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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >Moral/Risk: If you are wanting long-term data storage, the format is just as > >important as the materials. > > > >This is not a new problem - It has appeared in Risks before (RISKS-21.56: > >'NASA data from 1970s lost due to "forgotten" file format' for one...), but > >is worth keeping in mind. I still have an old Commodore 64/128 disk with my > >(very) old account details on it - not that I have a C64/128 any more. My > >permanent records, however, are the printouts. Hogwash. I can't recall how many times someone handed me a tape back in the 80s, totally unaware of the format of the data on it, that required only time and dedication in order to turn back into something useful. NASA hasn't lost data, it's lost the will to hire and retain talented people who can make things work. Just like everyplace else in this whacko economy... -dq

23 years, 4 months

IBM PC Server 500

by musicman38＠mindspring.com

Thank You everyone for all the Information on my PC Server 500 find. I found the manual on the IBM site as suggested by a kind soul here. I may just go ahead and see if I can repair the PS, as it did not smoke when it went out, it just popped, so it may be possible as someone suggested that it's just a fuse inside the PS. I now have to locate a special hex screw driver, as the screws are hex with a tiny post in the middle of the screw. However is it anything more than just a Intel Pentium 90 that has 6 SCSI 2.25 Gig hard drives on it ? Can it do anything special other than run RAID ? Thanks again for everyones comments.. Phil..

23 years, 4 months

Keys needed for Data I/O programmer

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, I have a Data I/O 201 EPROM burner that needs some repairs to the keypad. It is missing the 1, 4, and 7 keytops, along with the white plastic pieces that fit under the keys, and keep the contacts open. Does anyone have a dead Data I/O 201 (or similar) that they'd be willing to pitch in my direction? I suppose I should call Data I/O for parts, but I haven't tried them yet... Thanks! Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

23 years, 4 months

Seen on RISKS-L

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > NASA hasn't lost data, it's lost the will to hire and > > retain talented people who can make things work. Just > > like everyplace else in this whacko economy... > > No arguing with that, but I think this particular example is real. The > problem is oversimplified and understated with the phrase "forgotton file > format" - if I'm remembering the incident accurately, it was more a case > of "obsolete media format" - 200 bpi *7* track tape, once common. Oh, it can be worse- CDC used to have 1-inch, 14-track drives, too... > I heard about this project during the 1995-1996 austral summer. > > -ethan > > P.S. - it was reminscent of the problems of reading the 1960 census. Like many genealogists, I'm still moaning the burning of the federal copies of the 1890 census. Can't tell you how many people would give up years of their lives to have that data. Each county should have kept their own originals, and each state should have kept a copy of their state's. But very little has ever surfaced other than the federal ones. OTOH, Harrison County, Indiana, where my ancestors settled after leaving the Shenandoah Valley, managed to finds its 1810 census, and hardly any region can find those anymore...

23 years, 4 months

New aquisition: Texas Instruments TI 980A

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

Just got a strange little toy from a friend who dug it out of a warehouse today... a TI 980A. I found a little bit on Al Kossow's Orphan page; does anyone know of any other sources for info on the 'net? It appears to be a 16-bit mini from 1972, 4Kwords to 32Kwords (mine has 8KW) with a variety of period peripherals available. Mine has an I/O card, a TTY card and a homemade card that extends the DMA slot and takes the signals over to a rack-mounted tray that is about 2.5 sq ft. of wire wrap sockets and chips dating from 1970 to 1993 (it was apparently in service somewhat recently I'm told). The CPU is on two cards plus a memory controller. That's about all I have on it at the moment. Oh! It does have toggle switches and blinkenlights. Here's what I could glean by reading numbers off of cards... "Arithmetic Unit 1" - assy 960754-0001E Board No 960755-001C "Arithmetic Unit 2" - assy 960751-0001G Board No 960752-001C "1103 Memory" - assy 226844-004N/RS Logic 226846-F (8K) "Memory Controller" - assy 960746-0001E Logic 960777-A "TTY interface" - assy 217394-0001H Logic 217359-F "I/O interface" - assy 960757-0001A Logic 960759 Anybody else out there have one? My friend is going to keep digging in the warehouse this month; he suspects he knows where some docs are, but he's not sure. -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/

23 years, 4 months

photo of an 11/70 rack header panel please

by tuban＠cisco.com

Hello, I am looking for a nice clear and clean digital photo of the PDP 11/70 specific rack header (logo) panel, of the purple variety. I have an 11/70 in need of the correct panel and I have a blank panel from some other company, so I want to create a temporary panel until I can locate a real one... Thanks in advance! Please send the photo off-line, unless there is more interest than just my own. --tnx --tom

23 years, 4 months

What would a 20th Anniversary pdp11/93 be worth?

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Hrm. Question I got in the mail today: (combination of three emails I got from him..) >I have the 20th Anniversary PDP 11/83 that I won at the 1989 DECUS in >New Orleans. I have RSTS/E 10.0-L running on it. It had been sitting >since 1992 and I booted it up about 4 months ago and it has been running >since. > >I'm kind of partial to it. I go back to 1981 in RSTS/E with a PDP 11/70. >I would like to know how valuable it is? > >It is painted Black and has the 20th Anniversary PDP logo on both sides >and the front of it. And I probably have the shipping papers that came >with it. Thoughts? What *would* a machine like this be worth? Bill (BTW, I'm looking for an 11/73, /83, or /93...) -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

23 years, 4 months

Teac FD-55B Floppy Oddity

by jcwren＠jcwren.com

My Otronas have FD-55B-01-U drives in them. I thought the drives were fried, since they wouldn't work on the Otrona nor on the PC, but in dinking around, I determined that on at least one drive (and probably the other), the head load solenoid is not pulling in. I see power being applied, but it only looks like +5V. I don't have schematics, and I'm not ready to risk wrecking the drives determining the following question: Should the solenoids pull in on +5 or +12? If I'm seeing +5, I suspect the solenoid driver transistor could be cooked. The solenoid coil is intact, as I'm seeing 44 ohms across it, out of circuit. In either case, I don't feel even the lightest twitch when it's supposed to pull in (and the jumper is in place, for load on motor select). Does anyone have any FD-55B (these are the 360K DS-DD 48 TPI) drives they'd like to part with, either to see an Otrona running, or in exchange for ye olde green stuffe? --John

23 years, 4 months

Old escala DPX 201

by hstaffa＠ix.netcom.com

I am trying to no evail find out what a honeywell bull escala dpx201 takes for memory ? Can anyone help

23 years, 4 months

Here's a link you all might like....

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Dave McGuire wrote: > > > Are you suggesting that the embassy is staffed by a bunch of > > dickheads? > > <playing straight man for Dave> > > You know who was the world's first computer operator? If you say Richard Head you will get one virtual nerf brick tossed in your direction immediately... 8-> -dq

23 years, 4 months

It's ALIVE!!! (Mark-8)

by bill_r＠inebraska.com

I bought one of the Mark-8 (8008) board sets from eBay 2 or 3 weeks ago, scrounged up all the parts, and set to work. It had non-plated-through holes so almost all the components had to be soldered on both sides of the board, and there were dozens of vias that had to be soldered in on each board as well. Did the smoke test with no CPU. No smoke, so I inserted the CPU, and it works! I found two problems on initial testing. There was a bad gate in a 7404 which was pulling down one of the data lines (replaced it), and I had missed a "top bus" jumper from the address/multiplex board to the memory board which allowed writes to memory (added a wire). That was it! It's pretty cool - just toggled in a test program and watched the lights blink as it looped over and over. Now I have to build a case and find a better power supply than my bench supply for permanent use, and then I start wire-wrapping an ELF! Whee!

23 years, 4 months

OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Guys, I've just had a conversation with the guy who originally told me about this product, and he had this to say (posted with his permission, of course): -----Original Message----- From: Brass Christof [mailto:welcome@spam.not] Yup, I stated so and I still remember that it was advertised by *NeXT*! At that time I was already a VMS afficionado but new to NeXTSTEP and wondered on which systems the applications could be run. And voil? - VMS was listed. Unfortunately I'm not sure at the moment whether it was VAX or Alpha but I assume it was Alpha. And I still have the flyer around somewhere but I don't think you'll be able to buy/get it. Good luck anyway! ------------------------- He also mentioned that it may have been and "in progress" port with a set release date that he saw, and that it was only the libraries, etc, so that you could compile NeXT stuff on VMS, but not develop it. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 4 months

Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Where has rail been ripped up? I've never heard of that > happening. Is it a national trend? Of course, I'm aware of it primarily through local examples, but the local newspapers have run articles about how this is happening throughout the nation.... the midwest probably has more miles ot track to rip up, though... Recently, efforts have been underway to try to reclaim some abandoned right-of-way and use it to create light rail (i.e. trolley) lines... Once upon a time, there was a B&O spur that ran in front of the home I lived in as a child (not far from here)... Dad and I would walk one direction as far as the floodwall, and the other direction usually only as far as a small drug store that sold hot mixed nuts. Remember hot mixed nuts, hot peanuts, etc? Just a short walk further (which we never did) you'd find the coal company who used to deliver the coal by which we used to heat that house (did a natural gas conversion in '64 just before we moved out). But all that line is not greeway, replete with joggers... :( -dq

23 years, 4 months

New aquisition: Texas Instruments TI 980A

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Ethan hollered: > Anybody else out there have one? My friend is going to keep digging in > the warehouse this month; he suspects he knows where some docs are, but > he's not sure. Nope... but bacmk in '74, IU borrowed one of these from the Chemistry department, and with the help of en electronic engineer/Chemist who worked there, developed a TTL-to-CDC 6000 Direct Channel interface in order to use the TI as a front-end processor for the 6600. It worked very well, and the computer center tried to get one budgeted, but in the long run, they ended up with a Modcomp II instead. However, due to its historical important in IU's computer center development, it's on my watch list. So if you get tired of it...

23 years, 4 months

info on Intel 86/330 computer?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I just finished picking up four Intel Multibus computers. The labels on them say "sys 86/330" or "psyp 86/330". Is anyone familar with them? I searched Google but didn't find much except that they're not Y2K compatible. (surprise, surprise!) These have a six slot Multibus card rack inside with hard drive controller card with floppy drive daughter board, 256k memeory card, intel iSBC 86/30 CPU (8086) card with 8087 NDP daughterboard installed. They aslo have an 8" floppy drive and HAD an 8" hard drive (removed :-( Thery're in steel cases that measure about 14"w x 14"h x 20" deep and are painted a yellowish white color. Any info would be appreciated. Joe

23 years, 4 months

Thinning the heard...

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Available for pickup only. -Pro350 in Floor stand case with Venix installed. No monitor/keyboard. Working system. -Pro380, untested believed working. No tube or keyboard. Due to size and weight, Pick up only. Location Framinham MA OR Hudson NH (real close to Nashua) for pick up. I'm limiting myself to only Qbus PDP-11s for my PDP-11 amusement and because the cards used are also Qbus VAX compatable. First come... Allison

23 years, 4 months

Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to Yates Center, KS?

by vcf＠vintage.org

We're now in the planning phases for moving Jim Willing's Computer Garage >from Oregon to Kansas. We're currently looking for the best equipment option for moving. Jim says he probably needs a 24 foot truck. He's currently looking at U-Haul, which is always a cheap solution, but he's stuck right now hassling with them over some issues from a prior moves where the trucks broke down (U-Haul trucks are deathtraps on wheels). There are a few other truck rental places we're going to try to get quotes >from (Ryder is asking around $1,500, we haven't checked Budget or Penske yet), but I was wondering if anyone had any other suggestions? Jim's original plan was to load the Computer Garage contents into the truck and then tow his Suburban from the truck. I am suggesting that he rent or even buy a big trailer and use the Suburban to haul the trailer. Jim is going to ask some of these places if they will rent trailers one way (I don't see why not). I think my suggestion to buy a trailer would be cool if he can't since it may be cheaper than renting a truck, and he can always use it for other stuff, or sell it when he gets back to Kansas. Any suggestions are appreciated. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 4 months

OpenSTEP for VMS

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> I have heard that OpenSTEP ran on VMS (Alpha) at one point. > > Having never heard of, nor seen this, I am curious, and would > like to acquire a copy of this miraculous thing to run at home > (on a hopefully soon-to-be-had DEC 3000, using the VMS hobbyist > license...) > > Does anyone have any idea where to get it? > > Chris First I've heard of it. It primarily ran on NeXT hardware (of course), x86 systems, and had limited support for HP and Sparc. I've *never* heard VMS mentioned as having any sort of an OPENSTEP environment. Zane

23 years, 4 months

Weird 7410

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 6, 14:52, William Donzelli wrote: > > I was just reading a bit on TTL while looking for something else. > > In 1965 a 7400 gate was $20 and Candy bars 5 cents. > > Probably not 7400 series (earliest 7400 series I have are from late 1968). > There were a number of logic families that were out in the mid-1960s. Yes, > in 1965 I can believe $20 per chip! Texas started selling 7400-series TTL in flat-pack packages in October 1964 and in DIP packages in March 1966. So says my Texas "Designing with TTL Integrated Circuits" dated 1971, and also TI's history pages. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 4 months

New aquisition: Texas Instruments TI 980A

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 6, Ethan Dicks wrote: > Just got a strange little toy from a friend who dug it out of a warehouse > today... a TI 980A. I found a little bit on Al Kossow's Orphan page; does > anyone know of any other sources for info on the 'net? Pics! Pics!! -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

23 years, 4 months

Apple Network Server (AIX) V4.1.5 CD Pack on ebay

by fernande＠internet1.net

I know there are a few people that are interested in Apple Network servers, so I though I would point this auction out. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2006138367 Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

23 years, 4 months

Hosting Recommendations

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Well, I guess I shouldn't bitch *too* loudly: both of those activities are expressly prohibited by "Acceptable Use" policies. Phooey. They have a monopoly (Sprint Wireless Data is a joke), and they know it. They can do pretty much whatever they want. I hope SBC kicks their sorry ass when they start running DSL out this way, sometime late this year . . . Jeff On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:56:01 -0600 (CST) Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> writes: > > I forgot to be fair. On a commercial RR account, incoming http & > ftp > are not blocked. You just aren't supposed to run a webserver or ftp > site. > > Doc > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

23 years, 4 months

Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR toYates

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> >Where has rail been ripped up? I've never heard of that happening. Is >it a national trend? Try around NY, Boston and east coast in general, especially the metro regions. Many of the rails have been abandoned over the last 50 years and are being removed infavor of many uses from trails to roads. A big waste if you ask me. Allison

23 years, 4 months

Weird 7410

by aw288＠osfn.org

I have a weird TTL here - a brand I have never seen. It is marked FJH121/7410N witha 6920 datecode, and the logo is a diamond with an "A" inside. Japanese, perhaps? I have seen that logo before... Ideas? William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

23 years, 4 months

Thinning collection

by jfoust＠threedee.com

I'm expanding my business, clearing out the old shipping room and treating my packrat affliction, so some stuff must go! Pickup preferred; I may ship smaller items. I'm in Jefferson, Wisconsin, halfway between Madison and Milwaukee, about 35 minutes from each. Payment in chocolate, good beer or dollars. Any offers will be considered. Kaypro 1 system, with manuals and software. Probably working. VaxStation 3500 in BA213 case. VR-160 RGB monitor w/cables. Mouse, keyboard. Probably working, with VMS on HD, no manuals. (2) Vaxstation 2000, the little ones. Unknown state. AT&T System V Rel 3 source code for 3B2 Unix on a 9-track tape, and several dozen distribution floppies probably from the same 3B2. Micro PDP-11, unknown state. Microvax II, unknown state. TK50-D drive, unknown state. Bunch of TK50 carts that were probably used with MicroVAX: MicroVAX v4.6 Full bin MicroVAX v4.6 mand update MicroVAX v4.6 VMS lic key Appletalk for VMS v2.0.6 & 2.1, another 3.0b2 OVMS VAX v6.0a MUP VMS v5.5 bin, and mand update Odesta HelixVMX More to come, perhaps. - John

23 years, 4 months

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