- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by amichael＠nortel.ca

In message "CLASSICCMP digest 375", John Rollins <rexstout(a)uswest.net> writes: >Third card is another one from Intel, labeled "iSBC 576", with another >8086, two connectors on the top, and an SBC576 daughtercard. I checked my Intel "OEM Boards and Systems Handbook (1988)" but cannot identify this card, although the book lists many other Multibus boards. Intel sold their Multibus interests to Radisys some time back; they're on the web and maybe they can help. Both National Semiconductor and NEC made Multibus board clones, often with similar part numbers, so you might get lucky finding info if you're persistent. >Fourth card is a PROSE 2000, with a 26-pin edge connector and another >connector, and a bunch of EPROMs marked "Speech Plus (c)1983", and yet >another 8086 chip. Looks like the company name is Speech Plus Inc. I guess >this is a speech synth. Strange coincidence! I recently rescued one of these from a scrapyard (it was literally waiting to be ground up into metallic dust). Yes, it's a text-to-speech board, but I haven't had any success finding application data. The company that made it, Telesensory Systems, does still exist and I did call them looking for information. They were cordial, but could not help because the board was just too ancient for their support staff to have any useful knowledge about it. Too bad; I thought it might be welcomed by one of my local charities. I don't have Telesensory's phone number here but try a web search. If you can't find them let me know and I'll see if I can retrieve the number. Please keep me in mind if you do manage to track down some information on it. -- Arlen Michaels Nortel Ottawa, Canada (613) 763-2568 amichael(a)nortel.ca

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FW: Y2K

by peacock＠simconv.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Hotze [mailto:photze@batelco.com.bh] > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 12:42 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: FW: Y2K > > > It very well might be running today. Not doing the hardlabor > tasks that it was origiohnally made for, but possibly as someone's hobby. > Anyway, five years, and accelarating is a odd estimate. PC's nearly 3 or > 4 years old are used day to day, as primary computer systems. The > origionally cost around $2,000, and now can be effectively replaced for around > $500-$800, yet they haven't. Sure, high end servers are still being produced, and in some institutions (even if I can't name any) are updated monthly or so with their server technology. Being from the Big Iron era (Univac 1100s and CDC 6000s), I can assure you no one ever believed any of those machines would last for 30 years. We knew the "fourth generation" computers based on large scale integration were coming, although what was expected was the bit slice type logic, not integrated microprocessors. No one ever questioned using 2 digit dates, because the programs weren't going to be used for 30 years. After all, how many 30 year old computers were still running in 1975? Back then a "legacy" program was supporting Autocoder from the 60s. Ten years was ancient and obsolete. Even in the 80's I saw very few software applications that switched to 4 digit dates. Our company converted to all 4 digit year dates in 1987, primarily because we were revising our major packages, plus we wanted to be compatible with some applications we OEMed along with our own software. Even in 87 I didn't think our programs would still be in use in 2000, but suprise, they will be. Was it brilliant foresight we converted way back then? Not really, more like plain dumb luck. But disk and memory were getting much cheaper by then, we could afford to use the extra space. When we only had 5MB drives and 16KB partitions the savings on 2 digit dates was significant, but once we had 100MB+ drives and virtual memory that was no longer an issue. Jack Peacock

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FW: Y2K

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

OK.. so, I admit, I wasn't even around then. I've never seen big iron in my life, and as far as I know, the school's still running on the Compaq PPro 200 that we got a while back. But here's my .02 on what would think in that same posisiton: >I know I was asking some of my friends what was going to happen as far >back as in the late 60' and early 70s when as high schools and college >students we were asking what happens if this machine should still be >running in the year 2000? Some of us considered that unlikely as the >pace for new machines at the time suggested it's life was maybe five >years and that pace was accelerating. It very well might be running today. Not doing the hardlabor tasks that it was origiohnally made for, but possibly as someone's hobby. Anyway, five years, and accelarating is a odd estimate. PC's nearly 3 or 4 years old are used day to day, as primary computer systems. The origionally cost around $2,000, and now can be effectively replaced for around $500-$800, yet they haven't. Sure, high end servers are still being produced, and in some institutions (even if I can't name any) are updated monthly or so with their server technology. What worries me is that around 2025, a system should last as long as you want it, as the speeds will probably be at the speed of light across the board, so there's no wait state. It's as fast as the software that you choose for it. The systems won't become obsolete. I personally belive that it's then that the speed of light will be broken, but I can't prove that, other than the belief that we will continue to grow and outcome obsticles. What then? Just my opinion, Tim D. Hotze

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Sperry 286

by aaron＠wfi-inc.com

Well, I finally got around to looking at the terminal PC that came with the Cadnetix workstation. Turns out it's a pretty kick-ass Sperry 286 PC/IT, with some nifty stuff. A Genoa 4850 video card, which my info says can display 800x600, an SIIG FK3459 I/O board, a Rybs Electronics HicardAT memory board, a WDC 1002-WAH HD controller and 20meg HD, and a net card to boot. It also has 1 meg on the board and the math coprocessor installed as well. The little bit I could find on the video card claims that it uses a multisync monitor. It has the two rca jacks and a db-9; how do I wire an adapter for db-9 to hd-15? Thanks, Aaron BTW, I also got a couple hundred 5 1/4 floppies with it, including 2 complete sets of SCO OpenWindows 1.0.0.y; anyone want one?

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NEC PC Engine HE System

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hello. Ive recntly gotten a NEC PC Engine system, about 6"x6"x1" in size. It has a port that's around the size of a PS/2 port, but with different connections. The system uses a cool-looking card system, labeled as HuCARD, and I've got two games, PAC-LAND and a game that's entirely in Japanese labeled as THEthen lots in Japanese, I'll try to scan it in later, in a monocrome format. On the bottom, it says NEC PCEngine Japanese, then at the far right, it says PI-TG001 , then one line down, more Japanese writing, then at the far right, 4W writen. Then, another line down, it has Japanese, then at the far right, (PAD-105,PAD-106) Then there's an entire line of Japanese writing, then another line down, the words MADE IN JAPAN. Below that, in another indent, is the number that was pin-printed as 8Z14066H . At the right of the system, there's a port labeled ANT SWITCH, which I'm guessing I connect to a TV monitor. There's no port for sound. On the same location on the left, there's a thing labeled AC ADAPTER, which I don't currently have. Can I use a Nintendo adapter for this? A Sega? Any information would be appriciated. BTW, the controller seems to be a slightly-stylaziied version of an origional NES controller, with buttons labeled II and I, in the place of A and B, a select and Run button (Run in the place of Start) and a standard digital-arrow pad, as found on most gaming systems. Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

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RESCUE NEEDED, EASTERN U.S., TIME-CRITICAL!

by kyrrin＠jps.net

This stuff is apparently going to get hauled away by the Garbage Gorillas on Wednesday of this week, so move quick and reply directly to the sender (john(a)egh.com, or call at (781-861-0670) if you want the stuff... -=-=- <snip> -=-=- From: jasantos(a)ultranet.com (John A Santos) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp11 Subject: Free Unibus hardware (act fast...) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 06:14:36 -0400 Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 70 Message-ID: <MPG.f93c680244458b898969f(a)news.ma.ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d73.dial-1.cmb.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse(a)ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 7 Apr 1998 10:17:29 GMT X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v2.00.753 Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!news.burgoyne.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail My company is cleaning the basement, and there is a large collection of PDP-11 (mostly, some useful on VAXes) stuff that is going to be carted away on Wednesday (4/8) by the junk man. If anyone near Lexington Mass wants to grab any of it (or if you are willing to pay shipping, for the smaller items), please email me or call me at work. Unfortunately I just found out about it today, and it is going tomorrow, so there isn't much time to rescue this stuff from oblivion. Items include: Unibus backplanes (4 & 9 slot, a couple of each) 4 or 5 Unibus cables, varying lengths (at least one is brand new.) Lots of Unibus jumpers (M920 and some of the long ones (M9200?)) Thousands (well, dozens) of Grant jumpers (G727?) 2 DELUA's + cab kits 2 UDA-50's + cab kits (I think one has one bad board, the other works) 1 DH11 (and maybe some spare parts) 4 DZ11's (with CAB kits) 2 KMD11's (X.25 interface with a KMC11B and a line and modem board) 1 or two DV11's (synch multiplexor) 1 TMB-11 (TU10/TE10 controller) 1 RH11 (Unibus to massbus interface, has a stuck bit) 1 LP11 interface several DL11 boards, various vintages 2 Able (?) boards that each emulate 4 DL11's. 2 BA11 10 1/2 inch expansion boxes, one in pieces. 2 TE16 and one TE10 9-track tape drives, mostly disassembled 2 TM03 (maybe one is a TM02) Massbus tape formatters. Lots of H945? power regulators (I think they take 18V AC and output either +-5V DC or +-15V DC, depending on model) Anyway, these are the boxes about 4x6x8 inches that sit inside BA11's and PDP 11/40- vintage CPU cabs. There are also some print sets and manuals for some of this stuff. There might be a few Massbus cables, too. There might also be an old PDP-11/40 CPU board set. If you want any of this stuff, either email me (at work is better; I'll see it sooner) john(a)egh.com, or call me (781-861-0670). I can't guarantee that any particular items on this list won't be grabbed back by the powers that be, or that any particular item works, but hey! Many of the bits were working when last used, in October. This list is all from memory, so I could be wrong about quantities. It is mostly sitting in a big pile waiting for the trash-man, who rumor has will be coming on Wednesday, so this is both your first and last chance. If you want some particular item, but can't arrange shipping or to drop by, let me know and if it isn't too big, I can probably rescue it and save it for you. John Santos -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, SysOp, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272) kyrrin {at} js d[o]t n=e=t "...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them!..."

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Rescue mission - Anyone else?

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Ha! Got my first "official" rescue coming up on the 18th. One of the local colleges (by 'local' I mean Washington state) is disposing of their old PDP-11/44 and all its peripherals. Here's the bad news. I don't have the space or the hauling capability to save the entire system. I'm taking the Fujitsu 'Eagle' they've got, its Unibus controller (an Emulex SC31 I'm told) plus some RSTS distribution tapes and a tape drive and -possibly- a rack. Last call: Is there anyone else in or near WA who would like to help save the rest of the system? If not, most of it will end up with the scrappers. Please get in touch with me directly as I will need to get my contact's OK (he's just expecting me at the moment). Thanks! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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DEC 11/70...

by jharper＠bs2000.com

Hello all... A couple of weeks ago, I put out an e-mail to the List that mentioned that a friend had given a DEC PDP-11/70 (or so he thought) to me that had been 'hardened' by Schlumberger for use in the oil patch. The machine supposedly works and weighs close to 200 lbs. The oldest board claims, I think, to have been built in late 1978. I know practically nothing about the PDP series and so don't have the foggiest as to what I really have. Finally, over the weekend, I was able to open the box (1/4" armored steel ugly thing) and take a look at the boards -- there are a total of ten as follows: (Keep in mind that I don't know what typical DEC parts numbers look like -- I think that a lot of the numbers that I wrote down are actually production lots etc): (1): Obviously a CPU board -- AH13Z-06. Also claims DEC P/N 1216988. Has a 15MHz crystal and is 15.5x8" in size. It has edge connectors (as do all of the boards). (2): 'Bootstrap Terminator' - DEC-81. 5013263C-P2. 8x5". (3): 'Flip Chip" 5008691 PCC-1Vo. 2.5x2". This is some sort of jumper board. (4): 4MB(?) DRAM. DEC P/N 1216988 (notice that this is the same p/n as the CPU board -- that is, I suppose?, the system part number), A88D30824 RA1-RA3: RM8-3.3Kx3 (probably a component label for a resistor pack but not sure); C:TD104/5DX92 AH12Z-12. 15.5x8". (5-9): H-236341 EXT BRD 10.5x8". These appear to be extendor boards that bring +15VDC and a few timing signals out to the edge of the cage -- why there are five, I cannot imagine... (10): "FLIP CHIP". FEB 78 SCO/R1L OPTION M7856 H236602 -01048. 10.5x8" This appears(?) to be possibly an I/O controller board of some sort... Does anyone have any idea of what these things came out of? They are free to a good home -- preferably someone that can actually use them and put them back to work (can you imagine how boring it would be to madly process seismographic data for 20-years -- I bet they would like to try something different for a change) (postage + packing costs). Regards Jack Harper (Friend to all things Symbolics) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack Harper Bank Systems 2000, Inc. 303-277-1892 Golden, Colorado USA "21st Century Financial Applications" Optical Cards for Bank, EBT, and Medical Applications Visit our Web Page: http://www.bs2000.com/talos (Last Update: 970902) ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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TRS-80 Model 4 (128k) for sale

by archive＠navix.net

Go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=10391784 to get in on the bidding for a 128k TRS-80 Model 4 computer. CORD -- ___________________________________________________ | Cord G. Coslor : archive(a)navix.net |\ | Deanna S. Wynn : deannasue(a)navix.net | | |---------------------------------------------------| | | http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/4395 | | |---------------------------------------------------| | | PO Box 308 - Peru, NE - 68421 - (402) 872- 3272 | | |___________________________________________________| | \____________________________________________________\|

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Older Toshiba Manuals

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Saw a post on Usenet answering someone's request for info on a Toshiba T3100 with the comment that the user manuals are all online. Went to <http://www.toshiba.com/>, did a search on "t3200 manual" and sure enough, found this page: http://www.csd.toshiba.com/tais/csd/support/files/manuals.htm which has manuals for their laptops going bat to the T1000LE. I'll be busy downloading tonight... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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FW: Y2K

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Sent to massyr(a)washpost.com copied to classiccomp: My cut on a nook in computer history. It's mine as I was only of those nutty kids hacking a pdp-8 in highschool in 1969 wondering about 31 years lateer and how that would not fit into a 12 bit word used to express date. <i'm working on a piece here at the Washington Post about the Year <2000 bug, and <although there is plenty of info about what it is and how to combat <it, there is very little <history available. <specifically, i'm trying to find out 1) who were the co-authors of <the COBOL language <along with Grace Murray Hopper, Since she was military (LT at the time if memory serves) her fellows would be military members as well. That may help you. 2) who decided to use two digits for the year instead of four, Rather than answer that question directly as I cannot I'll supply resoning instead. Computers over the years have come down in price, up in speed and increased greatly in storage and memory. Those last two items are significant to the discussion. Starting in the early 50s a computer with 4000 words of memory and sorage of say several hundred thousand words of data were large and scarce. The technology for making memory and bulk storage were new. This would remian true for many years, through the 60s. Because of the cost for even a few bits of storage it was resonable to not store obvious data like the first two digits of the date, after all tht was known and the lifetime of the mache was like five years at best. So programming languages like Cobol and more importantly the operating systems that managed the machine would only keep the minimum amount of storage for the variable part of the date (month, day, year). Memory was a premium for many machines and costly way waste it on storing things that are assumed. This habit persisted will into the '80s as while memories got larger and machines smaller many would be expected to run the same or related programs from their older parents. the scene is now set. Another thing was the emergence of standard programming languages where certain aspect of the language were expected to behave the same on sometimes radically different machines. The rest is history as many programming languages like cobol were expected to be dead. However conservitive users like banking, government insisted on tried and proven programming tools and languages thus propagating abd prolonging the life of these burdend items. The burden was they had to behave like their ancestors right down to little things like the date! 3) who discovered the Y2K problem? It wasn't "discovered" nor was it a new problem. Some manchines and operating systems had the equivelent of the Y2k problem several times over and well before the year 2000. The example I know best is the Digital Equipment Corp PDP-8, in teh mid to late 60s this machine was introduced with the following attributes, small, low cost. It would persist well in to the 1980's in various smaller and more compact forms. The significance of the machine was it's the first "minicomputer" to be sold in volume. In it's time thousands was big volumes. Now, it was also a small machine in memory. The designeers for one of the popular operating systems for it (known as OS/8) knowing that memory was a precious commodity used the minimum needed to implment time and date. The year portion was accorded a platry three bits meaning it could only count from 0 through 7. Since this was introduced in roughly 1969 their Y2k problem would occur every 7 years!. This was not the only machine or company, just an example. I know I was asking some of my friends what was going to happen as far back as in the late 60' and early 70s when as high schools and college students we were asking what happens if this machine should still be running in the year 2000? Some of us considered that unlikely as the pace for new machines at the time suggested it's life was maybe five years and that pace was accelerating. Was was missed was the persistance of some applications programming languages. While the PDP-8 has been out of production for over 15 years many are still in use. While Cobol has dropped as a mainstream language for over 10 years the problems that are now tried and proven persist. This is true for several other languages and some operating systems as well. So no, the year 2000 problem wasn't discovered, save maybe for the media person to finally put into print what every programmer and systems person already knew. "We didn't use enough bits and were running out". Allison

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AIX PS/2

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

In IBM's description of the PS/2 Model 70, the said that it ran DOS 3.3 and higher, OS/2 1.0x and higher, and AIX PS/2. Does anyone have possession/experience with the last item? I guess it's a form of UNIX. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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mountain computer?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

got a card labeled SUPERTALKER II by mountain computer. i've heard of the company, but not of the card. seems to be speech synthesis or similar. web search on the company and the card brought up nothing. anyone have more info? david

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Old Data

by pjoules＠coleg-powys.ac.uk

It occurs to me that, whilst we have heard several opinions about what to do with old data, these posts are being achived! If someone who is thinking of disposing of a machine sees that some on the list appear to have less respect (IMHO) for the confidentiality of old data than others might this not put them off giving a machine away. FWIW I believe that we should make it clear on all 'collection associated' web sites that any old data, whatever its nature, will be treated in the strictest of confidence. Regards Pete (Dons asbestos suit and runs for cover ;-)

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Sperry 286

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

Sounds like it is meant to go with early multisync monitors like NEC Multisync I and II which have a 9 pin socket so in reality it is probably just an EGA card. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Christopher Finney <aaron(a)wfi-inc.com> The little bit I could find on the video card claims that it uses a multisync monitor. It has the two rca jacks and a db-9; how do I wire an adapter for db-9 to hd-15?

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TRS-80 Model 3 (ser. #0000510) on Ebay

by archive＠navix.net

The budding started tonight for a TRS-80 Model 3 network computer which has the serial # of 0000510!! Check out this URL to get in on it if you wish: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=10391298 Thanks, CORD COSLOR -- ___________________________________________________ | Cord G. Coslor : archive(a)navix.net |\ | Deanna S. Wynn : deannasue(a)navix.net | | |---------------------------------------------------| | | http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/4395 | | |---------------------------------------------------| | | PO Box 308 - Peru, NE - 68421 - (402) 872- 3272 | | |___________________________________________________| | \____________________________________________________\|

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More Toshiba Files

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Toshiba also has files listing specs of older machines, and a file that lists prices of discontinued items. See: http://www.csd.toshiba.com/tais/csd/support/files/product.htm P.S., the other page wasn't 100% complete (had the T5200 but not the T5100) but still was pretty good. This one looks to have most (older) models. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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math coprocessors

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

[Autocad not requiring math coprocessor] Well, version 12 for Dos, which is what I have, seems to require it. It refuses to start up, quitting with "80x87 required, but not present". Whoever said it doesn't, maybe you have a lower version. If so, which and what's it like? I would certainly be interested in an older version, such a 7 or 8. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Old Data

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 11:47 PM 4/3/98 -0600, you wrote: >> >* I'll return or destroy any personal data I find on a machine I acquire. >> >> ...acquire, keeping it in the strictest confidence should I find it >> necessary to view it. > >More like...if the person(s) that ditched the computer in whatever form didn't >feel the need to safeguard the information prior to release of their >personal/corporate property, then it's of no reason to follow through with any >protection of data/software contained on the machine or disks. If you buy a Except, that people may feel it's easier (and/or safer) to just destroy the machine than it is to try and make sure no one can read their data. What if some one told you, "yeah, I had one of those imsai computers, but I had it smashed up to make sure no one could get at my old tax returns." Not a pleasant thought. I agree that people should be responsible for their own data, but I also feel that we, as collectors, need to hold ourselves to a higher standard, so that people will feel comfortable giving us their old machines. Similarly, would you tell your analyst/doctor/lawyer as much as you do, if you thought they might be telling everyone in the pub what you told them? >camcorder at a consignment or pawn shop and the last owners left a tape of >their after-hours playtime in the camcorder, is it my responsibility to erase, >safeguard or return it? I think not. I feel the same should apply to personal It's your responsibility to post it on the internet! 8^) Camcorders are reasonably well understood items; what if it were a digital camera? Someone might decide not to pass it on if they thought they might not have erased everything... Most of the people here probably know how to wipe a hard drive so it can't be read. (My best guess is a low-level format, then fill it with worthless data? Good thing I have nothing to hide!) But the average AOL user doesn't. When Grandpa passes on, you don't want the grandkids trashing all his old computers because they don't know how to make sure that no one will know about all the porno sites he visited on the web. >Roger: Very nice page of your collection. A few more pics of each item and it >should become a very informative source for those interested in the world of >the obsolete (the computers, not you). I tried to get pics of each side and any important features... You think even more pics would be appropriate? Or do you mean pics of more computers? P.S., for them what was interested, I'm still working (in my Copious Spare Time) on documenting the programs I use to generate the pages. I'll post when I get them finished and uploaded. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Fwd: Franklin computer available

by Roger＠Sinasohn.com

Got this in the mail... Please respond to Ed at ed(a)estival.com... >X-Persona: <Roger(a)Sinasohn.Com> >X-Originating-IP: [32.100.144.158] >From: "Ed Schreiber" <edschreiber(a)hotmail.com> >To: roger(a)sinasohn.com >Subject: Franklin computer available >Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 20:34:11 PDT > >To computer museums and serious collectors: > >There is a Franklin 1000 computer available for donation (Apple II >clone). Monitor, two floppy drives, all cables, some software, still >works. > >If interested, please respond. > >Ed Schreiber >http://estival.com >ed(a)estival.com > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Singleboard and peripherals for grabs (Northern CA)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<It's a Netronix 8085 SBC from around 1979 (I thought the 8085 came out a <little later than that), with some sort of S-100 compatibility. He's <faxing me a spec sheet tonight. I may pick this up if nobody else wants <it, but I'll defer to somebody who's also interested in a (home made?) <terminal and a small thermal (Telepar?) printer. The 8085 is late '77 I built my Netronics8085 in mid '78. I used to call on netronics. Mine is still in use as a Eprom programmer. The system was motherboard based with bus expansion as S100. The CPU was a 3mhz 8085. There was also a simple serial IO (bitbash) and casette interface on the board along with an assortment of parallel IO. The base board could be configured to take up to 8k of 2716 eprom (or 2116 2kx8 ram) and 4k of 2114 ram. The Northstar disk and PT-VDM1 worked very well with it makes in very compact s100 system. Allison

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ISA to PCI?

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Tim Hotze scribbled... >the old ISA cards I've collected, I just got an AWE 64, and my scanner and >PCMCIA cards are ISA-based. So, is it possible to make a device that will >make an ISA card fit into a PCI socket? Is anyone making them? No one that I know of. In fact, I question that such a device is even economically possible to the point that a company would want to try. The architecture differences between PCI and ISA are enormous. The only thing I can think of that -might- stand a chance of working is to construct some sort of sub-board that the ISA card would plug into. Said sub-board would contain the necessary circuitry to implement an ISA-to-PCI bridge. This means, at bare minimum, dealing with a 220-lead surface-mount PQFP chip and its supporting components. That means lots of skill in engineering such bridges, to say nothing of having access to schematic capture and PC board layout tools that can handle advanced boards... Well, you get the idea. I'm not going to say "it can't be done" because I think it can. It's just that I have neither the skill nor the desire to attempt it. ;-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Math coprocessors

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Seriously look for a Weitek Math Co processor, especially if you've got lots of RAM. They were 387-compatible FPU's that used some RAM to boost speed dramatically. As a matter of fact, a Weitek might even be faster than a FPU found on a Pentium or higher machine. -----Original Message----- From: Jack Peacock <peacock(a)simconv.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, April 06, 1998 9:34 PM Subject: RE: Math coprocessors >Ward Donald Griffiths III wrote: >> Max Eskin wrote: >> > >> > I found a PS/2 Model 70 recently, which would normally have a 386, >> > but the previous owner installed a Cyrix 486 upgrade chip. Does >> > anyone know if I can use a 386 math coprocessor with this? I want >> > to run AutoCAD. >> >> The i486 has a coprocessor built in, I assume that the Cyrix does >> as well. Try the software. IIRC, AutoCAD doesn't _require_ a math >> coprocessor, but one does help performance by an order or two of >> magnitude on a 386. >> -- >No, the Cyrix 486DL (I assume it is a DL or DR2 if it's in a 386 >motherboard) is not the same as an Intel 486. The Cyrix 486DL was an >upgrade CPU for the 386 pinout, adding a 486 instruction set and 1K >internal cache. The 486DR2 version was clock doubled. These CPUs do >not have floating point. Generally an Intel 80387 did not work >reliably, but the Cyrix 487 co-processor did. ULSI (and I think IIT) >also made 487s. You can try the Intel 387, sometimes they ran ok, >mostly it depended on the speed range used. > Jack Peacock

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Looking for help with Mac SE Radius board/monitor

by erd＠infinet.com

Having recently discovered this list, I might have a chance at getting some help for a long obsolete Radius product: the Radius Full Page Display for the Mac SE. My late mother bought this a while back, attached to a Mac, for her word processing/typesetting business. It has never worked, due to the fact that the previous owner of the Mac SE formatted the hard disk before handing it over to her. The drivers for the card _were_ on there, but she used the machine for weeks before asking her sons why the big screen initialized but never worked. The external monitor comes up, displays a half-tone pattern, then goes dark. I did manage to get _a_ driver for the card when Radius still had it on their ftp site, but, alas, the ROMs are too old to work with that version of the driver. At the time, my mother didn't want to spend $80 to get newer ROMs from Radius, and now, they aren't available. So... what I could use is either a) an old version of the FPD SE disks (c. 1987-1989) or b) FPD SE ROMs newer than version 4.1 (the ones that are installed there now). Besides the version number, the ROMs have a U number (U19 and U20) and a part number (297-132-D and 297-131-D) and a size (256K). The date on the ROM labels is 1989. The date on the PCB silkscreen is 1987. Thanks for any help. -ethan P.S. - I can burn my own ROMs from images. They're just plain-old 27C256's.

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Singleboard and peripherals for grabs (Northern CA)

by engine＠chac.org

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Speaking of VoxBox...

by sethm＠loomcom.com

I have one here that I'd gladly part with. In the original box, with the original documentation and cassettes. The original box, it should be noted, has been written all over and used to mail the thing hither and yon, so it's not "pristine" to say the least. I don't want a lot of money for it, but I'll accept little offers to cover the hassle of mailing it, plus postage. The only reason I'm getting rid of it is because I'm frankly not that interested in RadioShack stuff :) So hopefully it will end up in a nice happy friendly collector's home being tinkered with instaed of sitting on my shelf collecting dust. -Seth Morabito Computer Historian, DEC Enthusiast, Weirdo Send comments, questions, and offers to sethm(a)loomcom.com

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Recent Brother's Find, More PET info & 2.8mb floppy

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Last week my brother found me something (usually I am the one finding 'stuff' for him. An overhead projector LCD unit! (circa 1987 so it's on-topic). It's a monochrome unit that approximates colors via greys but bhe really cool thing about this display is it's inputs: RGB and Composite Video! So next time I drag one of my Commodore 8-bits for a demo I have a an overhead display unti that works with it! (tested it with a Commodore 128 -in 64 mode-, the screen just fits in the visible area.) (manufacturer Computer Accessories) 00100111101010010010010011100100100001110010111001001001 Andre Fachat, another Commodore PET enthusiast has just opened his 'PET Index'. Much of it is on his latest toy the CBM 8296 (the last of the PET line -I think even after the SuperPET-) includes links to other valuable PET information (such as my PET FAQ). A good place to bookmark if you have any interest in PET computers: http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~fachat/8bit/petindex/petindex.html 00100111101010010010010011100100100001110010111001001001 As far as anyone ever seeing a 2.8 mb floppy drive, yes, a friend of mine has one, for the Commodore 8-bit! Creative Micro Designs (CMD) a thriving Commodore peripheral, expansion, and accererator manufacturer for the Commodore 64/128 had used them for the FD-4000 series disk drives. The drives use ED (extended density?) disks (the high density hole is farther down than on HD disks and there is an ED on the casing.) Unfortunately CMD had to drop the line a couple years back due to the drive manufacturer dropping the model as there was not a big enough demand for them. :/ -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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TRS-80 VOXBOX?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I acquired a TRS-80 VOXBOX last week. It is in the original box <with cable, interface box, mic, and three casette tapes. I remember <when RS was selling these. Has anyone ever used one? Did they actually <work? < <Any historical insight is appreciated. It speaks, classic mechanical sounding speech. Rather fun to play with. Allison

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DEC 11/70...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<The accompanying lab workbook for the _The Art of Electronics_ is <worth obtaining for getting the "Write-Only Memory" datasheet, too. <My favorite graph on the data sheet is "Number of pins remaining <vs. number of socket insertions". (Wasn't this originally published <in an April 1 issue of _Electronics_ in the 70's?) I got my copy of that data sheet as an official looking Signetics data sheet along with the data books circa 1972. It was the EIA/IEEE spec'd spigot in the lower right side of the device logical drawing. IT went well with the ISO bit bucket. ;) Allison

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math coprocessors

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 6, 17:15, Max Eskin wrote: > Subject: Re: math coprocessors > [Autocad not requiring math coprocessor] > Well, version 12 for Dos, which is what I have, seems to require it. > It refuses to start up, quitting with "80x87 required, but not > present". Whoever said it doesn't, maybe you have a lower version. > If so, which and what's it like? I would certainly be interested in > an older version, such a 7 or 8. Even fairly old versions require a maths copro. Some of my then-colleagues at Acorn Computers were involved in negotiations with Autodesk in 1987, to get it ported to the ARM architecture. AD ported Autosketch quite quickly, because it doesn't need a maths copro, but they refused to port AutoCad, because they insisted a maths coprocessor was essential (despite the fact that the software routines available outperformed some contemporary maths processors). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Looking for info on old SuperMac video board

by jruschme＠exit109.com

(This is a follow-up to an earlier posting, but with some corrections and further information.) I recently acquired an old Macintosh II. In it was an older SuperMac video board. Based on the pictures on Radius' web site, I have concluded that this is a Spectrum/8 (original), Part # STD9411, Assy # 1002689-0001. The label on the ROM reads: SUPERMAC TECH SPECTRUM D6 1002690-B 1986 According to Newer`s SlotInfo program, The card revision is 1.0B9 and has a part number of VGB-1. Per Radius' FAQ, I have tried holding down the OPTION key while booting, but never got the "round robin" video mode selection. I have also tried running SuperVideo 2.7.5 which tells me I must have ROM version 1.9 or later in order to select a monitor. Currently, the card seems to be "stuck" in what I assume is the default mode of 1016x768. So, does anyone have: 1) Info on how to get the card into other modes (pref 640x480 for now). 2) Setup software for this old a card. 3) Any info on support monitor resolutions and frequencies? Thanks in advance... <<<John>>>

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DEC 11/70...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

> > Generally for the old machines we talk about on this list, the chip type > > code is easy to differentiate from the date code, because of the > > prevalence of 7400-series TTL chips. Any 74xx or 54xx number will be the > > chip type, while the other number will be the date code. > > Until you get a machine built in 1974 :-). It's happened to me, it's > mentioned in 'The Art of Electronics', and it's doubtless happened to > others here. Too right. And they don't half misbehave when you mistake the date code for the logic function :-) I've got a large boxful of TTL with 74 date codes. Trouble is, I *still* can't tell which is which on one or two of them, just by looking. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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List problems ?

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

Has anyone noticed any problems with the list dropping msgs ? For example I posted some replies to the "Good find" thread and never saw them. I see there was also a "Hyperion" thread which from Jason Pero's reply I presume was posted by Doug Yowza (sp ?). I figured at first it was just a glitch in my upload, but the "hyperion" miss says something else. I'll have to check this with my ISP, if no one else is having this problem. thanks larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

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Dick Smith System 80 S-100 Expansion Connections

by Guerney＠uq.net.au

re my own message: In a search of comp.sys.tandy I have found that the Dick Smith System 80 (TRS-80 Model 1 clone) was known as the PMC-80/81 in the US if that helps. Phil

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from Cadnetix to IBM....

by aaron＠wfi-inc.com

Well, The prognosis is not good for the Cadnetix system. I have tracked down a couple of engineers from the original company (Which was bought by Daisy, bankrupted, and bought by Intergraph) working at various places and no one seems to be able to help. The two most common responses are first that I am some kind of lunatic for wanting to get a proprietary circuit-design workstation running, and second that any and all technical/engineering documents for all Cadnetix hardware is compost in a Colorado landfill. One of the binders that I grabbed with the system was the maintenance record, and tells a dismal tale of constant board replacements for various failures (no wonder they went broke), including a description for what is happening now. The final result that time? After replacing the drives, replacing all of the boards, and checking all jumpers and cabling, Cadnetix just shipped out a newer unit to replace it. Oh well. One interesting note is that this document has some monetary figures on it; this company was paying over $16K a year to lease a 68020 with 4megs of ram and 240megs of storage (2 80meg HD's and the 80meg Cipher), circa 1986. I was told by one legacy dealer that my Pertec-interface Cipher C880 is worth about $50 to scrap dealers. He then offered me a complete IBM System 36 with drives,tapes,interfaces, etc., that I'm going to pick up this week. BTW, does anyone have an extra pertec-to-scsi adapter laying around in the closet? ;) Aaron

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RS 102

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 03:57 PM 4/2/98, you wrote: > Actually the machines are the same size. The PF keys are deeper on the Um, no... The 102 is thinner than the 100. That's one of the photos I took t'other day for my m102 page (getting 'em developed this week, then gotta scan them (gotta un-bury the scanner first), then get all the data files ready...) I'll post the pictures as soon as I get them scanned. (P.S., for more images than you can get to properly, check out <http://www.sinasohn.com/clascomp/images/> -- you'll see the directory listing of all the images I have so far.) > 7) A telephone cable to connect the MODEM in one of these to a standard >phone jack. It has a 8 pin DIN plus that fits the MODEM post and two phone >cords coming out of it. There is also what appears to be a dummy female >connector that fits over the male connector. The idea was to be able to leave it in place: Wall|=--------.----------=|phone | m100 If the m100 was connected, the phone was not. The dummy female connector simply shorted the appropriate wires so the phone would work again. > I will take $50 plus shipping on the computers ($40 for the one missing >the label) and best offer on the extra pieces. Or I will trade for HP Since I have 3 m100's, a m102, and 2 NEC 8201a's, I'll let other take advantage of this... 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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RL02 problem #1 resolved.

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

About the fisrst RL02 spin problem: THere's a small rubber button that pushed the pack cover detector too see if you have the pack cover in. That button had become depressed over time by pressure. I fitted a washer around the rubber plug to stick it out more. Now the drive spins up normally and it doesn't need me to weight the lid. -------

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Summasketch graphics tablet

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

> >> > Can I make one, >> > get one REALLY cheap, or operate the thing without one? Also, it >> >> Don't know. I bet it emits RF, and the tablet probably has a circuit board with >> traces running horizontally on one side an vertically on the other. My Dauphin >> detects the pen in this manner. > >The older sumagraphics tables like the Bit Pad 1, the ID series and the >Apple graphics tablet worked by sending a magnetic pulse along some wires >made of special alloy. I believe this pulse travelled at approximately >the speed of sound in the wires - there was a shock wave that travelled >along them caused by magnetostriction. Magnetostriction? >The puck was a simple sense coil. I had to rewind one of mine once, and I >seem to remember it was something like 11 turns of 30swg wire. That would >be a start anyway. > >Also I seem to remember that the buttons on the puck had 100k resistors >in series with them. The other side of the button was grounded. This is >also critical - otherwise noise breaks through into the sense coil amplifier. > > / 100k >Gnd----/ o---\/\/\---- Button input > Do you know the pinout for the plug? > >Certainly the Bit Pad 1 came in a serial version (and also a GPIB >version and a parallel version). > >There's another type of tablet that consists of an XY matrix of PCB >tracks - plain copper PCB tracks. They are individually driven by a set >of decoder/driver chips which are driven by a simple microcontroller. >Again the puck is a simple sense coil. > >Thing is, it has a much better resolution than the spacing between the >tracks. And there's no extra hardware, like high-speed-ish counters. I've >never figured out how that one works - any clues? > Well, I have this second one. My guess is that it uses capacitance, like touch-to-turn on lamps. >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Nice Find

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I have a bunch of 80 MB mac hard drives. would an old PC SCSI card run them? > >HUH? Neither of these are an helped/hindered by the 386. SCSI is not >needed to run 1.44/1.2 FDDs. You can put scsi in there even when it was >an plain xt. To run the bigger floppies you need a controller that will, >most XT controllers will not. JDR and JAMCO sell a board that will do up >to 2.88 drives in a XT slot. Has anyone actually seen a 2.88 MB floppy drive? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Math coprocessors

by peacock＠simconv.com

Ward Donald Griffiths III wrote: > Max Eskin wrote: > > > > I found a PS/2 Model 70 recently, which would normally have a 386, > > but the previous owner installed a Cyrix 486 upgrade chip. Does > > anyone know if I can use a 386 math coprocessor with this? I want > > to run AutoCAD. > > The i486 has a coprocessor built in, I assume that the Cyrix does > as well. Try the software. IIRC, AutoCAD doesn't _require_ a math > coprocessor, but one does help performance by an order or two of > magnitude on a 386. > -- No, the Cyrix 486DL (I assume it is a DL or DR2 if it's in a 386 motherboard) is not the same as an Intel 486. The Cyrix 486DL was an upgrade CPU for the 386 pinout, adding a 486 instruction set and 1K internal cache. The 486DR2 version was clock doubled. These CPUs do not have floating point. Generally an Intel 80387 did not work reliably, but the Cyrix 487 co-processor did. ULSI (and I think IIT) also made 487s. You can try the Intel 387, sometimes they ran ok, mostly it depended on the speed range used. Jack Peacock

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DEC 11/70...

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> Date codes are stamped on just about every IC, and some other parts too. > > They are generally a four digit number of the form YYWW, where YY is the > last two digits of the year in which the chip was munfactured and WW the > week number, from 01 through 52. > > Examples would be "7830" for the 30th week of 1978, and "8101" for the > first week of January 1981. > > Generally for the old machines we talk about on this list, the chip type > code is easy to differentiate from the date code, because of the > prevalence of 7400-series TTL chips. Any 74xx or 54xx number will be the > chip type, while the other number will be the date code. I learnt this one in a DEC PDP11-05. The chips are TTL - 74xx not 74LSxx or anything else - and almost every date code is in 1974. (i.e. also 74xx). The trick is that the chip no. usually has manufacturers name codes, package codes etc. embedded, e.g. SN7400N for one of the TI packages (I forget which!), while the date code in my experience never does. Be warned! I read somewhere (Horowitz and Hill?) that many distributors got this wrong in 1974 and shipped the wrong chips... Philip.

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Old Data

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> At 07:48 PM 4/2/98 -0600, you wrote: > >* I'll return or destroy any personal data I find on a machine I acquire. > > change to: > > ...acquire, keeping it in the strictest confidence should I find it > necessary to view it. > > or something like that. I would also substitute "personal or commercially sensitive data" in this rule. Philip.

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Summasketch graphics tablet

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

A while ago, I found a SummaSketch Plus graphics tablet sans the little mouse thing, whatever the official name is. Can I make one, get one REALLY cheap, or operate the thing without one? Also, it hasthree connectors; a serial connector, an RJ-11 connector that I think is for the mouse, and some kind of weird square four-pin connector; what is that for? Do I need some kind of card? NOTE: I do have AutoCAD with the appropriate drivers. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

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IMSAI woes

by sethm＠loomcom.com

Hi all, Well, I've got some good news, and I've got some bad news. The good news is that I've finally had my IMSAI 8080 sent out to me >from Connecticut! It's in my "workshop" (a.k.a. the Garage) right now. The bad news is... my parents, god bless 'em -- They really didn't know any better, and it's partially my fault for not getting it shipped out to me sooner -- well, they had the poor thing stored, along with my BYTE and Dr. Dobbs collection, in an outdoor shed. Although largely protected >from the elements, this poor sad little IMSAI has endured two New England summers followed by two New England winters in a non-climate-controlled room. Great. The practical upshot of this is that it's not doing so well. I need help :) The power supply seems to be worst off of everything. The boards, although needing to be cleaned of some spots of mildew, seem mostly OK. Possibly a few tiny rust spots -- I'd say 100% of the chips are replacable by easily-found parts, either period pieces or newer pieces. But probably 99% of the chips won't need replacing. They seem to be doing very well. I have two Cromemco ZPU boards, so even if one has some bad parts, I should be able to take spares from the other. But that power supply... eek. The transformer is covered in a thick layer of rust, and the whole thing just looks dirty and mildewed. I think the best course of action now would be to desolder every component of the power supply and build a new one -- sadly, losing a bit of IMSAI authenticity in the process. Oh well... Say, does anyone know where I can get a pair of 95000uF 15VDC electrolytic capacitors? =) Oh, and a pair of 10000uF 25VDC -- mustn't forget those. The good news here is that I have the original IMSAI User Manual -- the one with complete system diagrams and assembly instructions, since this was a kit. Full parts list and photos from many angles. This will make rebuilding the power supply _so_ much easier. The S100 backplane is mildewed as well. How should I clean this? I know this is probably a FAQ question, but I still can't find the archives of this list, I'm afraid. I'll probably also need to replace the little screws that hold on the front panel plexiglass. It's really odd how some little components, like these, rusted over terribly, while 95% of the rest of the system just has mildew or mold spots, and no rust. Weird (but wow I'm glad. Of course, I think the chassis is aluminum, so it's no wonder it didn't rust =) Time for a Fry's run... If anyone would like to help me out with this little project, please drop me a line. I'm a bit out of my league here -- see, I'm mainly a software guy, and my hardware building/fixing experience is very slim. I can work a soldering iron alright, but that's about where my electronics skill ends :) I have, however, always wanted to learn. Suggestions welcome! Note, however, that it is not productive to point at me and go "HA ha!" :) -Seth

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VT 131 FS

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

I have a newly acquired DEC VT 131 with keyboard to get rid of. In great physical shape, untested working condition. I'll know more about the electrical condition. Whether working or not I need $15 plus shipping for this unit. I need to weigh it as well but wanted to give everyone a chance to mull it over and have a chance to inquire while I check on the working condition and weight. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

28 years, 2 months

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Stringy Floppy?

by wheagy＠erols.com

One other item I recently acquired that I thought I'd ask about. Ever hear of the Exatron Stringy Floppy mass storage system? The one I have was apparently used with a TRS-80 model 1. But it had a brochure that said it was available for S-100 and 6800 systems. It is a minature tape system...the tapes look like very small casette tapes. The tapes/waffers apparently come in different sizes with a 5 foot length holding about 4k. Anyone ever use one? Seems pretty interesting. Thanks...Win -- Win Heagy wheagy(a)erols.com

28 years, 2 months

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Computer Garage - Virtual Garage Sale

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Well... I find myself on the virge of a major equipment aquisition and development project, and it has become painfully obvious (as I fall over things trying to map out space) that I need to free up some major space in both the Computer Garage and warehouse. So, I offer up the first Computer Garage 'Virtual Garage Sale'. (since it always grates me when I see a posting from someone about their latest Ebay auction rather than letting the group have a first shot) The Garage rules are fairly simple: (tho rambling) 1) The sale will run for one calendar week. After that any items not spoken for will most likely end up in an auction on Ebay. 2) All items are to be considered complete, but untested unless specified in its listing. 3) Documentation is not included. I have docs on many of the items (somewhere in the archives), but if I have to find them it will add $5.00 to the cost of the item. 4) Shipping is not included. Figure $5.00 for most (small) items such as S-100 boards and such. Larger (heavier) items will ship at prevailing UPS rates plus cost of packaging. If you are close enough (to Oregon) to pick things up, all the better (and cheaper) 5) To claim an item, respond by email. I must receive payment for the item (plus applicable shipping) within seven business days (weekends don't count) from the time I confirm your request or the item will be released for the next inquiry or to go into the auction. Orders paid by check will held for five business days, orders paid by bank or Postal Money Order will be shipped as soon as possible. 6) In the event that multiple people request the same item, the message that arrives first will get the first shot. 7) All descriptions reflect as much information as I have on the items at the moment, and usually reflect their manufacturer's designation or model number. If you don't know what it is, ASK! If possible/practical, I'll try to get more information/details. Once you have it, it is yours. If it is not what you thought it was, you had your chance. 8) Trade offers may be considered (see my web page for the wish list) but it would have to be a good one! (now, if you have contacts in the bowling equipment industry, send me an email and lets talk) 9) Prices on items are not (firmly) cast in concrete, but let's not get too ridiculous. Offers will be considered, remember I'm trying to make space as much as money, but Ebay lurks. Price are per item. There are multiples of some items. (and all price flames direct to /dev/null) If you want a bidding war, wait for the auction. 10) All sales are final. There will likely be more items to follow, but this is what I could get to/catalog this weekend... Now... On to the list! ============================================================================ ======= S-100 compatable items qty. 1 - CompuPro (Godbout) CPU 86/86 - $35.00 qty. 1 - CompuPro RAM 17 - $35.00 qty. 1 - CompuPro System Support 1 - $35.00 qty. 3 - CompuPro RAM 22 - $45.00 qty. 1 - CompuPro NET 100A - $50.00 qty. 2 - CompuPro Disk 1 - $30.00 qty. 1 - CompuPro disk 1A - $35.00 qty. 1 - CompuPro SPIO - #25.00 qty. 1 - CompuPro SP186 - $35.00 qty. 1 - CompuPro Interfacer 3+ - $30.00 qty. 1 - CompuPro Interfacer 4+ - $35.00 qty. 2 - CompuPro CPU 8085/88 - $35.00 qty. 4 - CompuPro 20 slot shielded/terminated S-100 motherboards (with all connectors) - $50.00 qty. 1 - Teletek SBC-1 (single board computer) - $25.00 qty. 1 - Teletek SBC-1 (socketed board, no components) - $5.00 qty. 2 - CCT Printerfacer 1 (printer interface/buffer) - $25.00 qty. 1 - Konan DCG100 hard drive controller - $35.00 qty. 1 - California Computer Corp. Modem 2501A 12 slot shielded S-100 motherboard (with all connectors) - $25.00 qty. 1 - S-100 rack mount chassis (mfgr. unknown) - $40.00 ============================================================================ ======= Computers qty. 1 - DEC VAXstation 3540 (badged as a 3520, but has 2nd CPU board.) memory, no drives, drive/console cabling missing, dress panel missing, tower cabinet - $150.00 qty. 2 - DEC DECstation 2100 - $45.00 qty. 2 - Altos Model 580 - $40.00 qty. 2 - Altos Model 586 - $45.00 qty. 1 - Bell & Howell (Black) Apple ][+ - $45.00 qty. 1 - Compaq Deskpro 386/20e - $20.00 qty. 1 - Compaq Deskpro 433i - $30.00 ============================================================================ ======= Disk Drives qty. 2 - DEC Storage Expantion Units (matching cabinets to the DECstations) with (I believe) two RZ24 drives in each - $40.00 qty. 2 - DEC Storage Expantion Units (VAXstation 2000 style cabinets) with one RZ55 drive in each) - $30.00 qty. 1 - NEC Disk Unit PC-8881 (single 8 inch drive in cabinet) - $15.00 qty. 1 - Fujitsu dual 5.25 inch drive unit Model MB27611 (appears to have some type of interface/controller board mounted in cabinet) - $15.00 ============================================================================ ======= Misc. qty. 1 - Black Box HPIB (IEEE-488) AB Switch - $10.00 qty. 1 - ICS Electronics Model 4880 Instrument Controller - $20.00 qty. 3 - Qume QVT101 Video Terminals - $20.00 qty. 1 - Tektronix Model 650 Studio Video Monitor - $50.00 qty. 1 - Compaq docking station (if there is any interest, I'll try to get the model number) - $10.00 qty. 1 - DEC VAX 11/750 backplane (with or without card cage) - $25.00 qty. 1 - DEC VAX 11/750 power supply (H7104-C) - $20.00 qty. 1 - DEC VAX 11/750 power supply (H7104-D) - $20.00 qty. 1 - DEC VAX 11/750 power controller (875A) - $20.00 qty. 1 - DEC LN03 Laser Printer - $20.00 qty. (lots) - 5.25 inch diskettes DD or HD, mixed soft sector/hard sector. (specify your needs, I'll see what I've got) - $0.10 ============================================================================ ======= Let the crazyness begin... -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

>The cached (486) and highly piplined (pentium and friends) are more >variable as the clock speed is only an indicator of performance and if >the code runs with a log of cache misses the speed can really drop to >nothing. I know as the external cache croaked on my 486/25 and I ran >for a bit with the internal cache turned off and the performance was >worse than a 286/12! With the internal cache running it was only about >10% off the performance of the 64k external cache. Just to give you and >idea. Are you saying that a 486 is only faster than a 286 because of the cache? ><That's one, but there are many others. You could recompile them to be ><optimized for a 386, though. > >Funny I have unix v7 running on a PDP11 with only 256kb of ram. it can be >done. Isn't v7 the latest UNIX distribution? ><><>Windows 3.1 does run on it with the 1meg. ><>Runs good and most software that will fit in 1meg runs ok. Swapping is ><>heavy though so a fast disk helps. I once had an old 386 with a 20MB MFM hard drive and 2MB RAM. Windows ran OK, but Word 2.0 ran very poorly. Strange that I've never seen 3.0. Is it rare? > >IF you mean running netscape, that monster wants a minimum of 8m just to >run and will still crash if pressed. Wordperfect for windows runs great, >as does Word3.0 in 1meg. There are a lot of older packages that run real >well in winders3.1 and 2meg or less. > Actually, Windows 3.0 came with a copy of MS-DOS executive, the precursor to the program manager, while 3.1 didn't. That's not bad, as well as the ability to run real mode programs. >Windoes 3.0 was not widely supported and it was upgraded to 3.1. ><already have. BTW, where can I get a lisence+docs, disks for Windows 2.x Well, someone from this list let me copy his. It's not bad, but needs DOS Version 3.3. You can use Setver for the same thing, but you will have to disable it for Windows 95, which needs at least 7.0. I have DOS 3.3, and it's a good DOS. If only it had MOVE...I can send anyone who wants them some copies. I THINK I have four more boxes. Five are already spoken for. It's too bad that Linux needs so much space and so little RAM. I would rather have somewhat of a greater balance... I installed red hat recently, and it's an awful pain, just like slackware. I wish I could install Mac System 1.0 on my PC without emulators... >Yes I did with help from a few people. The system it's on is a 386DX/33 >with 128k cache and a 420mb IDE and a CDrom. I'm not running X on it as it >only has 8megs and a low end VGA board currently. I'm not that >enthusastic over it as somea re. > > >Allison > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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TRS-80 Model 1 monitor?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I recently picked-up a couple TRS-80 model 1 keyboards, but there <was no monitor. Does anyone have info on using a B/W TV as <the monitor? I understand that the model 1 monitor was basically <a converted TV. Yes, you can take video from pin4 video and pin5 (ground) and drive a common NSTC monitor. Allison

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Math coprocessors

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I found a PS/2 Model 70 recently, which would normally have a 386, but the previous owner installed a Cyrix 486 upgrade chip. Does anyone know if I can use a 386 math coprocessor with this? I want to run AutoCAD. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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SCSI Termination

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Zane Healy proclaimed... >Basically I've got a really stupid question, does the external SCSI bus >HAVE to be terminated? If so any idea's on how to go about doing that >without finding a DEC terminator? The only "stupid" question is the one you keep to yourself. ;-) To answer; yes, you must have termination at both physical ends of a SCSI bus for reliable operation. If the DEC terminator you mention is the one I'm thinking of, I've looked on the insides and have not been impressed. They're simple passive terminators, suitable for short runs and low speeds. What device is it you're seeking termination for? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

<megahertz (the Cyrix PR233's only 187.5) and actually benchmarking and <performing like an Intel at a higher speed? <>Besides it's checkes out on mine at 16 using norton, QAFE+ and a few <>others. <OK. If there's one thing that I've learned, what chip manufacturers put <chips means nearly NOTHING. It's the software, RAM, bus and how they wor <together that makes performance/lack thereof. What on the chip is the design maximum (which may be exceeded by over clocking at some risk), however the system design, wait states, bus interface and a host of other design factor can slow the cpu down. The cached (486) and highly piplined (pentium and friends) are more variable as the clock speed is only an indicator of performance and if the code runs with a log of cache misses the speed can really drop to nothing. I know as the external cache croaked on my 486/25 and I ran for a bit with the internal cache turned off and the performance was worse than a 286/12! With the internal cache running it was only about 10% off the performance of the 64k external cache. Just to give you and idea. <>Look up ELKS. <That's one, but there are many others. You could recompile them to be <optimized for a 386, though. Funny I have unix v7 running on a PDP11 with only 256kb of ram. it can be done. <><>Windows 3.1 does run on it with the 1meg. <>Runs good and most software that will fit in 1meg runs ok. Swapping is <>heavy though so a fast disk helps. <Yeah, but how much Windows 3.1 software fits on a meg? I'd say at least <I ran Windows 3.1 from 1993 to 1997, and I'd have to say that most progra <that I ran were fairly large, most in double-digit MB's. IF you mean running netscape, that monster wants a minimum of 8m just to run and will still crash if pressed. Wordperfect for windows runs great, as does Word3.0 in 1meg. There are a lot of older packages that run real well in winders3.1 and 2meg or less. <>3.0 is ok but it will not run some apps at all! <Yeah, and Windows 3.1 won't run a lot of apps. It really all depends on <owner, what they want to do, how they want to do it, and what SW they Windoes 3.0 was not widely supported and it was upgraded to 3.1. <already have. BTW, where can I get a lisence+docs, disks for Windows 2.x <I need one for the above computer... Why? For historical points but it was a dog and buggy as hell. <Really? 3.3? Yep! <BTW, did you ever get that Linux box working? I just started <w/Linux in Jan. and since then, I've installed, removed, reformated and r <7 or so distributions. If you want, I can help, although I doubt my <usefulnes past my own machines... Yes I did with help from a few people. The system it's on is a 386DX/33 with 128k cache and a 420mb IDE and a CDrom. I'm not running X on it as it only has 8megs and a low end VGA board currently. I'm not that enthusastic over it as somea re. Allison

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TRS-80 VOXBOX?

by wheagy＠erols.com

I acquired a TRS-80 VOXBOX last week. It is in the original box with cable, interface box, mic, and three casette tapes. I remember when RS was selling these. Has anyone ever used one? Did they actually work? Any historical insight is appreciated. Thanks...Win -- Win Heagy wheagy(a)erols.com

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TRS-80 Model 1 monitor?

by wheagy＠erols.com

Hi, I recently picked-up a couple TRS-80 model 1 keyboards, but there was no monitor. Does anyone have info on using a B/W TV as the monitor? I understand that the model 1 monitor was basically a converted TV. Thanks...Win -- Win Heagy wheagy(a)erols.com

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

<>It's warped. It's a 386/16 and that's all. <Yeah, but with extra RAM, etc. it could very well benchmark as a higher o <lower MHz, even with today's Winbench's. Lower mhz yes faster never. Faster means a timer error or the program is broken. The 386 implmentation on that card is very vanilla and no cache. Besides it's checkes out on mine at 16 using norton, QAFE+ and a few others. <Linux won't run XF86 even in mono mode with less than 8MB RAM, which make <zero sense because any PC that shipped with 8MB RAM and a mono card was Whatever you do don't tell my 386sx/33 that! It might stop working. < There are several projects going on to have Linux run on 286 and lowe <machines, and, of course, lowering RAM consumption. There's an 8MB <distribution that only requires 512K (I believe) RAM, if you give it enou <swap space (in that case, it would be 3.5MB) Look up ELKS. <>Windows 3.1 does run on it with the 1meg. <It'll run, but in my experience, Windows 3.1 doesn't do to much with it. <friends 286 (they were still using it last summer when they moved, but i <was retrofit with MY 210MB HDD, and a SVGA monitor and graphics card) Yo <can't extract files, run most software that was designed for Windows 3.1 Runs good and most software that will fit in 1meg runs ok. Swapping is heavy though so a fast disk helps. 3.0 is ok but it will not run some apps at all! <I'd go with 3.0, if I had a choice. If I was you, I would just upgrade t <DOS 5.0 or so. It'll run loads of software, and is more consistent with I'm running 6.22 and LW had 5.x on his. <hardware that you have, minus the 386CPU. And, it's smaller, so you coul <actually have more software on it. Come to think of it, I believe that <Windows 3.1 is like 25MB, plus the DOS 5.0 that's required to run it, whi <fits on 5 720K floppies, I believe. Huh? I had 6.22, win3.1, procomm+, and a few other things and had about 4.5mb free on a 20mb drive. DO5.0 would reduce it some but not alot, 3.3 would be far smaller and still run w3.1. Allison

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More Cadnetix notes

by aaron＠wfi-inc.com

Ok, I ripped it to pieces. The drives x2 are Micropolis 1325's, connected via an adaptec card: Adaptec Inc. 400041-00A (c) 1985 In the backplane, there are 6 vertical slots. From left to right: 1) 68020 processor board 2) "Graphics Memory" board, with chips that say: Intech 52467 VDAL 0405H vli 601s 01152 vl6845E-23PC syp6845EA 3) The display board? Main chip: LOGIC LMI16DC 0114A 8448 4) Empty 5) Memory 6) Empty I am afraid it may have been cannabalized, with the empty slots and all. The other side of the backplane has all three of these slots interconnected with ribbon cables, and the 6th has what looks like some kind of resistor-pack board on part of the pins. Any clues? An hour of searching on the internet only found resumes of engineers who used it for pcb design. TIA, Aaron

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by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-04-05 14:35:36 EDT, you write: << Has anyone actually seen a 2.88 MB floppy drive? >> certain 95xx ps2 models such as my 9577 and a few older thinkpadss had 2.88 drives. i think i saw some aftermarket 2.88 drives a few years ago, but nothing since. david

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Cadnetix help needed

by aaron＠wfi-inc.com

Hi all, I picked up the "Sun" workstation that appeared for free here a couple of weeks back and was pleasantly surprised at the haul, and a little perplexed. What I got: Cadnetix box with big colour monitor Cipher C880 tape unit (Big sucker) CItoh 1550B DM printer A 286 workstation Optical mice/pads and keyboards All the thick-ethernet cabling and hardware for the PC nodes About 30 10" tapes containing schematics for their legacy products About 30 8" diskettes (Dysan!) with really neat 2-pack 3-ring holders About 100 5 1/4" diskettes with SCO stuff on them Since it was supposedly working when pulled, I plugged everything in and just fired it up (Well, I looked into the top of the case first to make sure there wasn't any sign of rust or water damage). So far, nothing. I finally figured out how to get the case apart (very tricky little latch that has to be pulled from the *inside*) and have examined it in more detail. I believe it's a 68020 machine, and the manual says it runs a "Cadnetix-modified" version of Berkley Unix 4.2. There are two large HD's which are extremely inaccessable, but I may have to pull them to look since they make a lot of noise. There is a 6-slot vertical backplane with 4 cards; what I believe is the memory board, the 68020 board, one marked "Graphic Ram J177 Rev C", and one that is attached to the last with ribbon cables. The keyboard plugs into the back of the display and the mouse into the keyboard. Oh yeah, and there are three 5" fans screaming away in there. BTW, it's been powered on for 20 minutes or so with no display. My Sun 3/50 with 12 megs of ram only takes 5. The display is just black, although on power on/off I can see signs of life (red/blue/white lines for an instant). Anyone have any technical info on this monster? I have the system users guide, but no technical data on it whatsoever. Thanks, Aaron PS - I think my wife was thinking divorce when I kept carrying boxes into the house; I don't want to eat my pride and find that I can't get this working....

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new hamfest additions

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

for those of you that goto hamfests/radio rallies, here is a tip. if possible, see if you can get in the night before under the premise of "setting up" i actually did buy a table to sell some things, but me and another guy were able to get inthe night before and set up our table and get our tickets. we were also able to scope out other's tables and get the best stuff. unfortunately, i missed out on a table of small hard drives for $4 each, and was a minute late to get a home based robot called robie for $20. (grrrrrr) best thing to do is scan everyone else's things all the time and buy what you see. nobody refused to sell to us. i didnt sell much but here's what i bought: 4 mac adb keyboards, not tested $1 kaypro II with matching printer in great shape with original books and system disks $10 nec scsi card for ps2 $4 apple ][+ with enhanced encoder board, ssc, and videx videoterm with dual floppy drives. also got a box labeled applemouse, but it had 6 mouse cards in it, but no mouses! also got hayes micromodem and dos/pascal manuals. apple cd drive, two scsi cases, one with drive, one blank , $1 each ps2 xga card profile drive, no controller card, may have a lead on two lisas from the guy i got it from. also got some late model things cheap that arent worth mentioning. this may be old hat, but i've noticed that it's worth mentioning you are interested in old computers and are looking for X computer. that's how i got the lead on the lisas. david

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by photze＠batelco.com.bh

><Yeah, but with extra RAM, etc. it could very well benchmark as a higher o ><lower MHz, even with today's Winbench's. > >Lower mhz yes faster never. Faster means a timer error or the program is >broken. The 386 implmentation on that card is very vanilla and no cache. Ok. Than what the heck is all this about AMD's and Cyrix's having LOWER megahertz (the Cyrix PR233's only 187.5) and actually benchmarking and performing like an Intel at a higher speed? >Besides it's checkes out on mine at 16 using norton, QAFE+ and a few >others. OK. If there's one thing that I've learned, what chip manufacturers put on chips means nearly NOTHING. It's the software, RAM, bus and how they work together that makes performance/lack thereof. ><Linux won't run XF86 even in mono mode with less than 8MB RAM, which make ><zero sense because any PC that shipped with 8MB RAM and a mono card was > >Whatever you do don't tell my 386sx/33 that! It might stop working. OK. At our school, we've got some NICE 386's. SVGA video cards w/2MB RAM, 16MB RAM each, and an interesting way to put a 3.5" drive in a 5" bay. Now, I really need a small IDE HDD or a 3.5" MFM HDD and controller for one... >< There are several projects going on to have Linux run on 286 and lowe ><machines, and, of course, lowering RAM consumption. There's an 8MB ><distribution that only requires 512K (I believe) RAM, if you give it enou ><swap space (in that case, it would be 3.5MB) > >Look up ELKS. That's one, but there are many others. You could recompile them to be optimized for a 386, though. ><>Windows 3.1 does run on it with the 1meg. ><It'll run, but in my experience, Windows 3.1 doesn't do to much with it. ><friends 286 (they were still using it last summer when they moved, but i ><was retrofit with MY 210MB HDD, and a SVGA monitor and graphics card) Yo ><can't extract files, run most software that was designed for Windows 3.1 > >Runs good and most software that will fit in 1meg runs ok. Swapping is >heavy though so a fast disk helps. Yeah, but how much Windows 3.1 software fits on a meg? I'd say at least 2. I ran Windows 3.1 from 1993 to 1997, and I'd have to say that most programs that I ran were fairly large, most in double-digit MB's. >3.0 is ok but it will not run some apps at all! Yeah, and Windows 3.1 won't run a lot of apps. It really all depends on the owner, what they want to do, how they want to do it, and what SW they already have. BTW, where can I get a lisence+docs, disks for Windows 2.x? I need one for the above computer... ><I'd go with 3.0, if I had a choice. If I was you, I would just upgrade t ><DOS 5.0 or so. It'll run loads of software, and is more consistent with > >I'm running 6.22 and LW had 5.x on his. I like DOS. It's a good OS. If it were kept more alive today... ><hardware that you have, minus the 386CPU. And, it's smaller, so you coul ><actually have more software on it. Come to think of it, I believe that ><Windows 3.1 is like 25MB, plus the DOS 5.0 that's required to run it, whi ><fits on 5 720K floppies, I believe. > >Huh? I had 6.22, win3.1, procomm+, and a few other things and had about >4.5mb free on a 20mb drive. DO5.0 would reduce it some but not alot, 3.3 >would be far smaller and still run w3.1. Really? 3.3? BTW, did you ever get that Linux box working? I just started w/Linux in Jan. and since then, I've installed, removed, reformated and ran 7 or so distributions. If you want, I can help, although I doubt my usefulnes past my own machines... If Linux/UNIX clones were really wnated, Minix is free for personal use... a older version, if it can be found, would probably work. Tim D. Hotze

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by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>I have a bunch of 80 MB mac hard drives. would an old PC SCSI card >run them? Depends. If it was designed for a Mac specifically, then it won't work. But 9/10 SCSI devices will work indescriminately on a Mac, PC, or Unix machine, provided that drivers exist, if required. >>HUH? Neither of these are an helped/hindered by the 386. SCSI is not >>needed to run 1.44/1.2 FDDs. You can put scsi in there even when it >was >>an plain xt. To run the bigger floppies you need a controller that >will, >>most XT controllers will not. JDR and JAMCO sell a board that will do >up >>to 2.88 drives in a XT slot. >Has anyone actually seen a 2.88 MB floppy drive? I have. Almost got one. They were $7 new, black, from IBM. Actually, I don't really like 2.88MB drives: The meida STILL costs about $3-$4 a disk, and when you can just get 2 or 3 $0.25 or LESS 1.44MB disks, and then use a program to cut files down, you end up with better prices. So, unless you had a specific use, or REALLY wanted to cut down on total disk #'s, I can't say that I want one, especially not now, when Castle Wood's (http://www.castlewoodsystems.com) coming out with a $199 ORB drive, that can outperform Jaz drives, and hold 100MB more for $30 a piece on 2.1GB media. THAT'S innovation: New technology, low price, and a cool name. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze

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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

> > ><up comes an Intel flashscreen >< Inboard 386 PC >< Vers 1.1 02/17/89 >< Intel Corporation > >Same beast I have in my Leading Edge XT. > ><recognize Very rudimentary Auto and Config usual but with inbrdpc.sys >< Of course I quickly pop it open No HD !!?? > >Don't lose those files! > ><Snooper tells me it has 2 ser ports and 2 paral. configured and bench-mar ><20mhz ( don't know how accurate Snoop's bench is but this sure beats an X > >It's warped. It's a 386/16 and that's all. How accurate are those diags anyway? Are they to be trusted? > >That's been going on for a while and there was a AT (286) version as well. > >< The possibilities are interesting. I'm wondering if I could beef up the ><Put in an Extended Graphics Adapter (not Array) and hook up my 3270 ><type IBM monitor (5272). There's an interesting section in Que's "Upgradi > >IF it's ISA-8 you likely can. > >< It would be neat if I could run Linux on it. >< Excuse my blathering but I'm like a kid with an amazing new toy. > Although this certainly is a cool toy (I'd love to have an XT I could do something wiht), you shouldn't be able to put Linux on it. For one thing, it seems to need drivers, and Linux doesn't have them. Also, the fact that it's an ISA card could reduce performance. Lastly, the thing may not run at full 32 bits,protected mode. > >Windows 3.1 does run on it with the 1meg. Yes, but no windows programs except the ones that came with it. > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

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VAXstation 3100 M30

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi, ---------- > From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > > Anyway, the result was I pulled my VT420 out of storage, hunted up a cable > for the terminal, and powered it on. It seems to be working just fine, and > much to my surprise and pleasure it has 16Mb of RAM. Of course it's only > running VMS 5.3 on a pair of RZ-23's, but hey it's faster, smaller and > quieter than my MV2! Now to get a better Hard Drive, and add a CD-ROM. & try NetBSD .... cheers, emanuel

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Nice Find

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

Today I picked up from the garbage a 9pin Epson and what I first thought was a big old IBM XT figuring I could always off it to someone after I checked out it's peripherals. When I got home I found it was a 5150. I noticed it had a paste-on sticker "Intel Inboard 386" Someone's attempt at humor I thought since the 5150 was the first IBM PC IIRC and likely had only 256k RAM. It had the DIN plugs for kb and cassette and two full-ht. IBM fdds; couldn't see a Hdd. The 5 expansion slots seemed full tho and I was getting more interested. I hooked up a monitor and kb and fired it up without opening it up first (I know-risky). Started up fine, flashing cursor checked the drives and up comes an Intel flashscreen Inboard 386 PC Vers 1.1 02/17/89 Intel Corporation conv. mem. init. 640 k ext mem. 256 k Initial Op. Speed Very Fast system BIOS 32-bit RAM EGA BIOS ROM iNBRDPC Dev. Driver installed I hit a key and up comes a C:\ prompt.! Nothing too interesting on the HD , usual WP5.1 and Lotus a few others i don't recognize Very rudimentary Auto and Config usual but with inbrdpc.sys Of course I quickly pop it open No HD !!?? It turns out it has a 20 Meg "Plus Development" Hard Card . The Intel card is a 16mhz and it has an empty socket for a 387 The small serial port card has f - 15 pin and 25 pin sockets. Small Herc. type card video and prtr.ports The floppy controller card has a f-35 pin ext. socket ? Snooper tells me it has 2 ser ports and 2 paral. configured and bench-marks 20mhz ( don't know how accurate Snoop's bench is but this sure beats an XT) I was blown away I didn't think an XT much less a PC could be upgraded without replacing the MB. And the Hard Card was gravy The possibilities are interesting. I'm wondering if I could beef up the RAM Put in an Extended Graphics Adapter (not Array) and hook up my 3270 type IBM monitor (5272). There's an interesting section in Que's "Upgrading and Repairing PCs" on the 3270PC BTW. I wonder also what the cassette and 35 pin I/Os offer in the way of interfacing According to Snooper there's 16 Irq's.and I could free up a exp. socket by pulling the hard card if I could put in a bigger HD. Would a SCSI card be an option so I could put in 1.2 and /or 1.44 fdds ? It would be neat if I could run Linux on it. Excuse my blathering but I'm like a kid with an amazing new toy. ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

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Nice Find

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

><up comes an Intel flashscreen >< Inboard 386 PC >< Vers 1.1 02/17/89 >< Intel Corporation > >Same beast I have in my Leading Edge XT. That would be cool to have. ><Snooper tells me it has 2 ser ports and 2 paral. configured and bench-mar ><20mhz ( don't know how accurate Snoop's bench is but this sure beats an X > >It's warped. It's a 386/16 and that's all. Yeah, but with extra RAM, etc. it could very well benchmark as a higher or lower MHz, even with today's Winbench's. ><without replacing the MB. And the Hard Card was gravy > >That's been going on for a while and there was a AT (286) version as well. > >< The possibilities are interesting. I'm wondering if I could beef up the ><Put in an Extended Graphics Adapter (not Array) and hook up my 3270 ><type IBM monitor (5272). There's an interesting section in Que's "Upgradi > >IF it's ISA-8 you likely can. > >< It would be neat if I could run Linux on it. >< Excuse my blathering but I'm like a kid with an amazing new toy. > >No way! All the ram you have is the 1meg on the inboard and I think it >used the 256k (maximum) on the mother as expanded mem. If yu can find the >memory card that piggy backs to it you can add either a meg or maybe two >to it. Nomantter what linux in less than 4meg would be poor and >completely unrunable in under 2mb. Linux won't run XF86 even in mono mode with less than 8MB RAM, which makes zero sense because any PC that shipped with 8MB RAM and a mono card was either: 1) Something like a NeXT machine 2) A graphics machine, but was DEFINATELY NOT A GENERAL-USE PC! There are several projects going on to have Linux run on 286 and lower machines, and, of course, lowering RAM consumption. There's an 8MB distribution that only requires 512K (I believe) RAM, if you give it enough swap space (in that case, it would be 3.5MB) >Windows 3.1 does run on it with the 1meg. It'll run, but in my experience, Windows 3.1 doesn't do to much with it. My friends 286 (they were still using it last summer when they moved, but it was retrofit with MY 210MB HDD, and a SVGA monitor and graphics card) You can't extract files, run most software that was designed for Windows 3.1. I'd go with 3.0, if I had a choice. If I was you, I would just upgrade to DOS 5.0 or so. It'll run loads of software, and is more consistent with the hardware that you have, minus the 386CPU. And, it's smaller, so you could actually have more software on it. Come to think of it, I believe that Windows 3.1 is like 25MB, plus the DOS 5.0 that's required to run it, which fits on 5 720K floppies, I believe. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze >Allison >

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Nice Find

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<up comes an Intel flashscreen < Inboard 386 PC < Vers 1.1 02/17/89 < Intel Corporation Same beast I have in my Leading Edge XT. <recognize Very rudimentary Auto and Config usual but with inbrdpc.sys < Of course I quickly pop it open No HD !!?? Don't lose those files! <Snooper tells me it has 2 ser ports and 2 paral. configured and bench-mar <20mhz ( don't know how accurate Snoop's bench is but this sure beats an X It's warped. It's a 386/16 and that's all. < I was blown away I didn't think an XT much less a PC could be upgraded <without replacing the MB. And the Hard Card was gravy That's been going on for a while and there was a AT (286) version as well. < The possibilities are interesting. I'm wondering if I could beef up the <Put in an Extended Graphics Adapter (not Array) and hook up my 3270 <type IBM monitor (5272). There's an interesting section in Que's "Upgradi IF it's ISA-8 you likely can. < It would be neat if I could run Linux on it. < Excuse my blathering but I'm like a kid with an amazing new toy. No way! All the ram you have is the 1meg on the inboard and I think it used the 256k (maximum) on the mother as expanded mem. If yu can find the memory card that piggy backs to it you can add either a meg or maybe two to it. Nomantter what linux in less than 4meg would be poor and completely unrunable in under 2mb. Windows 3.1 does run on it with the 1meg. Allison

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> Would a SCSI card be an option so I could put in 1.2 and/or 1.44 fdds HUH? Neither of these are an helped/hindered by the 386. SCSI is not needed to run 1.44/1.2 FDDs. You can put scsi in there even when it was an plain xt. To run the bigger floppies you need a controller that will, most XT controllers will not. JDR and JAMCO sell a board that will do up to 2.88 drives in a XT slot. FYI I've hacked the leading edge (xt) I have to include most of what you mention including a 20meg WD hardcard. It's MONO/herc, 20meg hardcard, 1.44 floppy, multi-IO (two serial, two LPT, game). Runs dos6.22 and I've had windows3.1 to prove it runs. Allison

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Nice Find

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Are you saying that a 486 is only faster than a 286 because of the <cache? No I'm saying without the cache is run as slow as a 286! The reson is it has to wait for ram data at the ram data rates. That's 70ns in my 486 and the faster 286s used 80ns ram so the end up running about the same speed. The cache is to allow near continious reading fo ram data even when the processor is not reading in in advance of need. By doing that and using fast page read mode data can be fed to the cpu to support the higher speed. <>Funny I have unix v7 running on a PDP11 with only 256kb of ram. it can <be done. <Isn't v7 the latest UNIX distribution? No. It's PDP-11 circa 1980ish. It was followed later by 2.9bsd and 2.11bsd. <I once had an old 386 with a 20MB MFM hard drive and 2MB RAM. Windows <ran OK, but Word 2.0 ran very poorly. Strange that I've never seen <3.0. Is it rare? Not so much rare as short lifetime between it'release and 3.1s release. <Actually, Windows 3.0 came with a copy of MS-DOS executive, the <precursor to the program manager, while 3.1 didn't. That's not Funny my copy of 3.0 has program manager. MSDOS executive is a different tool. It compete against Quarterdedk, and Norton commander. <have to disable it for Windows 95, which needs at least 7.0. I have <DOS 3.3, and it's a good DOS. If only it had MOVE...I can send anyone <who wants them some copies. I THINK I have four more boxes. Five are <already spoken for. I have 3.3, 5.0 and 6.22. Move from 5.0 runs under 3.3. Allison

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More cool stuff

by dastar＠wco.com

Well, today's hunting turned up some good stuff. A Tandy 100 with manual for $15. A compact Monolithic Systems rack-mount computer. It's multi-bus based with a Z-80 CPU. It came with complete manuals, an extender card, a dual 8" drive unit, and a couple 2716/2764 (or was that 2704/2716?) EPROM programmer cards. I also got the Teletype ASR-33 that was used with this system. It had a stand, a current loop to RS-232 converter, and the complete manual set (including service manuals). The complete setup for $45. I then happened upon an AIM 65 authentically mounted to a piece of plywood. This was an amazing find in that I got the original box with all the manuals and sales literature (with technical specs). This unit also came with the optional BASIC ROMs. The manuals included were: BASIC Language Reference Manual 8K BASIC Reference Card R6500 Hardware Manual R6500 Programming Manual R6500 Users Guide AUM-65 Summary Card Also in the box was a fold-out schematic for the AIM-65 and the warranty card. Much thanks to Frank McConnell & Company for not engaging me in a bidding war over this as we discovered it at the same time. I got this for $40. The same guy also had a very rare Morrow portable I'd been searching out for a long time. A local surplus shop has one but refuses to sell it to me because they claim all their original records were stored on it. No attempt at begging or coercion would get them to sell it to me, so it was nice to finally find one. Its a portable made by Morrow which runs CP/M. I think the model is a C3P. It has two 5.25" HH floppies and a funky-looking wide screen. The guy also threw in a complete run of BAMDUA (Bay Area Micro Decision User's Group) which was a newsletter for the Morrow Micro-Decision here in the Bay Area. Also a complete run of "Morrow Owner's Review", which was a Morrow magazine for users of the Micro-Decision. Oddly enough the magazine ceased publication as late as December 1987 (I would've thought it would have ceased well before that). I also got a photo-copied service manual for the Micro-Decision which is cool since I have a flaky MD-2 that needs attention. Plus a bunch of 5.25" disks, some books (Best of Micro Vol. II & III, Ciarca's Circuit Cellar Vol. III) and some Morrow and Kaypro marketing literature. This was another $39. I also got the Sept. 83 issue of Byte from which I culled these interesting tibits: The editorial on page 4 covered the issue of FAA regulations banning the use of portables on airline flights. I wonder when this ban was overturned? Its interesting in that it mirrors the same concern over cellular phones interfering with air-to-ground communications, all of which is a bunch of hooey. Page 12 had a letter from a reader concerned about the proliferation of mice as a pointing device. "I am sorry to see Apple, Visicorp, and possibly Microsoft jump onto the Xerox bandwagon and introduce a mouse into their new integrated computing software," he writes. "The mouse is an inherently bad pointing device for at least three reasons: it consumes one to two square feet of flat desk space; it requires users to move their hands one to two feet from the keyboard in order to point at a screen object; and, because the mouse is not in a fixed place relative to the keyboard, users must look away from their work to find the mouse whenever it is to be used." He then goes on to espouse the virtues of a trackball. Needless to say I'm sure this guy died off with CP/M :) In an article on portables, an inline quote says, "Any computer can be transportable if you have a big enough truck." Ladies & Gentlemen, finally a definition of "portable". Lastly, there's an article for an S-100 PC, of all things. IBM compatibility in an S-100 bus. The funny thing is the article promises "with its S100 bus expansion capability, your system will never be outdated." How ironic :) A couple other things I got included a Voice Processing module for the strange Convergent Technologies system I have ($1) and an 8080/8085 emulator (circa 1984) in a hard-shelled carrying case ($20). I managed to find room in the garage to store the new stuff, but I don't know how much longer I can hold out. You'd think a 3-car garage would hold more. I guess the pool table will have to go soon. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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ISA-PCI Conversion possible? (About MS's PC 98 Specs)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

OK.. I've been thinking about this for a while. ISA's going to die, at least according to MS's PC '98 specs. Knowing how most designers comply to MS's hardware design, it looks like ISA's future is dim. Now, on top of all the old ISA cards I've collected, I just got an AWE 64, and my scanner and PCMCIA cards are ISA-based. So, is it possible to make a device that will make an ISA card fit into a PCI socket? Is anyone making them? Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

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Good Finds

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

This week has been pretty good and I picked up over 40 items, what follows is just a short list of the items I think are worth mentioning. PC1512DD Amstrad system complete with monitor, kb, and manuals not tested yet; IBM PS/2 8580-121 tower not tested yet; digital PC278-A DecMate II with two system diskettes not tested yet; Compaq Portable II not tested yet; Apple Mono Monitor IIe Platinum new in box with all papers and cords; Prim LTS300 Terminal Server; The Designer Pencil cartridge; HP 9121 not test yet; Apple High resolution Mono works great; IBM terminal 8535150 I think is the number; AED Colorware 767 TT; digital monitor VR290-DA; PixelView II monitor by Mirror; Toshiba T1000XE with everything manual, extra new batteries, etc; Portac unit; Sharp CE-150 printer and cassette unit; Sharp CE-159 program module; Many other items that will go into the museum someday. Keep Computing !! John

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what do I do with a Multibus?

by rexstout＠uswest.net

Just picked up an interesting unit at a hamfest, there was a box with a large power supply, a long tube with BNC connectors at each end(some sort of attenuator I suppose), and a large jumble of cards inside a backplane. Well, when I just got home now I dug through it, and found a few interesting things inside. The first card is from Intel, with an 8086 CPU and some other stuff. Attached to the CPU board are two daughterboards, one with a connector and an 8272 chip, and another with an 8203 and a bunch of EPROMs, as well as a lithium battery. There are a 50pin and 26pin edge connector on the top of the CPU board. The second board is a Netronix "Multibus PC Network Adapter" card, with an F-type connector. I don't know much about this type of network system except I don't have anything to hook into it. Third card is another one from Intel, labeled "iSBC 576", with another 8086, two connectors on the top, and an SBC576 daughtercard. Fourth card is a PROSE 2000, with a 26-pin edge connector and another connector, and a bunch of EPROMs marked "Speech Plus (c)1983", and yet another 8086 chip. Looks like the company name is Speech Plus Inc. I guess this is a speech synth. The last two cards appear to be memory expansion, made by Memtech, and have a large (50 pin) connector on the top, and "ISBC254S" silkscreened into the board. So, does anyone know what to do with this thing? How do I set it up? What kind of OS does it run? I'm thinking it may have been a repeater controller(I did find this at a hamfest...), which would make sense, with the speech synth being the automatic ID'er. Where do I find info on all this multibus stuff? Thanks -------------------------------------------------------------- | http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html - Computers | | http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/ - Star Trek | | orham(a)qth.net list admin KD7BCY | --------------------------------------------------------------

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ISA-PCI Conversion possible? (About MS's PC 98 Specs)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-04-04 03:45:54 EST, you write: << OK.. I've been thinking about this for a while. ISA's going to die, at least according to MS's PC '98 specs. Knowing how most designers comply to MS's hardware design, it looks like ISA's future is dim. Now, on top of all the old ISA cards I've collected, I just got an AWE 64, and my scanner and PCMCIA cards are ISA-based. So, is it possible to make a device that will make an ISA card fit into a PCI socket? Is anyone making them? >> this question seems to be similar to another problem; people want to use isa cards in a mca machine, and it's just not possible. best just to keep a legacy machine around since it seems there will always be isa cards around. gee, gotta love that pc97 criteria. silent posting and no memory count? harrrrumph, really good for problem determination! 8-\ david

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PS/2 M30 available...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<People are moving to Texas and don't wanna have to haul it. <IBM PS/3 model 30, VGA monitor, a whole box of software, <printer of some sort. Any takers? <They want about $50, but will take any reasonable offer. They are kidding. It's an 8mhz 8086, ISA8 two floppies and it may have a color monitor of the older coarse dot pitch. Not worth 50$, 10 or 15 maybe. It would cost too much ship it or I'd be interested in it for the monitor. (I'd keep the box as it's small and a robust design turbo XT) Allison

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VAXstation 3100 M30

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

> Basically I've got a really stupid question, does the external SCSI bus > HAVE to be terminated? If so any idea's on how to go about doing that > without finding a DEC terminator? Yes, it needs termination, unless there's nothing connected *and the cable between the controller and the last socket* is extrememly short -- which it often isn't. This rule applies to SASI, SCSI (aka SCSI-1), SCSI-2, and SCSI-3. Otherwise, you'll get signal reflections, which, at best, will limit the speed the bus can run at. There should be a terminator at each end of the bus. There are two kinds of terminators: active and passive. In passive types, each signal has a 220 ohm resistor to +5V and a 330 ohm resistor to ground. They hold the voltage on an idle line at about 3 volts, and (assuming the power supply impedance is negligible) form an effective impedance of 132 ohms. The ideal impedance depends on the cable, but it's generally about 110 ohms. It's this terminating impedance that prevents reflections. Active terminators do the same job, but each signal line is connected via a 110 ohm resistor to a 2.85V supply. These are a somewhat better impedance match and often have a better high-speed response, so they're recommended for faster SCSI busses. Being exceedingly stingy, I built an active terminator using a pile of miniature resistors, a voltage regulator, a couple of capacitors, and a plug. Oh, and an LED for show. I don't believe any electronic device should be LED-less, and if it flashes, so much the better :-) I would recommend buying a terminator, though; building mine was quite fiddly and time-consuming. > I'd like to be able to run it without the terminater, since I don't have > one, but would like to know if it's possible before I go digging up the > rest of the stuff I need to see if it works. If your bus ends at a 68-pin socket (which is a DEC special, not part of the SCSI spec, unless it's Wide SCSI), it might be relatively hard to find a terminator plug. But most devices have provision for terminating resistors on the the device itself. All the RZ drives and CD ROM drives I've seen do. Usually these are in the form of three single-inline resistor packs, each with 8 pins, and containing six pairs of 220/330 ohm resistors. Toshiba CD-ROM drives use two 11-pin networks, though. They cost about 40 pence each from electronics suppliers in the UK; I expect they cost about the same in the States. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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PS/2 M30 available...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

People are moving to Texas and don't wanna have to haul it. IBM PS/3 model 30, VGA monitor, a whole box of software, printer of some sort. Any takers? They want about $50, but will take any reasonable offer. If it doesn't get sold, it gets dumpstered. (I have no room for it...) -------

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Epson HX-20

by TOwad＠aol.com

Hello, I bought an Epson HX-20 at a Hamfest a weekend or two ago. It's a very neat system. Somebody cut a piece of foam to fit in their suitcase, and then cut holes in it to fit the computer, modem, power supply, and cassettes. It looks like something you'd see on the old "Get Smart" TV show. :-) Unfortunately, it won't power on. The battery charges to 4.5v, but no farther. Is that what's needed? The printer will not turn on, either. I'm thinking its the battery, but want to get a second opinion before buying a new one. Anybody? Thanks, Tom P.S. Any offers? In addition to the above mentioned, I have a several of manuals, a bunch of printer ribbons and paper, and about 7 cassettes.

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Old Data

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

This struck a chord with me... >protection of data/software contained on the machine or disks. If you buy a >camcorder at a consignment or pawn shop and the last owners left a tape of >their after-hours playtime in the camcorder, is it my responsibility to erase, >safeguard or return it? I think not. I feel the same should apply to personal ABSOLUTELY it is your responsibility. We lost the first 3 months tape of our son's birth, homecoming and grandparents meeting, due to the theft of a camcorder with the tape still inside. The camcorder was stored at work, in a locked and alarmed office. It still got stolen. Probably it ended up in a pawn shop somewhere. I didn't care about the recorder, but the tape was priceless. You just never know about data, and in the above situation I think it is your primary responsibility to make SURE you don't have something you shouldn't. We were heartbroken at our data loss. Just because it's in a pawn shop, or consignment, or in the dumpster - doesn't invalidate copyright, or give you a right to do what you will with it. If you found a personal videotape or data and make no effort to determine if it is important to the original owner, then I think you are abrogating your responsibilities as a good citizen. Cheers A

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MacCharlie info

by pb14＠leicester.ac.uk

Last year I acquired a 1985 Dayna MacCharlie w/o docs or software. The MacCharlie is a DOS box that hooks up to a compact Mac and aside from that I know virtually nothing about it. Can anyone advise on:- Locating software/docs ? Which Mac models does it work with (128, 512, Plus?) ? Anything? Phil ************************************************************** Phil Beesley -- Computer Officer -- Distributed Systems Suppport University of Leicester Tel (0)116 252-2231 E-Mail pb14(a)le.ac.uk

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TI Silent 700

by PB14＠leicester.ac.uk

Somebody asked about pinouts for the 700 series. I have the manual for the International Model 745 sitting on my desk (I have the actual machine at home) so if anyone has any specific questions I'll try to help. Phil ************************************************************** Phil Beesley -- Computer Officer -- Distributed Systems Suppport University of Leicester Tel (0)116 252-2231 E-Mail pb14(a)le.ac.uk

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big $$$ PAID for 8" floppy

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc, prb(a)students.cs.mu.oz.au (P. Bocchi) wrote: >I work for a company who needs to extract information from several >8 inch floppy disks and put the info onto 3.5 inch disks. >If anyone is able to do this, or is able to point me in the right >direction there could be some good financial rewards. >thanks.

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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

><< This struck a chord with me... > > >protection of data/software contained on the machine or disks. If you buy a > >camcorder at a consignment or pawn shop and the last owners left a tape of > >their after-hours playtime in the camcorder, is it my responsibility to > erase, > >safeguard or return it? I think not. I feel the same should apply to > personal OK, my father's car was stolen once, and when we got it back, we found a tape in it (apparently of a counseling session) that wasn't there before. Is it our responsibility to erase it? > > >i'd be willing to argue this somewhat. as an example, my brother gave me a >complete ps2 model 30 that was literally being thrown in the trash. the >company he worked for was upgrading their computers. when i finally got a hold >of it, i looked at all the data on the machine. i found some personal data >from someone who evidently used it such as resume, job history, etc in >addition to work specific to that company. there was also a few other programs >on it, such as xtree, wp51, lotus and procomm. as i deleted the data files >keeping the applications, i felt no responsibility to the previous user. it >may not be politically correct, but i will save any applications i find on the >computers i pick up. I save my programs too, at least to check what they are. Once I've checked, I generally wish never to see the program again (weird games that have no way to quit them, strange finance programs, etc.) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-04-04 06:46:33 EST, you write: << This struck a chord with me... >protection of data/software contained on the machine or disks. If you buy a >camcorder at a consignment or pawn shop and the last owners left a tape of >their after-hours playtime in the camcorder, is it my responsibility to erase, >safeguard or return it? I think not. I feel the same should apply to personal ABSOLUTELY it is your responsibility. >> i'd be willing to argue this somewhat. as an example, my brother gave me a complete ps2 model 30 that was literally being thrown in the trash. the company he worked for was upgrading their computers. when i finally got a hold of it, i looked at all the data on the machine. i found some personal data >from someone who evidently used it such as resume, job history, etc in addition to work specific to that company. there was also a few other programs on it, such as xtree, wp51, lotus and procomm. as i deleted the data files keeping the applications, i felt no responsibility to the previous user. it may not be politically correct, but i will save any applications i find on the computers i pick up. david

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ISA-PCI Conversion possible? (About MS's PC 98 Specs)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>I definitely won't say it's impossible -- at my age I've given up >making judgements like that on technical matters. I will say that >it's a non-trivial problem and likely to produce underwhelming >performance compared to native PCI boards. My own preference is Yeah, but very few PCI boards are actually running at the full PCI specs. I've even seen some PCI versions of ISA boards that work at exactly the same speed as their ISA counterpart. >to keep at least one machine (like I would ever cut it down to >that!) to which the old equipment is native and network it to the >newer equipment as I acquire it. Then again, I don't pay a lot of >attention to MS's hardware specs, since the only times I run their >software is to play games or to figure out how to get something >running in DOSEMU or WABI under Linux -- most of my emulators of Well, as unimportant as they may seem to you, their hardware specs will influence your x86 Linux machines, unless a vendor's smart enough to make ISA/PCI/AGP boards. >old 8-bit equipment (Tandy, Apple, Atari, etc.) work just fine >that way, and I really _don't need_ the bells and whistles in the >latest Microsoft Office(tm) suite except when an employer insists >upon it at work, and eight times out of ten I manage to get >around it there as well. You're right, but still, like I said, you may be ISA-less. It's time that we killed the bus, I agree, but allowing a smooth migration would help alot. For instance, my AWE 64's been on my machine for under a week. Now, if I were to get an all-PCI system, I'd loose my *new* soundcard. ISA's outdated, my SB isn't. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze

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Old Data

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 07:48 PM 4/2/98 -0600, you wrote: >* I'll return or destroy any personal data I find on a machine I acquire. change to: ...acquire, keeping it in the strictest confidence should I find it necessary to view it. or something like that. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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by sethm＠loomcom.com

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Video capture

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

Anyone have an excess video capture card that they might want to sell or trade for? It doesn't matter if it's VLB, IS or MCA but I would like it to be a color capture, preferably in real time (so I could capture frames). It should also be as complete as possible (manuals, software, etc). I can get a "Snappy" pretty cheap but figured I'd find a good capture card if possible before I thought about going into all of this forst. It's a whim thing, not a definite need. I just figured it's time to expand the I/O that the machine is capable of, and maybe start capturing video clips to use in training videos/software. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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To restore or not to restore...

by scott＠isd.canberra.edu.au

I collect home micros, and I recently acquired a Mac 128K. However, it's been quite heavily modified with contemporary third-party add-ons. It's been taken up to 1M RAM and it's had a SCSI interface installed. The memory has been taken up to 512K by removing the 64K x 1 bit RAM chips and replacing them with 256K x 1 bit chips, plus adding a few discrete components (not hard, considering the 128K and 512K Macs shared the same PC board). It has then been taken up to 1M by adding a third-party 512K RAM expansion board, which plugs into one of the RAM sockets (the chip it displaces being installed onto the expansion board), and is connected to the address decoding by several flying leads. The SCSI interface has been installed by removing the ROM chips, plugging a daughterboard into the empty ROM sockets, and plugging the ROM chips into the daughterboard. The SCSI socket replaces the cover over the battery in the back of the Mac. So, my question is, should I: 1) Leave it as it is; 2) Remove the SCSI interface (easy, just remove the daughter board, take the ROM chips out of it and put them back into the motherboard's ROM sockets); 3) Remove the SCSI interface *and* the 512K RAM daughter board (not *too* hard, desolder the flying leads (taking note of where they go to, just in case I want to reinstall the board), remove the board from the RAM chip's socket, remove the RAM chip from the daughterboard and put it back in the motherboard's now-empty RAM socket); 4) Take it back to original condition (quite difficult, as well as steps 1)and 2) it involves desoldering 16 256K x 1 bit RAM chips, (plus a few discrete components) and soldering in 16 64K x 1 bit RAM chips). What are people's opinions on this? Regards, | Scott McLauchlan |E-Mail: scott(a)cts.canberra.edu.au| |Administration IT User Support Team|Phone: +61 2 6201 5544 (Ext.5544)| | Client Services Division |Post: University of Canberra, | | University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA | ACT, 2601, AUSTRALIA. |

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Another RL02 question...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 3, 15:36, Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote: > > > <heads to guarantee the #0 and #1 head were on cyl when reading/writing.

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Another RL02 question...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Do I have to program a seek to switch heads? I notice there's a head bit that can be set during the SEEK command... Can I just specify the head during a WRITE command, or do I have to seek to switch the head? -------

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Zendex

by dastar＠wco.com

Well, I called over to Zendex today to inquire about the system I found and talked to a sales engineer. He's going to try to dig up some sales brochures and stuff for me. On an interesting note, he began drilling me on my knowledge of Multi-bus (of which I have none) and then explained to me that they still have a market for the old systems and boards and they are in need of someone technically competent with Multi-bus to hire on a consulting basis. What they need is someone who knows Multi-bus, CIM-bus and ISBX modules for testing and assembly. They need someone who knows enough to assemble the boards from schematics they still have lying around and to test the boards' functionality. They currently don't have anyone on staff who has expertise in this older technology, so they would like to find someone young, old or in between to hire on as a consultant to do this work (he recalled a radio program on NPR that we both heard recently about older technology workers having difficulty finding work as they are being superceded by younger, more "energetic" workers who work for less pay). I told him I'd put the word out for him as a favor (and also so that he'll feel obligated to give me stuff). The Company is Zendex Corporation in Dublin, California. Their phone number is (925) 828-3000 and you want to ask for Howard Czapla. I'd appreciate if you could also pass along to me the name of any prospects you refer. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

28 years, 2 months

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Network cards

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I recently found a PS/2 MOdel 70. Does anyone have an Ethernet card for it, that has a coaxial cable connector and that could be sold to me for not-too-much? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

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Neural Networks

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I am talking about either. In truth, I am interested in AI, whose goal is to approach the functionings of the brain. So, whatever features each shares, or differes in is fine. But I suppose that "idealized" networks are what I mean, that is ones in a purely mathematical space. For one thing, how are the connections made if not randomly? I thought it was essentially based on the closest free neuron. What kind of summation is it if not linear? Do you mean that if the threshold is 5, 4 is more than to times closer than 2? What does that mean, if anything? >> a certain predetermined level, the neuron sends a pulse on the output, >> to trigger other neurons. >> Could someone please complicate the picture for me? > >Are you asking about wet and squishy neural nets or artificial neural >nets? There's nothing random about the connections of either in a >*functioning* net, but a learning net can have somewhat random >connections. The "summation" isn't linear in either type of net, and the >trigger can be a frequency threshold as well as an amplitude threshold. > >Of course, real neural nets are *much* more complicated and are affected >by food, sleep, and neuro-transmitter analogues like LSD. > >-- Doug > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

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Another RL02 question...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I may be wrong, but I thought the RL01/RL02 needed a seek to even switch <heads to guarantee the #0 and #1 head were on cyl when reading/writing. Head 0/1 are on opposite sides of the platter so they will always be on the same cylinder. So there are 512 cylinders of two heads, 40 sectors of 256 bytes per track (one head/side of a cylinder). There are a lot of ways to organize that physical layout. Allison

28 years, 2 months

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Wanted: Apple ][ Card Info

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-03-20 23:14:29 EST, you write: << The list is, more or less, on topic, and I've taken this oppertuinity to ask a question: My Apple ][ has a Language card called a "Pocket Rocket". Now, what does this do? Does it let me write in such languages as Pascal, C, or, on my ][+, Integer BASIC? Also, is RAM expansion avaible to increase RAM to 128K (As I've heard that it could go to...) Thanks, >> pocket rocket is applied engineering's equivalent to apple's language card. it's very small, and doesnt require a cable to the motherboard like earlier models did. david

28 years, 2 months

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To restore or not to restore...

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 06:25 PM 4/2/98 +1000, you wrote: >I collect home micros, and I recently acquired a Mac 128K. However, it's >been quite heavily modified with contemporary third-party add-ons. It's [...] >1) Leave it as it is; I'll vote for this. My logic is: a) it's an interesting specimen as is, displaying the ingenuity and constant striving for performance that the computer industry has had since day 1. b) you can always remove the extras later. a) has it's merits, but wouldn't be my main motivation. b) on the other hand, would be reason enough. If nothing is being harmed, don't do anything now that you could do later. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years, 2 months

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Zendex Computer

by dastar＠wco.com

I found a really neat computer the other day. Its made by a company called Zendex circa 1980. It's an 8085 multi-bus machine. Inside it has the processor board, a disk controller, an I/O board, and a parallel interface daughter-board bolted to the back, but which is connected to the system bus by way of a ribbon cable. The front panel consists of 8 interrupt and one reset switch. A very unique system, in that I've never seen one or even heard of the company before, but nothing special. However, the neat thing about this computer is that the company that makes it is still around and in fact is right around the corner from where I work! When I first examined the computer, it had a label with the company's address: 6680 Sierra Ct in Dublin, California. I went there a couple days ago and they are in almost the exact same spot (one address over now). The slogan embossed on their front window reads "International Manufacturer of Microcomputers Since 1979". I went inside, explained who I was and why I was there, and asked if there was anyone I could speak to about the system to get information (and hopefully documentation) on it. I was told to call back as everyone was in a meeting so I'll be bringing the system by today to bug them. I finally had a chance to open it up last night. One of the neater things is that the front panel circuit board has imprinted on it "Made in Dublin". Now, the reason this is quaint is because, although Dublin is part of the "Bay Area", its not by any means considered a part of the "Silicon Valley". So "Made in Dublin" I think is a cute little acknowledgement of the fact that the company was removed from the main hi-tech bustle of that era. This particular area where I'm at is not foreign to significant computer companies as Processor Technology (makers of the Sol-20) made their headquarters just a mile away in Pleasanton, California. It's nice discovering that makers of classic computers used to be right in your backyard. It's even nicer when they're still around so you can go bug them for information. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

28 years, 2 months

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Neural Networks

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

Oops! Apologies to those who weren't interested. Although neural nets go back a long way, they're not classic computers, and I thought this was being sent to Max, not the list. On Apr 3, 2:25, Pete Turnbull wrote: > Subject: Re: Neural Networks > On Apr 2, 17:33, Max Eskin wrote: > > Subject: Neural Networks -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

28 years, 2 months

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serial port buffers

by rexstout＠uswest.net

I guess this is a little off-topic, but I'm not exactly sure where to ask about this... Anyone know anything about the Intellicom Mega-Link four port buffer? Four buttons and six LED's on the front, a row of eight 256k RAM chips and three rows of sockets for more RAM, and the three DB-25 and a 36-pin centronics connector on the back. Any ideas on how to hook it up? I'm gessing there was either a special cable for it(centronics to serial port) or maybe it was designed to attach to a serial port card or something... -------------------------------------------------------------- | http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html - Computers | | http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/ - Star Trek | | orham(a)qth.net list admin KD7BCY | --------------------------------------------------------------

28 years, 2 months

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To restore or not to restore... (fwd)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-04-02 13:28:02 EST, you write: << > I collect home micros, and I recently acquired a Mac 128K. However, it's > been quite heavily modified with contemporary third-party add-ons. It's > been taken up to 1M RAM and it's had a SCSI interface installed. >> whenever i find a computer that's been modified, i leave it as is. for example, i have a mac512 with a internal hard disk called a hyperdrive. quite a clever setup and i also have an apple ][+ with an aftermarket encoder board which gave autorepeat, macros, type ahead, and all the characters that the //e could do. i also have a mac IIcx with a 68040 processor board. i keep all modifications as they themselves are worth as much as the computer itself and provide personality to the machine. david

28 years, 2 months

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Neural Networks

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 2, 17:33, Max Eskin wrote: > Subject: Neural Networks > I know we discussed this earlier, so the replies can be private, if > you wish, but it seems that some people here are familiar with the > field. > > My question is this. My understanding of neural networks is a bunch > of neurons, all more or less randomly connected, with one output > and an arbitrary number of inputs; if the sum of the inputs equals > a certain predetermined level, the neuron sends a pulse on the output, > to trigger other neurons. > Could someone please complicate the picture for me? Sure :-) What you describe is not quite right; they're not usually totally randomly interconnected. If there are lots of neurons, they're usually in three layers. At least, for a "conventional" multilayer network, they are. There are various methods for adjusting the weights on the perceptron inputs, and propagating changes backwards through the network, in order to "teach" it. It's a slow process, involving a lot of repetition, large amounts of test data, and various formulae to do the back-propagation and also to determine when you've done enough teaching (which basically means deciding when you've minimised the errors). If you overteach such networks, the performance can actually decline. You can also build a single-layer network with just one neuron (they're usually called perceptrons, BTW). However, single-layer networks are restricted to distinguishing linearly-separable entities. In other words, if you plotted a scatter chart with all the possible inputs represented as dots, you could separate them into two types just by drawing a straight line through the chart. If you have more than two types, then more lines. More than two input criteria, more dimensions (and use planes etc instead of lines). The problem is, not all of the world is like that. A single layer network can't separate types if they aren't arranged in an appropriate way -- the simplest non-linearly-solvable example is the XOR problem: two types, but arranged like the pattern of 1s and 0s in an XOR truth table: 1 0 0 1 You can't draw a single line that separates the 0s from the 1s; so by definition they're not linearly seperable. You can easily do this with a multilayer network, of course. Then there are Hopfield networks. All the neurons are connected to all the others in a Hopfield network. The feedback equations get quite interesting. And Kohonen networks. You don't teach them; they learn. *What* they learn may take some figuring out... And binary networks like the one I was working with recently. You should be able to find some information about that on our Department's web server (and several other places too). http://www.cs.york.ac.uk/arch/neural/ Have I confused you yet? :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

28 years, 2 months

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Neural Networks

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I know we discussed this earlier, so the replies can be private, if you wish, but it seems that some people here are familiar with the field. My question is this. My understanding of neural networks is a bunch of neurons, all more or less randomly connected, with one output and an arbitrary number of inputs; if the sum of the inputs equals a certain predetermined level, the neuron sends a pulse on the output, to trigger other neurons. Could someone please complicate the picture for me? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

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RS 102

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

David wrote: > In a message dated 4/1/98 9:57:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, > rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: > > < computers. None have been tested and there are no power supplies with them. > Does anyone know what voltage and polarity the external power connector > uses? And if there is any kind of self-test built-in? Can anyone give me an > idea of what these are worth? >> > > shoot, i'd love to have another tandy 102! my ac adaptor for my 102 says 6v dc > at 400 ma I'd love to have one at all! Seriously, Joe, if you get a box full, will you be putting some up for sale? > according to the little drawing on the adaptor, the inner part of the plug is > negative. outer part is positive. not sure what they're worth, but i bought That's all I'd need to know. I am quite used to building PSUs on such a spec. Or less. (Actually I'd look inside to see whether it needs to be regulated, but 6V seldom does). > mine with the accompanying battery operated cassette recorder and owner's > manual for $25. would love to find the external floppy for it. The model 100 I've seen for 100 or more UK pounds over here. I don't know what additional features were in the 102; I also don't think I could afford L100. But I'd probably pay $50 US including shipping for a model 102 without power supply. Philip. PS I'm back from Taiwan at last. Taiwan really is the most unhackish place I've been on my travels... But more to the point, I've missed most of the last 3 weeks on Classiccmp, so I may be ignorant of the context on some longer-running threads. Please forgive any silly questions that may arise...

28 years, 2 months

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Old Data

by pjoules＠enterprise.net

>As one facet of this, we might consider what people would do with >their old systems, if they even got the *impression* that their >private information might be read by a new owner. They might >prefer to totally destroy the machine than to take a risk like >that. > I have had an instance of this recently. At work a tape drive attached to a PC and which takes the same size casettes as my Sun386i is about to become redundant. The an accounts clerk in the department concerned has said that I will not be able to have the _drive_ because it has been used for confidential data. The fact that the data is on the _tapes_ seems to reflect on the availability of the drive! Regards Pete

28 years, 2 months

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Archiving docs

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

I would like hear from anyone that has done any archiving of their classic computer documents and manuals. I'm currently using a UMAX 300P that claims a maximum 24 bit color resolution of 300x600 dpi. I'm scanning into Photoshop4 and saving in JPEG format. I'm trying to save as much information as I can, so pages that have any color besides black and white, I'm scanning at 299 (that's the max for color) dpi in RGB and and everything else in 299 dpi grayscale. I'm averaging, for 8.5 x 11 pages, about 5.3 Mb for color and 2.1 Mb for grayscale. Just last weekend I burned my first CD of docs consisting of 26 color pages and 170 B/W pages for a total of 454 Mb.( I didn't fill the CD bcause I was anxious to try printing the files at work.) I printed two of the highest detailed B/W pages (schematics) today at 400 dpi. The results were disappointing. All of the fine details were lost. I assume I need to use a higher resolution for printing. I also have quite a bit of background clutter on the printed page. I'm having no problems seeing the smallest details when I magnify the pages in Photoshop. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum =========================================

28 years, 2 months

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Serial Mouse Drivers?

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hello. I know that this is semi-off-topic, but does anyone have MS-DOS mouse drivers for a Serial MS 2.0 mouse? I was trying to run some classic DOS based software, which requires a mouse, which was not included because of Windows 95... I tried running it in Windows, I get an error... Ciao, Tim D. Hotze PS-If you could just e-mail them as an attached file to photze(a)batelco.com.bh ... that would be great.

28 years, 2 months

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Archiving docs

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 11:03 PM 3/30/98 -0800, you wrote: >I'm currently using a UMAX 300P that claims a maximum 24 bit color >resolution of 300x600 dpi. I'm scanning into Photoshop4 and saving I have the same scanner. >in JPEG format. I'm trying to save as much information as I can, so >pages that have any color besides black and white, I'm scanning >at 299 (that's the max for color) dpi in RGB and and everything else in >299 dpi grayscale. I'm averaging, for 8.5 x 11 pages, about 5.3 Mb Actually, 300 is the max without interpolation. Stuff that's truly B&W should be scanned in B&W mode. The problem is that grayscale picks up variations in print strength, smudges, etc. B&W says "This dot is more than x dark, it's black. This dot is less than x dark, it's white." >for color and 2.1 Mb for grayscale. Just last weekend I burned B&W will also save disk space. > I printed two of the highest detailed B/W pages (schematics) today >at 400 dpi. The results were disappointing. All of the fine details were The details will get smudged if you scan in grayscale. Also, print at the same dpi as you scanned; printing at a higher dpi won't do you any good, and your document will print 1/3 smaller. >lost. I assume I need to use a higher resolution for printing. I also have same as scanned. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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To restore or not to restore... (fwd)

by dastar＠wco.com

On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Scott McLauchlan wrote: > I collect home micros, and I recently acquired a Mac 128K. However, it's > been quite heavily modified with contemporary third-party add-ons. It's > been taken up to 1M RAM and it's had a SCSI interface installed. > > The memory has been taken up to 512K by removing the 64K x 1 bit RAM chips > and replacing them with 256K x 1 bit chips, plus adding a few discrete > components (not hard, considering the 128K and 512K Macs shared the same PC > board). It has then been taken up to 1M by adding a third-party 512K RAM > expansion board, which plugs into one of the RAM sockets (the chip it > displaces being installed onto the expansion board), and is connected to > the address decoding by several flying leads. > > The SCSI interface has been installed by removing the ROM chips, plugging a > daughterboard into the empty ROM sockets, and plugging the ROM chips into > the daughterboard. The SCSI socket replaces the cover over the battery in > the back of the Mac. It sounds like you have a pretty amazing Mac 128K! Why the hell would you want to tear it back down to its puny original configuration? This Mac is a testament to the expandability of a machine that no one thought expandable. LEAVE IT BE! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

28 years, 2 months

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To restore or not to restore...

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

Hmm, >> I collect home micros, and I recently acquired a Mac 128K. However, it's >> been quite heavily modified with contemporary third-party add-ons. It's >> been taken up to 1M RAM and it's had a SCSI interface installed. > Well from a preservation point of view, this makes a very interesting machine as it stands - probably fairly unique. Maybe the thing to do would be to collect together a bunch of 64Kx1 chips and keep them safe somewhere so that the machine could easily be restored to original condition (or as close as possible) at some point in the future, if that were necessary. Surely there's still quite a few Mac 128K's around, so they're not an endangered species yet... Just my 2p's worth (or $0.02, depending on which you prefer...) cheers Jules >

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No subject

by daniel＠bony.umtec.com

NetBSD/vax (makoto.umtec.com) (console) login: root Password: Last login: Wed Jan 7 17:31:15 on console Jan 8 14:10:57 makoto login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON console Jan 8 14:10:57 makoto login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON console Copyright (c) 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. NetBSD 1.3_ALPHA (GENERIC) #3: Sun Nov 9 18:38:01 PST 1997 Welcome to NetBSD! Terminal type? [unknown] vt100 Don't login as root, use the su command. makoto# telnet minako.umtec.com Trying 198.199.189.71... Connected to minako.umtec.com. Escape character is '^]'. VAX/VMS 5.5 on node MINAKO DEC MicroVAX 3100 - KA41-D CPU, 36Meg RAM, 760Meg Online Storage This is a private system. Unauthorized use is discouraged. With a blunt object. Username: SYSTEM Password: Welcome to VAX/VMS V5.5 Last interactive login on Saturday, 28-FEB-1998 19:41 Last non-interactive login on Friday, 11-FEB-1994 17:05 $ type SYS$UPDATE:STABACKIT.COM $ ! IDENT X-94 'f$verif y(0) $ ! $ ! $!*************************************************************************** $!* * $!* COPYRIGHT (c) 1987, 1990, 1991 BY * $!* DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION, MAYNARD, MASSACHUSETTS. * $!* ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. * $!* * $!* THIS SOFTWARE IS FURNISHED UNDER A LICENSE AND MAY BE USED AND COPIED * $!* ONLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TERMS OF SUCH LICENSE AND WITH THE * $!* INCLUSION OF THE ABOVE COPYRIGHT NOTICE. THIS SOFTWARE OR ANY OTHER * $!* COPIES THEREOF MAY NOT BE PROVIDED OR OTHERWISE MADE AVAILABLE TO ANY * $!* OTHER PERSON. NO TITLE TO AND OWNERSHIP OF THE SOFTWARE IS HEREBY * $!* TRANSFERRED. * $!* * $!* THE INFORMATION IN THIS SOFTWARE IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE * $!* AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED AS A COMMITMENT BY DIGITAL EQUIPMENT * $!* CORPORATION. * $!* * $!* DIGITAL ASSUMES NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE USE OR RELIABILITY OF ITS * $!* SOFTWARE ON EQUIPMENT WHICH IS NOT SUPPLIED BY DIGITAL. * $!* * $!* * $!*************************************************************************** $ ! $ !++ $ ! Facility: System management <SYSUPD> -- Build a standalone kit $ ! $ ! Module: STABACKIT $ ! $ ! Abstract: This command procedure builds the standalone VMS system kit $ ! for BACKUP and BAD. (S/A BAD not supported for V5.0) !*bad* $ ! $ ! Inputs: P1 - Target device $ ! P2 - Target directory, defaults to <SYS0.SYSEXE>. If target $ ! device is SYS$SYSDEVICE:, the directory is forced to $ ! <SYSE.SYSEXE> and the <SYSE> directory will be given $ ! a SYSCOMMON root which points to common system files $ ! (i.e. points to SYS$TOPSYS for normal systems and to $ ! existing SYSCOMMON for shared system disks). Forced to $ ! <SYS0.SYSEXE> for small media. $ ! P3 - Source device and directory, defaults to SYS$SYSROOT:<SYSEX E> $ ! P4 - Application kit type, one of [BACKUP, BAD] (Forced to $ ! BACKUP for V5.0) !*bad* $ ! P5 - If run from VMSKITBLD, do not INITIALIZE tape or large disk . $ ! This parameter is unsupported, for internal use only. $ ! $ ! Privileges required: SETPRV $ ! Write access to SYS$UPDATE is also required. $ ! $ ! Author: CW Hobbs (complete rewrite of V3 version) $ ! $ ! Created: 28-Oct-1983 $ ! $ ! Modified by: $ ! $ ! X-94 CTK004 Carl Kunkel 01-Oct-1991 $ ! Raise LOCKIDTBL to 127 reflecting the new SYSGEN minimum value. $ ! $ ! X-93 CTK003 Carl Kunkel 23-Sep-1991 $ ! Raise NPAGEVIR for Magetape Boot only. New configurations $ ! potentially can eat significantly into pool. $ ! Keep NPAGEDYN small so small configurations do not break. $ ! $ ! X-92 DDG066 Dean D. GAgne 05-Apr-1991 $ ! The ISL files require a file in the MFD and there is no $ ! mechanism to copy a file to the MFD so this has to be done as a $ ! separate file. The ISL files also have to have a unique name $ ! for each Version of VMS so the Version of VMS will be appended $ ! to the end of the current ISL filenames. $ ! $ ! Also added TZK11 tape support. $ ! $ ! X-91 JSSTU0019 John S. Simakauskas 5-Apr-1991 $ ! Modify mount command for TF85 to use cacheing. $ ! MOUNT /CACHE=TAPE_DATA $ ! $ ! X-90 CTK002 Carl Kunkel 04-Apr-1991 $ ! The RA60 user disk kit would not boot after the TF85 device spec ific support was added. $ ! The RA60 kit failed because the RA60 and TF85 share the same dev ice type code, # 22. $ ! The problem resolution requires: $ ! 1) TF85 code to check both the device type and device class code s. $ ! $ ! X-89 CTK001 Carl Kunkel 25-Feb-1991 $ ! The VAX 11/780 RX0X kit will not build or boot. $ ! The problem resolution requires: $ ! 1) Setting the disk overhead slop value for the RX0X case to the correct size, which is zero. $ ! 2) Clearing the file count size and total size fields in the vol ume switch code. $ ! 3) In the RX01 case force a volume switch before the CPULOA/SYSI NIT/STANDCONF files. $ ! $ ! X-76 MCY005 Mary Yuryan 18-Feb-1991 $ ! Fix Device Symbol table lengths. The "and/or" limit $ ! of 10 was exceeded. $ ! $ ! X-75 MCY004 Mary Yuryan 14-Feb-1991 $ ! Add TZ85, TZ86, TZ87 SCSI tape support. $ ! $ ! X-74 MCY003 Mary Yuryan 5-Feb-1991 $ ! Add TSZ07 & TLZ06 support. $ ! $ ! X-73U12 JSSTU0004 John S. Simakauskas 19-Dec-1990 $ ! Mickey Lane 6-Aug-1990 $ ! Added TF85 support $ ! $ ! X-73U11 KDS Ken Stumpf 5-Jul-1990 $ ! Change text to state 6 floppies are required, not 5. $ ! $ ! X-73U10 EAD0001 Elliott A. Drayton 28-Jun-1990 $ ! Change invalid expression .NEQ. to .NE. near label $ ! STA1$GET_ANOTHER_FILE. $ ! $ ! X-73U9 KAB0041 Karen Barth 27-Jun-1990 $ ! Add the capability to parse a file with a .SYS $ ! extension. $ ! $ ! X-73U8 KGW0207 Keith Walls 18-Jun-1990 16:50 $ ! Raise NPAGEDYN for tape boot (again). $ ! $ ! X-73U7 KAB0040 Karen Barth 6-Jun-1990 $ ! Change device code for TF70 from 18 to 23. Raise $ ! GBLSECTIONS to the new minimum value of 60, to get $ ! rid of informational message. $ ! $ ! X-73U6 JAY0005 John A. Ywoskus 23-Apr-1990 $ ! Print out "it may take as long as 15 minutes to copy $ ! the standalone BACKUP image to the console disk" for $ ! the VAX 9000. $ ! $ ! X-73U5 KAB0039 Karen Barth 19-Apr-1990 $ ! Fix undefined symbol. $ ! $ ! X-73U4 CDO0001 Chuck O'Toole 02-Apr-1990 $ ! Add TF70 tape support. $ ! $ ! X-73U3 JAY0004 John A. Ywoskus 01-Apr-1990 $ ! Raise NPAGEDYN and NPAGEVIR for Aquarius only, as $ ! the potentially large I/O configurations can eat $ ! significantly into pool. $ ! $ ! X-73U2 MCY002 Mary Yuryan 29-Mar-1990 $ ! Add TZK10 (QIC) tape support. $ ! $ ! X-73U1 KAB0038 Karen Barth 21-Feb-1990 $ ! Fix undefined symbol. $ ! $ ! X-73 JAY0003 John A. Ywoskus 13-Jan-1990 $ ! Look for PSEUDOLOA.EXE in SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES for $ ! the DISK_IMAGE kit, not SYS$SYSTEM. $ ! $ ! X-72 MCY001 Mary Yuryan 22-Dec-1989 $ ! Add TLZ04 (RDAT) tape support. $ ! $ ! X-71 JAY0001 John A. Ywoskus 28-Nov-1989 $ ! Minor bugfixes to Aquarius support. $ ! $ ! X-70 KAB0037 Karen Barth 8-Nov-1989 $ ! Merge TU58 fix from V5.3-1. $ ! $ ! X-69 KAB0036 Karen Barth 13-Oct-1989 $ ! Add/merge Aquarius support. $ ! Set PAGFILCNT to new minimum of 4. $ ! $ ! X-68 HH0380 Hai Huang 23-Aug-1989 $ ! Set VECTOR_PROCessing SYSGEN parameter to 0 to disable $ ! vector processing, so the VECTOR_PROCESSING.EXE image $ ! can be omitted from the standlone backup kit. $ ! $ ! X-67 KAB0035 Karen Barth 1-Jun-1989 $ ! Add support for TZ30 with new device code. $ ! $ ! X-66 KAB0034 Karen Barth 12-Apr-1989 $ ! Raise TAPE_NPAGEDYN to 800000, allow PHYSICALPAGES $ ! to be set to the default. $ ! $ ! X-65 KAB0033 Karen Barth 8-Mar-1989 $ ! Fix errors in cleanup code. $ ! $ ! X-64 KAB0032 Karen Barth 21-Feb-1989 $ ! Add P5 for VMS kit building. $ ! $ ! X-63 KAB0031 Karen Barth 17-Feb-1989 $ ! Fix EOVMS.NUL problem. $ ! $ ! X-62 KAB0030 Karen Barth 16-Jan-1989 $ ! Update media_count for RX33. Nullify any previous $ ! definitions of DELETE. $ ! $ ! X-61 KAB0029 Karen Barth 13-Jan-1989 $ ! Fix RX33 kit build. $ ! $ ! X-60 KAB0028 Karen Barth 6-Jan-1989 $ ! Raise NPAGEDYN for tape kit. Fix a bug in the system $ ! kit build. $ ! $ ! X-59 KAB0027 Karen Barth 2-Dec-1988 $ ! Make changes to support new booting rules for small $ ! console kits. This involves keeping CPULOA, $ ! STASYSGEN (alias SYSINIT) and STANDCONF together, $ ! and keeping all the drivers on the following volume. $ ! Make the RX33 a small console kit. $ ! Back out part of X-56. $ ! $ ! X-58 KAB0026 Karen Barth 28-Oct-1988 $ ! Change a .NES. to .EQS., fix up an old area that $ ! didn't have error and control Y handling, fix $ ! some error handling that never worked, re-do an $ ! old workaround for DEALLOCATE, add SYSPRV and $ ! create a symbol for the tape value for NPAGEDYN. $ ! $ ! X-57 KAB0025 Karen Barth 05-Oct-1988 $ ! Major rewrite of V5.0 version. Mainly make it table $ ! driven. Table is STABACKIT-TABLE.DAT. Also make $ ! more of the three kit build procedures into common $ ! code, replace as many GOTO constructs as possible $ ! with IF-THEN and IF-THEN-ELSE blocks. Merge $ ! Mayfair II files into table. Take out some never- $ ! referenced labels and routines. Replace all $ ! F$LOGICAL with F$TRNLNM, get rid of references to $ ! copyif_warnings and copyif, and use ORs and ANDs $ ! to make some of the assignment statements easier $ ! to read. $ ! $ ! X-56 KAB0024 Karen Barth 8-Sept-1988 $ ! Add the parameter SA_APP, and delete the now $ ! unneccessary setting of WSMAX, PHYSICALPAGES, $ ! and all the PQL parameters. $ ! $ ! X-55 MAS Mary A. Sullivan 31-Aug-1988 $ ! Merge the following 5.0-3 change: $ ! $ ! X-50U1 RNG00MF2 Rod Gamache 27-Apr-1988 $ ! Add Mayfair II support. $ ! $ ! X-54 KAB0023 Karen Barth 28-Jun-1988 $ ! Add $DECK and $EOD around SETSIZE to make it diet proof. $ ! $ ! X-53 KAB0022 Karen Barth 7-June-1988 $ ! Increased NPAGEDYN to 300032 for all disk kits. $ ! The previous value was too low to boot Calypso $ ! from a disk. $ ! $ ! X-52 KAB0021 Karen Barth 31-May-1988 $ ! Replace LMF$GROUP_TABLE.EXE with a stub. $ ! $ ! X-51 KAB0020 Karen Barth 17-May-1988 $ ! Set SETTIME for all kits. $ ! Exclude SYSLOA9CC.EXE from the RX33 kit. $ ! $ ! X-50 KAB0019 Karen Barth 20-Apr-1988 $ ! Fix deletion of VAXVMSSYS.PAR on error cleanup. Bug $ ! introduced in SLT0001. $ ! As a workaround for another problem which could, if $ ! the system crashes, cause a standalone backup $ ! VAXVMSSYS.PAR to be on the system disk, set the $ ! default directory to be SYS$MANAGER. This way, $ ! any temporary files that remain after a crash $ ! won't hurt anyone. Introduced same as above. $ ! $ ! X-49 KAB0018 Karen Barth 06-Apr-1988 $ ! Add LPDRIVER to the tape kit. $ ! $ ! X-48 KAB0017 Karen Barth 01-Apr-1988 $ ! Raise NPAGEVIR to 1000000, to allow pool expansion $ ! when booting. The problem that this fixes is that $ ! CI based Calypso's are not given enough pool to $ ! configure all their devices. $ ! $ ! X-47 KAB0016 Karen Barth 31-Mar-1988 $ ! Add LIDRIVER to the tape kit. $ ! $ ! X-46 KAB0015 Karen Barth 24-Feb-1988 $ ! Move LOCKING.EXE to the third system volume on TU58 $ ! kit to make space on second volume. $ ! $ ! X-45 KAB0014 Karen Barth 05-Feb-1988 $ ! Add percent sign to symbol deletion message. $ ! $ ! X-44 KAB0013 Karen Barth 14-Jan-1988 $ ! Adjust switch_volume on TU58 kit. $ ! $ ! X-43 KAB0012 Karen Barth 11-Jan-1988 $ ! Increase NPAGDYN on tape kit. $ ! $ ! X-42 KAB0011 Karen Barth 07-Jan-1988 $ ! Add STANDCONF.EXE to the tape kit to support TK50s on $ ! CI based Calypso/CVAX systems. $ ! $ ! $ ! X-41 KAB0010 Karen Barth 06-Jan-1988 $ ! Fix TK50 kit. Needed an exit, to get around error handling $ ! code for analyze/media in the subroutine SWITCH_VOLUME. $ ! $ ! X-40 RKK0019 Robert K. Kosakowski 05-JAN-1988 13:25 $ ! Fix positioning of SYSLICENSE.EXE so that we could move $ ! LMF$GROUP_TABLE.EXE back to the third volume. I moved $ ! SYSLICENSE from volume four to volume three and positioned $ ! it in front of LMF$GROUP_TABLE. $ ! Added LIDRIVER to the list of line printer drivers loaded. $ ! $ ! X-39 RKK0018 Robert K. Kosakowski 31-DEC-1987 10:25 $ ! Fix the positioning of file LMF$GROUP_TABLE.EXE for the media $ ! RX0x and TU58. Move them from the third volume to the fourth. $ ! $ ! X-38 KAB0009 Karen Barth 22-Dec-1987 $ ! Took out the phy_io workaround running SETSIZE (X-28) $ ! and added PHY_IO to the required set of privileges. $ ! $ ! X-37 KAB0008 Karen Barth 21-Dec-1987 $ ! Set the SYSGEN parameters PQL_MWSDEFAULT, PQL_MWSEXTENT $ ! and PQL_MWSQUOTA to 2048, to match the defaults. $ ! This fixes a problem that causes an ACCVIO when $ ! running S/A BACKUP. $ ! $ ! X-36 KAB0007 Karen Barth 04-Dec-1987 $ ! Add TSV05 support. $ ! Clean up the indentation on the copy commands. $ ! $ ! X-35 KAB0006 Karen Barth 01-Dec-1987 $ ! Removed SYSLOA65W from all kits because a decision $ ! was made not to support it. $ ! $ ! X-34 KAB0005 Karen Barth 17-Nov-1987 $ ! Add LMF$GROUP_TABLE.EXE to all kits. This is $ ! necessary for the kits to boot on systems with LMF. $ ! We intend to replace this with just a stub eventually $ ! because licensing is not needed to run Standalone $ ! Backup and this file is expected to grow quite large. $ ! Add CPULOA.EXE to all kits. This is also necessary for $ ! booting because of licensing. $ ! Add PADRIVER to the tape kit because Calypso needs it. $ ! Adjusted error path and message to reflect the proper $ ! value for POOL_REQ. This was stopping the tape kit $ ! from building with PADRIVER added. $ ! Add SYSLOA9CC to create_index. In the shuffle of $ ! various people changing STABACKIT, this was left $ ! out, which causes a boot failure. $ ! Fix RX33 build. The kit did not fit because Indexf.sys $ ! was too large, so special cased the disk initialization $ ! with the /headers qualifier instead of relying on defaults. $ ! Change the message in the RX50 kit to reflect the $ ! fact that it now requires 4 floppies instead of 3. $ ! $ ! X-33 JAE0001 Jerry Eckert 2-Nov-1987 $ ! Add Polarstar (8PS) processor support: $ ! o SYSLOA8PS and CWDRIVER on big disk kit $ ! o SYSLOA8PS on tape kit $ ! No changes were made to the small disk kitting $ ! procedure because the Polarstar console does not $ ! support devices in this category. $ ! $ ! X-31 KABA004 Karen Barth 28-Oct-1987 $ ! Fix no priv error reporting. A label was mis-named $ ! which caused the error "USGOTO, target of GOTO not $ ! found". $ ! $ ! X-30 KAB0003 Karen Barth 15-Oct-1987 $ ! Fix so TK70 is treated as a tape, not disk $ ! $ ! X-29 SLT0002 Sarah Tappan 29-Sep-1987 $ ! Add ^Y exit support while creating open_index.dat $ ! $ ! X-28 KAB0001 Karen Barth 28-Sep-1987 $ ! Fix SYS$LDR problem when upgrading from V4.x to V5.0. $ ! Add Calypso support. $ ! Exclude TVDRIVER from RX0x kits to create more space. $ ! Fix RA60/small console problem. $ ! Disallow switching to an RX33 diskette in the middle $ ! of building an RX50 kit in an RX33 device. $ ! Add phy_io to BUILD_PSEUDO_VOLUME (workaround for external $ ! bug - insufficient privilege running SETSIZE). $ ! Shuffle SWITCH_VOLUMEs so files fit on TU58s. $ ! $ ! X-27 SLT0001 Sarah Tappan 22-Sep-1987 $ ! Add support to create file OPEN_INDEX.DAT when booting $ ! from a TK50 and copy the file to tape cartridge $ ! following SYSBOOT.EXE. This file is used to avoid opening $ ! the files during the boot process and speeds up tape booting. $ ! $ ! X-26 ELM0007 Eva MacKay 25-AUG-1987 $ ! Add support for TU81 1/2 inch mag tape (treated just $ ! TK50 tape cartridge) $ ! $ ! X-25 ROW0607 Ralph O. Weber 15-AUG-1987 $ ! Add copyright notice, as a comment. $ ! $ ! X-24 KGW00122 Keith G. Walls 23-Jul-1987 17:19 $ ! Add LIDRIVER to all kits (except TK50 kit for now). $ ! $ ! X-? DBM DB Mills 23-Jul-1987 $ ! Misc changes for increasing NPAGEDYN, merging V4.6 $ ! version into V5.0 version, reordering files for V5.0 $ ! EXEC changes. Fix edit history. $ ! $ ! X-23 JTK Jim Klumpp 17-Apr-1987 $ ! Add Mayfair images. $ ! $ ! X-22 HH0270 Hai Huang 15-Apr-1987 $ ! Clear LOAD_SYS_IMAGES SYSGEN parameter to disable $ ! processing of system image data file. $ ! $ ! X-21 HH0268 Hai Huang 3-Apr-1987 $ ! Set SYSGEN MULTIPROCESSING parameter to appropriate $ ! value and put SYSTEM_SYNCHRONIZATION_UNI.EXE on the $ ! standalone system kit. $ ! $ ! X-20 BJT0073 Benjamin J. Thomas III 20-Mar-1987 $ ! Add proper RX33 support. $ ! Add DVDRIVER for VAXstar (remove comments). $ ! Shuffle RX50 floppy switch locations where necessary. $ ! $ ! X-19 HH0262 Hai Huang 19-Mar-1987 $ ! Correctly copy VMS$SYSTEM_IMAGES.DATA (use CopyTC $ ! since this is a binary file). $ ! $ ! X-18 HH0260 Hai Huang 16-Mar-1987 $ ! Add VMS$SYSTEM_IMAGES.DATA. $ ! $ ! X-17 CWH5017 CW Hobbs 24-Feb-1987 $ ! Use PSEUDOLOA instead of VMSD4. $ ! $ ! X-16 BJT0067 Benjamin J. Thomas III 18-Feb-1987 $ ! Add TVDRIVER to large system disk kit $ ! $ ! X-15 CRF001 Chris Franklin 13-Feb-1987 $ ! Remove references to MicroVMS in comments. $ ! $ ! X-14 HH0238 Hai Huang 9-Jan-1987 $ ! Add support for loadable images in a separate directory, $ ! i.e. <SYS$LDR> rather than <SYSEXE>. $ ! $ ! X-13 KGW00054 Keith G. Walls 8-Dec-1986 03:34 $ ! Make the messages reflect the number (five) of pieces of $ ! media required for TU58 and RX0x kits. $ ! $ ! X-12 KGW00053 Keith G. Walls 8-Dec-1986 03:28 $ ! Fix file-split for TU58 and RX0X kits. $ ! $ ! X-11 KGW00052 Keith G. Walls 7-Dec-1986 04:07 $ ! Generation numbers were out-of-synch because of $ ! concurrent development. $ ! $ ! X-7 KGW00048 Keith G. Walls 6-Nov-1986 00:32 $ ! Change to reflect Version 5's exec-reorg and SMP. $ ! Differences: $ ! (1) The new exec files from the split sys.exe must be $ ! copied to the kit. There is no restriction on the number $ ! of diskettes or files per volume with the following $ ! exceptions: $ ! (a) VAXVMSSYS.PAR must be on the same volume as SYS.EXE. $ ! (b) Any file loaded before SYS.EXE (boot driver, $ ! VMB.EXE, SYSBOOT.EXE) must be on the first volume. $ ! (c) Any optional files must be on the same volume $ ! as the most recently loaded mandatory file. (Not $ ! used (yet) except the special case of VAXVMSSYS.PAR). $ ! (2) SYS.EXE can no longer be split across volumes. $ ! (3) The pseudo-device method of booting is supported only $ ! for tapes. (I.e. no file may be split across volumes.) $ ! (4) Change the way that volumes are changed in this routine $ ! by calling a subroutine to do the volume switch. $ ! (5) Change all symbol assignments to global. $ ! (6) Delete all (inherited) global symbols. $ ! (7) Back-out JJO0022. $ ! Merge concurrent replacements: $ ! $ ! X-6 WCT Ward C. Travis 15-Sep-1986 $ ! Updated to build with new 410 name for VAXstar processor. $ ! $ ! X-5 CWH0005 CW Hobbs 8-Jul-1986 $ ! Support for the VAXstar. $ ! $ ! X-? JJO0022 Jay J. Olson 27-Feb-1986 $ ! Allow RX50 kits to be built in such a way that the $ ! pseudo-disk method of booting (used for TK50s) can $ ! be used. This allows the standalone backup floppy $ ! to be removed (and potentially be replaced by a $ ! floppy containing a saveset) while the backup is in $ ! progress. Also, track the SYSBOOT change which $ ! removes the need for B/20000 when booting from TK50s. $ ! $ ! X-4 CWH0004 CW Hobbs 21-Feb-1986 $ ! Place an incorrect copy of DSDRIVER on the system- $ ! specific root, so that it will not be possible to $ ! boot standalone systems from a shadow set. $ ! $ ! X-3 CWH0003 CW Hobbs 6-Feb-1986 $ ! Add pedestal support $ ! $ ! X-2 CWH0002 CW Hobbs 11-Nov-1985 $ ! Use SET SYMBOL instead of DELETE /SYMBOL. Use some $ ! dummy file for EOVMS.NUL for the TK50 kit. $ ! $ ! X-1 CWH0001 CW Hobbs 30-Oct-1985 $ ! For console kits, make a four volume kit. Add preliminary $ ! Nautilus support to the RX50 kit. Do not ask about a $ ! bad block scan on 750 console TU58s. Give the option $ ! of data checking -- done by hand because the 750 console TU58 $ ! does not reliably handle data checking in the driver, and the $ ! RX0x do not support it at all. (As long as you have to do it $ ! manually, do it for all devices -- even those which do support $ ! driver level data checking.) Remove all MicroVAX tests, the $ ! kitting procedure is driven by media type and presence of $ ! files (CopyIF it exists). $ ! $ ! V04-007 CWH4007 CW Hobbs 20-Sep-1985 $ ! For V4.3, reduce the number of headers so that TU58 $ ! kits will work. $ ! $ ! V04-006 EMB0158 Ellen M. Batbouta 07-Aug-1985 $ ! Modify this command procedure to build an RX50 kit which $ ! supports both 8200 and MicroVAX systems. $ ! $ ! V04-005 DGB0121 Donald G. Blair 31-May-1985 $ ! Omit VMB.EXE from MicroVMS standalone backup kits. $ ! $ ! V04-004 EMB0130 Ellen M. Batbouta 11-Mar-1985 $ ! Add Scorpio support. $ ! $ ! V04-003 JJO0004 Jay Olson 27-Feb-1985 $ ! Add TK50 support and provide hooks for other devices $ ! which will use the same pseudo-disk scheme. $ ! $ ! V04-002 BJT0003 B Thomas 12-Feb-1985 $ ! Add MicroVAX II support. This requires reworking the $ ! RX50 distribution scheme such that two floppies are used $ ! for the system. Remove old 1 floppy code. $ ! $ ! V04-001 CWH4001 CW Hobbs 16-Jan-1985 $ ! Make sure that the MEDIA_NAME symbol is set in a common path, $ ! so that it is always valid. Change determination of console $ ! device so that large console devices (e.g. the RL02 on the $ ! VAX8600) are properly dismounted and remounted. Consistently $ ! use international directory delimiters "<" and ">" in all $ ! directory strings. If the target disk is currently mounted $ ! /NOWRITE, double-check to verify that the user really wants $ ! to write to the disk. $ ! $ !-- $ ! $ ! Delete all global symbols inherited by the procedure. Tell the user $ ! we did this. $ ! $ DELETE == "" $ DELETE /SYMBOL /GLOBAL /ALL $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "%STABACKIT-I-SYMDEL, all global symbols deleted" $ STA0$START_TIME == F$CVTIME (,"ABSOLUTE") $ ! $ ! Set up a few symbols for later. It is simpler to preset many flags $ ! in this section than it is to verify that a flag will be set on $ ! some particular route through the procedure. Many times errors have $ ! been discovered because a flag had not been initialised under some $ ! obscure condition, and the procedure died because of that. $ ! $ FALSE == 0 $ TRUE == 1 $ ! $ ANAL_MED == FALSE $ AT_END == FALSE $ BEFORE_DRIVERS == TRUE $ CONFIG_FILE_COUNT == 0 $ CONFIG_FILES == FALSE $ BUILD_DISK_IMAGE == FALSE $ BUILD_SYSTEM == TRUE $ CBT == "" $ CHECK_FOR_VOLUME_SWITCH == "CALL STA1$CHECK_FOR_VOLUME_SWITCH" $ CMN_SYS_DIR == "" $ CONSOLE_CONNECTED == FALSE $ CONSOLE_DEVICE == FALSE $ CopySB == "CALL STA0$COPY_SB" $ CopyTC == "CALL STA0$COPY_TC" $ COPY_VER == FALSE $ CPU_780 == 1 $ CPU_750 == 2 $ CPU_730 == 3 $ CPU_8600 == 4 $ CPU_8200 == 5 $ CPU_8NN == 6 $ CPU_UV1 == 7 $ CPU_UV2 == 8 $ CPU_8PS == 17 $ CPU_9AQ == 14 $ CREATE_TAPE_INDEX == "CALL STA0$OPEN_INDEX" $ CREATING_TAPE_INDEX == FALSE $ DC_REMCSL_STORAGE == %XAA $ DEFAULT_DIR == F$ENVIRONMENT ("DEFAULT") $ DENS == "" $ DEVICE_MOUNTED == FALSE $ DEVICE_ORIGINALLY_MOUNTED == FALSE $ DISK_FULL == FALSE $ DISK_HEADERS == 12 $ DISK_IMAGE_NPAGEDYN == 5000000 $ DISK_IMAGE_NPAGEVIR == 8000000 $ DISK_OVERHEAD == 34 $ GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL == "" $ HEADER_PARAM == "" $ KIT_DONE == FALSE $ LARGE_DISK_KIT == FALSE $ MEDIA_SWITCH == FALSE $ MNTCACHE == "" $ NUM == 0 $ NUM_OF_FILES == 0 $ P2_VERIFIED == FALSE $ REMOTE_CONSOLE == FALSE $ RX50_IN_RX33_DRIVE == FALSE $ SAY == "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT" $ SEPARATE_CONFIG_VOLUME == FALSE $ SIZE_OF_FILES == 0 $ SMALL_CONSOLE == FALSE $ STABACCOP == "$STABACCOP" $ START_INDEX == FALSE $ Switch_Volume == "CALL STA0$SWITCH_VOLUME" $ TAPE_NPAGEDYN == 950000 $ TAPE_NPAGEVIR == 2000000 $ TRG_DEVICE == "" $ TRGSAVE_DEVICE == "" $ USES_PSEUDO_DISK == FALSE $ VOLUME_COUNT == 0 $ VMS_KIT_BUILD == F$EDIT (P5, "UPCASE") .EQS. "KIT" $ ! $ ! Unsupported debug tools. If DEBUG is defined, STABACKIT $ ! will run in batch mode, building a disk, displaying the $ ! disk, then erasing the disk and building the next one. $ ! This is useful for a quick check of whether files fit on $ ! console media. $ ! $ DEBUG == 0 $ TRACE == 0 $ TRC == "!" ! TRC - execute this line if in trace mo de $ DBG == "!" ! DBG - execute this line if in debug mo de, do not execute in normal mode $ NDBG == "" ! NDBG - do not execute if in debug mode , execute in normal mode $ IF TRACE THEN TRC == "" $ IF DEBUG THEN DBG == "" $ IF DEBUG THEN NDBG == "!" $ ! $ ! Don't let redefined symbols mess us up $ ! $ SET :== SET $ SET SYMBOL /SCOPE = (NOLOCAL) $ ! $'ndbg' IF F$MODE() .NES. "INTERACTIVE" THEN GOTO STA0$ERR_NO_INT $ ! $ SET RMS_DEFAULT /EXTEND_QUANTITY=10 $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO STA0$CLEAN_UP $ ON CONTROL_Y THEN GOTO STA0$CLEAN_UP $ ! $ ! Get necessary privileges and a system UIC $ ! $ SAVED_PRIVS == F$SETPRV ("CMKRNL,CMEXEC,LOG_IO,SYSNAM,SYSPRV,VOLPRO,OPER ,BYPASS,PHY_IO") $ IF .NOT. F$PRIVILEGE ("CMKRNL,CMEXEC,LOG_IO,SYSNAM,SYSPRV,VOLPRO,OPER,BY PASS,PHY_IO") THEN GOTO STA0$ERR_NO_PRIVS $ SAVED_PROT == F$ENVIRONMENT ("PROTECTION") $ SAVED_UIC == F$USER () $ TEMP == F$SETPRV ("NOBYPASS") ! Don't want this all the time $ SET PROTECTION = (SYSTEM=RWED,OWNER=RWED,GROUP=RWED,WORLD) /DEFAULT $ SET UIC [1,4] $ ! $ ! Create a special, unique subdirectory for STABACKIT to do it's work. $ ! $ STABACKIT_DIR == "SYS$SPECIFIC:<SYSUPD.STABACKIT-TEMP-" + F$GETJPI ("", "PID") + ">" $ CREATE /DIRECTORY 'STABACKIT_DIR' $ SET DEFAULT 'STABACKIT_DIR' $ DEFINE /NOLOG STA$LOCAL_DIR 'STABACKIT_DIR' $ ! $ ! Find out where to find the source files. Make sure that the source $ ! directory exists and contains SYS.EXE $ ! $ IF P3 .EQS. "" THEN P3 = "SYS$SYSROOT:<SYSEXE>" $ SRC_DIRECTORY == P3 $ DEFINE /NOLOG STA$SOURCE 'SRC_DIRECTORY' $ SRC_DEV == F$PARSE (SRC_DIRECTORY,,,"DEVICE") $ SRC_DIR == F$PARSE (SRC_DIRECTORY,,,"DIRECTORY") $ IF F$LOCATE ("S...and BACKUP. The files must be $ ! in the order which SYSBOOT expects them, and all the drivers mus t $ ! be on the last volume. $ ! $ ! Tape kits use the pseudo disk scheme. A file called PSEUDOLOA. EXE $ ! contains the standalone images as well as all the drivers. This file $ ! is loaded into nonpaged pool at boot time. The other system fil es $ ! and loadable images are copied to the tape media. $ ! $ ! The files which are needed for each kit are stored in a table ca lled $ ! STABACKIT-TABLE.DAT. This table contains the name of each syste m $ ! file, as well as information on how to copy the files, and which $ ! kit they belong on. $ ! $ ! In order to conserve space, two different methods are used to co py $ ! the files. Normal VMS images are copied with the STABACCOP prog ram, $ ! which removes symbol table and patch text blocks. STABACCOP cre ates $ ! contiguous files. Non-VMS load images (such as VMB and SYSBOOT) use $ ! the COPY command with the /CONTIGUOUS and /TRUNCATE options. No te $ ! that all files copied to tape use COPY, because STABACCOP doesn' t $ ! work to tape. $ ! $ ! INPUTS: STA$TARGET - logical name pointing to target device and dir ectory $ ! STA$LDR_TARGET - logical name pointing to target device and dir ectory of loadable images $ ! STA$SOURCE - logical name pointing to source directory $ ! STA$LDR_SOURCE - logical name pointing to source directory of l oadable images $ ! APPL_KIT - application name, e.g. "BACKUP" or "BAD" $ ! KIT_DONE - symbol to set after successful completion $ ! TRG_DEVICE - target device name, e.g. "DYA0:" $ ! DEV_TYPE - device type code $ ! BUILD_SYSTEM - build system kit boolean, can only be false on small console kit $ ! BUILD_APPL - build application kit boolean, can only be fal se on small console kit $ ! ANAL_MED - ANALYZE /MEDIA boolean $ !-- $ ! $ ! Set up a local error path $ ! $ IF USES_PSEUDO_DISK .OR. BUILD_DISK_IMAGE $ THEN $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO TAPE$CLEAN_UP $ ON CONTROL_Y THEN GOTO TAPE$CLEAN_UP $ ELSE $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO STA0$CLEAN_UP $ ON CONTROL_Y THEN GOTO STA0$CLEAN_UP $ ENDIF $ ! $ ! Do any preliminary setup stuff needed before copying the files to the kit. $ ! $ IF BUILD_DISK_IMAGE $ THEN $ KIT_NAME == "PSEUDO" $ PSEUDO_NAME == "PSEUDOLOA.EXE" $ GOSUB STA1$PSEUDO_DISK_SETUP $ COPY SYS$SYSTEM:PSEUDOLOA.EXE SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES: $ KIT_NAME == "DISK_IMAGE" $ PSEUDO_NAME == "SABKUP.IMA" $ GOSUB STA1$PSEUDO_DISK_SETUP $ IF (F$SEARCH ("SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:PSEUDOLOA.EXE") .NES. "") $ THEN DELETE /NOLOG SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:PSEUDOLOA.EXE;* $ ENDIF $ GOSUB STA1$DISK_IMAGE_FINISH $ RETURN $ ENDIF $ IF USES_PSEUDO_DISK $ THEN $ KIT_NAME == "PSEUDO" $ PSEUDO_NAME == "PSEUDOLOA.EXE" $ GOSUB STA1$PSEUDO_DISK_SETUP $ ENDIF $ IF SMALL_CONSOLE THEN GOSUB STA1$SMALL_CONSOLE_SETUP $ IF LARGE_DISK_KIT $ THEN $ IF CMN_SYS_DIR .NES. "" $ THEN GOSUB STA1$SYSTEM_DISK_SETUP $ ELSE GOSUB STA1$LARGE_DISK_SETUP $ ENDIF $ ENDIF $ ! $ IF BUILD_SYSTEM .AND. (.NOT. TAPE) THEN GOSUB STA1$PARSE_TABLE $ IF GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL .NES. "" THEN GOTO 'GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL $ ! $ IF USES_PSEUDO_DISK THEN GOSUB STA1$PSEUDO_DISK_FINISH $ IF SMALL_CONSOLE THEN GOSUB STA1$SMALL_CONSOLE_FINISH $ IF LARGE_DISK_KIT $ THEN $ IF CMN_SYS_DIR .NES. "" $ THEN GOSUB STA1$SYSTEM_DISK_FINISH $ ELSE GOSUB STA1$LARGE_DISK_FINISH $ ENDIF $ ENDIF $ ! $ RETURN ! To STA0$CLEAN_UP $ ! $ STA1$PSEUDO_DISK_SETUP: $ ! $ ! Calculate how much non-paged pool will be required for the $ ! pseudo-disk (both as a check that the SYSGEN parameters for $ ! the standalone system are OK and so that we can calculate $ ! how much pool and disk space will be needed to build it). $ ! $ REQUIRED_SIZE == DISK_OVERHEAD $ IF KIT_NAME .EQS. "DISK_IMAGE" THEN REQUIRED_SIZE == 2*REQUIRED_SIZE+1 $ NUMBER_OF_FILES == 0 $ ! $ ! Calculate the required size for the pseudo disk. $ ! $ GOSUB STA1$PARSE_TABLE $ POOL_REQ == 512*REQUIRED_SIZE $ SYSGEN :== $SYSGEN $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO STA3$NO_CONNECT $ IF .NOT. F$GETDVI ("PDA0:", "EXISTS") THEN - SYSGEN CONNECT PDA0 /NOADAPTER /DRIVER=PDDRIVER $ IF .NOT. F$GETDVI ("PDA0:","EXISTS") THEN GOTO STA3$NO_CONNECT $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO STA3$NO_ALLOC $ IF KIT_NAME .EQS. "PSEUDO" THEN ALLOCATE PDA0: $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO TAPE$CLEAN_UP $ MACRO /OBJECT=SETSIZE.OBJ /NOLIST SYS$INPUT $ DECK .TITLE SETSIZE $IODEF .PSECT $DATA,WRT,NOEXE,LONG PD_DESCR: .ASCID "PDA0:" PD_CHAN: .BLKL 1 PD_IOSB: .BLKQ 1 QIO_ARGS: $QIO IOSB=PD_IOSB CMD_DESCR: .LONG 4 .ADDRESS SIZ_ASC SIZ_ASC: .BLKB 6 PROMPT: .ASCID "Size: " PD_SIZE: .BLKL 1 .PSECT $CODE,EXE,NOWRT .ENTRY SETSIZE,^M<> $ASSIGN_S DEVNAM=PD_DESCR,CHAN=PD_CHAN BLBC R0,DONE MOVZWL PD_CHAN,QIO_ARGS+QIO$_CHAN PUSHAL CMD_DESCR PUSHAQ PROMPT PUSHAQ CMD_DESCR CALLS #3,G^LIB$GET_FOREIGN PUSHAL PD_SIZE PUSHAL CMD_DESCR CALLS #2,G^OTS$CVT_TI_L MOVZBL #IO$_PACKACK,QIO_ARGS+QIO$_FUNC $QIOW_G QIO_ARGS BSBW ERRCHK MOVZBL #IO$_FORMAT,QIO_ARGS+QIO$_FUNC MOVL PD_SIZE,QIO_ARGS+QIO$_P1 $QIOW_G QIO_ARGS BSBW ERRCHK DONE: RET ERRCHK: BLBC R0,20$ BLBC PD_IOSB,10$ RSB 10$: MOVZWL PD_IOSB,R0 20$: RET .END SETSIZE $ EOD $ LINK SETSIZE $ DELETE /NOLOG SETSIZE.OBJ; $ SETSIZE :== $'F$TRNLNM("SYS$DISK")''F$DIRECTORY()'SETSIZE $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO STA3$POOL_FRAGMENTED $ SETSIZE 'REQUIRED_SIZE' $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO TAPE$CLEAN_UP $ DELETE /NOLOG SETSIZE.EXE; $ ! $ ! At this point we know that the pseudo disk has been sized ok, $ ! so initialize the pseudo disk and copy the files to it. $ ! $ IF F$GETDVI ("PDA0:","MNT") THEN DISMOUNT /NOUNLOAD PDA0: $ IF (NUMBER_OF_FILES + DISK_HEADERS) .GT. 16 $ THEN $ HEADERS = NUMBER_OF_FILES + DISK_HEADERS $ ELSE $ HEADERS = 16 $ ENDIF $ INITIALIZE /SYSTEM /HEADERS = 'HEADERS' PDA0: 'KIT_NAME' $ MOUNT /SYSTEM PDA0: 'KIT_NAME' $ IF KIT_NAME .EQS. "PSEUDO" $ THEN SAY "Copy special SYSINIT and application to PDA0:" $ ELSE SAY "Copy application to virtual disk image" $ ENDIF $ CREATE /DIRECTORY /OWNER=[1,4] PDA0:<SYS0.SYSEXE> $ CREATE /DIRECTORY /OWNER=[1,4] PDA0:<SYS0.SYS$LDR> $ OPEN /READ COMMAND_FILE COMMAND.FILE $ PSEUDO$GET_ANOTHER: $ READ /END_OF_FILE=PSEUDO$ENDING COMMAND_FILE COMMAND_LINE $ 'COMMAND_LINE' $ GOTO PSEUDO$GET_ANOTHER $ PSEUDO$ENDING: $ CLOSE COMMAND_FILE $ DISMOUNT /NOUNLOAD PDA0: $ MOUNT /NOMESSAGE /FOREIGN PDA0: $ IF REQUIRED_SIZE .LE. F$GETDVI ("STA$SOURCE","FREEBLOCKS") $ THEN $ SET NOON ! Temporary workaround for COPY bug $ ASSIGN /USER_MODE NL: SYS$ERROR $ ASSIGN /USER_MODE NL: SYS$OUTPUT $ COPY PDA0: STA$SOURCE:'PSEUDO_NAME' /LOG $ SAY "''PSEUDO_NAME' created in directory ''F$TRNLNM (""STA$SOURCE"") '" $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO TAPE$CLEAN_UP $ ENDIF $ ! $ IF (KIT_NAME .EQS. "DISK_IMAGE") THEN RETURN $ IF POOL_REQ .GT. TAPE_NPAGEDYN THEN GOTO STA3$INT_POOL_ERR $ ! $ ! Slight adjustment to SYSGEN parameters for tape kits. Ensure sufficie nt $ ! nonpaged pool and set special parameter PSEUDOLOA, which triggers ever ything. $ ! $ TEMPNAME == "SYS$SYSROOT:<SYSUPD>STABACKIT-SYSGEN-" + F$GETJPI("","PID") + ".COM" $ OPEN /WRITE TEMPFILE 'TEMPNAME' $ WRITE TEMPFILE "$ RUN SYS$SYSROOT:<SYSEXE>SYSGEN" $ WRITE TEMPFILE "USE PARAMETER_FILE" $ IF BUILD_DISK_IMAGE $ THEN $ WRITE TEMPFILE "SET NPAGEDYN ''DISK_IMAGE_NPAGEDYN'" $ WRITE TEMPFILE "SET NPAGEVIR ''DISK_IMAGE_NPAGEVIR'" $ ELSE $ WRITE TEMPFILE "SET NPAGEDYN ''TAPE_NPAGEDYN'" $ WRITE TEMPFILE "SET NPAGEVIR ''TAPE_NPAGEVIR'" $ ENDIF $ WRITE TEMPFILE "SET PSEUDOLOA ''REQUIRED_SIZE'" $ WRITE TEMPFILE "WRITE PARAMETER_FILE" $ CLOSE TEMPFILE $ @'TEMPNAME' $ DELETE /NOLOG 'TEMPNAME'; $ ! $ COPY PARAMETER_FILE STA$LOCAL_DIR:VAXVMSSYS.PAR $ IF BUILD_DISK_IMAGE THEN RETURN $ ! Initialize and mount the target device. $ ! $ STA3$MOUNT_TARGET: $ GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL == "" $ IF .NOT. VMS_KIT_BUILD $ THEN $ Switch_Volume "scratch" "SYSTEM" $ IF GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL .NES. "" THEN GOTO 'GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL $ ENDIF $ ! $ KIT_NAME == "TAPE" $ ! $ ! Prior to copying the rest of the files, create the file $ ! OPEN-INDEX.DAT. OPEN_INDEX.DAT will be copied to the tape $ ! directly following SYSBOOT.EXE. The file contains the name and $ ! tape position of each of the files that go on the tape. This $ ! information is used to avoid opening each file and speed up the $ ! boot process. $ ! $ CREATE OPEN_INDEX.MAR $ TAPE_POSITION == 0 $ CREATING_TAPE_INDEX == TRUE $ GOSUB STA1$PARSE_TABLE $ ! $ OPEN /READ TAPE_INDEX_COMMAND_FILE TAPE_COMMAND.FILE $ INDEX$GET_ANOTHER: $ READ /END_OF_FILE=INDEX$ENDING TAPE_INDEX_COMMAND_FILE COMMAND_LINE $ 'COMMAND_LINE' $ GOTO INDEX$GET_ANOTHER $ INDEX$ENDING: $ CLOSE TAPE_INDEX_COMMAND_FILE $ CREATING_TAPE_INDEX == FALSE $ ! $ If F$SEARCH ("STA$SOURCE:PSEUDOLOA.EXE") .NES. "" $ THEN $ CREATE_TAPE_INDEX STA$SOURCE:PSEUDOLOA.EXE $ ELSE $ SET NOON ! Temporary workaround for COPY bug $ ASSIGN /USER_MODE NL: SYS$ERROR $ ASSIGN /USER_MODE NL: SYS$OUTPUT $ COPY PDA0: PSEUDOLOA.EXE $ CREATE_TAPE_INDEX PSEUDOLOA.EXE $ DELETE /NOLOG PSEUDOLOA.EXE; $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO TAPE$CLEAN_UP $ ENDIF $ ! Add the rest of the files. $ ! Note: because of a BACKUP problem, EOVMS.NUL must not be $ ! a zero length file. Use a naked copy because the COPYTC $ ! call has problems with sys$input. $ ! $ COPY /CONTIGUOUS /TRUNCATE SYS$INPUT: EOVMS.NUL $ CREATE_TAPE_INDEX EOVMS.NUL $ DELETE /NOLOG EOVMS.NUL; $ ! $ OPEN /APPEND TMP OPEN_INDEX.MAR $ WRITE TMP " .END" $ CLOSE TMP $ MACRO /NOLIST OPEN_INDEX $ LINK /SYSTEM /EXE=OPEN_INDEX.DAT OPEN_INDEX $ ! $ OPEN /READ COMMAND_FILE COMMAND.FILE $ TAPE$GET_ANOTHER: $ READ /END_OF_FILE=TAPE$ENDING COMMAND_FILE COMMAND_LINE $ 'COMMAND_LINE' $ GOTO TAPE$GET_ANOTHER $ TAPE$ENDING: $ CLOSE COMMAND_FILE $ RETURN ! From subroutine PSEUDO_DISK_SETUP $!+ $! Error routines $!- $ STA3$UNEXPECTED: $ SAY "Unexpected eof or file read error * INTERNAL ERROR *" $ CLOSE TEMP_FILE $ GOTO STA3$ERR_COMMON $ ! $ STA3$NO_CONNECT: $ SAY "Cannot load or connect pseudo-disk." $ GOTO STA3$ERR_COMMON $ ! $ STA3$NO_ALLOC: $ SAY "Cannot allocate pseudo-disk." $ GOTO STA3$ERR_COMMON $ ! $ STA3$INT_POOL_ERR: $ SAY "* INTERNAL ERROR * non-paged pool requirement of ''POOL_REQ'" $ SAY "bytes is greater than maximum expected (''TAPE_NPAGEDYN')." $ GOTO STA3$ERR_COMMON $ ! $ STA3$POOL_FRAGMENTED: $ SAY "" $ SAY "There is insufficient contiguous non-paged dynamic memory in which to load the" $ SAY "pseudo-disk. We need a single block of ''POOL_REQ' free bytes. Pl ease check" $ SAY "the display for SHOW MEMORY /POOL /FULL and see the values which it shows for" $ SAY """Initial Size (NPAGEDYN)"", ""Maximum Size (NPAGEVIR)"", and ""Siz e of Largest" $ SAY "Block""." $ SAY "" $ SAY "You should be able to add ''POOL_REQ' free bytes to the value of NP AGEVIR, and" $ SAY "then reboot. To do this, add a line ""ADD_NPAGEVIR = ''POOL_REQ'"" to the file" $ SAY "SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT. You should then run AUTOGEN by issuing t he following" $ SAY "command:" $ SAY "" $ SAY " $ @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN GETDATA REBOOT" $ SAY "" $ SAY "You can leave the value of NPAGEVIR at the larger value, so that yo u will be" $ SAY "able to make additional Standalone BACKUP kits in the future. Ther e is a very" $ SAY "small cost to leaving this value large." $ SAY "" $ SAY "If this does not work, and the system fails to expand pool to the r equired" $ SAY "maximum size, then it will be necessary to add ''POOL_REQ' bytes to the static" $ SAY "parameter NPAGEDYN. Note that you should merely set NPAGEDYN to th e new value" $ OLDVAL = F$GETSYI("NPAGEDYN") $ NEWVAL = OLDVAL + POOL_REQ $ SAY "''NEWVAL', and reboot. After building the Standalone Backup kit, y ou should" $ SAY "set the value of NPAGEDYN back to its current value of ''OLDVAL' an d" $ SAY "reboot again. If you leave NPAGEDYN at ''NEWVAL' bytes, you will a lways be" $ SAY "wasting the ''POOL_REQ' bytes which you only need when you build St andalone" $ SAY "BACKUP. For the same reason, you do not want to raise NPAGEDYN in" $ SAY "MODPARAMS.DAT." $ SAY "" $ SETSIZE 4 $ DELETE /NOLOG SETSIZE.EXE; $ ! $ STA3$ERR_COMMON: $ SAY "" $ GOTO TAPE$CLEAN_UP $ ! $ STA1$SMALL_CONSOLE_SETUP: $ IF BUILD_SYSTEM $ THEN $ ! $ ! Define the kit type. This symbol will be used to search the table . $ ! $ 'ifRX50' KIT_NAME == "RX50" $ 'ifTU58' KIT_NAME == "TU58" $ 'ifRX0x' KIT_NAME == "RX0X" $ 'ifRX33' KIT_NAME == "RX33" $ CREATE VOLUME_SWITCH.INFO $ ENDIF $ RETURN $ ! $ STA1$SYSTEM_DISK_SETUP: $ ! $ CREATE /DIRECTORY /LOG STA$TARGET, STA$LDR_TARGET $ ! $ KIT_NAME == "SYS_DISK" $ RETURN $ ! $ STA1$LARGE_DISK_SETUP: $ ! $ CREATE /DIRECTORY /LOG STA$TARGET, STA$LDR_TARGET $ ! $ ! Define the kit type. This symbol will be used to search the table. $ ! $ KIT_NAME == "LARGE_DISK" $ RETURN $ ! $ STA1$PARSE_TABLE: $ IF F$SEARCH ("STA$LOCAL_DIR:VAXVMSSYS.PAR") .EQS. "" - .AND. (KIT_NAME .NES. "PSEUDO") THEN COPY PARAMETER_FILE STA$LOCAL_D IR:VAXVMSSYS.PAR $ IF F$SEARCH ("STA$LOCAL_DIR:SYSINIT.EXE") .EQS. "" THEN COPY STA$SOURCE: STASYSGEN.EXE STA$LOCAL_DIR:SYSINIT.EXE $ IF (TAPE .OR. REMOTE_CONSOLE) THEN - IF (F$SEARCH ("STA$LOCAL_DIR:STANDALON.EXE") .EQS. "") - THEN COPY STA$SOURCE:STA'APPL_KIT'.EXE STA$LOCAL_DIR:STANDALON.EXE $ ! $ ! Build the list of files that go on the kit and copy them. This list i s $ ! built from the table contained in STABACKIT-TABLE.DAT. $ ! $ OPEN /READ LIST_OF_FILES SYS$UPDATE:STABACKIT-TABLE.DAT $ OPEN /WRITE COPY_COMMAND_FILE COMMAND.FILE $ IF CREATING_TAPE_INDEX $ THEN $ OPEN /WRITE TAPE_INDEX TAPE_COMMAND.FILE $ ENDIF $ STA1$GET_ANOTHER_FILE: $ READ /END_OF_FILE=STA1$END_COPY LIST_OF_FILES FILE_STRING $ IF ( F$EXTRACT (0, 1, FILE_STRING) .EQS. "!") - .OR. (F$LOCATE ("''KIT_NAME'", FILE_STRING) .EQ. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRI NG) ) - THEN GOTO STA1$GET_ANOTHER_FILE $ ! $ ! Get the filename from the table. Note that if there are ever any $ ! files added with a different extension, that extension will have $ ! to be checked here also. $ ! $ IF F$LOCATE (".EXE", FILE_STRING) .NE. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING) - THEN FILE_NAME = F$EXTRACT (0, F$LOCATE (".EXE", FILE_STRING) + 4, F ILE_STRING) $ IF F$LOCATE (".PAR", FILE_STRING) .NE. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING) - THEN FILE_NAME = F$EXTRACT (0, F$LOCATE (".PAR", FILE_STRING) + 4, F ILE_STRING) $ IF F$LOCATE (".DAT", FILE_STRING) .NE. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING) - THEN FILE_NAME = F$EXTRACT (0, F$LOCATE (".DAT", FILE_STRING) + 4, F ILE_STRING) $ IF F$LOCATE (".SYS", FILE_STRING) .NE. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING) - THEN FILE_NAME = F$EXTRACT (0, F$LOCATE (".SYS", FILE_STRING) + 4, F ILE_STRING) $ IF (F$LOCATE ("SYSEXE", FILE_STRING) .NES. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING) ) $ THEN $ TARGET_DIR = "STA$TARGET" $ IF (F$LOCATE ("LOCAL", FILE_STRING) .NES. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING) ) $ THEN SOURCE_DIR = "STA$LOCAL_DIR" $ ELSE SOURCE_DIR = "STA$SOURCE" $ ENDIF $ PSEUDO_TARGET = "PDA0:<SYS0.SYSEXE>" $ ELSE $ 'ifnotMAGTAPE' TARGET_DIR = "STA$LDR_TARGET" $ 'ifMAGTAPE' TARGET_DIR = "STA$TARGET" $ SOURCE_DIR = "STA$LDR_SOURCE" $ PSEUDO_TARGET = "PDA0:<SYS0.SYS$LDR>" $ ENDIF $ FILE_SPEC == ''SOURCE_DIR' + ":" + FILE_NAME $ IF (KIT_NAME .NES. "PSEUDO" .AND. KIT_NAME .NES. "DISK_IMAGE") $ THEN $ ! $ ! If the file is optional, and it's not on the system, then get the next file. $ ! $ IF (F$LOCATE ("OPTIONAL", FILE_STRING) .NES. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING) ) - .AND. (F$SEARCH ("''FILE_SPEC'") .EQS. "") $ THEN $ GOTO STA1$GET_ANOTHER_FILE $ ENDIF $ ! $ ! Determine whether to use COPY or STABACCOP to copy the file. $ ! $ IF (F$LOCATE ("COPYTC", FILE_STRING) .NES. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING) ) .OR. TAPE $ THEN $ COPY_FILE = "COPYTC" $ ELSE $ COPY_FILE = "COPYSB" $ ENDIF $ IF SMALL_CONSOLE THEN CHECK_FOR_VOLUME_SWITCH $ IF CREATING_TAPE_INDEX $ THEN $ IF FILE_NAME .EQS. "SYS.EXE" THEN START_INDEX == TRUE $ IF START_INDEX THEN WRITE TAPE_INDEX "CREATE_TAPE_INDEX ", FILE_ SPEC $ ENDIF $ WRITE COPY_COMMAND_FILE COPY_FILE," ", FILE_SPEC," ", TARGET_DIR, ": ", CBT $ ELSE $ ! Temporarily allow for optional images in the disk image. $ ! $ IF (((KIT_NAME .EQS. "PSEUDO") .AND. - (FILE_NAME .EQS. "PSEUDOLOA.EXE")) .OR. - ((KIT_NAME .EQS. "DISK_IMAGE") .AND. - (F$LOCATE ("OPTIONAL", FILE_STRING) .NES. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING )) .AND. - (F$SEARCH ("''FILE_SPEC'") .EQS. ""))) $ THEN $ GOTO STA1$GET_ANOTHER_FILE $ ENDIF $ REQUIRED_SIZE == REQUIRED_SIZE + F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES (FILE_SPEC, "EOF" ) + 1 $ NUMBER_OF_FILES == NUMBER_OF_FILES + 1 $ WRITE COPY_COMMAND_FILE "COPY /LOG ", FILE_SPEC, " ", PSEUDO_TARGET $ ENDIF $ GOTO STA1$GET_ANOTHER_FILE $ ! $ STA1$END_COPY: $ CLOSE LIST_OF_FILES $ CLOSE COPY_COMMAND_FILE $ IF CREATING_TAPE_INDEX $ THEN $ CLOSE TAPE_INDEX $ RETURN $ ENDIF $ IF (KIT_NAME .EQS. "PSEUDO" .OR. KIT_NAME .EQS. "DISK_IMAGE") THEN RETUR N $ OPEN /READ COMMAND_FILE COMMAND.FILE $ IF SMALL_CONSOLE $ THEN $ AT_END == TRUE $ CHECK_FOR_VOLUME_SWITCH $ OPEN /READ SWITCH_INFO VOLUME_SWITCH.INFO $ ENDIF $ STA1$GET_ANOTHER: $ READ /END_OF_FILE=STA1$ENDING COMMAND_FILE COMMAND_LINE $ IF SMALL_CONSOLE .AND. (NUM .EQ. 0) $ THEN $ READ SWITCH_INFO NUM $ READ SWITCH_INFO SWITCH_COMMAND $ GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL == "" $ 'SWITCH_COMMAND' $ IF GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL .NES. "" THEN GOTO 'GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL $ ENDIF $ 'COMMAND_LINE' $ IF SMALL_CONSOLE THEN NUM = NUM - 1 $ GOTO STA1$GET_ANOTHER $ STA1$ENDING: $ CLOSE COMMAND_FILE $ RETURN $ ! $ STA1$CHECK_FOR_VOLUME_SWITCH: $ SUBROUTINE $ ! $ ! Calculate the size of the file and decide if we need to switch volumes . $ ! Also determine, by looking in the table, whether to copy using a conti guous $ ! best try, rather than contiguous or fail. $ ! $ ON WARNING THEN EXIT $STATUS $ ON CONTROL_Y THEN EXIT 44 ! SS$ABORT $ IF F$LOCATE ("CBT", FILE_STRING) .NES. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING) THEN CBT = = " 1 99" $ FILE_SIZE == F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES (FILE_SPEC, "EOF") $ IF ((SEPARATE_CONFIG_VOLUME .EQ. TRUE) .AND. - ((FILE_NAME .EQS. "CPULOA.EXE") .OR. (FILE_NAME .EQS. "SYSINIT.EXE") .OR. (FILE_NAME .EQS."STANDCONF.EXE"))) $ THEN $ FILE_SIZE == 0 $ NUM_OF_FILES == 0 $ ENDIF $ SIZE_OF_FILES == SIZE_OF_FILES + FILE_SIZE $ 'ifRX0x' DISK_OVERHEAD == 0 $ IF ((SIZE_OF_FILES + DISK_OVERHEAD + DISK_HEADERS + NUM_OF_FILES) .GT. S IZE_OF_DISK) - .AND. BEFORE_DRIVERS THEN DISK_FULL == TRUE $ ! $ ! If we've hit the NEW_VOLUME string in the table file, and we haven't h ad $ ! to force a switch for the three boot files, then switch volumes for th e $ ! driver volume. $ ! $ IF (.NOT. SEPARATE_CONFIG_VOLUME) .AND. - (F$LOCATE ("NEW_VOLUME", FILE_STRING) .NES. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING)) - THEN DISK_FULL == TRUE $ ! $ ! All the drivers must be on the last volume. CPULOA.EXE, STANDCONF.EXE and $ ! SYSINIT.EXE (alias STASYSGEN.EXE) must all be on the volume just previ ous to $ ! the driver volume. $ ! $ IF (FILE_NAME .EQS. "CPULOA.EXE") THEN CONFIG_FILES == TRUE $ IF DISK_FULL .OR. AT_END $ THEN $ WRITE_TO_SWITCH_FILE: $ VOLUME_COUNT == VOLUME_COUNT + 1 $ IF VOLUME_COUNT .EQ. 1 THEN NUMBER = "first" $ IF VOLUME_COUNT .EQ. 2 THEN NUMBER = "second" $ IF VOLUME_COUNT .EQ. 3 THEN NUMBER = "third" $ IF VOLUME_COUNT .EQ. 4 THEN NUMBER = "fourth" $ IF VOLUME_COUNT .EQ. 5 THEN NUMBER = "fifth" $ IF VOLUME_COUNT .EQ. 6 THEN NUMBER = "sixth" $ IF VOLUME_COUNT .EQ. 7 THEN NUMBER = "seventh" $ IF (NUM_OF_FILES + DISK_HEADERS) .GT. 16 $ THEN $ HEADERS = NUM_OF_FILES + DISK_HEADERS $ ELSE $ HEADERS = 16 $ ENDIF $ OPEN /APPEND SWITCH_INFO VOLUME_SWITCH.INFO $ ! $ ! If we can't fit CPULOA, STANDCONF and SYSINIT on this volume, forc e a $ ! volume switch. This is a special case, because the volume switch $ ! information will be one step ahead of the copy commands in the $ ! temporary work files, so remember that we did this. $ ! $ IF CONFIG_FILES .AND. (CONFIG_FILE_COUNT .LT. 3) $ THEN $ WRITE SWITCH_INFO NUM_OF_FILES - CONFIG_FILE_COUNT $ CONFIG_FILE_COUNT == 0 $ SEPARATE_CONFIG_VOLUME == TRUE $ WRITE SWITCH_INFO "SWITCH_VOLUME ", """", NUMBER," system""", " ""SYSTEM_", VOLUME_COUNT, """ ", HEADERS $ ! $ ! Prepare so that CPULOA, STANDCONF and SYSINIT will go onto the next volume. $ ! Loop again to write out the volume switch information for thos e three files. $ ! $ CONFIG_FILES == FALSE $ DISK_FULL == FALSE $ NUM_OF_FILES == 3 $ FILE_SIZE == 0 $ SIZE_OF_FILES == 0 $ GOTO WRITE_TO_SWITCH_FILE $ ELSE $ WRITE SWITCH_INFO NUM_OF_FILES $ WRITE SWITCH_INFO "SWITCH_VOLUME ", """", NUMBER," system""", " ""SYSTEM_", VOLUME_COUNT, """ ", HEADERS $ ENDIF $ CLOSE SWITCH_INFO $ ! $ ! Clean up flags for next pass. $ ! $ NUM_OF_FILES == 0 $ IF (FILE_NAME .EQS. "STANDCONF.EXE") THEN BEFORE_DRIVERS == FALSE $ SIZE_OF_FILES == FILE_SIZE $ DISK_FULL == FALSE $ ENDIF ! End of full disk calculations. $ NUM_OF_FILES == NUM_OF_FILES + 1 $ IF CONFIG_FILES THEN CONFIG_FILE_COUNT == CONFIG_FILE_COUNT + 1 $ EXIT $ ENDSUBROUTINE ! STA1$CHECK_FOR_VOLUME_SWITCH $ ! $ STA1$PSEUDO_DISK_FINISH: $ ! $ If F$SEARCH("STA$SOURCE:PSEUDOLOA.EXE") .NES. "" $ THEN $ CopyTC STA$SOURCE:PSEUDOLOA.EXE STA$TARGET: $ ELSE $ SAY "Insufficient disk space to create PSEUDOLOA.EXE" $ SAY "...copying directly to target device." $ SET NOON ! Temporary workaround for COPY bug $ ASSIGN/USER NL: SYS$ERROR $ ASSIGN/USER NL: SYS$OUTPUT $ COPY PDA0: STA$TARGET:PSEUDOLOA.EXE $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO TAPE$CLEAN_UP $ ENDIF $ ! $ ! Note: because of a BACKUP problem, EOVMS.NUL must not be $ ! a zero length file. Use a naked copy because the COPYTC $ ! call has problems with sys$input. $ ! $ ! Note that there must be a blank line after this copy. If $ ! a dollar sign is detected, STABACKIT writes an extra tape $ ! mark and the VMS kit duplication program will fail, thinking $ ! it's at the end of the tape volume. $ ! $ COPY /CONTIGUOUS /TRUNCATE SYS$INPUT: STA$TARGET:EOVMS.NUL $ IF F$GETDVI("PDA0:","EXISTS") $ THEN $ IF F$GETDVI ("PDA0:","MNT") THEN DISMOUNT/NOUNLOAD PDA0: $ IF F$GETDVI ("PDA0:","ALL") THEN DEALLOCATE PDA0: $ ENDIF $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO TAPE$CLEAN_UP $ DISMOUNT /NOUNLOAD 'TRG_DEVICE' $ KIT_DONE == TRUE $ TAPE$CLEAN_UP: $ IF F$GETDVI("PDA0:","EXISTS") $ THEN $ IF F$GETDVI ("PDA0:","MNT") THEN DISMOUNT /NOUNLOAD PDA0: $ IF F$GETDVI ("PDA0:","ALL") THEN DEALLOCATE PDA0: $ ENDIF $ ! $ GOTO STA0$CLEAN_UP $ RETURN $ ! $ STA1$DISK_IMAGE_FINISH: $ ! $ IF F$GETDVI ("PDA0:", "EXISTS") $ THEN $ IF F$GETDVI ("PDA0:", "MNT") THEN DISMOUNT/NOUNLOAD PDA0: $ IF F$GETDVI ("PDA0:", "ALL") THEN DEALLOCATE PDA0: $ ENDIF $ IF (CPU_TYPE .EQS. CPU_9AQ) $ THEN $ SAY "" $ SAY "Copying the standalone BACKUP image to the console hard disk." $ SAY "This operation may take as long as 15 minutes." $ SAY "" $ COPY STA$SOURCE:SABKUP.IMA 'TRG_DEVICE'[USERFILES]/LOG $ ENDIF $ KIT_DONE == TRUE $ RETURN $ ! $ STA1$SMALL_CONSOLE_FINISH: $ ! $'trc' CALL STA0$SHOW_DEVICE 'trg_device' 3_system $ ! $ ! If we need to build the application kit, then switch volumes and $ ! copy the application image. $ ! $ IF BUILD_APPL $ THEN $ GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL == "" $ Switch_Volume "application" "''APPL_KIT'" 16 $ IF GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL .NES. "" THEN GOTO 'GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL $ CopySB STA$SOURCE:STA'APPL_KIT'.EXE STA$TARGET:STANDALON.EXE 1 99 9 $ ENDIF $'trc' CALL STA0$SHOW_DEVICE 'trg_device' 4_backup $ KIT_DONE == TRUE $ RETURN $ ! $ STA1$SYSTEM_DISK_FINISH: $ ! $ ! Point <SYSE.SYSCOMMON> to the common system directory. $ ! $ SET FILE /LOG /ENTER='TRG_DEVICE'<SYSE>SYSCOMMON.DIR;1 'CMN_SYS_DIR' $ ! $ ! Since very nasty things can happen if S/A Backup is run on a cluster w ith shadowing, $ ! place a copy of the non-shadowing DUDRIVER on this root with the name of the shadowing $ ! driver. This will ensure that an attempt to boot into a shadowing env ironment will $ ! produce system bugchecks rather than cause serious corruption of disks . (Check for $ ! the existence of some form of DSDRIVER so that we won't use the extra space on µVMS.) $ ! $ IF F$SEARCH ("STA$LDR_SOURCE:DSDRIVER.*") .NES. "" THEN - CopyTC STA$LDR_SOURCE:DUDRIVER.EXE STA$LDR_TARGET:DSDRIVER.EXE $ CopySB STA$SOURCE:STA'APPL_KIT'.EXE STA$TARGET:STANDALON.EXE $ KIT_DONE == TRUE $ RETURN $ ! $ STA1$LARGE_DISK_FINISH: $ @STA$SOURCE:VMS$INSTALL_UPG_DATA.COM $ ISL_VER = F$EXTRACT(3,F$LENGTH(VMS$G_KIT_ID)-3,VMS$G_KIT_ID) $ FILE_SPEC = "ISL_LVAX_''isl_ver'.SYS" $ IF F$SEARCH ("STA$SOURCE:''FILE_SPEC'") .NES. "" THEN GOTO COPY_LVAX $ FILE_SPEC = "ISL_LVAX.SYS" $ IF F$SEARCH ("STA$SOURCE:''FILE_SPEC'") .EQS. "" THEN GOTO ERROR $ COPY_LVAX: $ COPY /TRUNCATE /CONTIGUOUS /LOG STA$SOURCE:'FILE_SPEC' STA$TARGET:ISL_L VAX_'isl_ver'.SYS $ FILE_SPEC = "ISL_SVAX_''isl_ver'.SYS" $ IF F$SEARCH ("STA$SOURCE:''FILE_SPEC'") .NES. "" THEN GOTO COPY_SVAX $ FILE_SPEC = "ISL_SVAX.SYS" $ IF F$SEARCH ("STA$SOURCE:''FILE_SPEC'") .EQS. "" THEN GOTO ERROR $ COPY_SVAX: $ COPY /TRUNCATE /CONTIGUOUS /LOG STA$SOURCE:'FILE_SPEC' STA$TARGET:ISL_S VAX_'isl_ver'.SYS $ ! $ ! Build special ISL file. This files has pointers for the ISL files $ ! that are located in [sysexe]. $ ! $ OPEN /WRITE SCRIPTFILE 'TRG_DEVICE'[000000]ISL_SCRIPT.ESS $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "! ==================================================== ========" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "! [000000]ISL_SCRIPT.ESS" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "! Command file for ''VMS$G_VER_ID' CD, down-line loadi ng from InfoServer." $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "! ==================================================== ========" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "! Format:" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "!" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "! USE MOP file_spec /PAR=mop_id ""identification strin g"" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "!" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "! 1) The character ""!"" denotes a comment" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "!" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "! 2) One command line can be up to 158 characters long " $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "!" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "! 3) One command must be specified on one line" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "!" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "USE MOP [SYS0.SYSEXE]ISL_LVAX_''ISL_VER'.SYS /PAR=ISL_ LVAX_''ISL_VER' ""VMS ''VMS$G_VER_ID' ISL support $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "USE MOP [SYS0.SYSEXE]ISL_SVAX_''ISL_VER'.SYS /PAR=ISL_ SVAX_''ISL_VER' ""VMS ''VMS$G_VER_ID' ISL support $ CLOSE SCRIPTFILE $ GOTO END_ISL $ ERROR: $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "CAN'T FIND FILE STA$SOURCE:''FILE_SPEC'" $ END_ISL: $ ! $ ! Write a boot block, only necessary for VAX-11/750 kit and VAX-11/8200 kit. $ ! $ IF ( F$SEARCH ("STA$TARGET:VMB.EXE") .NES. "") - .OR. F$SEARCH ("SYS$SYSTEM:WRITEBOOT.EXE") .NES. "") $ THEN $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:WRITEBOOT STA$TARGET:VMB.EXE 1 200 $ ENDIF $ ! $ ! Copy the application image $ ! $ STA2$COPY_APPL_FILE: $ CopySB STA$SOURCE:STA'APPL_KIT'.EXE STA$TARGET:STANDALON.EXE $ ! $ KIT_DONE == TRUE $ RETURN $ ! $ STA0$OPEN_INDEX: $ SUBROUTINE $ ! $ ! This subroutine will be called once for each file that goes to $ ! tape. It creates the file information in OPEN_INDEX.DAT to $ ! speed tape booting. $ ! $ ON CONTROL_Y THEN EXIT 44 ! SS$_ABORT $ ON WARNING THEN EXIT $STATUS $ SIZE = 'F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES (P1, "EOF") $ TAPE_POSITION == TAPE_POSITION + SIZE + 11 !11 BLOCKS TAPEHEADER /TAPEMA RK OVERHEAD $ FILE_NAME = F$PARSE (P1,,,"NAME") + F$PARSE (P1,,,"TYPE") $ LENGTH = 'F$LENGTH (FILE_NAME) $ OPEN/APPEND TMP OPEN_INDEX.MAR $ WRITE TMP " .PSECT NOEXE,PAGE" $ WRITE TMP " .LONG ''LENGTH' $ WRITE TMP " .ASCII /''FILE_NAME'/ $ WRITE TMP " .ALIGN LONG" $ WRITE TMP " .LONG ''SIZE' $ WRITE TMP " .LONG ''TAPE_POSITION' $ CLOSE TMP $ EXIT $ ENDSUBROUTINE ! STA0$OPEN_INDEX $ ! $ $ $ $

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Looking for VMS 5.2 "Mandatory Update" Install Save Set

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi All: The title says it all. I've installed VMS 5.2 from 4 RL02s and now the installation procedure wants me to load the "mandatory update" volume. Anyone have one kicking around? I'm not stuck on RL02 format, a TK50/70, 9 track, or even an emailed copy would be fine! Kevin --- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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Installing VMS from RL02s

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi All: I have acquired 4 RL02 packs with the VMS 5.2 distribution on them. The first one boots into standalone backup (>>> B DLA0) but I need to know how to start the installation procedure. I have some very basic docs on standalone backup, but a simple BACKUP DLA0: DUA0: fails with a couple of "device not mounted" errors. There's apparently a save set called VMS052.B on the first drive this filename is reported in the two "device not mounted" errors. BACKUP DLA0:VMS052.B DUA0: also fails as the /IMAGE qualifier is being assumed by the standalone backup utility, and of course /IMAGE requires only a device name. Any help appreciated! Kevin -- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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Subscribing and unsubscribing (was Re: Quick question)

by scott＠isd.canberra.edu.au

At 19:26 1/04/98 -0600, Doug Yowza (yowza(a)yowza.com) wrote: >On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Scott McLauchlan wrote: > >> No it shouldn't. Listproc pulls the e-mail address from the header of the >> subscription request, but it gets the subscribers name from the body. >> "Your Name" should be your *real* name (eg. "Sam Ismail", "Scott >> McLauchlan", "Bill Gates"). (Oh, and leave out the double quotes.) > >Hmm, I thought listproc would take the email address from the header if >you only specify "subscribe classiccmp", but you can optionally include a >different email address (e.g., "subscribe classiccmp joe(a)foo.com"), and >the list maintainer can optionally refuse to accept the fully qualified >subscribe command. [Glances up at X-Listprocessor-Version: header..."8.1 beta". Hmmm] Not exactly. Before version 8.1, if you only specified "subscribe classiccmp" you would get an error message, and if you said "subscribe classiccmp joe(a)foo.com" it would subscribe you at the address you sent the request from, and assume your real name was joe(a)foo.com. Depending on how the list is set up, "subscribe classiccmp" will work on version 8.1 and later, however, I'm pretty sure there still is no way to subscribe using an address different from the one you are sending the request from. >In any case, from the ClassicCmp FAQ (temporarily housed at >http://www.yowza.com/classiccmp/faq.txt): [Snip] >SUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address > > Subscribes you to the list. > >UNSUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address > > Removes you from the list.

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Quick question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 2, 11:05, Scott McLauchlan wrote: > At 16:05 1/04/98 -0800, Sam Ismail (dastar(a)wco.com) wrote: > > >Just to clarify... > > > >> Send a message to listproc(a)u.washington.edu with no subject and a > >> message with only the line: > >> > >> subscribe classiccmp Your Name > > ^^^^^^^^^ should be yourlogin(a)yourdomain.com > > No it shouldn't. Listproc pulls the e-mail address from the header of the > subscription request, but it gets the subscribers name from the body. > "Your Name" should be your *real* name (eg. "Sam Ismail", "Scott > McLauchlan", "Bill Gates"). (Oh, and leave out the double quotes.) No, Sam is correct. Here's an extract from the confirmation message I got when I subscribed a while ago -- the message body was SUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- NAQ (Never Asked Questions) 0.1 How do I subscribe? Subscribing to this list is slightly more challenging than most. Read the instructions below. 1. Send a message to listproc(a)u.washington.edu with the line subscribe CLASSICCMP your-address in the body of the message. 2. Send a message to bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu introducing yourself and explaining why you wish to be added to the list. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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TRS-80 manuals

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Picked up the following Manuals: (2) User's Manual for Level 1 -- TRS-80 Micro Computer System Line Printer VIII Level II Basic Reference Manual They're available if anyone is interested. ($1 apiece, plus shipping.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Daniel Seagraves' 50k post

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Speaking of which, when did mailbombing first start? Were generals in the Pentagon bombing each other over ARPANet? >On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Pete Joules wrote: > >> Does a 50k script with no comment count as mailbombing the list >> or am I missing the point somewhere? >> >> Regards >> Pete >> >> > >Nah! He's just elated!!! > - don > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Quick question

by scott＠isd.canberra.edu.au

Dear All, At 16:05 1/04/98 -0800, Sam Ismail (dastar(a)wco.com) wrote: >Just to clarify... > >> Send a message to listproc(a)u.washington.edu with no subject and a >> message with only the line: >> >> subscribe classiccmp Your Name > ^^^^^^^^^ should be yourlogin(a)yourdomain.com No it shouldn't. Listproc pulls the e-mail address from the header of the subscription request, but it gets the subscribers name from the body. "Your Name" should be your *real* name (eg. "Sam Ismail", "Scott McLauchlan", "Bill Gates"). (Oh, and leave out the double quotes.) Regards, | Scott McLauchlan |"Sometimes the need to mess with their heads | | Client Services Division| outweighs the millstone of humiliation." | | University of Canberra |___________Fox_Mulder_"The_X-Files:_Squeeze"_| |scott(a)cts.canberra.edu.au| http://www.canberra.edu.au/~scott/home.html |

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Archiving docs

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-04-01 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :Have you actually checked this? GIF's do compress well, and you are :correct on loseless... but if you are just GIFfing the scans, they :do *not* compress well. GIFs are just RLE compressed (That's Run :Length Encoding for all you non-gfx types out there) and if you no they aren't - they use a form of lempel-ziv compression, which is why they tend to compress anything pretty well. they aren't much good on photos, but anything with a small range of colours is meat to the grist. -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...

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Old Data

by chemif＠mbox.queen.it

At 00:56 01/04/98 -0800, you wrote: > I have had an instance of this recently. At work a tape drive attached to a > PC and which takes the same size casettes as my Sun386i is about to become > redundant. The an accounts clerk in the department concerned has said that > I will not be able to have the _drive_ because it has been used for > confidential data. The fact that the data is on the _tapes_ seems to > reflect on the availability of the drive! He, he,...so they would do the same also with keyboards: They have been used for confidential data, no? Ciao! ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? Riccardo Romagnoli,collector of:CLASSIC COMPUTERS,TELETYPE UNITS,PHONE ? ? AND PHONECARDS I-47100 Forli'/Emilia-Romagna/Food Valley/ITALY ? ? Pager:DTMF PHONES=+39/16888(hear msg.and BEEP then 5130274*YOUR TEL.No.* ? ? where*=asterisk key | help visit http://www.tim.it/tldrin_eg/tlde03.html ? ? e-mail=chemif(a)mbox.queen.it ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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RS 102

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

Same here. I'd be interested if any of those 102's become available. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk > [SMTP:Philip.Belben@powertech.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 11:15 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re[2]: RS 102 > > David wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/1/98 9:57:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: > > > > < portable > > computers. None have been tested and there are no power supplies > with them. > > Does anyone know what voltage and polarity the external power > connector > > uses? And if there is any kind of self-test built-in? Can anyone > give me an > > idea of what these are worth? >> > > > > shoot, i'd love to have another tandy 102! my ac adaptor for my 102 > says 6v dc > > at 400 ma > > I'd love to have one at all! > > Seriously, Joe, if you get a box full, will you be putting some up for > > sale? > > > according to the little drawing on the adaptor, the inner part of > the plug is > > negative. outer part is positive. not sure what they're worth, but i > bought > > That's all I'd need to know. I am quite used to building PSUs on such > a > spec. Or less. (Actually I'd look inside to see whether it needs to > be > regulated, but 6V seldom does). > > > mine with the accompanying battery operated cassette recorder and > owner's > > manual for $25. would love to find the external floppy for it. > > The model 100 I've seen for 100 or more UK pounds over here. I don't > know what additional features were in the 102; I also don't think I > could afford L100. But I'd probably pay $50 US including shipping for > a > model 102 without power supply. > > Philip. > > PS I'm back from Taiwan at last. Taiwan really is the most unhackish > > place I've been on my travels... But more to the point, I've missed > most of the last 3 weeks on Classiccmp, so I may be ignorant of the > context on some longer-running threads. Please forgive any silly > questions that may arise...

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RS 102

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I have a chance to buy a box full of Radio Shack model 102 portable computers. None have been tested and there are no power supplies with them. Does anyone know what voltage and polarity the external power connector uses? And if there is any kind of self-test built-in? Can anyone give me an idea of what these are worth? Joe

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Installing VMS from RL02s

by peacock＠simconv.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel A. Seagraves [mailto:DSEAGRAV@toad.xkl.com] > > [Tell us what's IN stabackit.com!] Stabackit will build a bootable version of standalone backup on the target device. You can boot from the device and then restore backup tapes to new disks. Jack Peacock

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Installing VMS from RL02s

by peacock＠simconv.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel A. Seagraves [mailto:DSEAGRAV@toad.xkl.com] > [VMS standalone backup] > How do you MAKE one of those? I have an RZ23 making increase > amounts of noise, > and I'd like to back it up. Log in as SYSTEM, then.... $ SET DEF SYS$UPDATE $ @STABACKIT follow the prompts, give it the name of the disk or tape device where you want the standalone built. BTW this only works for VAXes, not Alphas. Jack Peacock

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Hard disk trouble?

by pjoules＠enterprise.net

My (just on topic) Sun 386i seems to have died. I could hear the hard drive seeking continuously so I tried to login as root to shut it down and it hung. I stopped it with L1 + A and then rebooted. part way through the boot process it simply scrolled the following error message: sd2a: read retry blk 6728 (abs blk 6728) sense key (0x04): hardware error error code (0x09): servo error [repeated 3 times] sd2: rezero failed Does this mean that the hard drive ( the standard CDC Wren IV 340Mb ) has finally turned up its toes? TIA Pete

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Special book find today

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

In my library of recent finds, along the same lines... Apple Interfacing Microcomputer - Alalog COnverter Software & Hardware Interfacing Interfacing & scientific data communications experiments Microcomputer interfacing with the 8255 PPI chip Interfacing to S-100 / IEEE 696 microcommputers They're all quite fascinating. Cheers A -----Original Message----- From: The Adept <adept(a)mcs.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 10:27 AM Subject: Special book find today >A friend I work with donated the following book to my collection today: > VIC-20 Interfacing Blue Book, by V.J. Georgiou >

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RL02 Positioning Question.

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Here's a possibly stupid question... I may have mentioned it earlier, but I got a copy of PDPXASM and I'm playing with it. Just pitching code at the 11/83 to see what I can make it do... Anyway, I'm playing with telling the RL02 what to do. Push the head around, write things, etc... Anyway, Is there a way to, given the the sector number, figure the head/cylinder/sector? Also, is there some mechanism to keep me from screwing up and sending the heads below track 0 or past 512? By the figuring CHS question, I mean this: I want to make a single routine I can call to position the head whereever and dump a sector to disk, but I don't want to have to know the disk geometry to do it. I pass to it a unit number, RAM start address, and a sector number. Now how do I divide the sector number to get the C/H/S? And I don't want to have to use floating-point to do it... -------

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Old Data

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 04:39 AM 4/1/98 GMT, you wrote: >>The way I see it, if they want to make sure the data doesn't get out, they >>need to delete files. Some days I can't even think straight... What I meant to convey is that people should take responsibility for their data. If they care, they should do something about it (even if it means calling the neighborhood guru.) However, not doing that doesn't give anyone the right to turn around and use that information... If I don't pull my shades, you don't have the right to make a porno (horror?) movie of it. But, if I care about anyone seeing my fat carcass, I should pull down my shades. I do agree with the idea that we, as collectors, should hold ourselves to a higher standard. If we want folks to continue to pass machines our way, we need to make sure they feel comfortable about doing it. (Just as I wouldn't look up what drugs someone is getting from Long's, or what medical problems someone had when I was working with Aetna Health Plans; I want them to feel comfortable hiring me again in the future.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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RS 102

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/1/98 9:57:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: << I have a chance to buy a box full of Radio Shack model 102 portable computers. None have been tested and there are no power supplies with them. Does anyone know what voltage and polarity the external power connector uses? And if there is any kind of self-test built-in? Can anyone give me an idea of what these are worth? >> shoot, i'd love to have another tandy 102! my ac adaptor for my 102 says 6v dc at 400 ma according to the little drawing on the adaptor, the inner part of the plug is negative. outer part is positive. not sure what they're worth, but i bought mine with the accompanying battery operated cassette recorder and owner's manual for $25. would love to find the external floppy for it. david

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LEading Edge

by allisonp＠world.std.com

So happens my XT is a Leading Edge model D. It's a good solid and slow system but it works so well and is small. I got mine from the first owner who bought it new when it first came out. Prints for it would be nice. Hacks (plugins) applied to it over the years: Used the basics disk controller that is on the mother board to run a 720k 3.5" and 360k floppies. Installed a 1.44/2.88 floppy adaptor so I can run 1.44 floppies. Installed 1002 HDC and st251 V20 (to run 8080 software) My Inboard386pc was in that one for a while. The machine is useful for many things as its so basic and clean clone. Allison

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Lobotomies... (was: Re: available bits)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<PAIA used to sell 6803 boards. (guess it depends on your definition of <machine.) <Did anyone ever get one of those? I guess they were mostly for music, bu <I always wanted one. The ads in the magazines always intrigued me. PAIA used 650x processors not 680x (that I know of). Allison

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ANyone have DHV11 docs?

by peacock＠simconv.com

> From: Daniel A. Seagraves [mailto:DSEAGRAV@toad.xkl.com] > Subject: ANyone have DHV11 docs? > > Anyone have docs for the DHV11? Does it emulate a DH11? > (It's the Q-bus 8-line MUX) > I'd like to figure out how to tell mine what to do... > ------- I might have a DHV11 manual around, I'll have to check. I do have a board in an old uVAX II. Do you need anything in particular? Like the CSR and interrupt switch settings? As I recall, the Q-bus DHV isn't quite the same as a the Unibus DH11, but it does use DMA, much faster than a DZQ11. The DHV11 uses floating CSRs, do you know how to set them? (I assume you are going to use VMS) Jack Peacock

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LEading Edge

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

If anyone has need for Leading Edge parts, software, etc you can obtain what you need at http://www.primenet.com/~fwagner/le/leading_edge.html since Leading Edge is out of business and no longer supporting anything. Throw this in your bookmarks for later reference. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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terminals -update

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

Here's an update for any interested parties: HP 700/44's - all three are sold Visual 102 w/keyboard - sold VT220 w/o keyboard - sold VT100 without keyboard - still available, $5 plus the shipping costs via UPS or USPS parcel post. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

28 years, 2 months

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Lobotomies... (was: Re: available bits)

by KFergason＠aol.com

In a message dated 3/31/98 11:15:26 PM Central Standard Time, zmerch(a)northernway.net writes: > If anyone has a lobotomized Tandy MC-10 (Micro Color Computer), it used the > MC6803 for it's brain... It's the only classic machine that I know of that > used this processor as the primary CPU. > PAIA used to sell 6803 boards. (guess it depends on your definition of machine.) Did anyone ever get one of those? I guess they were mostly for music, but I always wanted one. The ads in the magazines always intrigued me. I wonder if they exist today. Kelly (reminiscing)

28 years, 2 months

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available bits

by allisonp＠world.std.com

I have the following for those interested: Two 19mb and a 10 mb Computer Memories hard disks 5.25" full height all have very bad stiction and and two are bad... Why would anyone want these? The logics are good and they have a R6522 and MC6803P in sockets. The 6803 is a 6800 with a few enhancements like internal ram, timer, serial and parallel IO and also bus for external program rom and ram. Or maybe someone would want to see the inside of a hard disk. If interested contact me. Allison

28 years, 2 months

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Old Data

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 05:58 PM 3/30/98 -0800, you wrote: >I'm curious to know how people deal with old data found on systems >they rescue/restore. The question was put in my mind recently by The way I see it, if they want to make sure the data doesn't get out, they need to delete files. But, I wouldn't take someone's personal spreadsheet of their monthly finances and post it on the 'net, either. What I've done in the past is look at it, and then generally delete it. Why? Because it's generally boring as hell. Now, if I came across some Hubble stuff, and I knew how to use it/what it meant, I'd probably hang on to that. But only for my own personal use/interest. As I see it, when someone gives you a computer with data on it, they're giving you the data as well. However, they're not giving you license to sell that data to the Weekly World News. I'm working with Long's Drugs, a chain of pharmacies on the west coast. If I poked around in the store databases and told you that, say, Grace Hopper was taking birth control pills, that would definitely be an invasion of privacy. (and would likely get me thrown in jail.) However, there's nothing wrong with telling you that there are 13 women who go to the Serramonte store to get birth control pills. Same thing with e-mail, word processing documents, spreadsheets and the like. If your buddy Joe gives you his old computer, you should go poking around his old e-mail or wp files. If, however, you get a computer from company x that was used by employee y that you don't know, the data is only statistical. I think generally, it's a moot point because it's usually too uninteresting to keep around. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Old Data

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 "Seth J. Morabito" <sethm(a)loomcom.com> wrote: ] I'm curious to know how people deal with old data found on systems ] they rescue/restore. As one facet of this, we might consider what people would do with their old systems, if they even got the *impression* that their private information might be read by a new owner. They might prefer to totally destroy the machine than to take a risk like that. In this respect, the actions of each collector impinges on all of us; it may take only one publicized breach of privacy to reroute a lot of old boxes to trash compactors that would have otherwise gone to collectors. It wouldn't even matter whether it was someone's personal love letters or a company's records. The impact would be the same. With this in mind, I suggest we adopt the common policy of wiping everything but obvious system software and such. There will always be the practical matter of determining which is which, but it seems best for all concerned to religiously respect privacy, irrespective of whether it is that of an individual or an organization. Cheers, Bill.

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Hard card manuals

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

You forgot the traditional motivator: "...or it goes in the dumpster". Bill. On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bbtel.com> wrote: ] I have the full documentation package for the Plus+ HardCard 20 which ] ... ] ] If anyone thinks they can use these in the US I'd take $5 for the ] package which basically covers me shoving it in an envelope and mailing ] it to you. Drop me a note, first come first served.

28 years, 2 months

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Special book find today

by adept＠mcs.com

A friend I work with donated the following book to my collection today: VIC-20 Interfacing Blue Book, by V.J. Georgiou Anyone seen this before? It is an incredibly neat book on hardware projects for the VIC-20, including such things as Liquid Level Sensor, ram expansion cards, eprom programmer for micromon, ring detector and lots more. It is overall a superb text. If you would like more info, let me know. I'm not interested in getting rid of the book but would be willing to share via scans or photocopies. ;) Cheers, Dan

28 years, 2 months

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Kaypro: 81-149C vs. 81-232

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I could have sworn the UK field servoids carried a normal 99MP kit with <the Bristol Spline keys. No idea why as I've _never_ found such a screw <in a DEC machine (although didn't the PDP1 have a Friden Flexowriter as <the console ;-)). No it didn't have splines in the kit. The only recent product that required them was the LN01 xerographic printer, that used a bunch of different keys. Allison

28 years, 2 months

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Xenix and Intel 5.25" disks

by bmpete＠swbell.net

I have had some disks for a long time and would like to give them to someone who has a need, a use, or even a clue as to what they are. Three have hand-written labels 1: XYLOGICS 450 XENIX DRIVER 503-450-405 tar cvbf 20 /dev/rdvfo DCM 7/86 2: XYLOGICS 450 XENIX utility 503-450-405 tar cvbf 20 /dev/rdvfo DCM 7/86 3: XYLOGICS 472 XENIX DRIVER 503-472-405 tar cvbf 20 /dev/rdvfo DCM 7/86 I can't do anything with them on a PC, Norton won't let me see a thing. I can see the sectors with my TI-99; #1 might not have valid data, but 2 and 3 do. The second line of the labels might be 905 instead of 405 and rdvf0 instead of rdvfo. There may be nothing useful on the disks, but... The other disks are original (not too fancy) Intel disks: 4: SYP 286/300 DIAGNOSTICS 19 MB, #1A DS/DD IRMX 86 FORMAT, 48TPI PART NO. 174133-001 (c) 1982, 1983 INTEL CORP. May not be copied without a license. Refer to price list for copying fees. #5, #6, #7 and #8 are identical except for the disk# and the part#: 5: #1B, PART NO. 174134-001 6: #2A, PART NO. 174135-001 7: #2B, PART NO. 174136-001 8: #2C, PART NO. 174356-001 If you want them, send an address, if they're not notable, I'll reformat them. All, with the possible exception of #1, all have data of some kind. _______________ Barry Peterson bmpete(a)swbell.net Husband to Diane, Father to Doug, Grandfather to Zoe and Tegan.

28 years, 2 months

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Old Data

by DiesIrrae＠aol.com

I have aquired many computers with old data on it. My theory is, "I won't see this guy again so I'll read his stuff anyway." I know it breaks his privacy, but it is not like I am going to start e-mailing all his friends, that would just be a waste of time. Any games or programs that I should not own (i.e. sensative material or beta's of software) I keep only because of the novelty. Those are my two cents, -Enrique!

28 years, 2 months

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Linux problems (way off-topic)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I know this is not on topic, but I thought you guys could help. I recently installed Red Hat 3.0.3 (release, not kernel version) on my computer. It runs great and I am satisfied, but some games and programs can't seem to find certain libraries, though the libraries are there and in the right place. An example is "Unable to load 'blablabla' ; Exec Format Error" or "Unable to load 'blablabla' file not found". Keep in mind that all of this was on the Red Hat cdrom, so I doubt it's the wrong format. I also tried replacing the libraries with ones that I have used before and they worked. This did not help either. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

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Weekend haul

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Some of this will be come available: This weekend I came into a real pile of stuff I classify as I would ahve liked to own it if I could have affforded it when new. 2 California Computer systems 2200 boxen both with external 8" floppies and one with an 8" hard drive (DISCUS). About 50-60 boxes of 8" floppies 33 of which are CPMUG and SIGM archives. Plus Docs, docs, docs. These seems to be intact and I expect they work buyt haven't powered them yet. 3 Visual 1050s, a pizza box with two floppies, detached keyboard and monitor on top. Two have hard disk boxes on the side. Also docs out the ears. Also a mountain of disks. All three work. Of the document excesses in the pile I must have 5 sets maybe more of DRI CP/M-80 and some CP/M+ docs plus redundant copies of wordstar, multiplan, Cbasic, and some DRI graphics tools. It filled the back of my toyota pickup and the cab. My current task is to inventory what I have. Allison

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Weekend haul

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Speaking of CCS stuff, there's an electronics store near me with a <couple of NOS RAM boards (4K and 16K S-100 boards, with docs, never <used, etc.) I'd be happy to pick them up for anyone. Oh yeah, the 4K <is $255, and the 16K is $415. I've tried to talk them down a few miles, They are out of their minds! Those are 1978 new prices and by '82 64k of static ram was less! The northstar cards were worth less. In 78 I bought seals 8kx8 for $299 new! Allison

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Kaypro: 81-149C vs. 81-232

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 29, 6:04, Doug Spence wrote: > On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Tony Duell wrote: > > > > At the back of the main circuit board, just in front of where the ribbon > > > cable connects to it, there is a 14-pin chip with a label "1F" beside it. > > > In drive A, there is an empty 16-pin socket beside it, with "2F" written > > > on the circuit board beside it. Drive B has something IN this socket - a > > > BLUE 16-pin chip. > > > > Sounds a little like a Tandon drive, although those normally had the > > jumper in location 1E (or at least the schematics I have show it there). > > I believe it is a Tandon drive. > > I am unable to view the main circuit boards of the drives because they're > in a metal box, but if 1E is directly in front of 2E, then yes, I believe > I'll find the jumpers there. I've found labeled photographs of a Tandon > drive in an old issue of 80 Micro. It does sound like a Tandom TM100 (or of that series, anywy). I've got the manual, too. > > Allen hex - a true hexagonal tip, which come in inch and metric sizes > > This is the one I need. Possibly in metric sizes as none of the imperial > ones I have fit. Much more likely to be Imperial, on American equipment. Some sets go up in bigger steps than others, though; perhaps the one you need is just "missing". I have a few sets like that :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Hard card manuals

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

I have the full documentation package for the Plus+ HardCard 20 which includes the Installation and Refernce Manual, 80286 Upgrade Kit Manual, Warranty and Service-US booklet and preliminary notes for the 286 upgrade booklet. If anyone thinks they can use these in the US I'd take $5 for the package which basically covers me shoving it in an envelope and mailing it to you. Drop me a note, first come first served. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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PC to S/34, 36 or 38 Set FS/Trade

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

[Repeat posting] I have a new, in the box, AST-5251/11 setup that allows a PC to communicate with an IBM 34/36/38 mainframe (?). It includes a thick manual, 5.25" and 8" floppies, twinaxial to adapter card cable w/tee, and the adapter card for an ISA slot. Still with the original overbox that shows all the features of this beauty. The box states that the card is an 8 bit, DMA selectable for PC/XT/AT, selectable interupt channel, on board high speed 8X305 processor, 5251-11/5291 or 5291-1 display terminal emulation, host addressable 5256 printer support on the PC's printer, concurrent host and PC sessions with hot key assist, bidirectional file transfers, and more. This is the enhanced version. I have no use for this and many of you are into connection to mainframes and minis, so make me an offer, whether it be cash or trade for PC compatible items. Also have a big box full of S/36 5.25" disks and manuals. Will post those as soon as I go through and inventory them. Email a reply direct to me, please. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Mac 512k System FS/trade

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

In addition to the previous Apple/Mac items message, I also have the following fine machine for sale or trade: --MAC 512k system which includes cpu/monitor unit with original 400k internal floppy, enhanced keyboard, mouse, printer, manuals, software and applicable cables. The unit was owned by a friend of mine since new and only needs a repair or replace of the floppy drive as it's getting old and sometimes doesn't read the disk, does other times. Great condition otherwise. Entire set $75.00 plus shipping or will consider trades of other PC compatible parts. I'll also include text on upgrading RAM to 1mb using common DRAMs piggybacked. Contact me if interested by direct reply... -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

28 years, 2 months

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Apple Items FS/Trade

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

Still have available: * SIMMS - 30 pin 1 mb non parity for Apple and Macs that utilize 30 pin SIMMs, not SIPPs or DRAMs. I have 8 of these. Seimens type with 5 large chips and two small chips. Asking $10.00 (shipped) for the set or even swap for 8 PC compatible 1mb 30 pin type. EMAIL directly to me for more info... -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

28 years, 2 months

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Archiving docs

by jfoust＠threedee.com

"Doug Coward" <dcoward(a)pressstart.com> wrote: > I would like hear from anyone that has done any archiving of their >classic computer documents and manuals. I agree with Aaron Finney's suggestions about using B/W "line art" mode when possible, and the advantages of a 600 dpi laser printer as opposed to 300 dpi. Also tinker with the JPEG compression settings, you may be surprised how much space that will save, and how little it will affect the images. Reload the saved images to examine the loss. Yesterday I noticed that the latest version of an image thumbnailing utility, ThumbsPlus, can save HTML versions of the thumbnailed pages. This may be a very good way to organize your images for the CD: it would make an HTML page, viewable in any browser, that showed all the thumbnail versions of the images, and you could click on any one to enlarge it. See <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~itda/frames.html> where two fellows have laboriously scanned, OCRed and converted to Adobe Acrobat PDF files several documents including the Shugart SA-800 floppy service manuals and several Terak docs. An 18-page service manual with three-four pages of images is 262K. I plan to archive the ASR-33 service manuals and other Terak docs. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

28 years, 2 months

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Old Data

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> I'm curious to know how people deal with old data found on systems <> they rescue/restore. The question was put in my mind recently by <> my acquisition of a MicroVAX 3800, with three intact disks overflowing <> with data that had apparently never been erased. This is something I've dealt with many times. Generally I try to preserve any software and delete data. Right now to give an idea, I aquired over 60 boxes of 8" disks with both. I will not go into the several hundred 5" disks and handful hard disks. I treat it as simply this, if I read it and it's not software I forget it. I have other things to do mostly. Allison

28 years, 2 months

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Archiving docs

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

> I'm currently using a UMAX 300P that claims a maximum 24 bit color > resolution of 300x600 dpi. I'm scanning into Photoshop4 and saving > in JPEG format. I'm trying to save as much information as I can, so > pages that have any color besides black and white, I'm scanning > at 299 (that's the max for color) dpi in RGB and and everything else in > 299 dpi grayscale. I'm averaging, for 8.5 x 11 pages, about 5.3 Mb > for color and 2.1 Mb for grayscale. Just last weekend I burned > my first CD of docs consisting of 26 color pages and 170 B/W > pages for a total of 454 Mb.( I didn't fill the CD bcause I was anxious > to try printing the files at work.) > I printed two of the highest detailed B/W pages (schematics) today > at 400 dpi. The results were disappointing. All of the fine details were > lost. I assume I need to use a higher resolution for printing. I also have > quite a bit of background clutter on the printed page. I'm having no > problems seeing the smallest details when I magnify the pages in > Photoshop. There's not much point in printing at a higher resolution than the scan. I'm not familiar with the Umax 300P. Is that 300x600 intrinsic resolution, or interpolated? You almost certainly want any interpolation or dithering turned off, because it will de-sharpen the image. There's also not much point in using grayscale unless you're scanning photos; if the text is B/W, scan in B/W. It saves a lot of memory/filespace, and has a better chance of losing the background clutter. That's why photographers copy documents with very high contrast "line" film, which basically comes out black and white with no shades in between. You'll probably want to retouch the images to get best results (obliterate any remaining clutter, and/or fill in any missing pixels), and you may need to adjust the scanner's contrast or intensity setting(s) to get best results. The optimum settings will probably vary slightly between documents. Also, don't use JPEG compression, unless you're only compressing by relatively small amounts. JPEG is a lossy compression system; the compressed-and-then- expanded image is not the same as the original; detail *is* lost. GIF or TIFF is better. All this is a bit general, but is based on my own experience. Once upon a time I was a photographer (for a printing business) and I use a small desk scanner myself, for faxes and assorted images. More often than not, I end up either retouching the images, or rescanning with different settings, and quite often pass them through image enhancement software afterwards. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

28 years, 2 months

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ANyone have DHV11 docs?

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi Daniel, sorry for the last one, copied the wrong filename. the right is: ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/hardware/ dhv11.config cheers, emanuel ---------- > From: Daniel A. Seagraves <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: ANyone have DHV11 docs? > Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 4:36 PM > > Anyone have docs for the DHV11? Does it emulate a DH11? > (It's the Q-bus 8-line MUX) > I'd like to figure out how to tell mine what to do... > -------

28 years, 2 months

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ANyone have DHV11 docs?

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi Daniel ... have a look at: ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/hardware/ DLVJ1.info cheers, emanuel ---------- > From: Daniel A. Seagraves <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: ANyone have DHV11 docs? > Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 4:36 PM > > Anyone have docs for the DHV11? Does it emulate a DH11? > (It's the Q-bus 8-line MUX) > I'd like to figure out how to tell mine what to do... > -------

28 years, 2 months

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S100 machines on view

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

I've added a new page to my Weird Computing Machines site. The page shows my two S100 machines. I invite you to visit, as these really are quite fascinating computers - especially the first!! http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/weird/ Please select "S100 bus" on the menu to view them. Lots of software and documentation came with these machines - its a bit of a dilemma... I'd love to get it all running again, but have neither time nor space. They are destined to spend their time "looking pretty" for some time to come. Enjoy! Cheers A

28 years, 2 months

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FS: Vaxen 3100s

by higginbo＠netpath.net

Hi guys. I dropped off the list a few weeks back, too much for me to keep up with I guess, what with subscribing to three red hat linux lists. (avg. 300 messages a day total) Anyway, I've got three Digital VAXStation 3100's up for grabs at www.haggle.com and thought you might be interested. I also have one HP 68030 workstation if anyone is interested. http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?id=201560664 http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?id=201560663 http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?id=201560662 Bidding started at a penny, auctions end April 4th, only have one bid on one of them. I think they'll go cheap. Check the descriptions at the URLs for details.

28 years, 2 months

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Old Data

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 30, 17:58, Seth J. Morabito wrote: > Subject: Old Data > I have a moral and ethical question to throw open for debate. No, > I'm not looking for flames, just informed opinions. I'm not sure how "informed" my opinion is but you're welcome to it anyway. > I'm curious to know how people deal with old data found on systems > they rescue/restore. The question was put in my mind recently by > my acquisition of a MicroVAX 3800, with three intact disks overflowing > with data that had apparently never been erased. In Britain (and the rest of Europe) the Data Protection Act is supposed to cover anything that could be considered "personal data", ie relating to a person or persons, and data that can identify a person is particularly protected. Nonetheless, leaks occur. > If it had been user data, personal mail, and so forth, I would have > simply deleted it, no questions asked. I'd do the same; in fact, I have done. > But unfortunately, it's _not_ that simple. [snip] > I've since simply re-initialized the drives: My thinking was, "This > data is not mine, I have no right to keep it. It may be sensitive, > even though I don't understand it. A few years ago, I was given a big Fujitsu SMD drive and controller. I only really wanted the drive, so I hooked it up to a different controller (different format). I was very surprised to find it was not only readable, but full of a certain very well known insurance company's head office records, including a lot of stuff that I'm sure was commercially sensitive. I just reformatted the drive. I've since had exactly the situation you describe with three RZ23s. One had VMS, the other two had an assortment of what looked like someone's office files. I wanted two for a unix box, so I reformatted them fairly promptly without even bothering to see what the files really were. I kept the VMS one for a while in case it was useful, but when I finally got my MicroVax, it had all the drive space I needed, so eventually the last one got wiped too. I've had this happen so often that I've almost given up looking to see what's on drives; it's hardly ever useful or interesting. I used to keep useful software, but I wouldn't read personal files. Somehow theft (copyrighted software) doesn't seem quite as morally objectionable as peeping. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

28 years, 2 months

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ANyone have DHV11 docs?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 30, 16:25, Daniel A. Seagraves wrote: > Subject: RE: ANyone have DHV11 docs? > [DHV11] > No, I awnt CSRs and programming info. It's in a PDP-11, and I'm playing > with code outside of an O/S: (Read: depositing things in RAM and > playing with things that way. No OS involved) I've got the DHV11 manual somewhere in this huge pile of ring binders on the floor... If you have any specific questions I can look them up, but I seem to remember it's fairly similar to a DH11. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

28 years, 2 months

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ANyone have DHV11 docs?

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Anyone have docs for the DHV11? Does it emulate a DH11? (It's the Q-bus 8-line MUX) I'd like to figure out how to tell mine what to do... -------

28 years, 2 months

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Modem tester FS/Trade

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

The modem tester has been claimed. Thanks to anyone that maight have been interested. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

28 years, 2 months

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ft 60 tape streamer

by 113172.1411＠compuserve.com

hello have been trying to find out about this piece of hardware for some time and eventually tracked this site i have in my posssession a virtually new ft60 and have some of the software but no board --- as an ex service engineer that is now blind I cant bear to throw it away someone talk to me and its theirs for the postage david yerbury

28 years, 2 months

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CORE MEMORY FOR 11/34

by paulb＠nuvision3d.com

I have two core memory boards that I took out of an 11/34 back around 1982 or so, worked when took them out, don't have driver board, lost that. Will trade for coco-3 or IDE drive (working) around 540mb or so. (haha) Paul T. Barton paulb(a)nuvision3d.com

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Amiga A1060 SideCar

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Doug Spence <ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca> wrote: >> I'll bet a doughnut there are at least two Sidecar sites on the net, >> given the known rabidity of Amiga enthusiasts. > >Very possible, though I've so far not found them. There seems to be some >product for the named "SideCar" though, because Alta Vista keeps coughing >up links to articles on it. Hmm. Guess that means I might owe you a doughnut. Did you try posting questions to the Amigoid newsgroups? I'll check my basement archives, too. >I wish I had ordered something from IAM when they had their "boing logo" >promotion, but I had recently purchased DiskSalv at a computer show, and >already had the "Deathbed Vigil" video and T-shirt, and I wasn't >interested in any of their other products at the time. It would've been >nice to get the logos, though. (They were scoured from the garages of >various ex-Commodore engineers.) I attended the first "Amiga wake" party when Amiga Corp. closed in Los Gatos. They had one of those "black box" wirewrap Amigas there. I will continue to deny that I had anything to do with the rescue of the Amiga sign from the lawn of the old office. :-) - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

28 years, 2 months

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Teletype 33 bits

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

Does anyone have any suggestions as to where we might track down a tape punch and reader for this old Teletype 33TA? Regards Charlie Fox

28 years, 2 months

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FW: VAX Wanted in Germany -- offer of $500 made!

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Holy Cow... I guess the repair price this fellow got quoted was truly astronomical! Anyway... if you've got a VAXen of the type he's looking for, and you want to get a good price for it and have it go to a good home to boot (pun intended, of course), get in touch with the original author of the message attached here... -=-=- <snip> -=-=- From: michaXrostock(a)t-online.de (Dr. Michael Storck) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec Subject: Looking for ... Date: 29 Mar 1998 18:11:59 GMT Organization: T-Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6fm2tf$su6$1(a)news00.btx.dtag.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0381685071-0001(a)t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.btx.dtag.de!news.btx.dtag.de!not-for-mail Hi from Rostock, Germany My old DecStation 5000 / 200 got hardware -problems. Having it repaired is rather expensive with digital in germany. As I still have data on two rz 55 / rz 56 disks I am looking for a DecStation 5000 / 240 or 5000 / 260 system 2ndhand, with a sytem 2 user license of ultrix 4.3 or 4.4 I would need only the system box (with hard disk built in ) as my Dec (well rather Sony) 19" monitor is still well and alive ... Shipping from US / CAN via UPS or DHL ... Willing to pay about $ 500 (depending on type of sys and size of hard disk) Mike Storck -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, SysOp, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272) kyrrin {at} js d[o]t n=e=t "...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them!..."

28 years, 2 months

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Baby Blue CP/M Card for PC's

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

I recently got a "Baby Blue CPU Plus" card by Microlog Inc. It's a CP/M Card for PC's, and has a 4.77mhz Z80B with 64K RAM (available to DOS too). Also "accepts several popular CP/M 5.25-in soft-sectored disk formats". It's a full-length 8-bit ISA card, and has no docs or software, but the original box has the installation info (including limited dip-switch settings) printed on the back. Anyway, anyone have a manual or software I could get a copy of? Thanks in advance! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years, 2 months

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Kaypro: 81-149C vs. 81-232

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 22, 7:16, Doug Spence wrote: > Subject: Re: Kaypro: 81-149C vs. 81-232 > > Well, I've repeated what I did the other night. I plugged the Kaypro II > into the Kaypro 2's drives, and vice versa. Just the ribbon cable, not > the power. Whichever machine was plugged into the Kaypro II's drives was > able to boot, the machine plugged into the 2's drives just sits there with > the bootup message and eventually beeps and says "I cannot read your disk" > (or similar). I don't know much about Kaypros, but is it possible that one of the sets of drives is 40-track and the other is 80-track? Or that one set is single-sided and the other is double-sided? When you start up the machine and it tries to boot, does a light come on, on the disk drive (which would indicate that the drive is being accessed)? > Anyway, the only other thing I could try is to make drive B in the 2 think > that it's drive A, to see if I can boot from there. Does anyone know how > these drives decide which one's A and which one is B? And can I switch > their identities without removing the drives from the metal housing? I > don't have the proper screwdriver to remove the drives. Usually there's a set of jumpers, or sometimes a small DIL switch pack, which select one of four disk addresses. They may be labelled DS0, DS1, DS2, DS3 or perhaps D1, D2, D3, D4. D0=A and D1=B. You just need to switch the jumper settings. Even if they're not labeled, you should find that all but one of the jumpers (the drive select jumper) in one drive match the jumpers in the other drive (of the ame pair). If you open up the drive case and tell us what the make and model number of the actual drive mechanism is, someone can probably tell you the jumper settings and whether the drive is 40/80 or SS/DS. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

28 years, 2 months

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Terminals to get rid of-rerun

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

I had these posted in late February and had to "cold shoulder" a few people since there were some people that said they definitely wanted them. Those same people have not contacted me in some time and I'm posting these again as I need to get them out of my way soon or they will get new homes in the landfill.... Have three older terminals, condition unknown but in good physical shape. Digital VT100, no keyboard Digital VT220, no keyboard Visual 102 with keyboard I'm going to ask $5 for each plus shipping to more or less cover the time involved in packing and running these to the shipper, but otherwise they're here and awaiting some interested foster home to contact me about them. Neither weighs a lot but due to the glass crt they aren't featherwight either. I also have for $10 each plus shipping three Hewlett Packard 700/44 terminals in great physical and electrical shape. They emulate quite a few different things and come with like new keyboards as well and have both a current loop and a 25 pin serial connection in the back. If the people that said they wanted them are still reading the posts in this area and still want them they need to contact me immediately. I'm sure the Digitals are wanted irregardless of condition for parts or collectability. The HP's are great dumb terminals for those of you running minis and mainframes that otherwise have no human interface and possibly even for automated data aquisition and test racks. If I don't get a firm response by the middle of April (say tax deadline) they go away for good. It's too much of a problem to have them in much needed space here to mess with them. Those interested should let me know what they want and their zip code to calculate shipping, either by UPS or USPS. I can only take a money order or cashier's check for the amount due and shipping, in advance of shipping. COntact me directly. I'm in the process of finishing my new shop and these are a definite nuisance to have to walk around since I personally have no use for them -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

28 years, 2 months

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Computer Pinout Sources

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Here us a URL that can provide you with MANY pinouts: The Hardware Book: http://www.blackdown.org/~hwb/hwb.html -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

28 years, 2 months

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Osborne disk reads/writes

by engine＠chac.org

Got this off the Web site this morning, it's an interesting question. Reply to poster with a copy, please. >name=guy brutel >addr=brutel(a)wxs.nl >I am looking for a program that reads /writes on a DOS-PC the 5 1/4 diskettes of my old Osborne 1. Where to find such conversion programmes? Program sources that could be adapted? >Thanks! TIA, __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

28 years, 2 months

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Modem Tester FS/Trade

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

Rerun of what I posted earlier. I really need to find a home for this! Sanders and Associates 101 Modem Tester Smaller sized benchtop case (11x4x10 approx that sits on handle) with 25 pin sub-d male and female connectors (RS-232??) as well as individual test points for each signal on back. Nixie 3 digit error display, over run/count gate/sync lost lamps, test pattern/test length switch, BPS/sync/self test switch, 1 error 10(3) bits button and start button on the front. The unit was made by Sanders & Associates Inc, Digital Comm Dept, Nashua, New Hamster. It appears to be of middle/late 80's vintage and is probably a worthwhile instrument yet for telecomm or network use. I can just imaine what something like this went for new. Asking $35 plus shipping (10 lbs maybe) for the unit. I'd really like to find someone that can use this as I've been considering pulling the guts and using the case for a homebuilt freq. counter, which I really don't want to do. Contact me by direct email if interested as soon as possible. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

28 years, 2 months

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Televideo TS803 $10 in L.A.

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Televideo TS 803 plus, $10/OBO, Used GIVEAWAY: Mint condition "Televideo" (old CPM system, like Kaypros) from 1983. More than a word processor--many functions. Reliable workhorse, beautiful ergonomic design, never sick one day. Complete original manuals, Wordstar disk & manual, other system disks, and compatible Fortis printer in excellent condition. Worth much more than price--$10. For sale by private party Los Angeles, California - L.A. Area 91030 --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years, 2 months

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Amiga A1060 SideCar

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Doug Spence <ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca> wrote: [8,349,320 lines of Sidecar wondering deleted] I'll bet a doughnut there are at least two Sidecar sites on the net, given the known rabidity of Amiga enthusiasts. I'll also bet that by posting on the relevant Amiga news groups, you'll be in e-mail contact with an engineer who worked on it. I've got most of the Amiga dev con notes in the basement, along with some rare Janus programming docs and disks, but I'm not sure they'd be relevant to your ROM version. A year or so ago, I saw a very interesting Amiga collection go up for auction: a pristine, still-in-the-unopened-boxes Amiga 1000, complete with RAM sidecar, parallel-port hard disk, etc. It was something left over from Commodore that someone rescued in the last days. I'm still hoarding my collection of never-shipped aluminium "boing" logos that fit in the little square on the corner of the A1000. :-) - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

28 years, 2 months

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Diamond Trackstar e Apple-in-a-PC board

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Hello, all: I received today a Diamond Computer Systems Trackstar e pple ][ emulator board for my PC. Does anyone have any instructions for this thing?? Thanks again. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

28 years, 2 months

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Olivetti M15 and friends

by dwollmann＠ibmhelp.com

At 02:34 PM 3/28/98 -0600, you wrote: >The M15 works >great and has a prototype sticker on it (S/N 00075) - I know this model >made it into production, but I can't find much info on it. Does anybody >have a production date and numbers for it? Circa 1985 is my guess. Olivetti M15 (donated by Monique Pellaton) Microprocessor - Intel i80C88 Memory - 512 Kb RAM Video (Text) - 80/25 or 40/25 chars Video (Graphics) - 640/200 dots Disk drives - 2 x 3 1/2" 720 Kb

28 years, 2 months

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Mikbug info?

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Bill Yakowenko <yakowenk(a)cs.unc.edu> wrote: >>From very nearly the first day I bumped into a computer, I've >>been finding sporadic references to MIKBUG, an early monitor >>ROM for 6800 machines. For instance, most of the older 6800 >>monitor ROMs (SWTBUG, SMARTBUG, others?) claim preserve MIKBUG >>entry points. And a lot of the programs in Motorola's ancient >>6800 freeware archive refer to it. (That archive can be found >>at this URL: http://www.mcu.motsps.com/freeweb/pub/usergroup) >>But I've never seen one, or any any real documentation for >>one. Can anybody out there help me find any of this stuff? >>Of course I'd be happiest to find a binary image, source code, >>and whatever docs originally came with it. But I'll take >>whatever I can get. As it is now, the best I can do is to >>extract some of its defined entry points from definitions >>in those freeware programs. >> >> Thanks! >> Bill. allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) wrote: >Same here. I have a M6800D1 and MIKBUG but no source listing. The >function is a very simple program loader/debugger. What was interesting >is the code was written so that routines like TTYin, TTYout, PRINTCHR >and PRINTnum could be called from external programs. Saving some coding >effort. >Allison The first computer I built was a 6800 SS50 bus machine. Of course I wanted to maintain compatiblity with MIKBUG. So I requested from Motorola their Engineering Note 100 titled: MCM6830L7 MIKBUG/MINIBUG ROM And the good news is that I still have the Engineering Note. The first 10 pages describes a little hardware, address decoding and address spaces used. The next 8 pages is a full assembly source listing for MIKBUG. The next 4 pages is the listing for MINIBUG. MIKBUG occupied 512 bytes starting at address E000, it used 128 bytes of ram starting at A000 for scratchpad and the stack, and a PIA at address 8000 for serial interface to a terminal. I rewrote the code to move the I/O bus from 8000 to F400, and the ram from A000 to F000. With the original addressing scheme there was only room for 32K on contigous memory, AND WHO WOULD EVER NEED MORE THAN 32K :) I recoded so that I could have 48K of ram and 12K of Eprom. I also recoded it to use a parallel keyboard interface and to drive a Percom video board. Terminals were not cheap then. I later obtained a hex dump listing of a disassembler. Given the custom of always using the standard MIKBUG entry points, I was able to figure enough about the disassembler to have it disassemble itself and later to disassemble an assembler. Given that info I rewrote both the disassembler and the assembler and then later assembled a disk operating system from a source listing published by some company that had one copy of the book left when I called and ordered it. The DOS was called CP/68, not to be confused with CPM/68, although CP/68 appears to have had its roots in CPM. And now here it is years later and I don't even know how many computers I've got, but I always look back at the time and effort that I put into that first machine. I sometimes feel I put more into it than I got back in terms of doing some productive, but then again what I learned from that has proved worthwhile time and time again. I know that there are those on this list that are barely out of their teens, and quite frankly I wonder sometimes what their fascination is for these old machines. Then again what they will learn from resurrecting some old beast will be worth a lot more than what they learn in some course somewhere. The graduates >from the 'school of hard knocks' always seem to be better. Enough of my ramblings. I looked around the above mentioned web site and did not find Eng Note 100. I would suspect that it may be out there somewhere. If not, and you're unable to get a copy from Motorola, I may be willing to copy the Eng Note and send it out. I just hope I am not deluged with requests. Mike Thompson

28 years, 2 months

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Speaking of Ithaca Audio...

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

Does anyone know where I can find a picture and/or specifications on Ithaca Intersystems products? Specifically, a circa 1980 microcomputer? I've searched the web a lot, and have come up empty. -Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r (Home of the COSMAC Elf Simulator!)

28 years, 2 months

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HMR Haul

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

For them in the Bay area, I want to reiterate that HMR USA is worth a visit. And good news -- They're going to be open on Saturdays. They're going to be open M-Th for businesses only, and Friday and Saturday for individuals. They've got a new web site as well: <http://www.hmrusa.com/> (with no hyphen.) Anyway, I was there, and picked up: AST PenExec (aka GRiD 2260/2270) * Zenith ZFL-181-93 * Toshiba T1100Plus Toshiba T3100e/40 Toshiba T5200/100 (2) Toshiba T5200 NEC MultiSpeed NEC MultiSpeed EL NEC MultiSpeed HD Tandy 1400LT * Halikan LA5040 * IBM PS/2 L40SX * Epson Equity LT Generic "Portable PCIII" Lunchbox Generic (different) "Portable 286" Lunchbox Those marked with a * are ones I need info on the power supply requirements, especially the PenExec, which uses the same kind of connector as a Mac Serial cable, the IBM L40SX, and the Halikan which has a male 5-pin DIN connector. Also, one of the front hinges/supports on the PenExec is broken. Do y'all think it's okay to just super-glue or epoxy it? Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years, 2 months

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FW: VAXen wanted

by kyrrin＠jps.net

If anyone can help this fellow out, please reply directly. Besides looking for a VAXStation or similar, he also has some MVII boards available. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- From: mrbill(a)texas.net (Bill Bradford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec Subject: WTB: Older VAXstation or entry-level Alpha Reply-To: mrbill(a)texas.net Message-Id: <slrn6hn10n.78t.mrbill(a)staff2.texas.net> X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX) Lines: 29 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:48:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.207.0.39 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:48:55 CST Path: blushng.jps.net!nntp.snfc21.pbi.net!news.pbi.net!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!nntp.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail If you've got an old VAX system (VAXstation, etc) sitting around in your closet, I'm interested - I want to get a VMS box up and running here at home. Alternatively, I'm looking for an AXPpci33 motherboard and CPU to run AlphaLinux on. I was given a MicroVAX II about a year ago, but the system arrived in beat-up-and-unusable condition without drives. I ended up giving the chassis away, after stripping out all the cards, adapters, and various serial ports, etc. I still have all of that stuff in a box if anyone is interested. In fact, I'll give them free to anyone in the Austin or San Antonio area if you want to come pick them up. I can be reached at mrbill(a)texas.net. Bill -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, SysOp, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272) kyrrin {at} js d[o]t n=e=t "...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them!..."

28 years, 2 months

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Apple Lisa

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Just how scarce are these machines? I have the opportunity to snare a significant number with software and accessories, shrinkwrapped. A

28 years, 2 months

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True Blue PC/AT Turbo board by Megahertz

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-03-28 09:24:11 EST, you write: << > <1) Does this really work? I thought you couldn't over clock a true AT? > < (This particular motherboard is a "256/512 K System Board" with > < piggy-backed RAM chips. It has lots of "ECOs" on the pin side of > < the board. I don't know if my other one does, too. Note: ECO = > < Engineering Change Order.) >> its my understanding that the original AT bios dated ~1984 would work ok if the machine was overclocked. later versions of the AT bios were fixed so overclocking will give you a post failure for your efforts. of course, my type 1 AT had an aftermarket bios so i didnt have that problem, and i could also specify custom drive types. david

28 years, 2 months

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True Blue PC/AT Turbo board by Megahertz

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Obviously this is meant to over clock the 286, with the rotary switch <allowing increasing the clock frequency until the 286 fails. Overclocking another retrorevionistpc idea. No most likely it allowed you to buy the fastest 286 and clock it at it's native speed. <1) Does this really work? I thought you couldn't over clock a true AT? < (This particular motherboard is a "256/512 K System Board" with < piggy-backed RAM chips. It has lots of "ECOs" on the pin side of < the board. I don't know if my other one does, too. Note: ECO = < Engineering Change Order.) The AT might go a little faster, at some point the DRAM timing goes flakey and otehr things start to get cranky. That's especially true of the ISA cards! <2) Would increasing the 286-6 to a 286-8,10,12 increase the frequency < at which it could reliably run? I have a PGA 286-8, but I'm not < sure there are faster PGA 286s? There are it went all the way to 12 or 16mhz. I have a LCC version thats 12 and the PS/2m50s I have are 10mhz. <3) Any software needed? (The ROMs appear to be the same as on my other < machine.) None but the rams may get unhappy of pushed to fast (data takes time to get out). Allison

28 years, 2 months

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RX01 drive alignment

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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28 years, 2 months

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Diamond Trackstar e Apple-in-a-PC board

by kroma＠worldnet.att.net

> I received today a Diamond Computer Systems Trackstar e >Apple ][ emulator board for my PC. Does anyone have any instructions for this >thing?? > Yes. I email them to you separately. -- Kirk

28 years, 2 months

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PC Portables History Article

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

The March '98 issue of PC Portables has an article on the history of Portable computers. And if yer wondering, yep, that's me being quoted in there.

28 years, 2 months

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True Blue PC/AT Turbo board by Megahertz

by djenner＠halcyon.com

I found an IBM PC/AT (for spare parts for another recently acquired one) with a small card placed in between one power supply lead to the motherboard. It also has a lead clipped to the motherboard, presumably to insert modified clock frequency to the 286. On the board it says "Megahertz Corp (c) 1986 286-2 REV 4". The board bolts to the back of the chassis and has one button (reset) and two switches (6MHz-Turbo and rotary 8-9-10-11-12). Obviously this is meant to over clock the 286, with the rotary switch allowing increasing the clock frequency until the 286 fails. So, this suggests these questions: 1) Does this really work? I thought you couldn't over clock a true AT? (This particular motherboard is a "256/512 K System Board" with piggy-backed RAM chips. It has lots of "ECOs" on the pin side of the board. I don't know if my other one does, too. Note: ECO = Engineering Change Order.) 2) Would increasing the 286-6 to a 286-8,10,12 increase the frequency at which it could reliably run? I have a PGA 286-8, but I'm not sure there are faster PGA 286s? 3) Any software needed? (The ROMs appear to be the same as on my other machine.) Thanks for any information anyone can shed on this. Dave

28 years, 2 months

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FWIW: Data General One Laptop spotted for sale

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

Thought someone in the group might be interested. As usual, if you are discovered, I will deny any knowledge of your existence. >We have an OLD Data General One Laptop from 1983!!!! > >We would like to sell it! >It works well, has a modem, and an HP Think Jet Printer! > >No reasonable offer will be refused! > >------- >PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS: >Send all inquires to: mldat(a)the-pentagon.com > >Thank you! > -Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r (Home of the COSMAC Elf Simulator!)

28 years, 2 months

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FW: Tim or Allison? Can you help out?

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Although directed at Tim or Allison (as the two other DEC-savvy folk on here), this one's wide open. I got the attached E-mail from a visitor to my web site. Unfortunately, I'm not that familiar with the hardware he's gotten hold of. Can someone else get in touch with him and give him a nudge in the right direction? Thanks! -=-=- <snip> -=-=- >From: MHarvey863 <MHarvey863(a)aol.com> >Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:32:25 EST >To: kyrrin(a)jps.net >Subject: Please help me >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 161 >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dry.jps.net id TAA11206 > >Hi there. > >I need to beg for help. My department at university has just offloaded its >junk on me & I've got half a dozen VAXstation 2000's, a VAXServer 3550 and a >MicroVAX 3500. Your's is the only site that gives refernce to any of these and >Digital wanted to charge me ?100 before they'ed even give me the time of day. > >Can you help me with any VAX info or machine info. I believe they all work, >but the only compatible monitor I had blew up just before I aquired them. I've >got the odd three-way cable to connect the mouse, keyboard & monitor and I >would ideally like to restore the client/server setup that they were in before >they were junked. > >Thanks very much > >Matt Harvey > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

28 years, 2 months

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Ithaca Audio and friends

by peacock＠simconv.com

> > Your guesses seem correct about the function of the > connectors, but I'm > > not so sure about the mapping of the 26-pin connector -- > they seem like > > they might be reversed from what I would expect. Here are > a few I buzzed: The 1488 and 1489 are level shifters (+/-12Vdc to/from +5Vdc) for an RS-232 interface. This is consistent with an RS-232 port. Remember, the 26 pin connector will be wired to match whatever serial cable came with the board, they aren't all the same. Jack

28 years, 2 months

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Pinouts, Schematics, Oh Boy - Also:Dead

by szewczykm＠hcgi.com

The other day I picked up a Commodore 128D. [Along with a Timex Sinclaire 1000 with some sort of module hanging off of it that I'm not sure about, Also a Commodore 1541 Floppy all for $25 at a Pawn Shop) Anyhow, I plugged in the C128 and I get only a black screen. I checked the fuses and notice one had been blown. I replaced it and still only had a black screen and a newly blown fuse. I'm going to do some checks on the power supply to see if I can fix the fuse blowing and hopefully the black screen. I also have picked up an Atari 520ST with the external floppy drive - no power supplies or cables. My thinking is that I can always build those if I need to. What all of this is leading to is - Does anyone know of any good resources for pinouts, schematics, etc on the old PC's? Also, does the black screen on the C128D ring any bells for anyone? Thanks! Mike

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More Proof that Intel is Backwards.

by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

So what's new? -----Original Message----- From: Daniel A. Seagraves <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 2:25 PM Subject: More Proof that Intel is Backwards. >God, I hate Intel... >Playing with PDP-11 assembly. Did x86 assemble before. > >X86 move: MOV Destination,Soure >Everything else move: MOV Source, Destination > >Just spent 20 minutes trying to find out why "MOV SP,#1600" >caused a stackfault every time... (SP goes negative on a push, as 1600/ 0) > >Intel is Backwards... >-------

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More Proof that Intel is Backwards.

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

God, I hate Intel... Playing with PDP-11 assembly. Did x86 assemble before. X86 move: MOV Destination,Soure Everything else move: MOV Source, Destination Just spent 20 minutes trying to find out why "MOV SP,#1600" caused a stackfault every time... (SP goes negative on a push, as 1600/ 0) Intel is Backwards... -------

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Ithaca Audio and friends

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Ithica Audio, some pretty neat systems. I used to call on them as an apps engineer back in 1980. I wouldn't mind finding one or at least the floppy controller as I had some influence in the design. <> I also found a National Semiconductor Board Level Computer (BLC). It's <> 8080A single-board computer from 1977. There's also an unpopulated RO <> board in the small card cage. I know zilch about this one. There are <> plenty of unconnected edge-connectors on the CPU board and an on-board <> 8251, so I assume I can make this one fly if I simply figure out the I/ <> connections and power requirements. IF it has two edge connectors it's multibus and it was made a few years later as National was not in the multibus market till 79-81ish. Allison

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Sinclair ZX-80

by revcom＠ruraltel.net

Hello, I'm enjoying the demographics thread for Mar '98. Followed for some time. None of the collections seem to mention a Sinclair ZX-80. I had/have the 4k ROM version, then upgraded to the 8k ROM. "The Monitor Exposed" (I forget the excellent author's name) was and is my kernel in computer science, which is how I now make a modest living. Timex came out with a Sinclair-based machine, too. The Timex 1000, I think. It had more RAM. Both had an expansion port for RAM They ran on a Z80 MPU (Thanks to Rodney Zak! I know my Z80 stuff). There was a magazine called Sync. It had a "alternative" look to the cover. My collection is based on computers with which I've had person experiences. So far, I'm missing some Apples (which shouldn't be hard to find if I get to cities) and a PDP-11/70, which I probably couldn't get to work if I had one. --J. Lynn Hogg jhogg(a)bigfoot.com

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ZX-81 Re: Sinclair ZX-80

by jthiemann＠castleton.com

To implement the "slow" mode, the ZX81 has the NMI line connected to something or other. I have one Timex 1000 and a ZX81, the difference being 1k (1k in the ZX81, 2k in the Timex) but of course, everyone "has" to have one of the wobbly 16k packs! For those interested, you can roll your own ZX80, thanks to the lack of custom chips! (That's right - Z80, RAM, ROM, and a handfull of TTL chips...) Schematics and ROM images (also for ZX81) are at http://www.babytalk.demon.co.uk/zx80/zx80.html -------------------------------------------- Joachim Thiemann DSP Coder, Castleton Network Systems I doubt therefore I might be. > -----Original Message----- > From: John Ruschmeyer [SMTP:jruschme@exit109.com] > Sent: March 26, 1998 22:52 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: ZX-81 Re: Sinclair ZX-80 > > > Hi Lynn, > > > > Timex 1000s are EASY to find! I've passed up dozens of them at > yard > > sales. I have four that I ended up with for one reason or another. > BTW > > I found a ZX-81 the other day. Is anyone familar with it? What's > the > > difference between it and a ZX-80? > > The ZX-81 is basically a ZX-80 with an enhanced ROM and some extra > circuitry > which let it display while computing (SLOW mode). > > The TS-1000 is a ZX-81 with 2K of RAM instead of 1K. > > <<<John>>>

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What is this? AST 88 Mb drive

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

SyQuest? > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe [SMTP:rigdonj@intellistar.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 1998 10:28 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: What is this? AST 88 Mb drive > > I picked up an external drive in a bunch of computer parts. Can anyone > identify it? It looks like a Bernoulli or Syquest drive but is marked "AST > Technologies" and "88 MB C". It's the same size as a Bernoulli > Transportable drive and the cartridge looks like it is *almost* the same > size as a Bernoulli 90 Mb (but it's not!) It has two 50 pin SCSI > connectors > on the back along with a socket for a power cord and two AC outlets. It > included a SCSI cable that has a male DB-25 connctor on the other end. > What kind of cartridge does this take? Is it worth bothering with? > > Joe

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What is this? AST 88 Mb drive

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I picked up an external drive in a bunch of computer parts. Can anyone identify it? It looks like a Bernoulli or Syquest drive but is marked "AST Technologies" and "88 MB C". It's the same size as a Bernoulli Transportable drive and the cartridge looks like it is *almost* the same size as a Bernoulli 90 Mb (but it's not!) It has two 50 pin SCSI connectors on the back along with a socket for a power cord and two AC outlets. It included a SCSI cable that has a male DB-25 connctor on the other end. What kind of cartridge does this take? Is it worth bothering with? Joe

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Fwd: For Sale

by sinasohn＠mail.crl.com

Received this message... Hope someone can help him out... >From: "Joe's Second e-mail" <kainjb(a)mysolution.com> >Subject: For Sale > >While cleaning up my basement I found my Atari 800 with three memory cards, Bit 3 80 column card, original documentation, a game cartridge, BASIC cartridge, several joysticks, and a new floppy drive that was never plugged in (Bought a MAC). I did notice that the space bar was cracked, but it does work :-) > >I would like to sell it all off. Please pass this message to any interested party. > >Thank you in advance. > >Joe Kain >219-436-9966 >219-459-1120 Fax >kainjb(a)mysolution.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Accucard UPS-on-a-card

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I bought this thing with all packaging and manuals. It's called the AccuCard, and is made by Emerson UPS. It fits into an 8-bit ISA slot, and goes between the power supply and motherboard in terms of power. If the power supply should turn off, the thing will keep the mother board on. It claims to save something to disk, but I don't know how it keeps the drives on. I don't think my power cable will reach, but I will try to install it, and report back. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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