Tony
> How much memory? My 9817 has 2 megabytes.
Should be ample.
> Of course the drive unit in the 9154 is very much HP custom, with a
> _strange_ interface (parallel 8 bit data bus for head
> positioning/control, and then the raw data lines for read/write). So no
> real chance of using something else there.
>
> How useful is a hard drive? I know the previous owner of my 9817 ran it
> from a 9122 floppy drive only.
Convenience, I suppose, to eliminate disk swapping / floppy drive wear /
grease problem. My 9153 continues to function, and I am religious about
cleaning the floppy drive. And using new or newish floppy disks.
Regards,
Peter
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 07:47:11 +0100
From: Gordon JC Pearce <gordon at gjcp.net>
Subject: Re: Commodore keyboards and PCs
>M H Stein wrote:
>> Not to take any business away from Jim and they are a little expensive,
>Erm... If you just wanted to encode switch presses to a PS/2 input, why
>not just buy an el-cheapo keyboard for about ?2 from your friendly
>neighbourhood computer shop and set about it? Bit better than the $100...
>Gordon
-------------Reply:
True enough, but you don't have the look & feel or the C64 key labels & layout;
I think the idea is to use a defunct C64 and use it as a keyboard for the emulator.
In fact, since it's a snap to upload different conversion tables into it you could use
it for several different emulators of systems using RS-232 or matrix (and probably ASCII as well) keyboards, all on the same computer; just plug in the appropriate
keyboard, upload the matching table and it's just like the real thing but without the
"real" hardware.
Also I thought I'd mention it for the RS-232<>PC keyboard option, something I've
found useful for several applications; interfacing to otherwise inaccessible
systems and replacing terminal keyboards are two examples.
Finally, the folks at Hagstrom have always been friendly & helpful and I thought
I'd give 'em a plug :)
m
Hi folks,
I was wondering if anyone has any data on
the Dymo Labelwriter 330 Turbo?
I would like to use it with my Amiga 600, but
alas Dymo haven't made a driver for it!
I tried writing to them attempting to get some
technical documents on the printer with no
luck.
Has anyone attempted to write (or written)
a driver for it for retro computers?
Does anyone have one and (sorry!) a PC/laptop? I nee
d some kind person to intercept and
retrieve the data sent from the PC to the
printer when printing a blank label and a
completely black label, so I can compare the
data between the two.
Regards,
Andrew B
aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk
Thanks to tremendous help from several folks I've isolated my formatting
problem.
Turns out to be a hardware issue with the DY1: drive. I've tried
cleaning heads etc. The read/write boards are fine ( I swapped them
with my Decmate I to check).
So now I need a single drive for an RX02. Any idea's of a source?
Many thanks!
- Gary
Found on another list...
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Subject: [clue-tech] OT: Old equipment to give away / donate
Date: Sunday 24 September 2006 03:19 pm
From: "Chris N. Brown" <katanacb at comcast.net>
To: "CLUE tech" <clue-tech at cluedenver.org>
Sorry for the off-topic posting.
I've got some old Sun and Intel-based equipment that I'd like to get rid of.
I'm not sure if they are of value to anyone (if so, email me and I'll let you
know what I've got) but I was wondering if anyone had any ideas or
information on places to dispose of it all.
Things range from a Sun 17" monitor to misc peripherals to towers. I'm
planning to put an ad up on, say, craigslist saying "if you want them come
get them" but on the chance that no one does, was looking for some pointers
on proper disposal. (recycling, donation, give 'em to Goodwill, etc).
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Allison <ajp166 at bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>>Subject: Re: Bet you didn't know...(PDP-11)
>> From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com>
>> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:30:40 -0700
>> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>,
>>cctech at classiccmp.org
>>
>>At 7:09 AM -0400 9/19/06, Allison wrote:
>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>>Subject: Bet you didn't know...(PDP-11)
>>>> From: Julian Wolfe <fireflyst at earthlink.net>
>>>> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:07:49 -0500
>>>> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
>>>><cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>>>>
>>>>As of September 30, 2006, the last PDP-11 that rolled off the line
>>>>will finally be 10 years old.
>>>>
>>>>The PDP-11 EOL was actually September 30,1996.
>>>
>>>Mentec continued it and you can still buy new 11 based boards.
>>>
>>>Allison
>>
>>Is Mentec still selling them? From the last time I looked at the
>>website, it looked like they were only reselling emulators instead of
>>real hardware now.
>>
>>Still up until recently they were selling new boards.
>>
>> Zane
>
>
> They may well have stopped cpu production but only recently.The only CPUs
> that have been around near as long in production are:
>
> PDP-8 (cmos 6100 and 6120)
> 1802
> Z80
Well, you can maybe still buy Quckware PDP-11 boards, so there are still
new PDP-11 systems shipped. http://www.quickware.com/
Also, I'm not sure what I would call Strobe Data's Osprey systems...
(http://www.strobedata.com/)
But yeah, I think Mentec have stopped selling hardware.
None of the CPUs mentioned above comes near the PDP-11 in longevity,
even though they are long runners.
The best candidate is maybe the Z80, since it's still in production and
going strong. Not sure if the 1802 still is around, both the 1802 and
Z80 came years after the PDP-11. The PDP-8 systems stopped manufacturing
quite a while ago, and while they started before the PDP-11, I think the
PDP-11 have passed them now.
Johnny
I'm relearning RT-11 on an 11/23 I was kindly given (thanks David!).
I'm having trouble with the RX02 drives. I can boot RT11, and .format DY1:
About 1/3rd of the time I get an error while formatting, this is on
known good 8" SS/DD media that has been extensively tested on a CP/M
system in both SD and DD modes.
On media which does format fine, I get gobs of bad blocks using
.initialize/badblocks DY1:
The only media that seems to work fine is "real" RX02 media.
Is the RX02 incapable of formatting it's own media? Is there a common
hardware problem that I should look for? Filter caps? Clean the
stepper motor?
Many thanks.
- Gary
Hi Tony
> 1) What softwware do people recomend? HP BASIC looks reasonable,
> actually, it does at least support named procedures with formal
> parameters. Anything else reocmended?
HP BASIC is quick to put together and powerful. The documentation is good
and available (as you've seen, or got). I think the documentation was one of
HP's strong points with these machines.
HP Pascal gives you the speed, but you'll definitely need more memory ...
> 2) How much RAM do I reasonably need. If I pulled one of the 256K cards
> from the 9816 so I could add a DIO I/O card, would the machine still be
> useful?
My programming career started with HP9816s' with only the 256K on-board RAM;
that was using Basic 2 originally, then Basic 3. And we got by - the
company didn't want to spend any more than it had too! That was in civil
engineering & construction where we were able to put together costing,
critical path planning, and some envelope & pre-stress design software.
Whilst it is certainly constraining, so you'll probably be ok with one
add-on RAM card for a lot of things. Later on, I got involved with a land
surveying package, which besides being able to do a multitude of cadastral
calculations, included a fairly comprehensive CAD facility. That definitely
needed more RAM, and was standardised with a 1MB add-on card. For all above
software, the only IO we did was RS232 for HPGL plotting, so only needed the
built-in port.
> 3) I've been reading the 9836 service manual [2]. I makes reference to
> the 'Developer's Documentation' or some such, which apparently contains
> information for people who want to design DIO cards and/or port OS's to
> the machines. Does anyone have this (it's not on bitsavers or the
> Australian museum that I can see). It certainly sounds like something I
> should read if I can.
Haven't seen or heard of this.
> 4) Anything elase I need, or should keep an active lookout for?
Probably 913x/915x spare hard drives, unless you're able to get the drives
at http://www.bering.com/main.htm
Regards,
Peter Walker
--HP9000/200 tinkerer, and still looking for Pascal 3.1!
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>Subject: New find, Heathkit H89 computer.
> From: "Bob Shannon" <bshannon at tiac.net>
> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:44:31 -0400
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>
>I've just come across a new vintage system.
>
>I've been given a Heathkit H-89 computer with some documentation and one
>bootable diskette.
>
>Its booting HDOS, but I don't have any HDOS specific documentation, just the
>'Operation' and
>assembly manuals (the 'Operation' manual is really theory of operation
>material).
>
>Does anyone have the ability to make a set of 'distribution' HDOS disks
>(100K floppy)?
>
>Is CP/M also available, or the Heathkit diagnostics disk?
>
>I've not been able to find much HDOS documentation on-line, does anyone have
>pointers?
CP/M was available. One thing, which disk controller does it have? If
memory serves there were several different ones between heath and aftermarket.
Allison
>
Hi,
I have a Nova 3 that I would like to get to know a little better.
I do not have any manuals and a quick search came up with
a dead end.
Info on testing and how to interface to the console port ??
(external term). Is it TTY or RS232 and of coarse which
pins or ???
Bruce are you out there ???? ;-)
Below is the card lay out
Thanks, Jerry
Function MFG No. EK No.
-12 Transport 4190/4041/4044 063-130
-11 FMDET 4190/4041/4042/4044 063-147
-10 <- B side oneida, Vanes A side -> MBD 4042 063-131
-09
-08 Disk Cartridge Controller DG 6030
-07
-06
-05 Mos Memory DG 8543
-04 Cassette I/O DG 4075 4077 4078 4079
-03 Mos Memory DG 8543
-02 Nova 3 Triple options bd. DG 8553/8531/8535
-01 Nova 3 CPU DG 8530/8531 W/ARST. APL
Try the following link:
http://marina.mfarris.com/theref/theref.html
Text from the search engine:
> TheRef(tm) is also available in file form. The latest version is 4.5a,
> released on 6 May 1996, which is a partial update to the last full
> version, 4.3. ...
Has info on FDD, HD and optical drives. As it says above "available in
file form", but I did't look for it when I was there just now. If it
is not available anymore in file form, I have the files from downloading
them back in 1997.
Mike
> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:44:31 -0400
> From: "Bob Shannon" <bshannon at tiac.net>
> Subject: New find, Heathkit H89 computer.
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID: <001e01c6df72$d19c6030$0100a8c0 at screamer>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> I've just come across a new vintage system.
>
> I've been given a Heathkit H-89 computer with some
> documentation and one
> bootable diskette.
>
> Its booting HDOS, but I don't have any HDOS specific
> documentation, just the
> 'Operation' and
> assembly manuals (the 'Operation' manual is really theory of
> operation
> material).
>
> Does anyone have the ability to make a set of 'distribution'
> HDOS disks
> (100K floppy)?
>
> Is CP/M also available, or the Heathkit diagnostics disk?
>
> I've not been able to find much HDOS documentation on-line,
> does anyone have
> pointers?
>
>
Come on by and visit us at www.sebhc.org , a site dedicated to the
Heathkit 8-bit computers (mostly H8 and H89, but the 680x trainers as
well). We have extensive online archives with docs and software. Also,
be sure to take a look at Eric Rothfus' SVD ( www.thesvd.com/SVD ) which
includes HDOS and CP/M boot images ready to plug and ply on the H89.
Jack
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>Subject: Re: 360kB HH Floppy Drive
> From: "Charles E. Fox" <cfox1 at cogeco.ca>
> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:33:21 -0400
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>
>
> Is there any easy way of telling a 360 K from a 1.2 Meg? I
>have a bunch of 5 1/4 drives.
>
> Charlie Fox
Yes. The model numbers on the drive.
360k drives are 40 track, 2 sided 48tpi.
Here are a few...
For Teac:
FD55A Full height
FD55B 48tpi 40 track two sided
FD55c ????
FD55D ????
FD55E 96tpi 80 track single sided.
FD55F 96tpi 80 track two sided
FD55G 96tpi 80 track two sided dual speed
Fujitsu 2851A 40 track 2 sided
Toshiba 5425 40 track 2 sided
Shugart
SA400 35 track 1 side full height
SA400L 40 track 1 side full height
SA450 40 track 2 side full height
Allison
> From: Jim Brain <brain at jbrain.com>
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:10:39 -0500
> Subject: Re: Commodore keyboards and PCs
> Technically, C=Key is designed to work inside a perfectly functional C64
> or C128. If the 64 is on, it will convert PS2 inputs to C64 keypresses
> (in combination with the current 64 KB). If the 64 is off, it will
> convert the C64 KB actions to PS2 KB events.
I was thinking... isn't the PS/2 keyboard protocol simply a
low-bitrate serial protocol at TTL levels? Could the 6510 then not
act as the microcontroller?
That is, why not connect the user port to the PS/2 port and run a
program on the C64 to send the keypresses to the PC?
Of course, this runs dangerously into the direction of a "why use an
emulator if you have the real thing" kind of debate... :-)
Joe.
I seem to be getting interested in HP9000/200 stuff....
So far I've got (IIRC) :
HP9816 with the compact keyboard. This has 768K RAM (256K on the CPU
board, 2 off 256K RAM boards, one in each DIO slot).
HP9817 + HP-HIL keyboard and monitor. 2M RAM (2 off 1M RAM cards), text
and graphics video boards. And therefore 2 empty DIO slots, both with
external access [1]
[1] These machines have expansion slots called 'DIO'. Some cards have
brackets with connectors on them, for example an RS232 board. The spacing
of the slots in the backplane is half the height of the connector
bracket, so such cards go in every alternate slot. The intermediate slots
can be used for RAM cards, the DMA controller, and so on. The video card
in the 9817 takes a pair of slots, the text card has a bracked with
aBNC connector fro video output, the graphics card fits in the slot
immediately above it, and carries a ribbon cable that links to the text card.
HP9836A. This one is hard to get to at the moment, so I am working from
memory. I think it has 1M RAM (4 off 256K cards), and therefore 4
avaialbe DIO slots, all with external access. I have the monitor, and of
course it has 2 built-in 5.25" floppy drives.
Assorted DIO cards. The useful ones are a couple of GPIOs, a low-speed
HPIB DMA controller,, and an RS232 card. The last will almost certainly
end up in the 9836, which doesn't have RS232 as standard (my other 2
machines do).
As regards drives, I have a 9122 with the normal grease problem (hut the
heads are OK). I can probably find a few 9121a, a 9133H, and a 9154, if
they're going to be useful.
I also have HP BASIC 5.0 and 5.1 on original 3.5" disks.
I'll prboably use these machines (as far as I use them at all) in much
the way HP intended -- as control/logging systems.
Questions :
1) What softwware do people recomend? HP BASIC looks reasonable,
actually, it does at least support named procedures with formal
parameters. Anything else reocmended?
2) How much RAM do I reasonably need. If I pulled one of the 256K cards
>from the 9816 so I could add a DIO I/O card, would the machine still be
useful?
3) I've been reading the 9836 service manual [2]. I makes reference to
the 'Developer's Documentation' or some such, which apparently contains
information for people who want to design DIO cards and/or port OS's to
the machines. Does anyone have this (it's not on bitsavers or the
Australian museum that I can see). It certainly sounds like something I
should read if I can.
4) Anything elase I need, or should keep an active lookout for?
[2] Yes, it's a boardswapper guide. No, I don't approve of boardswapping.
But that doesn't mean I don't read the manuals. There are some useful
points in it.
-tony
>
>Subject: Re: CompuPro floppy controller differences
> From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 23:42:29 +0100 (BST)
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
>
>> >Are they really that common in the States? They are not at all common in
>> >the UK any more, so don't think of that as being a source for 50Hz pulleys...
>>
>> If you were her than 50hz pulleys are a non issue. ;)
>
>Sure, but if anyone was mad enough to bring their collection across to
>England, they would not be able to find the right pulleys...
>
>>
>> Lifes rough. The solution I used once for a 50hz and later a 400hz motor
>> was a simple transformer output pushpull amp fed with a wein bridge osc,
>
>Sure.
>
>I am told (and probably have the service sheet for) there was an AC/DC
>mains radiogram sold in the UK that had an AC motor for the record
>turntable. There was a unit, only used on DC mains, that consisted of 3
>valves, acting as an oscillator and push-pull output (the last 2 valves
>were probably 50L6s.). Of course there was no HT rectifier, since it was
>only used on DC mains (The radio/amplifier section was the normal
>series-string heaters and half-wave rectifier type of thing).
>
Not the same thing though may be the same idea. What I have is a unit I
designed as a variable frequency power source (115-125VAC) self contained
that runs off line power (has own PS) and run AC motors to 100W in the
range of 25-500hz. Very handy for older audio tape decks that are
slightly off speed or if you slew the tape while hearing it (off speed).
Mine is a proto I built 30 years ago and the production version was used
to run a 3M 1" 8track commercial deck for studio use. Many of the multitrack
decks had DC motor contros but not all. That variation allowed for a
computer interface to alter speed off spec to find and sync timecodes on
the tape. The controller also managed the deck for FF, forward, rewind,
speed select and stop. Very impressive to see two decks running 14 tracks
of music and this would sync both perfectly or offset as desired
(for effects). That system used sinewave drive to keep noise out of
the system as we found square waves worked fine but the amps and all
tended to hear it.. and harmonics of it.
I also have a smaller version that runs from 12V battery for smaller
motors to 30watts. Most motors tolerate a squware wave source so
efficientcy can be very high. The trick of running AC motors off
variable frequency also is used for my antenna rotator (ham radio) so
I can make large changes in azmuth with acceleration and deceleration
as most rotator are AC motors and the antennas have some interta
(15 and 18 foot booms). This also has a microcontroller (8749) to
manage the position and motor controls.
Doing it with a solidstate converter is far more efficient than motor
driven alternators for frequency conversion at low power. Much quieter
too. I've since seen the same thing for done for large (10hp and up)
motor controller.
The whole show comes from the days of doing audio consoles both analog
and early digital.
Obviously the method could also produce 230V AC if desired. So 50hz pulleys,
no problem!
Allison
intererted if it works...located in NE Pennsyltucky LOL
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>
>Subject: Re: CompuPro floppy controller differences
> From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:16:24 +0100 (BST)
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
>
>>
>> On Tuesday 19 September 2006 18:57, Tony Duell wrote:
>> > > I also have/had a horrible one, originating from a Philips mini (PTS6000)
>> > > which used 115VAC for one of the motors
>> >
>> > Most [1] 8" droves had mains-operated spindle motors, often 115V
>> > (although 230V versions did exist). Note that the spindle speed depends
>>
>> Actually, I've got one that is set to run on 240V, 60Hz. It's out of a
>
>Needless to say the voltage is not that critical. 220V, 230V, 240V are
>all the same :-)
>
>> (broken and now disassembled) IBM 3274 terminal controller (for the microcode
>> floppy, of course).
>>
>> > [2] One reason I wouldn't conssider moving my collection to the States.
>>
>> Oh come on, The Great Dr. Duell isn't afraid of replacing SMT chips on boards,
>> but is afraid of having to change a few pulleys? Something sounds fishy
>> here...
>
>Oh, I'd be happy to change the pulleys and reset the belt tensions. The
>problem is _getting_ the pulleys. Do you want to be the chap who phones
>Seagate and says 'Hello, I think you used to be Shugart, do you have the
>60Hz conversion kits for the SA801, SA851 and SA4000 in stock'
Pft! If you brought them here you'd find spares from used drives or even
working domestic versions. Non of those floppies are exactly rare and even
the SA4000 is still around.
Allison
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:13:18 +0100
From: Gordon JC Pearce <gordon at gjcp.net>
Subject: Re: Commodore keyboards and PCs
>>> Erm... If you just wanted to encode switch presses to a PS/2 input, why
>>> not just buy an el-cheapo keyboard for about ?2 from your friendly
>>> neighbourhood computer shop and set about it? Bit better than the $100...
>>
>>> Gordon
>>
>> -------------Reply:
>>
>> True enough, but you don't have the look & feel or the C64 key labels & layout;
>> I think the idea is to use a defunct C64 and use it as a keyboard for the emulator.
>That's why you use an el-cheapo keyboard and pull the board from it, and
>hook up your own matrix...
Ah, I misunderstood; I thought you meant just relabel the keys. Mind you, rewiring
the matrix would make the keyboard incompatible with the C64 (although it'd be a
relaxing project for a Saturday afternoon...)
I didn't mean that it _had_ to be defunct, just that if you only had a non-repairable C64
this'd be a good way to have its equivalent; if your PC had video out as many of them
do these days, you could even hook it up to a Commodore monitor for the real look&feel.
But if all you need is input from a few buttons or switches like for a dedicated MP3
player for example, using the guts from a keyboard is a quick & easy way to go
(as ethan described); have done that too for a few projects. Interesting to see how
they've shrunk over the years, from 2 or 3 LSI and a half-dozen TTL glue chips to
a tiny blob of epoxy...
mike
On Aug 19 2006, 9:38, Wolfe, Julian wrote:
> I got the 11/34 up and running, and I loaded XXDP. It fails the trap
> test. The instructions state you should examine the stack pointer
> (777706) which shows it to be a value of 000470. This is supposed to
> tell you the address of the Program Counter, right? So I load address
> 470, and the value is 000330. What instruction is failing? Am I
> reading this right?
Yes, the stack pointer points to the last address used on the stack,
and that will be the value of the PC when it called the error
subroutine, or to put it another way, the address of the next
instruction to be executed had the JSR not been taken. It's failing at
whatever test was just before location 330 -- which is surprisingly
low. You'd need to look at the listing to see what the test was.
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>
>Subject: Re: CompuPro floppy controller differences
> From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:28:09 +0100 (BST)
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
>
>> >Oh, I'd be happy to change the pulleys and reset the belt tensions. The
>> >problem is _getting_ the pulleys. Do you want to be the chap who phones
>> >Seagate and says 'Hello, I think you used to be Shugart, do you have the
>> >60Hz conversion kits for the SA801, SA851 and SA4000 in stock'
>>
>> Pft! If you brought them here you'd find spares from used drives or even
>> working domestic versions. Non of those floppies are exactly rare and even
>> the SA4000 is still around.
>
>Are they really that common in the States? They are not at all common in
>the UK any more, so don't think of that as being a source for 50Hz pulleys...
If you were her than 50hz pulleys are a non issue. ;)
>And those were the easy drives. I guess RK05s wouldn't be too hard to
>find 60Hz pulleys for either. What about RX01s/02s? Do RK07s need
>converting? RL's I know don't. But my ASR33 would. And all my audio tape
>recorders (some of which may never have had 60Hz varients).
Lifes rough. The solution I used once for a 50hz and later a 400hz motor
was a simple transformer output pushpull amp fed with a wein bridge osc,
a very good way to generate variable frequency sinewavs in the <100W class.
so happens I had a 12.6V CT (12A) transformer with the requisite 120V
primary. Into a lamp load it was under 1% THD and voltage stability was
as good (5%). I ended up using it for all sorts of AC motor control
solutions. Didn't require special parts or machine shop either.
>Don't worry, I am not going to move to the States. It would be totally
>impractical for a lot of other reasons.
Whats practicality got to do with anything? :)
Allison
Not to take any business away from Jim and they are a little expensive,
but wouldn't an off-the-shelf keyboard encoder do the job?
I've used Hagstrom's KE24s ($99.99) for years, albeit in RS-232<>PS/2
mode. User-programmable matrix or discrete switch inputs to PC keyboard
or RS-232, as well as RS-232 to/from PC keyboard.
www.hagstromelectronics.com/modules.html
mike
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 07:27:40 -0400
From: "Richard A. Cini" <rcini at optonline.net>
Subject: RE: Commodore keyboards and PCs
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Yep, saw the DIY package. I was looking for the boards already done.
This is not a front burner project for me just yet (other things in the
hopper right now), so I'll keep an eye out. Any idea of timing for boards?
Rich
Rich Cini
Collector of classic computers
Lead engineer, Altair32 Emulator
Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/
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From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Jim Brain
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:07 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Commodore keyboards and PCs
Richard A. Cini wrote:
> All:
>
>
>
> I'm playing around with VICE, the Commodore emulator and I
> wondered how others who use it deal with key remapping. Sometimes I find
it
> hard locating the mapped keys because I look at the keycap and of course,
> the key is wrong (like TAB is CTRL, ESC is RUN/STOP, etc.)
>
>
>
> I'm looking for suggestions beyond sticking little labels on
my
> keyboard :-)
>
>
www.jbrain.com/vicug/gallery/c=key/
Jim
Had a query from a chap looking for a DG Nova 3 in the UK, as part of a museum
project for English Heritage.
I'm still gathering details, but I'm getting the impression that the look is
far more important than operational status, as the software (and associated
network) that used to run with the particular system he's trying to recreate
is long-gone. (Hence I've mentioned just getting a mock-up done as one
possibility)
Anyone have a line on any Nova 3 systems left in the UK though? They never did
seem that popular outside the US; I know all we have at the museum are a few
stray boards.
cheers
Jules
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