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by mark＠markesystems.com

From: dwight <dkelvey at hotmail.com> > If we'd thought about it we could count to 1023 on our fingers. I used to play string bass in a symphony, and there were many times that there would be long periods of rest, where it was important to count the bars (measures) going by so as to come back in at the right time. To this day (that was 40+ years ago) I can still count quite rapidly up to 31 on one hand (either one). Higher numbers slow me down a bit... Old bass joke: During the last movement of Beethoven's 9th symphony, there is a very long tacit (rest) for the basses. So the bass section all went over to the bar across the street for a drink or three. To keep the conductor from passing by their entry, they put a rubber band around his music. So the situation was... Bottom of the ninth, basses loaded, score tied. (sorry...) ~~ Mark Moulding

5 years, 2 months

Epson QX-10 hard drive

by imp＠bsdimp.com

Greetings I recently purchased a QCS external hard disk on ebay. This was one of the companies that was selling DEC Rainbow hard drives. I had hoped it was an old Rainbow drive with interesting to me bits... Turns out it is an Epson QX-10 hard drive, full of interesting to bits for the QX-10 CP/M enthusiast. I've had trouble finding a suitable community to note this in should there be people around that care... so I thought I'd ask here is people know of good CP/M groups and/or QX-10/16 groups, mailing lists, irc channels, discord servers, etc I could find. Warner

5 years, 2 months

APL\360

by commodorejohn＠gmail.com

> From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> > Numbering of bits in a word is also interesting. Is the high order bit > in a 64 bit word, bit 0 or bit 63? Both conventions have been employed. This one has always boggled me, because it's the one aspect of the Endian Wars where there's a simple, straightforward answer grounded in basic mathematics - base ^ digit-number only gives the correct place-value when the lowest-order bit is numbered zero. It's beyond my ken how anybody thought the reverse was *valid,* let alone a good idea.

5 years, 2 months

Just curious how many Hewlett-Packard Integral computers were sold. We have one here at the SMECC Museum that we are building a display around it for.

by couryhouse＠aol.com

Australian HP museum site... yes kudos to them!? What wonderful work they have done and some of the friendliest? peple around! Even though I pull a copy down from there. If it is,for something we have in the collection? I also try to get original manuals too.. On Sunday, January 31, 2021 Tony Duell <ard.p850ug1 at gmail.com> wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 6:25 AM Frank McConnell via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > On Jan 30, 2021, at 10:09, ED SHARPE via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Hi Doug! No, we do not have a copy of this HP JOURNAL.? We do not have manuals? either.? We,are lucky to have the unit wonder if you can still order ink for the printer. I do have an unopened ink cartrige. You can get scans of the manuals from the Australian HP museum site Do you have any expansion boards in it? Extra memory is very useful (and you can turn any of the boards into a 1MByte one by adding the chips and changing links). As is an RS232 interface (something that IMHO should have been built-in) Do NOT leave the ink cartridge in the machine. The ink is somewhat corrosive and if it leaks onto the flexiprint that connects the cartridge to the logic PCB it will damage it. Due to the layout of the machine the flexiprint is longer than the one in a normal Thinkjet so you can't just raid one of those for spares. Yes there is a way to kludge it with ribbon cable and connectors but it's best not to have the problem in the first place. > > HP 51604A.? I was surprised a few months ago to find that Staples claims to be able to sell new HP cartridges.? Looking earlier today, HP can too! > > Seriously, we?re talking about ink cartridges including replacement print heads for printers manufactured in 1983. I was equally surprised to find that ink ribbons for the Epson HX20 laptop (M160 printer mechanism) along with the ones for the narrower M150 mechanism are still being made. But as I've said before, I'd rather find parts for a machine made 30 years ago than one made 5 years ago. -tony

5 years, 2 months

DEC backplane power connectors

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> I have posted it here: Ooops, moved it; now here: http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/pdp11/jpg/dec_connectors.jpg Noel

5 years, 2 months

DEC backplane power connectors

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Tom Uban > The part numbers are: . A106239-ND, TE Connectivity AMP Connectors 1-171196-0, CONN PLUG 6POS MATE-N-LOK NATRL > A1427-ND, TE Connectivity AMP Connectors 1-480323-0, CONN PLUG 15 POS MATE-N-LOK > See attached picture That didn't come through for people on the list; I have posted it here: http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/pdp11/jpg/tmp/dec_connectors.jpg so everyone can see his connectors. > Looking at the TE.com catalog, the picture for 1-480273-0 does not match > my DD11-DF connector Actually, the 1-480273-0 is _exactly_ the unit DEC used; I looked at the power distribution panel from a BA11-K, and that's what it uses. (I'm too burned out to look at the engineering drawings and get the part number to confirm; I'll do that 'soon'.) I took a picture of the male shells, and added it to the CHWiki page (I'll add the females tomorrow). The detail of the 6-pin one didn't show up too well, so I took another closeup of just it, here: https://gunkies.org/wiki/File:DECPwrConnMaleSml.jpg Your 15-pin is the same as mine (the part number matches). Your 6-pin has 'wings' on the side (these prevent it pulling through when placed in a hole in sheet metal); the 6-pin DEC used has little right-angle arms, just like the ones on the 15-pin, to brace it in place. They are compatible, though, I think; a female shell that will take one probably will take the other. Noel

5 years, 2 months

Just curious how many Hewlett-Packard Integral computers were sold. We have one here at the SMECC Museum that we are building a display around it for.

by Wayne.Smith＠warnerbros.com

On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 9:01 AM ED SHARPE via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > Just curious how many Hewlett-Packard Integral? computers were sold.?? > > We have one here at the SMECC Museum that we are building a display around it for.?? > > Of course we are looking for any advertising material, posters or anyting visually related to this computer to make the display "more than just a computer on the table"? > > Please let us know if you have any material that would fit this need!?? > > Thank you very much in advance > Ed Sharpe - Archivist?? for SMECC As to the number sold, you should be able to get a sense of it by collecting serial numbers from those who have them - once you get enough of them (maybe 20 or so) you should get a sense of about where the numbering started and where it ended. I have two units and if you're interested I can pull the numbers and send them along.

5 years, 2 months

Microsoft fortran and c manuals

by rdawson16＠hotmail.com

Hi Thomas, Did you ever the pdf copies of these? I also would like to get a set. Thanks, Randy

5 years, 2 months

Usenet and Google Groups

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 06:01 PM 1/30/2021, you wrote: >>>Which Henry was that?? Henry Spencer perhaps? >>Yes, Henry Spencer (formerly of zoo.toronto.edu). >>N. > >Another blast from the past. I haven't seen anything of or spoken with him in nearly 30 years. A legend, indeed, and one that only makes me upset about Google's Usenet archive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Spencer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups Couldn't Google just give someone else a copy of what Spencer (and everyone else) gave them? - John

5 years, 2 months

Just curious how many Hewlett-Packard Integral computers were sold. We have one here at the SMECC Museum that we are building a display around it for.

by couryhouse＠aol.com

Wayne.. yes please send the 2? serial numbers and others are invited to participate also. Probably good idea to send offlist? to kerp from clogging lister.? Thanks Ed# On Sunday, January 31, 2021 Smith, Wayne via cctalk <Wayne.Smith at warnerbros.com; cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 9:01 AM ED SHARPE via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > Just curious how many Hewlett-Packard Integral? computers were sold.?? > > We have one here at the SMECC Museum that we are building a display around it for.?? > > Of course we are looking for any advertising material, posters or anyting visually related to this computer to make the display "more than just a computer on the table"? > > Please let us know if you have any material that would fit this need!?? > > Thank you very much in advance > Ed Sharpe - Archivist?? for SMECC As to the number sold, you should be able to get a sense of it by collecting serial numbers from those who have them - once you get enough of them (maybe 20 or so) you should get a sense of about where the numbering started and where it ended.? I have two units and if you're interested I can pull the numbers and send them along.

5 years, 2 months

Small DEC QBUS backplane

by nw.johnson＠ieee.org

I'm trying to repair an LSI-11/93 that has a bus timeout problem.? Unfortunately the BA23 box it normally sits in lives in a cupboard with printers stowed on top of it and due to my domestic situation (small condo) I can't get it out to scope or get a scope anywhere near it to scope the bus. I'm thinking that the solution would be to get a small QBUS backplane that I can put on my desk in the middle of my test equipment. Like a 4-slot ABAB oir even ABCD would do. Does anybody have one they don't want?? Power supply not needed. cheers, Nigel -- Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU Amateur Radio, the origin of the open-source concept! Skype: TILBURY2591 nw.johnson at ieee.org

5 years, 2 months

Small DEC QBUS backplane

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Glen Slick > The KDJ11-E 11/93 has PMI signals on the CD connectors, so you need a > Q/CD backplane I have this bit set that plugging a PMI card into a Q/Q slot will damage it? (I think the issue is that some PMI pins are 12V on normal QBUS; too tired to check tonight, I'll get to it tomorrow.) Noel

5 years, 2 months

Just curious how many Hewlett-Packard Integral computers were sold. We have one here at the SMECC Museum that we are building a display around it for.

by couryhouse＠aol.com

Thanks? folks for the part number for ink jet cartridges. .. we have differnt interface standards version of Thinkjet? plusevthe one in the integral so we can play still! Big thanks for the corisive? ink warning. .. I had no idea! Hopefully we can turn up some poster art and other things? to add? to the display too!? -Ed# On Sunday, January 31, 2021 Tony Duell <ard.p850ug1 at gmail.com> wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 6:25 AM Frank McConnell via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > On Jan 30, 2021, at 10:09, ED SHARPE via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Hi Doug! No, we do not have a copy of this HP JOURNAL.? We do not have manuals? either.? We,are lucky to have the unit wonder if you can still order ink for the printer. I do have an unopened ink cartrige. You can get scans of the manuals from the Australian HP museum site Do you have any expansion boards in it? Extra memory is very useful (and you can turn any of the boards into a 1MByte one by adding the chips and changing links). As is an RS232 interface (something that IMHO should have been built-in) Do NOT leave the ink cartridge in the machine. The ink is somewhat corrosive and if it leaks onto the flexiprint that connects the cartridge to the logic PCB it will damage it. Due to the layout of the machine the flexiprint is longer than the one in a normal Thinkjet so you can't just raid one of those for spares. Yes there is a way to kludge it with ribbon cable and connectors but it's best not to have the problem in the first place. > > HP 51604A.? I was surprised a few months ago to find that Staples claims to be able to sell new HP cartridges.? Looking earlier today, HP can too! > > Seriously, we?re talking about ink cartridges including replacement print heads for printers manufactured in 1983. I was equally surprised to find that ink ribbons for the Epson HX20 laptop (M160 printer mechanism) along with the ones for the narrower M150 mechanism are still being made. But as I've said before, I'd rather find parts for a machine made 30 years ago than one made 5 years ago. -tony

5 years, 2 months

Just curious how many Hewlett-Packard Integral computers were sold. We have one here at the SMECC Museum that we are building a display around it for.

by couryhouse＠aol.com

Hi Doug! No, we do not have a copy of this HP JOURNAL.? We do not have manuals? either.? We,are lucky to have the unit wonder if you can still order ink for the printer. I do have an unopened ink cartrige. I will have to get a copy of this journal meanwhile I will read this one you sent the link to! Back when we were selling? the HP PC? computers? this was a current product but outside our contract? with HP.? I was working with HP 150 abd the display potables HP offered and used 1000 2000 and 3000 systems? but always looked at how neat? this was. Ed# On Saturday, January 30, 2021 Doug Salot <doug at blinkenlights.com> wrote: I assume you already have a copy of the Oct 1985 HP Journal?http://hparchive.com/Journals/HPJ-1985-10.pdf On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 9:01 AM ED SHARPE via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: Just curious how many Hewlett-Packard Integral? computers were sold.?? We have one here at the SMECC Museum that we are building a display around it for.?? Of course we are looking for any advertising material, posters or anyting visually related to this computer to make the display "more than just a computer on the table"? Please let us know if you have any material that would fit this need!?? Thank you very much in advance Ed Sharpe - Archivist?? for SMECC

5 years, 2 months

cctalk Digest, Vol 76, Issue 29

by mark＠markesystems.com

On 1/29/21 12:58 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >> I like indentation, and demanded it from my students. > > That's fine, but when you have a language that makes indentation part of > the language (i.e. no braces, brackets or keywords denoting boundaries > of the block) , there be monsters. > > And yes, there are such languages. Uh - Python comes to mind... ~~ Mark Moulding

5 years, 2 months

Just curious how many Hewlett-Packard Integral computers were sold. We have one here at the SMECC Museum that we are building a display around it for.

by couryhouse＠aol.com

Just curious how many Hewlett-Packard Integral? computers were sold.?? We have one here at the SMECC Museum that we are building a display around it for.?? Of course we are looking for any advertising material, posters or anyting visually related to this computer to make the display "more than just a computer on the table"? Please let us know if you have any material that would fit this need!?? Thank you very much in advance Ed Sharpe - Archivist?? for SMECC

5 years, 2 months

APL\360

by cisin＠xenosoft.com

> Whenever I start a new job the first thing I do today is enable > -Werror; all warnings are errors. And I?ll fix every one. Even > when everyone claims that ?These are not a problem?. Before > that existed, I?d do the same with lint, and FlexeLint when I > could get it. On Fri, 29 Jan 2021, wrcooke at wrcooke.net wrote: > That's exactly what I did and was then told I was likely to get fired for > it. I left that job soon after. > "A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new." -- Albert > Einstein Similarly, "You don't have time to write comments as you go along. You can go back and add them in AFTER the program is working." Of course, as soon as it "seems to be working", "We're not paying you to mess with stuff that's already DONE. We have ANOTHER project that you have to get on immediately." It's not good to be in a job where they won't let you be thorough in error checking nor let you write comments. And, of course, "Don't waste space with more than two decimal digits for year. NOTHING that we are doing now will still be in use 30 years from now." One of the tasks that I was assigned (working for a contractor at GSFC) was to work on converting a wall of punch-card subroutines for plotting on Calcomp plotters that needed to be changed to work on Stromberg-Carlson (later Stromberg Datagraphics). It was budgeted for a LONG project to rewrite all of them. I realized that all of the subroutines for Calcomp called lower and lower level routines, on down to a small number of primitives. It was easy to write primitives for those lowest level ones, that worked on the SC/SD. I got some help with the JCL to link my primitives to the routines for the Calcomps. All of the routines for Calcomp worked fine calling their lower level routines, and ultimately calling MY primitives. The company got a small bonus for getting it all done way sooner than planned, and I got a private major reprimand for getting it all done way sooner than it was budgeted for. Many others earned bonuses for the company. The company distributed the bonuses as BIG bonuses to upper executives (I think that the top guy got a car), and gave each of us a gift certificate/coupon for a turkey.

5 years, 2 months

CPT Phoenix Jr system unit?

by cmhanson＠eschatologist.net

I?ve acquired the display and keyboard portion of a CPT Phoenix Jr but the seller didn?t have the system unit. (I suspect someone along the chain of custody thought it was a generic PC and recycled it.) Does anyone have one that needs a home? ? Chris ? who has an affinity for portrait displays Sent from my iPhone

5 years, 2 months

PDP-10 prints on eBait

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

Did someone here buy these: https://www.ebay.com/itm/265018225826 I was wondering if they'll be scanned. Noel

5 years, 2 months

Ridiculous RL11's on eBait

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

This seller: https://www.ebay.com/itm/303862645513 is _completely_ insane! ~$2400 for an RL11 board? Noel

5 years, 2 months

Half-height SCSI enclosure

by van.snyder＠sbcglobal.net

In case you need a half-height SCSI enclosure to add to your VAX etc, I put one up on EBay. Item ID: 224332273248 https://www.ebay.com/itm/224332273248 Van Snyder

5 years, 2 months

DEC backplane power connectors

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> I have a feeling there are two shell designs for the 6 pin. Like I said, I have a vague memory of another keying design (I think it used a ridge running parallel to the direction of insertion), but I don't think it's >from any DEC gear. There is definitely yet _another_ keying design, with triangular sawteeth, but again, I don't think any DEC gear used that. > The one on my DD11-DF that I want to mate has detents in the corners > while the catalog picture for the 6 pin on your part number shows a > square in the center of the side. Yes, the ones on the DD11-[C,D] (female shell, male pins) have 2 filled-in corners, and the ones on the harness into which they plug (male shell, female pins) have both the cutout corners (to match the filled-in corners on the female shells), _and_ "a square in the center of the side". As I said, I had verified that my female shells plugged into the male shells on an -11/40 harness; I just went and checked, those males have the exact identical shape to the ones I got (with the listed part number), including both cutout corners and the square in the center of the side. (Oddly enough, the 15-pin male shells used in that generation of DEC power connectors do not have the square in the center of the side, just the cutout corners.) Noel

5 years, 2 months

UNIVAC

by billdegnan＠gmail.com

I do not know this guy, this came through my site, but if you do have info that you think he might find useful and would like to share please contact CECIL the Specific. VintageComputer.net Inquiry Contact Information Name: CECIL CRAIN Email: ccrain at rgoldlegal-got-com Phone: 4157869527 ------------------------- Comments: I'm looking for any information about Bakelite insulating materials and phenolic resins used in Univac DCT products manufactured in the Salt Lake City facility from 1970 to 1978. VintageComputer.net --------------------------------------------------------------- Bill

5 years, 2 months

DEC backplane power connectors

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> Are the power connectors on the DEC PDP-11 backplanes (e.g. DD11-DF > 15pin and 6pin) Molex or other? > Are they still commonly available? https://gunkies.org/wiki/DEC_power_distribution_connectors#Connectors I'm not sure why I bothered to write all this stuff up; it was clearly a waste of time. Noel

5 years, 2 months

DEC backplane power connectors

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> I may have gotten the wrong 6pin shell. I have this very vague memory of some similar connector shell, but I have no memory of what the difference is. I just checked the shells I have here, and they definitely fit onto the power harness on an -11/40; and the numbers on the Web page are correct. If yours arrives, and it works, please send me the number and I'll add it to the page. Actually, if it _doesn't_ work, send me the number, and I'll add a 'no not use xxx, it doesn't work' note. Noel

5 years, 2 months

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