- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by jwagg＠fs.cei.net

I recently picked up a 36 that appears to be in working condition. The only problem is no operating system. Anyone know where I can get the OS disks? Thanks in advance. Joe Wagg jwagg(a)fs.cei.net

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See if this sounds wierd...

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I just noticed something. The SLU for this 34 is in the SPC slots only. There are 2 backplanes in this box. The SLU board is just below the bus jumper. Is that normal? Bus B Bus A ----+ +----- M9202 | S | L | U ----+ +------

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Does anyone have the PDP-11/34 console cable pinout?

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I think this console cable's screwed, the machine boots OK but refused to talk to a console. Not even power-up line noise. And I know the terminal's good. Tried turning the cable both ways. Several wires are sunsoldered, but not any of the important ones... something's screwy with this cable. Anyone got a pinout of one?

28 years, 5 months

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Archive Corp FT60 Adapter Board Jumper Settings

by djenner＠halcyon.com

I have an Archive FT60 tape drive (uses DC600A cartridges) that I am trying to install. I don't have complete information on the jumper settings of the adapter card (8-bit ISA). The card has several markings on it: Archive Corporation, FCC ID: EAX6GPSC499-R ?(unintelligible) A-200, 88 16, Rev B DET. 50594-01 e023391 Is there any chance that someone has specifications or an installation manual around for this adapter? Also, last version of the MS-DOS software (especially MS-DOS libraries to allow reading/writing, etc.) Thanks, Dave Jenner djenner(a)halcyon.com

28 years, 5 months

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8" floppy power connections...

by dwalterm＠ix.netcom.com

I have a couple old double-sided 8" floppies I want to get running. Does anyone have the pinouts for the square molex power plug? I think its +5, ground and +24v and ground but would like to be sure before turning them on. One drive is a Magnetic Peripherals Inc (CDC)BR8A8B still in the CDC styrofoam package. The other is a pull from an HP 9895 drive (the belt had fallen off). I'd also like to know how big a power supply I'll need to run two of these.... Thanks, Don Walterman dwalterm(a)ix.netcom.com

28 years, 5 months

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Two Items Needed

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Okay, thanks. But if there are any other old systems that someone would "give" to me? (Don't worry, I'll pay you for the costs of the computer as well as shipping.), like anything, I already have an XT, but that's it. (I'm REALLY interested, but just started collecting. Thanks everyone, Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 5 months

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New toy.

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I have the 2 PDP-11/34s in my possession now, and BOTH have tape drives! Too bad it runs too loud, or I'd be playing with it now... There were old DA boxes. Ran RT11, and had 64K of ram. I'll upgrade that, and drop on a copy of RSX11-M. I just hope that can fit on 2 RX02s... they have no harddisks. And the tape drives are some funny emulation, so this could get interesting... They have the chicklet-calculator frontpanels, not switches and lights (Darn!), but if I were to go get a few 11/45 boards, would this become a 45? Or is the frontpanel different between boxes?

28 years, 5 months

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RSX-11M Tapes: Distribution or not?

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Are these RSX11M distrib tapes? They're small, like a 5 1/4" disk. I'll read off the labels: #1: BB-N353B-BC RSX11M V4.0 ATPCH B 16MT9 1/2 #2: BB-N680A-BC RSX11M V4.0 ATPCH B 16MT9 2/2 #3: BB-H881A-BC RMS-11K/RSX-11M V1.8 MT9

28 years, 5 months

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Friday and Saturday Finds

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

As soon as the call comes in I will be driving down to get the items and will sell or trade all the excess items. Keep computing !! At 05:53 AM 10/26/97 +0300, you wrote: >Do you want to sell these things? Because if so, I'm really interested. >Where I live (In Bahrain, in the Mid-East), everyone has gotten rid of >anything 5+ years old. (But not to many people have anything much newer :) >!) I might have a lead on an Apple I, and other of the older models of >Apples, but that's with a friend in the US, but if I do get some, I'll let >everyone know. I REALLY want a NeXT cube, and a Sun, if you find enough. > Thanks, > > Tim D. Hotze > photze(a)batelco.com.bh > >---------- >From: John R. Keys Jr. <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> >To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Subject: Friday and Saturday Finds >Date: Sunday, October 26, 1997 4:12 AM > >Well the Hamfest is over and I got a few items but missed alot more, too >big >for one person to be get to the tables fast enough. Got some leads on Next >cubes and Sun items for little or no cost, will be talking with them more >next week. If they have enough I will post the information. About a two >hour >drive from me. On to the list >On Friday I found a Zenith luggable ZFA121-52 not tested yet $5 this baby >is >big with the flip up floppy drives on the top, Apple mouse IIe platinum >free, digital tape unit TLZ04-DA $5, 2 Mac Plus M0110A keybroads, a couple >of laser printers and several USR password modems for $10. Today at the >Hamfest I got digital GIGI model VK100-AA with manuals for free, HP model >433SX station $10 no power supply uses the external power brick like the >old >plotters will have get one from storage and test this unit, Commodore >CBM4040 dual drive .80, a Sharp Wizard 64KB for $20 needs new batteries >can't test it yet, a old 256k/64k RAMCHECK tester for $10 this unit is by >Innoventions of Houston need to write and see if the have doc's on this old >unit, and last a few cables and other odds & ends for $1 each. The day was >not as good as hoped as there were several really good bargins that got >away >by seconds. Well hope everyone else also had a good week and Keep >Computing. >John > >

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Two Items Needed

by Zeus334＠aol.com

Here in the Boston area, we have the streets paved with XT's; I pick them up >from the trash every once in a while. Often I leave them for lack of space. By the way, does anyone know about the System/74? Original Message: Hello everyone. I'm new here, but am very interested in collecting computers. I want two things: 1. Information etc. on the Androbot. (Remember, the little robot that premiered about the same time as the XT?) 2. Any extra classics that you have that you could sell to me. In my area, it took me 4 months just to track down 1 XT in relatively bad condition. Thanks,

28 years, 5 months

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Two Items Needed

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hello everyone. I'm new here, but am very interested in collecting computers. I want two things: 1. Information etc. on the Androbot. (Remember, the little robot that premiered about the same time as the XT?) 2. Any extra classics that you have that you could sell to me. In my area, it took me 4 months just to track down 1 XT in relatively bad condition. Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 5 months

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ST506 drives available.

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i lurk alt.folklore computers, and some guy on there claims that he's discovered a cache of NOS 5 meg st506 drives. he hinted at some volume purchase from interested parties. i'd be willing to buy a few as a group purchase, like the deal that fell through with the little handheld machines earlier this year. for more info, check out the thread in alt.folklore.computers. david

28 years, 5 months

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Friday and Saturday Finds

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Do you want to sell these things? Because if so, I'm really interested. Where I live (In Bahrain, in the Mid-East), everyone has gotten rid of anything 5+ years old. (But not to many people have anything much newer :) !) I might have a lead on an Apple I, and other of the older models of Apples, but that's with a friend in the US, but if I do get some, I'll let everyone know. I REALLY want a NeXT cube, and a Sun, if you find enough. Thanks, Tim D. Hotze photze(a)batelco.com.bh ---------- From: John R. Keys Jr. <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Friday and Saturday Finds Date: Sunday, October 26, 1997 4:12 AM Well the Hamfest is over and I got a few items but missed alot more, too big for one person to be get to the tables fast enough. Got some leads on Next cubes and Sun items for little or no cost, will be talking with them more next week. If they have enough I will post the information. About a two hour drive from me. On to the list On Friday I found a Zenith luggable ZFA121-52 not tested yet $5 this baby is big with the flip up floppy drives on the top, Apple mouse IIe platinum free, digital tape unit TLZ04-DA $5, 2 Mac Plus M0110A keybroads, a couple of laser printers and several USR password modems for $10. Today at the Hamfest I got digital GIGI model VK100-AA with manuals for free, HP model 433SX station $10 no power supply uses the external power brick like the old plotters will have get one from storage and test this unit, Commodore CBM4040 dual drive .80, a Sharp Wizard 64KB for $20 needs new batteries can't test it yet, a old 256k/64k RAMCHECK tester for $10 this unit is by Innoventions of Houston need to write and see if the have doc's on this old unit, and last a few cables and other odds & ends for $1 each. The day was not as good as hoped as there were several really good bargins that got away by seconds. Well hope everyone else also had a good week and Keep Computing. John

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Space problems in the UK and US

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

I have a similiar problem: Due to the large size of the XT style motherboards, my desk devoted to classic computers isn't big enough. I can fit the computer on, the monitor on the computer, and the keyboard on the floor. When you try to type, it's not fun. (Type a command. Stop. Before entering it, look up at monitor. Takes about twice as long.) PS- How do you post an origional message? Do you just send one to9 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu , or somewhere else? Tim D. Hotze photze(a)batelco.com.bh ---------- From: Ward Donald Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Space problems in the UK and US Date: Sunday, October 26, 1997 4:09 AM Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote: > > Actually, I'm one of the lucky ones. My fiancee permits me a whole 8" by 10" > > room in the basement for my laboratory. Not much room to actually _move > > Eight by ten inches? You poor thing! But I expect you are exaggerating... One of the minor annoyances about collecting classic computers is the variety of decisions that were made in placement of punctuation on the keyboards. That was supposed to be feet, not inches, of course. And it would be worse, not better, if I were a touch typist. -- Ward Griffiths "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." [Denis Diderot, "Dithyrambe sur la fete de rois"]

28 years, 5 months

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Friday and Saturday Finds

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well the Hamfest is over and I got a few items but missed alot more, too big for one person to be get to the tables fast enough. Got some leads on Next cubes and Sun items for little or no cost, will be talking with them more next week. If they have enough I will post the information. About a two hour drive from me. On to the list On Friday I found a Zenith luggable ZFA121-52 not tested yet $5 this baby is big with the flip up floppy drives on the top, Apple mouse IIe platinum free, digital tape unit TLZ04-DA $5, 2 Mac Plus M0110A keybroads, a couple of laser printers and several USR password modems for $10. Today at the Hamfest I got digital GIGI model VK100-AA with manuals for free, HP model 433SX station $10 no power supply uses the external power brick like the old plotters will have get one from storage and test this unit, Commodore CBM4040 dual drive .80, a Sharp Wizard 64KB for $20 needs new batteries can't test it yet, a old 256k/64k RAMCHECK tester for $10 this unit is by Innoventions of Houston need to write and see if the have doc's on this old unit, and last a few cables and other odds & ends for $1 each. The day was not as good as hoped as there were several really good bargins that got away by seconds. Well hope everyone else also had a good week and Keep Computing. John

28 years, 5 months

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Space problems in the UK and US

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> > No. Typical house sizes here in the UK mean that all of us UK members have > > it. I imagine many of the US crowd have the same problem, too. In > > continental Europe, typical house sizes are larger, but most people live in > > apartments, so goodness knows what they do! > > Hey, all of the BBC shows I see on Public Broadcasting over here in the States > show these huge houses with broad sweeping staircases (which would be great > for stacking a whole lot of desktop-style systems). Am I being deceived by > the media? Do some Brits live in extended closets like we have here in the > U.S.? Yes, you've been deceived. I shall cite my own house as a fairly typical example of a British family home, circa 1928. I am lucky in that I live alone in it; such a house would normally hold a family of 4 or so. Upstairs, three bedrooms (12' x 12', 12' x 11', 6' x 6') and a bathroom (just large enough to hold bath, wash basin and one other item). Downstairs, lving room and dining room (match the two large bedrooms), kitchen (6' x 10' approx) and conservatory. Shelves full of computers etc. in every available space, even the living room, which I had originally intended to reserve for the piano and things. > Actually, I'm one of the lucky ones. My fiancee permits me a whole 8" by 10" > room in the basement for my laboratory. Not much room to actually _move Eight by ten inches? You poor thing! But I expect you are exaggerating... Philip.

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(no subject)

by Zeus334＠aol.com

Gauntlet for what machine? I think I may still have a copy for C-64

28 years, 5 months

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No subject

by martin＠lister.force9.co.uk

Can you get hold of the Game The Gauntlet

28 years, 5 months

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NorthStar info??

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Hello, all: I just got my hands on a North Star system with a load of S-100 boards (mostly Vector Graphics boards; some of which labeled "BAD"). Does anyone have any info on the following: Vector Graphics: ZCB Z80 processor board, 12k PROM board, 16K SRAM board and 64k SRAM board, Micro-Disk floppy controller. I also need info on a Solid State Music video interface board (I think that I have a bad RAM chip on mine). TIA! Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin! Charter Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Networking

28 years, 5 months

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BA23

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Does anyone have any info on the controllers inside here? It says Fixed Disk and Removable Disk. What kind of disks is it expecting?

28 years, 6 months

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386 to 486 upgrade chip wanted

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

One more thing: I wouldn't upgrade a machine, as that just makes it something that it wasn't meant to be, but if you wanted, look in Computer Shopper magazine by ZD, or look in http://www2.classifieds200.com and go to computers then motherboards, then chips. You shouldn't upgrade, if you asked me. See you, Tim D. Hotze photze(a)batelco.com.bh ---------- From: PG Manney <manney(a)nwohio.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: 386 to 486 upgrade chip wanted Date: Saturday, October 25, 1997 5:19 PM Wanted -- 386 to 486 upgrade chip -- 386-40 DX CPU 486 motherboard & chip (are those >10 yrs old, yet?) Thanks, manney(a)nwohio.com

28 years, 6 months

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386 to 486 upgrade chip wanted

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

The 386's are 12 years old, but most machines that have them are 9 years or less. The 486's will celebrae their 8th birthday soon, but most computers that had them (outside of servers and REAL pro computers) were made in '92-'95, then they were replaced by faster Pentiums. Hope that helps, Tim D. Hotze photze(a)batelco.com.bh ---------- From: PG Manney <manney(a)nwohio.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: 386 to 486 upgrade chip wanted Date: Saturday, October 25, 1997 5:19 PM Wanted -- 386 to 486 upgrade chip -- 386-40 DX CPU 486 motherboard & chip (are those >10 yrs old, yet?) Thanks, manney(a)nwohio.com

28 years, 6 months

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386 to 486 upgrade chip wanted

by manney＠nwohio.com

Wanted -- 386 to 486 upgrade chip -- 386-40 DX CPU 486 motherboard & chip (are those >10 yrs old, yet?) Thanks, manney(a)nwohio.com

28 years, 6 months

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Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 -0500 > Reply-to: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > From: "John R. Keys Jr." <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> > To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming > Thanks to those who e-mailed me to keep the list going, I too like to see > what others are finding and the price items are going for. This also to > helps hear about computers and other items that I may have never seen or > hear of. But first about the rescue - I have located about one half of a > 20,000 sq ft warehouse FULL of computers, monitors, printers, manuals, sales > promo items, old software, system disk. I'm talking C64 to SUN to maybe > HP3000 types and a couple of stripped down mainframes (not IBM's). I spent > the last two Saturdays trying to work out a deal and hope to know this week > or next if can start unloading these items for them. I will send out an > e-mail to all as soon as I get the word. I, for one, love your listings. Keep on, keep on, keep on. ciao larry lwalkerN0spaM(a)interlog.com

28 years, 6 months

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Where do you go to find stuff?

by Eros＠mail.dec.com

I suspect this question would be a good addition to an FAQ... Where do you tend to go to find classic computer equipment? Around here (Delaware) I hit garage sales (pretty slim pickin's), swap meets, Salvation Army and Goodwill. A local chemical company has a surplus disposition center that parcels out a limited number of PC and Mac systems. In addition, there's a twice-weekly Goodwill that has occasionally yielded something useful. Any other suggestions? -- Tony

28 years, 6 months

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DEC LK201 keyboard

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Someone gave me a box of 10 or so DEC LK201 keyboards. A couple of them work and the rest do not. Several seem to have the same problem in that the 4 status LED's all light up, but the keyboard does not respond. Has anyone encountered this problem and repaired the keyboard? Does anyone have a schematic for this keyboard that they could copy and send to me? Having several DEC machines, it would be nice to have a few spare keyboards. Thanks, Mike Thompson

28 years, 6 months

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Yes! Frontpanel machines!

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

2 11/34s, for $20. Good! More when I go see them tomorrow

28 years, 6 months

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relative age

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 03:41 PM 10/23/97 -0600, you wrote: >You know, I think my generation was the last to learn about using >the slide rule in highschool (I graduated in 1979). In 1975, when I >was a freshman, all students in my school were requied to learn I started HS in '79 and I was the only person I knew that knew what one was (other than *some* of the teachers.) Still got mine. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 6 months

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Nice Week

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 11:47 PM 10/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >lasertag target for $0.90! BTW, anyone remember when lasertag was popular? >I have a set of two guns and two (now three) targets and was thinking about >putting them on ebay. Yep... There's a new version on the market (saw 'em at both Toys-R-Us and Price Club.) Used to (still do?) have a rifle and a couple of handguns, plus a target or two. Had a lot of fun with them! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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IBM System 36

by Deborah909＠aol.com

Dear Colleagues, I am the information systems coordinator of a large social service agency in Boston that owns a System 36 that we no longer use. In addition to the system itself, we have a printer, software, manuals, and several workstations. Can you give us some assistance in donating or recycling our equipment? Many thanks! Best regards from Deborah Elizabeth Finn Information Systems Family Service of Greater Boston 34 1/2 Beacon Street Boston, MA 02108 617-523-6400, ext. 5506 (voice) 617-523-3034 (fax) fsgb(a)fsgb.org (internet) deborah909(a)aol.com (internet)

28 years, 6 months

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System/34 diskettes as RX02 diskettes

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Holepunching them doesn't work. I tried. Format resets the drive about 8 times and says Device Error. Attempting to boot from one says Controller Failure. I know the device works, I use it for the 3 RX02s I do have. Oh well. BTW, anyone know where I can get an RL02 pack cheap?

28 years, 6 months

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relative age

by manney＠nwohio.com

> You folks are all young sprouts... when I was in H.S. (1938) our AV >equipment was a wind up phonograph (disks, not cylinders,) and a lantern >slide projector. Once someone from Bell Telephone brought in a movie >projector and showed films! Calculations? they were done with a pencil on >"foolscap". And no, I didn't have Socrates for a teacher. I went through HS on a slide rule. Someone brought in an electromechanical calculator to my math class, and I fell in love with it. <sigh> ps Where did "Foolscap" get its name? E-mail me... (extremely off-topic) manney(a)nwohio.com

28 years, 6 months

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DEQNA

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Anyone got the pinout of the AUI connector on this? Will it work with any AUI?

28 years, 6 months

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Osborne I Floppies

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

Of the Seimens FDD 100-5 drives on my Osborne I, drive A is worn and tempermental. I am trying to switch A and B. There are no obvious jumpers, and cable connections are identical to both drives. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks Charlie Fox

28 years, 6 months

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TRS-80 Model II

by kevan＠heydon.org

Just got this, if anybody is interested then follow up directly to him. ------- Forwarded Message From: leelouden(a)webtv.net (Lee Louden) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:44:01 -0700 To: collector(a)heydon.org Subject: TRS-80 Model II I have, and am currently using the above mentioned. It is a complete system with original desk and matching printer stand. The original system without extra software sold for 10k. I am the original owner and have taken good care of it . This is the 8" floppy drive system with a triple expansion bay, modem and daisey wheel printer. Any interest? ------- End of Forwarded Message -- Kevan Old Computer Collector: http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/

28 years, 6 months

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A few deals found

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well I been at again and found some good ones, list to follow. We've got a big Hamfest and computer sale this weekend in St. Paul (MN) and I hope to find a few things there got my ticket already. Well on to the list: 1. SOROC IQ120 for $5, this is the first monitor I purchased back 1978 for my Nortstar that I got for $3200 wow now a get them for 1 to 5 dollars. 2. Amstrad pc-20 with all the manuals but no monitor for free. 3. CPT SRS45 tower with monitor but no KB $5.00 4. IBM 3864-2 type II for free 5. Mac SE with 1 mbyte ram, 800k FD and 20sc HD for $5 6. Data General One with power brick and it works $5 7. Zenith ZF-158-42 for $5 8. Laser Pal 386sx with KB, no monitor, manuals and software disk $5 9. IBM type 3476 monitor for $5 10. two boxes full of manuals and old software for free 11. Sun model 4/20FM-8 monitor for $5 12. Sun 3/110c-B cpu chip taken out but got the case and some boards for $5 13. Apple MAC II no KB or monitor for $5 14. 2 Sum mice and two KB a type 5c and a type with cables for free 15. MT1000 controller that works for free 16. Sun 3/260HM-8 case only all the boards were gone for $5 17. SPARCstation IPC with HD taken and memory all gone and unit taken apart so the guy gave it to me for free. That's the short list the first three days of this week and I have picked up over 35 items but the wife is starting to ask questions. I've had to rent another storage unit to hold my collection. I'm working with two different groups right now trying to get a building to house a museum and hope to get some State and federal help with the funds. Keep computing !!

28 years, 6 months

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Another good day

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Today I went to 3 thrift stores from Hopkins to Bloomington to St. Paul and found a few items. Sun 3/160S-4 seems to be all there will try to fire it up this weekend, another Sun 4/20FM-8 monitor, Apple language cards, tape and HD rack for Sun 160, Apple IIc Plus with the 3.5 FD and built-in power supply will test this weekend this is my second one of these I got the first in St. Louis MO this past summer at a flea market, I got some other items but have not written them down yet it was too cold at the storage unit so I just unloaded the car and left. The highest price item was $10, the other were either $5 or free. Good hunting to all

28 years, 6 months

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Wanted:387 SX

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Roger Merchberger wrote: > 1) I have a couple co-processors -- make me an offer. Yes please! I need a 387SX in a 68 pin plcc to go in the bottom of a Compaq LTE Lite 20. $15? > 2) I saw several emulators, but the only one I found that actually worked > well, the file was called "FRANKE87" and was German in origin. It actually > fooled AutoCad 10 into believing there was a co-processor chip on my 386SX > and actually did speed up FP instructions (measured with CheckIt). Emulator doesn't interest me - I'm not likely to run much serious stuff on my PC anyway... > I may have a copy of it somewhere, but that's no guarantee, as my 386 has > been sold for a coupla years now, and my P150+ doesn't need it. ;-) You've got a WHAT? Go and wash your mouth out with soap and water and don't ever mention the word P*****m on this list again! ;-) (At least, not until it's ten years old) Seriously, though, I found when looking around last year (when I got the Compaq laptops) that most of the electronics catalogues _didn't_ contain the 80387 any more. I must search the net... Philip.

28 years, 6 months

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Where do you go to find stuff?

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I hit some of the same places except garage sales. Just look out for private thrift and talk with the manager must are willing to work with if you take it by the load and not try to pick out just the ones you want. I can get real low prices by working it that way, must times they don't have that much. I talk to people at the goodwills that I meet there and give them one of my cards my wife made. These cards id me as a Computer Collector and gives my home phone and e-mail address. These cards have gotten me alot of free items. Well good luck and Keep Computing !! At 10:54 AM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >I suspect this question would be a good addition to an FAQ... > >Where do you tend to go to find classic computer equipment? Around here (Delaware) I hit garage sales (pretty slim pickin's), swap meets, Salvation Army and Goodwill. A local chemical company has a surplus disposition center that parcels out a limited number of PC and Mac systems. In addition, there's a twice-weekly Goodwill that has occasionally yielded something useful. > >Any other suggestions? > >-- Tony > >

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A few deals found

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

You,re right just s slip of the tongue, I used my first one with a northstar as it had no KB or video with it. At 07:08 PM 10/22/97 -0800, you wrote: >> 1. SOROC IQ120 for $5, this is the first monitor I purchased back 1978 for >> my Nortstar that I got for $3200 wow now a get them for 1 to 5 dollars. > >I may be remembering things wrong, but I thought a IQ120 was a terminal, >not a monitor. > >Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca) > >

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RX02 disks and S/34 disks.

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Is there a way to get a S/34 8" disk to work like an RX02 disk? I need a few more RX02s.

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Head Start Explorer

by manney＠nwohio.com

Is anyone interested in a Head Start Explorer (seems to be an XT with built-in CGA). Has a dead floppy, no hard drive. Boots up fine on ROM. manney(a)nwohio.com

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Info on a Scantron unit?

by manney＠nwohio.com

>Wow! A high schooler who's into old computers? Unless there is a >pre-pubescent teenager on this list, I think Daniel has the record as the >youngest collector of old computers. One of my customers is (I think) a Freshman; he collects old stuff. That would make him 14 or 15. Another, Steve O., just joined the group (you listening, Steve?). He's young, but I don't know how young. Not all of us are ancient.

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Kaypro 2 vs. Kaypro II

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

I just picked up a Kaypro 2 (with several missing keys) at one of the local Salvation Army stores. It won't recognize my Kaypro II disks, and it takes longer to come up with the "I cannot read your diskette" message than the Kaypro II does (when I shove MS-DOS disks in them). Is the Kaypro 2 broken, or does it use a different disk format from the Kaypro II? I notice that the startup message is different, so they must have different ROM revisions. What are the differences (other than the obvious cosmetic differences) between these two models? Thanks. Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca

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Mac Portable

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 02:03 AM 10/22/97 -0500, I wrote: >Thanks for the info! Do you know if it's positive on the inside or outside? >(either + -O)- - or - -O)- + ?) Oh fiddle. I meant to send that directly to the person I was replying to, but I goofed. Sorry. But thanks anyway to all who responded. Btw, I think that the page I quoted went a little overboard. I don't think you *have* to replace the 9volt battery with an adapter, but you can. (Duh.) Still, I saw the switch that requires removing the L-A battery cover (and presumably, you would want to remove the battery as well to run off AC?) I'll report back after trying it out. (I picked up a variable power adapter from RatShack today 'cause I've got quite a few machines missing adapters.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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FWD: Early user interface design

by bede0005＠garnet.tc.umn.edu

Hey Folks:: I found this on CSA2 newsgroup. Thought some of you in the bay area might be interested. I would LOVE to go but it's a long way from Minnesota. If anyone does attend, I would like to hear about how it was rob ======================================================================== + please forward and post as appropriate within the Bay area + Bay Area Computer History Perspectives and The Computer Museum History Center present "Early User Interface Design at Apple" Larry Tesler and Chris Espinosa Stagecast Software Apple Computer 5:30 PM, Tuesday, Oct. 28 Computer Museum History Center Building 126 Moffett Field Mt. View (directions at end) Note: if you plan to attend, please reply to Zoe Allison at 415/604-2575, or send email with your name to allison(a)tcm.org. Please indicate if you aren't a US citizen, thanks. When Larry Tesler came to Apple in 1980 from Xerox Palo Alto Research Center, he introduced user interface testing to the Lisa project. Only recently did Larry learn that Chris Espinosa had conducted Apple II user interface testing a couple of years earlier. This program will review the story of early user interface design at Apple, up to 1984, for the Apple II, the Lisa, and the Mac. Larry and Chris will be presenting original internal Apple memos and drawings from the period which have not been shown previously in public. A historic videotape will also be shown of actual Lisa user interface testing, among the earliest such tests at Apple. This program is free and open to the public. In 1980 Larry Tesler managed applications software and user interface design for the Lisa division, and later became VP and Chief Scientist at Apple. He is now president of Stagecast, a K-12 software startup. Chris Espinosa started working at Apple at the age of 14, bicycling over after school to do the weekly Apple II demos. He later worked on the original Mac design team, and recently has managed the Media Tools group at Apple. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Next program: November 12: The influence of Doug Engelbart's work over the last 30 years. These lectures are sponsored by The Computer Museum History Center and Sun Microsystems. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Directions: from highway 101 in Mt. View, take the Moffett Field exit (ignore any signs or exits for Moffett Blvd.). You will come immediately up to the Moffett Field main gate. Park to the right side of the gate, in the visitor's parking area, and go into the Visitor Office building to get a badge and further directions. Remember to call 415/604-2575, or email allison(a)tcm.org, if you plan to attend. -- Dag Spicer Manager of Historical Collections The Computer Museum History Center Moffett Federal Airfield Mountain View, CA 94035 Offices: Building T-12A Exhibit Area: Building 126 Tel: +1 650 604 2578 Fax: +1 650 604 2594 E-m: spicer(a)tcm.org WWW: http://www.tcm.org <spicer(a)tcm.org> PGP: 15E31235 (E6ECDF74 349D1667 260759AD 7D04C178)

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SCORE!

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I will have soon: A PDP-11/84. Working. It has an RL02, but no pack. And more! I do have now: A DEQNA network card. Now I just gotta get Fuzzball to build... I may have my 11/23+ up soon!

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Relative age

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

around 1984-1985, we had all apples in hi skool mostly //e's and epson fx80 printers but there were a few ][+ models in an adjoining room. i remember going to a mall once and seeing an apple ///, but was unfamiliar with it. in 1986 at a community college, they had more //e models, trs80 model 3 machines, i think, and ibm XTs with cga monitors. i never used anything else until around 1988 when i discovered a friend with an atari 800xl with the 1050 disk drive and i used that to type in programs from the magazine called compute, of which i still have the issues. david

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Relative Age

by jrbrady＠mindspring.com

Frank McConnell <fmc(a)reanimators.org> wrote: >HP brought the 2000A timeshared BASIC system out in...1967? I know >there were some (later models, 2000F and 2000 Access) still in service >at various Washington DC suburban area high schools into the early >1980s at least, maybe into the mid-1980s. Prince Georges County >(Maryland) and Fairfax County (Virginia) both had them, maybe others >too. In Orange County, California, the local community college ran an HP2000/Access system utilized by the local high schools. Each school had Digital LA36 and Lear-Siegler ADM-3A terminals connected at a blazing 300 baud. It still running at the time of my graduation in 1983. I have fond memories of the HP system, having written many pro- grams on it (including one that triggered an "OUT OF MEMORY" error... talk about the need for optimized code!) If memory serves, the beast was decommissioned several years later. Regards, Jason Brady jrbrady(a)mindspring.com Seattle, WA

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relative age

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Wow! A high schooler who's into old computers? Unless there is a <pre-pubescent teenager on this list, I think Daniel has the record as the <youngest collector of old computers. Frightening. ;-) here are some numbers If you are in highschool now: -0 PCs are known as current if highschool was x years ago: 1990 PCs and macs 1985 Apples, macs, Rainbows, PRO350s maybe some PCs 1980 s100, apple][, swtp, LSI11, micronova Microprocessor chips 1977 PDP-11, vax, nova Some LSI and bit slice 1971 PDP-8, PDP-10 TTL mostly, some utilogic and transistors FYI the main computers in the shuttle are this era technology. 1965 PDP-5 Transistors. 1960 First generation transistors, vacuum tubes 1952 first commercial machines, tubes 1947 prototypes, tubes and relays If you were like me and did electronics as a kid following on to a career then everything made from '64-65ish on was current at one time or another to me. Then again I went to the NY worlds fair 1964/5! Allison

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Apple II SCSI SW

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Does anyone know what software is required for the Apple II SCSI card?? I got the card last week from a friend of mine, but without SW. Apple's ftp site has only a "SCSI Utilities Disk", but the description says nothing about "drivers". Alltech Electronics carries a new CMS card with SW, but for $40. Seems that I should be able to get the Apple SW for less than that... Any clues appreciated! Rich Cini/WUGNET Charter ClubWin! Member MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

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387 emulators (was: Wanted:387 SX)

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

I can verify that *some* floating point functioncs (basic ones ususally ie +, -, etc) can be emulated faster than the stock 80387 or 80387sx co-processor can do them. The majority of functions can not be emulated faster though. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Uncle Roger [SMTP:sinasohn@crl.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 6:08 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: 387 emulators (was: Wanted:387 SX) > > At 05:07 PM 10/20/97 +0000, you wrote: > >> 2) I saw several emulators, but the only one I found that actually > worked > >> well, the file was called "FRANKE87" and was German in origin. It > actually > >> fooled AutoCad 10 into believing there was a co-processor chip on > my 386SX > >> and actually did speed up FP instructions (measured with CheckIt). > >Not. Autocad is processor heavy program and better unload that FP to > > >that coprocessor result in even powerful system when using the > >suitable s/w like autocad. > > IIRC, Autocad *requires* a mathco, so one has a choice of a) buying a > mathco > (used to be $$$), b) running with an emulator, or c) not running > autocad. > > As to whether the system will run faster with or without a software > mathco > emulator, I must admit, it would seem obvious that an emulator would > only > slow the system down (by using more Cpu time to handle the emulator > than > going straight to the CPU -- kinda like buying direct from the mfr and > eliminating the middleman) but I cannot say that that's true without > testing it. > > The FRANKE87 program may be really good at what it does, enough to > make a > difference when compared to Intel's idea of FP math. I have to say > that if > Merch says he measured the difference and the emulator is faster, I'll > take > his word for it until proven wrong. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > O- > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen > know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California > http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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looking for northstar dos...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Is there anywhere on the net northstar* dos version 5.x for DD controllers. My archives only have the single density version. Allison

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DEC LK201 keyboard

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Several seem to have the same problem in that the 4 status <LED's all light up, but the keyboard does not respond. <Has anyone encountered this problem and repaired the <keyboard? < <Does anyone have a schematic for this keyboard that they You don't need it. There isn't much to see. Probe the board for +5 and -5 power if either is missing track it backwards. the keyboard is powered off +12v from the system and there is a +5v regulator on the board (7805, TO220) if that's ok then check for -5v(or so) on the RS423 driver chip(9636). If that's there then probe the 8051 for valid reset and crystal osc running. There isn't much to them and the key is the 8051 microprocessor, if it's fried then look for a keyboard that's mechanically trashed. Coffee, mechanical damage and ESD are the common failure mode. Allison

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Relative age

by rcini＠email.msn.com

In 83-85 (high school), we had mostly Apple IIs, and a DEC dot-matrix terminal to access a time-shared computer somewhere. In Jr. High (81-83), we used mostly Commodore PETs (mostly the 4016 and 4032). AFAIR, there were no Tandys or Ataris Rich Cini/WUGNET Charter ClubWin! Member MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

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VINTAGE COMPUTER FESTIVAL WRITE-UPS

by dastar＠wco.com

Ok, time for those write-ups to start pouring in. I understand if you didn't have time to do it but could you let me know if you were supposed to do one but didn't so that I can plan appropriately? Thanks! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Info on a Scantron unit?

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

(disclaimer: it has a 6502 in it, so its kind of a computer B^} ) Anyone out there have any information / docs. on a Scantron model 888mc 'Test Scorer'? -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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olivetti M20

by bigi＠univ-avignon.fr

hey, sorry but my english is very bad. I found the address http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/classiccmp/1997-08/msg00233.html I have a Olivetti M20D (with - processor Z8001, - floppy disk 5'1/4, - hard disk - 160 Ko (i think 128 + 32) - a printer I haven't undertood if you have an identic machine or if you found this. I know some commands to use it, like : - vf (volume format) with 0: or 10: (floppy or hard disk) - vl (volume list), - etc... If you have some information about this computer, ... you can say these ... You can consult my home'page at : http://taln.univ-avignon.fr:8080/personnel/bigi.html Bye... and sorry if i haven't undertand what you wanted. -- ---------------------------- | Brigitte Bigi | | Laboratoire d'Informatique | | C.E.R.I. | | 339, ch. des Meinajaries | | 84911 AVIGNON Cedex 9 | | 04.90.84.35.25 | | bigi(a)univ-avignon.fr | ----------------------------

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Mac Portable

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 04:23 PM 10/10/97 -0700, you wrote: >The battery charger is just 9VDC, but I hope you have a functional >battery, since the Mac Portable will not run on the battery charger. >There is no AC adapter. The batteries are lead-acid and tend to >deteriorate over time. Eventually all of these machines will stop >working. Thanks for the info! Do you know if it's positive on the inside or outside? (either + -O)- - or - -O)- + ?) I found a web page that says you can bypass the battery by replacing the 9v with a battery eliminator and removing both the lead acid batt and its cover. If I can find a power supply, I'll give it a try (since I think my battery is hosed.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Osborne I

by sinasohn＠crl.com

Just an FYI... An Osborne 1 is on the block at ebay -- current bid is $42. I've got my fair share or I would be bidding on it... http://206.79.255.82/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1144704 --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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RE-PC Stuff

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

For those of you in Washington state (Puget Sound area), RE-PC currently has a good assortment of classic stuff in their 'as-is, where-is' department, including at least a pair of Commodore 64's. They're located south and slightly east of the Kingdome, 1565 6th Ave. south, about two blocks north of Holgate on 6th. They may be reached locally at (206) 623-9151. I'd suggest a visit before the end of the year. They tend to do these big purges every so often. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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relative age

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 10:52 PM 10/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >1985 Apples, macs, Rainbows, PRO350s maybe some PCs > >1980 s100, apple][, swtp, LSI11, micronova Microprocessor chips Actually, ca. 1980-83, I had access to a DEC PDP-11/70 (RSTS/E), PC's, Atari 800's, TRS-80 ModIII, and maybe a couple others. But I think computers may have been a little more prevalent here in San Francisco. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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relative age

by fmc＠reanimators.org

allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) wrote: > if highschool was x years ago: > 1980 s100, apple][, swtp, LSI11, micronova Microprocessor chips > 1977 PDP-11, vax, nova Some LSI and bit slice ... HP 3000 Series II. Well, that's what we had at my high school in 1977. Sometime along about 1980 it got upgraded to a Series III. Micros weren't in the schools in 1977 but some of us were aware of them (I used to hang around the Radio Shack and poke at the TRS-80). HP brought the 2000A timeshared BASIC system out in...1967? I know there were some (later models, 2000F and 2000 Access) still in service at various Washington DC suburban area high schools into the early 1980s at least, maybe into the mid-1980s. Prince Georges County (Maryland) and Fairfax County (Virginia) both had them, maybe others too. ... We had a mark-sense reader way back then in 1977. An HP 7260A, hooked up as a pass-through device between the terminal and the 3000, but the 3000 had some special "driver" software (in the form of the FCARD intrinsic, which sent the right escape sequences down the wire to get the card reader to Do Stuff). We used it daily to "run attendance": each student had an associated IBM card, and the homeroom teacher would send the cards for absent students to the office. Read cards into disc file, run programs to generate report (print report on continuous-form ditto paper with tractor holes) and update database with attendance information. We also used it twice quarterly to do progress reports (mid-quarter) and report cards (end of quarter). These used mark-sense forms that were pre-printed, then printed in the line printer, then sent out to the schools and teachers where they were torn apart along their perfs, marked, folded, spindled, mutilated, and sent back for reading. Note that bit about being torn apart along perfs. Feed a few thousand of these through (the 3000 at our site did processing for about a dozen schools) and the torn perfs leave lots of paper dust all over in the reader. Twice a quarter, we used to have to call the CE to come out, take ours half apart, and vacuum all the paper dust out so we could read the attendance cards. After I graduated I found that they'd replaced the 7260As with Scan-Tron readers. I saw one once but, well, it's been 14 years or so and I didn't really look at how it plugged in -- given that they had it talking to the 3000 somehow I would bet that it did RS-232. I think I remember being told that they had had to write some software to deal with it, but I guess that wasn't too big a deal as they had also changed the mark sense forms, from two that would fit down a slot designed for IBM cards to one that was wider and didn't need to be kept synchronized with a partner. -Frank McConnell

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finally found: Your Computer

by mhop＠mail.snip.net

---------- > From: thedm <thedm(a)sunflower.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: finally found: Your Computer > Date: Saturday, October 04, 1997 12:00 AM > > I'll take it Oh, sorry it took so long to reply. I had 5 people reply within minutes, so I gave it to the first person. His email was only 2 minutes earlier than the next. :) sorry. mhop(a)snip.net

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Info on a Scantron unit?

by BROBSTONA＠wartburg.edu

>Wow! A high schooler who's into old computers? Unless there is a >pre-pubescent teenager on this list, I think Daniel has the record as the >youngest collector of old computers. Well, he beats me by two years for age (I'd guess), but when did he *start*? -- Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu ***NEW URL BELOW*** http://www.wartburg.edu/people/docs/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College as a whole.

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387 emulators (was: Wanted:387 SX)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 05:07 PM 10/20/97 +0000, you wrote: >> 2) I saw several emulators, but the only one I found that actually worked >> well, the file was called "FRANKE87" and was German in origin. It actually >> fooled AutoCad 10 into believing there was a co-processor chip on my 386SX >> and actually did speed up FP instructions (measured with CheckIt). >Not. Autocad is processor heavy program and better unload that FP to >that coprocessor result in even powerful system when using the >suitable s/w like autocad. IIRC, Autocad *requires* a mathco, so one has a choice of a) buying a mathco (used to be $$$), b) running with an emulator, or c) not running autocad. As to whether the system will run faster with or without a software mathco emulator, I must admit, it would seem obvious that an emulator would only slow the system down (by using more Cpu time to handle the emulator than going straight to the CPU -- kinda like buying direct from the mfr and eliminating the middleman) but I cannot say that that's true without testing it. The FRANKE87 program may be really good at what it does, enough to make a difference when compared to Intel's idea of FP math. I have to say that if Merch says he measured the difference and the emulator is faster, I'll take his word for it until proven wrong. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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CLASSICCMP digest 211

by prp＠hf.intel.com

> Program the world's first computer! "First" is always difficult, especially in computers. Here are some examples of early machines, draw your own conclusions. The Harvard Mark I was electromechanical. It was fully capable of running a complex calculation, with the program on punched card stock separate from the data. This is where the term "Harvard machine" comes from, referring to a machine where the program and data are in separate memory. The ABC (1939) was mostly electronic, including electronic storage with mechanical access. But its program was, I believe, on a plugboard. It was not as general purpose as, for instance, the Mark I. The Colossus (1944?) was all electronic. It was very special purpose and barely if at all programmable. The Eniac (1946) was all electronic and general purpose. It was programmed by plugging. It and the Harvard Mark I were decimal and a lot like a bunch of adding machines cobbled together. The SSEM (1948) was all electronic and general purpose (but extremely small.) It was a true stored program machine. It was also binary. The Univac I (1950) was all electronic, general purpose and generally useful (and also decimal.) It was a commercially available computer, unlike all the previous ones. Paul Pierce

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items available..

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i'm organizing command central here some ,and have a few things that *might* be useful to someone else. epson equity I user's guide. i'm a big fan of original documentation and shipping materials that things came in so i have two empty boxes available. the first is for a tandy cm11 monitor and the second is for an apple imagewriter I which i'm using to store 10 meg bernoulli carts at the moment, lol. i dont have the foam packing material though. message me before it all gets round filed one day. david

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Wanted:387 SX

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

> Right now I'm using this checkit 3.0 to debug a motherboard because I > am trying to get it into turbo mode by keyboard, It's Nec Powermate > 386 33i (386dx 33 cached all in one board). What is the key combo > to enable turbo? It's Phoenix bios. I think Phoenix bioses use Ctrl-Alt-KeypadMinus. Perhaps that's Ctrl-Shift, and perhaps it's KeypadPlus. This is what I seem to remember, though. -- Ben Coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu Station Manager, KDIC 88.5 FM CBEL: Xavier OH http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley

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FWD: Manchester Baby Programming Competition

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> > Program the world's first computer! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >The world's first computer program was run on June 21st 1948 on the > >"baby" Mark1 at Manchester. As part of the celebrations to mark the 50th > >.... > > Could some of the list members with more historical knowledge comment > on this? I thought the first "electronic digital computer" was the ABC - > Atanasoff Berry Computer from 1939. This was verified in some high > powered patent cases in '73 and '74, that concluded Sperry-Univac could > not claim patents for the ideas from thier Univac machine ("43 or '44?). > Honneywell, CDC, IBM, and others did not want to pay royalties to Sperry. > The Sperry machine is the first "commercial" machine that was offered for > sale. Are you _sure_ the ABC was electronic? I was under the impression that the 1930s machines were all (almost all?) relay computers. Konrad Zuse is the pioneer whose name is oft mentioned here... As I see it, the sequence of events is as follows: The 1940s saw the valve (vacuum tube) computers begin to emerge - in some order (still in debate) ENIAC, Univac and the hush-hush British project, Colossus (hush-hush because it was part of the war effort), all appeared in 1943 I think. Colossus currently claims to have been first, but it is hard to verify with all the wartime secrecy that surrounded it. The Manchester machine claims to be the first _stored program_ machine. It was the first electronic computer, and I think also the first computer, to hold its software in main memory. It was far too small for this to be sensible - the purpose was to demonstrate the principal of it with a view to using similar hardware and software designs on larger machines in the future. All previous machines had a main store for data, and a programming panel for patch leads etc. to hold instructions. Soon after the Manchester machine ran, the EDSAC project in Cambridge pulled ahead with a large scale stored program (Von Neumann) machine. Professor Wilkes, who ran this project, said in one talk he gave that they had wanted to include floating point in EDASC, since it was already available on many relay computers, but this had to wait until a later design... Philip.

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Manchester Computer

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote : > Are you _sure_ the ABC was electronic? I was under the impression that > the 1930s machines were all (almost all?) relay computers. Konrad Zuse > is the pioneer whose name is oft mentioned here... > > As I see it, the sequence of events is as follows: > > The 1940s saw the valve (vacuum tube) computers begin to emerge - in > some order (still in debate) ENIAC, Univac and the hush-hush British > project, Colossus (hush-hush because it was part of the war effort), all > appeared in 1943 I think. Colossus currently claims to have been first, > but it is hard to verify with all the wartime secrecy that surrounded > it. All the "computers" prior to the Manchester machines did not store their programs in memory, they are more accurately termed sequence controlled calculators. The Univac came later, it was actually first delivered in 1951, just a month or so after Ferranti delivered the first commercial computer, the Mark I to Manchester University in February 1951 - and no I don't remember that particular event personally ;-). > The Manchester machine claims to be the first _stored program_ machine. > It was the first electronic computer, and I think also the first > computer, to hold its software in main memory. It was far too small for > this to be sensible - the purpose was to demonstrate the principal of it > with a view to using similar hardware and software designs on larger > machines in the future. All previous machines had a main store for > data, and a programming panel for patch leads etc. to hold instructions. Again yes, the Manchester machine had a main memory of 32 words each of 32 bits, it had one accumulator and an instruction set of only 6 instructions. It was built in 1948 to prove the reliability of the Williams tube storage system. The very same hardware was then extensively developed into a fully fledged computer over the next two years. Ferranti, under a government contract, built 6 or 7 production versions, the first of which went to Manchester as stated above. > Soon after the Manchester machine ran, the EDSAC project in Cambridge > pulled ahead with a large scale stored program (Von Neumann) machine. > Professor Wilkes, who ran this project, said in one talk he gave that > they had wanted to include floating point in EDASC, since it was already > available on many relay computers, but this had to wait until a later > design... Indeed, the interests of the Manchester team were in the hardware design, the Cambridge team were more interested in the programming and uses of computers. So while Manchester developed hardware technologies, Cambridge developed software. Manchester has a long and illustrious history of firsts in the computing area. As well as the first working stored program electronic computer, they were the first to incorporate index registers, the first working transistor computer, and the first virtual memory. That is not to say that others were not working on the same or similar lines, its just that Manchester managed to get there first, sometimes by just a month or two. More info about the Manchester machines and the rebuild project at <http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/CCS/ssem/ssemhome.htm> -- Hans B. Pufal : <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com> Comprehensive Computer Catalogue : <http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/> _-_-__-___--_-____-_--_-_-____--_---_-_---_--__--_--_--____---_--_--__--_

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FWD: Manchester Baby Programming Competition

by kevan＠heydon.org

Just thought people here might be interested... ------- Forwarded Message Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:19:31 GMT From: chris(a)envex.demon.co.uk (Chris.P.Burton) Reply-To: chris(a)envex.demon.co.uk To: history-of-computing-uk(a)mailbase.ac.uk Subject: Manchester Baby Programming Competition Program the world's first computer! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The world's first computer program was run on June 21st 1948 on the "baby" Mark1 at Manchester. As part of the celebrations to mark the 50th anniversary of this event next year, we are holding a competition to program the machine. The winner will have the opportunity to run their program on the replica of the original machine. For details of your chance to program the World's First Stored Program Computer, see http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/prog98/ Information on the 1998 celebration in general is at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/mark1/ Please forward this information to anybody you know who might be interested - i.e. anybody you know with an interest in computing! - -- Chris P Burton - A member of the Computer Conservation Society ------- End of Forwarded Message

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"VX/PC"

by marcw＠lightside.com

I saw this in the Linux-8086/ELKS mailing list. Anyone know about this card? Thanks, Marc ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Anyone ever heard of a a "VX/PC" card? I got one today >from a junk bin, there are two full length 8 bit ISA cards connected together; one is marked "VX/PC processor card" and has an 80188 and some ROM and other chips, and the other is "VX/PC memory card" and has a whole bunch of DRAMs. There is another board attached to one of them marked "16.8 million color board" even. Any suggestions? I have not tried installing one and seeing what comes out the video output yet. thanks, Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, StudIEAust hamish(a)debian.org, hmoffatt(a)mail.com Student, computer science & computer systems engineering. 3rd year, RMIT. http://hamish.home.ml.org/ (PGP key here) CPOM: [***** ] 56% Your train has been cancelled due to defective government at Spring Street..

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Osborne Executive Boot Disk

by CHOLSTROM＠HNTB.com

Does anyone have and Osborne Executive that will make a boot disk for my machine? Please.. I have a complete set of Kaypro 10 original distribution software reload disks if anyone would like these..

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Wanted:387 SX

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Whatever the coprocessor for the 386 SX was, does anyone have one? < <I heard that (at one time) there was a software emulator for a <coprocessor...anyone ever heard of it? the numeric coprocessor is the 387. Software emulator? What that would be is code in the application to perform those operations. there was a package I believe that was loaded to enable programs that expect the 387 to run but emulation is very slow compared to the real thing. A faster alternative is to run the version of the program that didn't require the 387. 387s are still available and common enough. Allison

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Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

Due to network problems, anyone who send me e-mail this weekend saying "I want one", please resend as I did not get it (or any other mail). -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Pritchard [SMTP:MPritchard@EnsembleStudios.com] > Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 2:47 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: RE: Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition > > To help with questions I've asked, here's some info the Hard Drive > Bible > book. > ----- > It says July, 1996. It seems to cover older drives, up to the first > one > and two gig drives. in the "hard drive peramters" chapters for > example: > > Alps America: 8 entries from 10 to 212 MB, > Ampex: 4 entries, 5, 10, 15 , and 20 mb, > Areal tech: 6 entries, 62 to 136mb (all IDE 2.5" notebook drives) > .. > BASF: 5 entires, 23, 15, 8, 10, 21mb (all MFM) > > etc... > > It's a bit PC centric. > > Major chapters: > History of Disk Drives > Interface Standards > PRML tehcnology > Enhanced IDE > SCSI command reference > What is SCSI-3? > SCA Hot plugs > PCI interface > Choosing a Hard Drive and Controller > Controller Setup and Jumpering > Drive Setup and Jumpering > Drive Cabling > Low level Formatting > DOS partitioning > Macintosh Drive Installation > Windows Drive Format > Win95 Disk Format > Novell Compsurf > Hardware Compatibility Problems > Common Installation Problems > Troubleshooting > Universal IDE parameters > Hard Drive List > Fine Tuning > Hard Drive Parameters (by manufacturer) > Controller Information (by manufacturer) > Connector Pinouts > Drive Jumpers > CD-ROM > Floppy Drives > Optical Disk Drive Technology > Optical Jukeboxes > Optical Drive Specifications > Tape Drives > CSC benchmark tests > Software > System Notes > Industry Phone List > BBS Numbers > Directory > Glossary > Index > > > > -Matt Pritchard > Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist

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Wanted:387 SX

by manney＠nwohio.com

Whatever the coprocessor for the 386 SX was, does anyone have one? I heard that (at one time) there was a software emulator for a coprocessor...anyone ever heard of it? Thanks manney(a)nwohio.com

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Tandata td2500

by v.murray＠unsw.edu.au

I recently picked up a Tandata td2500 at a London, UK car boot sale. Does anybody know what it is? It is basically a keyboard with outputs on the back for TV video, composite video, RGB (SCART), serial data, and a lead to plug into a telephone outlet. The power supply is missing and plugs into a 4 pin DIN plug - any info on voltages to use to power it up. The unit was made by Tandata UK Ltd. Also I like to hear what's available to buy - so here is a non-US version of what I picked up at a large South London car boot sale on Saturday. Epson PX-4 + cartridges (works) - 5 pounds (L) (1 pound = 1.6 $US) 2 x BBC model B (both work) - 1 L each Casio pocket computer PB-410F (no battery) - 5 L EG 2000 Colour Genie (works) - 3 L NCR PC4i - nice all-in-one unit but turned out to be IBM XT clone - 5 L old Sharp calculator - 1 L Vincent Murray Email v.murray(a)unsw.edu.au

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5250 Emulator

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> Seriously, it's a card that will allow you to connect to TwinAx devices / > systems, like an IBM AS/400. > > With the right software and that card, you can use any IBM/Clone as a > terminal to an AS/400, and some software will even allow you to use a local > parallel printer as an AS/400 printer. Hey, Guys, this is a classic computers list! Twinax terminals connect to system/34, s/36, s/38 machines (dunno about S/32 or earlier). I imagine they're only supported on AS/400 for compatibility... Philip.

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IBM 3101 terminals

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Tony Duell wrote: > You mean I'm not the olnly classiccmp member to have a space problem... No. Typical house sizes here in the UK mean that all of us UK members have it. I imagine many of the US crowd have the same problem, too. In continental Europe, typical house sizes are larger, but most people live in apartments, so goodness knows what they do! > Seriously, other than moving (or collecting pocket calculators), is there > a cure to having more computers than floorspace for them? If it's just floorspace you're worried about, you can sit them on shelves, furniture, each other... :-) But I've seen your house, so I know your problem is worse than mine, and I envy you your tolerant parents... The solution is for several people in the same area to club together and buy a warehouse, derelict factory or ex-secret wartime government research base. Even an aircraft hangar might do, although the design parameters are not optimal for computer storage. Any takers? (Central or SW England for me, London for Tony) > size - from memory, the standard ones are : > > DE9 (PC serial port, Atari joystick, etc) > DA15 (Ethernet AUI, PC games port, etc) -- The one we're talking about > DB25 (Standard RS232, PC printer port, etc) > DC37 (PC external disk port, Canon CX engine interface, etc) > DD50 (Sun SCSI port, etc) > > The high-density ones are : > > DE15 (PC VGA monitor) > DA?? (Never seen it) > DB44 (Never seen it used, but it's in the catalogues) > DC62 (PC expansion cabinet, etc) That's what I thought. Any idea what the 19 pin one on some Macintoshes is called? Philip.

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looking for northstar dos...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Doug, A copy of NS* dos on media is not as desirable as on line. The reason for this is I am debugging a suspected bad controller. In the past I've found that bad NS controllers can accidently do uncommanded writes to the disk rendering it useless. Also if thge media is DD the working SD controller I have. I do have legal copies of 4.0, 5.0 and 5.2 but single density only. An online copy or a SD disk with a copy of the DD ns* works better for debug. What I would do is to load the dos into EEprom so I can load it and execute it quickly if the controller can't. Allison <I think I do. I will have to go through several boxes to find them. Give <me a day or two to find them. < <Doug < <At 10:13 PM 10/14/97 -0400, you wrote: <> <>Is there anywhere on the net northstar* dos version 5.x for DD controllers <>My archives only have the single density version. <> <>Allison

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Write-Ups...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:10:37 -0700 (PDT) > From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> > Subject: re: VINTAGE COMPUTER FESTIVAL Write-Ups > For those who were doing write-ups for the Vintage Computer Festival > exhibition, if you could start sending those over to me I would appreciate > it. > Formats I can accept include: > Microsoft Word > Microsoft Works > WordPerfect 5/6 > ASCII > Appleworks (hey, you never know) > Please convert your document as is appropriate. > I would like to start getting the write-ups in soon so I can start editing > and formatting them. You can e-mail them to: > dastar(a)wco.com > ...in either uuencoded format or as an attachment (in the case of > non-ASCII file formats) or as straight ASCII in the body of your message. > THANKS!! > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com > ===================================================================== > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Um... I am formatting it myself, along with added scanned pictures and the like, I could convert my two Claris Works documents (1.6 meg and 884+k) to Microsoft Works but I don't think Microsoft works has a "Draw Layer" (Kinda like a DTP program) which supports linked text frames, etc. :/ I can mail you a set of what I've got when I'm back home on Wednesday though. Larry Anderson --- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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VINTAGE COMPUTER FESTIVAL Write-Ups

by dastar＠wco.com

For those who were doing write-ups for the Vintage Computer Festival exhibition, if you could start sending those over to me I would appreciate it. Formats I can accept include: Microsoft Word Microsoft Works WordPerfect 5/6 ASCII Appleworks (hey, you never know) Please convert your document as is appropriate. I would like to start getting the write-ups in soon so I can start editing and formatting them. You can e-mail them to: dastar(a)wco.com ...in either uuencoded format or as an attachment (in the case of non-ASCII file formats) or as straight ASCII in the body of your message. THANKS!! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Join Classic Computer Mailing List

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hello. I would like to join your mailing list. Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

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EETO Computer

by manney＠nwohio.com

Every XT I ever ran across (except for some Tandys) had switches on the motherboard to control no. of floopies, coprocessor, amount of memory and type of video adapter; therefore no CMOS. The battery is probably for the real-time clock. What won't it do? If you disconnect everything except one floppy, will it boot up? (hard drive info is typically kept on the HDC). manney(a)nwohio.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Manney <Manney> Date: Friday, October 17, 1997 12:35 PM Subject: EETO Computer >I have an EETO computer for which I am looking for the jumper settings >and CMOS setup entry procedure. >The system has the following specs for the motherboard: > >PCB is marked > HYUNDAI SUPER 16TE SYSTEM BOARD >ASSY E4008005701 REV PCB ICT 2 >Has 6 jumper links at front left of motherboard >Has five 8 bit slots >Has onboard battery > >It boots up with Patterson Labs Basic I/O System Version 2.00Ia >Copyrighted 1986,87 > >I'm not sure what else is needed to properly identify this motherboard. > >Hope you can point me to some info. > >Thanks, >Brendan > >

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Anyone help?

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Found on Usenet. Anyone in the UK have a VAXen looking for a home? If so, please contact this fellow directly. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- Give a good home to your VAX (or ALPHA): http://multivac.jb.man.ac.uk:8000/helbig/vms/vax.txt -- Phillip Helbig Email ... helbig(a)multivac.jb.man.ac.uk Nuffield Radio Astronomy Laboratories Tel. ..... +44 1477 571 321 (ext. 297) Jodrell Bank Fax ................. +44 1477 571 618 Macclesfield Telex ................. 36149 JODREL G UK-Cheshire SK11 9DL Web .... http://www.jb.man.ac.uk/~pjh/ My opinions are not necessarily those of NRAL or the University of Manchester. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL SUBJECT TO $500.00 PROOFREADING FEE PER ITEM SENT. SENDING ME SUCH UNSOLICITED ITEMS CONSTITUTES UNDERSTANDING AND ACCEPTANCE OF THESE TERMS. Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://www.wizards.net/technoid -- kyrrin2-At-Wizards-Dot-Net "...Spam is bad. Spam wastes resources. Spam is theft of service. Don't spam, period..."

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CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write-ups

by dastar＠crl.com

Here is the exhibition list showing the people who have currently volunteered to do informational write-ups for each system. In case you missed the first request, I am asking for help in coming up with an informational, one-page write-up that will be displayed next to each computer in the exhibition at the Vintage Computer Festival. This is so that the attendees can know what they are looking at. I am re-posting the original message with an updated listing of who so far is doing what. Many, many thanks to those who have already pledged their support!! Hello Fellow Classic Computer Collecting Nerds. If you've checked out the Vintage Computer Festival web page then you know that there will be an exhibition of over 100 computer systems as part of the event. Just having the computers without any accompanying literature would probably leave a lot of attendees wondering what it was they were looking at. Therefore, I would like to have a short, one-page write-up for each machine on display giving summary information about the machine. I figured there is probably no better resource for general and historical information on old computers than this discussion group. As you know, 100 computers is a lot. So I am asking for a favor from anyone interested. I need write-ups done for the machines which will be on display! Aside from my undying gratitude, anyone who contributes write-ups will receive a free Vintage Computer Festival 1.0 t-shirt and a free pass to the show either this year or for whatever year you will be able to make it out (this WILL be an annual event). A list of the systems on display will follow. If you would like to do some write-ups for a particular system or series of systems, please e-mail me and I will let you know if a write-up is required for that system. The write-up should ideally include: The company which created the computer The founding year of the company The year the company went out of business The founder(s) of the company What the company's main market was (ie. who was their customer?) The year the computer was developed/released How many were manufactured (if known) What computer (if any) preceded this computer What computer (if any) followed this computer What operating system(s) could it run? What language(s) if any were built-in or available for it? What kinds of peripherals were available for this computer What were the attributes of this computer What processor did it use? How many bits was it? How much memory did it come with standard? How much total memory could it be expanded to? What kind of bus architecture did it use (if any) or how could it be expanded (if at all)? Did it have a carthridge slot? What other computers was it compatible with (if any)? What peripherals were specifically available for it (if any)? Disk drives or other storage devices? Printers? Displays? Other stuff like speech synthesizers, graphics tablets, etc.? What (if any) graphics capabilities did it possess? What was the resolution (of all graphics modes)? How many colors were available? Any special features of the graphics? Any special graphics hardware? What (if any) sound capabilities did it possess? How many voices did it support? Any special features of the sound? Any special sound hardware? What other significant attributes did it feature? Again, it would be ideal to have all this information, but it is not mandatory. I realize that some stuff is just a mystery. Hopefully having Vintage Computer Festival's will clear up these mysteries by getting the information flowing about old computers. If you would like to contribute a write-up, please e-mail me with what you want to contribute. Thanks!!! (list to follow below) MANUFACTURER PRODUCT MODEL WRITEUP ---------------------------- --------------------------- ------------ -------- Altos Apple Computer Apple /// A3S2 S.Ismail Apple Computer Apple //c A2S4100 S.Ismail Apple Computer Apple IIe A2S2064 S.Ismail Apple Computer Apple IIe A2S2128 S.Ismail Apple Computer Apple ][ A2S0016 S.Ismail Apple Computer Apple ][+ A2S1048 S.Ismail Apple Computer Lisa 2 Apple Computer Macintosh Plus M0001A Apple Computer Macintosh M0001 Atari Atari 1040ST 1040STF Atari Atari 1200XL Home Computer 1200XL Atari Atari 130XE 130XE Atari Atari 400 Home Computer 400 Atari Atari 520ST 520ST Atari Atari 600XL Home Computer 600XL Atari Atari 800 800 Atari Atari 800XL 800XL Atari Falcon 030 Callan Data Systems Unistar 300 Commodore Amiga A1000 B.Damage Commodore Amiga A500 B.Damage Commodore CBM 2001 Series PET 2001-32 L.Anders Commodore Commodore 64 64 L.Anders Commodore Commodore 64 Personal Compu 64C L.Anders Commodore Commodore 128 128 L.Anders Commodore Commodore Plus/4 Plus/4 L.Anders Commodore PET 4016 L.Anders Commodore PET 4032 L.Anders Commodore PET 8032 L.Anders Commodore VIC 20 Computer VIC 20 B.Damage Compaq Portable CompuPro 8/16 Computer Power & Light Compal 80 Minicomputer Corona Data Systems M18P-2 Corvus Concept Cromemco Z2 Computer System Data General Data General One 2514A Epson Geneva PX-8 Epson Portable Computer HX-20 Exidy Inc. Sorcerer Computer B.Damage Fortune Systems Corporation 32:16 Forward Technologies Sun 1 Clone GCE Vectrex Heath H8 Heath Hero I Hewlett-Packard Computer HP3000/37 F.McConn Hewlett-Packard Computer HP85A F.McConn Hewlett-Packard Computer HP86B F.McConn Hewlett-Packard Portable HP110 F.McConn Hewlett-Packard Portable Plus F.McConn Hewlett-Packard Integral PC HP9000/207 F.McConn Hewlett-Packard Workstation HP9000/520 F.McConn Hewlett-Packard Computer HP9915 F.McConn IBM 3270 Personal Computer 5271 IBM Personal Computer 5150 IMSAI Manufacturing Corporat IMSAI 8080 Microcomputer Sy Interact Micro Video Intertec Data Systems SuperBrain II Kaypro Corporation Kaypro New 2 Macintosh 128 Mattel Electronics Aquarius 5931 Mindset Mindset Morrow Designs MDT 60 Morrow Designs Pivot Portable Non-Linear Systems, Inc. Kaypro II North Star Computers Horizon A.Parent OSI C4P MF Olivetti M10 Osborne Computer Corporation Executive Osborne Computer Corporation Osborne 1 Osborne Computer Corporation Osborne 3 Osborne Computer Corporation Vixen PMC Inc. PMC 81 Processor Technology Corp. SOL 20 Quest Electronics Super Elf Radio Shack TRS-80 Model I C.Coslor Radio Shack TRS-80 Model III C.Coslor Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 100 R.Merch Radio Shack TRS-80 64K Color Computer 2 26-3127B R.Merch Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer 2 26-3027 R.Merch Radio Shack TRS-80 Micro Color Computer MC-10 R.Merch Radio Shack TRS-80 Micro Computer Syste 26-1006-1 R.Merch Radio Shack TRS-80 PC-1 SWP Microcomputer Products ATR8000 SWTP 6800 SWTP 6809 Sanyo MBC-550 MBC-550 Sinclair ZX80 ZX80 H.Pufal Sinclair ZX81 Personal Computer ZX81 H.Pufal Sun Microsystems Workstation 2/50 Synertek VIM-1 Tandy TRS-80 Model 2000 26-5103 Tandy Tandy 1000EX 25-1050B Tandy Tandy 100HX Personal Comput 25-1053A Televideo TS1603 Texas Instruments 99/4A Computer PHC004A Texas Instruments Silent 700 745 Portable Timex Computer Corporation Timex-Sinclair 1000 M 330 H.Pufal Timex Computer Corporation Timex-Sinclair 1500 H.Pufal Toshiba T1000 PA7027U Vector Graphics Inc. Vector 1 Victor Technologies, Inc. Victor 9000 412 Video Technology Ltd. Laser 50 C.Coslor Visual Computer Inc. Commuter COMMUTER US Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Allright Experts

by thedm＠sunflower.com

If I wanted to get a hold of a european computer, 220v, 50hz PAL with RBG, then? 1) would it work an an RGB monitor. 2) if the machine just used a poweradapter like 9v, like the old atari's is the 50/60hz thing that critical? Im looking into a Spectrum128, or Russian Scorpion. What do you all think?

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Allright Experts

by dwalterm＠ix.netcom.com

On 10/15/97 11:03:10 you wrote: > >If I wanted to get a hold of a european computer, 220v, 50hz PAL with RBG, >then? > >1) would it work an an RGB monitor. > >2) if the machine just used a poweradapter like 9v, like the old atari's is >the 50/60hz thing that critical? > >Im looking into a Spectrum128, or Russian Scorpion. > >What do you all think? > > I can share my personal experience.... I have a Spectrum +2 here in the United States. It works fine. For power I use a small 110/220 inverter available from places like Jameco and JDR. That allows me to use the original power supply. The Spectrums also can work off a standard 9 volt wall wart. Some models use over 1 amp so its more like a wall brick. For video a normal RGB monitor like the Magnavox RGB-80 (Many Commodore versions 1084,1902,etc) works fine. If you are a Sinclair fan, the video pinout is exactly the same as the Sinclair QL (8 pin din). The 50/60 Hz "thing" doesn't matter. Please be aware there are very few Spectrums with RGB output. The +2 is one model. The Spectrum 128 also is supposed to have RGB output but I have not seen one. I also have seen regular Spectrums (48k and the Spectrum+) in use over here in the US. To do that you need to convert the output to RGB. A product called the Spectrum RGB output module by Adapt electronics does exactly that. Good luck finding one. Our local Sinclair group has one. After a lot of investigation it was determined that power supply voltages have to be right on the money for it to work. Another alternative is a DIY project that is posted on some Spectrum web pages. Good luck with the schematic and documentation (all in German!). I'd be very interested in your progress. Don Walterman dwalterm(a)ix.netcom.com

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CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write-ups

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 10:11 PM 10/13/97 +0000, you wrote: >OK, even if it is the second (third, etc.) most sold computer in the >world it is still one of the most popular ever produced and it does not >excuse the complete lack of interest that it gets in the States. USA is There is no excuse needed. People buy/use/collect what they know. Here in the US, we know about C64's and such. People in the states don't collect british coinage much either. They collect what they know. Thanks to the net, however, we can find out more about other computers/countries easily. By all means, tell us about Spectrums, and why we should think they're better than commodores. Sinclair certainly didn't bother to tell us about them. In exchange, we'll be happy to tell you about US computers you may not have heard of. >NOT the centre of the world, you know. Spectrum clones have been Actually, for me anyway, it is. I live here. (and, btw, probably for the VCF, which, coincidentally, is taking place in the US.) (But next year, I'll probably be travelling to the UK for Billing '98 (the 50th) when I'll pick up some Sinclairs!) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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EETO Computer

by brensue＠ois.net.au

I have an EETO computer for which I am looking for the jumper settings and CMOS setup entry procedure. The system has the following specs for the motherboard: PCB is marked HYUNDAI SUPER 16TE SYSTEM BOARD ASSY E4008005701 REV PCB ICT 2 Has 6 jumper links at front left of motherboard Has five 8 bit slots Has onboard battery It boots up with Patterson Labs Basic I/O System Version 2.00Ia Copyrighted 1986,87 I'm not sure what else is needed to properly identify this motherboard. Hope you can point me to some info. Thanks, Brendan

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5250 Emulator

by bmpete＠swbell.net

I have a short 8-bit PC card labeled "5250 EMULATOR". It has a big 1.5" X 1.5" chip labeled 02F8059ESD, a smaller .5" X .5" chip labeled 7378945ESD, a 6264 8KB SRAM, 5 misc. chips, a 32MHZ xtal, assorted discrete components a 8-position DIP switch, and a DB-15M connector on the back. The $64.00 question: What is it? _______________ Barry Peterson bm_pete(a)ix.netcom.com Husband to Diane, Father to Doug, Grandfather to Zoe and Tegan.

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altair 8800

by HenryYar＠worldnet.att.net

> Hello, > I've got an old Altair i bought back in '76 as a kit. I was using it up > 'till about '86 when I decided to get a "better" system. This past year i > decided to restore it, but have misplaced my documentation. Does anyone > have the old MITS documentation, or know where it can be obtained? thanks > in advance > Henry Yarborough

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Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

To help with questions I've asked, here's some info the Hard Drive Bible book. ----- It says July, 1996. It seems to cover older drives, up to the first one and two gig drives. in the "hard drive peramters" chapters for example: Alps America: 8 entries from 10 to 212 MB, Ampex: 4 entries, 5, 10, 15 , and 20 mb, Areal tech: 6 entries, 62 to 136mb (all IDE 2.5" notebook drives) .. BASF: 5 entires, 23, 15, 8, 10, 21mb (all MFM) etc... It's a bit PC centric. Major chapters: History of Disk Drives Interface Standards PRML tehcnology Enhanced IDE SCSI command reference What is SCSI-3? SCA Hot plugs PCI interface Choosing a Hard Drive and Controller Controller Setup and Jumpering Drive Setup and Jumpering Drive Cabling Low level Formatting DOS partitioning Macintosh Drive Installation Windows Drive Format Win95 Disk Format Novell Compsurf Hardware Compatibility Problems Common Installation Problems Troubleshooting Universal IDE parameters Hard Drive List Fine Tuning Hard Drive Parameters (by manufacturer) Controller Information (by manufacturer) Connector Pinouts Drive Jumpers CD-ROM Floppy Drives Optical Disk Drive Technology Optical Jukeboxes Optical Drive Specifications Tape Drives CSC benchmark tests Software System Notes Industry Phone List BBS Numbers Directory Glossary Index -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist

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Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

Just making public a catalog of what reference material you have would be great for someone searching. Meybe we need to start a classic documentation server or something like that. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Shoppa [SMTP:shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca] > Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 3:10 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition > > > Well, they do say that they solicit input from their readers on what > to > > add for the next edition. (for instance they added the SCSI command > set > > reference section in this edition). If it doesn't document 90% of > the > > drives you use regularly, and those drive are not new to the last 5 > > years (hey, this is the _classic_ computer mailing list) then how > about > > doing one of two things: > > > > (1) let them know what they are missing and give constructive advice > on > > how to make the 9th edition better, or > > This seems unlikely, as the number of PC-clone boxes with SMD drives > on them can probably be counted on one hand. PC-clone SMD controllers > are exceedingly rare. > > > (2) Start your own reference information project > > Not a bad idea. I've got complete tech manuals for things like > Fujitsu > 2322's, 2333's, and Eagles (M2351A's) and Super Eagles (M2361A's), but > they're about 1000 pages each. > > Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)

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Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by manney＠nwohio.com

I'll take a couple, please, if you're taking orders. I saw them at $30, but all I need are jumper settings sections. EZDrive (which comes with WD Hard Drives) is a good reference, has jumper settings and other neat stuff. Tell me how much you want for your time and shipping, and I'll send you a check. Thanks for offering. Manney(a)nwohio.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Manney <Manney> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 1997 6:08 PM Subject: Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition >I picked up a copy of this book, as it seems quite handy. It has lots >of info on older, long since discontinued drives. > >The local MicroCenter here in Dallas has a giant pile of them for >something like $5 each; it says list $49.99 so this may be a bargain. >If there is any interest, I could pick up a few to send elsewhere. > >-Matt Pritchard >Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > > > >

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4 BBC micros (not guarenteed working) going begging

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

In case someone on that side of the pond is interested... In alt.folklore.computers, slavins(a)hearsay.demon.co.uk.NOJUNK (Simon Slavin) wrote: >For a few days I'll hold on to four BBC model Bs which are about to >be thrown away by a local school. I don't guarentee they all work >(though they did last time they were turned on) and you'll have to >arrange pickup from the North London area. >Simon. >-- >Simon Slavin -- Computer Contractor. | The mind abhors a vacuum. Without > http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk | facts, they'll fill their heads with >Check email address for spam-guard. | fantasies. >Junk email not welcome at this site. | -- Jonathan Kellerman: _Time Bomb_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

Well, they do say that they solicit input from their readers on what to add for the next edition. (for instance they added the SCSI command set reference section in this edition). If it doesn't document 90% of the drives you use regularly, and those drive are not new to the last 5 years (hey, this is the _classic_ computer mailing list) then how about doing one of two things: (1) let them know what they are missing and give constructive advice on how to make the 9th edition better, or (2) Start your own reference information project Either way, we need to preserve the knowledge. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Shoppa [SMTP:shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca] > Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 11:34 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition > > > The Hard drive Bible?...Oh it strikes me in my brain... > > > > Do you mean that book that is filled with hard drives from A to Z > > with FULL doc on each for jumpers than what most others shown? > > Actually, the quality of information in the editions I've seen is > quite > a hodgepodge. And it has *no* documentation on 90% of the drives that > I use regularly. So I look at it with a good amount of disdain, as it > doesn't come close to doing what the cover claims. (But that's true > with many things in life... and even more true of computers > recently!) > > > I have a Micropolis scsi hd needing proper setting up and LLF'ed as > > it's not set up right previously. Right now it's resisting anything > > > unless there is a proper way. > > > > model 1684-7. It's 340MB regular SCSI. > > Have you - say - tried contacting Micropolis? > > ftp://techsupport.micropolis.com/pub/files/SPECS/1680spec.txt is > what you want. > > > And I am looking for how to make custom terminator resistor array. > > I assume you're referring to RN9, a 20-pin 220/330 network? I've > always gotten them in the past by calling Micropolis at > 1-818-709-3325. > But if you want to make your own, and have access to a 20-pin header, > it's pretty simple: > > Pin 10 is ground, Pin 20 is Vcc, and pins 1-9 and 11-19 consist > of a 220 ohm resistor to Vcc and a 330 ohm resistor to ground. > > Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)

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Rescue Required - San Diego, CA

by pjoules＠enterprise.net

>If people are interested in this class of machines, I've got 4 >VS2000's currently being used as doorstops. [Snip] > (near Vancouver) If only I could drive there from the UK to fetch them :-) Regards Pete #include <std_disclaimer>

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Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

At 04:53 PM 15/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >I picked up a copy of this book, as it seems quite handy. It has lots >of info on older, long since discontinued drives. > >The local MicroCenter here in Dallas has a giant pile of them for >something like $5 each; it says list $49.99 so this may be a bargain. >If there is any interest, I could pick up a few to send elsewhere. > Hell yes I would be interested, If you could pick one up for me, I'll pay shipping + cost. Reply if you can can still get them... Thanks in advance. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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