On 6/1/07, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
>
> At 10:25 AM +0100 6/1/07, Pete Edwards wrote:
> >On 31/05/07, James <james at machineroom.info> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180125971585&fromMakeT…
> >>
> >>Optimistic is an under statement :-)
> >>
> >
> >I shudder to think what the price tag would be if it had a power supply
> and
> >a console:)
>
> At 1490UKP, I'd say they're crazy. Am I correct in assuming the
> power supplies are likely to be the most valuable pieces on a
> VAX-11/780? Without all the doors, it is even more worthless. I
> wonder what condition the card cage & backplane is in, and how many
> cards it is missing.
>
> Zane
>
>
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>
Probably worth about $50 USD as untested spare parts.
Not worth the petrol to drag it home in my opinion.
Now if it was complete and in working condition... I might think it would
have some value.
Bill
--
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Well, the consensus is that I really don't need that
RDM board in order to boot the Vax. So, I'm going to
go ahead and see if I can boot something (anything) on
this machine. I figure I'll start with NetBSD, since
it's free and easy to get.
I have no disk controller. But I do have an M7454 TU80
controller. Will this controller work with a normal
pertec tape drive, like a Cipher?
Since I have SCSI nine track drives, I can write a
tape from my PC (linux box) and then I can move the
tape over to the Vax. (hopefully). Once there, how do
I boot - is the boot device switch controlled by the
RDM, or something else?
Thanks!
-Ian
There are some Byte magazines available to a public access home:
> I have a fairly complete series of Byte magazine issues from 1/78
> through 12/88 (missing seven issues) that I no longer have space for. I
> am looking for a library or museum to provide them with a good home --
> someplace with public access. I can deliver them within the San
> Francisco Bay Area. If interested, contact Harry Chesley at
> chesley at acm.org
Sounds like a good idea. How do I do that?
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Sridhar Ayengar
Sent: 01 June 2007 01:22
To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Bringing the VAX 4000-300 back to life.
Rod Smallwood wrote:
> Boot er no but as it seems as the system spent some or all of its life
> in the insurance industry I'm not surprised the disks have been wiped.
> Ok so next move. I'm going to try and make a VMS 6.2 bootable tape on
> the -200 as the -300 has a TK70.
They both have ethernet, why don't you just boot the 300 from the 200
using MOP?
Peace... Sridhar
> Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 03:03:17 +0100
> From: "Ensor" <classiccmp at memory-alpha.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: Apple /// Power Supply
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID: <006601c7a19c$a7e855e0$0a01a8c0 at memoryalpha.org.uk>
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>
> Hi,
>
>> _If_ that PSU was easily available, I could agree with this. But
>> it isn't. It's likely to take considerable time and effort to track
>> one down, I think....
>
> I don't know what the situation is in the US, but here in the UK
> I've come
> across exactly *ONE* Apple /// in some 22 years of collecting....
>
> I'd put his chances of sourcing a working replacement PSU these
> days at
> ZERO.
>
>
> TTFN - Pete.
Actually I have a spare PSU, here in the UK, but sorry I'm keeping it
for my own Apple ///s. These machines were so tightly engineered as
regards FCC requirements that there always seemed to be a problem
with getting the heat out and stopping the electronics shorting out
against the case. Particularly the RAM daughter board at full
capacity. The real time clock is a bit of a nightmare to get adjusted
properly too. I don't mean to within spec, I mean to run so I don't
have to adjust it every week, which is what I had to do with them
when they were brand new. By contrast the 5MB or 10MB Profile hard
drive sits in a box about five times bigger than is needed. It was a
real luxury after doing the floppy shuffle for three quarters of an
hour compiling Pascal programs, though upgrading to three floppy
drives saved most of the arm work.
Are logic diagrams available for the Apple /// now? If I remember
right, even as dealers/service providers and hardware/software
developers we were not allowed logic diagrams for the A///. That's
where the rot started and we officially had to do module replacement,
though we still replaced IC's when they had blown craters in the top
of them, and were still able to buy AC power switches and such like
>from Apple.
Must drag them out from my brother's loft some time and see if either
of them still work. Hope they're OK, they are stored above the cold
water tank in their original boxes. Fortunately the loft is heated so
should be OK.
Roger Holmes.
There's so little of it left, mores the pity.
I wonder if the guy was sold it as a rare item (which it is) without
being told a lot of it was missing.
Rod Smallwood
The DecCollector
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of woodelf
Sent: 01 June 2007 20:55
To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Anyone for a RELLY expensive 11/780 (UK)??!!
Rod Smallwood wrote:
> "Where have all the disk drives gone? ..."
> "Long time passing"
> "Where have all the disk drives gone? ..."
> "Long time ago..."
> " To the scrap man ... Every one... "
>
> "Where have all the power supplies gone etc. etc."
Chuckle ... I have Bod Dylan on the CD ... so by luck I had the music
to go with lyrics. :)
"Where have all the disk drives gone? ..."
"Long time passing"
"Where have all the disk drives gone? ..."
"Long time ago..."
" To the scrap man ... Every one... "
"Where have all the power supplies gone etc. etc."
What a plonker!! (British expression)
Rod Smallwood
DecCollector
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of James
Sent: 31 May 2007 23:21
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Anyone for a RELLY expensive 11/780 (UK)??!!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180125971585&fromMa
keTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:middle:uk
Optimistic is an under statement :-)
Someone on the list has (had?) a few. I can't remember who, check the
archives.
Devon
>Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:52:37 -0400 (EDT)
>From: bpope at wordstock.com (Bryan Pope)
>Subject: Re: Burroughs ICON
>
>And thusly were the wise words spake by Chris M
>>
>> Anyone have one? They were popular in Canada (maybe
>> made there??). I want it.
>>
>
>Ontario to be exact, where I used them in high school. Their OS was
>QNX, another Canadian company. :) I have yet to see in available,
>though.. :(
>
>Cheers,
>
>Bryan
Hi,
>>....Repairing a switching power supply is one the last
>>things I would want to do.
>
> Why?
Personally I've never had any luck repairing switch mode PSUs
either....obviously there's some hole in my understanding of them....
Actually, I have managed to repair a couple; but that was when I did a City
& Guilds course in electronic repair at college (I was bored....) and had a
full schematic and circuit description to work with.
But going in blind? <shudder>
TTFN - Pete.
Does anyone have them?
I have a WDXT-150 board with a WD93024 drive. I suspect that the
drive is dead, as it doesn't do anything, including spinning up, but I'd
like to be able to run diags on it if any exist.
Doc
>
>Subject: Re: Hazeltine 1400 info?
> From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com>
> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:53:15 -0600
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>
>
>In article <3629638E-1D52-4A9A-B23C-2639BEE62C5E at neurotica.com>,
> Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
>
>> On May 30, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Richard wrote:
>> > I just purchased a Hazeltine 1400 terminal from ebay. This terminal
>> > apparently has no lower case, so it seems like quite an oldie.
>>
>> Cool! I saw that, and would've chased it if I weren't out of
>> money at the moment. I sat in front of a 1420, and later a 1500, for
>> a long time many years ago.
>
>It appears to be in good condition too. Do you happen to know what
>year this would have been manufactured? Is it one of the Hazeltines
>with core display memory that remembers the last thing that was
>displayed after you turn it off?
NO core, that was the 1000/1100/1200 series. Those were early 1970s
as I used a 1200 on BOCES LYRICS TOPS-10 system in '72.
The 1400 series was after the 1500 series and was effectively a cost
reduced (cheaper to build and sell) terminal. The 1400 was circa
1976-78 or so.
Allison
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>
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This goes out to all the people scanning documents and maintaining
archives.
I just got in a large lot of PixelCraft Pro Imager 8100 and 8200 large
format (11x17) scanners.
These are refurbished units in their original crate, ready for shipping.
The only downside: no software. At least none that I've been able to find
so far, though I've been told by a former developer of driver and
application software for them that the programs QuickScan or ColorAccess
should work with these scanners, with (he believes) ColorAccess being
bundled with the driver.
I found a Japanese download site that seems to have ColorAccess v1.2, but
damned if I can figure out what's going on:
http://www.vector.co.jp/soft/dl/win95/net/se292407.html
If someone knows where to find these programs then please let me know.
Here's a quick review:
http://www.macuser.co.uk/macuser/labs/17369/pixelcraft-pro-imager-8200.html…
Here is a "shoot-out" that a manufacturer did to compare color scanning
performance of various scanners, including an 8200 model:
http://www.spectralmasters.com/Yellow%20Slide%20Shootout%20-%20Web.pdf
Here are photos I took:
http://www.siconic.com/crap/PixelCraft-PI-1.JPGhttp://www.siconic.com/crap/PixelCraft-PI-2.JPGhttp://www.siconic.com/crap/PixelCraft-PI-3.JPG
Note: these were about $12,000 new.
I'd like $50 each. Shipping will probably be about $100. They are
already on crates, so shipping will be by freight.
Please contact me directly if you can use one. Soon. ;)
P.S. I'll be at VCF East 4.0 next week!
http://www.vintage.org/2007/east/
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On 31 May, 2007, at 17:22, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote:
> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 06:00:46 -0500
> From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject:
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID: <465EAADE.6030809 at yahoo.co.uk>
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>>
>> I would hope that somebody here could look inside their machine
>> and tell
>> you the markings on the capacitor if the original one is so badly
>> damaged
>> as to be unreadable.
>
> If it was the mains suppression cap then I believe it's a standard
> X2 class
> 250V part* in the UK (but then presumably a different part gets
> used here in
> the US version)
>
> * I think they only sell X2's rated for 275V these days. Farnell
> and RS do
> them I belive, but I'm not sure that Maplin do any more.
>
> I might haul mine back home tomorrow (it's at Bletchley, but as we
> now have an
> A/// there it doesn't need to stay) in which case I can take a look
> - I need
> to replace that cap in mine anyway.
There may be a difference between US and European power supplies. My
spare one is in its original box, marked AP III Euro, EM WR SUP,
669-9050. The PCB is marked ASTEC AA11190 and the back panel is
marked 220VAC 50-60Hz, so NOT 110 volt compatible. If it is one of
the four black upright ones at the rear of the PCB, they are all
marked 250v 100microFarad +105 degrees C. There is also a rectangular
yellow one marked 0.22 microFarad at X 250v~MP whatever that means.
There's another 20 capacitors on the board, so if yours is a european
one and its one of the other 20 capacitors, you had better let me
know which one.
Roger Holmes
Technical Director, Microspot Ltd. Developers of 2D and 3D graphic
software for the Apple Macintosh.
Hi
I managed to find a slim one that fits and the door shuts!!!
Rod Smallwood
DecCollector
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of arcarlini at iee.org
Sent: 31 May 2007 22:11
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'; 'General
Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only'
Subject: RE: Power plug for a VAX 4000-300
Rod Smallwood wrote:
> So whilst what I have will probably run, its not the correct cable.
> It should be a right angled IEC type with a groove or slot opposite
> the middle pin.
The right angle is needed only if you want to shut the front door.
If you don't have a right angle one, you either leave the door open or
remove it (it comes off very easily ... it becomes lost very easily too
:-))
Antonio
On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:56:37 -0700, "Rick Bensene"
<rickb at bensene.com> wrote:
> I have an old glass TTY-type terminal made by a company called TEC.
[...]
> but figured I'd ask here first to see if anyone has
> any information on the company or their terminals.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Rick Bensene
> The Old Calculator Web Museum
> http://oldcalculatorm
TEC was a Tucson, AZ based company that IIRC started out producing
the logic-controlled, neon indicator lights that populated the fronts
of IBM 360s and the like. Seeing the writing on the wall they
branched into terminals and keyboards. The first terminals were upper
case only. I was at the UofAZ computer center in the mid '70s
visiting friends when one of TEC's folks brought in a new prototype
upper/lower case terminals that we immediately hooked up to the local
DEC10. We soon discovered that they used lower case for control
codes... They really never got thing right.
In the late 70's they spent a pile developing a mini which I, along
with a group from the UofA were invited to evaluate. Seems that they
invented the PDP8 right after the Nova 1200 and PDP11 had been
released with a selling price higher than either of the competition.
The indicator business died and they went under in the early '80s
IIRC. Their legacy was a Superfund cleanup site...
CRC
Hi,
> But as I poitned out, it's not _just_ the cost of the camera.
>What do you suggest I connect it to? Can you get digital cameras
>that connect to PERQs or PDP11s?
Actually, my first two cameras both connected to the host computer via RS232
(just data lines and ground) so in theory.... ;-)
Newer cameras tend to have USB, but I've never used mine this way as I
always remove the memory card and plug it into a card reader anyway.
I've not seen any about recently, but before multi-format USB card readers
became popular I remember there being numerous RS232, single format card
readers on the market - I'm pretty sure Jessops used to sell them.
Might be a solution.
TTFN - Pete.
It looks like the consensus is to get the -300 to do a network boot and
then restore from the -200 to the -300. I have a few points relating to
this.
1. The -200 runs TCPWARE and not DECNET.
2. I now understand what needs to be done but I need a bit more (step by
step) detail on how to do it.
3. Is producing a bootable tape on the -200 and restoring it on the -300
too difficult?
Rod Smallwood
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of arcarlini at iee.org
Sent: 31 May 2007 18:51
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: Bringing the VAX 4000-300 back to life.
Rod Smallwood wrote:
> Firstly a big thanks (THANKS) to all those who responded to the
power
> plug question.
> I bought the VAX 4000-300 system on UK Ebay and did the 250 mile
trip
> to Cambridge to collect it early on Saturday. These things are not
> that big but weigh a ton!! The guy selling it was lot larger than I
> (thank heavans!) I did not know the suspension in may car went that
> low!
Wait till you move a DECarray 900 full of RZ drives and a couple of
TZ877s :-)
> The -300 also has a KZQSA (SCSI) controller and whilst they are no
> good with hard drives I think they work with CD ROM's I also have a
> stand alone SCSI CD drive (Yamaha CRW4416SX) it has the really small
> SCSI plugs (inch and a bit long) on the back and the KZQSA has the
> really big ones.
There are cables that go from the Amphenol 50-way (on the
KZQSA) to whatever might be on the Yamaha. There are also various
adapters that might help.
> Comments on which is best way to proceed welcomed.
Here's the abridged version:
Given that you have another VAX, the easiest way is to configure the
existing VAX as a cluster, configure the existing VAX to accept the VAX
4000-300 as a satellite and then boot it as a satellite.
Now initialise the disks on the VAX 4000-300, if required. Restore the
.B saveset onto whichever VAX 4000-300 disk you want to use as your
system disk. Copy across all the installation savesets (VMS062.* and
DECW062.*) onto that disks [000000] directory. Shutdown the VAX 4000-300
and reboot from the new system disk. Answer the questions.
Enjoy your new VMS system.
Antonio
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Ok, here's some additional information, which lets me think that the CPU-Board is definetly dead:
I inserted a KZQSA-Board, as this board has an additional green DCOK-LED. While the one on the
CPU-board does not lit, this one turns on (as does the one of the power supply).
Moreover, I measured the supply voltages with an osciloscope, they are fine. The DCOK line has 3,51 Volts,
and I assume that this can be interpreted as a "high" (please correctly me, if I'm wrong). There is some
"noise", but this is just a very small voltage with a Vpp of 5 mV. The peaks appear with a frequency of 250 kHz,
so I guess that this can be neglected and should not disturb the CPU-board logic.
Well, I guess that I have to watch out for another KA660 board....
Regards,
Pierre
> Hi all,
>
> With the help of your hints, I did some measuring today regarding the voltages.
> The voltages of the supply all lie in an acceptable range: 12,22V, 5,17V, 3,29V, -12,25V.
>
> I observerd recently, that when I turn on the VAX, it comes up with the languages menu und then freezes. The diagnostic displays turns from F to E and then back to F.
> Turning it off and on again doesn't let the menu come up anymore (and the "E" on the display") anymore. It's completey frozen then.
> I've got the impression, that some capacitors are playing bad games somewhere.
>
> Another thing: On the KA660-board, there are four other red LEDs, which turn on all together (and stay on) and there's a green LED.
> In the CPU maintenance manual, it says that this green LED stands for "DC-OK". Well, it doesn't burn when power is applied...
> Furthermore, I measured the DCOK and POK signals: The voltage is 3,51V. Do I have to interpret that as a "signal high" ?
>
> Tomorrow, I'm going to measure the signals and voltages with an oscilloscope. Do you guys have any further hints?
>
>
> Regards,
> Pierre
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Earlier this year I posted the following describing the Prime I need to
get rid of. Despite some interest, it's still taking up valuable space
in my workshop and I would really like it gone :-)
I've offered to send one set of the full backup tapes (there's two sets)
to Al Kossow (which I haven't yet got around to but will soon!) and some
of the manuals are scanned and up on http://www.machineroom.info.
I may even be persuaded into delivering at cost. If it doesn't go this
time it will spend a week on eBay then sad to say will have to be
scrapped after anything useful is removed.
Cheers,
James
----------------
Hi all, this is probably the shortest time I've owned a machine. Bought
just a few months ago as a "project" I now have it to offer again. I
simply don't have the skill to get this running. I've also got too many
other projects :)
It's ex Salford Uni Prime 2550. Comes with 2 disk drives, 1 tape drive,
3 boxes of manuals, 2 boxes of tapes, 4 5.25" floppy drives, a box of
cables and a bunch of terminal lines.
Pictures (including all the manual covers) are here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/17208732 at N00/sets/72157594565763356/
Located in Southampton near M27 J7. It's yours for the taking. I'd like
it to go to a genuine collector but will consider any and all interest!
I can hang on to it for a few weeks but it's just taking up valuable
space right now. If there's no interest in the entire system then I may
part out boards, manuals, etc.
As I understand it when I bought this it had previously sat for a year
unused. Previous to that it had sat for a few years in a garage and been
used occasionally and prior to that had been in the hands of the chap
who rescued it from Salford. When I received it I had problems getting
anything sensible on the terminal then things went downhill and I
discovered the main 5V PSU had failed.
I tried replacing that with an external 200A unit borrowed from my Cray
EL but hadn't considered how many other signals are generated by the
power supply. (MAN070 is available on bitsavers but this only covers
the older Prime models - the power supply signals look the same but the
VCP is very different). The ? 12 and +16 are all OK. I tried faking some
of the power good signals and checked others (50Hz clock, etc). I even
found one signal had broken on the backplane and have repaired that.
Unfortunately without the manual for this specific model I'm stuck. In
it's current condition it just sits with all front panel lights on and
nothing on the console.
CPU:
As I say, the 5V supply has failed. I've patched several lines (the
power good signals) inside the supply. I've had all the boards out,
cleaned the connectors and vacumed the boards and case. I can include an
80A 5V supply if it's of any use to you (I'd hope 80A is sufficient. The
200A unit I was using is now back with the Cray!!)
Disk drives:
I found that the bolts holding the disk units in the casings were
missing (a bag of "spares" was supplied which included the bolts and
rubber mountings). I replaced the bolts before powering up, thankfully!
One of the disk units powers up and spins. The other doesn't power at
all. I removed all the dust too whilst the drives were out.
Tape drive:
Powers up and front panel buttons seem to "do stuff" but can't test any
further.
Tapes:
These are all externally clean but a lot of the casings have cracked.
You'll need some experience with 9 tracks to read these I expect.
Documentation:
There's a lot of very tidy manuals and also quite a few loose manuals in
ring binders. There's also about 10 pocket guides. What is nice is the
collection of history - there's administrator logs, service requests, etc.
Floppy drives:
I'm told the two original Prime badged units have failed. There's a
couple of more modern replacements (and a handful of floppies) included
- one of these should work!
Without a working system I obviously can't test anything. Therefore, you
should consider this as a source of spares or possible repair if you
have the skill and/or manuals. I'm around most weekends for collection
and can obviously give a hand loading. A standard SWB Transit does the
job nicely.
So come on, give the Prime a new home. Please :)
James
At 09:07 PM 5/30/2007, Jason T wrote:
>I remember the ads for those - I thought the color wheel was the
>coolest thing.
It's just a radio-control servo that connected to the spare mouse port.
> I wanted one for my A500. Dunno what I would have
>done with it, but it was on the back cover of every copy of Info
>magazine, and it was from the Video Toaster people, so I had to have it.
It was slow-scan, after all, so it could take the place of a scanner
or a camera for static scenes. It was certainly cheaper.
The Amiga had a real-time video digitizer caleld Amiga Live! with
less resolution and color fidelity from not long after its release.
- John