad. Anybody got one they >> could grab ROM images from? > There are different models; can you post a picture of the model plate? Sorry, don't have my camera to hand at the moment but the nameplate says 'Miniterm ASR' and the rear of the machine has the model number as 1205 Cheers, Dave

12 years, 9 months

My Telecom Computerphone (aka ICL One Per Desk) on YouTube

by terry＠webweavers.co.nz

All your 1984 desktop computing and telephony needs could be met by the Telecom Computerphone (aka ICL One Per Desk). See if you agree. (-: My next classic collection video at http://youtu.be/hZDVHi3UywM

12 years, 9 months

Make Magazine Article: Rebuilding Computer History: First Parts of the EDSAC Replica Unveiled

by christian_liendo＠yahoo.com

EDSAC?was Cambridge University?s first computer. Designed in the early years after the Second World War in 1947, construction of the machine was completed in 1949. It operated for almost 10 years, and was the first general purpose computer built for other people to use, to solve real problems. The?EDSAC Replica project?aims to rebuild an authentic replica, and on Wednesday, which was the centenary of the birth of?Sir Maurice Wilkies, widely regarded as the father of British computing, they have?unveiled the first working parts?of the restored machine. http://makezine.com/2013/06/27/edsac-replica/

12 years, 9 months

TRS-80 model 100 suitcase

by alexandre.tabajara＠gmail.com

Dear friends, I need an internal photo of the TRS-80 model 100 suitcase. Mine the foam has gone bananas (or powder...) and I don't know how is the original one. I'll have to make its internals again. Thanks Alexandre Souza --- Enviado do meu Motorola PT550 Meu site: http://www.tabalabs.com.br

12 years, 9 months

IBM 5363 (S/36) led code

by michael.99.thompson＠gmail.com

From: supervinx <supervinx at libero.it> > Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 11:02:10 +0200 > Subject: Re: IBM 5363 (S/36) led codes > Il giorno dom, 23/06/2013 alle 09.34 +1000, Nigel Williams ha scritto: > > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:21 AM, supervinx <supervinx at libero.it> wrote: > > > Now the 5363 ends happily its IPL, and seems to work well/// > > > > Wonderful! always good news to hear about another System/36 becoming > > fully-functional. > > > > Could you take a peak in the libraries and look out for the System/36 > > Assembler or System/36 FORTRAN please. > > > > We still have not found either, and they are proving quite elusive. We > > expected to find the Assembler much faster than this, given how > > commonly it was used to extend the system. The FORTRAN we expected > > would be difficult since it was a special order item. > I can answer right no. > No, I found only DFU, SDA, RPG, SEU, WSU. > No ?POPLIB, but I have a backup copy from a 5364. > It belonged to a Hotel... > > But I own a third 5364 to be analyzed, may be I found something else > there... > -- > Vincenzo (aka Supervinx) > The RICM has a 5363-II, 5363-III, and a 5363-IV, and four 5364. The 5363-III displays the Sign On screen, but we haven't hacked the admin password yet. -- Michael Thompson

12 years, 9 months

Transportation

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Christian Gauger-Cosgrove <captainkirk359 at gmail.com> wrote: > Try finding a way to move any large object "on the cheap" when you > can't go get it yourself. That's a problem I -- without a driver's > license, due to a physical disability -- have encountered, multiple > times. One's only real options when you can't just up and pick > something up is: > 1. Shipping it. ("Well, looks like I'm going to have to sell my > kidneys to ship it!") > 2. Paying a friend/acquaintance to get it for you (basically, like > shipping it with slightly less exorbitant fares, and probably better > handling... but only if you find someone willing to travel somewhere). > 3. Passing up the opportunity. (Most probable.) > > Cheers, > Christian There once was a service called "Von Haus zu Haus", which freely translates to "Door-to-door shipping", offered by the Deutsche Bundesbahn (German Federal Railway). They would pick up an item by truck or other reasonable means, get it onto a train at the next bigger station with goods handling capability, unload it at a similar station close to the destination and truck it the last part again, *for very reasonable rates*. That was shortly after WWII, it's of course long gone now unfortunately. My father told me that when his parents were building our house, they got a small-batch concrete mixer from their relatives about 100mi away, who had used it while building theirs and no longer needed it, by that means. We will ultimately need something like that again, IMHO. So Long, Arno

12 years, 9 months

Classic Computer Items for sale

by LYNCHAJ＠YAHOO.COM

12 years, 9 months

DEC boards

by useddec＠gmail.com

With the help of friends and family, most of my DEC boards are now relocated back here, sorted, and inventoried. I don't want to place everything here yet, but feel free to contact me off list with your shopping list. The Dec compatibles will be done later along with other parts. I also have several 11/44 cpu sets, but the backplanes are still buried. I will try to respond to all inquiries within 48 hours. The PDP-8 boards are not all ready yet. Thanks, Paul

12 years, 9 months

ILLIAC IV ?

by nigel.d.williams＠gmail.com

I've just received a couple of boxes of manuals (mostly Burroughs, some IBM), and a copy of the ILLIAC IV System Characteristics and Programming Manual IL4-PM1 (25-June-1969 - earlier edition than what is seen on bitsavers). Does anyone know if any Illiac IV software has survived? as one of the first attempts at a SIMD machine, it would be great to see it reborn one day as an emulator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ILLIAC_IV

12 years, 9 months

moving stuff up the US west coast

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

Sometime in the next few months I will be transporting the contents of my storage unit in central California to northern Washington. Can I get some ideas of cost of how to do this? My first thought is to fly down, rent a truck, fill it up, and drive back to Washington. My father thinks it would be overall cheaper to rent the truck in in Washington, drive it down, and drive it back. Still another idea is to rent a shipping container and put my goodies in that. Can I get some other ideas, suggestions, and/or advice? -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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