- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by jwagg＠fs.cei.net

I recently picked up a 36 that appears to be in working condition. The only problem is no operating system. Anyone know where I can get the OS disks? Thanks in advance. Joe Wagg jwagg(a)fs.cei.net

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See if this sounds wierd...

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I just noticed something. The SLU for this 34 is in the SPC slots only. There are 2 backplanes in this box. The SLU board is just below the bus jumper. Is that normal? Bus B Bus A ----+ +----- M9202 | S | L | U ----+ +------

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Does anyone have the PDP-11/34 console cable pinout?

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I think this console cable's screwed, the machine boots OK but refused to talk to a console. Not even power-up line noise. And I know the terminal's good. Tried turning the cable both ways. Several wires are sunsoldered, but not any of the important ones... something's screwy with this cable. Anyone got a pinout of one?

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Archive Corp FT60 Adapter Board Jumper Settings

by djenner＠halcyon.com

I have an Archive FT60 tape drive (uses DC600A cartridges) that I am trying to install. I don't have complete information on the jumper settings of the adapter card (8-bit ISA). The card has several markings on it: Archive Corporation, FCC ID: EAX6GPSC499-R ?(unintelligible) A-200, 88 16, Rev B DET. 50594-01 e023391 Is there any chance that someone has specifications or an installation manual around for this adapter? Also, last version of the MS-DOS software (especially MS-DOS libraries to allow reading/writing, etc.) Thanks, Dave Jenner djenner(a)halcyon.com

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8" floppy power connections...

by dwalterm＠ix.netcom.com

I have a couple old double-sided 8" floppies I want to get running. Does anyone have the pinouts for the square molex power plug? I think its +5, ground and +24v and ground but would like to be sure before turning them on. One drive is a Magnetic Peripherals Inc (CDC)BR8A8B still in the CDC styrofoam package. The other is a pull from an HP 9895 drive (the belt had fallen off). I'd also like to know how big a power supply I'll need to run two of these.... Thanks, Don Walterman dwalterm(a)ix.netcom.com

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Two Items Needed

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Okay, thanks. But if there are any other old systems that someone would "give" to me? (Don't worry, I'll pay you for the costs of the computer as well as shipping.), like anything, I already have an XT, but that's it. (I'm REALLY interested, but just started collecting. Thanks everyone, Tim D. Hotze

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New toy.

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I have the 2 PDP-11/34s in my possession now, and BOTH have tape drives! Too bad it runs too loud, or I'd be playing with it now... There were old DA boxes. Ran RT11, and had 64K of ram. I'll upgrade that, and drop on a copy of RSX11-M. I just hope that can fit on 2 RX02s... they have no harddisks. And the tape drives are some funny emulation, so this could get interesting... They have the chicklet-calculator frontpanels, not switches and lights (Darn!), but if I were to go get a few 11/45 boards, would this become a 45? Or is the frontpanel different between boxes?

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RSX-11M Tapes: Distribution or not?

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Are these RSX11M distrib tapes? They're small, like a 5 1/4" disk. I'll read off the labels: #1: BB-N353B-BC RSX11M V4.0 ATPCH B 16MT9 1/2 #2: BB-N680A-BC RSX11M V4.0 ATPCH B 16MT9 2/2 #3: BB-H881A-BC RMS-11K/RSX-11M V1.8 MT9

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Friday and Saturday Finds

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

As soon as the call comes in I will be driving down to get the items and will sell or trade all the excess items. Keep computing !! At 05:53 AM 10/26/97 +0300, you wrote: >Do you want to sell these things? Because if so, I'm really interested. >Where I live (In Bahrain, in the Mid-East), everyone has gotten rid of >anything 5+ years old. (But not to many people have anything much newer :) >!) I might have a lead on an Apple I, and other of the older models of >Apples, but that's with a friend in the US, but if I do get some, I'll let >everyone know. I REALLY want a NeXT cube, and a Sun, if you find enough. > Thanks, > > Tim D. Hotze > photze(a)batelco.com.bh > >---------- >From: John R. Keys Jr. <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> >To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Subject: Friday and Saturday Finds >Date: Sunday, October 26, 1997 4:12 AM > >Well the Hamfest is over and I got a few items but missed alot more, too >big >for one person to be get to the tables fast enough. Got some leads on Next >cubes and Sun items for little or no cost, will be talking with them more >next week. If they have enough I will post the information. About a two >hour >drive from me. On to the list >On Friday I found a Zenith luggable ZFA121-52 not tested yet $5 this baby >is >big with the flip up floppy drives on the top, Apple mouse IIe platinum >free, digital tape unit TLZ04-DA $5, 2 Mac Plus M0110A keybroads, a couple >of laser printers and several USR password modems for $10. Today at the >Hamfest I got digital GIGI model VK100-AA with manuals for free, HP model >433SX station $10 no power supply uses the external power brick like the >old >plotters will have get one from storage and test this unit, Commodore >CBM4040 dual drive .80, a Sharp Wizard 64KB for $20 needs new batteries >can't test it yet, a old 256k/64k RAMCHECK tester for $10 this unit is by >Innoventions of Houston need to write and see if the have doc's on this old >unit, and last a few cables and other odds & ends for $1 each. The day was >not as good as hoped as there were several really good bargins that got >away >by seconds. Well hope everyone else also had a good week and Keep >Computing. >John > >

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Two Items Needed

by Zeus334＠aol.com

Here in the Boston area, we have the streets paved with XT's; I pick them up >from the trash every once in a while. Often I leave them for lack of space. By the way, does anyone know about the System/74? Original Message: Hello everyone. I'm new here, but am very interested in collecting computers. I want two things: 1. Information etc. on the Androbot. (Remember, the little robot that premiered about the same time as the XT?) 2. Any extra classics that you have that you could sell to me. In my area, it took me 4 months just to track down 1 XT in relatively bad condition. Thanks,

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Two Items Needed

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hello everyone. I'm new here, but am very interested in collecting computers. I want two things: 1. Information etc. on the Androbot. (Remember, the little robot that premiered about the same time as the XT?) 2. Any extra classics that you have that you could sell to me. In my area, it took me 4 months just to track down 1 XT in relatively bad condition. Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

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ST506 drives available.

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i lurk alt.folklore computers, and some guy on there claims that he's discovered a cache of NOS 5 meg st506 drives. he hinted at some volume purchase from interested parties. i'd be willing to buy a few as a group purchase, like the deal that fell through with the little handheld machines earlier this year. for more info, check out the thread in alt.folklore.computers. david

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Friday and Saturday Finds

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Do you want to sell these things? Because if so, I'm really interested. Where I live (In Bahrain, in the Mid-East), everyone has gotten rid of anything 5+ years old. (But not to many people have anything much newer :) !) I might have a lead on an Apple I, and other of the older models of Apples, but that's with a friend in the US, but if I do get some, I'll let everyone know. I REALLY want a NeXT cube, and a Sun, if you find enough. Thanks, Tim D. Hotze photze(a)batelco.com.bh ---------- From: John R. Keys Jr. <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Friday and Saturday Finds Date: Sunday, October 26, 1997 4:12 AM Well the Hamfest is over and I got a few items but missed alot more, too big for one person to be get to the tables fast enough. Got some leads on Next cubes and Sun items for little or no cost, will be talking with them more next week. If they have enough I will post the information. About a two hour drive from me. On to the list On Friday I found a Zenith luggable ZFA121-52 not tested yet $5 this baby is big with the flip up floppy drives on the top, Apple mouse IIe platinum free, digital tape unit TLZ04-DA $5, 2 Mac Plus M0110A keybroads, a couple of laser printers and several USR password modems for $10. Today at the Hamfest I got digital GIGI model VK100-AA with manuals for free, HP model 433SX station $10 no power supply uses the external power brick like the old plotters will have get one from storage and test this unit, Commodore CBM4040 dual drive .80, a Sharp Wizard 64KB for $20 needs new batteries can't test it yet, a old 256k/64k RAMCHECK tester for $10 this unit is by Innoventions of Houston need to write and see if the have doc's on this old unit, and last a few cables and other odds & ends for $1 each. The day was not as good as hoped as there were several really good bargins that got away by seconds. Well hope everyone else also had a good week and Keep Computing. John

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Space problems in the UK and US

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

I have a similiar problem: Due to the large size of the XT style motherboards, my desk devoted to classic computers isn't big enough. I can fit the computer on, the monitor on the computer, and the keyboard on the floor. When you try to type, it's not fun. (Type a command. Stop. Before entering it, look up at monitor. Takes about twice as long.) PS- How do you post an origional message? Do you just send one to9 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu , or somewhere else? Tim D. Hotze photze(a)batelco.com.bh ---------- From: Ward Donald Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Space problems in the UK and US Date: Sunday, October 26, 1997 4:09 AM Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote: > > Actually, I'm one of the lucky ones. My fiancee permits me a whole 8" by 10" > > room in the basement for my laboratory. Not much room to actually _move > > Eight by ten inches? You poor thing! But I expect you are exaggerating... One of the minor annoyances about collecting classic computers is the variety of decisions that were made in placement of punctuation on the keyboards. That was supposed to be feet, not inches, of course. And it would be worse, not better, if I were a touch typist. -- Ward Griffiths "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." [Denis Diderot, "Dithyrambe sur la fete de rois"]

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Friday and Saturday Finds

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well the Hamfest is over and I got a few items but missed alot more, too big for one person to be get to the tables fast enough. Got some leads on Next cubes and Sun items for little or no cost, will be talking with them more next week. If they have enough I will post the information. About a two hour drive from me. On to the list On Friday I found a Zenith luggable ZFA121-52 not tested yet $5 this baby is big with the flip up floppy drives on the top, Apple mouse IIe platinum free, digital tape unit TLZ04-DA $5, 2 Mac Plus M0110A keybroads, a couple of laser printers and several USR password modems for $10. Today at the Hamfest I got digital GIGI model VK100-AA with manuals for free, HP model 433SX station $10 no power supply uses the external power brick like the old plotters will have get one from storage and test this unit, Commodore CBM4040 dual drive .80, a Sharp Wizard 64KB for $20 needs new batteries can't test it yet, a old 256k/64k RAMCHECK tester for $10 this unit is by Innoventions of Houston need to write and see if the have doc's on this old unit, and last a few cables and other odds & ends for $1 each. The day was not as good as hoped as there were several really good bargins that got away by seconds. Well hope everyone else also had a good week and Keep Computing. John

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Space problems in the UK and US

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> > No. Typical house sizes here in the UK mean that all of us UK members have > > it. I imagine many of the US crowd have the same problem, too. In > > continental Europe, typical house sizes are larger, but most people live in > > apartments, so goodness knows what they do! > > Hey, all of the BBC shows I see on Public Broadcasting over here in the States > show these huge houses with broad sweeping staircases (which would be great > for stacking a whole lot of desktop-style systems). Am I being deceived by > the media? Do some Brits live in extended closets like we have here in the > U.S.? Yes, you've been deceived. I shall cite my own house as a fairly typical example of a British family home, circa 1928. I am lucky in that I live alone in it; such a house would normally hold a family of 4 or so. Upstairs, three bedrooms (12' x 12', 12' x 11', 6' x 6') and a bathroom (just large enough to hold bath, wash basin and one other item). Downstairs, lving room and dining room (match the two large bedrooms), kitchen (6' x 10' approx) and conservatory. Shelves full of computers etc. in every available space, even the living room, which I had originally intended to reserve for the piano and things. > Actually, I'm one of the lucky ones. My fiancee permits me a whole 8" by 10" > room in the basement for my laboratory. Not much room to actually _move Eight by ten inches? You poor thing! But I expect you are exaggerating... Philip.

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(no subject)

by Zeus334＠aol.com

Gauntlet for what machine? I think I may still have a copy for C-64

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No subject

by martin＠lister.force9.co.uk

Can you get hold of the Game The Gauntlet

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NorthStar info??

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Hello, all: I just got my hands on a North Star system with a load of S-100 boards (mostly Vector Graphics boards; some of which labeled "BAD"). Does anyone have any info on the following: Vector Graphics: ZCB Z80 processor board, 12k PROM board, 16K SRAM board and 64k SRAM board, Micro-Disk floppy controller. I also need info on a Solid State Music video interface board (I think that I have a bad RAM chip on mine). TIA! Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin! Charter Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Networking

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BA23

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Does anyone have any info on the controllers inside here? It says Fixed Disk and Removable Disk. What kind of disks is it expecting?

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386 to 486 upgrade chip wanted

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

One more thing: I wouldn't upgrade a machine, as that just makes it something that it wasn't meant to be, but if you wanted, look in Computer Shopper magazine by ZD, or look in http://www2.classifieds200.com and go to computers then motherboards, then chips. You shouldn't upgrade, if you asked me. See you, Tim D. Hotze photze(a)batelco.com.bh ---------- From: PG Manney <manney(a)nwohio.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: 386 to 486 upgrade chip wanted Date: Saturday, October 25, 1997 5:19 PM Wanted -- 386 to 486 upgrade chip -- 386-40 DX CPU 486 motherboard & chip (are those >10 yrs old, yet?) Thanks, manney(a)nwohio.com

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386 to 486 upgrade chip wanted

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

The 386's are 12 years old, but most machines that have them are 9 years or less. The 486's will celebrae their 8th birthday soon, but most computers that had them (outside of servers and REAL pro computers) were made in '92-'95, then they were replaced by faster Pentiums. Hope that helps, Tim D. Hotze photze(a)batelco.com.bh ---------- From: PG Manney <manney(a)nwohio.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: 386 to 486 upgrade chip wanted Date: Saturday, October 25, 1997 5:19 PM Wanted -- 386 to 486 upgrade chip -- 386-40 DX CPU 486 motherboard & chip (are those >10 yrs old, yet?) Thanks, manney(a)nwohio.com

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386 to 486 upgrade chip wanted

by manney＠nwohio.com

Wanted -- 386 to 486 upgrade chip -- 386-40 DX CPU 486 motherboard & chip (are those >10 yrs old, yet?) Thanks, manney(a)nwohio.com

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Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 -0500 > Reply-to: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > From: "John R. Keys Jr." <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> > To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming > Thanks to those who e-mailed me to keep the list going, I too like to see > what others are finding and the price items are going for. This also to > helps hear about computers and other items that I may have never seen or > hear of. But first about the rescue - I have located about one half of a > 20,000 sq ft warehouse FULL of computers, monitors, printers, manuals, sales > promo items, old software, system disk. I'm talking C64 to SUN to maybe > HP3000 types and a couple of stripped down mainframes (not IBM's). I spent > the last two Saturdays trying to work out a deal and hope to know this week > or next if can start unloading these items for them. I will send out an > e-mail to all as soon as I get the word. I, for one, love your listings. Keep on, keep on, keep on. ciao larry lwalkerN0spaM(a)interlog.com

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Where do you go to find stuff?

by Eros＠mail.dec.com

I suspect this question would be a good addition to an FAQ... Where do you tend to go to find classic computer equipment? Around here (Delaware) I hit garage sales (pretty slim pickin's), swap meets, Salvation Army and Goodwill. A local chemical company has a surplus disposition center that parcels out a limited number of PC and Mac systems. In addition, there's a twice-weekly Goodwill that has occasionally yielded something useful. Any other suggestions? -- Tony

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DEC LK201 keyboard

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Someone gave me a box of 10 or so DEC LK201 keyboards. A couple of them work and the rest do not. Several seem to have the same problem in that the 4 status LED's all light up, but the keyboard does not respond. Has anyone encountered this problem and repaired the keyboard? Does anyone have a schematic for this keyboard that they could copy and send to me? Having several DEC machines, it would be nice to have a few spare keyboards. Thanks, Mike Thompson

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Yes! Frontpanel machines!

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

2 11/34s, for $20. Good! More when I go see them tomorrow

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relative age

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 03:41 PM 10/23/97 -0600, you wrote: >You know, I think my generation was the last to learn about using >the slide rule in highschool (I graduated in 1979). In 1975, when I >was a freshman, all students in my school were requied to learn I started HS in '79 and I was the only person I knew that knew what one was (other than *some* of the teachers.) Still got mine. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Nice Week

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 11:47 PM 10/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >lasertag target for $0.90! BTW, anyone remember when lasertag was popular? >I have a set of two guns and two (now three) targets and was thinking about >putting them on ebay. Yep... There's a new version on the market (saw 'em at both Toys-R-Us and Price Club.) Used to (still do?) have a rifle and a couple of handguns, plus a target or two. Had a lot of fun with them! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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IBM System 36

by Deborah909＠aol.com

Dear Colleagues, I am the information systems coordinator of a large social service agency in Boston that owns a System 36 that we no longer use. In addition to the system itself, we have a printer, software, manuals, and several workstations. Can you give us some assistance in donating or recycling our equipment? Many thanks! Best regards from Deborah Elizabeth Finn Information Systems Family Service of Greater Boston 34 1/2 Beacon Street Boston, MA 02108 617-523-6400, ext. 5506 (voice) 617-523-3034 (fax) fsgb(a)fsgb.org (internet) deborah909(a)aol.com (internet)

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System/34 diskettes as RX02 diskettes

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Holepunching them doesn't work. I tried. Format resets the drive about 8 times and says Device Error. Attempting to boot from one says Controller Failure. I know the device works, I use it for the 3 RX02s I do have. Oh well. BTW, anyone know where I can get an RL02 pack cheap?

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relative age

by manney＠nwohio.com

> You folks are all young sprouts... when I was in H.S. (1938) our AV >equipment was a wind up phonograph (disks, not cylinders,) and a lantern >slide projector. Once someone from Bell Telephone brought in a movie >projector and showed films! Calculations? they were done with a pencil on >"foolscap". And no, I didn't have Socrates for a teacher. I went through HS on a slide rule. Someone brought in an electromechanical calculator to my math class, and I fell in love with it. <sigh> ps Where did "Foolscap" get its name? E-mail me... (extremely off-topic) manney(a)nwohio.com

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DEQNA

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Anyone got the pinout of the AUI connector on this? Will it work with any AUI?

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Osborne I Floppies

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

Of the Seimens FDD 100-5 drives on my Osborne I, drive A is worn and tempermental. I am trying to switch A and B. There are no obvious jumpers, and cable connections are identical to both drives. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks Charlie Fox

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TRS-80 Model II

by kevan＠heydon.org

Just got this, if anybody is interested then follow up directly to him. ------- Forwarded Message From: leelouden(a)webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:44:01 -0700 To: collector(a)heydon.org Subject: TRS-80 Model II I have, and am currently using the above mentioned. It is a complete system with original desk and matching printer stand. The original system without extra software sold for 10k. I am the original owner and have taken good care of it . This is the 8" floppy drive system with a triple expansion bay, modem and daisey wheel printer. Any interest? ------- End of Forwarded Message -- Kevan Old Computer Collector: http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/

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A few deals found

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well I been at again and found some good ones, list to follow. We've got a big Hamfest and computer sale this weekend in St. Paul (MN) and I hope to find a few things there got my ticket already. Well on to the list: 1. SOROC IQ120 for $5, this is the first monitor I purchased back 1978 for my Nortstar that I got for $3200 wow now a get them for 1 to 5 dollars. 2. Amstrad pc-20 with all the manuals but no monitor for free. 3. CPT SRS45 tower with monitor but no KB $5.00 4. IBM 3864-2 type II for free 5. Mac SE with 1 mbyte ram, 800k FD and 20sc HD for $5 6. Data General One with power brick and it works $5 7. Zenith ZF-158-42 for $5 8. Laser Pal 386sx with KB, no monitor, manuals and software disk $5 9. IBM type 3476 monitor for $5 10. two boxes full of manuals and old software for free 11. Sun model 4/20FM-8 monitor for $5 12. Sun 3/110c-B cpu chip taken out but got the case and some boards for $5 13. Apple MAC II no KB or monitor for $5 14. 2 Sum mice and two KB a type 5c and a type with cables for free 15. MT1000 controller that works for free 16. Sun 3/260HM-8 case only all the boards were gone for $5 17. SPARCstation IPC with HD taken and memory all gone and unit taken apart so the guy gave it to me for free. That's the short list the first three days of this week and I have picked up over 35 items but the wife is starting to ask questions. I've had to rent another storage unit to hold my collection. I'm working with two different groups right now trying to get a building to house a museum and hope to get some State and federal help with the funds. Keep computing !!

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Another good day

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Today I went to 3 thrift stores from Hopkins to Bloomington to St. Paul and found a few items. Sun 3/160S-4 seems to be all there will try to fire it up this weekend, another Sun 4/20FM-8 monitor, Apple language cards, tape and HD rack for Sun 160, Apple IIc Plus with the 3.5 FD and built-in power supply will test this weekend this is my second one of these I got the first in St. Louis MO this past summer at a flea market, I got some other items but have not written them down yet it was too cold at the storage unit so I just unloaded the car and left. The highest price item was $10, the other were either $5 or free. Good hunting to all

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Wanted:387 SX

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Roger Merchberger wrote: > 1) I have a couple co-processors -- make me an offer. Yes please! I need a 387SX in a 68 pin plcc to go in the bottom of a Compaq LTE Lite 20. $15? > 2) I saw several emulators, but the only one I found that actually worked > well, the file was called "FRANKE87" and was German in origin. It actually > fooled AutoCad 10 into believing there was a co-processor chip on my 386SX > and actually did speed up FP instructions (measured with CheckIt). Emulator doesn't interest me - I'm not likely to run much serious stuff on my PC anyway... > I may have a copy of it somewhere, but that's no guarantee, as my 386 has > been sold for a coupla years now, and my P150+ doesn't need it. ;-) You've got a WHAT? Go and wash your mouth out with soap and water and don't ever mention the word P*****m on this list again! ;-) (At least, not until it's ten years old) Seriously, though, I found when looking around last year (when I got the Compaq laptops) that most of the electronics catalogues _didn't_ contain the 80387 any more. I must search the net... Philip.

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Where do you go to find stuff?

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I hit some of the same places except garage sales. Just look out for private thrift and talk with the manager must are willing to work with if you take it by the load and not try to pick out just the ones you want. I can get real low prices by working it that way, must times they don't have that much. I talk to people at the goodwills that I meet there and give them one of my cards my wife made. These cards id me as a Computer Collector and gives my home phone and e-mail address. These cards have gotten me alot of free items. Well good luck and Keep Computing !! At 10:54 AM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >I suspect this question would be a good addition to an FAQ... > >Where do you tend to go to find classic computer equipment? Around here (Delaware) I hit garage sales (pretty slim pickin's), swap meets, Salvation Army and Goodwill. A local chemical company has a surplus disposition center that parcels out a limited number of PC and Mac systems. In addition, there's a twice-weekly Goodwill that has occasionally yielded something useful. > >Any other suggestions? > >-- Tony > >

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A few deals found

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

You,re right just s slip of the tongue, I used my first one with a northstar as it had no KB or video with it. At 07:08 PM 10/22/97 -0800, you wrote: >> 1. SOROC IQ120 for $5, this is the first monitor I purchased back 1978 for >> my Nortstar that I got for $3200 wow now a get them for 1 to 5 dollars. > >I may be remembering things wrong, but I thought a IQ120 was a terminal, >not a monitor. > >Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca) > >

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RX02 disks and S/34 disks.

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Is there a way to get a S/34 8" disk to work like an RX02 disk? I need a few more RX02s.

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Head Start Explorer

by manney＠nwohio.com

Is anyone interested in a Head Start Explorer (seems to be an XT with built-in CGA). Has a dead floppy, no hard drive. Boots up fine on ROM. manney(a)nwohio.com

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Info on a Scantron unit?

by manney＠nwohio.com

>Wow! A high schooler who's into old computers? Unless there is a >pre-pubescent teenager on this list, I think Daniel has the record as the >youngest collector of old computers. One of my customers is (I think) a Freshman; he collects old stuff. That would make him 14 or 15. Another, Steve O., just joined the group (you listening, Steve?). He's young, but I don't know how young. Not all of us are ancient.

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Kaypro 2 vs. Kaypro II

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

I just picked up a Kaypro 2 (with several missing keys) at one of the local Salvation Army stores. It won't recognize my Kaypro II disks, and it takes longer to come up with the "I cannot read your diskette" message than the Kaypro II does (when I shove MS-DOS disks in them). Is the Kaypro 2 broken, or does it use a different disk format from the Kaypro II? I notice that the startup message is different, so they must have different ROM revisions. What are the differences (other than the obvious cosmetic differences) between these two models? Thanks. Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca

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Mac Portable

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 02:03 AM 10/22/97 -0500, I wrote: >Thanks for the info! Do you know if it's positive on the inside or outside? >(either + -O)- - or - -O)- + ?) Oh fiddle. I meant to send that directly to the person I was replying to, but I goofed. Sorry. But thanks anyway to all who responded. Btw, I think that the page I quoted went a little overboard. I don't think you *have* to replace the 9volt battery with an adapter, but you can. (Duh.) Still, I saw the switch that requires removing the L-A battery cover (and presumably, you would want to remove the battery as well to run off AC?) I'll report back after trying it out. (I picked up a variable power adapter from RatShack today 'cause I've got quite a few machines missing adapters.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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FWD: Early user interface design

by bede0005＠garnet.tc.umn.edu

Hey Folks:: I found this on CSA2 newsgroup. Thought some of you in the bay area might be interested. I would LOVE to go but it's a long way from Minnesota. If anyone does attend, I would like to hear about how it was rob ======================================================================== + please forward and post as appropriate within the Bay area + Bay Area Computer History Perspectives and The Computer Museum History Center present "Early User Interface Design at Apple" Larry Tesler and Chris Espinosa Stagecast Software Apple Computer 5:30 PM, Tuesday, Oct. 28 Computer Museum History Center Building 126 Moffett Field Mt. View (directions at end) Note: if you plan to attend, please reply to Zoe Allison at 415/604-2575, or send email with your name to allison(a)tcm.org. Please indicate if you aren't a US citizen, thanks. When Larry Tesler came to Apple in 1980 from Xerox Palo Alto Research Center, he introduced user interface testing to the Lisa project. Only recently did Larry learn that Chris Espinosa had conducted Apple II user interface testing a couple of years earlier. This program will review the story of early user interface design at Apple, up to 1984, for the Apple II, the Lisa, and the Mac. Larry and Chris will be presenting original internal Apple memos and drawings from the period which have not been shown previously in public. A historic videotape will also be shown of actual Lisa user interface testing, among the earliest such tests at Apple. This program is free and open to the public. In 1980 Larry Tesler managed applications software and user interface design for the Lisa division, and later became VP and Chief Scientist at Apple. He is now president of Stagecast, a K-12 software startup. Chris Espinosa started working at Apple at the age of 14, bicycling over after school to do the weekly Apple II demos. He later worked on the original Mac design team, and recently has managed the Media Tools group at Apple. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Next program: November 12: The influence of Doug Engelbart's work over the last 30 years. These lectures are sponsored by The Computer Museum History Center and Sun Microsystems. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Directions: from highway 101 in Mt. View, take the Moffett Field exit (ignore any signs or exits for Moffett Blvd.). You will come immediately up to the Moffett Field main gate. Park to the right side of the gate, in the visitor's parking area, and go into the Visitor Office building to get a badge and further directions. Remember to call 415/604-2575, or email allison(a)tcm.org, if you plan to attend. -- Dag Spicer Manager of Historical Collections The Computer Museum History Center Moffett Federal Airfield Mountain View, CA 94035 Offices: Building T-12A Exhibit Area: Building 126 Tel: +1 650 604 2578 Fax: +1 650 604 2594 E-m: spicer(a)tcm.org WWW: http://www.tcm.org <spicer(a)tcm.org> PGP: 15E31235 (E6ECDF74 349D1667 260759AD 7D04C178)

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SCORE!

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I will have soon: A PDP-11/84. Working. It has an RL02, but no pack. And more! I do have now: A DEQNA network card. Now I just gotta get Fuzzball to build... I may have my 11/23+ up soon!

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Relative age

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

around 1984-1985, we had all apples in hi skool mostly //e's and epson fx80 printers but there were a few ][+ models in an adjoining room. i remember going to a mall once and seeing an apple ///, but was unfamiliar with it. in 1986 at a community college, they had more //e models, trs80 model 3 machines, i think, and ibm XTs with cga monitors. i never used anything else until around 1988 when i discovered a friend with an atari 800xl with the 1050 disk drive and i used that to type in programs from the magazine called compute, of which i still have the issues. david

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Relative Age

by jrbrady＠mindspring.com

Frank McConnell <fmc(a)reanimators.org> wrote: >HP brought the 2000A timeshared BASIC system out in...1967? I know >there were some (later models, 2000F and 2000 Access) still in service >at various Washington DC suburban area high schools into the early >1980s at least, maybe into the mid-1980s. Prince Georges County >(Maryland) and Fairfax County (Virginia) both had them, maybe others >too. In Orange County, California, the local community college ran an HP2000/Access system utilized by the local high schools. Each school had Digital LA36 and Lear-Siegler ADM-3A terminals connected at a blazing 300 baud. It still running at the time of my graduation in 1983. I have fond memories of the HP system, having written many pro- grams on it (including one that triggered an "OUT OF MEMORY" error... talk about the need for optimized code!) If memory serves, the beast was decommissioned several years later. Regards, Jason Brady jrbrady(a)mindspring.com Seattle, WA

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relative age

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Wow! A high schooler who's into old computers? Unless there is a <pre-pubescent teenager on this list, I think Daniel has the record as the <youngest collector of old computers. Frightening. ;-) here are some numbers If you are in highschool now: -0 PCs are known as current if highschool was x years ago: 1990 PCs and macs 1985 Apples, macs, Rainbows, PRO350s maybe some PCs 1980 s100, apple][, swtp, LSI11, micronova Microprocessor chips 1977 PDP-11, vax, nova Some LSI and bit slice 1971 PDP-8, PDP-10 TTL mostly, some utilogic and transistors FYI the main computers in the shuttle are this era technology. 1965 PDP-5 Transistors. 1960 First generation transistors, vacuum tubes 1952 first commercial machines, tubes 1947 prototypes, tubes and relays If you were like me and did electronics as a kid following on to a career then everything made from '64-65ish on was current at one time or another to me. Then again I went to the NY worlds fair 1964/5! Allison

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Apple II SCSI SW

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Does anyone know what software is required for the Apple II SCSI card?? I got the card last week from a friend of mine, but without SW. Apple's ftp site has only a "SCSI Utilities Disk", but the description says nothing about "drivers". Alltech Electronics carries a new CMS card with SW, but for $40. Seems that I should be able to get the Apple SW for less than that... Any clues appreciated! Rich Cini/WUGNET Charter ClubWin! Member MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

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387 emulators (was: Wanted:387 SX)

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

I can verify that *some* floating point functioncs (basic ones ususally ie +, -, etc) can be emulated faster than the stock 80387 or 80387sx co-processor can do them. The majority of functions can not be emulated faster though. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Uncle Roger [SMTP:sinasohn@crl.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 6:08 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: 387 emulators (was: Wanted:387 SX) > > At 05:07 PM 10/20/97 +0000, you wrote: > >> 2) I saw several emulators, but the only one I found that actually > worked > >> well, the file was called "FRANKE87" and was German in origin. It > actually > >> fooled AutoCad 10 into believing there was a co-processor chip on > my 386SX > >> and actually did speed up FP instructions (measured with CheckIt). > >Not. Autocad is processor heavy program and better unload that FP to > > >that coprocessor result in even powerful system when using the > >suitable s/w like autocad. > > IIRC, Autocad *requires* a mathco, so one has a choice of a) buying a > mathco > (used to be $$$), b) running with an emulator, or c) not running > autocad. > > As to whether the system will run faster with or without a software > mathco > emulator, I must admit, it would seem obvious that an emulator would > only > slow the system down (by using more Cpu time to handle the emulator > than > going straight to the CPU -- kinda like buying direct from the mfr and > eliminating the middleman) but I cannot say that that's true without > testing it. > > The FRANKE87 program may be really good at what it does, enough to > make a > difference when compared to Intel's idea of FP math. I have to say > that if > Merch says he measured the difference and the emulator is faster, I'll > take > his word for it until proven wrong. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > O- > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen > know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California > http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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looking for northstar dos...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Is there anywhere on the net northstar* dos version 5.x for DD controllers. My archives only have the single density version. Allison

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DEC LK201 keyboard

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Several seem to have the same problem in that the 4 status <LED's all light up, but the keyboard does not respond. <Has anyone encountered this problem and repaired the <keyboard? < <Does anyone have a schematic for this keyboard that they You don't need it. There isn't much to see. Probe the board for +5 and -5 power if either is missing track it backwards. the keyboard is powered off +12v from the system and there is a +5v regulator on the board (7805, TO220) if that's ok then check for -5v(or so) on the RS423 driver chip(9636). If that's there then probe the 8051 for valid reset and crystal osc running. There isn't much to them and the key is the 8051 microprocessor, if it's fried then look for a keyboard that's mechanically trashed. Coffee, mechanical damage and ESD are the common failure mode. Allison

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Relative age

by rcini＠email.msn.com

In 83-85 (high school), we had mostly Apple IIs, and a DEC dot-matrix terminal to access a time-shared computer somewhere. In Jr. High (81-83), we used mostly Commodore PETs (mostly the 4016 and 4032). AFAIR, there were no Tandys or Ataris Rich Cini/WUGNET Charter ClubWin! Member MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

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VINTAGE COMPUTER FESTIVAL WRITE-UPS

by dastar＠wco.com

Ok, time for those write-ups to start pouring in. I understand if you didn't have time to do it but could you let me know if you were supposed to do one but didn't so that I can plan appropriately? Thanks! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Info on a Scantron unit?

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

(disclaimer: it has a 6502 in it, so its kind of a computer B^} ) Anyone out there have any information / docs. on a Scantron model 888mc 'Test Scorer'? -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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olivetti M20

by bigi＠univ-avignon.fr

hey, sorry but my english is very bad. I found the address http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/classiccmp/1997-08/msg00233.html I have a Olivetti M20D (with - processor Z8001, - floppy disk 5'1/4, - hard disk - 160 Ko (i think 128 + 32) - a printer I haven't undertood if you have an identic machine or if you found this. I know some commands to use it, like : - vf (volume format) with 0: or 10: (floppy or hard disk) - vl (volume list), - etc... If you have some information about this computer, ... you can say these ... You can consult my home'page at : http://taln.univ-avignon.fr:8080/personnel/bigi.html Bye... and sorry if i haven't undertand what you wanted. -- ---------------------------- | Brigitte Bigi | | Laboratoire d'Informatique | | C.E.R.I. | | 339, ch. des Meinajaries | | 84911 AVIGNON Cedex 9 | | 04.90.84.35.25 | | bigi(a)univ-avignon.fr | ----------------------------

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Mac Portable

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 04:23 PM 10/10/97 -0700, you wrote: >The battery charger is just 9VDC, but I hope you have a functional >battery, since the Mac Portable will not run on the battery charger. >There is no AC adapter. The batteries are lead-acid and tend to >deteriorate over time. Eventually all of these machines will stop >working. Thanks for the info! Do you know if it's positive on the inside or outside? (either + -O)- - or - -O)- + ?) I found a web page that says you can bypass the battery by replacing the 9v with a battery eliminator and removing both the lead acid batt and its cover. If I can find a power supply, I'll give it a try (since I think my battery is hosed.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Osborne I

by sinasohn＠crl.com

Just an FYI... An Osborne 1 is on the block at ebay -- current bid is $42. I've got my fair share or I would be bidding on it... http://206.79.255.82/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1144704 --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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RE-PC Stuff

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

For those of you in Washington state (Puget Sound area), RE-PC currently has a good assortment of classic stuff in their 'as-is, where-is' department, including at least a pair of Commodore 64's. They're located south and slightly east of the Kingdome, 1565 6th Ave. south, about two blocks north of Holgate on 6th. They may be reached locally at (206) 623-9151. I'd suggest a visit before the end of the year. They tend to do these big purges every so often. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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relative age

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 10:52 PM 10/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >1985 Apples, macs, Rainbows, PRO350s maybe some PCs > >1980 s100, apple][, swtp, LSI11, micronova Microprocessor chips Actually, ca. 1980-83, I had access to a DEC PDP-11/70 (RSTS/E), PC's, Atari 800's, TRS-80 ModIII, and maybe a couple others. But I think computers may have been a little more prevalent here in San Francisco. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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by fmc＠reanimators.org

allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) wrote: > if highschool was x years ago: > 1980 s100, apple][, swtp, LSI11, micronova Microprocessor chips > 1977 PDP-11, vax, nova Some LSI and bit slice ... HP 3000 Series II. Well, that's what we had at my high school in 1977. Sometime along about 1980 it got upgraded to a Series III. Micros weren't in the schools in 1977 but some of us were aware of them (I used to hang around the Radio Shack and poke at the TRS-80). HP brought the 2000A timeshared BASIC system out in...1967? I know there were some (later models, 2000F and 2000 Access) still in service at various Washington DC suburban area high schools into the early 1980s at least, maybe into the mid-1980s. Prince Georges County (Maryland) and Fairfax County (Virginia) both had them, maybe others too. ... We had a mark-sense reader way back then in 1977. An HP 7260A, hooked up as a pass-through device between the terminal and the 3000, but the 3000 had some special "driver" software (in the form of the FCARD intrinsic, which sent the right escape sequences down the wire to get the card reader to Do Stuff). We used it daily to "run attendance": each student had an associated IBM card, and the homeroom teacher would send the cards for absent students to the office. Read cards into disc file, run programs to generate report (print report on continuous-form ditto paper with tractor holes) and update database with attendance information. We also used it twice quarterly to do progress reports (mid-quarter) and report cards (end of quarter). These used mark-sense forms that were pre-printed, then printed in the line printer, then sent out to the schools and teachers where they were torn apart along their perfs, marked, folded, spindled, mutilated, and sent back for reading. Note that bit about being torn apart along perfs. Feed a few thousand of these through (the 3000 at our site did processing for about a dozen schools) and the torn perfs leave lots of paper dust all over in the reader. Twice a quarter, we used to have to call the CE to come out, take ours half apart, and vacuum all the paper dust out so we could read the attendance cards. After I graduated I found that they'd replaced the 7260As with Scan-Tron readers. I saw one once but, well, it's been 14 years or so and I didn't really look at how it plugged in -- given that they had it talking to the 3000 somehow I would bet that it did RS-232. I think I remember being told that they had had to write some software to deal with it, but I guess that wasn't too big a deal as they had also changed the mark sense forms, from two that would fit down a slot designed for IBM cards to one that was wider and didn't need to be kept synchronized with a partner. -Frank McConnell

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finally found: Your Computer

by mhop＠mail.snip.net

---------- > From: thedm <thedm(a)sunflower.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: finally found: Your Computer > Date: Saturday, October 04, 1997 12:00 AM > > I'll take it Oh, sorry it took so long to reply. I had 5 people reply within minutes, so I gave it to the first person. His email was only 2 minutes earlier than the next. :) sorry. mhop(a)snip.net

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Info on a Scantron unit?

by BROBSTONA＠wartburg.edu

>Wow! A high schooler who's into old computers? Unless there is a >pre-pubescent teenager on this list, I think Daniel has the record as the >youngest collector of old computers. Well, he beats me by two years for age (I'd guess), but when did he *start*? -- Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu ***NEW URL BELOW*** http://www.wartburg.edu/people/docs/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College as a whole.

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387 emulators (was: Wanted:387 SX)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 05:07 PM 10/20/97 +0000, you wrote: >> 2) I saw several emulators, but the only one I found that actually worked >> well, the file was called "FRANKE87" and was German in origin. It actually >> fooled AutoCad 10 into believing there was a co-processor chip on my 386SX >> and actually did speed up FP instructions (measured with CheckIt). >Not. Autocad is processor heavy program and better unload that FP to >that coprocessor result in even powerful system when using the >suitable s/w like autocad. IIRC, Autocad *requires* a mathco, so one has a choice of a) buying a mathco (used to be $$$), b) running with an emulator, or c) not running autocad. As to whether the system will run faster with or without a software mathco emulator, I must admit, it would seem obvious that an emulator would only slow the system down (by using more Cpu time to handle the emulator than going straight to the CPU -- kinda like buying direct from the mfr and eliminating the middleman) but I cannot say that that's true without testing it. The FRANKE87 program may be really good at what it does, enough to make a difference when compared to Intel's idea of FP math. I have to say that if Merch says he measured the difference and the emulator is faster, I'll take his word for it until proven wrong. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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CLASSICCMP digest 211

by prp＠hf.intel.com

> Program the world's first computer! "First" is always difficult, especially in computers. Here are some examples of early machines, draw your own conclusions. The Harvard Mark I was electromechanical. It was fully capable of running a complex calculation, with the program on punched card stock separate from the data. This is where the term "Harvard machine" comes from, referring to a machine where the program and data are in separate memory. The ABC (1939) was mostly electronic, including electronic storage with mechanical access. But its program was, I believe, on a plugboard. It was not as general purpose as, for instance, the Mark I. The Colossus (1944?) was all electronic. It was very special purpose and barely if at all programmable. The Eniac (1946) was all electronic and general purpose. It was programmed by plugging. It and the Harvard Mark I were decimal and a lot like a bunch of adding machines cobbled together. The SSEM (1948) was all electronic and general purpose (but extremely small.) It was a true stored program machine. It was also binary. The Univac I (1950) was all electronic, general purpose and generally useful (and also decimal.) It was a commercially available computer, unlike all the previous ones. Paul Pierce

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items available..

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i'm organizing command central here some ,and have a few things that *might* be useful to someone else. epson equity I user's guide. i'm a big fan of original documentation and shipping materials that things came in so i have two empty boxes available. the first is for a tandy cm11 monitor and the second is for an apple imagewriter I which i'm using to store 10 meg bernoulli carts at the moment, lol. i dont have the foam packing material though. message me before it all gets round filed one day. david

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Wanted:387 SX

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

> Right now I'm using this checkit 3.0 to debug a motherboard because I > am trying to get it into turbo mode by keyboard, It's Nec Powermate > 386 33i (386dx 33 cached all in one board). What is the key combo > to enable turbo? It's Phoenix bios. I think Phoenix bioses use Ctrl-Alt-KeypadMinus. Perhaps that's Ctrl-Shift, and perhaps it's KeypadPlus. This is what I seem to remember, though. -- Ben Coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu Station Manager, KDIC 88.5 FM CBEL: Xavier OH http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley

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FWD: Manchester Baby Programming Competition

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> > Program the world's first computer! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >The world's first computer program was run on June 21st 1948 on the > >"baby" Mark1 at Manchester. As part of the celebrations to mark the 50th > >.... > > Could some of the list members with more historical knowledge comment > on this? I thought the first "electronic digital computer" was the ABC - > Atanasoff Berry Computer from 1939. This was verified in some high > powered patent cases in '73 and '74, that concluded Sperry-Univac could > not claim patents for the ideas from thier Univac machine ("43 or '44?). > Honneywell, CDC, IBM, and others did not want to pay royalties to Sperry. > The Sperry machine is the first "commercial" machine that was offered for > sale. Are you _sure_ the ABC was electronic? I was under the impression that the 1930s machines were all (almost all?) relay computers. Konrad Zuse is the pioneer whose name is oft mentioned here... As I see it, the sequence of events is as follows: The 1940s saw the valve (vacuum tube) computers begin to emerge - in some order (still in debate) ENIAC, Univac and the hush-hush British project, Colossus (hush-hush because it was part of the war effort), all appeared in 1943 I think. Colossus currently claims to have been first, but it is hard to verify with all the wartime secrecy that surrounded it. The Manchester machine claims to be the first _stored program_ machine. It was the first electronic computer, and I think also the first computer, to hold its software in main memory. It was far too small for this to be sensible - the purpose was to demonstrate the principal of it with a view to using similar hardware and software designs on larger machines in the future. All previous machines had a main store for data, and a programming panel for patch leads etc. to hold instructions. Soon after the Manchester machine ran, the EDSAC project in Cambridge pulled ahead with a large scale stored program (Von Neumann) machine. Professor Wilkes, who ran this project, said in one talk he gave that they had wanted to include floating point in EDASC, since it was already available on many relay computers, but this had to wait until a later design... Philip.

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Manchester Computer

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote : > Are you _sure_ the ABC was electronic? I was under the impression that > the 1930s machines were all (almost all?) relay computers. Konrad Zuse > is the pioneer whose name is oft mentioned here... > > As I see it, the sequence of events is as follows: > > The 1940s saw the valve (vacuum tube) computers begin to emerge - in > some order (still in debate) ENIAC, Univac and the hush-hush British > project, Colossus (hush-hush because it was part of the war effort), all > appeared in 1943 I think. Colossus currently claims to have been first, > but it is hard to verify with all the wartime secrecy that surrounded > it. All the "computers" prior to the Manchester machines did not store their programs in memory, they are more accurately termed sequence controlled calculators. The Univac came later, it was actually first delivered in 1951, just a month or so after Ferranti delivered the first commercial computer, the Mark I to Manchester University in February 1951 - and no I don't remember that particular event personally ;-). > The Manchester machine claims to be the first _stored program_ machine. > It was the first electronic computer, and I think also the first > computer, to hold its software in main memory. It was far too small for > this to be sensible - the purpose was to demonstrate the principal of it > with a view to using similar hardware and software designs on larger > machines in the future. All previous machines had a main store for > data, and a programming panel for patch leads etc. to hold instructions. Again yes, the Manchester machine had a main memory of 32 words each of 32 bits, it had one accumulator and an instruction set of only 6 instructions. It was built in 1948 to prove the reliability of the Williams tube storage system. The very same hardware was then extensively developed into a fully fledged computer over the next two years. Ferranti, under a government contract, built 6 or 7 production versions, the first of which went to Manchester as stated above. > Soon after the Manchester machine ran, the EDSAC project in Cambridge > pulled ahead with a large scale stored program (Von Neumann) machine. > Professor Wilkes, who ran this project, said in one talk he gave that > they had wanted to include floating point in EDASC, since it was already > available on many relay computers, but this had to wait until a later > design... Indeed, the interests of the Manchester team were in the hardware design, the Cambridge team were more interested in the programming and uses of computers. So while Manchester developed hardware technologies, Cambridge developed software. Manchester has a long and illustrious history of firsts in the computing area. As well as the first working stored program electronic computer, they were the first to incorporate index registers, the first working transistor computer, and the first virtual memory. That is not to say that others were not working on the same or similar lines, its just that Manchester managed to get there first, sometimes by just a month or two. More info about the Manchester machines and the rebuild project at <http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/CCS/ssem/ssemhome.htm> -- Hans B. Pufal : <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com> Comprehensive Computer Catalogue : <http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/> _-_-__-___--_-____-_--_-_-____--_---_-_---_--__--_--_--____---_--_--__--_

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FWD: Manchester Baby Programming Competition

by kevan＠heydon.org

Just thought people here might be interested... ------- Forwarded Message Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:19:31 GMT From: chris(a)envex.demon.co.uk (Chris.P.Burton) Reply-To: chris(a)envex.demon.co.uk To: history-of-computing-uk(a)mailbase.ac.uk Subject: Manchester Baby Programming Competition Program the world's first computer! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The world's first computer program was run on June 21st 1948 on the "baby" Mark1 at Manchester. As part of the celebrations to mark the 50th anniversary of this event next year, we are holding a competition to program the machine. The winner will have the opportunity to run their program on the replica of the original machine. For details of your chance to program the World's First Stored Program Computer, see http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/prog98/ Information on the 1998 celebration in general is at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/mark1/ Please forward this information to anybody you know who might be interested - i.e. anybody you know with an interest in computing! - -- Chris P Burton - A member of the Computer Conservation Society ------- End of Forwarded Message

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"VX/PC"

by marcw＠lightside.com

I saw this in the Linux-8086/ELKS mailing list. Anyone know about this card? Thanks, Marc ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Anyone ever heard of a a "VX/PC" card? I got one today >from a junk bin, there are two full length 8 bit ISA cards connected together; one is marked "VX/PC processor card" and has an 80188 and some ROM and other chips, and the other is "VX/PC memory card" and has a whole bunch of DRAMs. There is another board attached to one of them marked "16.8 million color board" even. Any suggestions? I have not tried installing one and seeing what comes out the video output yet. thanks, Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, StudIEAust hamish(a)debian.org, hmoffatt(a)mail.com Student, computer science & computer systems engineering. 3rd year, RMIT. http://hamish.home.ml.org/ (PGP key here) CPOM: [***** ] 56% Your train has been cancelled due to defective government at Spring Street..

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Osborne Executive Boot Disk

by CHOLSTROM＠HNTB.com

Does anyone have and Osborne Executive that will make a boot disk for my machine? Please.. I have a complete set of Kaypro 10 original distribution software reload disks if anyone would like these..

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Wanted:387 SX

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Whatever the coprocessor for the 386 SX was, does anyone have one? < <I heard that (at one time) there was a software emulator for a <coprocessor...anyone ever heard of it? the numeric coprocessor is the 387. Software emulator? What that would be is code in the application to perform those operations. there was a package I believe that was loaded to enable programs that expect the 387 to run but emulation is very slow compared to the real thing. A faster alternative is to run the version of the program that didn't require the 387. 387s are still available and common enough. Allison

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Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

Due to network problems, anyone who send me e-mail this weekend saying "I want one", please resend as I did not get it (or any other mail). -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Pritchard [SMTP:MPritchard@EnsembleStudios.com] > Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 2:47 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: RE: Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition > > To help with questions I've asked, here's some info the Hard Drive > Bible > book. > ----- > It says July, 1996. It seems to cover older drives, up to the first > one > and two gig drives. in the "hard drive peramters" chapters for > example: > > Alps America: 8 entries from 10 to 212 MB, > Ampex: 4 entries, 5, 10, 15 , and 20 mb, > Areal tech: 6 entries, 62 to 136mb (all IDE 2.5" notebook drives) > .. > BASF: 5 entires, 23, 15, 8, 10, 21mb (all MFM) > > etc... > > It's a bit PC centric. > > Major chapters: > History of Disk Drives > Interface Standards > PRML tehcnology > Enhanced IDE > SCSI command reference > What is SCSI-3? > SCA Hot plugs > PCI interface > Choosing a Hard Drive and Controller > Controller Setup and Jumpering > Drive Setup and Jumpering > Drive Cabling > Low level Formatting > DOS partitioning > Macintosh Drive Installation > Windows Drive Format > Win95 Disk Format > Novell Compsurf > Hardware Compatibility Problems > Common Installation Problems > Troubleshooting > Universal IDE parameters > Hard Drive List > Fine Tuning > Hard Drive Parameters (by manufacturer) > Controller Information (by manufacturer) > Connector Pinouts > Drive Jumpers > CD-ROM > Floppy Drives > Optical Disk Drive Technology > Optical Jukeboxes > Optical Drive Specifications > Tape Drives > CSC benchmark tests > Software > System Notes > Industry Phone List > BBS Numbers > Directory > Glossary > Index > > > > -Matt Pritchard > Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist

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Wanted:387 SX

by manney＠nwohio.com

Whatever the coprocessor for the 386 SX was, does anyone have one? I heard that (at one time) there was a software emulator for a coprocessor...anyone ever heard of it? Thanks manney(a)nwohio.com

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Tandata td2500

by v.murray＠unsw.edu.au

I recently picked up a Tandata td2500 at a London, UK car boot sale. Does anybody know what it is? It is basically a keyboard with outputs on the back for TV video, composite video, RGB (SCART), serial data, and a lead to plug into a telephone outlet. The power supply is missing and plugs into a 4 pin DIN plug - any info on voltages to use to power it up. The unit was made by Tandata UK Ltd. Also I like to hear what's available to buy - so here is a non-US version of what I picked up at a large South London car boot sale on Saturday. Epson PX-4 + cartridges (works) - 5 pounds (L) (1 pound = 1.6 $US) 2 x BBC model B (both work) - 1 L each Casio pocket computer PB-410F (no battery) - 5 L EG 2000 Colour Genie (works) - 3 L NCR PC4i - nice all-in-one unit but turned out to be IBM XT clone - 5 L old Sharp calculator - 1 L Vincent Murray Email v.murray(a)unsw.edu.au

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5250 Emulator

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> Seriously, it's a card that will allow you to connect to TwinAx devices / > systems, like an IBM AS/400. > > With the right software and that card, you can use any IBM/Clone as a > terminal to an AS/400, and some software will even allow you to use a local > parallel printer as an AS/400 printer. Hey, Guys, this is a classic computers list! Twinax terminals connect to system/34, s/36, s/38 machines (dunno about S/32 or earlier). I imagine they're only supported on AS/400 for compatibility... Philip.

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IBM 3101 terminals

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Tony Duell wrote: > You mean I'm not the olnly classiccmp member to have a space problem... No. Typical house sizes here in the UK mean that all of us UK members have it. I imagine many of the US crowd have the same problem, too. In continental Europe, typical house sizes are larger, but most people live in apartments, so goodness knows what they do! > Seriously, other than moving (or collecting pocket calculators), is there > a cure to having more computers than floorspace for them? If it's just floorspace you're worried about, you can sit them on shelves, furniture, each other... :-) But I've seen your house, so I know your problem is worse than mine, and I envy you your tolerant parents... The solution is for several people in the same area to club together and buy a warehouse, derelict factory or ex-secret wartime government research base. Even an aircraft hangar might do, although the design parameters are not optimal for computer storage. Any takers? (Central or SW England for me, London for Tony) > size - from memory, the standard ones are : > > DE9 (PC serial port, Atari joystick, etc) > DA15 (Ethernet AUI, PC games port, etc) -- The one we're talking about > DB25 (Standard RS232, PC printer port, etc) > DC37 (PC external disk port, Canon CX engine interface, etc) > DD50 (Sun SCSI port, etc) > > The high-density ones are : > > DE15 (PC VGA monitor) > DA?? (Never seen it) > DB44 (Never seen it used, but it's in the catalogues) > DC62 (PC expansion cabinet, etc) That's what I thought. Any idea what the 19 pin one on some Macintoshes is called? Philip.

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looking for northstar dos...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Doug, A copy of NS* dos on media is not as desirable as on line. The reason for this is I am debugging a suspected bad controller. In the past I've found that bad NS controllers can accidently do uncommanded writes to the disk rendering it useless. Also if thge media is DD the working SD controller I have. I do have legal copies of 4.0, 5.0 and 5.2 but single density only. An online copy or a SD disk with a copy of the DD ns* works better for debug. What I would do is to load the dos into EEprom so I can load it and execute it quickly if the controller can't. Allison <I think I do. I will have to go through several boxes to find them. Give <me a day or two to find them. < <Doug < <At 10:13 PM 10/14/97 -0400, you wrote: <> <>Is there anywhere on the net northstar* dos version 5.x for DD controllers <>My archives only have the single density version. <> <>Allison

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Write-Ups...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:10:37 -0700 (PDT) > From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> > Subject: re: VINTAGE COMPUTER FESTIVAL Write-Ups > For those who were doing write-ups for the Vintage Computer Festival > exhibition, if you could start sending those over to me I would appreciate > it. > Formats I can accept include: > Microsoft Word > Microsoft Works > WordPerfect 5/6 > ASCII > Appleworks (hey, you never know) > Please convert your document as is appropriate. > I would like to start getting the write-ups in soon so I can start editing > and formatting them. You can e-mail them to: > dastar(a)wco.com > ...in either uuencoded format or as an attachment (in the case of > non-ASCII file formats) or as straight ASCII in the body of your message. > THANKS!! > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com > ===================================================================== > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Um... I am formatting it myself, along with added scanned pictures and the like, I could convert my two Claris Works documents (1.6 meg and 884+k) to Microsoft Works but I don't think Microsoft works has a "Draw Layer" (Kinda like a DTP program) which supports linked text frames, etc. :/ I can mail you a set of what I've got when I'm back home on Wednesday though. Larry Anderson --- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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VINTAGE COMPUTER FESTIVAL Write-Ups

by dastar＠wco.com

For those who were doing write-ups for the Vintage Computer Festival exhibition, if you could start sending those over to me I would appreciate it. Formats I can accept include: Microsoft Word Microsoft Works WordPerfect 5/6 ASCII Appleworks (hey, you never know) Please convert your document as is appropriate. I would like to start getting the write-ups in soon so I can start editing and formatting them. You can e-mail them to: dastar(a)wco.com ...in either uuencoded format or as an attachment (in the case of non-ASCII file formats) or as straight ASCII in the body of your message. THANKS!! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Join Classic Computer Mailing List

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hello. I would like to join your mailing list. Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

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EETO Computer

by manney＠nwohio.com

Every XT I ever ran across (except for some Tandys) had switches on the motherboard to control no. of floopies, coprocessor, amount of memory and type of video adapter; therefore no CMOS. The battery is probably for the real-time clock. What won't it do? If you disconnect everything except one floppy, will it boot up? (hard drive info is typically kept on the HDC). manney(a)nwohio.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Manney <Manney> Date: Friday, October 17, 1997 12:35 PM Subject: EETO Computer >I have an EETO computer for which I am looking for the jumper settings >and CMOS setup entry procedure. >The system has the following specs for the motherboard: > >PCB is marked > HYUNDAI SUPER 16TE SYSTEM BOARD >ASSY E4008005701 REV PCB ICT 2 >Has 6 jumper links at front left of motherboard >Has five 8 bit slots >Has onboard battery > >It boots up with Patterson Labs Basic I/O System Version 2.00Ia >Copyrighted 1986,87 > >I'm not sure what else is needed to properly identify this motherboard. > >Hope you can point me to some info. > >Thanks, >Brendan > >

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Anyone help?

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Found on Usenet. Anyone in the UK have a VAXen looking for a home? If so, please contact this fellow directly. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- Give a good home to your VAX (or ALPHA): http://multivac.jb.man.ac.uk:8000/helbig/vms/vax.txt -- Phillip Helbig Email ... helbig(a)multivac.jb.man.ac.uk Nuffield Radio Astronomy Laboratories Tel. ..... +44 1477 571 321 (ext. 297) Jodrell Bank Fax ................. +44 1477 571 618 Macclesfield Telex ................. 36149 JODREL G UK-Cheshire SK11 9DL Web .... http://www.jb.man.ac.uk/~pjh/ My opinions are not necessarily those of NRAL or the University of Manchester. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL SUBJECT TO $500.00 PROOFREADING FEE PER ITEM SENT. SENDING ME SUCH UNSOLICITED ITEMS CONSTITUTES UNDERSTANDING AND ACCEPTANCE OF THESE TERMS. Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://www.wizards.net/technoid -- kyrrin2-At-Wizards-Dot-Net "...Spam is bad. Spam wastes resources. Spam is theft of service. Don't spam, period..."

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CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write-ups

by dastar＠crl.com

Here is the exhibition list showing the people who have currently volunteered to do informational write-ups for each system. In case you missed the first request, I am asking for help in coming up with an informational, one-page write-up that will be displayed next to each computer in the exhibition at the Vintage Computer Festival. This is so that the attendees can know what they are looking at. I am re-posting the original message with an updated listing of who so far is doing what. Many, many thanks to those who have already pledged their support!! Hello Fellow Classic Computer Collecting Nerds. If you've checked out the Vintage Computer Festival web page then you know that there will be an exhibition of over 100 computer systems as part of the event. Just having the computers without any accompanying literature would probably leave a lot of attendees wondering what it was they were looking at. Therefore, I would like to have a short, one-page write-up for each machine on display giving summary information about the machine. I figured there is probably no better resource for general and historical information on old computers than this discussion group. As you know, 100 computers is a lot. So I am asking for a favor from anyone interested. I need write-ups done for the machines which will be on display! Aside from my undying gratitude, anyone who contributes write-ups will receive a free Vintage Computer Festival 1.0 t-shirt and a free pass to the show either this year or for whatever year you will be able to make it out (this WILL be an annual event). A list of the systems on display will follow. If you would like to do some write-ups for a particular system or series of systems, please e-mail me and I will let you know if a write-up is required for that system. The write-up should ideally include: The company which created the computer The founding year of the company The year the company went out of business The founder(s) of the company What the company's main market was (ie. who was their customer?) The year the computer was developed/released How many were manufactured (if known) What computer (if any) preceded this computer What computer (if any) followed this computer What operating system(s) could it run? What language(s) if any were built-in or available for it? What kinds of peripherals were available for this computer What were the attributes of this computer What processor did it use? How many bits was it? How much memory did it come with standard? How much total memory could it be expanded to? What kind of bus architecture did it use (if any) or how could it be expanded (if at all)? Did it have a carthridge slot? What other computers was it compatible with (if any)? What peripherals were specifically available for it (if any)? Disk drives or other storage devices? Printers? Displays? Other stuff like speech synthesizers, graphics tablets, etc.? What (if any) graphics capabilities did it possess? What was the resolution (of all graphics modes)? How many colors were available? Any special features of the graphics? Any special graphics hardware? What (if any) sound capabilities did it possess? How many voices did it support? Any special features of the sound? Any special sound hardware? What other significant attributes did it feature? Again, it would be ideal to have all this information, but it is not mandatory. I realize that some stuff is just a mystery. Hopefully having Vintage Computer Festival's will clear up these mysteries by getting the information flowing about old computers. If you would like to contribute a write-up, please e-mail me with what you want to contribute. Thanks!!! (list to follow below) MANUFACTURER PRODUCT MODEL WRITEUP ---------------------------- --------------------------- ------------ -------- Altos Apple Computer Apple /// A3S2 S.Ismail Apple Computer Apple //c A2S4100 S.Ismail Apple Computer Apple IIe A2S2064 S.Ismail Apple Computer Apple IIe A2S2128 S.Ismail Apple Computer Apple ][ A2S0016 S.Ismail Apple Computer Apple ][+ A2S1048 S.Ismail Apple Computer Lisa 2 Apple Computer Macintosh Plus M0001A Apple Computer Macintosh M0001 Atari Atari 1040ST 1040STF Atari Atari 1200XL Home Computer 1200XL Atari Atari 130XE 130XE Atari Atari 400 Home Computer 400 Atari Atari 520ST 520ST Atari Atari 600XL Home Computer 600XL Atari Atari 800 800 Atari Atari 800XL 800XL Atari Falcon 030 Callan Data Systems Unistar 300 Commodore Amiga A1000 B.Damage Commodore Amiga A500 B.Damage Commodore CBM 2001 Series PET 2001-32 L.Anders Commodore Commodore 64 64 L.Anders Commodore Commodore 64 Personal Compu 64C L.Anders Commodore Commodore 128 128 L.Anders Commodore Commodore Plus/4 Plus/4 L.Anders Commodore PET 4016 L.Anders Commodore PET 4032 L.Anders Commodore PET 8032 L.Anders Commodore VIC 20 Computer VIC 20 B.Damage Compaq Portable CompuPro 8/16 Computer Power & Light Compal 80 Minicomputer Corona Data Systems M18P-2 Corvus Concept Cromemco Z2 Computer System Data General Data General One 2514A Epson Geneva PX-8 Epson Portable Computer HX-20 Exidy Inc. Sorcerer Computer B.Damage Fortune Systems Corporation 32:16 Forward Technologies Sun 1 Clone GCE Vectrex Heath H8 Heath Hero I Hewlett-Packard Computer HP3000/37 F.McConn Hewlett-Packard Computer HP85A F.McConn Hewlett-Packard Computer HP86B F.McConn Hewlett-Packard Portable HP110 F.McConn Hewlett-Packard Portable Plus F.McConn Hewlett-Packard Integral PC HP9000/207 F.McConn Hewlett-Packard Workstation HP9000/520 F.McConn Hewlett-Packard Computer HP9915 F.McConn IBM 3270 Personal Computer 5271 IBM Personal Computer 5150 IMSAI Manufacturing Corporat IMSAI 8080 Microcomputer Sy Interact Micro Video Intertec Data Systems SuperBrain II Kaypro Corporation Kaypro New 2 Macintosh 128 Mattel Electronics Aquarius 5931 Mindset Mindset Morrow Designs MDT 60 Morrow Designs Pivot Portable Non-Linear Systems, Inc. Kaypro II North Star Computers Horizon A.Parent OSI C4P MF Olivetti M10 Osborne Computer Corporation Executive Osborne Computer Corporation Osborne 1 Osborne Computer Corporation Osborne 3 Osborne Computer Corporation Vixen PMC Inc. PMC 81 Processor Technology Corp. SOL 20 Quest Electronics Super Elf Radio Shack TRS-80 Model I C.Coslor Radio Shack TRS-80 Model III C.Coslor Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 100 R.Merch Radio Shack TRS-80 64K Color Computer 2 26-3127B R.Merch Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer 2 26-3027 R.Merch Radio Shack TRS-80 Micro Color Computer MC-10 R.Merch Radio Shack TRS-80 Micro Computer Syste 26-1006-1 R.Merch Radio Shack TRS-80 PC-1 SWP Microcomputer Products ATR8000 SWTP 6800 SWTP 6809 Sanyo MBC-550 MBC-550 Sinclair ZX80 ZX80 H.Pufal Sinclair ZX81 Personal Computer ZX81 H.Pufal Sun Microsystems Workstation 2/50 Synertek VIM-1 Tandy TRS-80 Model 2000 26-5103 Tandy Tandy 1000EX 25-1050B Tandy Tandy 100HX Personal Comput 25-1053A Televideo TS1603 Texas Instruments 99/4A Computer PHC004A Texas Instruments Silent 700 745 Portable Timex Computer Corporation Timex-Sinclair 1000 M 330 H.Pufal Timex Computer Corporation Timex-Sinclair 1500 H.Pufal Toshiba T1000 PA7027U Vector Graphics Inc. Vector 1 Victor Technologies, Inc. Victor 9000 412 Video Technology Ltd. Laser 50 C.Coslor Visual Computer Inc. Commuter COMMUTER US Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Allright Experts

by thedm＠sunflower.com

If I wanted to get a hold of a european computer, 220v, 50hz PAL with RBG, then? 1) would it work an an RGB monitor. 2) if the machine just used a poweradapter like 9v, like the old atari's is the 50/60hz thing that critical? Im looking into a Spectrum128, or Russian Scorpion. What do you all think?

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Allright Experts

by dwalterm＠ix.netcom.com

On 10/15/97 11:03:10 you wrote: > >If I wanted to get a hold of a european computer, 220v, 50hz PAL with RBG, >then? > >1) would it work an an RGB monitor. > >2) if the machine just used a poweradapter like 9v, like the old atari's is >the 50/60hz thing that critical? > >Im looking into a Spectrum128, or Russian Scorpion. > >What do you all think? > > I can share my personal experience.... I have a Spectrum +2 here in the United States. It works fine. For power I use a small 110/220 inverter available from places like Jameco and JDR. That allows me to use the original power supply. The Spectrums also can work off a standard 9 volt wall wart. Some models use over 1 amp so its more like a wall brick. For video a normal RGB monitor like the Magnavox RGB-80 (Many Commodore versions 1084,1902,etc) works fine. If you are a Sinclair fan, the video pinout is exactly the same as the Sinclair QL (8 pin din). The 50/60 Hz "thing" doesn't matter. Please be aware there are very few Spectrums with RGB output. The +2 is one model. The Spectrum 128 also is supposed to have RGB output but I have not seen one. I also have seen regular Spectrums (48k and the Spectrum+) in use over here in the US. To do that you need to convert the output to RGB. A product called the Spectrum RGB output module by Adapt electronics does exactly that. Good luck finding one. Our local Sinclair group has one. After a lot of investigation it was determined that power supply voltages have to be right on the money for it to work. Another alternative is a DIY project that is posted on some Spectrum web pages. Good luck with the schematic and documentation (all in German!). I'd be very interested in your progress. Don Walterman dwalterm(a)ix.netcom.com

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CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write-ups

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 10:11 PM 10/13/97 +0000, you wrote: >OK, even if it is the second (third, etc.) most sold computer in the >world it is still one of the most popular ever produced and it does not >excuse the complete lack of interest that it gets in the States. USA is There is no excuse needed. People buy/use/collect what they know. Here in the US, we know about C64's and such. People in the states don't collect british coinage much either. They collect what they know. Thanks to the net, however, we can find out more about other computers/countries easily. By all means, tell us about Spectrums, and why we should think they're better than commodores. Sinclair certainly didn't bother to tell us about them. In exchange, we'll be happy to tell you about US computers you may not have heard of. >NOT the centre of the world, you know. Spectrum clones have been Actually, for me anyway, it is. I live here. (and, btw, probably for the VCF, which, coincidentally, is taking place in the US.) (But next year, I'll probably be travelling to the UK for Billing '98 (the 50th) when I'll pick up some Sinclairs!) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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EETO Computer

by brensue＠ois.net.au

I have an EETO computer for which I am looking for the jumper settings and CMOS setup entry procedure. The system has the following specs for the motherboard: PCB is marked HYUNDAI SUPER 16TE SYSTEM BOARD ASSY E4008005701 REV PCB ICT 2 Has 6 jumper links at front left of motherboard Has five 8 bit slots Has onboard battery It boots up with Patterson Labs Basic I/O System Version 2.00Ia Copyrighted 1986,87 I'm not sure what else is needed to properly identify this motherboard. Hope you can point me to some info. Thanks, Brendan

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5250 Emulator

by bmpete＠swbell.net

I have a short 8-bit PC card labeled "5250 EMULATOR". It has a big 1.5" X 1.5" chip labeled 02F8059ESD, a smaller .5" X .5" chip labeled 7378945ESD, a 6264 8KB SRAM, 5 misc. chips, a 32MHZ xtal, assorted discrete components a 8-position DIP switch, and a DB-15M connector on the back. The $64.00 question: What is it? _______________ Barry Peterson bm_pete(a)ix.netcom.com Husband to Diane, Father to Doug, Grandfather to Zoe and Tegan.

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altair 8800

by HenryYar＠worldnet.att.net

> Hello, > I've got an old Altair i bought back in '76 as a kit. I was using it up > 'till about '86 when I decided to get a "better" system. This past year i > decided to restore it, but have misplaced my documentation. Does anyone > have the old MITS documentation, or know where it can be obtained? thanks > in advance > Henry Yarborough

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Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

To help with questions I've asked, here's some info the Hard Drive Bible book. ----- It says July, 1996. It seems to cover older drives, up to the first one and two gig drives. in the "hard drive peramters" chapters for example: Alps America: 8 entries from 10 to 212 MB, Ampex: 4 entries, 5, 10, 15 , and 20 mb, Areal tech: 6 entries, 62 to 136mb (all IDE 2.5" notebook drives) .. BASF: 5 entires, 23, 15, 8, 10, 21mb (all MFM) etc... It's a bit PC centric. Major chapters: History of Disk Drives Interface Standards PRML tehcnology Enhanced IDE SCSI command reference What is SCSI-3? SCA Hot plugs PCI interface Choosing a Hard Drive and Controller Controller Setup and Jumpering Drive Setup and Jumpering Drive Cabling Low level Formatting DOS partitioning Macintosh Drive Installation Windows Drive Format Win95 Disk Format Novell Compsurf Hardware Compatibility Problems Common Installation Problems Troubleshooting Universal IDE parameters Hard Drive List Fine Tuning Hard Drive Parameters (by manufacturer) Controller Information (by manufacturer) Connector Pinouts Drive Jumpers CD-ROM Floppy Drives Optical Disk Drive Technology Optical Jukeboxes Optical Drive Specifications Tape Drives CSC benchmark tests Software System Notes Industry Phone List BBS Numbers Directory Glossary Index -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist

28 years, 5 months

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Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

Just making public a catalog of what reference material you have would be great for someone searching. Meybe we need to start a classic documentation server or something like that. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Shoppa [SMTP:shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca] > Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 3:10 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition > > > Well, they do say that they solicit input from their readers on what > to > > add for the next edition. (for instance they added the SCSI command > set > > reference section in this edition). If it doesn't document 90% of > the > > drives you use regularly, and those drive are not new to the last 5 > > years (hey, this is the _classic_ computer mailing list) then how > about > > doing one of two things: > > > > (1) let them know what they are missing and give constructive advice > on > > how to make the 9th edition better, or > > This seems unlikely, as the number of PC-clone boxes with SMD drives > on them can probably be counted on one hand. PC-clone SMD controllers > are exceedingly rare. > > > (2) Start your own reference information project > > Not a bad idea. I've got complete tech manuals for things like > Fujitsu > 2322's, 2333's, and Eagles (M2351A's) and Super Eagles (M2361A's), but > they're about 1000 pages each. > > Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)

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Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by manney＠nwohio.com

I'll take a couple, please, if you're taking orders. I saw them at $30, but all I need are jumper settings sections. EZDrive (which comes with WD Hard Drives) is a good reference, has jumper settings and other neat stuff. Tell me how much you want for your time and shipping, and I'll send you a check. Thanks for offering. Manney(a)nwohio.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Manney <Manney> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 1997 6:08 PM Subject: Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition >I picked up a copy of this book, as it seems quite handy. It has lots >of info on older, long since discontinued drives. > >The local MicroCenter here in Dallas has a giant pile of them for >something like $5 each; it says list $49.99 so this may be a bargain. >If there is any interest, I could pick up a few to send elsewhere. > >-Matt Pritchard >Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > > > >

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4 BBC micros (not guarenteed working) going begging

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

In case someone on that side of the pond is interested... In alt.folklore.computers, slavins(a)hearsay.demon.co.uk.NOJUNK (Simon Slavin) wrote: >For a few days I'll hold on to four BBC model Bs which are about to >be thrown away by a local school. I don't guarentee they all work >(though they did last time they were turned on) and you'll have to >arrange pickup from the North London area. >Simon. >-- >Simon Slavin -- Computer Contractor. | The mind abhors a vacuum. Without > http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk | facts, they'll fill their heads with >Check email address for spam-guard. | fantasies. >Junk email not welcome at this site. | -- Jonathan Kellerman: _Time Bomb_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

Well, they do say that they solicit input from their readers on what to add for the next edition. (for instance they added the SCSI command set reference section in this edition). If it doesn't document 90% of the drives you use regularly, and those drive are not new to the last 5 years (hey, this is the _classic_ computer mailing list) then how about doing one of two things: (1) let them know what they are missing and give constructive advice on how to make the 9th edition better, or (2) Start your own reference information project Either way, we need to preserve the knowledge. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Shoppa [SMTP:shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca] > Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 11:34 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition > > > The Hard drive Bible?...Oh it strikes me in my brain... > > > > Do you mean that book that is filled with hard drives from A to Z > > with FULL doc on each for jumpers than what most others shown? > > Actually, the quality of information in the editions I've seen is > quite > a hodgepodge. And it has *no* documentation on 90% of the drives that > I use regularly. So I look at it with a good amount of disdain, as it > doesn't come close to doing what the cover claims. (But that's true > with many things in life... and even more true of computers > recently!) > > > I have a Micropolis scsi hd needing proper setting up and LLF'ed as > > it's not set up right previously. Right now it's resisting anything > > > unless there is a proper way. > > > > model 1684-7. It's 340MB regular SCSI. > > Have you - say - tried contacting Micropolis? > > ftp://techsupport.micropolis.com/pub/files/SPECS/1680spec.txt is > what you want. > > > And I am looking for how to make custom terminator resistor array. > > I assume you're referring to RN9, a 20-pin 220/330 network? I've > always gotten them in the past by calling Micropolis at > 1-818-709-3325. > But if you want to make your own, and have access to a 20-pin header, > it's pretty simple: > > Pin 10 is ground, Pin 20 is Vcc, and pins 1-9 and 11-19 consist > of a 220 ohm resistor to Vcc and a 330 ohm resistor to ground. > > Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)

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Rescue Required - San Diego, CA

by pjoules＠enterprise.net

>If people are interested in this class of machines, I've got 4 >VS2000's currently being used as doorstops. [Snip] > (near Vancouver) If only I could drive there from the UK to fetch them :-) Regards Pete #include <std_disclaimer>

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Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

At 04:53 PM 15/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >I picked up a copy of this book, as it seems quite handy. It has lots >of info on older, long since discontinued drives. > >The local MicroCenter here in Dallas has a giant pile of them for >something like $5 each; it says list $49.99 so this may be a bargain. >If there is any interest, I could pick up a few to send elsewhere. > Hell yes I would be interested, If you could pick one up for me, I'll pay shipping + cost. Reply if you can can still get them... Thanks in advance. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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Rescue Required - San Diego, CA

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 04:04 PM 10/16/97 -0800, you wrote: >If people are interested in this class of machines, I've got 4 >VS2000's currently being used as doorstops. They have a mix And I've got a Dec Rainbow 100 available if anyone's interested. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Kaypro 10

by oklapokes＠worldnet.att.net

I Would Like A Picture Of The Kaypro 10 Email That File To Oklapokes(a)worldnet.att.net> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > [Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread > Index] > > Kaypro 10 needs home > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" > <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > * Subject: Kaypro 10 needs home > * From: DASARNO(a)aol.com > * Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:58:07 -0400 (EDT) > * Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > * Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Have a mint condition Kaypro 10, complete with all manuals. Looks like it > came out of the box. Works great, all original software. > > If you know of anyone who has a serious interest, please e-mail me. > > Don Sarno > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * Prev by Date: Re: Bad Feelings... > * Next by Date: Re: Bad Feelings... > * Prev by thread: Re: Apple ][ design (was: Bad feelings) > * Next by thread: Re: Kaypro 10 needs home > * Index(es): > o Date > o Thread

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Rescue Required - San Diego, CA

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

Gentlemen, I have a solid lead on a VAXstation 2000, a VT-220, a VT-240, and a Rainbow which require rescue in the San Diego area. If anybody is interested, please let me know at my personal address and I'll forward the information on. The machines are available for "the Right Price" and come with doco. ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum | ICBM: N42:22 W71:47 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

28 years, 5 months

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IBM 3101 terminals

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> I take it youve already divested yourself of wife, kids ,and cats > hmmm ? ; ^ )) Never had any of those! (although I'd quite like a cat!) Biggest coup I pulled was when I persuaded my parents to pay L10000 towards buying my house, just to get my collection out of theirs. Philip.

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Atari PC's

by thedm＠sunflower.com

20 is pretty much my limit for anything. Hey got a Black Apple finally! and picked up a Midi Card for the //e by "Practical Designs" Anyone have any software or know anything about it? ---------- > From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)crl.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Atari PC's > Date: Thursday, October 16, 1997 3:33 PM > > At 07:34 PM 10/15/97 -0800, you wrote: > >>Ran across an Atari PC for sale at: > > >You gotta give the guy credit for trying, this is the second time he's had > >this thing up there. No one seems to want to place a minimum bid of $100 > > Yeah, I didn't byte. I've got a couple of different Atari PC cases (empty) > gathering dust in my basement, but I think if it were reasonably priced, (as > in < $20) I'd pick it up. > > Now, if only I'd had the $ to buy the Atari PC Laptop I saw once... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Atari PC's

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 07:34 PM 10/15/97 -0800, you wrote: >>Ran across an Atari PC for sale at: >You gotta give the guy credit for trying, this is the second time he's had >this thing up there. No one seems to want to place a minimum bid of $100 Yeah, I didn't byte. I've got a couple of different Atari PC cases (empty) gathering dust in my basement, but I think if it were reasonably priced, (as in < $20) I'd pick it up. Now, if only I'd had the $ to buy the Atari PC Laptop I saw once... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Allright Experts

by sinasohn＠crl.com

>Here is a really crazy way to get your display that I've used. I've got a >PowerMac 8500/180 which is one of the AV capable Macs. Just for kicks one >day I decided to set up one of my computers up using it for the Display. >Works great, now on my 20" monitor I can have any of the cool computer from >the 80's in a window. Beat's playing with emulators :^) The only problem >is the two keyboards (and sometimes mice), and you can't cut and paste >between the two :^) Totally cool! Hey Rachel, can I bring some computers over to your place? Actually, ya know what, I know your place is kinda crowded, so I will graciously offer to store your PowerMac 8500/180AV at my place... 8^) [for the classiccmp crowd: Rachel is my girlfriend with the cool mac] --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Heroic solutions

by engine＠chac.org

At 08:54 10/16/97 BST, Philip wrote: >Biggest coup I pulled was when I persuaded my parents to pay L10000 >towards buying my house, just to get my collection out of theirs. Good one. I started a Federal nonprofit educational charity to get my collection out of mine.... It kinda got more complicated than I thought it would ;-) __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

28 years, 5 months

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UPS Shipping

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

> Yeah, my local UPS service desk implemented these rules 4 or 5 > months ago. I understand, to some extent, UPS's position: they've > been hit by many damage claims over the past couple years by clueless > morons shipping PC-clone type hardware. I, of course, feel > that the rules should be different when the object that I'm shipping > is solid steel and over twenty years old. That doesn't matter to > the UPS droids; it's a "computer part" and they won't ship it. Odd that they can't have a waiver of responsibility. Usually the only thing I'm worried about is losing the package. > 1. Avoid the UPS desk and ship through a "Mailboxes" type place or > (if you're lucky) your employer. The "Mailboxes" type places can > charge substantially more than the actual UPS costs, in many cases. The person at the UPS counter actually recommended this. They do charge that shipping fee though. > 2. Avoid UPS and use USPS or FedEx. USPS or FedEx are far more intelligent > choices for shipping between the US and Canada - they don't charge > a minimum of $30-$40 in processing fees for items with values less than > $5, for starters! For Canada USPS is great. For domestic, they're more expensive. I just think they need to rewrite their guidelines to allow for this stuff. If I was shipping a nice laptop or something extremely valuable, FedEx would definetly be worth it! I think another way would be to pay the one time $5 pickup fee for home pickup. Save all the boxes for one pickup. The counter person said they only do the inspections for counter dropoffs. Interesting. She said they paid out like $800k in computer insurance claims. Then a supervisor saw a usenet post about "getting your computer fixed cheap". Supposedly outlining a way to ship it UPS then file a claim. I see their point but I wonder how much they're losing in business? See, it's that evil internet again. Greg

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Bell & Howell making Apples?

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 03:50 PM 10/13/97 -0700, you wrote: >> Disk]['s. Did Apple license Bell & Howell to make these machines? If they >> did, did they license other companies as well? > >Yes and they were all black. I don't think Apple ever licensed the design >to any other company, and I'm surprised that they even licensed it at all. My money says that Apple licensed the II to B&H as a way of getting into schools. B&H made projectors and such for the school market and so buyers are far more likely to buy a Bell and Howell computer than some machine from some company nobody ever heard of. And once the computers were in place, Apple could get in the door by selling Bell and Howell clones... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Info on things old wanted...

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> > IBM card machine may be > pre-computer (programmed by plugboards, etc.). > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > WHOAH here !! Just a minute !! Are you trying to say that anything > without a LSI chip or integrated circuit-board is a "pre-computer" ? Eeek! What's it got to do with LSI? Surely that just means that computers started with the Manchester Small Scale Experimental Machine in 1948? (For details, see http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/prog98/ ) Personally, I think that the later (Ferranti?) machines with ferrite plug programming were also computers, but there you are... Philip.

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Atari PC's

by sinasohn＠crl.com

For those who thought Atari only made proprietary stuff... Ran across an Atari PC for sale at: <http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?item_id=201429746> Seems to be a ebay-style auction site. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Wait...

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I may have saved myself - don't unsub me yet - this might work out...

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Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

I picked up a copy of this book, as it seems quite handy. It has lots of info on older, long since discontinued drives. The local MicroCenter here in Dallas has a giant pile of them for something like $5 each; it says list $49.99 so this may be a bargain. If there is any interest, I could pick up a few to send elsewhere. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist

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Well, this is it.

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I'm quitting my job. I'll be saving all my PDP stuff, minus the rack (Can't haul it, probably losing it.) Please unsubscribe me from the list. I'll resub when I get my new mail address. Good luck to all. Daniel Seagraves

28 years, 5 months

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Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

28 years, 5 months

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Old PC Mag article + Bit Rot

by rcini＠email.msn.com

This weekend, my uncle gave me issues #2 and #3 of PC Magazine, in addition to issue 1 of PC World. Anywa, issues 2 and 3 of PC Mag had a great article on the Altair which carried over from issue 1 and continued forward. Does anyone have copies of the other parts of the article?? Second, on the topic of bit rot, what is the "BRQ" (bit-rot quotient, or time to bit rot) for older 5-1/4" diskettes and EPROMS? Third, does anyone have a copy of Copy-II-PC? Thanks again! Rich Cini/WUGNET Charter ClubWin! Member MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

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Old PC Mag article + Bit Rot

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Richard A. Cini said: > Second, on the topic of bit rot, what is the "BRQ" (bit-rot quotient, or time to bit rot) for older 5-1/4" diskettes and EPROMS? The whole "BRQ" thing had been discussed shortly after the beginning of the list, and most of the wonderful suggestions/opinions/facts/data exists in a FAQ that was created from many of the first discussions... Unforch, I haven't a URL really handy... Bill Whitson should know of it's location, tho. Hey-ho Bill--- are you up and around yet??? May have the URL at home, but Wifey wants shelves up tonite... I guess I won't be dialing in this evening........ HTH, tho it's not much I know, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger Merchberger | Why does Hershey's put nutritional Programmer, NorthernWay | information on their candy bar wrappers zmerch(a)northernway.net | when there's no nutritional value within?

28 years, 5 months

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UPS Shipping

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> Has anyone else had to deal with the new UPS guidelines? Our shipping > counter has introduced new guidelines for shipping computers. Any > computer must be double boxed and packed in 4" of foam. Ok fine. But you > can't use peanuts. Oh, and if it's a computer that works, it will be > unpacked, tested, repacked then shipped. If it doesn't work it will be > returned to you. Good luck. Ouch! But I've not heard of UPS (apart from as an abbreviation for Uninterruptible Power Supply). Is this a shipping company, a regulatory body or something else? > I see the point if they were checking $500 laptops or more. Most stuff I > ship is valued at $30 or less. But there are no limits on value for this > procedure. I figured it was worth the chance of paying a $30 claim for > them not to go through all that. But all computer products and possibly > all electronic products will be inspected. Brilliant! What if I'm not a hacker? My computer breaks down. I ship it to the manufacturer for repair. Oh dear, it's just been returned to me - they can't ship it because it failed on test... > On top of this, all computer parts like keyboards, etc must be packed > individually and shipped individually. Nothing like 2x, 3x, > 4x...shipping costs. So much for those lots of extra parts. Splendid! What about the IBM System/23 that fails diagnostics if the printer isn't connected (although this can be bypassed)? What if I do ship the keyboard separately for some obscure machine? How are they going to test it then? Will they even know which keyboard belongs to which computer? Not easy to tell at a glance (say) a PS/2 keyboard from an RS/6000 one (don't ask how I found that out!) > I think I'll be writing "household goods" or "books" on my shipments > from now on. Either that or start sending my stuff there for the "$5 > testing special"! Basically this sounds like some well-meaning bureaucrat making rules before thinking through the implications. How about "computer parts" for a shipment description, though? It's accurate for a computer, an incomplete computer, a broken computer or a box of computers... Philip. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Philip Belben <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Das Feuer brennt, das Feuer nennt die Luft sein Schwesterelement - und frisst sie doch (samt dem Ozon)! Das ist die Liebe, lieber Sohn. Poem by Christian Morgenstern - Message by Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk

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Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming

by william＠ans.net

> HP3000 types and a couple of stripped down mainframes (not IBM's). Do tell... William Donzelli william(a)ans.net

28 years, 5 months

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UPS Shipping

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

Has anyone else had to deal with the new UPS guidelines? Our shipping counter has introduced new guidelines for shipping computers. Any computer must be double boxed and packed in 4" of foam. Ok fine. But you can't use peanuts. Oh, and if it's a computer that works, it will be unpacked, tested, repacked then shipped. If it doesn't work it will be returned to you. Good luck. I see the point if they were checking $500 laptops or more. Most stuff I ship is valued at $30 or less. But there are no limits on value for this procedure. I figured it was worth the chance of paying a $30 claim for them not to go through all that. But all computer products and possibly all electronic products will be inspected. On top of this, all computer parts like keyboards, etc must be packed individually and shipped individually. Nothing like 2x, 3x, 4x...shipping costs. So much for those lots of extra parts. I think I'll be writing "household goods" or "books" on my shipments >from now on. Either that or start sending my stuff there for the "$5 testing special"!

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CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write-ups

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I am the proud owner of a Timex Sinclair 1500 with 2050 modem, and im American enough since I have my own firearm. Now be nice. ---------- > From: SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write-ups > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 1997 8:53 AM > > oh jeez, not again! didnt we have this holy war for several weeks earlier > this year about something similar? put it in private, please! > > david > > In a message dated 97-10-15 02:22:33 EDT, you write: > > << Sam Ismail wrote: > > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, e.tedeschi wrote: > > > > > OK, even if it is the second (third, etc.) most sold computer in the > > > world it is still one of the most popular ever produced and it does not > > > > Oh, so you didn't actually check your facts then? > > > > > excuse the complete lack of interest that it gets in the States. USA is > > > NOT the centre of the world, you know. Spectrum clones have been > > > produced in Russia, Portugal, Brasil, Hungaria, Corea and god know where > > > else and surely many are not in any official statistics ...... > > > > Actually, the USA *IS* the centre of the world. And the UNIVERSE for > > that matter. And we *HATE* the Spectrum in the USA. The Spectrum is > > un-American, and we American's hate things that aren't American, because > > America is the BEST! > > > > And don't you forget that you euro-trash! > > > Here we go again....if it makes you happy..... > > I am still waiting for your answer abotu the Spectrum exhibit. > > Thank you > > enrico > > There you go, Enrico. The abuse you are screaming out for. >>

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System statistics debate

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

Gentlemen, Perhaps I can calm the waters a little by pointing out that the statistical claims made by Sinclair regarding the ZX and Spectrum computers were quite probably true AT THAT TIME. Numbers have a habit of changing over time especially when companies go bankrupt. So any such claims must always be considered in the context that they were made. I would presume that the IBM PC and its clones probably handily wins the statistical race today, but we can always hope that that will change in the future ;-) -- Hans B. Pufal : <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com> Comprehensive Computer Catalogue : <http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/> _-_-__-___--_-____-_--_-_-____--_---_-_---_--__--_--_--____---_--_--__--_

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CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write-ups

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

oh jeez, not again! didnt we have this holy war for several weeks earlier this year about something similar? put it in private, please! david In a message dated 97-10-15 02:22:33 EDT, you write: << Sam Ismail wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, e.tedeschi wrote: > > > OK, even if it is the second (third, etc.) most sold computer in the > > world it is still one of the most popular ever produced and it does not > > Oh, so you didn't actually check your facts then? > > > excuse the complete lack of interest that it gets in the States. USA is > > NOT the centre of the world, you know. Spectrum clones have been > > produced in Russia, Portugal, Brasil, Hungaria, Corea and god know where > > else and surely many are not in any official statistics ...... > > Actually, the USA *IS* the centre of the world. And the UNIVERSE for > that matter. And we *HATE* the Spectrum in the USA. The Spectrum is > un-American, and we American's hate things that aren't American, because > America is the BEST! > > And don't you forget that you euro-trash! > Here we go again....if it makes you happy..... I am still waiting for your answer abotu the Spectrum exhibit. Thank you enrico > There you go, Enrico. The abuse you are screaming out for. >>

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Keypunch fro 96 column cards

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

James Willing asked: > Now, while the System 3 had a reader/punch for these cards, I can't for > the life of me ever remember seeing a stand-alone keypunch unit for this > format card. I may be showing my age here ;-) but I definitely have used a 96 column card punch. That would have been soon after I joined Burroughs in the early '70s. It was most certainly a Burroughs or Burroughs badged product. As far as finding any, sorry can't help there. -- Hans B. Pufal : <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com> Comprehensive Computer Catalogue : <http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/> _-_-__-___--_-____-_--_-_-____--_---_-_---_--__--_--_--____---_--_--__--_

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CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write-ups

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 03:52 PM 10/13/97 -0700, you wrote: >> start then do a little search on Sinclair and you will find at least 50 >> sites dedicated to the Spectrum. English is not the most widely used And how many C64 sites would show up? Of course, I'd gladly trade you half a dozen C64's for just about any Sinclair... Regardless of whatever, can we remove some of the chips from shoulders and just get on with collecting computers? Or, if you all want to duke it out, send me all your computers first so you don't get blood on them. Then go somewhere else. > language in the world either (Mandarin is). It might not be connected > but it IS relevant to the point. In 1987, the population of china increased by 15 million. Meanwhile, the entire population of Australia in 1987 was 15 million. (Doncha just love Pop-up video?) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Bell & Howell Apple

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Having just seen some ads for them in older BYTE Magazines, the B&H ads stated that their Apples had only two differences, a black case and a much longer warranty (sometimg like a year or two longer then Apple's), As I recall they cost a little more too. ===-=?=-=-=-=?=-=-===?======?=-=-=?=-=====-==== Also will have a seemingly dead "original Mac" (model number M0001) for sale at the swap, my wife asked me to buy it and after I did she learned it is not a machine you can do much on the internet with, much less have it "read" your newsgroup/E-mail captures... Too divergent >from my Commodore collection and have no desire to convert it to a fish tank (I hear many older Macs suffered that fate) so it goes to swap. ;) Commodore information pages. I've almost got almost all the pics scanned and still have a few more pages of history but it will be done in time Sam. (it should look nice, color inkjet!) BTW I am just going through the 8-bits, Early Commodore History, as well as a few scans/copies of older promotional literature, should be a treat for the Commodore fan to peruse. (It reminds me of all the promotional flyers I had tossed in my youth, a Commodore PET glassy ad in color... A VIC-20 color glossy sheet, and of course, that stack of Creative Computings and Electronic Games magazines **ouch!** just kicked myself again...) Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write-ups

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 05:35 AM 10/13/97 -0400, you wrote: >the North American readers should try to get a group together to order >Euro machines in bulk for shipment. All of the common ones and some of >If we shipped in bulk, and used actual ocean-going vessels for shipment, >how expensive would this kind of venture be? I know people who ship container-loads (and less) of Land Rover parts over >from across the pond all the time, for not too significant amounts. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Mac stuff (was: Wanted Misc Parts)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

>I'd also love to get my hands on a IIci system (for real use) and a Mac As an aside, if anyone has Mac stuff they don't want, my girlfriend can always use more computers in her classroom. We especially need monitors, video cards, scsi CD-ROM drives, and hard drives (<100mb is fine.) Any flavor of mac is fine, though IIsi/ci+ is preferred. Of course, if you want to donate a PowerMac... 8^) Also, if there's anyone in the bay area who knows about fixing/tuning monitors, we could sure use some help there. Or, if you know anything about setting up a Mac network, I'm gonna try and do that, so if you want to volunteer to answer questions, drop me a note too. Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Need Apple II GS Software

by bpvh＠primenet.com

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Need Apple II GS Software

by bpvh＠primenet.com

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IBM 3101 terminals

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Mike Thompson wrote: > It wasn't until yesterday's topic of "Those pesky db15 ports" that I > remembered a couple of terminals that I hauled home recently. > The terminals have a DB15 for both the monitor and keyboard. > > Anyway, I hauled home a couple of IBM 3101 terminals. They > consist of a base unit, a monitor, and a keyboard. From the ID > tags they appear to be around 1980 vintage. Unusually for IBM stuff at this date, they are both (a) designed to plug into a mainframe and (b) ASCII. AFAIK, they were used as the system console on some of the big 370 derivatives at that date (4300 series and 3080 series) If I had space, I'd be tempted to offer one a home. But I haven't :-( Philip. PS Are you sure the connectors aren't DA15?

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Keypunch for 96 column cards?

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Ok gang, A discussion over the last few days got me thinking, so I need some assistance here. IBM introduced the 96 column 'soda-cracker' punch cards (example on my web pages if you need a bit of memory jogging) as the new form when they introduced the 'System 3' computer series. Now, while the System 3 had a reader/punch for these cards, I can't for the life of me ever remember seeing a stand-alone keypunch unit for this format card. So, the question(s): was there such a thing, what was the model number, and has anyone seen one in the Oregon area that might be obtainable??? (and... since I missed the last one to come by... has anyone seen an IBM 129 keypunch (std. 80 column cards) in the Oregon area that might be obtainable?) Thanks -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Bell & Howell making Apples?

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

A friend of mine showed me a picture today in one of her text books of kids using what appeared to be Apple]['s (or Apple//e's, it was a bad picture). However, the name plate on the machines were visible, and they said Bell & Howell. The same for the disk drives, which were obviously Disk]['s. Did Apple license Bell & Howell to make these machines? If they did, did they license other companies as well? Inquiring minds want to know... ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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catching up

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

>Enrico Tedeschi wrote: >.....and what about the SINCLAIR SPECTRUM = the most sold and popular >computer ever produced in the world? I think it should be at least >listed in here! >Sam Ismail wrote: >Sure Enrico. Please do a write-up for the Spectrum. Also if you could, >please send a Sinclair Spectrum .......... >And I will be most happy to add it to the exhibition. They're pretty >hard to find over here in the sates. Sam, You know I have a few Spectrums, Spectrum+s, and a Spectrum+3 in my collection. I showed them to you. >Jason R. Brady wrote: > I've been making the rounds of Seattle-area thrift stores. Not much > CP/M stuff, mostly PC compatible. Found....... > How does this compare to thrift stores in other areas of the country? In the S.F.Bay Area, I find the best "finds" at a chain called Thrift Town. I think it's because they aren't picky about what they accept as donations. > Frank McConnell wrote: >I guess it's time for one of those questions I still don't have a good >answer for. Where the foo has all the SS-50 stuff gone? Or is it still >hiding? Or is it just not here in Sillycon Valley? Did anyone else besides Gimix and SWTPC produce SS-50 or SS-30 bus cards? I'm still looking for a 6800 processor card for my SWTP 6800. >Sam Ismail wrote: >I have some questions. First, I'm assuming mine is a later revision >because the motherboard has a date of 1990 on it. The CPU is a 68040. A couple of years ago I bought a NeXT motherboard with a 030 at foothill. It came in the box for a 040 "Upgrade kit" motherboard. >Sam Ismail wrote: >Ok, my NeXT cube is still booting. It keeps saying... I have a book called "The NeXT Book", covers hardware and software. Want to borrow it? For Trade: =================================== One very nice book for anyone interested in computer generated music. "Music by Computer", John Wiley and Sons,1969,139 pages,hardbound,dustcover edited by Heinz Von Foerster and James W. Beauchamp This book was started from papers submitted to the "Computers in Music" session at the 1966 Fall Joint Computer Conference in San Francisco. Authors are James W. Beauchamp, Herbert Brun, M. David Freedman, Lejaren Hiller, M.V. Mathews, J.R.Pierce, J.K.Randall, Arthur Roberts, L.Rosler, Gerald Strang, and Heinz Von Foerster. In a pocket in the back cover is four 7" floppy records with a total of 8 sides, containing examples of music and sounds to accompany each paper. The records are in excellent condition, no scratches. Example: "A Computer System for Time-Variant Harmonic Analysis and Synthesis of Musical Tones" James W. Beauchamp Ph.D., Assistant Professor of Electrical Engineering, University of Illinois. The music example is described as: "Musical Instrument Tones Synthetic versus Real Side 8 band 1,2,3 The example consist of a series of comparisons between some musical tones as they were original recorded in a sound chamber and the corresponding tones synthesized by digital computer .......... ..... The synthetic tones were produced by The CSX-1 computer (A/D conversion) A CDC 1604 (analysis) An IBM 7094 (tape conversion) The Illiac II computer (D/A conversion) Three musical instruments were synthesized: the flute,oboe,and cornet." =================================== A programming manual. SAIL August 1976, Stanford Artificial Intelligence Laboratory Memo AIM-289 edited by John F.Reiser. Softcover, plastic "ring" bound, 173 pages The cover has been separated from the manual but otherwise it's in very good condition. "ABSTRACT Sail is a high level programing language for the PDP-10 computer. It includes an extended ALGOL 60 compiler and a companion set of execution- time routines............. This manual describes the Sail language and the execution-time routines for the typical Sail user: a non-novice programmer with some knowledge of ALGOL. It lies somewhere between being a tutorial and a reference manual." ====================================== If anyone cares: Friday night, the TRS-80 user group I belong to held a belated 20th birthday party for the TRS-80 Model I which was introduced August 3rd 1977. There was balloons, coffee, and donuts. Our resident guru first talked about the history. Then he brought out a Model I and went through the evolution of the Model I. Cassette, modem, expansion interface, disk drive, and hard drive. At the break, we had a contest playing lunar lander for the lowest score. The three lowest scores won software. Finds: Last weekend at the Livermore flea market I found a ELF II hiding in a box of junk. So I decided to put togather an ELF exhibit for the show consisting of the ELF II, an ELF home built from the 1977 PE construction articles, a Super ELF and the Super ELF in the S-100 Super Expansion Chassis. A few weeks ago I picked up an Amstrad PPC640 portable computer. Fold down keyboard,fold up LCD display - the only way I can describe it is - very sexxy. Others finds - APF M1000 (video game sys) and about 5 cartridges, a Coleco Telestar Arcade (triangular cartridge - cool), TI99 external floppy controller and external drive (never seen one before). And a DECmate III. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! =========================================

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CC> re: Vintage Computer Festival Writeups

by dastar＠wco.com

Hi all! Just thought I'd drop a note asking how everyone who has committed to do a writeup is doing with it? If you can start sending them my way I'd certainly appreciate it. E-mailing them to dastar(a)wco.com would be fine. Thanks! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Flex for 6809/6800

by bwilliams＠blackbelt.com

Hi. In a web search, I came across your mention of FLEX for the 6809. FYI, I have a complete emulation system - a full boat 6809 machine which boots FLEX, which runs under Win95. There is also an older version that runs under the Amiga OS. You can learn about it (and get it) at: http://www.blackbelt.com/blackbelt/flexem.html -- Ben Williams (ARS AA7AS) email: bwilliams(a)blackbelt.com Black Belt Systems, Inc. State of the Art Image Manipulation Software Versions for: Win 3.1 - Win95 - Win NT (Alpha, MIPS, PowerPC & Intel) Web Pages: http://www.blackbelt.com/blackbelt/bx_top.html FTP: ftp.blackbelt.com/corporate/blackbelt/ Information: info(a)blackbelt.com Support: support(a)blackbelt.com Sales: sales(a)blackbelt.com Marketing: market(a)blackbelt.com

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Bell & Howell making Apples?

by adam＠merlin.net.au

> A friend of mine showed me a picture today in one of her text books of >kids using what appeared to be Apple]['s (or Apple//e's, it was a bad >picture). However, the name plate on the machines were visible, and they >said Bell & Howell. The same for the disk drives, which were obviously >Disk]['s. Did Apple license Bell & Howell to make these machines? If they >did, did they license other companies as well? Apple made the computers, but added the Bell & Howell logo onto them in order to enter the educational market - successfully, one might add. As far as I know it is the only case where Apple redaged their computers. There were also black Disk II drives for the system, but I am not aware of their being a black monitor to go with them. Although they don't exist here, I have heard that they are moderatly common in th US, but others would know better than me. I have been offered one to purchase, but the person making the offer was another one of these people who think that it is so "collectable" that they could ask what they like, for what was no more than a black Apple ][+. They are also commonly know as the Darth Vadar apples. Adam.

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CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write

by manney＠nwohio.com

They would have tp be packed (crated) *very* well, sealed, dessicant, and insured for everything up to and including strep infection of the motherboard. What if the people bang or drop the box? Anyone going over in a sailboat? manney -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Manney <Manney> Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 5:44 AM Subject: Re: CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write > ><Beaming in ten days later> > >On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, e.tedeschi wrote: > >> and what about the SINCLAIR SPECTRUM = the most sold and popular >> computer ever produced in the world? I think it should be at least >> listed in here! > >I think "the most sold and popular computer ever produced in the world" >would be the Commodore 64. If we're talking about machines made by a >single manufacturer, anyway. > >I've never, ever, EVER even come CLOSE to seeing a Sinclair Spectrum. >I've only seen pictures in magazines and on the web. > >I'd love to find some of those Euro machines over here in Canada. Maybe >the North American readers should try to get a group together to order >Euro machines in bulk for shipment. All of the common ones and some of >the uncommon ones. We'd need the cooperation of the collectors in Europe, >of course. > >There are tons of machines from Acorn I'd love to have/see, a few from >Sinclair, Oric, etc. > >All I find over here are C64s, VIC-20s, Apple ][s, TI-99s, CoCos, and >occasionally a Kaypro. > >If we shipped in bulk, and used actual ocean-going vessels for shipment, >how expensive would this kind of venture be? > > >Doug Spence >ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca > > >

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11/44 Available in NYC (fwd)

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

An East Coast rescue opportunity... Replys/inquiries to the address shown in the attached message -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:11:27 -0400 From: Bob Schor <bschor(a)vms.cis.pitt.edu> To: Info-PDP11(a)transarc.com Subject: 11/44 Available in NYC I have just turned off a PDP-11/44 which has been pretty much continuously running since the early 1980's (I'm not sure when we got it >from DEC). It is available to anyone who wants it, but you better act fast, as others are itching to get the room it is in (and will probably consign it to the dumpster). There are also two RK06 drives, but we haven't been using them for perhaps a decade (using a Winchester disk on a Dilog MSCP controller). There are also two DZ boards on this system, plus documentation (again, act quickly!). Give me a call or send e-mail ASAP. This machine is located at Rockefeller University in New York City. You would need to Come and Get It ... Bob Schor University of Pittsburgh (412) 647-2116 bschor(a)vms.cis.pitt.edu

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Philips machines (and AMT DAPs)

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

At 09:23 PM 10/12/97 +0100, you wrote: > >I wonder if anyone on this list knows anything about the minicomputers >that Philips were making in the 1970's? They seem to be somewhat uncommon, >even though a lot of different models seem to have been produced. > >Two that I know about are the P850 (a 16 bit machine, with a maximum of 2K >words of Core and 9 I/O slots, all built from discrete TTL), and the P851 >(a later machine using LSI chips (SPALU was the ALU/register slice, PLANET >was the control sequencer, taking a maximum of 32K words of MOS RAM). The >P852, P853, P854, P855 (== P850 with more instructions), P856, P857 and >P860 are all mentioned in passing in the manuals, but I have no real >details > > >The other thing I am trying to find information on is the AMT DAP >(Distributed Array Processor), which seems to have been a square array of >custom single-bit processors. It's a little too recent for this list (it >seems to have come out about 9 years ago), but as it's not a PC, I doubt >anyone will mind discussing it here. > >-tony Just last week I obtained a Philips Micron 2001, with no technical information, and would like to find out something about it. (Circa 1981) Thanks Charlie Fox

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Info on things old wanted...

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

At 08:48 PM 10/12/97 -0400, William Donzelli wrote: >I received a bit of mail from a buddy: > >>1) IBM 29 card punch + writer machine fitted into a desk > >Does anyone have any information on these two things? My guess is that the >IBM card machine may be pre-computer (programmed by plugboards, etc.). Sounds like an IBM 029 keypunch... (pictures and some notes on my website). -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Tim Hotze Would Like To Join The Mailing List

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hello. I am Tim Hotze, and I would like to join the Classic Computers mailing list. My e-mail adress is photze(a)batelco.com.bh . Thanks, Tim Hotze

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NeXT cube ?

by mhop＠mail.snip.net

> > I finally got a NeXT cube! I got it with a MegaPixel Display for $150. Why is it called a "cube"?

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Apple III and profile HD

by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

Hi, I just got an Apple III with the profile HD. Does anyone knows how I can access the HD? I can boot SOS but from there I'm stuck what is the HD designation? Any info on both the Apple III and the profile HD will be apreciated Thanks. Francois

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Philips machines (and AMT DAPs)

by ard＠odin.phy.bris.ac.uk

I wonder if anyone on this list knows anything about the minicomputers that Philips were making in the 1970's? They seem to be somewhat uncommon, even though a lot of different models seem to have been produced. Two that I know about are the P850 (a 16 bit machine, with a maximum of 2K words of Core and 9 I/O slots, all built from discrete TTL), and the P851 (a later machine using LSI chips (SPALU was the ALU/register slice, PLANET was the control sequencer, taking a maximum of 32K words of MOS RAM). The P852, P853, P854, P855 (== P850 with more instructions), P856, P857 and P860 are all mentioned in passing in the manuals, but I have no real details The other thing I am trying to find information on is the AMT DAP (Distributed Array Processor), which seems to have been a square array of custom single-bit processors. It's a little too recent for this list (it seems to have come out about 9 years ago), but as it's not a PC, I doubt anyone will mind discussing it here. -tony

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Wanted Misc Parts

by mhop＠mail.snip.net

---------- > From: Richard Cini <rcini(a)email.msn.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Wanted Misc Parts > Date: Saturday, October 11, 1997 6:13 PM > > Does anyone have the following Apple stuff for sale?? <stuff deleted> Did you know you sent an attachment with your email? "Richard A Cini.vcf" Why?

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Wanted Misc Parts

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Does anyone have the following Apple stuff for sale?? - System Saver fan for the Apple II+/e - software for the Apple-made Apple II SCSI card - Mac 400k floppy drive (with or without case) - Apple SC20 or equiv. external hard drive (the one originally used with the FatMac; connects to the floppy port) - IBM 5-1/4" floppy drive for the original IBM-PC (which I just got from my uncle). Model is Tandon TM100-2A with a baseplate number of 172289-001. Mine seems to have a short to ground in the spindle motor circuit (board attached to the rear of the drive). Alternatively, if anyone has a repair/serivce manual for that machine or the drive itself, I can make any repairs to it. I'd also love to get my hands on a IIci system (for real use) and a Mac Portable. Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin! Charter Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Networking

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Can't find list instructions

by rcini＠email.msn.com

How can I get a copy of a previous list digest? I can't find the message that I saved that had the list instructions!! Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin! Charter Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Networking

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SpacStation IPC?

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 10:34 PM 10/10/97 -0300, you wrote: >>recently seen IPC base units without memory or harddrive for sale for $50. >>Even with memory $175 is likely too much. > >I tend to agree, but would first ask what comes with it monitor (color or >mono)? Hard drive? If so, how big? KB/mouse? CD-ROM drive? I kinda thought that was too much... It was $175 for just the box -- no keyboard or monitor or harddrive. This place was kinda overpriced. I think I spent too much as it was. I got the following: Mac Portable (no ps, condition unknown): 40.00 Altima 2 portable (286, mono VGA, works): 45.00 Grid Gridcase 3 (no ps, cond unknown): 45.00 Dash 030 (1 floppy, 1 340mb HD, cond unk): 100.00 6 bay scsi case (no scsi cable, tho): 15.00 AppleCD 300plus: 15.00 External 300ish Scsi hd: 20.00 Some weren't bad, others were... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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SpacStation IPC?

by sinasohn＠crl.com

Does anyone know what a sparcstation IPC is? Is it worth $175.00? (It had four out of 8 SIMM slots on the right (looking from the back) filled in, and another four/4 on the left, and no hard drive.) Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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CC> Sorry for the personal message but...

by dastar＠wco.com

Sorry for this message but I can't seem to get through to Ricardo via his e-mail address (apparently chemif(a)mbox.queen.ti). MESSAGE TO RICARDO: On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Riccardo wrote: > It's a pleasure to help you in building the tech-sheets to be shown in > the Festival > near the machines. > > I have studied your list, and divided in two: for the first I will try > to give you extended informations, for the second, I will give the > specifications I own, ONLY if required (=if anyone will supply complete > infos ). Ricardo, I would very much appreciate if you could do the writeups for ALL of the systems you mentioned. Even if someone else is already doing one, I can always use the extra information. Thank you VERY much! Please have the write-ups done by October 20th if possible. Thanks! > Here follow the first group. > > > MANUFACTURER PRODUCT MODEL WRITEUP > > ---------------------------- --------------------------- ------------ ----------- > Apple Computer Macintosh Plus M0001A > R.Romagnoli > Atari Atari 520ST 520ST > R.Romagnoli > Olivetti M10 > R.Romagnoli > ^^^^^^^^ > (obviously) > > This is the second group: > I think that if anyone else has extended info on those, is better he > will care instead > of me. > Anyway i can give short infos like:CPU,Operating System,available > configurations,video res.,ports,official price at that period here in > Italy. > > If any info will come about these model, please e-mail wich are missing > and I will reply. > > MANUFACTURER PRODUCT MODEL > WRITEUP > ---------------------------- --------------------------- ------------ > -------- > Altos ACS 8000 if needed > Altos ACS > 580 only > Altos ACS > 186 " " > Altos > 3068 " " > Altos > 2086 " " > Altos 5.X > 5.15 " " > Altos 5.X > 5.5 " " > > Apple Computer Lisa 2 > Apple Computer Macintosh Plus M0001A > > Atari Atari 130XE 130XE > Atari Atari 600XL Home Computer 600XL > Atari Atari 800XL 800XL > > Compaq Portable > > > Data General Data General One 2514A > > Epson Geneva PX-8 > Epson Portable Computer HX-20 > > IBM Personal Computer 5150 > > Mattel Electronics Aquarius 5931 > Mindset Mindset PC 1 > > Morrow Designs Pivot Portable I can supply info > only abt. Pivot II > > Osborne Computer Corporation Osborne 1 (OCC1) > > Tandy TRS-80 Model 2000 26-5103 Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Oh! Another idea! I can make images now!

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Murrel has a device card which interfaces a PC to a Pertec-formatted drive - that means I can image tapes now! I GOTTA try this out!

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Timex Sinclair

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I was asking the originator of this message if he would sell it to me. ---------- > From: e.tedeschi <e.tedeschi(a)ndirect.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Timex Sinclair > Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 1:16 PM > > thedm wrote: > > > > Well, im biased as to tell you its value, since I want one :) There is a > > company that sells the new kits also has brand new alphacon printers for > > 30.00, these are similiar to yours. Id like to have that original one > > though. Id pay 15.00 for it without a problem. + shipping of course. > > > > ---------- > > > From: Marc Pearce <marc(a)hoknik.com> > > > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > > <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > > > Subject: Timex Sinclair > > > Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 1:10 AM > > > > > > Hello there, > > > > > > I have the Timex Sinclair 2040 personal printer. Its still like new and > > in > > > the box. I lost my Timex Sinclair ZX81, or maybe its back at the folks > > > house still. What would my 2040 printer be worth. I'm debating hooking > > it > > > up to my Pentium, but I'm sensing sparks. > You lost me completely.....you wanted to know how much your printer was > worth and I replied. Now you want to buy something but I am sorry I > don't understand what you want....could you be more specific please? > > Thanks > > enrico >

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PDP-11/44 Frontpanel?

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

While talking to the local DEC guy (Mark Sherman, sells me all kindsa crap.) he mentioned that he recalled the 11/44 has 2 frontpanel options. One was the minimal panel I got, and the other was a calculator type panel. The interesting part was that the calculator frontpanel was detachable, so techs you get one to use with a machine ordered with the minimal panel. Is that true? Could I track one of these down anywhere? Or is this a simple thing to build? (I am dialed in at about 2400 baud. This is NOT fun... never saw how much Pine wants to refresh the screen until you have to wait about 1/2 sec for it to do so! I think from now on I'll use the command-line mailer...)

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FW (Try this again...) MicroVAXen II up for sale

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Let's try it with some text this time, shall we? ;-) -=-=- <snip> -=-=- Xref: xyzzy comp.sys.dec.micro:1804 Path: xyzzy!uunet!in5.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.232.56.18!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: anthonyg(a)ultranet.com (Anthony) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro Subject: F/S MicroVax II Date: 9 Oct 1997 14:13:32 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 18 Message-ID: <61ioqc$mor$1(a)decius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d24.dial-1.prv.ri.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) I am trying to unload the following: MicroVax II w/ RD53 Maxtor Hard Drive RD54 Maxtor Hard Drive XT2190 Maxtor Hard Drive TK50 Tape Backup 12 VT220 Terminals 2 VT320 Terminals 2 VR201 Terminals 1 VT340 Terminal 14 Keyboards 3 LA210 Dot Matrix Printers 2 LN03 Laser Printers email anthonyg(a)ultranet.com if you are interested in any of this equipment. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, SSG Computing Support (253) 773-8576 Bldg. 18-04.2, Col. G1 Boeing ISDS, Kent Space Ctr. ba.lane(a)pss.boeing.com "...No matter how hard we may try, our science can only describe an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Anyone for 9-track-tape drives?

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I have 3, and that's 1 more than I plan to keep (I think) 2 Cipher 6250s, and a 1550 (I think, it's the smaller version of a 6250). Anyone need one or two (Depending on which one's a TM02 or can become one or will at least boot the diag tapes I have. They're really heavy. And I have no real place to put them.

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Mac Portable

by sinasohn＠crl.com

I picked up a Mac Portable today, but it had no power supply. Anyone know of an (affordable) source to get one? Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Mac Portable

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

The battery charger is just 9VDC, but I hope you have a functional battery, since the Mac Portable will not run on the battery charger. There is no AC adapter. The batteries are lead-acid and tend to deteriorate over time. Eventually all of these machines will stop working. > -----Original Message----- > From: Uncle Roger [SMTP:sinasohn@crl.com] > Sent: Friday, October 10, 1997 4:14 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Mac Portable > > I picked up a Mac Portable today, but it had no power supply. Anyone > know > of an (affordable) source to get one? Thanks! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > O- > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen > know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California > http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Timex Sinclair

by thedm＠sunflower.com

What are you talking about? He asked what the printer was worth, I told him where a new one like it could be purchased and for how much, then made him an offer, whats so cryptic about that? ---------- > From: e.tedeschi <e.tedeschi(a)ndirect.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Timex Sinclair > Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 2:57 PM > > Bill Girnius wrote: > > > > I was asking the originator of this message if he would sell it to me. > > Sekk what? Why everybody must be so criptic? > > enrico

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FW: MicroVAXen up for sale

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

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NeXT Cube

by mtapley＠swri.edu

>It's perfect cube shaped CPU all done in black.. My apologies in advance, for NeXTs are not yet classic, depending on how far one is willing to bend the 10-year limit...but soon, and this is a reasonably good time to collect them... NeXT's first (68030) computer had a processor box which was basically cube-shaped. The front had an opening for an optical drive (or two), there were vertical slots two on each side on the back, and there was a sort of small radiator-fin pattern around the sides and top. Also small feet on the bottom. The exterior finish was black except for connectors and markings (serial number, etc.) on the back and plain metal on the bottom. The processor box,display, keyboard, and mouse were finished in matching black. Very unique. Sounds sinister, but it actually is very nice to work in front of. Of the four slots on the back, one was full of the processor board, and the other three were generally empty. A NeXTDimension Card (color display driver and other stuff) could occupy one of the other three slots. It was possible to put seperate 030 or 040 cards into the empty slots with some modifications. These became standalone computers - the only communications to them were through the ethernet or serial ports on the back, and in fact they had to be set up to net-boot through the ethernet port. I'm not aware of any other boards designed to fit in the empty slots. Later NeXTs using 68040's at 25 MHz and at 33 MHz (Turbo) came in two styles: the Cube case, virtually undistinguishable from the older cube case, and a "Pizza box" case which went under the monitor. The "Pizza Boxes" were referred to as "NeXT Stations" (possibly with modifiers "Color" and/or "Turbo") rather than "NeXT Cubes" or "NeXT Computers". - Mark

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Timex Sinclair

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Well, im biased as to tell you its value, since I want one :) There is a company that sells the new kits also has brand new alphacon printers for 30.00, these are similiar to yours. Id like to have that original one though. Id pay 15.00 for it without a problem. + shipping of course. ---------- > From: Marc Pearce <marc(a)hoknik.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Timex Sinclair > Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 1:10 AM > > Hello there, > > I have the Timex Sinclair 2040 personal printer. Its still like new and in > the box. I lost my Timex Sinclair ZX81, or maybe its back at the folks > house still. What would my 2040 printer be worth. I'm debating hooking it > up to my Pentium, but I'm sensing sparks. > > > Yours, > Marc Pearce, director > H?k Nik Creative > ph: (403) 944-9951 fx: (403) 944-9952 > ----------------------------------------------------- > mailto:marc@hoknik.com > > http://www.hoknik.com http://www.webmonton.com

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I picked up an apple//e MIDI

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Picked up an Apple //e Midi interface, of course now that I'm at work I can't remember the manufactuer. The logo was like a SUN and TWO seagulls on it. ANyone have any software for this thing? It's got MIDI , IN, OUT, and DRUM standard DIN ports On the top of the card it had two rca jacks IN and OUT.

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Atari 1450XLD/1400XLD - schematics / plans / rom dumps / anything

by krap＠zwieracz.psych.uw.edu.pl

i'm looking for any infomation about the Atari 1450XLD (or 1400XLD) prototype. schematics, manuals, technical references, rom dumps, or custom chips plans, serial numbers, vendors, companies that would know anything... thanks in advance... 516 -- = wasza KrAp = krap(a)psych.uw.edu.pl = http://www.psych.uw.edu.pl/~krap = = phone 602-339173 = PGP 50D98803B12327E7 216A787AB7EFD5FA * in arp we trust *

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Atari 1450XLD/1400XLD - schematics / plans / rom dumps / anything

by krap＠zwieracz.psych.uw.edu.pl

i'm looking for any infomation about the Atari 1450XLD (or 1400XLD) prototype. schematics, manuals, technical references, rom dumps, or custom chips plans, serial numbers, vendors, companies that would know anything... thanks in advance... 515 -- = wasza KrAp = krap(a)psych.uw.edu.pl = http://www.psych.uw.edu.pl/~krap = = phone 602-339173 = PGP 50D98803B12327E7 216A787AB7EFD5FA * in arp we trust *

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Timex Sinclair

by marc＠hoknik.com

Hello there, I have the Timex Sinclair 2040 personal printer. Its still like new and in the box. I lost my Timex Sinclair ZX81, or maybe its back at the folks house still. What would my 2040 printer be worth. I'm debating hooking it up to my Pentium, but I'm sensing sparks. Yours, Marc Pearce, director H?k Nik Creative ph: (403) 944-9951 fx: (403) 944-9952 ----------------------------------------------------- mailto:marc@hoknik.com http://www.hoknik.com http://www.webmonton.com

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Those pesky db15 ports

by fmc＠reanimators.org

CharlesII(a)nwohio.nwohio.com wrote: > I found out from a person in the area that low density DB15 > ports if not used for Ethernet are used for a VGA terminal. On NCR gear? News to me, but what do I know? Should you happen to run across NCR Tower serial ports on DA15 connectors, the adapter cable that brings this out to a male DB25 connector looks like this. Both hoods have the following molded into them: One side: TERMINAL 1308-C036-0152 The other side: 006-0089359 U.L. E40323 Ohming it out yields: DA15 DB25 1 - frame ground 1 ------ 3 2 ------ 5 3,12 ------ 4 4 ------ 6,8 9 ------ 2 10 ------ 20 11 ------ 7 I used to use this cable to hook up an HP 700/22 to an NCR Tower's console port. I can't remember whether I had it plugged into a null-modem-like thing or just a gender bender at the 700/22 end, but there must have been something there because both the cable and the terminal have male connectors. Hope this helps someone. -Frank McConnell

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Somewhat trivial question

by wpe＠interserv.com

Anyone recall the "default date" that VMS does (or did) think it was, when the system clock wasn't set? Seems to me, it was somewhere in 1888, and there was a story behind the selection of the date.... Thanks! Will

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Those pesky db15 ports

by CharlesII＠nwohio.nwohio.com

Yes I think that might be the answer. Do you have a spare that I could buy? CL>At 01:52 AM 10/8/97 -0500, you wrote: CL>>DB15's are used by Mac II's (and related models) for video out. With an CL>>adapter, they can use VGA monitors. Perhaps that is what you have? CL> CL>I just noticed (quite by coincidence) that the monitor/keyboard combination CL>for the DEC Rainbow 100 is a DB15. Perchance that's the answer. CL>--------------------------------------------------------------------- O- CL>Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad CL>sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." CL>Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates CL>San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Altair Scans Update/Calling Bill Whitson

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

For those who asked: I have tried with no success to contact Bill Whitson to get another address to send the 4mm tape with the Altair Scans (he must have closed his PO Box). The tape is sitting in my office just waiting... Rich Cini/WUGNET

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IBM 3101 terminals

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

It wasn't until yesterday's topic of "Those pesky db15 ports" that I remembered a couple of terminals that I hauled home recently. The terminals have a DB15 for both the monitor and keyboard. Anyway, I hauled home a couple of IBM 3101 terminals. They consist of a base unit, a monitor, and a keyboard. From the ID tags they appear to be around 1980 vintage. I have not powered them up, but if anyone is interested in these I could probably run a quick test on them. Mike Thompson

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Those pesky db15 ports

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 01:52 AM 10/8/97 -0500, you wrote: >DB15's are used by Mac II's (and related models) for video out. With an >adapter, they can use VGA monitors. Perhaps that is what you have? I just noticed (quite by coincidence) that the monitor/keyboard combination for the DEC Rainbow 100 is a DB15. Perchance that's the answer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Those pesky db15 ports

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 05:39 PM 10/7/97 EDT, you wrote: >CL>VGA uses HD15, not DB15. DB15 is only used on PCs for AUI (obsolete >CL>ethernet) and game ports. DB15's are used by Mac II's (and related models) for video out. With an adapter, they can use VGA monitors. Perhaps that is what you have? Is there a separate port for a keyboard, or do you believe the DB15 also handles the keyboard? (as in a real terminal) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Need Apple II GS Software

by bpvh＠primenet.com

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Those pesky db15 ports

by CharlesII＠nwohio.nwohio.com

I found out from a person in the area that low density DB15 ports if not used for Ethernet are used for a VGA terminal. Any idea where to find one of these things? If you have one that you don't need I wouldn't mind having it. By the way I'm still looking for a power supply for an Amiga A500.

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Update on Altair scans

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Any updates? > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard A. Cini, Jr. [SMTP:rcini@msn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 1997 4:12 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Update on Altair scans > > Hello, all: > > I got a message from my friend with the Altair scans (list > previously posted > here). On Monday, he mailed me a Zip disk filled with scans. It really > makes > me wonder if this guy has a job! Actually, he must work for a > publishing house > or something, somewhere where he has access to high-volume scanners. > > Anyway, when I get this, I'll put together a disk/tape and Fedex > it to Bill > Whitson {Bill: I need your physical address and telephone#} and have > him post > it to the ftp site. > > More to come... > > ------------------------ > Rich Cini/WUGNET > <rcini(a)msn.com> > - ClubWin Charter Member (6) > - MCPS Windows 95/Networking

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Sphere papers gone

by fmc＠reanimators.org

William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> wrote: > > As I recall you wanted some sort of justification and I really > > couldn't think of anything beyond "yeah, I'd like to get a look at > > that" -- really I figured you would find other respondents who could > > offer it better homes. > > There is a reason I did that. Don't worry, I didn't take it personally! It's just that all too often, I can't promise much better for an artifact than that I'll look at it, stick it in a folder and then in a file box in my storage closet. I'm not real happy about that. > In a previous giveaway, NSFnet stuff, > I was flooded by lots of people simply wanting the tape drives and nothing > else (there was one exception). This did not make me very happy, as I felt > that many of the respondants did not care about where these drives came > from, rather that they were free drives. Much of this old NSFnet stuff > (there is more free stuff to come - I unearthed some of the OOB modems, > useful when the network crashed) really does have far more historical > value than actual value. These machines (the RS/6000s with appropriate > other things), numbering 75 or so, were the "Internet" for some time, > and fuelled its explosive growth thru the first part of the 1990s, until > the other ISPs started to appear. Yeah, I remember the RS/6000 episode, it was shortly after I subscribed to the list. I have to admit that I was thinking about those RS/6000s too. But what I was thinking were the somewhat more mundane questions of how best to get one out here to California, where I would put it once it got here, and what I would do with it. See comment above about the storage closet; I have way too much stuff there already. Well, with a sufficient number I would be more inclined to put 'em in use for their intended purpose -- moving IP datagrams around. But there's probably newer hardware to do that sort of thing while not needing as much space, cooling, and/or electricity. OOB modems? Is OOB a brand name or an abbreviation for "out of band"? > I am not saying that the Sphere papers are of real historical significance > - the company simply did not last very long, and in my opinion, was a > producer of junk - but anything Sphere is very rare. Yep, and I really couldn't justify (to myself) being selfish about it. > Speaking of NSFnet stuff, I may be able to get some of the really old > stuff, when the network was built with RTs, token rings, and 56 K DSUs. If > I can get one of the old RTs, would the Vintage Computer Festival people > be interested as a door prize? Aiyeee, token things! Those also sound interesting, both because they're RTs (another thing I'd like to dink with, someday) and because of what they did. Speaking of old Internet stuff...how many copies of the BBN report 1822 (on the host-IMP interface) do you think are floating around out there? Wollongong (the mysterious office that I have alluded to in other posts) had at least two and was preparing to toss both of them, I think I steered one back toward the library and snagged the other for my collection. Back to SS-50: > I have seen very little as well. That says something, as the boards tend > to really stick out in the crowd. They never reached the popularity of the > S-100 stuff, and was probably made in quantities much smaller than just > about every other bus. I've found something else that sticks out in a crowd: I/O cards for the HP 2100-family machines. (No, I haven't forgot about pulling those manuals for you and Tony, just haven't cleared the space and time to really go through them.) Today I picked up a TTY I/O MUXR card. The etched part number is 12584-60136. No manual, but still in its bag. Date-codes on ICs seem to be 7106, 7123, 7122, 7303. $0.50. -Frank McConnell

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Those pesky db15 ports

by CharlesII＠nwohio.nwohio.com

If you bothered to read a previous letter of mine help needed I'm working on an old NCR machein that has thes DB15 ports that arn't Ethernet and arn't serial but I found out from a very nolagibule person was a port for a VGA terminal the other and most not often mentioned use for them. CL>VGA uses HD15, not DB15. DB15 is only used on PCs for AUI (obsolete CL>ethernet) and game ports. CL>Kai CL>> -----Original Message----- CL>> From: CharlesII(a)nwohio.nwohio.com [SMTP:CharlesII@nwohio.nwohio.com] CL>> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 2:09 PM CL>> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers CL>> Subject: Those pesky db15 ports CL>> CL>> I found out from a person in the area that low density CL>> DB15 CL>> ports if not used for Ethernet are used for a VGA terminal. Any idea CL>> where to find one of these things? If you have one that you don't CL>> need CL>> I wouldn't mind having it. By the way I'm still looking for a power CL>> supply for an Amiga A500.

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Those pesky db15 ports

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

VGA uses HD15, not DB15. DB15 is only used on PCs for AUI (obsolete ethernet) and game ports. Kai > -----Original Message----- > From: CharlesII(a)nwohio.nwohio.com [SMTP:CharlesII@nwohio.nwohio.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 2:09 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Those pesky db15 ports > > I found out from a person in the area that low density > DB15 > ports if not used for Ethernet are used for a VGA terminal. Any idea > where to find one of these things? If you have one that you don't > need > I wouldn't mind having it. By the way I'm still looking for a power > supply for an Amiga A500.

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Philips Micron 2001

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

Having just become the proud owner of a 2001, ($ 10.00 Cdn, about $ 7.00 US, delivered.) I have some questions that I hope you fellows can resolve. 1. What have I got, and did I get taken? 2. Although nothing appears to have been removed, I can't find a power transformer in the drive unit. Does anyone know if this used a switched power supply? The outfit has been outside, but no rust. I will let it dry out for a few days before I try plugging anything in. Thanks Charlie Fox

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ATARI 1450XLD

by FAIAZMC＠hsd.utc.com

HELP! HELP! Looking for a 1450XLD! Mike

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Question -- IBM 704

by davef＠wesco.com

Thank you so much, Paul. Much appreciated! -- Dave ========================================================================== From hf.intel.com!prp Tue Oct 7 09:19:49 1997 From: Paul Pierce <prp(a)hf.intel.com> To: Dave Fafarman <davef(a)wesco.com>, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Question -- IBM 704 Dave, >Hello. I wonder if you might happen to know what the word length (bits) >was for the IBM 704? The IBM 700/7000 scientific computers (701, 704, 709, 7090, 7094, 7044 etc.) had a 36-bit word. Number representation is binary sign/magnitude. From the 704 on the instruction size is 36 bits and there is hardware floating point. It is an accumulator architecture derived from Von Neumann's IAS machine. Programmer visible registers are an accumulator (38 bits), multiplier/quotient register (36 bits) and 3 index registers (15 bits.) It had 8K to 32K words of core memory. Mass storage was magnetic tape or punched cards. Web references: IBM 704 Manual (selected pages) - http://www.cs.virginia.edu/brochure/images/manuals/IBM_704/IBM_704.html Von Neumann and the IAS - http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~history/VonNeumann.html Paul Pierce http://www.teleport.com/~prp/collect

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Question -- IBM 704

by prp＠hf.intel.com

Dave, >Hello. I wonder if you might happen to know what the word length (bits) >was for the IBM 704? The IBM 700/7000 scientific computers (701, 704, 709, 7090, 7094, 7044 etc.) had a 36-bit word. Number representation is binary sign/magnitude.

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CC> TS 1000

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

Don't need the $$$ (or I shouldn't after my game hits store shelves in a couple weeks). I'm into trading mostly; other classic micros or console stuff I collect. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Harbit [SMTP:krh03@csufresno.edu] > Sent: Monday, October 06, 1997 2:12 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: RE: CC> TS 1000 > > > > I've got a second 2068, complete in Box, and I think maybe a > cartridge > > or two. > > How much $ are you asking? >

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Xerox 820

by more＠camlaw.rutgers.edu

On Wed, 31 Dec 1969, John R. Keys Jr. wrote: > you may have the 820-II the upgrade to the 820 which came out in July 1981. > They could run CP/M, two versions of BASIC, and used Ethernet. How did it "use" ethernet? (Where di it "hook up", etc.) LeS

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CC> FW: Question -- IBM 704

by fred＠weblust.com

>From: Dave Fafarman <davef(a)wesco.com> >Subject: Question -- IBM 704 > >Hello. I wonder if you might happen to know what the word length (bits) >was for the IBM 704? This was a machine used in the 50s. (Please don't >confuse with a more recent IBM 704 -- apparently the model name has been >recycled after 40 years.) TIA,

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CC> TS 1000

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

I've got a second 2068, complete in Box, and I think maybe a cartridge or two. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Harbit [SMTP:krh03@csufresno.edu] > Sent: Monday, October 06, 1997 9:30 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: CC> TS 1000 > > Count me in on this too, especially a TS1000 or 2068. > > > If you find one that cheap, I'd like one. I only have a > > TS1500. Any other sinclair you can find for that price or > > accesories, and I would gladly reimurse you for shipping as > > well. zx81, TS100, TS2048, TS2068, 2050 modem with case, or > > just case, {have the modem already} Any printer that works.... > > > > > > Ken Harbit > krh03(a)cvip.fresno.com > My other computer is a ZX

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CC> TS 1000

by engine＠chac.org

I have received a phone call from a guy in San Luis Obispo CA (no e-mail) who wants to sell a Timex Sinclair 1000 -- complete including the 16K expansion module -- at a swap meet. Like many people who are peripheral to the community, he has a somewhat inflated idea of what this treasure is worth, so I figure the best education is to just send him to the swap meet. Anybody know of any close to him? TIA __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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Temple Univ. haul

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> Passing on Sun optical mouse pads for type 3 or 4 mice is a crime > punishable by death. They are unique _two_ color pads (the horizontal > stripes are a different color from the verticle ones) that Sun does not > make anymore (contrary to Sun Direct's sales people, the pads they sell > are for the normal type 5 mice). What's unique about the sun mousemats? Two-colour ones were made by several people. I need one for my IBM 5277 mouse :-( I was going to use one off a Silicon Graphics Iris, which appears to be the same two colours I remember from IBM, but it has vanished somewhere in my house. I have seen others with different colours (red and blue instead of yellow and blue) on a coarser resolution. These may have been near Sun machines, I can't remember. I ask merely from curiosity... Philip.

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Good Day

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

John R. Keys Jr. Wrote: > Well today made up for a slow week, got the following items: [...] > IBM 3274-31C with 8" diskettes sofeware I'm sure you'll have fun with all your finds, but this is the one that caught my eye. Last week (?) someone was asking questions along the lines of what the heck does one do with an IBM 3278? The answer is, plug it into this. Neither is much use without the other! I suggest the two of you get together over this... The 3274 is called a "terminal controller". It is not per se a computer, although I think it may have had microprocessors and things in it. The floppy drives were for saving and loading configuration data (along the lines of Port 1 a 3278, port 2 is a 3299 with 8 3278s hung off it, port 3 is a printer etc...) It multiplexes terminals and things to an IBM mainframe channel. While the 3278 and its relatives use the IBM SNA protocol over 93 ohm co-ax, the 3274 can AFAIK connect over an ordinary serial line. In which case all you need to do is write drivers for whatever machine you choose as the host... Happy hacking!

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Sphere papers gone

by fmc＠reanimators.org

William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> writes: > Apparently there is not much call for ancient M6800 micro stuff, as I only > got one response. I suppose if they were from the 8080 side of the fence, > things would be different. As I recall you wanted some sort of justification and I really couldn't think of anything beyond "yeah, I'd like to get a look at that" -- really I figured you would find other respondents who could offer it better homes. I do have some 6800 stuff (not Sphere, Smoke Signal Broadcasting) but also have the manuals for it and probably have a book or two around somewhere with the 6800 instruction set. I guess it's time for one of those questions I still don't have a good answer for. Where the foo has all the SS-50 stuff gone? Or is it still hiding? Or is it just not here in Sillycon Valley? I have a couple of SS-50 systems in my collection. Depending on how you look at it, the SSB Chieftain may be the system that started me off collecting, though I really bought it with the idea that it was all put together out of commonly-available parts that I could replace if I let the magic smoke out while teaching myself hardware hackery. (I never got the appropriate round tuit, and am still lacking a proper appreciation of electronics.) Oh, and it was another few years before I finally admitted to myself that what I was about was collecting old computers. You know, the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem....[1] And, well, last week I saw the first SS-50 stuff I've seen up for grabs since I moved to Sillycon Valley seven-plus years ago. I recognized it as SS-50 at a distance, but it had already been stripped: all that was there was the chassis and power supply, with the motherboard, baud rate generator, and a couple of serial cards. All Gimix stuff but that's all that was there of it. Even the front plate from the case was missing. Well, I left it there.[2] When I went back for it today I got there a little bit past closing time. I expect it's still there, and will go back for it again on Monday. -Frank McConnell [1] "Well, I've filled this storage closet...I guess I'm gonna have to rent another one." Somehow I don't think this is the sort of "admitting I have a problem" that will lead to recovery. [2] No, I won't write about why I did that. Suffice it to say I felt pressed for time, and when I think about the time my colleague in this endeavor wasted before and after I am *still* seeing a little red.[3] [3] Insert a smiley after every third word if you think that helps.

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Switched power supplies

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

I have several switched power supplies from IBM clones that I would like to try to repair, can anyone suggest a source of a book or schematics for these things? Thanks Charlie Fox

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Xerox 820

by scottk5＠ibm.net

Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD wrote: > >A friend of mine has acquired a Xerox 820. It's a CP/M machine from 1982. > > > >Anyone have any info on this? Any collectible value? Any interest? > > > >Kevin I have an 820-II with all manuals and docs, unfortuneately it is not working ( the harddisk controller or harddisk has gone south!) If you need any information from the manuals, please let me know I will be glad to oblige. Also have a ton of CPM software that came with it, so if you need bootdisks or the like I can help there too. Would you friend like to sell his harddisk controller card and drive perhaps? Kirk Scott scottk5(a)ibm.net

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CC> TS 1000

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Well there is a company that sells them new for 30.00 so..... so much for any inflation beyond that. If anyone wants that link let me know. ---------- > From: Kip Crosby <engine(a)chac.org> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: CC> TS 1000 > Date: Monday, October 06, 1997 11:04 AM > > I have received a phone call from a guy in San Luis Obispo CA (no e-mail) > who wants to sell a Timex Sinclair 1000 -- complete including the 16K > expansion module -- at a swap meet. Like many people who are peripheral to > the community, he has a somewhat inflated idea of what this treasure is > worth, so I figure the best education is to just send him to the swap meet. > Anybody know of any close to him? > > TIA > __________________________________________ > Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org > http://www.chac.org/index.html > Computer History Association of California >

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CC> Status of Apple Library

by engine＠chac.org

I just got the voicemail of one of my contacts at Apple which said that the Apple Library was "permanently closed." There was a pretty decent collection of Apple hardware in that room, among other things. The good side is that Jane Oros, the head librarian, is a very responsible person (and I have a call in to her now.) The non-good side is that, as we know, Apple is now in the hands of senior management who are convinced that the history of their company is nothing but a drag on their energies. I would appreciate hearing from anybody on this list who is also an Apple employee and can say more about pertinent current events there. Any other discussion also welcome, of course. TIA! __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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CC> TS 1000

by thedm＠sunflower.com

If you find one that cheap, I'd like one. I only have a TS1500. Any other sinclair you can find for that price or accesories, and I would gladly reimurse you for shipping as well. zx81, TS100, TS2048, TS2068, 2050 modem with case, or just case, {have the modem already} Any printer that works.... ---------- > From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: CC> TS 1000 > Date: Monday, October 06, 1997 2:06 PM > > On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Marvin wrote: > > > There is a swap meet at Nipomo (20 minutes drive from SLO) and that is the > > best one that I know of in that area. My guess is that he would be lucky to > > find someone to pay $10 for the thing at a swap meet. The new kit price > > (minus memory modele) is $30 plus shipping from a company in NYC. They seem > > to go for between $15 - $25 opn ebay. > > TS1000 are so fairly common (of course, in my area) that I'd say $5 for > each is being generous. I'd say $10 for a TS1000 with a 16K RAM module is > a decent price. Even new, $30 is a bit steep. > > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Need Apple II GS Software

by jchin＠aesprodata.com.au

Manney(a)nwohio.com - You might care to try the Apple II archive FTP site at: ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II/ This site has documentation, FAQs, disk images of almost everything that is/was available for the Apple II series of computers, including a section for educational software. cheers, John ------------ A church with which I work was recently given an Apple IIGS (with "Woz" signature on the front, I notice). Does anyone have any children's educational software for Apple that he/she would be willing to donate or sell cheaply? You can get tax credit if you want. Please e-mail me -- manney(a)nwohio.com -- or contact the church directly: Pastor Leo Stewart Union Avenue Alliance Church 12700 Union Ave. Cleveland OH 44104 (216) 752-6184 Thanks -- you'll be doing inner city kids a great favor. P Manney "Un sot trouve toujours un plus sot qui l'admire."

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FW: NeXT cube

by pwashburn＠pbi.net

The keyboard plugs into the back of the MegaPixel display, then the display is attached to the cube. The A and B ports are the serial ports. They are wierd old ones that, on the 68040 boards are compatible with standard Mac serial cable, though I am not sure if they support hardware flow control. check NeXT Answers at http://www.next.com/ for more detailed info, and pinouts. The removeable cartridge drive is most likely meant for a 230M Magneto-Optical disks of the 5.5" variety. They are somewhat hard to find nowadays. Try looking at http://www.deepspacetech.com/ They have tons of old NeXT stuff, and I believe they have these disks. Another nice feature of these machines, is that they know how to handle removeable media and both DOS and HFS volumes. This means that you can plug a Zip drive into the SCSI port and transfer downloaded files to the NeXT until you get it up and running on the Net itself. The following URL is a terrific archive of NeXT software. ftp://ftp.peanuts.org/next/ Enjoy it. It's a great machine. Regards, Peter Washburn >From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> >To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Subject: NeXT cube > >I finally got a NeXT cube! I got it with a MegaPixel Display for $150. > >I have some questions. First, I'm assuming mine is a later revision >because the motherboard has a date of 1990 on it. The CPU is a 68040. >All my simm slots are filled up. How much memory does this mean it has? > >Now, I can't get the damn thing to boot up, because I can't figure out >where to plug the keyboard into. I know this sounds stupid and all, but >the keyboard connector is a round mini-DIN type with a peg in the center. >The two connectors on the back that look like it would fit in (labeled 'A' >and 'B') don't have a hole in the center for the peg to fit into, so they >obviously aren't for the keyboard. Where does the keyboard go? > >Also, this looks like it has a hard drive in it, and it also has some sort >of removable cartridge mass storage device in the front. It looks like >it might fit a CD-ROM cartridge. Is this the case? > >Any help on the NeXT cube would be appreciated. > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Help needed

by fmc＠reanimators.org

CharlesII(a)nwohio.nwohio.com writes: > I have an old NCR machine that I would like to get up and running. > [...] There are numerous amounts of low density DB15 ports > that I think have nothing to do with Ethernet since the spot that is > labeled Ethernet is covered up with nothing behind the cover. I'd guess that those 15-pin connectors are the serial ports. If you don't turn up the pinout, holler, I have an adapter cable at the office (used to use it to hook an HP 700/22 to one) and could ohm it out one of these days (i.e. it'll go on my copious free time list for when I find where I packed the cable when we re-carpeted the offices a few weeks back). -Frank McConnell

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