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%20ECL%20Logic%20%20-%20not%20ten%20yeas%20old?

by Gordo61＠aol.com

Like to find out more about this (old) message about surplus 95H90's gordo61(a)aol.com

23 years, 10 months

HP 715/64 keyboard adaptor

by spc＠conman.org

I'm not sure if this is 10 years old or not, but given that it's not an Intel based system, I'm sure I can slide it by. My roommate just aquired an HP 715/64 but no keyboard. It doesn't take the standard HP keyboard but instead has a 10-pin connector (looks like a 10/100Base-T connector, but has 10 pins) and from searching, it looks like it requires a special keyboard adaptor to use an HP or PC keyboard. Anybody know anything about these? Where he could get one? Maybe make one? -spc (Thanks)

23 years, 10 months

SimH on Win2K

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> If you want to be bold, use the Intel compiler. It is freely distributed > for Linux systems and as a 30 day evaluation for Windows. SIMH really > buzzes when compiled with it. > > -- hbp Have you tried this with more than just the VAX version of SIMH? I'm wondering how much of an improvement I'd see with the PDP-11 version of SIMH, and KLH10 (KLH's PDP-10 emulator). Does the compiler put any kind of a time limit on how long you can run the executables that you generate? Zane

23 years, 10 months

".gz" files

by jhfinepw4z＠compsys.to

I need some help. Jay West has kindly posted the file "rt11freewarev2.iso.gz" at: http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RT-11/freeware-CDS/images/ "rt11freewarev2.iso.gz" is about 171 Mbytes in size. It is my understanding that the full size file "rt11freewarev2.iso" is exactly 671,088,640 bytes in size which is the CD for the RT11 Freeware CD produced by Tim Shoppa. However, when the download of the "rt11freewarev2.iso.gz" file is complete, I end up with a file that is 687,282,673 bytes which is different in size and can NOT be identical to the full size (and correct - Tim Shoppa used to have the full size image at his site and I downloaded it before it was changed to a ".bz2" image) image of the actual CD. I am using Windows 98 SE/Netscape 4.78 and the normal WinZip in case that is part of the problem. Jay has told me: "I spent about 6 hours this morning redownloading (from Tim's site) all 3 freeware cd's, uncompressing them, recalculating MD5 hashes, and rezipping them. The files I just downloaded compare identically with the files on Tim's site, AND those files compare identically to the files I have had on my server for the past few weeks that you already downloaded. I even downloaded those files from my server to my windows pc across the net like everyone else would, and they uncompress and compare identially to the ones on Tim's site. The files on my server have been completely correct since day 1. I don't know what happened on your end when you downloaded the files, but I can assure you what is (and has been) on my site is a correct identical copy of Tim's." I am confident that Jay is correct and that there is something I don't understand with what takes place when I do my download. Can anyone suggest to me what I am doing wrong? PLEASE!! Sincerely yours, Jeremy Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

23 years, 10 months

Network card for LaserJet

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

At 10:30 AM 6/14/02 -0400, you wrote: > F.Y.I. - My Cabletron MRXI hubs have RJ-45 sockets, for hooking up >to a serial VT420 terminal... :) > But, yes, I agree. Those hubs are the only time _I've_ seen RJ-45 >used for serial communication. Many terminal servers use RJ45 for serial

23 years, 10 months

iAPX 432 (was Re: 88000 machines)

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 6/14/02 4:54:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eric(a)brouhaha.com writes: > AFAIK, the last customer release of CDS-432 was release 2.7, which > supported the release 3.2 chips. Intel continued development in house > in support of the Intel/Siemens joint venture (later commercially named > "BiiN"). There were release 3.3 chips, and probably software to support > them, but they were not available to customers. > > I have not been able to obtain a complete copy of any release of > CDS-432 or iMAX-432, nor I have found the diagnostics or DEBUG-432. > I keep hoping that copies of this stuff will turn up eventually, but > things look pretty grim... > > Grim is right. Intel was extremely dedicated to destroying SW. When we were buying from them in that time period we never got any SW. Saw large bins of Intel disks on their way to destruction. Sad. I have the pinboard tester for the Biin CPU card. It came out surplus in a later lot we did not have to certify destruction on. I have full docs on it too. It is a classic museum piece, and I bet nearly the only piece of Biin left. I will try to get pictures up within the next few weeks. It is buried in storage. Paxton Astoria, OR

23 years, 10 months

88000 machines

by coredump＠gifford.co.uk

All this mention of Motorola's 88000 RISC chip has made me wonder what machines were built around it. Did Data General make anything with it? Was there a Motorola development system? One of my collecting goals is to acquire an example of each of the microprocessor acrhitectures. Now 6502, 8080, 6809, 68000, and so on are easy. What about the Z8000? The 32032 (I do have a Whitechapel)? The 88000? The iAPX432? -- John Honniball coredump(a)gifford.co.uk

23 years, 10 months

Network card for LaserJet

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Jim Arnott > > Thanks. > > Never seen Serial RJ-45 ports before > > Jim > F.Y.I. - My Cabletron MRXI hubs have RJ-45 sockets, for hooking up to a serial VT420 terminal... :) But, yes, I agree. Those hubs are the only time _I've_ seen RJ-45 used for serial communication. -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

23 years, 10 months

Mac Color Classic II

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Perhaps it was a part of the OS install on later MacOS versions? Most of the optional items were wrapped into the mail installer starting with OS 8, so I was probably thinking of that rather than 7.5.5 when I said to check the custom install. >Now, a new problem. When I try and run the 7.5.5 upgrade, it starts to >install (with the progress meter), and then says that it can't be >installed and aborts. I downloaded it from the Apple 'Older Software >Downloads' page on apple's site, and the Disk Copy images >checksum-verify ok. Um... does it give you any kind of a reason why it can't install? (any kind of error message?). I don't notice anything that jumps out in Apple's TIL about it, but you might try restarting with extensions off, and then run the updater (restart holding down SHIFT until you get the Welcome To Mac screen) It has been a LONG time since I tried to do a 7.5.3 install and then a .5 update. I have a 7.5.5 Installer CD that I have been using since I got it, and that does the 7.5.3 install, followed directly by the .5 update, so it never seems to have problems. (and I never stop at .3, as .3 was pretty buggy, with .5 fixing much of the problems). It is possible that the Text To Speech installed something that the .5 updater can't get past. Is it possible for you to start over and do the 7.5.3 followed by .5 before installing anything else? Worst case, I can dub you that 7.5.5 install CD and mail it down to you. Now that 7.5.5 is available on Apple's site for free, I don't think there would be any legal issues with me doing that (or at least not ones that Apple would care about persuing). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 10 months

SimH on Win2K

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> > > Bob Supniks excellent emulator (VAX along with many PDPs > > Is this what happened to Charon-VAX... someone else > perfected the commodity so the also-rans gave up? > I had heard that C-V never got up much steam. > > John A. CHARON-VAX is still around http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/index.htm however, unlike Bob's emulators, it's a commercial product. The Hobbyist version of CHARON-VAX has about the same features as SIMH (I think SIMH supports more devices). However, the commercial version of CHARON-VAX is currently the best product[1], unfortunatly, it costs FAR more than an equivalent VAX! Zane [1] Only the commercial versions of CHARON-VAX have ethernet support.

23 years, 10 months

Mac Color Classic II

by mythtech＠mac.com

>> Yes, it can talk. Actually, the 128k Mac can talk with the right version >> of MacInTalk (anyone remember the Talking Moose). > >Neat. I think the first real use of MacInTalk I ever saw (beyond Talking Moose, which was the first place I saw it at all, but I considered that a "show off the technology" app) was in the game Captain Magneto (which I never did solve, anyone know how to get the laser gun out of the room on the island?) >I did a custom install, but don't remember seeing it. Where is it/can I >download a copy to install from Apple's downloads site or something? It might have been an optional installer rather than being part of the main OS installer as a custom item. If you have a 7.5 CD, check some of the optional items on it. I would check my 7.5.5 CD, but I forgot it at home (and didn't bother checking last night like I should have) It should be listed as Text-To-Speech or PlainTalk, or you can download the PlainTalk 1.5 installers from Apple's web site. That includes the Text-To-Speech installer. You want to install MacInTalk 2 (there are 3 versions, 2, 3, and Pro. 2 is the one that will probably work best on a Classic II, but 3 might also work, you can try it. Pro is for 040's or PPCs) You can find a list of the older Apple software at: <http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html> Click the link for System Software Downloads (or just scroll down about 2/3's of the page). Then in that list, scroll to the bottom of it. You will find a little ways up from the bottom of the list is "Macintosh/System/Speech/PlainTalk_1.5", the list is alphabetical. You will want the 5 "English_TTS" disks (unless you want to hear your Mac talk in spanish, in which case get the 3 "Mexican_TTS" disks as well. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 10 months

88000 machines

by carlos_murillo＠epm.net.co

At 07:22 AM 6/14/02 -0700, you wrote: > You probably mean a DECStation 2100 or 3100. Those are both R2000 >based, only difference between 2100 and 3100 is that the 2100 runs at 12 MHZ >and the 3100 at 16. NetBSD supports them quite well. Probably the fastest >small workstation at the time they came out (1989). They look like, and use >the same (or very similar) case, power supply, peripherals, as VS3100/30/38. Of course, silly me. I meant the 2100. carlos. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

23 years, 10 months

New IBM system stores 25 times as much data as hard drives

by foo＠siconic.com

Here's a new technology with a classic twist: http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/3444884.htm IBM invented a medium based in part on scanning electronic microscope technology that creates tiny indentations or holes on a polymer. Each whole is "half a billionth of an inch" in diameter. The storage density is purported to be 25 times that of current hard disk technology (200 CD ROMs on a stamp). This is amazing. The technology is being compared to punch cards. Check out the article above soon as the full-text goes away after a day or so. I see this as one of the most significant inventions of the modern (i.e. < 10 years) computer age because it represents a high-density, long term storage media that can be reliably used for non-volatile archival data storage. And based on mechanical technology. Who woulda thunk? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 10 months

No IMSAI on ebay

by emu＠ecubics.com

Richard Erlacher wrote on june 13, 1988: > > That's particulary so when one considers that most S-100 hardware was really > not Imsai-comaptible due to timing problems. Talking about timing, you email was sent 14 years ago ;-)

23 years, 10 months

Mounting tapes on VMS *AAARRRRRRGGGHHHHHH*

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

erf. I've done just about everything I can think of to mount TK50 tapes on my MicroVax (and also on my TK70 on the 4000), and I keep getting the "%MOUNT-I_OPRQST, Please mount device" error. I've tried mounting the tapes with "/FOREIGN" as well - no luck. If I try mounting the tapes with the "/NOASSIST" option - I get the "%MOUNT-F-VOLINV, volume is not software enabled" error. I'm running VMS 6.1. Any ideas? I've tried a half-dozen tapes on both drives with no luck. In fact, there is no tape drive activity at all when the mount command is given. I have been trying to "allocate" the drives beforehand, with no luck in mounting. AGH! Am I doing something dumb? I've been searching the 'NET and "Googling" this problem to death - but I've been following all of the examples. Any ideas? Thanks! - Matt Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/subscribe_t&c.html. "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

23 years, 10 months

Network card for LaserJet

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

I used to work at a law office that had an AT&T Starserver. It had two "concentrators" that each could attach to two 12 port (IIRC) serial "hubs". The serial lines went to terminals and printers, and used RJ-45's with TP wiring. Bob -----Original Message----- From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:30 AM To: 'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org' Subject: RE: Network card for LaserJet > From: Jim Arnott > > Thanks. > > Never seen Serial RJ-45 ports before > > Jim > F.Y.I. - My Cabletron MRXI hubs have RJ-45 sockets, for hooking up to a serial VT420 terminal... :) But, yes, I agree. Those hubs are the only time _I've_ seen RJ-45 used for serial communication. -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

23 years, 10 months

Mounting tapes on VMS *AAARRRRRRGGGHHHHHH*

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>I've done just about everything I can think of to mount TK50 tapes on my MicroVax (and also >on my TK70 on the 4000), and I keep getting the "%MOUNT-I_OPRQST, Please mount >device" error. > > > >If I try mounting the tapes with the "/NOASSIST" option - I get the "%MOUNT-F-VOLINV, >volume is not software enabled" error. > /NOASSIST is what you want. Otherwise it is asking an operator (human being) to go off and put the tape in the appropriate device and let the system know when it is in there. You could have done this and then issued the appropriate REPLY command, but on the whole /NOASSIST is much easier. > > I get VOLINV when (from memory) either the tape is not in properly (are the appropriate lights lit?) or I have an unlabelled, unitialised tape. Try $MOUNT/FOREIGN/NOASSIST device: and see what it thinks the volume label is. If you have a scratch tape, you could try: $ INIT device: MY_LABEL $ MOUNT/NOASSIST device: MY_LABEL and see what happens. Make sure it really is a scratch tape though, otherwise the data that was on it will be permanently lost. Antonio

23 years, 10 months

IMSAI News?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Today, I noticed a link on Slashdot about the IMSAI > Series Two at www.imsai.net. Shipping in July. It > LOOKS real, but there are mostly drawings and not > pictures. Uses a Z80 successor CPU. Switching power > supply, though. $995. Still the beautiful front panel > that was as good as most mini's. Frankly, I find this > price hard to believe - too low, given the super > quality of the original machine and the volume this > might be made in. I was looking at the site myself earlier. Most of the cost looks to be from the front panel, and aparently that $995 gets you a pretty bare bones system. I think the disk controller and stuff is extra. Any idea how legit they are? I'm tempted to order the metal piece I needfor the front so I can convert my rack mount case to a tabletop. > Does even discussing this violate the 10 year rule? Not if the "so cool it's already classic" rule is still in effect :^) Sort of like a BeBox is more or less ontopic or NeXT HW was a few years ago :^) Zane

23 years, 10 months

Mac Color Classic II

by mythtech＠mac.com

>I was wondering... it it capable of 'talking' since it has a 68030 and >built-in speaker? I just installed MacOS 7.5.3 onto it and haven't seen >anything related to speech, and the 'Speak' options in SimpleText are >greyed out. Is there something else I need to do to get it to work? [Yes, >I'm going to update to MacOS 7.5.5.] Yes, it can talk. Actually, the 128k Mac can talk with the right version of MacInTalk (anyone remember the Talking Moose). You need to make sure MacInTalk is installed. I don't think it was a default part of 7.5, so you may have to do a custom install to get it. If MacInTalk is installed, and you still can't talk, let me know, I'll throw 7.5 on a Classic II and see what's up. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 10 months

Mac Color Classic II

by mythtech＠mac.com

> On this particular desk, for the benefit of the clients (to keep them >occupied and out of the mixer's hair) was a Mac SE running (among other >amusements) a copy of MacPlaymate, and early soft-core 'porn' game. One >of it's attributes was, that as long as the program was launched, it would >grab the speaker and purr lascivious nothings at random intervals. My copy doesn't make noise :-( I guess maybe I'm just not treating her right. Although this does remind me of one of the MANY occasions I got in trouble in high school. I was in a "Computer Music" class, and we were using Mac SEs. Since my lab partner and I were way ahead of the rest of the class (he was a die hard musician, and I knew the Mac and MIDI like the back of my hand), I brought my MacRecorder into class, we hooked it up, and started recording our own samples for our compositions. Well, one of them "accidentally" got left as the alert sound on the Mac. It was a nice clear mix of my partner and my voices going "PENIS.... Wheeeee" (hey, I was in High School, immaturity was in) The Band instructor was in that afternoon trying to use a Mac to write a letter of recommendation for a student... whose parents were there with them. Since he knew almost nothing about computers, he was making quite a few mistakes... with each one getting a solid "PENIS... Wheee" sound. Needless to say, when we showed up for class the next day, we just about had our heads bit off by the Band instructor... and it was all we could do from laughing our asses off at him as he was relaying the events to us in that ever so parental "I'm very pissed off" tone. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 10 months

Mac Color Classic II

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I was wondering... it it capable of 'talking' since it has a 68030 and built-in speaker? I just installed MacOS 7.5.3 onto it and haven't seen anything related to speech, and the 'Speak' options in SimpleText are greyed out. Is there something else I need to do to get it to work? [Yes, I'm going to update to MacOS 7.5.5.] Thanks -- Pat

23 years, 10 months

I hate Radio Shack

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

I had a 12-in-1 RS kit, but that was back (ca. 1960) when you had to _solder_ the connections (and unsolder them to change from one project to another). It also used 120V, one tube, and no transisters. Great fun, though. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Arnott [mailto:jrasite@eoni.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 11:11 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: I hate Radio Shack Carlos, FWIW, that kit is still in production and is used in the local jr. college's Intro to Electricity course. Jim Carlos Murillo wrote: > But, going back to the original topic, as much as I also hate RS, > I have fond, lasting memories of my "150 in 1" electronic projects > kit. It was the best present that an uncle [1] could give to a 12 year > old. >

23 years, 10 months

HSC Stuff Possibly Available in MI

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Oops, Michigan even... *sigh*.. this has not been my day. Will J _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

23 years, 10 months

HSC Stuff Possibly Available in MI

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Aren't TA91s DEC versions of one of those freakish IBM 36-track tape cartridge drives? Damn me, for not living near Ohio. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

23 years, 10 months

Non-DEC SCSI tape drives with VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Lafleur [mailto:bob_lafleur@technologist.com] > Has anyone successfully used non-DEC SCSI tape (cartridge) drives with > VMS? If so, what types have you been successful with? Travan? > DAT? 8mm? > Which models? Used an HP DDS drive. No problem, but I don't remember the model. I know of an Exabyte "Eliant something-or-other" D8 drive that was used on a VMS system. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL "Confutatis maledictus, flammis acribus addictus, voca me cum benedictis. Oro supplex et acclinis, cor contritunt quasi cinis, gere curarn mei finis." -Requiem

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