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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 2, 17:33, Max Eskin wrote: > Subject: Neural Networks > I know we discussed this earlier, so the replies can be private, if > you wish, but it seems that some people here are familiar with the > field. > > My question is this. My understanding of neural networks is a bunch > of neurons, all more or less randomly connected, with one output > and an arbitrary number of inputs; if the sum of the inputs equals > a certain predetermined level, the neuron sends a pulse on the output, > to trigger other neurons. > Could someone please complicate the picture for me? Sure :-) What you describe is not quite right; they're not usually totally randomly interconnected. If there are lots of neurons, they're usually in three layers. At least, for a "conventional" multilayer network, they are. There are various methods for adjusting the weights on the perceptron inputs, and propagating changes backwards through the network, in order to "teach" it. It's a slow process, involving a lot of repetition, large amounts of test data, and various formulae to do the back-propagation and also to determine when you've done enough teaching (which basically means deciding when you've minimised the errors). If you overteach such networks, the performance can actually decline. You can also build a single-layer network with just one neuron (they're usually called perceptrons, BTW). However, single-layer networks are restricted to distinguishing linearly-separable entities. In other words, if you plotted a scatter chart with all the possible inputs represented as dots, you could separate them into two types just by drawing a straight line through the chart. If you have more than two types, then more lines. More than two input criteria, more dimensions (and use planes etc instead of lines). The problem is, not all of the world is like that. A single layer network can't separate types if they aren't arranged in an appropriate way -- the simplest non-linearly-solvable example is the XOR problem: two types, but arranged like the pattern of 1s and 0s in an XOR truth table: 1 0 0 1 You can't draw a single line that separates the 0s from the 1s; so by definition they're not linearly seperable. You can easily do this with a multilayer network, of course. Then there are Hopfield networks. All the neurons are connected to all the others in a Hopfield network. The feedback equations get quite interesting. And Kohonen networks. You don't teach them; they learn. *What* they learn may take some figuring out... And binary networks like the one I was working with recently. You should be able to find some information about that on our Department's web server (and several other places too). http://www.cs.york.ac.uk/arch/neural/ Have I confused you yet? :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I know we discussed this earlier, so the replies can be private, if you wish, but it seems that some people here are familiar with the field. My question is this. My understanding of neural networks is a bunch of neurons, all more or less randomly connected, with one output and an arbitrary number of inputs; if the sum of the inputs equals a certain predetermined level, the neuron sends a pulse on the output, to trigger other neurons. Could someone please complicate the picture for me? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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RS 102

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

David wrote: > In a message dated 4/1/98 9:57:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, > rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: > > << I have a chance to buy a box full of Radio Shack model 102 portable > computers. None have been tested and there are no power supplies with them. > Does anyone know what voltage and polarity the external power connector > uses? And if there is any kind of self-test built-in? Can anyone give me an > idea of what these are worth? >> > > shoot, i'd love to have another tandy 102! my ac adaptor for my 102 says 6v dc > at 400 ma I'd love to have one at all! Seriously, Joe, if you get a box full, will you be putting some up for sale? > according to the little drawing on the adaptor, the inner part of the plug is > negative. outer part is positive. not sure what they're worth, but i bought That's all I'd need to know. I am quite used to building PSUs on such a spec. Or less. (Actually I'd look inside to see whether it needs to be regulated, but 6V seldom does). > mine with the accompanying battery operated cassette recorder and owner's > manual for $25. would love to find the external floppy for it. The model 100 I've seen for 100 or more UK pounds over here. I don't know what additional features were in the 102; I also don't think I could afford L100. But I'd probably pay $50 US including shipping for a model 102 without power supply. Philip. PS I'm back from Taiwan at last. Taiwan really is the most unhackish place I've been on my travels... But more to the point, I've missed most of the last 3 weeks on Classiccmp, so I may be ignorant of the context on some longer-running threads. Please forgive any silly questions that may arise...

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by pjoules＠enterprise.net

>As one facet of this, we might consider what people would do with >their old systems, if they even got the *impression* that their >private information might be read by a new owner. They might >prefer to totally destroy the machine than to take a risk like >that. > I have had an instance of this recently. At work a tape drive attached to a PC and which takes the same size casettes as my Sun386i is about to become redundant. The an accounts clerk in the department concerned has said that I will not be able to have the _drive_ because it has been used for confidential data. The fact that the data is on the _tapes_ seems to reflect on the availability of the drive! Regards Pete

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Archiving docs

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

I would like hear from anyone that has done any archiving of their classic computer documents and manuals. I'm currently using a UMAX 300P that claims a maximum 24 bit color resolution of 300x600 dpi. I'm scanning into Photoshop4 and saving in JPEG format. I'm trying to save as much information as I can, so pages that have any color besides black and white, I'm scanning at 299 (that's the max for color) dpi in RGB and and everything else in 299 dpi grayscale. I'm averaging, for 8.5 x 11 pages, about 5.3 Mb for color and 2.1 Mb for grayscale. Just last weekend I burned my first CD of docs consisting of 26 color pages and 170 B/W pages for a total of 454 Mb.( I didn't fill the CD bcause I was anxious to try printing the files at work.) I printed two of the highest detailed B/W pages (schematics) today at 400 dpi. The results were disappointing. All of the fine details were lost. I assume I need to use a higher resolution for printing. I also have quite a bit of background clutter on the printed page. I'm having no problems seeing the smallest details when I magnify the pages in Photoshop. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum =========================================

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Serial Mouse Drivers?

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hello. I know that this is semi-off-topic, but does anyone have MS-DOS mouse drivers for a Serial MS 2.0 mouse? I was trying to run some classic DOS based software, which requires a mouse, which was not included because of Windows 95... I tried running it in Windows, I get an error... Ciao, Tim D. Hotze PS-If you could just e-mail them as an attached file to photze(a)batelco.com.bh ... that would be great.

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by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 11:03 PM 3/30/98 -0800, you wrote: >I'm currently using a UMAX 300P that claims a maximum 24 bit color >resolution of 300x600 dpi. I'm scanning into Photoshop4 and saving I have the same scanner. >in JPEG format. I'm trying to save as much information as I can, so >pages that have any color besides black and white, I'm scanning >at 299 (that's the max for color) dpi in RGB and and everything else in >299 dpi grayscale. I'm averaging, for 8.5 x 11 pages, about 5.3 Mb Actually, 300 is the max without interpolation. Stuff that's truly B&W should be scanned in B&W mode. The problem is that grayscale picks up variations in print strength, smudges, etc. B&W says "This dot is more than x dark, it's black. This dot is less than x dark, it's white." >for color and 2.1 Mb for grayscale. Just last weekend I burned B&W will also save disk space. > I printed two of the highest detailed B/W pages (schematics) today >at 400 dpi. The results were disappointing. All of the fine details were The details will get smudged if you scan in grayscale. Also, print at the same dpi as you scanned; printing at a higher dpi won't do you any good, and your document will print 1/3 smaller. >lost. I assume I need to use a higher resolution for printing. I also have same as scanned. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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To restore or not to restore... (fwd)

by dastar＠wco.com

On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Scott McLauchlan wrote: > I collect home micros, and I recently acquired a Mac 128K. However, it's > been quite heavily modified with contemporary third-party add-ons. It's > been taken up to 1M RAM and it's had a SCSI interface installed. > > The memory has been taken up to 512K by removing the 64K x 1 bit RAM chips > and replacing them with 256K x 1 bit chips, plus adding a few discrete > components (not hard, considering the 128K and 512K Macs shared the same PC > board). It has then been taken up to 1M by adding a third-party 512K RAM > expansion board, which plugs into one of the RAM sockets (the chip it > displaces being installed onto the expansion board), and is connected to > the address decoding by several flying leads. > > The SCSI interface has been installed by removing the ROM chips, plugging a > daughterboard into the empty ROM sockets, and plugging the ROM chips into > the daughterboard. The SCSI socket replaces the cover over the battery in > the back of the Mac. It sounds like you have a pretty amazing Mac 128K! Why the hell would you want to tear it back down to its puny original configuration? This Mac is a testament to the expandability of a machine that no one thought expandable. LEAVE IT BE! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

Hmm, >> I collect home micros, and I recently acquired a Mac 128K. However, it's >> been quite heavily modified with contemporary third-party add-ons. It's >> been taken up to 1M RAM and it's had a SCSI interface installed. > Well from a preservation point of view, this makes a very interesting machine as it stands - probably fairly unique. Maybe the thing to do would be to collect together a bunch of 64Kx1 chips and keep them safe somewhere so that the machine could easily be restored to original condition (or as close as possible) at some point in the future, if that were necessary. Surely there's still quite a few Mac 128K's around, so they're not an endangered species yet... Just my 2p's worth (or $0.02, depending on which you prefer...) cheers Jules >

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by daniel＠bony.umtec.com

NetBSD/vax (makoto.umtec.com) (console) login: root Password: Last login: Wed Jan 7 17:31:15 on console Jan 8 14:10:57 makoto login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON console Jan 8 14:10:57 makoto login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON console Copyright (c) 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. NetBSD 1.3_ALPHA (GENERIC) #3: Sun Nov 9 18:38:01 PST 1997 Welcome to NetBSD! Terminal type? [unknown] vt100 Don't login as root, use the su command. makoto# telnet minako.umtec.com Trying 198.199.189.71... Connected to minako.umtec.com. Escape character is '^]'. VAX/VMS 5.5 on node MINAKO DEC MicroVAX 3100 - KA41-D CPU, 36Meg RAM, 760Meg Online Storage This is a private system. Unauthorized use is discouraged. With a blunt object. Username: SYSTEM Password: Welcome to VAX/VMS V5.5 Last interactive login on Saturday, 28-FEB-1998 19:41 Last non-interactive login on Friday, 11-FEB-1994 17:05 $ type SYS$UPDATE:STABACKIT.COM $ ! IDENT X-94 'f$verif y(0) $ ! $ ! $!*************************************************************************** $!* * $!* COPYRIGHT (c) 1987, 1990, 1991 BY * $!* DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION, MAYNARD, MASSACHUSETTS. * $!* ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. * $!* * $!* THIS SOFTWARE IS FURNISHED UNDER A LICENSE AND MAY BE USED AND COPIED * $!* ONLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TERMS OF SUCH LICENSE AND WITH THE * $!* INCLUSION OF THE ABOVE COPYRIGHT NOTICE. THIS SOFTWARE OR ANY OTHER * $!* COPIES THEREOF MAY NOT BE PROVIDED OR OTHERWISE MADE AVAILABLE TO ANY * $!* OTHER PERSON. NO TITLE TO AND OWNERSHIP OF THE SOFTWARE IS HEREBY * $!* TRANSFERRED. * $!* * $!* THE INFORMATION IN THIS SOFTWARE IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE * $!* AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED AS A COMMITMENT BY DIGITAL EQUIPMENT * $!* CORPORATION. * $!* * $!* DIGITAL ASSUMES NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE USE OR RELIABILITY OF ITS * $!* SOFTWARE ON EQUIPMENT WHICH IS NOT SUPPLIED BY DIGITAL. * $!* * $!* * $!*************************************************************************** $ ! $ !++ $ ! Facility: System management <SYSUPD> -- Build a standalone kit $ ! $ ! Module: STABACKIT $ ! $ ! Abstract: This command procedure builds the standalone VMS system kit $ ! for BACKUP and BAD. (S/A BAD not supported for V5.0) !*bad* $ ! $ ! Inputs: P1 - Target device $ ! P2 - Target directory, defaults to <SYS0.SYSEXE>. If target $ ! device is SYS$SYSDEVICE:, the directory is forced to $ ! <SYSE.SYSEXE> and the <SYSE> directory will be given $ ! a SYSCOMMON root which points to common system files $ ! (i.e. points to SYS$TOPSYS for normal systems and to $ ! existing SYSCOMMON for shared system disks). Forced to $ ! <SYS0.SYSEXE> for small media. $ ! P3 - Source device and directory, defaults to SYS$SYSROOT:<SYSEX E> $ ! P4 - Application kit type, one of [BACKUP, BAD] (Forced to $ ! BACKUP for V5.0) !*bad* $ ! P5 - If run from VMSKITBLD, do not INITIALIZE tape or large disk . $ ! This parameter is unsupported, for internal use only. $ ! $ ! Privileges required: SETPRV $ ! Write access to SYS$UPDATE is also required. $ ! $ ! Author: CW Hobbs (complete rewrite of V3 version) $ ! $ ! Created: 28-Oct-1983 $ ! $ ! Modified by: $ ! $ ! X-94 CTK004 Carl Kunkel 01-Oct-1991 $ ! Raise LOCKIDTBL to 127 reflecting the new SYSGEN minimum value. $ ! $ ! X-93 CTK003 Carl Kunkel 23-Sep-1991 $ ! Raise NPAGEVIR for Magetape Boot only. New configurations $ ! potentially can eat significantly into pool. $ ! Keep NPAGEDYN small so small configurations do not break. $ ! $ ! X-92 DDG066 Dean D. GAgne 05-Apr-1991 $ ! The ISL files require a file in the MFD and there is no $ ! mechanism to copy a file to the MFD so this has to be done as a $ ! separate file. The ISL files also have to have a unique name $ ! for each Version of VMS so the Version of VMS will be appended $ ! to the end of the current ISL filenames. $ ! $ ! Also added TZK11 tape support. $ ! $ ! X-91 JSSTU0019 John S. Simakauskas 5-Apr-1991 $ ! Modify mount command for TF85 to use cacheing. $ ! MOUNT /CACHE=TAPE_DATA $ ! $ ! X-90 CTK002 Carl Kunkel 04-Apr-1991 $ ! The RA60 user disk kit would not boot after the TF85 device spec ific support was added. $ ! The RA60 kit failed because the RA60 and TF85 share the same dev ice type code, # 22. $ ! The problem resolution requires: $ ! 1) TF85 code to check both the device type and device class code s. $ ! $ ! X-89 CTK001 Carl Kunkel 25-Feb-1991 $ ! The VAX 11/780 RX0X kit will not build or boot. $ ! The problem resolution requires: $ ! 1) Setting the disk overhead slop value for the RX0X case to the correct size, which is zero. $ ! 2) Clearing the file count size and total size fields in the vol ume switch code. $ ! 3) In the RX01 case force a volume switch before the CPULOA/SYSI NIT/STANDCONF files. $ ! $ ! X-76 MCY005 Mary Yuryan 18-Feb-1991 $ ! Fix Device Symbol table lengths. The "and/or" limit $ ! of 10 was exceeded. $ ! $ ! X-75 MCY004 Mary Yuryan 14-Feb-1991 $ ! Add TZ85, TZ86, TZ87 SCSI tape support. $ ! $ ! X-74 MCY003 Mary Yuryan 5-Feb-1991 $ ! Add TSZ07 & TLZ06 support. $ ! $ ! X-73U12 JSSTU0004 John S. Simakauskas 19-Dec-1990 $ ! Mickey Lane 6-Aug-1990 $ ! Added TF85 support $ ! $ ! X-73U11 KDS Ken Stumpf 5-Jul-1990 $ ! Change text to state 6 floppies are required, not 5. $ ! $ ! X-73U10 EAD0001 Elliott A. Drayton 28-Jun-1990 $ ! Change invalid expression .NEQ. to .NE. near label $ ! STA1$GET_ANOTHER_FILE. $ ! $ ! X-73U9 KAB0041 Karen Barth 27-Jun-1990 $ ! Add the capability to parse a file with a .SYS $ ! extension. $ ! $ ! X-73U8 KGW0207 Keith Walls 18-Jun-1990 16:50 $ ! Raise NPAGEDYN for tape boot (again). $ ! $ ! X-73U7 KAB0040 Karen Barth 6-Jun-1990 $ ! Change device code for TF70 from 18 to 23. Raise $ ! GBLSECTIONS to the new minimum value of 60, to get $ ! rid of informational message. $ ! $ ! X-73U6 JAY0005 John A. Ywoskus 23-Apr-1990 $ ! Print out "it may take as long as 15 minutes to copy $ ! the standalone BACKUP image to the console disk" for $ ! the VAX 9000. $ ! $ ! X-73U5 KAB0039 Karen Barth 19-Apr-1990 $ ! Fix undefined symbol. $ ! $ ! X-73U4 CDO0001 Chuck O'Toole 02-Apr-1990 $ ! Add TF70 tape support. $ ! $ ! X-73U3 JAY0004 John A. Ywoskus 01-Apr-1990 $ ! Raise NPAGEDYN and NPAGEVIR for Aquarius only, as $ ! the potentially large I/O configurations can eat $ ! significantly into pool. $ ! $ ! X-73U2 MCY002 Mary Yuryan 29-Mar-1990 $ ! Add TZK10 (QIC) tape support. $ ! $ ! X-73U1 KAB0038 Karen Barth 21-Feb-1990 $ ! Fix undefined symbol. $ ! $ ! X-73 JAY0003 John A. Ywoskus 13-Jan-1990 $ ! Look for PSEUDOLOA.EXE in SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES for $ ! the DISK_IMAGE kit, not SYS$SYSTEM. $ ! $ ! X-72 MCY001 Mary Yuryan 22-Dec-1989 $ ! Add TLZ04 (RDAT) tape support. $ ! $ ! X-71 JAY0001 John A. Ywoskus 28-Nov-1989 $ ! Minor bugfixes to Aquarius support. $ ! $ ! X-70 KAB0037 Karen Barth 8-Nov-1989 $ ! Merge TU58 fix from V5.3-1. $ ! $ ! X-69 KAB0036 Karen Barth 13-Oct-1989 $ ! Add/merge Aquarius support. $ ! Set PAGFILCNT to new minimum of 4. $ ! $ ! X-68 HH0380 Hai Huang 23-Aug-1989 $ ! Set VECTOR_PROCessing SYSGEN parameter to 0 to disable $ ! vector processing, so the VECTOR_PROCESSING.EXE image $ ! can be omitted from the standlone backup kit. $ ! $ ! X-67 KAB0035 Karen Barth 1-Jun-1989 $ ! Add support for TZ30 with new device code. $ ! $ ! X-66 KAB0034 Karen Barth 12-Apr-1989 $ ! Raise TAPE_NPAGEDYN to 800000, allow PHYSICALPAGES $ ! to be set to the default. $ ! $ ! X-65 KAB0033 Karen Barth 8-Mar-1989 $ ! Fix errors in cleanup code. $ ! $ ! X-64 KAB0032 Karen Barth 21-Feb-1989 $ ! Add P5 for VMS kit building. $ ! $ ! X-63 KAB0031 Karen Barth 17-Feb-1989 $ ! Fix EOVMS.NUL problem. $ ! $ ! X-62 KAB0030 Karen Barth 16-Jan-1989 $ ! Update media_count for RX33. Nullify any previous $ ! definitions of DELETE. $ ! $ ! X-61 KAB0029 Karen Barth 13-Jan-1989 $ ! Fix RX33 kit build. $ ! $ ! X-60 KAB0028 Karen Barth 6-Jan-1989 $ ! Raise NPAGEDYN for tape kit. Fix a bug in the system $ ! kit build. $ ! $ ! X-59 KAB0027 Karen Barth 2-Dec-1988 $ ! Make changes to support new booting rules for small $ ! console kits. This involves keeping CPULOA, $ ! STASYSGEN (alias SYSINIT) and STANDCONF together, $ ! and keeping all the drivers on the following volume. $ ! Make the RX33 a small console kit. $ ! Back out part of X-56. $ ! $ ! X-58 KAB0026 Karen Barth 28-Oct-1988 $ ! Change a .NES. to .EQS., fix up an old area that $ ! didn't have error and control Y handling, fix $ ! some error handling that never worked, re-do an $ ! old workaround for DEALLOCATE, add SYSPRV and $ ! create a symbol for the tape value for NPAGEDYN. $ ! $ ! X-57 KAB0025 Karen Barth 05-Oct-1988 $ ! Major rewrite of V5.0 version. Mainly make it table $ ! driven. Table is STABACKIT-TABLE.DAT. Also make $ ! more of the three kit build procedures into common $ ! code, replace as many GOTO constructs as possible $ ! with IF-THEN and IF-THEN-ELSE blocks. Merge $ ! Mayfair II files into table. Take out some never- $ ! referenced labels and routines. Replace all $ ! F$LOGICAL with F$TRNLNM, get rid of references to $ ! copyif_warnings and copyif, and use ORs and ANDs $ ! to make some of the assignment statements easier $ ! to read. $ ! $ ! X-56 KAB0024 Karen Barth 8-Sept-1988 $ ! Add the parameter SA_APP, and delete the now $ ! unneccessary setting of WSMAX, PHYSICALPAGES, $ ! and all the PQL parameters. $ ! $ ! X-55 MAS Mary A. Sullivan 31-Aug-1988 $ ! Merge the following 5.0-3 change: $ ! $ ! X-50U1 RNG00MF2 Rod Gamache 27-Apr-1988 $ ! Add Mayfair II support. $ ! $ ! X-54 KAB0023 Karen Barth 28-Jun-1988 $ ! Add $DECK and $EOD around SETSIZE to make it diet proof. $ ! $ ! X-53 KAB0022 Karen Barth 7-June-1988 $ ! Increased NPAGEDYN to 300032 for all disk kits. $ ! The previous value was too low to boot Calypso $ ! from a disk. $ ! $ ! X-52 KAB0021 Karen Barth 31-May-1988 $ ! Replace LMF$GROUP_TABLE.EXE with a stub. $ ! $ ! X-51 KAB0020 Karen Barth 17-May-1988 $ ! Set SETTIME for all kits. $ ! Exclude SYSLOA9CC.EXE from the RX33 kit. $ ! $ ! X-50 KAB0019 Karen Barth 20-Apr-1988 $ ! Fix deletion of VAXVMSSYS.PAR on error cleanup. Bug $ ! introduced in SLT0001. $ ! As a workaround for another problem which could, if $ ! the system crashes, cause a standalone backup $ ! VAXVMSSYS.PAR to be on the system disk, set the $ ! default directory to be SYS$MANAGER. This way, $ ! any temporary files that remain after a crash $ ! won't hurt anyone. Introduced same as above. $ ! $ ! X-49 KAB0018 Karen Barth 06-Apr-1988 $ ! Add LPDRIVER to the tape kit. $ ! $ ! X-48 KAB0017 Karen Barth 01-Apr-1988 $ ! Raise NPAGEVIR to 1000000, to allow pool expansion $ ! when booting. The problem that this fixes is that $ ! CI based Calypso's are not given enough pool to $ ! configure all their devices. $ ! $ ! X-47 KAB0016 Karen Barth 31-Mar-1988 $ ! Add LIDRIVER to the tape kit. $ ! $ ! X-46 KAB0015 Karen Barth 24-Feb-1988 $ ! Move LOCKING.EXE to the third system volume on TU58 $ ! kit to make space on second volume. $ ! $ ! X-45 KAB0014 Karen Barth 05-Feb-1988 $ ! Add percent sign to symbol deletion message. $ ! $ ! X-44 KAB0013 Karen Barth 14-Jan-1988 $ ! Adjust switch_volume on TU58 kit. $ ! $ ! X-43 KAB0012 Karen Barth 11-Jan-1988 $ ! Increase NPAGDYN on tape kit. $ ! $ ! X-42 KAB0011 Karen Barth 07-Jan-1988 $ ! Add STANDCONF.EXE to the tape kit to support TK50s on $ ! CI based Calypso/CVAX systems. $ ! $ ! $ ! X-41 KAB0010 Karen Barth 06-Jan-1988 $ ! Fix TK50 kit. Needed an exit, to get around error handling $ ! code for analyze/media in the subroutine SWITCH_VOLUME. $ ! $ ! X-40 RKK0019 Robert K. Kosakowski 05-JAN-1988 13:25 $ ! Fix positioning of SYSLICENSE.EXE so that we could move $ ! LMF$GROUP_TABLE.EXE back to the third volume. I moved $ ! SYSLICENSE from volume four to volume three and positioned $ ! it in front of LMF$GROUP_TABLE. $ ! Added LIDRIVER to the list of line printer drivers loaded. $ ! $ ! X-39 RKK0018 Robert K. Kosakowski 31-DEC-1987 10:25 $ ! Fix the positioning of file LMF$GROUP_TABLE.EXE for the media $ ! RX0x and TU58. Move them from the third volume to the fourth. $ ! $ ! X-38 KAB0009 Karen Barth 22-Dec-1987 $ ! Took out the phy_io workaround running SETSIZE (X-28) $ ! and added PHY_IO to the required set of privileges. $ ! $ ! X-37 KAB0008 Karen Barth 21-Dec-1987 $ ! Set the SYSGEN parameters PQL_MWSDEFAULT, PQL_MWSEXTENT $ ! and PQL_MWSQUOTA to 2048, to match the defaults. $ ! This fixes a problem that causes an ACCVIO when $ ! running S/A BACKUP. $ ! $ ! X-36 KAB0007 Karen Barth 04-Dec-1987 $ ! Add TSV05 support. $ ! Clean up the indentation on the copy commands. $ ! $ ! X-35 KAB0006 Karen Barth 01-Dec-1987 $ ! Removed SYSLOA65W from all kits because a decision $ ! was made not to support it. $ ! $ ! X-34 KAB0005 Karen Barth 17-Nov-1987 $ ! Add LMF$GROUP_TABLE.EXE to all kits. This is $ ! necessary for the kits to boot on systems with LMF. $ ! We intend to replace this with just a stub eventually $ ! because licensing is not needed to run Standalone $ ! Backup and this file is expected to grow quite large. $ ! Add CPULOA.EXE to all kits. This is also necessary for $ ! booting because of licensing. $ ! Add PADRIVER to the tape kit because Calypso needs it. $ ! Adjusted error path and message to reflect the proper $ ! value for POOL_REQ. This was stopping the tape kit $ ! from building with PADRIVER added. $ ! Add SYSLOA9CC to create_index. In the shuffle of $ ! various people changing STABACKIT, this was left $ ! out, which causes a boot failure. $ ! Fix RX33 build. The kit did not fit because Indexf.sys $ ! was too large, so special cased the disk initialization $ ! with the /headers qualifier instead of relying on defaults. $ ! Change the message in the RX50 kit to reflect the $ ! fact that it now requires 4 floppies instead of 3. $ ! $ ! X-33 JAE0001 Jerry Eckert 2-Nov-1987 $ ! Add Polarstar (8PS) processor support: $ ! o SYSLOA8PS and CWDRIVER on big disk kit $ ! o SYSLOA8PS on tape kit $ ! No changes were made to the small disk kitting $ ! procedure because the Polarstar console does not $ ! support devices in this category. $ ! $ ! X-31 KABA004 Karen Barth 28-Oct-1987 $ ! Fix no priv error reporting. A label was mis-named $ ! which caused the error "USGOTO, target of GOTO not $ ! found". $ ! $ ! X-30 KAB0003 Karen Barth 15-Oct-1987 $ ! Fix so TK70 is treated as a tape, not disk $ ! $ ! X-29 SLT0002 Sarah Tappan 29-Sep-1987 $ ! Add ^Y exit support while creating open_index.dat $ ! $ ! X-28 KAB0001 Karen Barth 28-Sep-1987 $ ! Fix SYS$LDR problem when upgrading from V4.x to V5.0. $ ! Add Calypso support. $ ! Exclude TVDRIVER from RX0x kits to create more space. $ ! Fix RA60/small console problem. $ ! Disallow switching to an RX33 diskette in the middle $ ! of building an RX50 kit in an RX33 device. $ ! Add phy_io to BUILD_PSEUDO_VOLUME (workaround for external $ ! bug - insufficient privilege running SETSIZE). $ ! Shuffle SWITCH_VOLUMEs so files fit on TU58s. $ ! $ ! X-27 SLT0001 Sarah Tappan 22-Sep-1987 $ ! Add support to create file OPEN_INDEX.DAT when booting $ ! from a TK50 and copy the file to tape cartridge $ ! following SYSBOOT.EXE. This file is used to avoid opening $ ! the files during the boot process and speeds up tape booting. $ ! $ ! X-26 ELM0007 Eva MacKay 25-AUG-1987 $ ! Add support for TU81 1/2 inch mag tape (treated just $ ! TK50 tape cartridge) $ ! $ ! X-25 ROW0607 Ralph O. Weber 15-AUG-1987 $ ! Add copyright notice, as a comment. $ ! $ ! X-24 KGW00122 Keith G. Walls 23-Jul-1987 17:19 $ ! Add LIDRIVER to all kits (except TK50 kit for now). $ ! $ ! X-? DBM DB Mills 23-Jul-1987 $ ! Misc changes for increasing NPAGEDYN, merging V4.6 $ ! version into V5.0 version, reordering files for V5.0 $ ! EXEC changes. Fix edit history. $ ! $ ! X-23 JTK Jim Klumpp 17-Apr-1987 $ ! Add Mayfair images. $ ! $ ! X-22 HH0270 Hai Huang 15-Apr-1987 $ ! Clear LOAD_SYS_IMAGES SYSGEN parameter to disable $ ! processing of system image data file. $ ! $ ! X-21 HH0268 Hai Huang 3-Apr-1987 $ ! Set SYSGEN MULTIPROCESSING parameter to appropriate $ ! value and put SYSTEM_SYNCHRONIZATION_UNI.EXE on the $ ! standalone system kit. $ ! $ ! X-20 BJT0073 Benjamin J. Thomas III 20-Mar-1987 $ ! Add proper RX33 support. $ ! Add DVDRIVER for VAXstar (remove comments). $ ! Shuffle RX50 floppy switch locations where necessary. $ ! $ ! X-19 HH0262 Hai Huang 19-Mar-1987 $ ! Correctly copy VMS$SYSTEM_IMAGES.DATA (use CopyTC $ ! since this is a binary file). $ ! $ ! X-18 HH0260 Hai Huang 16-Mar-1987 $ ! Add VMS$SYSTEM_IMAGES.DATA. $ ! $ ! X-17 CWH5017 CW Hobbs 24-Feb-1987 $ ! Use PSEUDOLOA instead of VMSD4. $ ! $ ! X-16 BJT0067 Benjamin J. Thomas III 18-Feb-1987 $ ! Add TVDRIVER to large system disk kit $ ! $ ! X-15 CRF001 Chris Franklin 13-Feb-1987 $ ! Remove references to MicroVMS in comments. $ ! $ ! X-14 HH0238 Hai Huang 9-Jan-1987 $ ! Add support for loadable images in a separate directory, $ ! i.e. <SYS$LDR> rather than <SYSEXE>. $ ! $ ! X-13 KGW00054 Keith G. Walls 8-Dec-1986 03:34 $ ! Make the messages reflect the number (five) of pieces of $ ! media required for TU58 and RX0x kits. $ ! $ ! X-12 KGW00053 Keith G. Walls 8-Dec-1986 03:28 $ ! Fix file-split for TU58 and RX0X kits. $ ! $ ! X-11 KGW00052 Keith G. Walls 7-Dec-1986 04:07 $ ! Generation numbers were out-of-synch because of $ ! concurrent development. $ ! $ ! X-7 KGW00048 Keith G. Walls 6-Nov-1986 00:32 $ ! Change to reflect Version 5's exec-reorg and SMP. $ ! Differences: $ ! (1) The new exec files from the split sys.exe must be $ ! copied to the kit. There is no restriction on the number $ ! of diskettes or files per volume with the following $ ! exceptions: $ ! (a) VAXVMSSYS.PAR must be on the same volume as SYS.EXE. $ ! (b) Any file loaded before SYS.EXE (boot driver, $ ! VMB.EXE, SYSBOOT.EXE) must be on the first volume. $ ! (c) Any optional files must be on the same volume $ ! as the most recently loaded mandatory file. (Not $ ! used (yet) except the special case of VAXVMSSYS.PAR). $ ! (2) SYS.EXE can no longer be split across volumes. $ ! (3) The pseudo-device method of booting is supported only $ ! for tapes. (I.e. no file may be split across volumes.) $ ! (4) Change the way that volumes are changed in this routine $ ! by calling a subroutine to do the volume switch. $ ! (5) Change all symbol assignments to global. $ ! (6) Delete all (inherited) global symbols. $ ! (7) Back-out JJO0022. $ ! Merge concurrent replacements: $ ! $ ! X-6 WCT Ward C. Travis 15-Sep-1986 $ ! Updated to build with new 410 name for VAXstar processor. $ ! $ ! X-5 CWH0005 CW Hobbs 8-Jul-1986 $ ! Support for the VAXstar. $ ! $ ! X-? JJO0022 Jay J. Olson 27-Feb-1986 $ ! Allow RX50 kits to be built in such a way that the $ ! pseudo-disk method of booting (used for TK50s) can $ ! be used. This allows the standalone backup floppy $ ! to be removed (and potentially be replaced by a $ ! floppy containing a saveset) while the backup is in $ ! progress. Also, track the SYSBOOT change which $ ! removes the need for B/20000 when booting from TK50s. $ ! $ ! X-4 CWH0004 CW Hobbs 21-Feb-1986 $ ! Place an incorrect copy of DSDRIVER on the system- $ ! specific root, so that it will not be possible to $ ! boot standalone systems from a shadow set. $ ! $ ! X-3 CWH0003 CW Hobbs 6-Feb-1986 $ ! Add pedestal support $ ! $ ! X-2 CWH0002 CW Hobbs 11-Nov-1985 $ ! Use SET SYMBOL instead of DELETE /SYMBOL. Use some $ ! dummy file for EOVMS.NUL for the TK50 kit. $ ! $ ! X-1 CWH0001 CW Hobbs 30-Oct-1985 $ ! For console kits, make a four volume kit. Add preliminary $ ! Nautilus support to the RX50 kit. Do not ask about a $ ! bad block scan on 750 console TU58s. Give the option $ ! of data checking -- done by hand because the 750 console TU58 $ ! does not reliably handle data checking in the driver, and the $ ! RX0x do not support it at all. (As long as you have to do it $ ! manually, do it for all devices -- even those which do support $ ! driver level data checking.) Remove all MicroVAX tests, the $ ! kitting procedure is driven by media type and presence of $ ! files (CopyIF it exists). $ ! $ ! V04-007 CWH4007 CW Hobbs 20-Sep-1985 $ ! For V4.3, reduce the number of headers so that TU58 $ ! kits will work. $ ! $ ! V04-006 EMB0158 Ellen M. Batbouta 07-Aug-1985 $ ! Modify this command procedure to build an RX50 kit which $ ! supports both 8200 and MicroVAX systems. $ ! $ ! V04-005 DGB0121 Donald G. Blair 31-May-1985 $ ! Omit VMB.EXE from MicroVMS standalone backup kits. $ ! $ ! V04-004 EMB0130 Ellen M. Batbouta 11-Mar-1985 $ ! Add Scorpio support. $ ! $ ! V04-003 JJO0004 Jay Olson 27-Feb-1985 $ ! Add TK50 support and provide hooks for other devices $ ! which will use the same pseudo-disk scheme. $ ! $ ! V04-002 BJT0003 B Thomas 12-Feb-1985 $ ! Add MicroVAX II support. This requires reworking the $ ! RX50 distribution scheme such that two floppies are used $ ! for the system. Remove old 1 floppy code. $ ! $ ! V04-001 CWH4001 CW Hobbs 16-Jan-1985 $ ! Make sure that the MEDIA_NAME symbol is set in a common path, $ ! so that it is always valid. Change determination of console $ ! device so that large console devices (e.g. the RL02 on the $ ! VAX8600) are properly dismounted and remounted. Consistently $ ! use international directory delimiters "<" and ">" in all $ ! directory strings. If the target disk is currently mounted $ ! /NOWRITE, double-check to verify that the user really wants $ ! to write to the disk. $ ! $ !-- $ ! $ ! Delete all global symbols inherited by the procedure. Tell the user $ ! we did this. $ ! $ DELETE == "" $ DELETE /SYMBOL /GLOBAL /ALL $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "%STABACKIT-I-SYMDEL, all global symbols deleted" $ STA0$START_TIME == F$CVTIME (,"ABSOLUTE") $ ! $ ! Set up a few symbols for later. It is simpler to preset many flags $ ! in this section than it is to verify that a flag will be set on $ ! some particular route through the procedure. Many times errors have $ ! been discovered because a flag had not been initialised under some $ ! obscure condition, and the procedure died because of that. $ ! $ FALSE == 0 $ TRUE == 1 $ ! $ ANAL_MED == FALSE $ AT_END == FALSE $ BEFORE_DRIVERS == TRUE $ CONFIG_FILE_COUNT == 0 $ CONFIG_FILES == FALSE $ BUILD_DISK_IMAGE == FALSE $ BUILD_SYSTEM == TRUE $ CBT == "" $ CHECK_FOR_VOLUME_SWITCH == "CALL STA1$CHECK_FOR_VOLUME_SWITCH" $ CMN_SYS_DIR == "" $ CONSOLE_CONNECTED == FALSE $ CONSOLE_DEVICE == FALSE $ CopySB == "CALL STA0$COPY_SB" $ CopyTC == "CALL STA0$COPY_TC" $ COPY_VER == FALSE $ CPU_780 == 1 $ CPU_750 == 2 $ CPU_730 == 3 $ CPU_8600 == 4 $ CPU_8200 == 5 $ CPU_8NN == 6 $ CPU_UV1 == 7 $ CPU_UV2 == 8 $ CPU_8PS == 17 $ CPU_9AQ == 14 $ CREATE_TAPE_INDEX == "CALL STA0$OPEN_INDEX" $ CREATING_TAPE_INDEX == FALSE $ DC_REMCSL_STORAGE == %XAA $ DEFAULT_DIR == F$ENVIRONMENT ("DEFAULT") $ DENS == "" $ DEVICE_MOUNTED == FALSE $ DEVICE_ORIGINALLY_MOUNTED == FALSE $ DISK_FULL == FALSE $ DISK_HEADERS == 12 $ DISK_IMAGE_NPAGEDYN == 5000000 $ DISK_IMAGE_NPAGEVIR == 8000000 $ DISK_OVERHEAD == 34 $ GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL == "" $ HEADER_PARAM == "" $ KIT_DONE == FALSE $ LARGE_DISK_KIT == FALSE $ MEDIA_SWITCH == FALSE $ MNTCACHE == "" $ NUM == 0 $ NUM_OF_FILES == 0 $ P2_VERIFIED == FALSE $ REMOTE_CONSOLE == FALSE $ RX50_IN_RX33_DRIVE == FALSE $ SAY == "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT" $ SEPARATE_CONFIG_VOLUME == FALSE $ SIZE_OF_FILES == 0 $ SMALL_CONSOLE == FALSE $ STABACCOP == "$STABACCOP" $ START_INDEX == FALSE $ Switch_Volume == "CALL STA0$SWITCH_VOLUME" $ TAPE_NPAGEDYN == 950000 $ TAPE_NPAGEVIR == 2000000 $ TRG_DEVICE == "" $ TRGSAVE_DEVICE == "" $ USES_PSEUDO_DISK == FALSE $ VOLUME_COUNT == 0 $ VMS_KIT_BUILD == F$EDIT (P5, "UPCASE") .EQS. "KIT" $ ! $ ! Unsupported debug tools. If DEBUG is defined, STABACKIT $ ! will run in batch mode, building a disk, displaying the $ ! disk, then erasing the disk and building the next one. $ ! This is useful for a quick check of whether files fit on $ ! console media. $ ! $ DEBUG == 0 $ TRACE == 0 $ TRC == "!" ! TRC - execute this line if in trace mo de $ DBG == "!" ! DBG - execute this line if in debug mo de, do not execute in normal mode $ NDBG == "" ! NDBG - do not execute if in debug mode , execute in normal mode $ IF TRACE THEN TRC == "" $ IF DEBUG THEN DBG == "" $ IF DEBUG THEN NDBG == "!" $ ! $ ! Don't let redefined symbols mess us up $ ! $ SET :== SET $ SET SYMBOL /SCOPE = (NOLOCAL) $ ! $'ndbg' IF F$MODE() .NES. "INTERACTIVE" THEN GOTO STA0$ERR_NO_INT $ ! $ SET RMS_DEFAULT /EXTEND_QUANTITY=10 $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO STA0$CLEAN_UP $ ON CONTROL_Y THEN GOTO STA0$CLEAN_UP $ ! $ ! Get necessary privileges and a system UIC $ ! $ SAVED_PRIVS == F$SETPRV ("CMKRNL,CMEXEC,LOG_IO,SYSNAM,SYSPRV,VOLPRO,OPER ,BYPASS,PHY_IO") $ IF .NOT. F$PRIVILEGE ("CMKRNL,CMEXEC,LOG_IO,SYSNAM,SYSPRV,VOLPRO,OPER,BY PASS,PHY_IO") THEN GOTO STA0$ERR_NO_PRIVS $ SAVED_PROT == F$ENVIRONMENT ("PROTECTION") $ SAVED_UIC == F$USER () $ TEMP == F$SETPRV ("NOBYPASS") ! Don't want this all the time $ SET PROTECTION = (SYSTEM=RWED,OWNER=RWED,GROUP=RWED,WORLD) /DEFAULT $ SET UIC [1,4] $ ! $ ! Create a special, unique subdirectory for STABACKIT to do it's work. $ ! $ STABACKIT_DIR == "SYS$SPECIFIC:<SYSUPD.STABACKIT-TEMP-" + F$GETJPI ("", "PID") + ">" $ CREATE /DIRECTORY 'STABACKIT_DIR' $ SET DEFAULT 'STABACKIT_DIR' $ DEFINE /NOLOG STA$LOCAL_DIR 'STABACKIT_DIR' $ ! $ ! Find out where to find the source files. Make sure that the source $ ! directory exists and contains SYS.EXE $ ! $ IF P3 .EQS. "" THEN P3 = "SYS$SYSROOT:<SYSEXE>" $ SRC_DIRECTORY == P3 $ DEFINE /NOLOG STA$SOURCE 'SRC_DIRECTORY' $ SRC_DEV == F$PARSE (SRC_DIRECTORY,,,"DEVICE") $ SRC_DIR == F$PARSE (SRC_DIRECTORY,,,"DIRECTORY") $ IF F$LOCATE ("S...and BACKUP. The files must be $ ! in the order which SYSBOOT expects them, and all the drivers mus t $ ! be on the last volume. $ ! $ ! Tape kits use the pseudo disk scheme. A file called PSEUDOLOA. EXE $ ! contains the standalone images as well as all the drivers. This file $ ! is loaded into nonpaged pool at boot time. The other system fil es $ ! and loadable images are copied to the tape media. $ ! $ ! The files which are needed for each kit are stored in a table ca lled $ ! STABACKIT-TABLE.DAT. This table contains the name of each syste m $ ! file, as well as information on how to copy the files, and which $ ! kit they belong on. $ ! $ ! In order to conserve space, two different methods are used to co py $ ! the files. Normal VMS images are copied with the STABACCOP prog ram, $ ! which removes symbol table and patch text blocks. STABACCOP cre ates $ ! contiguous files. Non-VMS load images (such as VMB and SYSBOOT) use $ ! the COPY command with the /CONTIGUOUS and /TRUNCATE options. No te $ ! that all files copied to tape use COPY, because STABACCOP doesn' t $ ! work to tape. $ ! $ ! INPUTS: STA$TARGET - logical name pointing to target device and dir ectory $ ! STA$LDR_TARGET - logical name pointing to target device and dir ectory of loadable images $ ! STA$SOURCE - logical name pointing to source directory $ ! STA$LDR_SOURCE - logical name pointing to source directory of l oadable images $ ! APPL_KIT - application name, e.g. "BACKUP" or "BAD" $ ! KIT_DONE - symbol to set after successful completion $ ! TRG_DEVICE - target device name, e.g. "DYA0:" $ ! DEV_TYPE - device type code $ ! BUILD_SYSTEM - build system kit boolean, can only be false on small console kit $ ! BUILD_APPL - build application kit boolean, can only be fal se on small console kit $ ! ANAL_MED - ANALYZE /MEDIA boolean $ !-- $ ! $ ! Set up a local error path $ ! $ IF USES_PSEUDO_DISK .OR. BUILD_DISK_IMAGE $ THEN $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO TAPE$CLEAN_UP $ ON CONTROL_Y THEN GOTO TAPE$CLEAN_UP $ ELSE $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO STA0$CLEAN_UP $ ON CONTROL_Y THEN GOTO STA0$CLEAN_UP $ ENDIF $ ! $ ! Do any preliminary setup stuff needed before copying the files to the kit. $ ! $ IF BUILD_DISK_IMAGE $ THEN $ KIT_NAME == "PSEUDO" $ PSEUDO_NAME == "PSEUDOLOA.EXE" $ GOSUB STA1$PSEUDO_DISK_SETUP $ COPY SYS$SYSTEM:PSEUDOLOA.EXE SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES: $ KIT_NAME == "DISK_IMAGE" $ PSEUDO_NAME == "SABKUP.IMA" $ GOSUB STA1$PSEUDO_DISK_SETUP $ IF (F$SEARCH ("SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:PSEUDOLOA.EXE") .NES. "") $ THEN DELETE /NOLOG SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:PSEUDOLOA.EXE;* $ ENDIF $ GOSUB STA1$DISK_IMAGE_FINISH $ RETURN $ ENDIF $ IF USES_PSEUDO_DISK $ THEN $ KIT_NAME == "PSEUDO" $ PSEUDO_NAME == "PSEUDOLOA.EXE" $ GOSUB STA1$PSEUDO_DISK_SETUP $ ENDIF $ IF SMALL_CONSOLE THEN GOSUB STA1$SMALL_CONSOLE_SETUP $ IF LARGE_DISK_KIT $ THEN $ IF CMN_SYS_DIR .NES. "" $ THEN GOSUB STA1$SYSTEM_DISK_SETUP $ ELSE GOSUB STA1$LARGE_DISK_SETUP $ ENDIF $ ENDIF $ ! $ IF BUILD_SYSTEM .AND. (.NOT. TAPE) THEN GOSUB STA1$PARSE_TABLE $ IF GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL .NES. "" THEN GOTO 'GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL $ ! $ IF USES_PSEUDO_DISK THEN GOSUB STA1$PSEUDO_DISK_FINISH $ IF SMALL_CONSOLE THEN GOSUB STA1$SMALL_CONSOLE_FINISH $ IF LARGE_DISK_KIT $ THEN $ IF CMN_SYS_DIR .NES. "" $ THEN GOSUB STA1$SYSTEM_DISK_FINISH $ ELSE GOSUB STA1$LARGE_DISK_FINISH $ ENDIF $ ENDIF $ ! $ RETURN ! To STA0$CLEAN_UP $ ! $ STA1$PSEUDO_DISK_SETUP: $ ! $ ! Calculate how much non-paged pool will be required for the $ ! pseudo-disk (both as a check that the SYSGEN parameters for $ ! the standalone system are OK and so that we can calculate $ ! how much pool and disk space will be needed to build it). $ ! $ REQUIRED_SIZE == DISK_OVERHEAD $ IF KIT_NAME .EQS. "DISK_IMAGE" THEN REQUIRED_SIZE == 2*REQUIRED_SIZE+1 $ NUMBER_OF_FILES == 0 $ ! $ ! Calculate the required size for the pseudo disk. $ ! $ GOSUB STA1$PARSE_TABLE $ POOL_REQ == 512*REQUIRED_SIZE $ SYSGEN :== $SYSGEN $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO STA3$NO_CONNECT $ IF .NOT. F$GETDVI ("PDA0:", "EXISTS") THEN - SYSGEN CONNECT PDA0 /NOADAPTER /DRIVER=PDDRIVER $ IF .NOT. F$GETDVI ("PDA0:","EXISTS") THEN GOTO STA3$NO_CONNECT $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO STA3$NO_ALLOC $ IF KIT_NAME .EQS. "PSEUDO" THEN ALLOCATE PDA0: $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO TAPE$CLEAN_UP $ MACRO /OBJECT=SETSIZE.OBJ /NOLIST SYS$INPUT $ DECK .TITLE SETSIZE $IODEF .PSECT $DATA,WRT,NOEXE,LONG PD_DESCR: .ASCID "PDA0:" PD_CHAN: .BLKL 1 PD_IOSB: .BLKQ 1 QIO_ARGS: $QIO IOSB=PD_IOSB CMD_DESCR: .LONG 4 .ADDRESS SIZ_ASC SIZ_ASC: .BLKB 6 PROMPT: .ASCID "Size: " PD_SIZE: .BLKL 1 .PSECT $CODE,EXE,NOWRT .ENTRY SETSIZE,^M<> $ASSIGN_S DEVNAM=PD_DESCR,CHAN=PD_CHAN BLBC R0,DONE MOVZWL PD_CHAN,QIO_ARGS+QIO$_CHAN PUSHAL CMD_DESCR PUSHAQ PROMPT PUSHAQ CMD_DESCR CALLS #3,G^LIB$GET_FOREIGN PUSHAL PD_SIZE PUSHAL CMD_DESCR CALLS #2,G^OTS$CVT_TI_L MOVZBL #IO$_PACKACK,QIO_ARGS+QIO$_FUNC $QIOW_G QIO_ARGS BSBW ERRCHK MOVZBL #IO$_FORMAT,QIO_ARGS+QIO$_FUNC MOVL PD_SIZE,QIO_ARGS+QIO$_P1 $QIOW_G QIO_ARGS BSBW ERRCHK DONE: RET ERRCHK: BLBC R0,20$ BLBC PD_IOSB,10$ RSB 10$: MOVZWL PD_IOSB,R0 20$: RET .END SETSIZE $ EOD $ LINK SETSIZE $ DELETE /NOLOG SETSIZE.OBJ; $ SETSIZE :== $'F$TRNLNM("SYS$DISK")''F$DIRECTORY()'SETSIZE $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO STA3$POOL_FRAGMENTED $ SETSIZE 'REQUIRED_SIZE' $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO TAPE$CLEAN_UP $ DELETE /NOLOG SETSIZE.EXE; $ ! $ ! At this point we know that the pseudo disk has been sized ok, $ ! so initialize the pseudo disk and copy the files to it. $ ! $ IF F$GETDVI ("PDA0:","MNT") THEN DISMOUNT /NOUNLOAD PDA0: $ IF (NUMBER_OF_FILES + DISK_HEADERS) .GT. 16 $ THEN $ HEADERS = NUMBER_OF_FILES + DISK_HEADERS $ ELSE $ HEADERS = 16 $ ENDIF $ INITIALIZE /SYSTEM /HEADERS = 'HEADERS' PDA0: 'KIT_NAME' $ MOUNT /SYSTEM PDA0: 'KIT_NAME' $ IF KIT_NAME .EQS. "PSEUDO" $ THEN SAY "Copy special SYSINIT and application to PDA0:" $ ELSE SAY "Copy application to virtual disk image" $ ENDIF $ CREATE /DIRECTORY /OWNER=[1,4] PDA0:<SYS0.SYSEXE> $ CREATE /DIRECTORY /OWNER=[1,4] PDA0:<SYS0.SYS$LDR> $ OPEN /READ COMMAND_FILE COMMAND.FILE $ PSEUDO$GET_ANOTHER: $ READ /END_OF_FILE=PSEUDO$ENDING COMMAND_FILE COMMAND_LINE $ 'COMMAND_LINE' $ GOTO PSEUDO$GET_ANOTHER $ PSEUDO$ENDING: $ CLOSE COMMAND_FILE $ DISMOUNT /NOUNLOAD PDA0: $ MOUNT /NOMESSAGE /FOREIGN PDA0: $ IF REQUIRED_SIZE .LE. F$GETDVI ("STA$SOURCE","FREEBLOCKS") $ THEN $ SET NOON ! Temporary workaround for COPY bug $ ASSIGN /USER_MODE NL: SYS$ERROR $ ASSIGN /USER_MODE NL: SYS$OUTPUT $ COPY PDA0: STA$SOURCE:'PSEUDO_NAME' /LOG $ SAY "''PSEUDO_NAME' created in directory ''F$TRNLNM (""STA$SOURCE"") '" $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO TAPE$CLEAN_UP $ ENDIF $ ! $ IF (KIT_NAME .EQS. "DISK_IMAGE") THEN RETURN $ IF POOL_REQ .GT. TAPE_NPAGEDYN THEN GOTO STA3$INT_POOL_ERR $ ! $ ! Slight adjustment to SYSGEN parameters for tape kits. Ensure sufficie nt $ ! nonpaged pool and set special parameter PSEUDOLOA, which triggers ever ything. $ ! $ TEMPNAME == "SYS$SYSROOT:<SYSUPD>STABACKIT-SYSGEN-" + F$GETJPI("","PID") + ".COM" $ OPEN /WRITE TEMPFILE 'TEMPNAME' $ WRITE TEMPFILE "$ RUN SYS$SYSROOT:<SYSEXE>SYSGEN" $ WRITE TEMPFILE "USE PARAMETER_FILE" $ IF BUILD_DISK_IMAGE $ THEN $ WRITE TEMPFILE "SET NPAGEDYN ''DISK_IMAGE_NPAGEDYN'" $ WRITE TEMPFILE "SET NPAGEVIR ''DISK_IMAGE_NPAGEVIR'" $ ELSE $ WRITE TEMPFILE "SET NPAGEDYN ''TAPE_NPAGEDYN'" $ WRITE TEMPFILE "SET NPAGEVIR ''TAPE_NPAGEVIR'" $ ENDIF $ WRITE TEMPFILE "SET PSEUDOLOA ''REQUIRED_SIZE'" $ WRITE TEMPFILE "WRITE PARAMETER_FILE" $ CLOSE TEMPFILE $ @'TEMPNAME' $ DELETE /NOLOG 'TEMPNAME'; $ ! $ COPY PARAMETER_FILE STA$LOCAL_DIR:VAXVMSSYS.PAR $ IF BUILD_DISK_IMAGE THEN RETURN $ ! Initialize and mount the target device. $ ! $ STA3$MOUNT_TARGET: $ GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL == "" $ IF .NOT. VMS_KIT_BUILD $ THEN $ Switch_Volume "scratch" "SYSTEM" $ IF GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL .NES. "" THEN GOTO 'GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL $ ENDIF $ ! $ KIT_NAME == "TAPE" $ ! $ ! Prior to copying the rest of the files, create the file $ ! OPEN-INDEX.DAT. OPEN_INDEX.DAT will be copied to the tape $ ! directly following SYSBOOT.EXE. The file contains the name and $ ! tape position of each of the files that go on the tape. This $ ! information is used to avoid opening each file and speed up the $ ! boot process. $ ! $ CREATE OPEN_INDEX.MAR $ TAPE_POSITION == 0 $ CREATING_TAPE_INDEX == TRUE $ GOSUB STA1$PARSE_TABLE $ ! $ OPEN /READ TAPE_INDEX_COMMAND_FILE TAPE_COMMAND.FILE $ INDEX$GET_ANOTHER: $ READ /END_OF_FILE=INDEX$ENDING TAPE_INDEX_COMMAND_FILE COMMAND_LINE $ 'COMMAND_LINE' $ GOTO INDEX$GET_ANOTHER $ INDEX$ENDING: $ CLOSE TAPE_INDEX_COMMAND_FILE $ CREATING_TAPE_INDEX == FALSE $ ! $ If F$SEARCH ("STA$SOURCE:PSEUDOLOA.EXE") .NES. "" $ THEN $ CREATE_TAPE_INDEX STA$SOURCE:PSEUDOLOA.EXE $ ELSE $ SET NOON ! Temporary workaround for COPY bug $ ASSIGN /USER_MODE NL: SYS$ERROR $ ASSIGN /USER_MODE NL: SYS$OUTPUT $ COPY PDA0: PSEUDOLOA.EXE $ CREATE_TAPE_INDEX PSEUDOLOA.EXE $ DELETE /NOLOG PSEUDOLOA.EXE; $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO TAPE$CLEAN_UP $ ENDIF $ ! Add the rest of the files. $ ! Note: because of a BACKUP problem, EOVMS.NUL must not be $ ! a zero length file. Use a naked copy because the COPYTC $ ! call has problems with sys$input. $ ! $ COPY /CONTIGUOUS /TRUNCATE SYS$INPUT: EOVMS.NUL $ CREATE_TAPE_INDEX EOVMS.NUL $ DELETE /NOLOG EOVMS.NUL; $ ! $ OPEN /APPEND TMP OPEN_INDEX.MAR $ WRITE TMP " .END" $ CLOSE TMP $ MACRO /NOLIST OPEN_INDEX $ LINK /SYSTEM /EXE=OPEN_INDEX.DAT OPEN_INDEX $ ! $ OPEN /READ COMMAND_FILE COMMAND.FILE $ TAPE$GET_ANOTHER: $ READ /END_OF_FILE=TAPE$ENDING COMMAND_FILE COMMAND_LINE $ 'COMMAND_LINE' $ GOTO TAPE$GET_ANOTHER $ TAPE$ENDING: $ CLOSE COMMAND_FILE $ RETURN ! From subroutine PSEUDO_DISK_SETUP $!+ $! Error routines $!- $ STA3$UNEXPECTED: $ SAY "Unexpected eof or file read error * INTERNAL ERROR *" $ CLOSE TEMP_FILE $ GOTO STA3$ERR_COMMON $ ! $ STA3$NO_CONNECT: $ SAY "Cannot load or connect pseudo-disk." $ GOTO STA3$ERR_COMMON $ ! $ STA3$NO_ALLOC: $ SAY "Cannot allocate pseudo-disk." $ GOTO STA3$ERR_COMMON $ ! $ STA3$INT_POOL_ERR: $ SAY "* INTERNAL ERROR * non-paged pool requirement of ''POOL_REQ'" $ SAY "bytes is greater than maximum expected (''TAPE_NPAGEDYN')." $ GOTO STA3$ERR_COMMON $ ! $ STA3$POOL_FRAGMENTED: $ SAY "" $ SAY "There is insufficient contiguous non-paged dynamic memory in which to load the" $ SAY "pseudo-disk. We need a single block of ''POOL_REQ' free bytes. Pl ease check" $ SAY "the display for SHOW MEMORY /POOL /FULL and see the values which it shows for" $ SAY """Initial Size (NPAGEDYN)"", ""Maximum Size (NPAGEVIR)"", and ""Siz e of Largest" $ SAY "Block""." $ SAY "" $ SAY "You should be able to add ''POOL_REQ' free bytes to the value of NP AGEVIR, and" $ SAY "then reboot. To do this, add a line ""ADD_NPAGEVIR = ''POOL_REQ'"" to the file" $ SAY "SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT. You should then run AUTOGEN by issuing t he following" $ SAY "command:" $ SAY "" $ SAY " $ @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN GETDATA REBOOT" $ SAY "" $ SAY "You can leave the value of NPAGEVIR at the larger value, so that yo u will be" $ SAY "able to make additional Standalone BACKUP kits in the future. Ther e is a very" $ SAY "small cost to leaving this value large." $ SAY "" $ SAY "If this does not work, and the system fails to expand pool to the r equired" $ SAY "maximum size, then it will be necessary to add ''POOL_REQ' bytes to the static" $ SAY "parameter NPAGEDYN. Note that you should merely set NPAGEDYN to th e new value" $ OLDVAL = F$GETSYI("NPAGEDYN") $ NEWVAL = OLDVAL + POOL_REQ $ SAY "''NEWVAL', and reboot. After building the Standalone Backup kit, y ou should" $ SAY "set the value of NPAGEDYN back to its current value of ''OLDVAL' an d" $ SAY "reboot again. If you leave NPAGEDYN at ''NEWVAL' bytes, you will a lways be" $ SAY "wasting the ''POOL_REQ' bytes which you only need when you build St andalone" $ SAY "BACKUP. For the same reason, you do not want to raise NPAGEDYN in" $ SAY "MODPARAMS.DAT." $ SAY "" $ SETSIZE 4 $ DELETE /NOLOG SETSIZE.EXE; $ ! $ STA3$ERR_COMMON: $ SAY "" $ GOTO TAPE$CLEAN_UP $ ! $ STA1$SMALL_CONSOLE_SETUP: $ IF BUILD_SYSTEM $ THEN $ ! $ ! Define the kit type. This symbol will be used to search the table . $ ! $ 'ifRX50' KIT_NAME == "RX50" $ 'ifTU58' KIT_NAME == "TU58" $ 'ifRX0x' KIT_NAME == "RX0X" $ 'ifRX33' KIT_NAME == "RX33" $ CREATE VOLUME_SWITCH.INFO $ ENDIF $ RETURN $ ! $ STA1$SYSTEM_DISK_SETUP: $ ! $ CREATE /DIRECTORY /LOG STA$TARGET, STA$LDR_TARGET $ ! $ KIT_NAME == "SYS_DISK" $ RETURN $ ! $ STA1$LARGE_DISK_SETUP: $ ! $ CREATE /DIRECTORY /LOG STA$TARGET, STA$LDR_TARGET $ ! $ ! Define the kit type. This symbol will be used to search the table. $ ! $ KIT_NAME == "LARGE_DISK" $ RETURN $ ! $ STA1$PARSE_TABLE: $ IF F$SEARCH ("STA$LOCAL_DIR:VAXVMSSYS.PAR") .EQS. "" - .AND. (KIT_NAME .NES. "PSEUDO") THEN COPY PARAMETER_FILE STA$LOCAL_D IR:VAXVMSSYS.PAR $ IF F$SEARCH ("STA$LOCAL_DIR:SYSINIT.EXE") .EQS. "" THEN COPY STA$SOURCE: STASYSGEN.EXE STA$LOCAL_DIR:SYSINIT.EXE $ IF (TAPE .OR. REMOTE_CONSOLE) THEN - IF (F$SEARCH ("STA$LOCAL_DIR:STANDALON.EXE") .EQS. "") - THEN COPY STA$SOURCE:STA'APPL_KIT'.EXE STA$LOCAL_DIR:STANDALON.EXE $ ! $ ! Build the list of files that go on the kit and copy them. This list i s $ ! built from the table contained in STABACKIT-TABLE.DAT. $ ! $ OPEN /READ LIST_OF_FILES SYS$UPDATE:STABACKIT-TABLE.DAT $ OPEN /WRITE COPY_COMMAND_FILE COMMAND.FILE $ IF CREATING_TAPE_INDEX $ THEN $ OPEN /WRITE TAPE_INDEX TAPE_COMMAND.FILE $ ENDIF $ STA1$GET_ANOTHER_FILE: $ READ /END_OF_FILE=STA1$END_COPY LIST_OF_FILES FILE_STRING $ IF ( F$EXTRACT (0, 1, FILE_STRING) .EQS. "!") - .OR. (F$LOCATE ("''KIT_NAME'", FILE_STRING) .EQ. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRI NG) ) - THEN GOTO STA1$GET_ANOTHER_FILE $ ! $ ! Get the filename from the table. Note that if there are ever any $ ! files added with a different extension, that extension will have $ ! to be checked here also. $ ! $ IF F$LOCATE (".EXE", FILE_STRING) .NE. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING) - THEN FILE_NAME = F$EXTRACT (0, F$LOCATE (".EXE", FILE_STRING) + 4, F ILE_STRING) $ IF F$LOCATE (".PAR", FILE_STRING) .NE. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING) - THEN FILE_NAME = F$EXTRACT (0, F$LOCATE (".PAR", FILE_STRING) + 4, F ILE_STRING) $ IF F$LOCATE (".DAT", FILE_STRING) .NE. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING) - THEN FILE_NAME = F$EXTRACT (0, F$LOCATE (".DAT", FILE_STRING) + 4, F ILE_STRING) $ IF F$LOCATE (".SYS", FILE_STRING) .NE. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING) - THEN FILE_NAME = F$EXTRACT (0, F$LOCATE (".SYS", FILE_STRING) + 4, F ILE_STRING) $ IF (F$LOCATE ("SYSEXE", FILE_STRING) .NES. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING) ) $ THEN $ TARGET_DIR = "STA$TARGET" $ IF (F$LOCATE ("LOCAL", FILE_STRING) .NES. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING) ) $ THEN SOURCE_DIR = "STA$LOCAL_DIR" $ ELSE SOURCE_DIR = "STA$SOURCE" $ ENDIF $ PSEUDO_TARGET = "PDA0:<SYS0.SYSEXE>" $ ELSE $ 'ifnotMAGTAPE' TARGET_DIR = "STA$LDR_TARGET" $ 'ifMAGTAPE' TARGET_DIR = "STA$TARGET" $ SOURCE_DIR = "STA$LDR_SOURCE" $ PSEUDO_TARGET = "PDA0:<SYS0.SYS$LDR>" $ ENDIF $ FILE_SPEC == ''SOURCE_DIR' + ":" + FILE_NAME $ IF (KIT_NAME .NES. "PSEUDO" .AND. KIT_NAME .NES. "DISK_IMAGE") $ THEN $ ! $ ! If the file is optional, and it's not on the system, then get the next file. $ ! $ IF (F$LOCATE ("OPTIONAL", FILE_STRING) .NES. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING) ) - .AND. (F$SEARCH ("''FILE_SPEC'") .EQS. "") $ THEN $ GOTO STA1$GET_ANOTHER_FILE $ ENDIF $ ! $ ! Determine whether to use COPY or STABACCOP to copy the file. $ ! $ IF (F$LOCATE ("COPYTC", FILE_STRING) .NES. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING) ) .OR. TAPE $ THEN $ COPY_FILE = "COPYTC" $ ELSE $ COPY_FILE = "COPYSB" $ ENDIF $ IF SMALL_CONSOLE THEN CHECK_FOR_VOLUME_SWITCH $ IF CREATING_TAPE_INDEX $ THEN $ IF FILE_NAME .EQS. "SYS.EXE" THEN START_INDEX == TRUE $ IF START_INDEX THEN WRITE TAPE_INDEX "CREATE_TAPE_INDEX ", FILE_ SPEC $ ENDIF $ WRITE COPY_COMMAND_FILE COPY_FILE," ", FILE_SPEC," ", TARGET_DIR, ": ", CBT $ ELSE $ ! Temporarily allow for optional images in the disk image. $ ! $ IF (((KIT_NAME .EQS. "PSEUDO") .AND. - (FILE_NAME .EQS. "PSEUDOLOA.EXE")) .OR. - ((KIT_NAME .EQS. "DISK_IMAGE") .AND. - (F$LOCATE ("OPTIONAL", FILE_STRING) .NES. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING )) .AND. - (F$SEARCH ("''FILE_SPEC'") .EQS. ""))) $ THEN $ GOTO STA1$GET_ANOTHER_FILE $ ENDIF $ REQUIRED_SIZE == REQUIRED_SIZE + F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES (FILE_SPEC, "EOF" ) + 1 $ NUMBER_OF_FILES == NUMBER_OF_FILES + 1 $ WRITE COPY_COMMAND_FILE "COPY /LOG ", FILE_SPEC, " ", PSEUDO_TARGET $ ENDIF $ GOTO STA1$GET_ANOTHER_FILE $ ! $ STA1$END_COPY: $ CLOSE LIST_OF_FILES $ CLOSE COPY_COMMAND_FILE $ IF CREATING_TAPE_INDEX $ THEN $ CLOSE TAPE_INDEX $ RETURN $ ENDIF $ IF (KIT_NAME .EQS. "PSEUDO" .OR. KIT_NAME .EQS. "DISK_IMAGE") THEN RETUR N $ OPEN /READ COMMAND_FILE COMMAND.FILE $ IF SMALL_CONSOLE $ THEN $ AT_END == TRUE $ CHECK_FOR_VOLUME_SWITCH $ OPEN /READ SWITCH_INFO VOLUME_SWITCH.INFO $ ENDIF $ STA1$GET_ANOTHER: $ READ /END_OF_FILE=STA1$ENDING COMMAND_FILE COMMAND_LINE $ IF SMALL_CONSOLE .AND. (NUM .EQ. 0) $ THEN $ READ SWITCH_INFO NUM $ READ SWITCH_INFO SWITCH_COMMAND $ GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL == "" $ 'SWITCH_COMMAND' $ IF GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL .NES. "" THEN GOTO 'GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL $ ENDIF $ 'COMMAND_LINE' $ IF SMALL_CONSOLE THEN NUM = NUM - 1 $ GOTO STA1$GET_ANOTHER $ STA1$ENDING: $ CLOSE COMMAND_FILE $ RETURN $ ! $ STA1$CHECK_FOR_VOLUME_SWITCH: $ SUBROUTINE $ ! $ ! Calculate the size of the file and decide if we need to switch volumes . $ ! Also determine, by looking in the table, whether to copy using a conti guous $ ! best try, rather than contiguous or fail. $ ! $ ON WARNING THEN EXIT $STATUS $ ON CONTROL_Y THEN EXIT 44 ! SS$ABORT $ IF F$LOCATE ("CBT", FILE_STRING) .NES. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING) THEN CBT = = " 1 99" $ FILE_SIZE == F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES (FILE_SPEC, "EOF") $ IF ((SEPARATE_CONFIG_VOLUME .EQ. TRUE) .AND. - ((FILE_NAME .EQS. "CPULOA.EXE") .OR. (FILE_NAME .EQS. "SYSINIT.EXE") .OR. (FILE_NAME .EQS."STANDCONF.EXE"))) $ THEN $ FILE_SIZE == 0 $ NUM_OF_FILES == 0 $ ENDIF $ SIZE_OF_FILES == SIZE_OF_FILES + FILE_SIZE $ 'ifRX0x' DISK_OVERHEAD == 0 $ IF ((SIZE_OF_FILES + DISK_OVERHEAD + DISK_HEADERS + NUM_OF_FILES) .GT. S IZE_OF_DISK) - .AND. BEFORE_DRIVERS THEN DISK_FULL == TRUE $ ! $ ! If we've hit the NEW_VOLUME string in the table file, and we haven't h ad $ ! to force a switch for the three boot files, then switch volumes for th e $ ! driver volume. $ ! $ IF (.NOT. SEPARATE_CONFIG_VOLUME) .AND. - (F$LOCATE ("NEW_VOLUME", FILE_STRING) .NES. F$LENGTH (FILE_STRING)) - THEN DISK_FULL == TRUE $ ! $ ! All the drivers must be on the last volume. CPULOA.EXE, STANDCONF.EXE and $ ! SYSINIT.EXE (alias STASYSGEN.EXE) must all be on the volume just previ ous to $ ! the driver volume. $ ! $ IF (FILE_NAME .EQS. "CPULOA.EXE") THEN CONFIG_FILES == TRUE $ IF DISK_FULL .OR. AT_END $ THEN $ WRITE_TO_SWITCH_FILE: $ VOLUME_COUNT == VOLUME_COUNT + 1 $ IF VOLUME_COUNT .EQ. 1 THEN NUMBER = "first" $ IF VOLUME_COUNT .EQ. 2 THEN NUMBER = "second" $ IF VOLUME_COUNT .EQ. 3 THEN NUMBER = "third" $ IF VOLUME_COUNT .EQ. 4 THEN NUMBER = "fourth" $ IF VOLUME_COUNT .EQ. 5 THEN NUMBER = "fifth" $ IF VOLUME_COUNT .EQ. 6 THEN NUMBER = "sixth" $ IF VOLUME_COUNT .EQ. 7 THEN NUMBER = "seventh" $ IF (NUM_OF_FILES + DISK_HEADERS) .GT. 16 $ THEN $ HEADERS = NUM_OF_FILES + DISK_HEADERS $ ELSE $ HEADERS = 16 $ ENDIF $ OPEN /APPEND SWITCH_INFO VOLUME_SWITCH.INFO $ ! $ ! If we can't fit CPULOA, STANDCONF and SYSINIT on this volume, forc e a $ ! volume switch. This is a special case, because the volume switch $ ! information will be one step ahead of the copy commands in the $ ! temporary work files, so remember that we did this. $ ! $ IF CONFIG_FILES .AND. (CONFIG_FILE_COUNT .LT. 3) $ THEN $ WRITE SWITCH_INFO NUM_OF_FILES - CONFIG_FILE_COUNT $ CONFIG_FILE_COUNT == 0 $ SEPARATE_CONFIG_VOLUME == TRUE $ WRITE SWITCH_INFO "SWITCH_VOLUME ", """", NUMBER," system""", " ""SYSTEM_", VOLUME_COUNT, """ ", HEADERS $ ! $ ! Prepare so that CPULOA, STANDCONF and SYSINIT will go onto the next volume. $ ! Loop again to write out the volume switch information for thos e three files. $ ! $ CONFIG_FILES == FALSE $ DISK_FULL == FALSE $ NUM_OF_FILES == 3 $ FILE_SIZE == 0 $ SIZE_OF_FILES == 0 $ GOTO WRITE_TO_SWITCH_FILE $ ELSE $ WRITE SWITCH_INFO NUM_OF_FILES $ WRITE SWITCH_INFO "SWITCH_VOLUME ", """", NUMBER," system""", " ""SYSTEM_", VOLUME_COUNT, """ ", HEADERS $ ENDIF $ CLOSE SWITCH_INFO $ ! $ ! Clean up flags for next pass. $ ! $ NUM_OF_FILES == 0 $ IF (FILE_NAME .EQS. "STANDCONF.EXE") THEN BEFORE_DRIVERS == FALSE $ SIZE_OF_FILES == FILE_SIZE $ DISK_FULL == FALSE $ ENDIF ! End of full disk calculations. $ NUM_OF_FILES == NUM_OF_FILES + 1 $ IF CONFIG_FILES THEN CONFIG_FILE_COUNT == CONFIG_FILE_COUNT + 1 $ EXIT $ ENDSUBROUTINE ! STA1$CHECK_FOR_VOLUME_SWITCH $ ! $ STA1$PSEUDO_DISK_FINISH: $ ! $ If F$SEARCH("STA$SOURCE:PSEUDOLOA.EXE") .NES. "" $ THEN $ CopyTC STA$SOURCE:PSEUDOLOA.EXE STA$TARGET: $ ELSE $ SAY "Insufficient disk space to create PSEUDOLOA.EXE" $ SAY "...copying directly to target device." $ SET NOON ! Temporary workaround for COPY bug $ ASSIGN/USER NL: SYS$ERROR $ ASSIGN/USER NL: SYS$OUTPUT $ COPY PDA0: STA$TARGET:PSEUDOLOA.EXE $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO TAPE$CLEAN_UP $ ENDIF $ ! $ ! Note: because of a BACKUP problem, EOVMS.NUL must not be $ ! a zero length file. Use a naked copy because the COPYTC $ ! call has problems with sys$input. $ ! $ ! Note that there must be a blank line after this copy. If $ ! a dollar sign is detected, STABACKIT writes an extra tape $ ! mark and the VMS kit duplication program will fail, thinking $ ! it's at the end of the tape volume. $ ! $ COPY /CONTIGUOUS /TRUNCATE SYS$INPUT: STA$TARGET:EOVMS.NUL $ IF F$GETDVI("PDA0:","EXISTS") $ THEN $ IF F$GETDVI ("PDA0:","MNT") THEN DISMOUNT/NOUNLOAD PDA0: $ IF F$GETDVI ("PDA0:","ALL") THEN DEALLOCATE PDA0: $ ENDIF $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO TAPE$CLEAN_UP $ DISMOUNT /NOUNLOAD 'TRG_DEVICE' $ KIT_DONE == TRUE $ TAPE$CLEAN_UP: $ IF F$GETDVI("PDA0:","EXISTS") $ THEN $ IF F$GETDVI ("PDA0:","MNT") THEN DISMOUNT /NOUNLOAD PDA0: $ IF F$GETDVI ("PDA0:","ALL") THEN DEALLOCATE PDA0: $ ENDIF $ ! $ GOTO STA0$CLEAN_UP $ RETURN $ ! $ STA1$DISK_IMAGE_FINISH: $ ! $ IF F$GETDVI ("PDA0:", "EXISTS") $ THEN $ IF F$GETDVI ("PDA0:", "MNT") THEN DISMOUNT/NOUNLOAD PDA0: $ IF F$GETDVI ("PDA0:", "ALL") THEN DEALLOCATE PDA0: $ ENDIF $ IF (CPU_TYPE .EQS. CPU_9AQ) $ THEN $ SAY "" $ SAY "Copying the standalone BACKUP image to the console hard disk." $ SAY "This operation may take as long as 15 minutes." $ SAY "" $ COPY STA$SOURCE:SABKUP.IMA 'TRG_DEVICE'[USERFILES]/LOG $ ENDIF $ KIT_DONE == TRUE $ RETURN $ ! $ STA1$SMALL_CONSOLE_FINISH: $ ! $'trc' CALL STA0$SHOW_DEVICE 'trg_device' 3_system $ ! $ ! If we need to build the application kit, then switch volumes and $ ! copy the application image. $ ! $ IF BUILD_APPL $ THEN $ GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL == "" $ Switch_Volume "application" "''APPL_KIT'" 16 $ IF GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL .NES. "" THEN GOTO 'GLOBAL_RETURN_LABEL $ CopySB STA$SOURCE:STA'APPL_KIT'.EXE STA$TARGET:STANDALON.EXE 1 99 9 $ ENDIF $'trc' CALL STA0$SHOW_DEVICE 'trg_device' 4_backup $ KIT_DONE == TRUE $ RETURN $ ! $ STA1$SYSTEM_DISK_FINISH: $ ! $ ! Point <SYSE.SYSCOMMON> to the common system directory. $ ! $ SET FILE /LOG /ENTER='TRG_DEVICE'<SYSE>SYSCOMMON.DIR;1 'CMN_SYS_DIR' $ ! $ ! Since very nasty things can happen if S/A Backup is run on a cluster w ith shadowing, $ ! place a copy of the non-shadowing DUDRIVER on this root with the name of the shadowing $ ! driver. This will ensure that an attempt to boot into a shadowing env ironment will $ ! produce system bugchecks rather than cause serious corruption of disks . (Check for $ ! the existence of some form of DSDRIVER so that we won't use the extra space on µVMS.) $ ! $ IF F$SEARCH ("STA$LDR_SOURCE:DSDRIVER.*") .NES. "" THEN - CopyTC STA$LDR_SOURCE:DUDRIVER.EXE STA$LDR_TARGET:DSDRIVER.EXE $ CopySB STA$SOURCE:STA'APPL_KIT'.EXE STA$TARGET:STANDALON.EXE $ KIT_DONE == TRUE $ RETURN $ ! $ STA1$LARGE_DISK_FINISH: $ @STA$SOURCE:VMS$INSTALL_UPG_DATA.COM $ ISL_VER = F$EXTRACT(3,F$LENGTH(VMS$G_KIT_ID)-3,VMS$G_KIT_ID) $ FILE_SPEC = "ISL_LVAX_''isl_ver'.SYS" $ IF F$SEARCH ("STA$SOURCE:''FILE_SPEC'") .NES. "" THEN GOTO COPY_LVAX $ FILE_SPEC = "ISL_LVAX.SYS" $ IF F$SEARCH ("STA$SOURCE:''FILE_SPEC'") .EQS. "" THEN GOTO ERROR $ COPY_LVAX: $ COPY /TRUNCATE /CONTIGUOUS /LOG STA$SOURCE:'FILE_SPEC' STA$TARGET:ISL_L VAX_'isl_ver'.SYS $ FILE_SPEC = "ISL_SVAX_''isl_ver'.SYS" $ IF F$SEARCH ("STA$SOURCE:''FILE_SPEC'") .NES. "" THEN GOTO COPY_SVAX $ FILE_SPEC = "ISL_SVAX.SYS" $ IF F$SEARCH ("STA$SOURCE:''FILE_SPEC'") .EQS. "" THEN GOTO ERROR $ COPY_SVAX: $ COPY /TRUNCATE /CONTIGUOUS /LOG STA$SOURCE:'FILE_SPEC' STA$TARGET:ISL_S VAX_'isl_ver'.SYS $ ! $ ! Build special ISL file. This files has pointers for the ISL files $ ! that are located in [sysexe]. $ ! $ OPEN /WRITE SCRIPTFILE 'TRG_DEVICE'[000000]ISL_SCRIPT.ESS $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "! ==================================================== ========" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "! [000000]ISL_SCRIPT.ESS" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "! Command file for ''VMS$G_VER_ID' CD, down-line loadi ng from InfoServer." $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "! ==================================================== ========" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "! Format:" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "!" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "! USE MOP file_spec /PAR=mop_id ""identification strin g"" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "!" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "! 1) The character ""!"" denotes a comment" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "!" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "! 2) One command line can be up to 158 characters long " $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "!" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "! 3) One command must be specified on one line" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "!" $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "USE MOP [SYS0.SYSEXE]ISL_LVAX_''ISL_VER'.SYS /PAR=ISL_ LVAX_''ISL_VER' ""VMS ''VMS$G_VER_ID' ISL support $ WRITE SCRIPTFILE "USE MOP [SYS0.SYSEXE]ISL_SVAX_''ISL_VER'.SYS /PAR=ISL_ SVAX_''ISL_VER' ""VMS ''VMS$G_VER_ID' ISL support $ CLOSE SCRIPTFILE $ GOTO END_ISL $ ERROR: $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "CAN'T FIND FILE STA$SOURCE:''FILE_SPEC'" $ END_ISL: $ ! $ ! Write a boot block, only necessary for VAX-11/750 kit and VAX-11/8200 kit. $ ! $ IF ( F$SEARCH ("STA$TARGET:VMB.EXE") .NES. "") - .OR. F$SEARCH ("SYS$SYSTEM:WRITEBOOT.EXE") .NES. "") $ THEN $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:WRITEBOOT STA$TARGET:VMB.EXE 1 200 $ ENDIF $ ! $ ! Copy the application image $ ! $ STA2$COPY_APPL_FILE: $ CopySB STA$SOURCE:STA'APPL_KIT'.EXE STA$TARGET:STANDALON.EXE $ ! $ KIT_DONE == TRUE $ RETURN $ ! $ STA0$OPEN_INDEX: $ SUBROUTINE $ ! $ ! This subroutine will be called once for each file that goes to $ ! tape. It creates the file information in OPEN_INDEX.DAT to $ ! speed tape booting. $ ! $ ON CONTROL_Y THEN EXIT 44 ! SS$_ABORT $ ON WARNING THEN EXIT $STATUS $ SIZE = 'F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES (P1, "EOF") $ TAPE_POSITION == TAPE_POSITION + SIZE + 11 !11 BLOCKS TAPEHEADER /TAPEMA RK OVERHEAD $ FILE_NAME = F$PARSE (P1,,,"NAME") + F$PARSE (P1,,,"TYPE") $ LENGTH = 'F$LENGTH (FILE_NAME) $ OPEN/APPEND TMP OPEN_INDEX.MAR $ WRITE TMP " .PSECT NOEXE,PAGE" $ WRITE TMP " .LONG ''LENGTH' $ WRITE TMP " .ASCII /''FILE_NAME'/ $ WRITE TMP " .ALIGN LONG" $ WRITE TMP " .LONG ''SIZE' $ WRITE TMP " .LONG ''TAPE_POSITION' $ CLOSE TMP $ EXIT $ ENDSUBROUTINE ! STA0$OPEN_INDEX $ ! $ $ $ $

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Looking for VMS 5.2 "Mandatory Update" Install Save Set

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi All: The title says it all. I've installed VMS 5.2 from 4 RL02s and now the installation procedure wants me to load the "mandatory update" volume. Anyone have one kicking around? I'm not stuck on RL02 format, a TK50/70, 9 track, or even an emailed copy would be fine! Kevin --- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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Installing VMS from RL02s

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi All: I have acquired 4 RL02 packs with the VMS 5.2 distribution on them. The first one boots into standalone backup (>>> B DLA0) but I need to know how to start the installation procedure. I have some very basic docs on standalone backup, but a simple BACKUP DLA0: DUA0: fails with a couple of "device not mounted" errors. There's apparently a save set called VMS052.B on the first drive this filename is reported in the two "device not mounted" errors. BACKUP DLA0:VMS052.B DUA0: also fails as the /IMAGE qualifier is being assumed by the standalone backup utility, and of course /IMAGE requires only a device name. Any help appreciated! Kevin -- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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Subscribing and unsubscribing (was Re: Quick question)

by scott＠isd.canberra.edu.au

At 19:26 1/04/98 -0600, Doug Yowza (yowza(a)yowza.com) wrote: >On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Scott McLauchlan wrote: > >> No it shouldn't. Listproc pulls the e-mail address from the header of the >> subscription request, but it gets the subscribers name from the body. >> "Your Name" should be your *real* name (eg. "Sam Ismail", "Scott >> McLauchlan", "Bill Gates"). (Oh, and leave out the double quotes.) > >Hmm, I thought listproc would take the email address from the header if >you only specify "subscribe classiccmp", but you can optionally include a >different email address (e.g., "subscribe classiccmp joe(a)foo.com"), and >the list maintainer can optionally refuse to accept the fully qualified >subscribe command. [Glances up at X-Listprocessor-Version: header..."8.1 beta". Hmmm] Not exactly. Before version 8.1, if you only specified "subscribe classiccmp" you would get an error message, and if you said "subscribe classiccmp joe(a)foo.com" it would subscribe you at the address you sent the request from, and assume your real name was joe(a)foo.com. Depending on how the list is set up, "subscribe classiccmp" will work on version 8.1 and later, however, I'm pretty sure there still is no way to subscribe using an address different from the one you are sending the request from. >In any case, from the ClassicCmp FAQ (temporarily housed at >http://www.yowza.com/classiccmp/faq.txt): [Snip] >SUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address > > Subscribes you to the list. > >UNSUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address > > Removes you from the list.

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Quick question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 2, 11:05, Scott McLauchlan wrote: > At 16:05 1/04/98 -0800, Sam Ismail (dastar(a)wco.com) wrote: > > >Just to clarify... > > > >> Send a message to listproc(a)u.washington.edu with no subject and a > >> message with only the line: > >> > >> subscribe classiccmp Your Name > > ^^^^^^^^^ should be yourlogin(a)yourdomain.com > > No it shouldn't. Listproc pulls the e-mail address from the header of the > subscription request, but it gets the subscribers name from the body. > "Your Name" should be your *real* name (eg. "Sam Ismail", "Scott > McLauchlan", "Bill Gates"). (Oh, and leave out the double quotes.) No, Sam is correct. Here's an extract from the confirmation message I got when I subscribed a while ago -- the message body was SUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- NAQ (Never Asked Questions) 0.1 How do I subscribe? Subscribing to this list is slightly more challenging than most. Read the instructions below. 1. Send a message to listproc(a)u.washington.edu with the line subscribe CLASSICCMP your-address in the body of the message. 2. Send a message to bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu introducing yourself and explaining why you wish to be added to the list. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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TRS-80 manuals

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Picked up the following Manuals: (2) User's Manual for Level 1 -- TRS-80 Micro Computer System Line Printer VIII Level II Basic Reference Manual They're available if anyone is interested. ($1 apiece, plus shipping.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Daniel Seagraves' 50k post

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Speaking of which, when did mailbombing first start? Were generals in the Pentagon bombing each other over ARPANet? >On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Pete Joules wrote: > >> Does a 50k script with no comment count as mailbombing the list >> or am I missing the point somewhere? >> >> Regards >> Pete >> >> > >Nah! He's just elated!!! > - don > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Quick question

by scott＠isd.canberra.edu.au

Dear All, At 16:05 1/04/98 -0800, Sam Ismail (dastar(a)wco.com) wrote: >Just to clarify... > >> Send a message to listproc(a)u.washington.edu with no subject and a >> message with only the line: >> >> subscribe classiccmp Your Name > ^^^^^^^^^ should be yourlogin(a)yourdomain.com No it shouldn't. Listproc pulls the e-mail address from the header of the subscription request, but it gets the subscribers name from the body. "Your Name" should be your *real* name (eg. "Sam Ismail", "Scott McLauchlan", "Bill Gates"). (Oh, and leave out the double quotes.) Regards, | Scott McLauchlan |"Sometimes the need to mess with their heads | | Client Services Division| outweighs the millstone of humiliation." | | University of Canberra |___________Fox_Mulder_"The_X-Files:_Squeeze"_| |scott(a)cts.canberra.edu.au| http://www.canberra.edu.au/~scott/home.html |

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Archiving docs

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-04-01 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :Have you actually checked this? GIF's do compress well, and you are :correct on loseless... but if you are just GIFfing the scans, they :do *not* compress well. GIFs are just RLE compressed (That's Run :Length Encoding for all you non-gfx types out there) and if you no they aren't - they use a form of lempel-ziv compression, which is why they tend to compress anything pretty well. they aren't much good on photos, but anything with a small range of colours is meat to the grist. -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...

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Old Data

by chemif＠mbox.queen.it

At 00:56 01/04/98 -0800, you wrote: > I have had an instance of this recently. At work a tape drive attached to a > PC and which takes the same size casettes as my Sun386i is about to become > redundant. The an accounts clerk in the department concerned has said that > I will not be able to have the _drive_ because it has been used for > confidential data. The fact that the data is on the _tapes_ seems to > reflect on the availability of the drive! He, he,...so they would do the same also with keyboards: They have been used for confidential data, no? Ciao! ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? Riccardo Romagnoli,collector of:CLASSIC COMPUTERS,TELETYPE UNITS,PHONE ? ? AND PHONECARDS I-47100 Forli'/Emilia-Romagna/Food Valley/ITALY ? ? Pager:DTMF PHONES=+39/16888(hear msg.and BEEP then 5130274*YOUR TEL.No.* ? ? where*=asterisk key | help visit http://www.tim.it/tldrin_eg/tlde03.html ? ? e-mail=chemif(a)mbox.queen.it ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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RS 102

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

Same here. I'd be interested if any of those 102's become available. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk > [SMTP:Philip.Belben@powertech.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 11:15 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re[2]: RS 102 > > David wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/1/98 9:57:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: > > > > << I have a chance to buy a box full of Radio Shack model 102 > portable > > computers. None have been tested and there are no power supplies > with them. > > Does anyone know what voltage and polarity the external power > connector > > uses? And if there is any kind of self-test built-in? Can anyone > give me an > > idea of what these are worth? >> > > > > shoot, i'd love to have another tandy 102! my ac adaptor for my 102 > says 6v dc > > at 400 ma > > I'd love to have one at all! > > Seriously, Joe, if you get a box full, will you be putting some up for > > sale? > > > according to the little drawing on the adaptor, the inner part of > the plug is > > negative. outer part is positive. not sure what they're worth, but i > bought > > That's all I'd need to know. I am quite used to building PSUs on such > a > spec. Or less. (Actually I'd look inside to see whether it needs to > be > regulated, but 6V seldom does). > > > mine with the accompanying battery operated cassette recorder and > owner's > > manual for $25. would love to find the external floppy for it. > > The model 100 I've seen for 100 or more UK pounds over here. I don't > know what additional features were in the 102; I also don't think I > could afford L100. But I'd probably pay $50 US including shipping for > a > model 102 without power supply. > > Philip. > > PS I'm back from Taiwan at last. Taiwan really is the most unhackish > > place I've been on my travels... But more to the point, I've missed > most of the last 3 weeks on Classiccmp, so I may be ignorant of the > context on some longer-running threads. Please forgive any silly > questions that may arise...

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RS 102

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I have a chance to buy a box full of Radio Shack model 102 portable computers. None have been tested and there are no power supplies with them. Does anyone know what voltage and polarity the external power connector uses? And if there is any kind of self-test built-in? Can anyone give me an idea of what these are worth? Joe

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Installing VMS from RL02s

by peacock＠simconv.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel A. Seagraves [mailto:DSEAGRAV@toad.xkl.com] > > [Tell us what's IN stabackit.com!] Stabackit will build a bootable version of standalone backup on the target device. You can boot from the device and then restore backup tapes to new disks. Jack Peacock

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Installing VMS from RL02s

by peacock＠simconv.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel A. Seagraves [mailto:DSEAGRAV@toad.xkl.com] > [VMS standalone backup] > How do you MAKE one of those? I have an RZ23 making increase > amounts of noise, > and I'd like to back it up. Log in as SYSTEM, then.... $ SET DEF SYS$UPDATE $ @STABACKIT follow the prompts, give it the name of the disk or tape device where you want the standalone built. BTW this only works for VAXes, not Alphas. Jack Peacock

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Hard disk trouble?

by pjoules＠enterprise.net

My (just on topic) Sun 386i seems to have died. I could hear the hard drive seeking continuously so I tried to login as root to shut it down and it hung. I stopped it with L1 + A and then rebooted. part way through the boot process it simply scrolled the following error message: sd2a: read retry blk 6728 (abs blk 6728) sense key (0x04): hardware error error code (0x09): servo error [repeated 3 times] sd2: rezero failed Does this mean that the hard drive ( the standard CDC Wren IV 340Mb ) has finally turned up its toes? TIA Pete

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Special book find today

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

In my library of recent finds, along the same lines... Apple Interfacing Microcomputer - Alalog COnverter Software & Hardware Interfacing Interfacing & scientific data communications experiments Microcomputer interfacing with the 8255 PPI chip Interfacing to S-100 / IEEE 696 microcommputers They're all quite fascinating. Cheers A -----Original Message----- From: The Adept <adept(a)mcs.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 10:27 AM Subject: Special book find today >A friend I work with donated the following book to my collection today: > VIC-20 Interfacing Blue Book, by V.J. Georgiou >

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RL02 Positioning Question.

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Here's a possibly stupid question... I may have mentioned it earlier, but I got a copy of PDPXASM and I'm playing with it. Just pitching code at the 11/83 to see what I can make it do... Anyway, I'm playing with telling the RL02 what to do. Push the head around, write things, etc... Anyway, Is there a way to, given the the sector number, figure the head/cylinder/sector? Also, is there some mechanism to keep me from screwing up and sending the heads below track 0 or past 512? By the figuring CHS question, I mean this: I want to make a single routine I can call to position the head whereever and dump a sector to disk, but I don't want to have to know the disk geometry to do it. I pass to it a unit number, RAM start address, and a sector number. Now how do I divide the sector number to get the C/H/S? And I don't want to have to use floating-point to do it... -------

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Old Data

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 04:39 AM 4/1/98 GMT, you wrote: >>The way I see it, if they want to make sure the data doesn't get out, they >>need to delete files. Some days I can't even think straight... What I meant to convey is that people should take responsibility for their data. If they care, they should do something about it (even if it means calling the neighborhood guru.) However, not doing that doesn't give anyone the right to turn around and use that information... If I don't pull my shades, you don't have the right to make a porno (horror?) movie of it. But, if I care about anyone seeing my fat carcass, I should pull down my shades. I do agree with the idea that we, as collectors, should hold ourselves to a higher standard. If we want folks to continue to pass machines our way, we need to make sure they feel comfortable about doing it. (Just as I wouldn't look up what drugs someone is getting from Long's, or what medical problems someone had when I was working with Aetna Health Plans; I want them to feel comfortable hiring me again in the future.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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RS 102

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/1/98 9:57:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: << I have a chance to buy a box full of Radio Shack model 102 portable computers. None have been tested and there are no power supplies with them. Does anyone know what voltage and polarity the external power connector uses? And if there is any kind of self-test built-in? Can anyone give me an idea of what these are worth? >> shoot, i'd love to have another tandy 102! my ac adaptor for my 102 says 6v dc at 400 ma according to the little drawing on the adaptor, the inner part of the plug is negative. outer part is positive. not sure what they're worth, but i bought mine with the accompanying battery operated cassette recorder and owner's manual for $25. would love to find the external floppy for it. david

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LEading Edge

by allisonp＠world.std.com

So happens my XT is a Leading Edge model D. It's a good solid and slow system but it works so well and is small. I got mine from the first owner who bought it new when it first came out. Prints for it would be nice. Hacks (plugins) applied to it over the years: Used the basics disk controller that is on the mother board to run a 720k 3.5" and 360k floppies. Installed a 1.44/2.88 floppy adaptor so I can run 1.44 floppies. Installed 1002 HDC and st251 V20 (to run 8080 software) My Inboard386pc was in that one for a while. The machine is useful for many things as its so basic and clean clone. Allison

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Lobotomies... (was: Re: available bits)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<PAIA used to sell 6803 boards. (guess it depends on your definition of <machine.) <Did anyone ever get one of those? I guess they were mostly for music, bu <I always wanted one. The ads in the magazines always intrigued me. PAIA used 650x processors not 680x (that I know of). Allison

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ANyone have DHV11 docs?

by peacock＠simconv.com

> From: Daniel A. Seagraves [mailto:DSEAGRAV@toad.xkl.com] > Subject: ANyone have DHV11 docs? > > Anyone have docs for the DHV11? Does it emulate a DH11? > (It's the Q-bus 8-line MUX) > I'd like to figure out how to tell mine what to do... > ------- I might have a DHV11 manual around, I'll have to check. I do have a board in an old uVAX II. Do you need anything in particular? Like the CSR and interrupt switch settings? As I recall, the Q-bus DHV isn't quite the same as a the Unibus DH11, but it does use DMA, much faster than a DZQ11. The DHV11 uses floating CSRs, do you know how to set them? (I assume you are going to use VMS) Jack Peacock

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LEading Edge

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

If anyone has need for Leading Edge parts, software, etc you can obtain what you need at http://www.primenet.com/~fwagner/le/leading_edge.html since Leading Edge is out of business and no longer supporting anything. Throw this in your bookmarks for later reference. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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terminals -update

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

Here's an update for any interested parties: HP 700/44's - all three are sold Visual 102 w/keyboard - sold VT220 w/o keyboard - sold VT100 without keyboard - still available, $5 plus the shipping costs via UPS or USPS parcel post. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Lobotomies... (was: Re: available bits)

by KFergason＠aol.com

In a message dated 3/31/98 11:15:26 PM Central Standard Time, zmerch(a)northernway.net writes: > If anyone has a lobotomized Tandy MC-10 (Micro Color Computer), it used the > MC6803 for it's brain... It's the only classic machine that I know of that > used this processor as the primary CPU. > PAIA used to sell 6803 boards. (guess it depends on your definition of machine.) Did anyone ever get one of those? I guess they were mostly for music, but I always wanted one. The ads in the magazines always intrigued me. I wonder if they exist today. Kelly (reminiscing)

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available bits

by allisonp＠world.std.com

I have the following for those interested: Two 19mb and a 10 mb Computer Memories hard disks 5.25" full height all have very bad stiction and and two are bad... Why would anyone want these? The logics are good and they have a R6522 and MC6803P in sockets. The 6803 is a 6800 with a few enhancements like internal ram, timer, serial and parallel IO and also bus for external program rom and ram. Or maybe someone would want to see the inside of a hard disk. If interested contact me. Allison

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Old Data

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 05:58 PM 3/30/98 -0800, you wrote: >I'm curious to know how people deal with old data found on systems >they rescue/restore. The question was put in my mind recently by The way I see it, if they want to make sure the data doesn't get out, they need to delete files. But, I wouldn't take someone's personal spreadsheet of their monthly finances and post it on the 'net, either. What I've done in the past is look at it, and then generally delete it. Why? Because it's generally boring as hell. Now, if I came across some Hubble stuff, and I knew how to use it/what it meant, I'd probably hang on to that. But only for my own personal use/interest. As I see it, when someone gives you a computer with data on it, they're giving you the data as well. However, they're not giving you license to sell that data to the Weekly World News. I'm working with Long's Drugs, a chain of pharmacies on the west coast. If I poked around in the store databases and told you that, say, Grace Hopper was taking birth control pills, that would definitely be an invasion of privacy. (and would likely get me thrown in jail.) However, there's nothing wrong with telling you that there are 13 women who go to the Serramonte store to get birth control pills. Same thing with e-mail, word processing documents, spreadsheets and the like. If your buddy Joe gives you his old computer, you should go poking around his old e-mail or wp files. If, however, you get a computer from company x that was used by employee y that you don't know, the data is only statistical. I think generally, it's a moot point because it's usually too uninteresting to keep around. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Old Data

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 "Seth J. Morabito" <sethm(a)loomcom.com> wrote: ] I'm curious to know how people deal with old data found on systems ] they rescue/restore. As one facet of this, we might consider what people would do with their old systems, if they even got the *impression* that their private information might be read by a new owner. They might prefer to totally destroy the machine than to take a risk like that. In this respect, the actions of each collector impinges on all of us; it may take only one publicized breach of privacy to reroute a lot of old boxes to trash compactors that would have otherwise gone to collectors. It wouldn't even matter whether it was someone's personal love letters or a company's records. The impact would be the same. With this in mind, I suggest we adopt the common policy of wiping everything but obvious system software and such. There will always be the practical matter of determining which is which, but it seems best for all concerned to religiously respect privacy, irrespective of whether it is that of an individual or an organization. Cheers, Bill.

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Hard card manuals

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

You forgot the traditional motivator: "...or it goes in the dumpster". Bill. On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bbtel.com> wrote: ] I have the full documentation package for the Plus+ HardCard 20 which ] ... ] ] If anyone thinks they can use these in the US I'd take $5 for the ] package which basically covers me shoving it in an envelope and mailing ] it to you. Drop me a note, first come first served.

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Special book find today

by adept＠mcs.com

A friend I work with donated the following book to my collection today: VIC-20 Interfacing Blue Book, by V.J. Georgiou Anyone seen this before? It is an incredibly neat book on hardware projects for the VIC-20, including such things as Liquid Level Sensor, ram expansion cards, eprom programmer for micromon, ring detector and lots more. It is overall a superb text. If you would like more info, let me know. I'm not interested in getting rid of the book but would be willing to share via scans or photocopies. ;) Cheers, Dan

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Kaypro: 81-149C vs. 81-232

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I could have sworn the UK field servoids carried a normal 99MP kit with <the Bristol Spline keys. No idea why as I've _never_ found such a screw <in a DEC machine (although didn't the PDP1 have a Friden Flexowriter as <the console ;-)). No it didn't have splines in the kit. The only recent product that required them was the LN01 xerographic printer, that used a bunch of different keys. Allison

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Xenix and Intel 5.25" disks

by bmpete＠swbell.net

I have had some disks for a long time and would like to give them to someone who has a need, a use, or even a clue as to what they are. Three have hand-written labels 1: XYLOGICS 450 XENIX DRIVER 503-450-405 tar cvbf 20 /dev/rdvfo DCM 7/86 2: XYLOGICS 450 XENIX utility 503-450-405 tar cvbf 20 /dev/rdvfo DCM 7/86 3: XYLOGICS 472 XENIX DRIVER 503-472-405 tar cvbf 20 /dev/rdvfo DCM 7/86 I can't do anything with them on a PC, Norton won't let me see a thing. I can see the sectors with my TI-99; #1 might not have valid data, but 2 and 3 do. The second line of the labels might be 905 instead of 405 and rdvf0 instead of rdvfo. There may be nothing useful on the disks, but... The other disks are original (not too fancy) Intel disks: 4: SYP 286/300 DIAGNOSTICS 19 MB, #1A DS/DD IRMX 86 FORMAT, 48TPI PART NO. 174133-001 (c) 1982, 1983 INTEL CORP. May not be copied without a license. Refer to price list for copying fees. #5, #6, #7 and #8 are identical except for the disk# and the part#: 5: #1B, PART NO. 174134-001 6: #2A, PART NO. 174135-001 7: #2B, PART NO. 174136-001 8: #2C, PART NO. 174356-001 If you want them, send an address, if they're not notable, I'll reformat them. All, with the possible exception of #1, all have data of some kind. _______________ Barry Peterson bmpete(a)swbell.net Husband to Diane, Father to Doug, Grandfather to Zoe and Tegan.

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Old Data

by DiesIrrae＠aol.com

I have aquired many computers with old data on it. My theory is, "I won't see this guy again so I'll read his stuff anyway." I know it breaks his privacy, but it is not like I am going to start e-mailing all his friends, that would just be a waste of time. Any games or programs that I should not own (i.e. sensative material or beta's of software) I keep only because of the novelty. Those are my two cents, -Enrique!

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Linux problems (way off-topic)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I know this is not on topic, but I thought you guys could help. I recently installed Red Hat 3.0.3 (release, not kernel version) on my computer. It runs great and I am satisfied, but some games and programs can't seem to find certain libraries, though the libraries are there and in the right place. An example is "Unable to load 'blablabla' ; Exec Format Error" or "Unable to load 'blablabla' file not found". Keep in mind that all of this was on the Red Hat cdrom, so I doubt it's the wrong format. I also tried replacing the libraries with ones that I have used before and they worked. This did not help either. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Weekend haul

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Some of this will be come available: This weekend I came into a real pile of stuff I classify as I would ahve liked to own it if I could have affforded it when new. 2 California Computer systems 2200 boxen both with external 8" floppies and one with an 8" hard drive (DISCUS). About 50-60 boxes of 8" floppies 33 of which are CPMUG and SIGM archives. Plus Docs, docs, docs. These seems to be intact and I expect they work buyt haven't powered them yet. 3 Visual 1050s, a pizza box with two floppies, detached keyboard and monitor on top. Two have hard disk boxes on the side. Also docs out the ears. Also a mountain of disks. All three work. Of the document excesses in the pile I must have 5 sets maybe more of DRI CP/M-80 and some CP/M+ docs plus redundant copies of wordstar, multiplan, Cbasic, and some DRI graphics tools. It filled the back of my toyota pickup and the cab. My current task is to inventory what I have. Allison

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Weekend haul

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Speaking of CCS stuff, there's an electronics store near me with a <couple of NOS RAM boards (4K and 16K S-100 boards, with docs, never <used, etc.) I'd be happy to pick them up for anyone. Oh yeah, the 4K <is $255, and the 16K is $415. I've tried to talk them down a few miles, They are out of their minds! Those are 1978 new prices and by '82 64k of static ram was less! The northstar cards were worth less. In 78 I bought seals 8kx8 for $299 new! Allison

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Kaypro: 81-149C vs. 81-232

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 29, 6:04, Doug Spence wrote: > On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Tony Duell wrote: > > > > At the back of the main circuit board, just in front of where the ribbon > > > cable connects to it, there is a 14-pin chip with a label "1F" beside it. > > > In drive A, there is an empty 16-pin socket beside it, with "2F" written > > > on the circuit board beside it. Drive B has something IN this socket - a > > > BLUE 16-pin chip. > > > > Sounds a little like a Tandon drive, although those normally had the > > jumper in location 1E (or at least the schematics I have show it there). > > I believe it is a Tandon drive. > > I am unable to view the main circuit boards of the drives because they're > in a metal box, but if 1E is directly in front of 2E, then yes, I believe > I'll find the jumpers there. I've found labeled photographs of a Tandon > drive in an old issue of 80 Micro. It does sound like a Tandom TM100 (or of that series, anywy). I've got the manual, too. > > Allen hex - a true hexagonal tip, which come in inch and metric sizes > > This is the one I need. Possibly in metric sizes as none of the imperial > ones I have fit. Much more likely to be Imperial, on American equipment. Some sets go up in bigger steps than others, though; perhaps the one you need is just "missing". I have a few sets like that :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Hard card manuals

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

I have the full documentation package for the Plus+ HardCard 20 which includes the Installation and Refernce Manual, 80286 Upgrade Kit Manual, Warranty and Service-US booklet and preliminary notes for the 286 upgrade booklet. If anyone thinks they can use these in the US I'd take $5 for the package which basically covers me shoving it in an envelope and mailing it to you. Drop me a note, first come first served. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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PC to S/34, 36 or 38 Set FS/Trade

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

[Repeat posting] I have a new, in the box, AST-5251/11 setup that allows a PC to communicate with an IBM 34/36/38 mainframe (?). It includes a thick manual, 5.25" and 8" floppies, twinaxial to adapter card cable w/tee, and the adapter card for an ISA slot. Still with the original overbox that shows all the features of this beauty. The box states that the card is an 8 bit, DMA selectable for PC/XT/AT, selectable interupt channel, on board high speed 8X305 processor, 5251-11/5291 or 5291-1 display terminal emulation, host addressable 5256 printer support on the PC's printer, concurrent host and PC sessions with hot key assist, bidirectional file transfers, and more. This is the enhanced version. I have no use for this and many of you are into connection to mainframes and minis, so make me an offer, whether it be cash or trade for PC compatible items. Also have a big box full of S/36 5.25" disks and manuals. Will post those as soon as I go through and inventory them. Email a reply direct to me, please. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Mac 512k System FS/trade

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

In addition to the previous Apple/Mac items message, I also have the following fine machine for sale or trade: --MAC 512k system which includes cpu/monitor unit with original 400k internal floppy, enhanced keyboard, mouse, printer, manuals, software and applicable cables. The unit was owned by a friend of mine since new and only needs a repair or replace of the floppy drive as it's getting old and sometimes doesn't read the disk, does other times. Great condition otherwise. Entire set $75.00 plus shipping or will consider trades of other PC compatible parts. I'll also include text on upgrading RAM to 1mb using common DRAMs piggybacked. Contact me if interested by direct reply... -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Apple Items FS/Trade

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

Still have available: * SIMMS - 30 pin 1 mb non parity for Apple and Macs that utilize 30 pin SIMMs, not SIPPs or DRAMs. I have 8 of these. Seimens type with 5 large chips and two small chips. Asking $10.00 (shipped) for the set or even swap for 8 PC compatible 1mb 30 pin type. EMAIL directly to me for more info... -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Archiving docs

by jfoust＠threedee.com

"Doug Coward" <dcoward(a)pressstart.com> wrote: > I would like hear from anyone that has done any archiving of their >classic computer documents and manuals. I agree with Aaron Finney's suggestions about using B/W "line art" mode when possible, and the advantages of a 600 dpi laser printer as opposed to 300 dpi. Also tinker with the JPEG compression settings, you may be surprised how much space that will save, and how little it will affect the images. Reload the saved images to examine the loss. Yesterday I noticed that the latest version of an image thumbnailing utility, ThumbsPlus, can save HTML versions of the thumbnailed pages. This may be a very good way to organize your images for the CD: it would make an HTML page, viewable in any browser, that showed all the thumbnail versions of the images, and you could click on any one to enlarge it. See <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~itda/frames.html> where two fellows have laboriously scanned, OCRed and converted to Adobe Acrobat PDF files several documents including the Shugart SA-800 floppy service manuals and several Terak docs. An 18-page service manual with three-four pages of images is 262K. I plan to archive the ASR-33 service manuals and other Terak docs. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

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Old Data

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> I'm curious to know how people deal with old data found on systems <> they rescue/restore. The question was put in my mind recently by <> my acquisition of a MicroVAX 3800, with three intact disks overflowing <> with data that had apparently never been erased. This is something I've dealt with many times. Generally I try to preserve any software and delete data. Right now to give an idea, I aquired over 60 boxes of 8" disks with both. I will not go into the several hundred 5" disks and handful hard disks. I treat it as simply this, if I read it and it's not software I forget it. I have other things to do mostly. Allison

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Archiving docs

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

> I'm currently using a UMAX 300P that claims a maximum 24 bit color > resolution of 300x600 dpi. I'm scanning into Photoshop4 and saving > in JPEG format. I'm trying to save as much information as I can, so > pages that have any color besides black and white, I'm scanning > at 299 (that's the max for color) dpi in RGB and and everything else in > 299 dpi grayscale. I'm averaging, for 8.5 x 11 pages, about 5.3 Mb > for color and 2.1 Mb for grayscale. Just last weekend I burned > my first CD of docs consisting of 26 color pages and 170 B/W > pages for a total of 454 Mb.( I didn't fill the CD bcause I was anxious > to try printing the files at work.) > I printed two of the highest detailed B/W pages (schematics) today > at 400 dpi. The results were disappointing. All of the fine details were > lost. I assume I need to use a higher resolution for printing. I also have > quite a bit of background clutter on the printed page. I'm having no > problems seeing the smallest details when I magnify the pages in > Photoshop. There's not much point in printing at a higher resolution than the scan. I'm not familiar with the Umax 300P. Is that 300x600 intrinsic resolution, or interpolated? You almost certainly want any interpolation or dithering turned off, because it will de-sharpen the image. There's also not much point in using grayscale unless you're scanning photos; if the text is B/W, scan in B/W. It saves a lot of memory/filespace, and has a better chance of losing the background clutter. That's why photographers copy documents with very high contrast "line" film, which basically comes out black and white with no shades in between. You'll probably want to retouch the images to get best results (obliterate any remaining clutter, and/or fill in any missing pixels), and you may need to adjust the scanner's contrast or intensity setting(s) to get best results. The optimum settings will probably vary slightly between documents. Also, don't use JPEG compression, unless you're only compressing by relatively small amounts. JPEG is a lossy compression system; the compressed-and-then- expanded image is not the same as the original; detail *is* lost. GIF or TIFF is better. All this is a bit general, but is based on my own experience. Once upon a time I was a photographer (for a printing business) and I use a small desk scanner myself, for faxes and assorted images. More often than not, I end up either retouching the images, or rescanning with different settings, and quite often pass them through image enhancement software afterwards. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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ANyone have DHV11 docs?

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi Daniel, sorry for the last one, copied the wrong filename. the right is: ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/hardware/ dhv11.config cheers, emanuel ---------- > From: Daniel A. Seagraves <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: ANyone have DHV11 docs? > Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 4:36 PM > > Anyone have docs for the DHV11? Does it emulate a DH11? > (It's the Q-bus 8-line MUX) > I'd like to figure out how to tell mine what to do... > -------

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ANyone have DHV11 docs?

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi Daniel ... have a look at: ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/hardware/ DLVJ1.info cheers, emanuel ---------- > From: Daniel A. Seagraves <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: ANyone have DHV11 docs? > Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 4:36 PM > > Anyone have docs for the DHV11? Does it emulate a DH11? > (It's the Q-bus 8-line MUX) > I'd like to figure out how to tell mine what to do... > -------

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S100 machines on view

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

I've added a new page to my Weird Computing Machines site. The page shows my two S100 machines. I invite you to visit, as these really are quite fascinating computers - especially the first!! http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/weird/ Please select "S100 bus" on the menu to view them. Lots of software and documentation came with these machines - its a bit of a dilemma... I'd love to get it all running again, but have neither time nor space. They are destined to spend their time "looking pretty" for some time to come. Enjoy! Cheers A

28 years, 2 months

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FS: Vaxen 3100s

by higginbo＠netpath.net

Hi guys. I dropped off the list a few weeks back, too much for me to keep up with I guess, what with subscribing to three red hat linux lists. (avg. 300 messages a day total) Anyway, I've got three Digital VAXStation 3100's up for grabs at www.haggle.com and thought you might be interested. I also have one HP 68030 workstation if anyone is interested. http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?id=201560664 http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?id=201560663 http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?id=201560662 Bidding started at a penny, auctions end April 4th, only have one bid on one of them. I think they'll go cheap. Check the descriptions at the URLs for details.

28 years, 2 months

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Old Data

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 30, 17:58, Seth J. Morabito wrote: > Subject: Old Data > I have a moral and ethical question to throw open for debate. No, > I'm not looking for flames, just informed opinions. I'm not sure how "informed" my opinion is but you're welcome to it anyway. > I'm curious to know how people deal with old data found on systems > they rescue/restore. The question was put in my mind recently by > my acquisition of a MicroVAX 3800, with three intact disks overflowing > with data that had apparently never been erased. In Britain (and the rest of Europe) the Data Protection Act is supposed to cover anything that could be considered "personal data", ie relating to a person or persons, and data that can identify a person is particularly protected. Nonetheless, leaks occur. > If it had been user data, personal mail, and so forth, I would have > simply deleted it, no questions asked. I'd do the same; in fact, I have done. > But unfortunately, it's _not_ that simple. [snip] > I've since simply re-initialized the drives: My thinking was, "This > data is not mine, I have no right to keep it. It may be sensitive, > even though I don't understand it. A few years ago, I was given a big Fujitsu SMD drive and controller. I only really wanted the drive, so I hooked it up to a different controller (different format). I was very surprised to find it was not only readable, but full of a certain very well known insurance company's head office records, including a lot of stuff that I'm sure was commercially sensitive. I just reformatted the drive. I've since had exactly the situation you describe with three RZ23s. One had VMS, the other two had an assortment of what looked like someone's office files. I wanted two for a unix box, so I reformatted them fairly promptly without even bothering to see what the files really were. I kept the VMS one for a while in case it was useful, but when I finally got my MicroVax, it had all the drive space I needed, so eventually the last one got wiped too. I've had this happen so often that I've almost given up looking to see what's on drives; it's hardly ever useful or interesting. I used to keep useful software, but I wouldn't read personal files. Somehow theft (copyrighted software) doesn't seem quite as morally objectionable as peeping. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

28 years, 2 months

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ANyone have DHV11 docs?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 30, 16:25, Daniel A. Seagraves wrote: > Subject: RE: ANyone have DHV11 docs? > [DHV11] > No, I awnt CSRs and programming info. It's in a PDP-11, and I'm playing > with code outside of an O/S: (Read: depositing things in RAM and > playing with things that way. No OS involved) I've got the DHV11 manual somewhere in this huge pile of ring binders on the floor... If you have any specific questions I can look them up, but I seem to remember it's fairly similar to a DH11. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

28 years, 2 months

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ANyone have DHV11 docs?

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Anyone have docs for the DHV11? Does it emulate a DH11? (It's the Q-bus 8-line MUX) I'd like to figure out how to tell mine what to do... -------

28 years, 2 months

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Modem tester FS/Trade

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

The modem tester has been claimed. Thanks to anyone that maight have been interested. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

28 years, 2 months

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ft 60 tape streamer

by 113172.1411＠compuserve.com

hello have been trying to find out about this piece of hardware for some time and eventually tracked this site i have in my posssession a virtually new ft60 and have some of the software but no board --- as an ex service engineer that is now blind I cant bear to throw it away someone talk to me and its theirs for the postage david yerbury

28 years, 2 months

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CORE MEMORY FOR 11/34

by paulb＠nuvision3d.com

I have two core memory boards that I took out of an 11/34 back around 1982 or so, worked when took them out, don't have driver board, lost that. Will trade for coco-3 or IDE drive (working) around 540mb or so. (haha) Paul T. Barton paulb(a)nuvision3d.com

28 years, 2 months

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Amiga A1060 SideCar

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Doug Spence <ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca> wrote: >> I'll bet a doughnut there are at least two Sidecar sites on the net, >> given the known rabidity of Amiga enthusiasts. > >Very possible, though I've so far not found them. There seems to be some >product for the named "SideCar" though, because Alta Vista keeps coughing >up links to articles on it. Hmm. Guess that means I might owe you a doughnut. Did you try posting questions to the Amigoid newsgroups? I'll check my basement archives, too. >I wish I had ordered something from IAM when they had their "boing logo" >promotion, but I had recently purchased DiskSalv at a computer show, and >already had the "Deathbed Vigil" video and T-shirt, and I wasn't >interested in any of their other products at the time. It would've been >nice to get the logos, though. (They were scoured from the garages of >various ex-Commodore engineers.) I attended the first "Amiga wake" party when Amiga Corp. closed in Los Gatos. They had one of those "black box" wirewrap Amigas there. I will continue to deny that I had anything to do with the rescue of the Amiga sign from the lawn of the old office. :-) - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

28 years, 2 months

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Teletype 33 bits

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

Does anyone have any suggestions as to where we might track down a tape punch and reader for this old Teletype 33TA? Regards Charlie Fox

28 years, 2 months

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FW: VAX Wanted in Germany -- offer of $500 made!

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Holy Cow... I guess the repair price this fellow got quoted was truly astronomical! Anyway... if you've got a VAXen of the type he's looking for, and you want to get a good price for it and have it go to a good home to boot (pun intended, of course), get in touch with the original author of the message attached here... -=-=- <snip> -=-=- From: michaXrostock(a)t-online.de (Dr. Michael Storck) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec Subject: Looking for ... Date: 29 Mar 1998 18:11:59 GMT Organization: T-Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6fm2tf$su6$1(a)news00.btx.dtag.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0381685071-0001(a)t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.btx.dtag.de!news.btx.dtag.de!not-for-mail Hi from Rostock, Germany My old DecStation 5000 / 200 got hardware -problems. Having it repaired is rather expensive with digital in germany. As I still have data on two rz 55 / rz 56 disks I am looking for a DecStation 5000 / 240 or 5000 / 260 system 2ndhand, with a sytem 2 user license of ultrix 4.3 or 4.4 I would need only the system box (with hard disk built in ) as my Dec (well rather Sony) 19" monitor is still well and alive ... Shipping from US / CAN via UPS or DHL ... Willing to pay about $ 500 (depending on type of sys and size of hard disk) Mike Storck -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, SysOp, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272) kyrrin {at} j<p>s d[o]t n=e=t "...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them!..."

28 years, 2 months

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Baby Blue CP/M Card for PC's

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

I recently got a "Baby Blue CPU Plus" card by Microlog Inc. It's a CP/M Card for PC's, and has a 4.77mhz Z80B with 64K RAM (available to DOS too). Also "accepts several popular CP/M 5.25-in soft-sectored disk formats". It's a full-length 8-bit ISA card, and has no docs or software, but the original box has the installation info (including limited dip-switch settings) printed on the back. Anyway, anyone have a manual or software I could get a copy of? Thanks in advance! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years, 2 months

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Kaypro: 81-149C vs. 81-232

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 22, 7:16, Doug Spence wrote: > Subject: Re: Kaypro: 81-149C vs. 81-232 > > Well, I've repeated what I did the other night. I plugged the Kaypro II > into the Kaypro 2's drives, and vice versa. Just the ribbon cable, not > the power. Whichever machine was plugged into the Kaypro II's drives was > able to boot, the machine plugged into the 2's drives just sits there with > the bootup message and eventually beeps and says "I cannot read your disk" > (or similar). I don't know much about Kaypros, but is it possible that one of the sets of drives is 40-track and the other is 80-track? Or that one set is single-sided and the other is double-sided? When you start up the machine and it tries to boot, does a light come on, on the disk drive (which would indicate that the drive is being accessed)? > Anyway, the only other thing I could try is to make drive B in the 2 think > that it's drive A, to see if I can boot from there. Does anyone know how > these drives decide which one's A and which one is B? And can I switch > their identities without removing the drives from the metal housing? I > don't have the proper screwdriver to remove the drives. Usually there's a set of jumpers, or sometimes a small DIL switch pack, which select one of four disk addresses. They may be labelled DS0, DS1, DS2, DS3 or perhaps D1, D2, D3, D4. D0=A and D1=B. You just need to switch the jumper settings. Even if they're not labeled, you should find that all but one of the jumpers (the drive select jumper) in one drive match the jumpers in the other drive (of the ame pair). If you open up the drive case and tell us what the make and model number of the actual drive mechanism is, someone can probably tell you the jumper settings and whether the drive is 40/80 or SS/DS. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

28 years, 2 months

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Terminals to get rid of-rerun

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

I had these posted in late February and had to "cold shoulder" a few people since there were some people that said they definitely wanted them. Those same people have not contacted me in some time and I'm posting these again as I need to get them out of my way soon or they will get new homes in the landfill.... Have three older terminals, condition unknown but in good physical shape. Digital VT100, no keyboard Digital VT220, no keyboard Visual 102 with keyboard I'm going to ask $5 for each plus shipping to more or less cover the time involved in packing and running these to the shipper, but otherwise they're here and awaiting some interested foster home to contact me about them. Neither weighs a lot but due to the glass crt they aren't featherwight either. I also have for $10 each plus shipping three Hewlett Packard 700/44 terminals in great physical and electrical shape. They emulate quite a few different things and come with like new keyboards as well and have both a current loop and a 25 pin serial connection in the back. If the people that said they wanted them are still reading the posts in this area and still want them they need to contact me immediately. I'm sure the Digitals are wanted irregardless of condition for parts or collectability. The HP's are great dumb terminals for those of you running minis and mainframes that otherwise have no human interface and possibly even for automated data aquisition and test racks. If I don't get a firm response by the middle of April (say tax deadline) they go away for good. It's too much of a problem to have them in much needed space here to mess with them. Those interested should let me know what they want and their zip code to calculate shipping, either by UPS or USPS. I can only take a money order or cashier's check for the amount due and shipping, in advance of shipping. COntact me directly. I'm in the process of finishing my new shop and these are a definite nuisance to have to walk around since I personally have no use for them -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

28 years, 2 months

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Computer Pinout Sources

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Here us a URL that can provide you with MANY pinouts: The Hardware Book: http://www.blackdown.org/~hwb/hwb.html -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

28 years, 2 months

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Osborne disk reads/writes

by engine＠chac.org

Got this off the Web site this morning, it's an interesting question. Reply to poster with a copy, please. >name=guy brutel >addr=brutel(a)wxs.nl >I am looking for a program that reads /writes on a DOS-PC the 5 1/4 diskettes of my old Osborne 1. Where to find such conversion programmes? Program sources that could be adapted? >Thanks! TIA, __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

28 years, 2 months

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Modem Tester FS/Trade

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

Rerun of what I posted earlier. I really need to find a home for this! Sanders and Associates 101 Modem Tester Smaller sized benchtop case (11x4x10 approx that sits on handle) with 25 pin sub-d male and female connectors (RS-232??) as well as individual test points for each signal on back. Nixie 3 digit error display, over run/count gate/sync lost lamps, test pattern/test length switch, BPS/sync/self test switch, 1 error 10(3) bits button and start button on the front. The unit was made by Sanders & Associates Inc, Digital Comm Dept, Nashua, New Hamster. It appears to be of middle/late 80's vintage and is probably a worthwhile instrument yet for telecomm or network use. I can just imaine what something like this went for new. Asking $35 plus shipping (10 lbs maybe) for the unit. I'd really like to find someone that can use this as I've been considering pulling the guts and using the case for a homebuilt freq. counter, which I really don't want to do. Contact me by direct email if interested as soon as possible. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

28 years, 2 months

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Televideo TS803 $10 in L.A.

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Televideo TS 803 plus, $10/OBO, Used GIVEAWAY: Mint condition "Televideo" (old CPM system, like Kaypros) from 1983. More than a word processor--many functions. Reliable workhorse, beautiful ergonomic design, never sick one day. Complete original manuals, Wordstar disk & manual, other system disks, and compatible Fortis printer in excellent condition. Worth much more than price--$10. For sale by private party Los Angeles, California - L.A. Area 91030 --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years, 2 months

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Amiga A1060 SideCar

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Doug Spence <ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca> wrote: [8,349,320 lines of Sidecar wondering deleted] I'll bet a doughnut there are at least two Sidecar sites on the net, given the known rabidity of Amiga enthusiasts. I'll also bet that by posting on the relevant Amiga news groups, you'll be in e-mail contact with an engineer who worked on it. I've got most of the Amiga dev con notes in the basement, along with some rare Janus programming docs and disks, but I'm not sure they'd be relevant to your ROM version. A year or so ago, I saw a very interesting Amiga collection go up for auction: a pristine, still-in-the-unopened-boxes Amiga 1000, complete with RAM sidecar, parallel-port hard disk, etc. It was something left over from Commodore that someone rescued in the last days. I'm still hoarding my collection of never-shipped aluminium "boing" logos that fit in the little square on the corner of the A1000. :-) - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

28 years, 2 months

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Diamond Trackstar e Apple-in-a-PC board

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Hello, all: I received today a Diamond Computer Systems Trackstar e pple ][ emulator board for my PC. Does anyone have any instructions for this thing?? Thanks again. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

28 years, 2 months

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Olivetti M15 and friends

by dwollmann＠ibmhelp.com

At 02:34 PM 3/28/98 -0600, you wrote: >The M15 works >great and has a prototype sticker on it (S/N 00075) - I know this model >made it into production, but I can't find much info on it. Does anybody >have a production date and numbers for it? Circa 1985 is my guess. Olivetti M15 (donated by Monique Pellaton) Microprocessor - Intel i80C88 Memory - 512 Kb RAM Video (Text) - 80/25 or 40/25 chars Video (Graphics) - 640/200 dots Disk drives - 2 x 3 1/2" 720 Kb

28 years, 2 months

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Mikbug info?

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Bill Yakowenko <yakowenk(a)cs.unc.edu> wrote: >>From very nearly the first day I bumped into a computer, I've >>been finding sporadic references to MIKBUG, an early monitor >>ROM for 6800 machines. For instance, most of the older 6800 >>monitor ROMs (SWTBUG, SMARTBUG, others?) claim preserve MIKBUG >>entry points. And a lot of the programs in Motorola's ancient >>6800 freeware archive refer to it. (That archive can be found >>at this URL: http://www.mcu.motsps.com/freeweb/pub/usergroup) >>But I've never seen one, or any any real documentation for >>one. Can anybody out there help me find any of this stuff? >>Of course I'd be happiest to find a binary image, source code, >>and whatever docs originally came with it. But I'll take >>whatever I can get. As it is now, the best I can do is to >>extract some of its defined entry points from definitions >>in those freeware programs. >> >> Thanks! >> Bill. allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) wrote: >Same here. I have a M6800D1 and MIKBUG but no source listing. The >function is a very simple program loader/debugger. What was interesting >is the code was written so that routines like TTYin, TTYout, PRINTCHR >and PRINTnum could be called from external programs. Saving some coding >effort. >Allison The first computer I built was a 6800 SS50 bus machine. Of course I wanted to maintain compatiblity with MIKBUG. So I requested from Motorola their Engineering Note 100 titled: MCM6830L7 MIKBUG/MINIBUG ROM And the good news is that I still have the Engineering Note. The first 10 pages describes a little hardware, address decoding and address spaces used. The next 8 pages is a full assembly source listing for MIKBUG. The next 4 pages is the listing for MINIBUG. MIKBUG occupied 512 bytes starting at address E000, it used 128 bytes of ram starting at A000 for scratchpad and the stack, and a PIA at address 8000 for serial interface to a terminal. I rewrote the code to move the I/O bus from 8000 to F400, and the ram from A000 to F000. With the original addressing scheme there was only room for 32K on contigous memory, AND WHO WOULD EVER NEED MORE THAN 32K :) I recoded so that I could have 48K of ram and 12K of Eprom. I also recoded it to use a parallel keyboard interface and to drive a Percom video board. Terminals were not cheap then. I later obtained a hex dump listing of a disassembler. Given the custom of always using the standard MIKBUG entry points, I was able to figure enough about the disassembler to have it disassemble itself and later to disassemble an assembler. Given that info I rewrote both the disassembler and the assembler and then later assembled a disk operating system from a source listing published by some company that had one copy of the book left when I called and ordered it. The DOS was called CP/68, not to be confused with CPM/68, although CP/68 appears to have had its roots in CPM. And now here it is years later and I don't even know how many computers I've got, but I always look back at the time and effort that I put into that first machine. I sometimes feel I put more into it than I got back in terms of doing some productive, but then again what I learned from that has proved worthwhile time and time again. I know that there are those on this list that are barely out of their teens, and quite frankly I wonder sometimes what their fascination is for these old machines. Then again what they will learn from resurrecting some old beast will be worth a lot more than what they learn in some course somewhere. The graduates >from the 'school of hard knocks' always seem to be better. Enough of my ramblings. I looked around the above mentioned web site and did not find Eng Note 100. I would suspect that it may be out there somewhere. If not, and you're unable to get a copy from Motorola, I may be willing to copy the Eng Note and send it out. I just hope I am not deluged with requests. Mike Thompson

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Speaking of Ithaca Audio...

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

Does anyone know where I can find a picture and/or specifications on Ithaca Intersystems products? Specifically, a circa 1980 microcomputer? I've searched the web a lot, and have come up empty. -Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r (Home of the COSMAC Elf Simulator!)

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HMR Haul

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

For them in the Bay area, I want to reiterate that HMR USA is worth a visit. And good news -- They're going to be open on Saturdays. They're going to be open M-Th for businesses only, and Friday and Saturday for individuals. They've got a new web site as well: <http://www.hmrusa.com/> (with no hyphen.) Anyway, I was there, and picked up: AST PenExec (aka GRiD 2260/2270) * Zenith ZFL-181-93 * Toshiba T1100Plus Toshiba T3100e/40 Toshiba T5200/100 (2) Toshiba T5200 NEC MultiSpeed NEC MultiSpeed EL NEC MultiSpeed HD Tandy 1400LT * Halikan LA5040 * IBM PS/2 L40SX * Epson Equity LT Generic "Portable PCIII" Lunchbox Generic (different) "Portable 286" Lunchbox Those marked with a * are ones I need info on the power supply requirements, especially the PenExec, which uses the same kind of connector as a Mac Serial cable, the IBM L40SX, and the Halikan which has a male 5-pin DIN connector. Also, one of the front hinges/supports on the PenExec is broken. Do y'all think it's okay to just super-glue or epoxy it? Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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FW: VAXen wanted

by kyrrin＠jps.net

If anyone can help this fellow out, please reply directly. Besides looking for a VAXStation or similar, he also has some MVII boards available. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- From: mrbill(a)texas.net (Bill Bradford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec Subject: WTB: Older VAXstation or entry-level Alpha Reply-To: mrbill(a)texas.net Message-Id: <slrn6hn10n.78t.mrbill(a)staff2.texas.net> X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX) Lines: 29 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:48:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.207.0.39 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:48:55 CST Path: blushng.jps.net!nntp.snfc21.pbi.net!news.pbi.net!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!nntp.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail If you've got an old VAX system (VAXstation, etc) sitting around in your closet, I'm interested - I want to get a VMS box up and running here at home. Alternatively, I'm looking for an AXPpci33 motherboard and CPU to run AlphaLinux on. I was given a MicroVAX II about a year ago, but the system arrived in beat-up-and-unusable condition without drives. I ended up giving the chassis away, after stripping out all the cards, adapters, and various serial ports, etc. I still have all of that stuff in a box if anyone is interested. In fact, I'll give them free to anyone in the Austin or San Antonio area if you want to come pick them up. I can be reached at mrbill(a)texas.net. Bill -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, SysOp, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272) kyrrin {at} j<p>s d[o]t n=e=t "...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them!..."

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Apple Lisa

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Just how scarce are these machines? I have the opportunity to snare a significant number with software and accessories, shrinkwrapped. A

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True Blue PC/AT Turbo board by Megahertz

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-03-28 09:24:11 EST, you write: << > <1) Does this really work? I thought you couldn't over clock a true AT? > < (This particular motherboard is a "256/512 K System Board" with > < piggy-backed RAM chips. It has lots of "ECOs" on the pin side of > < the board. I don't know if my other one does, too. Note: ECO = > < Engineering Change Order.) >> its my understanding that the original AT bios dated ~1984 would work ok if the machine was overclocked. later versions of the AT bios were fixed so overclocking will give you a post failure for your efforts. of course, my type 1 AT had an aftermarket bios so i didnt have that problem, and i could also specify custom drive types. david

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True Blue PC/AT Turbo board by Megahertz

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Obviously this is meant to over clock the 286, with the rotary switch <allowing increasing the clock frequency until the 286 fails. Overclocking another retrorevionistpc idea. No most likely it allowed you to buy the fastest 286 and clock it at it's native speed. <1) Does this really work? I thought you couldn't over clock a true AT? < (This particular motherboard is a "256/512 K System Board" with < piggy-backed RAM chips. It has lots of "ECOs" on the pin side of < the board. I don't know if my other one does, too. Note: ECO = < Engineering Change Order.) The AT might go a little faster, at some point the DRAM timing goes flakey and otehr things start to get cranky. That's especially true of the ISA cards! <2) Would increasing the 286-6 to a 286-8,10,12 increase the frequency < at which it could reliably run? I have a PGA 286-8, but I'm not < sure there are faster PGA 286s? There are it went all the way to 12 or 16mhz. I have a LCC version thats 12 and the PS/2m50s I have are 10mhz. <3) Any software needed? (The ROMs appear to be the same as on my other < machine.) None but the rams may get unhappy of pushed to fast (data takes time to get out). Allison

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RX01 drive alignment

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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Diamond Trackstar e Apple-in-a-PC board

by kroma＠worldnet.att.net

> I received today a Diamond Computer Systems Trackstar e >Apple ][ emulator board for my PC. Does anyone have any instructions for this >thing?? > Yes. I email them to you separately. -- Kirk

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PC Portables History Article

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

The March '98 issue of PC Portables has an article on the history of Portable computers. And if yer wondering, yep, that's me being quoted in there.

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True Blue PC/AT Turbo board by Megahertz

by djenner＠halcyon.com

I found an IBM PC/AT (for spare parts for another recently acquired one) with a small card placed in between one power supply lead to the motherboard. It also has a lead clipped to the motherboard, presumably to insert modified clock frequency to the 286. On the board it says "Megahertz Corp (c) 1986 286-2 REV 4". The board bolts to the back of the chassis and has one button (reset) and two switches (6MHz-Turbo and rotary 8-9-10-11-12). Obviously this is meant to over clock the 286, with the rotary switch allowing increasing the clock frequency until the 286 fails. So, this suggests these questions: 1) Does this really work? I thought you couldn't over clock a true AT? (This particular motherboard is a "256/512 K System Board" with piggy-backed RAM chips. It has lots of "ECOs" on the pin side of the board. I don't know if my other one does, too. Note: ECO = Engineering Change Order.) 2) Would increasing the 286-6 to a 286-8,10,12 increase the frequency at which it could reliably run? I have a PGA 286-8, but I'm not sure there are faster PGA 286s? 3) Any software needed? (The ROMs appear to be the same as on my other machine.) Thanks for any information anyone can shed on this. Dave

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FWIW: Data General One Laptop spotted for sale

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

Thought someone in the group might be interested. As usual, if you are discovered, I will deny any knowledge of your existence. >We have an OLD Data General One Laptop from 1983!!!! > >We would like to sell it! >It works well, has a modem, and an HP Think Jet Printer! > >No reasonable offer will be refused! > >------- >PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS: >Send all inquires to: mldat(a)the-pentagon.com > >Thank you! > -Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r (Home of the COSMAC Elf Simulator!)

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FW: Tim or Allison? Can you help out?

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Although directed at Tim or Allison (as the two other DEC-savvy folk on here), this one's wide open. I got the attached E-mail from a visitor to my web site. Unfortunately, I'm not that familiar with the hardware he's gotten hold of. Can someone else get in touch with him and give him a nudge in the right direction? Thanks! -=-=- <snip> -=-=- >From: MHarvey863 <MHarvey863(a)aol.com> >Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:32:25 EST >To: kyrrin(a)jps.net >Subject: Please help me >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 161 >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dry.jps.net id TAA11206 > >Hi there. > >I need to beg for help. My department at university has just offloaded its >junk on me & I've got half a dozen VAXstation 2000's, a VAXServer 3550 and a >MicroVAX 3500. Your's is the only site that gives refernce to any of these and >Digital wanted to charge me ?100 before they'ed even give me the time of day. > >Can you help me with any VAX info or machine info. I believe they all work, >but the only compatible monitor I had blew up just before I aquired them. I've >got the odd three-way cable to connect the mouse, keyboard & monitor and I >would ideally like to restore the client/server setup that they were in before >they were junked. > >Thanks very much > >Matt Harvey > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Ithaca Audio and friends

by peacock＠simconv.com

> > Your guesses seem correct about the function of the > connectors, but I'm > > not so sure about the mapping of the 26-pin connector -- > they seem like > > they might be reversed from what I would expect. Here are > a few I buzzed: The 1488 and 1489 are level shifters (+/-12Vdc to/from +5Vdc) for an RS-232 interface. This is consistent with an RS-232 port. Remember, the 26 pin connector will be wired to match whatever serial cable came with the board, they aren't all the same. Jack

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Pinouts, Schematics, Oh Boy - Also:Dead

by szewczykm＠hcgi.com

The other day I picked up a Commodore 128D. [Along with a Timex Sinclaire 1000 with some sort of module hanging off of it that I'm not sure about, Also a Commodore 1541 Floppy all for $25 at a Pawn Shop) Anyhow, I plugged in the C128 and I get only a black screen. I checked the fuses and notice one had been blown. I replaced it and still only had a black screen and a newly blown fuse. I'm going to do some checks on the power supply to see if I can fix the fuse blowing and hopefully the black screen. I also have picked up an Atari 520ST with the external floppy drive - no power supplies or cables. My thinking is that I can always build those if I need to. What all of this is leading to is - Does anyone know of any good resources for pinouts, schematics, etc on the old PC's? Also, does the black screen on the C128D ring any bells for anyone? Thanks! Mike

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More Proof that Intel is Backwards.

by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

So what's new? -----Original Message----- From: Daniel A. Seagraves <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 2:25 PM Subject: More Proof that Intel is Backwards. >God, I hate Intel... >Playing with PDP-11 assembly. Did x86 assemble before. > >X86 move: MOV Destination,Soure >Everything else move: MOV Source, Destination > >Just spent 20 minutes trying to find out why "MOV SP,#1600" >caused a stackfault every time... (SP goes negative on a push, as 1600/ 0) > >Intel is Backwards... >-------

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More Proof that Intel is Backwards.

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

God, I hate Intel... Playing with PDP-11 assembly. Did x86 assemble before. X86 move: MOV Destination,Soure Everything else move: MOV Source, Destination Just spent 20 minutes trying to find out why "MOV SP,#1600" caused a stackfault every time... (SP goes negative on a push, as 1600/ 0) Intel is Backwards... -------

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Ithaca Audio and friends

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Ithica Audio, some pretty neat systems. I used to call on them as an apps engineer back in 1980. I wouldn't mind finding one or at least the floppy controller as I had some influence in the design. <> I also found a National Semiconductor Board Level Computer (BLC). It's <> 8080A single-board computer from 1977. There's also an unpopulated RO <> board in the small card cage. I know zilch about this one. There are <> plenty of unconnected edge-connectors on the CPU board and an on-board <> 8251, so I assume I can make this one fly if I simply figure out the I/ <> connections and power requirements. IF it has two edge connectors it's multibus and it was made a few years later as National was not in the multibus market till 79-81ish. Allison

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Sinclair ZX-80

by revcom＠ruraltel.net

Hello, I'm enjoying the demographics thread for Mar '98. Followed for some time. None of the collections seem to mention a Sinclair ZX-80. I had/have the 4k ROM version, then upgraded to the 8k ROM. "The Monitor Exposed" (I forget the excellent author's name) was and is my kernel in computer science, which is how I now make a modest living. Timex came out with a Sinclair-based machine, too. The Timex 1000, I think. It had more RAM. Both had an expansion port for RAM They ran on a Z80 MPU (Thanks to Rodney Zak! I know my Z80 stuff). There was a magazine called Sync. It had a "alternative" look to the cover. My collection is based on computers with which I've had person experiences. So far, I'm missing some Apples (which shouldn't be hard to find if I get to cities) and a PDP-11/70, which I probably couldn't get to work if I had one. --J. Lynn Hogg jhogg(a)bigfoot.com

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ZX-81 Re: Sinclair ZX-80

by jthiemann＠castleton.com

To implement the "slow" mode, the ZX81 has the NMI line connected to something or other. I have one Timex 1000 and a ZX81, the difference being 1k (1k in the ZX81, 2k in the Timex) but of course, everyone "has" to have one of the wobbly 16k packs! For those interested, you can roll your own ZX80, thanks to the lack of custom chips! (That's right - Z80, RAM, ROM, and a handfull of TTL chips...) Schematics and ROM images (also for ZX81) are at http://www.babytalk.demon.co.uk/zx80/zx80.html -------------------------------------------- Joachim Thiemann DSP Coder, Castleton Network Systems I doubt therefore I might be. > -----Original Message----- > From: John Ruschmeyer [SMTP:jruschme@exit109.com] > Sent: March 26, 1998 22:52 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: ZX-81 Re: Sinclair ZX-80 > > > Hi Lynn, > > > > Timex 1000s are EASY to find! I've passed up dozens of them at > yard > > sales. I have four that I ended up with for one reason or another. > BTW > > I found a ZX-81 the other day. Is anyone familar with it? What's > the > > difference between it and a ZX-80? > > The ZX-81 is basically a ZX-80 with an enhanced ROM and some extra > circuitry > which let it display while computing (SLOW mode). > > The TS-1000 is a ZX-81 with 2K of RAM instead of 1K. > > <<<John>>>

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What is this? AST 88 Mb drive

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

SyQuest? > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe [SMTP:rigdonj@intellistar.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 1998 10:28 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: What is this? AST 88 Mb drive > > I picked up an external drive in a bunch of computer parts. Can anyone > identify it? It looks like a Bernoulli or Syquest drive but is marked "AST > Technologies" and "88 MB C". It's the same size as a Bernoulli > Transportable drive and the cartridge looks like it is *almost* the same > size as a Bernoulli 90 Mb (but it's not!) It has two 50 pin SCSI > connectors > on the back along with a socket for a power cord and two AC outlets. It > included a SCSI cable that has a male DB-25 connctor on the other end. > What kind of cartridge does this take? Is it worth bothering with? > > Joe

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What is this? AST 88 Mb drive

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I picked up an external drive in a bunch of computer parts. Can anyone identify it? It looks like a Bernoulli or Syquest drive but is marked "AST Technologies" and "88 MB C". It's the same size as a Bernoulli Transportable drive and the cartridge looks like it is *almost* the same size as a Bernoulli 90 Mb (but it's not!) It has two 50 pin SCSI connectors on the back along with a socket for a power cord and two AC outlets. It included a SCSI cable that has a male DB-25 connctor on the other end. What kind of cartridge does this take? Is it worth bothering with? Joe

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Fwd: For Sale

by sinasohn＠mail.crl.com

Received this message... Hope someone can help him out... >From: "Joe's Second e-mail" <kainjb(a)mysolution.com> >Subject: For Sale > >While cleaning up my basement I found my Atari 800 with three memory cards, Bit 3 80 column card, original documentation, a game cartridge, BASIC cartridge, several joysticks, and a new floppy drive that was never plugged in (Bought a MAC). I did notice that the space bar was cracked, but it does work :-) > >I would like to sell it all off. Please pass this message to any interested party. > >Thank you in advance. > >Joe Kain >219-436-9966 >219-459-1120 Fax >kainjb(a)mysolution.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Accucard UPS-on-a-card

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I bought this thing with all packaging and manuals. It's called the AccuCard, and is made by Emerson UPS. It fits into an 8-bit ISA slot, and goes between the power supply and motherboard in terms of power. If the power supply should turn off, the thing will keep the mother board on. It claims to save something to disk, but I don't know how it keeps the drives on. I don't think my power cable will reach, but I will try to install it, and report back. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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