- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

I know, I should ask info-vax. But I'm not subscribed there :-( I changed the nodename on my DSSI drive (looks like an HSC50 to the VAX) and it still boots VMS but SYS$SYSDEVICE is set to $24$DIA264 not the newer, more friendly SYSTEM$DIA0: I tried doing an autogen but that didn't seem to change anything :-). Clues? --Chuck

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RL02 question

by dburrows＠netpath.net

>I haven't looked at these very close yet, but aren't the heads in the >drive, not the disk pack? Correct. > >The only damage I can imagine is the bearings and/or races got munged >up... I was meaning after you spun the disk up the first time. Even if you did not hear or smell anything. All to often you will not hear a head crash but you can smell the burning. Usually however with RL02's you will hear a ting stype of sound when they are crashing. Dan > >clint > > >On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Daniel T. Burrows wrote: > >> >I recently purchased a number of RL02 cartridges. Some are labeled: >> >RL02K-DC and some RL02K-EF. >> > >> >What's the difference between them? >> >> The -EF were error free. >> >> > >> >One had one side of the shock indicator set, a second had both set. >> > >> >Would it be a really bad idea to use either of these, or just a bad >> >idea? >> >> Depends of how brave you are.:) >> Clean the heads first anyway. >> Inspect them closely for any dings. Especially on the edges of the >> platters. Then be ready to spin the drive down if you hear anything when it >> first loads. >> Then inspect the heads again for oxide whether you heard anything or not. >> >> Dan >> >> >> >>

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HP 1600A State analyzer available

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Sorry but it has no probes, these will have to be scavenged for. Its in pretty good shape and easily meets the 10 year rule. Probes aren't too hard to find if you look carefully. Anyway, its free for the cost of shipping it somewhere, or if you are near Sunnyvale California (94087) then you can just pick it up. --Chuck

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Need help identifying the following IC/CHIP

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Ram Meenakshisundaram <rmeenaks(a)olf.com> TOSHIBA TC57H256D-70 JAPAN 8906YAA VPP 12.5V Does anyone know what type of IC this is and where I can obtain one? I would love to install this on my IPX and connect my T805-30MHz Xplorer to it. Thanks it's an Eprom or 256kbits size (27C256 class part). Likely 28 pins? The giveaway is the Vpp (programming voltage). Also it sounds like a special version with a 70ns access time. Allison

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RL02 question

by dburrows＠netpath.net

>I recently purchased a number of RL02 cartridges. Some are labeled: >RL02K-DC and some RL02K-EF. > >What's the difference between them? The -EF were error free. > >One had one side of the shock indicator set, a second had both set. > >Would it be a really bad idea to use either of these, or just a bad >idea? Depends of how brave you are.:) Clean the heads first anyway. Inspect them closely for any dings. Especially on the edges of the platters. Then be ready to spin the drive down if you hear anything when it first loads. Then inspect the heads again for oxide whether you heard anything or not. Dan

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Mouse Systems mouse driver

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

Would anyone happen to have a Windows driver for the Mouse Systems optical mouse that they could spare? Thanks Charlie Fox Charles E. Fox Chas E. Fox Video Productions 793 Argyle Rd. Windsor N8Y 3J8 Ontario Canada (519)254-4991, Fax (519)256-3388 foxvideo(a)wincom.net Check out: The Old Walkerville Virtual Museum at http://skyboom.com/foxvideo and Camcorder Kindergarten at http://chasfoxvideo.com

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Slowly blowing a CRT?

by geoff＠pkworks.com

>DON'T EVER GO INSIDE A RUNNING OR RECENTLY POWERED OFF >MONITOR OR TV WITH A CRT UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. Just how recently would recently be? That, frankly, is a matter of dispute. The *correct* answer is to know how to discharge the anode voltage, have the appropriate tools to do so and to measure the result to confirm success, and to perform the procedures properly. (Hint: If you don't know how, find somebody who does.) The service manual from whatever CRT-based device you're messing with should have proper instructions. And if you don't have the service manual, what in heck are you doing in there anyway? Thanks, Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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[OT^2] Re: Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I think I managed to hit 100+MPH on a few occasions. > > > > WHEEEEEEE!! > > I thought all Americans drove at no more than the 50? limit ;-) Speed limit on most U.S. Interstate highways is 65mph... urban areas typically mandate a lower speed limit, we have a section of Interstate locally known as Dead Man's Curve that mandates a 35mph speed limit for semi tractor-trailer rigs, and another section called Hospital Curve where the limit is 50mph for both trucks and cars (and I won't even get into describing our local section known as Spaghetti Junction). Montana? and/or North Dakota flirted with no limits outside ruban areas (actually the law specified that speeds must be reasonable and prudent for the conditions or something like that), but they maye have finally done away with that due to lobbying by insurance company interests. -dq

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PDP-11 history (was Re: Trash or Treasure?)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Jim Arnott <jrasite(a)eoni.com> wrote: > BTW, a short intro... > > I'm Jim Arnott. A former system admin for a LAN using: 11/24s, 11/23s and an > 11/44. O/S rt11sj, rt11sj and rsx11m+ respectively. All Decnetted together. > (Coordinate measuring machines talking to the data gatherer.) It's been a > number of years, but I do remember a bit... Also was hooked to the ibm370 > through RJE-HASP. Out of curiosity, how did you do the HASP connection? I didn't know anyone had an RT-11 HASP product. There were several RSX-11 and RSTS solutions, both from DEC and third parties. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/

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Switching RS-423 connections?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Hello everyone, I would like to build a "4:1" box that can switch between one of four DEC MMJ consoles. This is so my mini-cluster can have one terminal be the console for four machines. However, I've noticed that sometimes I get a 'break' sent if I simply unplug and plug, so to prevent that I want to make a "hold" circuit such that the VAX will continue to thing a terminal is attached. Any suggestions? --Chuck

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RL02 question

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

DC = normal data cartridge, whereas I believe the EF = error free. What do you mean by set? If you mean that its turned red, then I would be less than enthusiastic about using them, and if I bought them on Ebay or something, I'd want my money back. Will J _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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Trash or Treasure?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Sounds like a control computer for a GenRad automated pc-board testing system. They used various pdp11 machines to run their board testing machines. I'd say it's a pretty nice score. -Dave McGuire On September 22, Joe wrote: > A couple of weeks ago I found a box in a scrap yard with a half height 8" > floppy drive it in. The box was marked "Gen-Rad" and looked like part of a > old piece of test equipment. I picked up the box just for the floppy drive > and brought it home. Today I started to take it apart and found that it was > made by Scientific Micro Systems and has a number of DEC cards in it as > well as a Maxtor XT-1085 hard drive. My question is what is it and weather > it's worth keeping or is it just good for parts? > > Here's the details; It's marked "Gen Rad 2295 Central Station" on the > front. The back is marked "Scientific Micro Systems" "model MDX01170". > It's about 9" w x 11" h x 17" deep. On the back it has eight DB-25m ports > on the back. They're marked "TZ0" through "TZ3", "LP0" and "TT0" through > "TT2". Inside it has a DEC M7957 quad board, a half size board made by > Sigma Information Systems Inc (connected to the TT* and LP0 ports), a half > size "Q RAM 11" board made by Clear Point (memory?), a DEC M 8186 half size > card, and a half size SMS card (1002001-0001/0004220-0001) that is also > connected via a jumper to the last card, a full quad size SMS card > (1001939-0001/0003770-0001). The last card has ribbon cables that connect > to the floppy and hard drive. > > Does anyone know what it is? Is it worth anything? FWIW I haven't tried > to connect a terminal to it yet but it appears to power up and boot. > > Joe

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IBM XT 286 (fwd)

by vcf＠siconic.com

If there are any takers, please reply directly to the sender. Reply-To: DGBJ(a)aol.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:34:00 EDT From: DGBJ(a)aol.com Subject: IBM XT 286 I have an IBM XT 286 with color monitor, keyboard, two pin printers, manuals and software to donate to anyone who will make good use of it, preferably a museum. Email or call me at 371-7745. I live in San Jose, California. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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Link Contest Winner

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here are the results of the VCF Link Contest: Hits Website ------- ---------------------------------------- 529 Wireless http://wireless.com 0 Camcorder Kindergarten http://www.chasfoxvideo.com 91 Eric Smith's Retrocomputing Page http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/retrocomputing/ 25 Stan Sieler http://www.allegro.com/people/sieler/index.html 83 Geek and Guru http://www.geekandguru.com 2 Robots Wanted http://www.robotswanted.com 1 UK Classic Computing http://www.classiccomputing.co.uk 4 the antique computer virtual museum http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm 44 Computer Museum http://fee.co.uk 2 Tom's Classic Computers http://home.interpath.net/tcopper/index.html 4486 Obsolete Computer Museum http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/ 98 Jim's Computer Garage http://www.computergarage.org 0 pcbiography.com http://www.pcbiography.com 21 The Leonard Home Page http://www.outnumbered.org 13 Computer Collection http://www.mycomputers.org.uk 24 Retrospective of Xerox Alto, Star 8010 and Elixir Desktop http://www.damer.com/pictures/elixir/products/star.html 20 The Degrader http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Sector/4582/degrader.html 0 League Of Kentucky Sportsmen http://www.loks.org 2 arthurton.com http://www.arthurton.com 4 KitStop.Com http://www.kitstop.com 0 JDS Computers Home http://members.tripod.com/Colts_44/jdsc1.htm 100 A2Central.com http://www.a2central.com 0 Obsolete Mania!!! http://obsoletemania.8m.com 0 ICWhen.com http://www.icwhen.com 24 DOS_forever http://members.theglobe.com/frn/dos_forever/links.html 0 http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/maryha/ 0 Computer History Links http://members.aol.com/Historycd/ComputerHistory1.htm 1 Curtiss' Home Page http://www.pointecom.net/~islander 1 The Amsterdam Post http://www.adampost.com 10 The Near Future SurvPC Home http://survpc.virtualave.net/ 13 JD's Drury University Page http://198.209.54.227 1 All I Need to Know About Computers I Learend from my TRS-80 http://www.explainamation.com/words/trash80.htm There is a clear winner :) Congratulations to Tom Carlson. You will soon be $50 richer! Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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VT100 series video terminal technical manual

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

Does someone have a scanner with a sheet feeder attachment, and also have the desire to scan in the "VT100 series video terminal technical manual"? Its about 1.5 inches thick, all 3 hole punched pages. I assume others would find this manual worth downloading. -Lawrence LeMay lemay(a)cs.umn.edu

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VAX VMS TCP/IP bug? w/ Telnet

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Is there some known bug with the TCP/IP implementation of telnet in the DEC version of TCP/IP ? I installed a fairly recent version of TCP/IP on my 10 year old VAX and when I telnet to it the VAX is driven to its knees and the hub goes wild. Doing a trace on the packets reveals zillions of 10:56:25.213012 unix.1714 > vax.telnet: P 36303:36314(11) ack 20085 win 17520 (DF) [tos 0x10] 10:56:25.216076 vax.telnet > unix.1714: P 20085:20091(6) ack 36314 win 4369 10:56:25.216856 unix.1714 > vax.telnet: P 36314:36325(11) ack 20091 win 17520 (DF) [tos 0x10] 10:56:25.219984 vax.telnet > unix.1714: P 20091:20097(6) ack 36325 win 4369 10:56:25.220726 unix.1714 > vax.telnet: P 36325:36336(11) ack 20097 win 17520 (DF) [tos 0x10] As you can see from the trace a couple of things are strange. Why are the windows screwed up? Why are the TOS bits set? Very confusing. --Chuck

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RK05 transport tips ?

by djg＠drs-esg.com

>From: "jos.mar" <jos.mar(a)bluewin.ch> > >Hello list, > >I might be getting some of the Davos' PDP8 stuff that Megan >mentioned on the list . >The 19 " racks will have to be transported flat, i.e. on their side. >Any tips on how to handle the RK05, RL01 and RL02 ? >Is there some sort of locking mechanism on the R/W heads ? >I sure would hate ruining a I/O devices that I will not easilly find again... > >From alt.sys.pdp8 thread http://x76.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=668383000&CONTEXT=969718419.890961925&hitn… You can see the RK05 head lock at the top of the round positioner housing above the black fan in this picture. It is the golden L bracket with one hex head bolt through it. I don't have a RL0x so can't comment on it. http://www.pdp8.net/rk05/pics/topright.shtml or http://www.pdp8.net/rk05/pics/topright.shtml?large for a big picture which it is more visible in. The drive has a cover with a bunch of quarter turn fasteners which I don't seem to have in any of the picture online. When I moved a rack flat I removed everything up high or heavy in it to get it managable to tip into the truck. After you start tipping is not the time to figure out that its still too heavy to control. A RK05 is 110 lbs David Gesswein http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Old computers with blinkenlights

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cloning VMS installs?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> >Hi everyone, I'm trying to do fairly complete VMS installs on several >machines before Saturday and I was wondering if there was a better way. >Specifically, is it possible to create a standalone backup of a freshly >installed system and then restore that on several machines ? (I realize >that you have to replace the VAX-VMS license but other than that, and >changing the SCSNODE and SCSSYSTEMID is that all that is necessary? > Go for it, saves time. Use STABACKIT to clone the drive afer install but minimal confiuration. I've done it with fully configured drives as well. Allison

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VCF Madness!

by vcf＠siconic.com

Well, I'm rushing about as always before the big weekend getting everything ready. I'm more prepared than ever this time around so everything should go smoothly. I look forward to seeing everyone from the list who's coming to VCF. This is going to be a great weekend! Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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Got my PDP-11/34! Now what?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Well, here's an unpleasant fact... the troubleshooting part of the 11/34A maintenance card suggests "bad KY11-LB" if the run light is lit and there is nothing on the console.. Just in case you don't have the connections right on the M9312, here they are: the black wire from the console goes to TP4, the red wire goes to TP1, and the other wire goes to TP3. FYI, the KY11-LB is the front panel with switches, the KY11-LA is the one without... Will J _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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VT320 connector

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 29, 9:31, Adrian Graham wrote: > They're both true :) The MMJ (jack) is what you plug an MMP (plug) into! > > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > > > The connector is the 6-pin MMP (Moulded Modular Plug ISTR) > > which normally > > > > I've always called them MMJs (Modified Modular Jack IIRC). > > Does anyone > > know which of us (if either) is nearer the truth? Well, FWIW, AMP (who invented them) refer to them as MMJs or MMJ plugs :-) Logically, of course, a jack is the socket and a plug is, well, ... -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Slowly blowing a CRT?

by geoff＠pkworks.com

>> >> Good thing you didn't take the cap off the side of the tube, as you're >> looking at something like 18KV there. DON'T EVER GO INSIDE A RUNNING OR >> RECENTLY POWERED OFF MONITOR OR TV WITH A CRT UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT >> YOU'RE DOING. You could easily be electrocuted, and that would be, as >> they say, "bad." > >IMHO the EHT (the high voltage to the final anode in the CRT) is about >the least likely supply in a monitor to give you a dangerous shock. There >are 2 good reasons for this : The mains supply is obviously the most powerful voltage source in a VT320, but it is entirely wrong to dismiss the anode voltage, for two reasons. 1. My intention was to serve a warning, not to debate the merits of which and what. Somebody who admits to being in over their head, and who managed to blow the vacuum in a CRT and who doesn't recognize the symptoms, may well not know about the possible effect of anode voltage on the human organism - specifically, their own organism. If you've ever gotten across a CRT's anode voltage - as I have - it will knock you right on your ass. 'Hurts like hell, too. Yes, I know it's a high-impedance source whose voltage drops as the current rises, but if it does 100uA at 18KV, how much does it do at 100V? Making several assumptions, 18mA at 100V is quite enough to kill you if you just happen to do it right. And are you any less dead than if you'd plugged yourself into mains current? If you get run over by an automobile are you any less dead than if you got run over by a bus? *ANY* voltage source is worthy of respect. Anything over about 40V or so can be fatal in the right circumstances and I've gotten nasty tickles off 48V phone lines on hot days when I was sweaty and foolishly not being attentive to what I was doing. I've seen people weld themselves to 5V busses with their wedding rings, and suffer serious burns in consequence. 2. Unlike the mains supply, which "goes away" when you unplug the VT320, the CRT anode voltage takes a long time to discharge. I've had TVs take a day to do so. This is often surprising to novices, who sometimes learn the fact the hard way. > >2) The EHT is pretty hard to get at in modern monitors. It's produced >inside the potted flyback transformer/rectifier assembly and sent to the >CRT connector. Everything is well insulated. You're not going to touch it >by accident. Agreed, but here was a poster talking about removing the anode connector >from the CRT, presumably soon after powering the unit down. A classic invitation to "surprise" as ever I've heard one. Also, insulation on flybacks and the anode voltage lead is in an electrically stressful and hot environment, and sometimes gets friable with age. (I've got an old flyback in a junk box in my basement that amply demonstrates the phenomenon.) Even without attempting to remove the anode connector touching the wrong "insulated" thing in an old terminal without first discharging things can be very unpleasant. If you feel that getting across the anode voltage in a VT320 terminal is safe, that dying is unlikely, and that you're adamant enough about it to write to a newsgroup with your views, I ask you please not demonstrate your claims to attempt to prove your point. My whole purpose in making the capitalized comments in my original post was to save lives, not take them. Unless you've got a damned good reason to do otherwise, *ALWAYS* power off what you're working on before poking around inside, and make *CERTAIN* all the high-voltage nodes are discharged. And if for some damn-fool reason you can't do that, whenever you're poking around in circuitry with even a chance of getting a shock, take precautions. (And if you're uncertain, presume there is a shock hazard, and it is high.) In particular, keep one hand in your pocket and wear well insulated shoes on a dry floor. That way, even if you do touch something nasty the current path is less likely to be through your heart. This is *NOT* a sufficient rule, it is merely the first of many, but it is very easy to do and has saved many lives. Everybody, take care out there, OK?

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Slowly blowing a CRT?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >DON'T EVER GO INSIDE A RUNNING OR RECENTLY POWERED OFF > >MONITOR OR TV WITH A CRT UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. > > Just how recently would recently be? Just get out your welding cables and triple layers of rubber gloves, connect one end of the cable to the nearest water pipe, then wedge the tip of an aluminum welding rod up underneath the flyback's attachment to the crt, and prepare for fireworks. YMMV. 8D -dq

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VT320 connector

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> [VT320 cabling] > > > (a) Separate DB25 (female or male) with DEC cable offset > > > connection along with a separate cable with the DEC offset > > > at each end > > > > The connector is the 6-pin MMP (Moulded Modular Plug ISTR) > which normally > > I've always called them MMJs (Modified Modular Jack IIRC). > Does anyone know which of us (if either) is nearer the truth? On mine, the connector lacks any designation; however, the cable says "DECconnect Office Cable". -dq

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[OT^2] Re: Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Peter Joules wrote on 9/27/00 4:28 pm: > > >> I think I managed to hit > >100+MPH on a few occasions. > >> > >> WHEEEEEEE!! > > > >I thought all Americans drove > >at no more than the 50? > >limit ;-) > > > >-- > >Regards > >Pete > > > not really. My friends and I went out mischiefing one > evening.l didn't drive so my friend took us. We hit 130 mph > on the local highway. Ok, until recently (every suspension component needs replacing) my '86 Quattro was pretty fast... on a long flat section of I-64 in southern Indiana, I had it up to 140mph. I think the car had more to give, but my cajones max out at 140. And just to get this back on topic, stock, this car won't go that fast, but I modified the engine controller, a 6805-based embedded processor, by customizing the ROM to not dump the turbo's boost out the wastegate as soon (stock, boost maxes out at 1.3bar, but mine makes it up to 1.8bar), and by adding a bit more fuel via the fuel frequency valve to keep from putting holes in the tops of the pistons. Since the engine controller, like the car, was built in 1986, it vaguely qualifies as being over 10 years old. Stomp on that accelerator, then: one-mississippi, two mississippi, Whoosh! -doug q

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cloning VMS installs?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Hi everyone, I'm trying to do fairly complete VMS installs on several machines before Saturday and I was wondering if there was a better way. Specifically, is it possible to create a standalone backup of a freshly installed system and then restore that on several machines ? (I realize that you have to replace the VAX-VMS license but other than that, and changing the SCSNODE and SCSSYSTEMID is that all that is necessary? --Chuck

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3b2 tape request

by jwest＠mppw.com

Greetings folks; I have a friend who got into 3b2 gear recently. He needs a boot tape for SYSV322. Aparently the boot code for his system has some special code for his model so not just any 3b2 boot tape will work? His system is a 3b2/600G. Can anyone help? Jay West

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VCF

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

Hi, See you all tomorrow at the VCF. For those who care I'll be wearing a TOPO TOPO TOPO TOPO HELLLLO T-Shirt. I hope to get to meet some of you... Francois

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cloning VMS installs?

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

I don't see why not; VMS itself isn't tied into the SID of the machine. Obviously just install onto one disk in one machine then transfer that vanilla install via STABACKIT onto the others....I gather we're talking VAXen here? I love booting standalone backup off tape.....:o) Not. What I've done in the past is install onto one system then put that disk into the next machine and image backup across onto another one etc.....ISTR there weren't any problems, but it was a few years ago! a > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck McManis [mailto:cmcmanis@mcmanis.com] > Sent: 29 September 2000 07:40 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: cloning VMS installs? > > > Hi everyone, I'm trying to do fairly complete VMS installs on several > machines before Saturday and I was wondering if there was a > better way. > Specifically, is it possible to create a standalone backup of > a freshly > installed system and then restore that on several machines ? > (I realize > that you have to replace the VAX-VMS license but other than that, and > changing the SCSNODE and SCSSYSTEMID is that all that is necessary? > > --Chuck >

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VT320 connector

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

They're both true :) The MMJ (jack) is what you plug an MMP (plug) into! > -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > Sent: 28 September 2000 21:04 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: VT320 connector > > > [VT320 cabling] > > > (a) Separate DB25 (female or male) with DEC cable offset > > > connection along with a separate cable with the DEC offset > > > at each end > > > > The connector is the 6-pin MMP (Moulded Modular Plug ISTR) > which normally > > I've always called them MMJs (Modified Modular Jack IIRC). > Does anyone > know which of us (if either) is nearer the truth? > > -tony >

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VT320 connector

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> >I've always called them MMJs (Modified Modular Jack IIRC). Does anyone >know which of us (if either) is nearer the truth? > >-tony Tony is correct. That is the DEC description and usage save for here we do use both jack and the plug that goes into it. So MMJ is the most common MMP with it being Modified Modular Plug is right but uncommon. Allison

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VAXstation 4000/VLC and Tape Drives

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

OK, I'm stumped here. I'm trying to get it so I once again have a VAX as part of my cluster, and I'm wanting to have him be a Tape server with both a 4mm and a TZ30 drive. I've got the following setup Drive SCSI ID ----------- ---------- 2 GB HD 0 TZ30 3 CD-ROM 4 4mm 6 Here is what I see for tape drives: $ sho dev mk Device Device Error Volume Free Trans Mnt Name Status Count Label Blocks Count Cnt $12$MKA300: (LNGTOM) Online 0 $ Where on earth is my 4mm. I can't see it from the ROM prompt either. Is there something about the VLC that only lets you have a tape at SCSI ID #3? IIRC, that's the standard DEC location for a tape drive. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> >It is better to tell undergrads that cars do not fly, then to explain to >them that _most_ cars don't fly but some very creative types in Santa >Monica once converted a Pinto into an airplane by attaching wings and a >tail and adding a pusher prop. True, Palm was a weak choice but there are plenty of OSs that are romable. >I usually hear on of three reasons why people "drop out" of college: > > 1) They run out of money. > 3) They quit to pursue an opportunity of a lifetime. > > Well if they are interviewing with me then that opportunity > didn't work out, and if they didn't go back to school > then I have to wonder if maybe they just weren't cut > out for it. I add #4 1 occured, 3 kept me eating and 4 was major surgery with a long recovery. I may be the oddball, I didn't go back as my career was moving forward dispite that and I had no qualms of going back for non grad (and non credit) courses. >college, seeks out things to learn about, plows through the paper work and >general education requirements, and exits with a diploma is someone I will I larned to accept the paper as in engineering there are two rules. 1) if you didn't write it down it never happend (or isnt done) 2) for every hour of design there will be many hours of documentation about it. 30 years in the biz supports that. Rather than tolerate pablum in classes I chose to challenge the profs. I had time carrying a techs bag (how I paid for school) so there were things I knew and could be intelligent on and sometimes I had to eat a foot for being stupid. In the end I learned and I learned more because I wanted more. Education is worth what you put in it. >taught anything. I ask them, "Why did you tolerate not learning anything?" >And they are usually pretty dumbfounded like, "Gee aren't you just supposed >to put in your 2 to 4 years and get out?" Your right, that is lame. Oh, the biggest peice of foot I ever ate... small computers will never be as prolific as they are. However, despite that I was designing with 8008 in '73, it was interesting (and that golden opportunity). Allison

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[OT^2] Re: Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Kevin Stewart <stewart_kevin(a)hotmail.com> >not really. My friends and I went out mischiefing one evening.l didn't drive so my friend took us. We hit 130 mph on the local highway. Back when I was younger...and dumber I did the Boston to NY run at 4am in 3hours and 45 minutes, the milage was 228, you do the math... remember thats an average, the peak was 134. Seems there is traffic and tools at the NY end. Allison

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Speed Limits

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: John Allain <John.Allain(a)donnelley.infousa.com> >I believe I saw 75MPH in rural Kansas just two years ago. > >[The first place I saw 65MPH return was Route 128 > (Technology Highway) outside Boston. Fitting.] I'm old enough to remember crusing up the Northway (RT-87 NY) at 75 and have a cop pass me a give a dirty look cos the old ford was doing the best if could! Here in MA, I drive RT495 and RT going north in the AM (against traffic) and there are times when 75, aint near fast enough to avoid getting run over >from behind. Yet every day I see at least one Darwin award wanna be. Stupid people tricks. Allison

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[OT^2] Re: Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS)

by stewart_kevin＠hotmail.com

Peter Joules wrote on 9/27/00 4:28 pm: >> I think I managed to hit >100+MPH on a few occasions. >> >> WHEEEEEEE!! > >I thought all Americans drove >at no more than the 50? >limit ;-) > >-- >Regards >Pete > not really. My friends and I went out mischiefing one evening.l didn't drive so my friend took us. We hit 130 mph on the local highway. kevin

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Video digitizing in ~1976?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

My "Ancient Alphabetic Art" web page (at http://www.threedee.com/jcm/aaa/) generated an inquiry >from a visitor. He wrote: >I recently found a photo of me & my mom taken arounf 1976. It was taken >at the Del Mar Fair in San Diego and it was a booth that took your photo >with a computer and then printed it out on an old dot matrix printer and >the photo was made up of letters - there was no variation in density so >the type of letter is what made the difference. You could get it >printed on a paper or a t-shirt. (thank god we got the paper because >there is no way we'd still have the t-shirt) I can't believe we still >had the paper. I am going to take the image to work tomorrow and scan it >and e-mail it to you. I am dying for any information about how this >picture was made and on what system with what program and if these even >still exsist. ... >Like i said in 1975 at a town fair me & my mom sat in >front of a computer and it printed out this photo on a >dot matrix printer. He sent along a scan of an old image he had. You can see it at http://www.threedee.com/jcm/aaa/erik.html if you like. I remember systems like this, too. Who made them? What were their specs (which printer, what sort of video digitizer, etc.)? I would suspect they were a franchise of some sort. - John

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Slowly blowing a CRT?

by geoff＠pkworks.com

Good thing you didn't take the cap off the side of the tube, as you're looking at something like 18KV there. DON'T EVER GO INSIDE A RUNNING OR RECENTLY POWERED OFF MONITOR OR TV WITH A CRT UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. You could easily be electrocuted, and that would be, as they say, "bad." It sounds to me that when you pulled the socket off the end of the tube or put it back on you broke the vacuum stem. Most of the connections to the innards of a CRT go through the pins at that end, and in the middle is usually a sealed thin glass tube (which may be buried under a cylindrical plastic key), which is where the manufacturer attached the pump to evacuate the whole thing during manufacturing. Alternately, you may have cracked the glass frit seals around one or more of the pins when you pulled off or put on the socket. If you've cracked the stem or a seal and lost the vacuum the CRT is gonzo and will have to be replaced. -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 3:15 PM Subject: RE: Slowly blowing a CRT? >Paul- > >I can't help you with parts or theory-of-operation, but if >you need a working amber VT320, I've got one for sale. > >regards, >-doug q > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul Williams [mailto:celigne@tinyworld.co.uk] >> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 3:46 PM >> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >> Subject: Slowly blowing a CRT? >> >> >> I spent an half an hour today operating beyond my level of competence, >> but I seemed to get away with it. >> >> I took apart an old VT320 terminal because I wanted to measure the >> display refresh rate. From disassembling the ROM I know that a frame >> interrupt is passed to the microcontroller, so I thought I'd open the >> case, prise apart the tube and the main PCB, connect an oscilloscope >> probe to the appropriate pin on the microcontroller, power up the >> terminal and get my timings. >> >> I was reassembling the terminal when an odd rattling and >> whistling sound >> made me dive for cover. This noise went on for about 15 >> seconds and then >> all went quiet. I very nervously approached the terminal and finished >> snapping the case together. I've not attempted to power it up since. >> >> I had noticed that the tube bore a label claiming that it had an >> implosion protection system, so several questions occur to me. >> >> 1. Is it possible that I've somehow blown the tube by shorting one of >> its connections soon after disconnecting the power? I noticed >> that there >> are a number of large capacitors on the circuit board, but I >> don't know >> how long they take to discharge. >> >> 2. There are two sets of wires going to the CRT. One set of >> five (six?) >> goes to a cap on the end of the tube, and another wire (HT?) >> goes to the >> side of the tube. I took the cap off the back of the tube, but didn't >> touch the wire at the side. Can that be safely disconnected? >> >> 3. Why would a mere software engineer be doing something this >> foolhardy? >> Don't even attempt to answer that. >>

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Video digitizing in ~1976?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> My "Ancient Alphabetic Art" web page > (at http://www.threedee.com/jcm/aaa/) generated an inquiry > from a visitor. He wrote: [..snip..] > >Like i said in 1975 at a town fair me & my mom sat in > >front of a computer and it printed out this photo on a > >dot matrix printer. > > He sent along a scan of an old image he had. You can see it at > http://www.threedee.com/jcm/aaa/erik.html if you like. > > I remember systems like this, too. Who made them? What were > their specs (which printer, what sort of video digitizer, etc.)? > I would suspect they were a franchise of some sort. God, wasn't that yet another end-of-life application for the IBM 1130? I remember them being used for automated horoscopes and other stuff, set up at the damned mall. Two booths down was the splatter-art booth (non-computerized, what *did* they call that???). -dq

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Computer Market Phases

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 05:14 PM 9/28/00 -0400, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: >But money that requires a working network link in order to be >used will never be acceptable to me. It's one thing to have to >wait a few minutes until they can make a connection (i.e. to get >a dial tone as I mentioned above); it's another to have to come >back the next day to make a purchase that's needed right _now_. Here in southern Wisconsin, we recently had an outage where (I think) a backhoe operator *stretched* a fiber cable, resulting in an unusually difficult-to-patch series of breaks. Everything was down in several counties for a long while: net, long-distance between counties, city-to-city, ATMs, cellular. The local bank would've given me cash if I'd known my account number when I walked in, but my ATM card wasn't sufficient - an example of how one number is better than another, I guess. :-) - John

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VT320 connector

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >> > The connector is the 6-pin MMP (Moulded Modular Plug ISTR) > >> which normally > >> > >> I've always called them MMJs (Modified Modular Jack IIRC). > >> Does anyone know which of us (if either) is nearer the truth? > > > >On mine, the connector lacks any designation; however, the > >cable says "DECconnect Office Cable". > > Yuck I have some of these, either miniDin9 or close on one end, looks like > RJ11 on the other (hoped they were serial cables for Seiko label printers), > but clearly marked DECconnect Office Cable. Rats. Mine have the offset RJ-11-looking connector on both ends; one of which plugs into the adapter that has a femail DB25 on the other end. -dq

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Computer Market Phases (Was: Our fine educational system (was : Login on VMS))

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jerome Fine [mailto:jhfine@idirect.com] > >Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > Jerome Fine replies: > > I agree that the 711 and 716 referred to below had the patch cables, > but also as referred to below, the IBM 650 which arrived around > 1955 (if I remember correctly) was a full blown computer. [..snip..] > Since the IBM 650 had over 20 KByes of memory (yes I know it was on a > drum, but it was still there) along with solid state memory of between 200 and > 600 bytes, I really do think it qualified as a full blown computer - even though > the 20 KBytes of memory (actually 2000 * 10 decimal digit values) was on a > drum. And the I/O was mostly ONLY punch cards. The version of the > IBM 650 (sort of dates me - doesn't it) I worked with also had 3 tape drives. Was I thinking of a 605? Or, despite its actual architecture, was the 650 perhaps marketed as a calculator? And yeah, patch panels, still got one or two of those... > I realize that the CPU was probably slower than a present day calculator. > But for insurance companies, it was still far faster than a 711 and a card > sorter and that 716 printer - especially the models with the tape drives. > > The key aspect that drove the computer revolution was that accounting > with even the IBM 650 was far faster than a whole room full of clerks. > IBM justified the price of each such computer based on how much it > would save the customer rather than how much it cost to make the > computer. That computer market held for a long time and the companies > that made computers had no trouble making a profit. Agreed. > But I am really after what the market MIGHT be like in 2010? In > industrial countries, will the use of the computer be as necessary > as the telephone - indeed will most (all?) phone conversations take > place via a computer via the internet? Will the internet become > as widespread as phones are now? Might almost everyone have > their own cell phone and land lines kept only as an older system? > When will the last x86 instruction set chip be made? The PSTN is a nearly flawless network. Not quite, but nearly... my LOC has been overselling its switches recently. When I pick up a phone at 8:30pm EDT and can't get dial tone, I get P-O'd very quickly. Of course, we all know where all those switch connections are being used for... ;-) > On a different note, might the use of cash (folding money) become > so rare that only the criminal element would require this mode > of exchange. If so, it might become more reasonable to ask > the law abiding folk to give up a bit of their privacy, as well as > the underground economy, and thereby be able to curb corruption. > Since so much of the legal economy is already based on plastic > and the internet (I hear that in Canada, cheques are way down > and the Interact is the most popular way of buying groceries) > which becomes not only safer for the buyer but many fewer > bad cheques for the vendor. The other day, I needed to make an urgent medical purchase at the local pharmacy (chemist for some of y'all), but was unable to do so, because "the satellite link is down". When businesses begin allowing customers to run a tab (as standard policy) when they can't use their ATM cards for a transaction (and we're talking about people who would either be denied a credit card or forced into what nearly amounts to indentured servitude to get one), then I'll say we're on our way to a cashless society. But money that requires a working network link in order to be used will never be acceptable to me. It's one thing to have to wait a few minutes until they can make a connection (i.e. to get a dial tone as I mentioned above); it's another to have to come back the next day to make a purchase that's needed right _now_. > Eliminating cash would be a fundamental change to society. > But the internet might make that possible. I don't think that > this type of speculation was included in Market Phases, but > perhaps. More OT I guess. Oops, yup, there we go again, right over the topic edge... :-) -dq

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Computer Market Phases (Was: Our fine educational system (was : Login on VMS))

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Not really computers IMHO (no flames please). These systems were > > wired up with patch cables to perform specific calculations, then > > rewired for the next. Although the patch cables can be considered > > a form of 'stored program', it's just not the same. > > Hmmm! Seems like I remember something about punched card input to tube > type computers in that era. Wouldn't that qualify? Yup... the IBM Model 650 Calculator was a card-fed machine. Tube & relay- based, it came with the model 711 card reader and model 716 line printer (which I once owned and wish I hadn't stripped for recycling 10 years ago). :-( -dq

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Slowly blowing a CRT?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

!!!!! Sorry again, everyone, for what was supposed to be a private response. -dq > Paul- > > I can't help you with parts or theory-of-operation, but if > you need a working amber VT320, I've got one for sale. > > regards, > -doug q >

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VT320 connector

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Jerome typed thusly: > I acquired a couple of VT320 terminals, but I forgot about > the DEC offset connector at the rear. On inquiry, I am told > that they come in two flavours: > (a) Separate DB25 (female or male) with DEC cable offset > connection along with a separate cable with the DEC offset > at each end The connector is the 6-pin MMP (Moulded Modular Plug ISTR) which normally came attached to a BN16E cable like this one here - <holds up BN16E-10 and waves it in front of the screen :)>. The DB25 plug is an H8571 and there are several sub-variants depending on gender of the DB25 end and whether pins 2&3 are crossed over, plus a 9-pin version of same called an H8575 (from memory). You can also get RJ45-MMP cables, part #BN24H and BN24J depending on whether you need straight through or crossed. If your VT320 is a UK one it comes with a standard male DB25 socket on the back anyway, ISTR US ones didn't. I can probably find spares of all of the above.... cheers

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Slowly blowing a CRT?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Paul- I can't help you with parts or theory-of-operation, but if you need a working amber VT320, I've got one for sale. regards, -doug q > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Williams [mailto:celigne@tinyworld.co.uk] > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 3:46 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Slowly blowing a CRT? > > > I spent an half an hour today operating beyond my level of competence, > but I seemed to get away with it. > > I took apart an old VT320 terminal because I wanted to measure the > display refresh rate. From disassembling the ROM I know that a frame > interrupt is passed to the microcontroller, so I thought I'd open the > case, prise apart the tube and the main PCB, connect an oscilloscope > probe to the appropriate pin on the microcontroller, power up the > terminal and get my timings. > > I was reassembling the terminal when an odd rattling and > whistling sound > made me dive for cover. This noise went on for about 15 > seconds and then > all went quiet. I very nervously approached the terminal and finished > snapping the case together. I've not attempted to power it up since. > > I had noticed that the tube bore a label claiming that it had an > implosion protection system, so several questions occur to me. > > 1. Is it possible that I've somehow blown the tube by shorting one of > its connections soon after disconnecting the power? I noticed > that there > are a number of large capacitors on the circuit board, but I > don't know > how long they take to discharge. > > 2. There are two sets of wires going to the CRT. One set of > five (six?) > goes to a cap on the end of the tube, and another wire (HT?) > goes to the > side of the tube. I took the cap off the back of the tube, but didn't > touch the wire at the side. Can that be safely disconnected? > > 3. Why would a mere software engineer be doing something this > foolhardy? > Don't even attempt to answer that. >

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VAXStation 4000 VLC

by stewart_kevin＠hotmail.com

Hello all, I have a VaxStation 4000 VLC (David I promise I'm going to send the Amiga this weekend!) without an OS. I'd love to run VMS on it (I have a DECUS membership -- I love free student memberships ;) ) but I have no idea how to go about it. I have an external 1.3 gig SCSI drive for the SCSI port, an AUI -> BNC transceiver for ethernet... but no console. I'm looking for that cable to go from the serial port to a terminal. Where can I get one? Also, are there any FAQs or documents that describe installation? I have a SCSI CD (1X, woohoo!) and an NFS/FTP server. BOOTP is almost set up, DHCP already is. Can the machine come to life with bootp and tftp? Is it possible to install VMS this way? Thanks, Kevin

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VT320 connector

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 28, 10:01, Adrian Graham wrote: > Jerome typed thusly: > > > I acquired a couple of VT320 terminals, but I forgot about > > the DEC offset connector at the rear. On inquiry, I am told > > that they come in two flavours: > > (a) Separate DB25 (female or male) with DEC cable offset > > connection along with a separate cable with the DEC offset > > at each end > > The connector is the 6-pin MMP (Moulded Modular Plug ISTR) which normally MMJ -- Modified Modular Jack; it's based on an an RJ11 but with the latch offset. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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It runs!

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

MicroVAX III? > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Lane [mailto:kyrrin@bluefeathertech.com] > Sent: 26 September 2000 20:18 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: It runs! > > > Yes, indeed it does! It's official as of this morning > -- I'm managing my > own web server (a SPARCClassic at the moment, most likely a > MicroVAX III > later) thanks to a solid DSL pipeline, a Zyxel router (not > classic - in > production less than a year), and some static IPs.

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DEC-423 MMJ -> Serial

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

See my other reply to Jerome! > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Stewart [mailto:stewart_kevin@hotmail.com] > Sent: 28 September 2000 12:24 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: DEC-423 MMJ -> Serial > > > Hello, I'm looking for a DEC 423 MMJ to DB9 or DB25 cable. > Can anyone point > me in the right direction? > > Thanks, > Kevin >

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DEC-423 MMJ -> Serial

by stewart_kevin＠hotmail.com

Hello, I'm looking for a DEC 423 MMJ to DB9 or DB25 cable. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks, Kevin

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scsi card for microvax 3400

by dburrows＠netpath.net

I already did and pasted below is the response I got from the seller. I work daily with these and unless it ends up real cheap I will not even bother with it. I would only be going for it for the odd customer that might be desperate for a replacement. Put another way I have never had a request for one to date. Dan Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:19:17 -0500 From: Phil Slaughter <orchids(a)usit.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel T. Burrows" <dburrows(a)netpath.net> Subject: Re: Ebay Qbus SCSI #448527001 References: <000901c026af$53eb0f60$a652e780@L166> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: dan, it took some research, since i sold the computer with all of the documentation a couple of years ago and just came across a few "spare parts" recently, but here it is. the is a dtc 11-1 scsi board, made by dtc and compatible with the dec manufactured ones. this particular one was used to connect 2 10.5" iomega alpha 10, 10 meg removable drives to the pdp-11. some of the info i found indicated that this controller board might also work with some sasi drives, but i'm not sure about that. hope this helps. if you should want some iomega drives for your system, if you buy this adapter, then they are available at www.weirdstuff.com/html/drives.htm. thanks for your interest, phil "Daniel T. Burrows" wrote: > Please forward the make and model of this. I am interested but I can't > identify it from the picture. > > Thanks > Dan >Can someone please look at the qbus scsi card on ebay now (item 448527001) and >tell me if it will work in a microvax 3400? > >Thanks...if it will work in a microvax 3400, please don't bid me out. > >-Bob >Bob Brown >Saved by grace >Intranet Sysadmin Page: http://info1.harper.cc.il.us/~bbrown

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Finds at Computer Parts Barn

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

At 07:42 PM 9/26/00 -0400, you wrote: >Ed Kirby at CPB has lots of Vaxstation 4000's with drives, keyboards, mice >... These are 55mhz machines with 40mb ram, a drive of your choice sizewise >He is asking something like $300.00 for the whole system as described >above. That is a VAX 4000/60 and even on Ebay they rarely go for more than $150. The 4000/90's go for more but they are 72Mhz machines. --Chuck

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<help!> Need help with HP Vectra

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> >Having so recently won the battle with a HP pavillion (k62-366 6360), my FYI: if your running an AMD K6-2 faster than 266mhz you need a patch from the MS download site as there is a bug in W95 that it trips up. Allison

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Sync-on-Green Monitors (was: Re: Finds at Computer Parts Barn)

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Zane; I have a friend here in Portland who is still in the same business as I was. He specializes in monitors. I saw him pitch a bunch of DEC Fixed Frequency monitors a while back (he had to move) so I know he gets them occasionally. He always has multi syncs. Email me off the list about what you are looking for. Paxton

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Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> >You're in good company: Keep in mind I had little touch with leadign edge tech back in 70/71 when I made my school choices. I was fixing tube based equippment mostly and an IC was rather crude stuff. >"There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in their >home." > -- Ken Olson, President of DEC, World Future Society > Convention, 1977 In one sense he was right but the desktop and killer apps like spreadsheets and user friendly databases were phase one and new. It took more than that to get the kitchen computer real. The internet or more correctly the ubiqious communications it represents was phase two. > difference -- the beauty of UNIX is it's simple; and the beauty of VMS > is that it's all there. > -- Ken Olsen, president of DEC, DECWORLD Vol. 8 No. 5, 1984 > Around the same time I got a Unix the unsystem teeshirt. UNIX in a no symbol (red slashed circle). By time it was getting somewhat worn AT&T made unix a DOD standard and Ultrix was hot soon after. Allison

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VT320 connector

by jhfine＠idirect.com

I acquired a couple of VT320 terminals, but I forgot about the DEC offset connector at the rear. On inquiry, I am told that they come in two flavours: (a) Separate DB25 (female or male) with DEC cable offset connection along with a separate cable with the DEC offset at each end (b) A combined DB25 female at one end and the cable with the DEC offset to be plugged into a VT320 at the other end This is a request to find out if anyone has a couple to spare at a reasonable price? If you are still using them, please don't be concerned as I probably won't get everything set up to use the VT320 terminals for about 4 weeks. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine

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It runs!

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

It's only called a MicroVAX III when its used to upgrade a I or II in a BA23 or BA123, I think.. something along those lines anyway. Will J _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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pdp 8 information

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

I hacked together some pdp8 documentation i've scanned in, and made it available at: http://www.itlabs.umn.edu/~lemay Not all of the links are working at the moment, but you can at least look at the CESI PDP8 Omnibus board information sheets, and PDP 8/L manuals, as well as a few sheets from Douglas Electronics Inc that show pictures of their line of DEC compatible breadboards. More info to come as I find the time to scan it in. I should someday have the doc of PDP 8/E Pascal as written at the University of Minnesota, plus the RX01 images available. Also Pascal-S doc, and a variety of doc on floating point programming for the 8/e (which was used in developing Pascal at the UofM). Somday I might even scan in the User Manual, and the Small Computer Handbook, 8/L versions... Of course, that will take a lot of free time. -Lawrence LeMay

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We saved one!

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

>From the guy who had the free PDP-11 system in the UK, a week or so ago: From: "Andrew Bailey" <engdesk(a)intelfaxdev.co.uk> To: <mrbill(a)mrbill.net> Subject: Thanks for help Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:27:53 +0100 Dear Bill, One Friday afternoon I sent you an email about a free PDP11. Within forty minutes the first interested people were mailing me back. I am happy to report that the machine has now been collected and is going to be put to good use. Many thanks for helping to recycle an impressive (and extremely heavy) computer system. Andrew Bailey Intelfax Developments Ltd. -- Bill Bradford * KD5LQR mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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<help!> Need help with HP Vectra

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> >I'm using W98, but I have the patch (or a speed related patch anyway). >Lesson one for me was "carefully" make note of ALL the stinkin patches, Yes! Also check out 98lite on the net. Take a few files from w95, a w98 cdrom(SR2!) and use that to script an install for a really nice fast W98 system. >The KILLER though for a Pavillion at least, is that W98 always thinks its >stuff is the best, so if you redetect some hardware it will "SAY" whatever >it has is the "BEST". So many microseconds after the HP specific driver >gets replaced you lockup and get to pursue manually restoring stuff in safe >mode. That can be turned of and it helps to remove the offending files. Msot of the however they are better from a robustness stand point even if they are slower and less feature laden. >Its actually really stinking just how well this system is running right >now. Everything I toss at it, and its been a loading testing frenzy of >boxes of old games, has worked just fine EXCEPT some of the really old DOS Getting some dos stuff to run is a matter of setting up the properties some to make them happy. I've run Gcadd6.1 (DOS!) under w3.1, W95, W98 and it runs killer under WinNT4 and I was told impossible. Allison

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OT: MS Future (Was: RE: Computer Market Phases & a vision of the future)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I see the loss of Microsoft as the industry leader, because of the > anti-trust breakup. Nah... The Supreme Court bounced it back into the D.C. Court of Appeals, and the D.C. Court of Appeals hates Judge Jackson worse than everyone hates MS, so it's lookin' pretty good for 'ol BG.

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Computer Market Phases (Was: Our fine educational system (was : Login on VMS))

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Phase III - Characterized by the start of LSI. Hardware costs were > > still high and operating systems were mostly bundled. Volume was > > still low in most cases - up to about 1985 - IBM was still the major > > player, but no longer so dominant > > MSDOS wasn't available separate from the hardware until much later. > I remember running a copied version of DOS on a brand new '286 clone > I built from parts purchased from Jameco. I searched high and low, > and couldn't find MSDOS unbundled anywhere. This was about a year or > so after the '286 was released (early '90s? I don't remember) Also not quite right... alhtough it certainly wasn't a shrink-wrapped product, you could purchase MS-DOS without hardware by buying the Binary Adaptation Kit. These were available from at least MS-DOS 1.25, and maybe for MS-DOS 1.1 as well. Pretty cool, you got .OBJ files (or were they still .REL files?) for most of DOS, and source for drivers and utilities (ANSI.SYS and PRINT.COM come to mind). regards, -doug q

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It runs!

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

I'm just a bit confused - I don't remember 'em over here in't UK and I've been in the DEC arena since 1984.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Lane [mailto:kyrrin@bluefeathertech.com] > Sent: 27 September 2000 15:01 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: It runs! > > > At 09:44 27-09-2000 +0100, Adrian wrote: > > >MicroVAX III? > > Yeppers. KA650 CPU, DEC codename 'Mayfair.' Wonderful > board, quite a bit > faster than an MV-II (KA630). They run NetBSD quite well. > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > -=-=-=-=- > Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies > http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com > Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) > "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living > thing in our > own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..." >

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Finds at Computer Parts Barn

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

At 08:59 PM 9/26/00 -0400, Jeff wrote: >But that is only for the computer, often without mice/keyboards and >definitely without the 19" color monitor. The monitors are worth quite a >bit still today. Actually DEC fixed frequency monitors are usually free here on the west coast. Nobody wants 'em since they can't be used with anything else. A nice Viewsonic with dual ports (one for the VAX one for the PC!) gets top dollar. >If breaks down to something like $150 or $200 for the >machine and periperals, Again, its rare that a complete computer + 48M + disk goes for more than $150 on Ebay. > and $100 or $150 for the monitor. However you >break it down, Mice/Keyboards add another $15 - $20. >$300 for a complete, tested system is a good deal. This certainly carries some weight, especially if Ed is willing to warrant that the systems will function after they arrive for some period of time. My only comment was that these are Ebay prices, and often such prices aren't "deals". (A deal is when the message comes across the list 'Free, if you pick 'em up!', that's a deal) So "missing out" on Ed's offer isn't like you won't get a 4000/60 anytime soon, just buy one off Ebay. It is cheap if you look at what the DEC resellers want but that is a totally different market/mindset (and you usually get some support from the reseller) Please don't take this as a negative, it can be feedback for Ed if you choose, but it is always interesting to hear that systems are available. --Chuck

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Free to a good home: HP Paintjet XL - A classic

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

Complete. Original manuals, manual holder, brush, original drivers disk. Clean. Very good condition. What more can I say? Oh, yeah, desirous person pays shipping from Washington, PA 15301. Please contact me off list if interested. Bill whdawson*at*mlynk.com ? Your computer will do far more than you ever expected it to, and that won't be enough. Pournelle's First Law

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Got my PDP-11/34! Now what?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 26, Owen Robertson wrote: > All right. I'll start identifying the boards right now. I spent two months > checking the CPU over before I ever powered it up. I haven't turned on the > drives yet. Where on the internet can I find a site that will help me ID the > cards? http://world.std.com/~mbg/pdp11-field-guide.txt -Dave McGuire

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what is a GRiD 2270?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Saw this grid in a thrift store. I think it's a 2270 model. Its looks like a tablet computer with a flip up LCD and no keyboard. It also appears to have serial/VGA connectors and a pc card slot. any more details on it? DB Young ICQ: 29427634 hurry, hurry, step right up! see the computers you used as a kid! http://www.nothingtodo.org

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TI Explorer...

by mlnealey＠earthlink.net

Hi All, I have a need for info on the TI Explorer. Anyone have anything on this? It was an add in LISP board for Mac computers. I am specifically looking for docs and any software. Thanks! Mike N.

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I got married!

by dburrows＠netpath.net

>Chrissy me branded with the wedding date and her birthday just before the >honeymoon. Ouch! No the real ouch comes when you forget one of them.:) I speak from experience (ex-wife) My present wife and I have both forgotten out wedding date until a week or 2 later. Dan

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Tracy Kidder

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: THETechnoid(a)home.com <THETechnoid(a)home.com> >Ooops. I guess I figured that Tracy was a lady's name. I should get a >copy. It has been some twelve years since I last read it. > >Regards, > >Jeff His full name on the cover is John Tracy Kidder... Allison

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looking for pdp11/05 processor boards

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 26, Eric Smith wrote: > > Hi folks...subject says it all...anybody got a set of pdp11/05 cpu > > boards that they wouldn't mind parting with? I'm willing to pay a > > reasonable sum. > > Presumably you have an 11/05 backplane to shove them into? Otherwise > they're not much use. Of course I do, man. ;) A whole machine, actually. Just sans processor board set. -Dave McGuire

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I got married!

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

At 22:32 23-09-2000 -0400, you wrote: >>From: THETechnoid(a)home.com <THETechnoid(a)home.com> > > >>>Without bothering you all too much, I thought it might be worth knowing >>>that Chrissy and I were married on Sept. 9 2000. It was a beautiful >>>day/time and I love her very much. > > >>Well I for one think that is so on topic that congrats are a must. <snip> I couldn't agree more. Especially considering that you've found an understanding mate that is supportive of your techie side. Speaking from personal experience, do you have ANY idea how rare that is? ;-) >>I do hope she supports your collecting. > >She sure does and I thank God for that. > >She endured my Data General phase without a hiccup. >She Must love me! It took five months. From pillow-talk alone, she knows >more about MV machines than Tracy Kidder herself. If she starts getting edgy about it, you can tell her to E-mail my own lifemate, Dana (kathy(a)bluefeathertech.com). We've been married for six-plus years now, so she knows very well what it means to be married to a budding engineer. Congrats! May you have smooth sailing. Oh, and NEVER forget your anniversary date! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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I got married!

by frustum＠pacbell.net

At 10:32 PM 9/23/00 -0400, you wrote: >... >She endured my Data General phase without a hiccup. >She Must love me! It took five months. From pillow-talk alone, she knows >more about MV machines than Tracy Kidder herself. ... Congratulations. Personally, I prefer Sept 7 as a wedding date (checks inside of wedding ring where date is inscribed ... yes, sept 7). Anyway, Tracy Kidder is a HE, not a SHE. I've seen his picture on the dustjacket of a couple of his books. ----- Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net

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<help!> Need help with HP Vectra

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: THETechnoid(a)home.com <THETechnoid(a)home.com> >Good God. If you can't handle a 90mhz pentium box then you need another >line of work. Be kind the box is easy it's making winders run that is the real majik. ;) Don't laugh I have two P90s and P100-S at work as regular line system! I find the older boxes easy to work with but... Sometimes when you need data like is the ram FPM or EDO the book (or vendor support) can save a lot of grief and time. Also some of the boards have no markings as to what jumper does what. Allison

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looking for pdp11/05 processor boards

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Hi folks...subject says it all...anybody got a set of pdp11/05 cpu boards that they wouldn't mind parting with? I'm willing to pay a reasonable sum. -Dave McGuire

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Our fine educational system

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> >Well, I think he was figuring the killer app was a smart terminal device >(PDT or better with small local hard disk) and a fast network connection >to a timesharing operation (kind of like a cross between Compuserve At the time there was a bias toward hardware. Also "services" Like the Source and Compuserve were new then. >and a kind of Network Utility Company which would maintain the storage >and apps, fix bugs and supply you with a service. there was that too. >This would keep Joe User from having to become their own System >Admin/System Manager/Development Programmer/Hardware Support Tech. Part of the dream (Billy Gs) was systems would be simple... Who knew? >I think the Oracle Network Computer venture and NetAppliance was close >to what Ken Olson would've envisioned. ('Course it would've been Vax >Clusters on the server end...) Yes, Ellison and fiends want to rent us everything... for a price. >> > difference -- the beauty of UNIX is it's simple; and the beauty of VMS >> > is that it's all there. >> > -- Ken Olsen, president of DEC, DECWORLD Vol. 8 No. 5, 1984 In 1984 this was largely true. DECnet phase IV was in more places with more users than TCP/IP was at the time too. >Kool... wish It was scanned somewhere... The color printer here could >do a pretty good iron-on xfer 8-). Its a rag now. it would not be hard to do. Blue digital keys on the back and the NO symbol with lower case unix (tty font) in the front with the words "the unsystem, never had it never will". Such irony! Allison

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It runs!

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Yes, indeed it does! It's official as of this morning -- I'm managing my own web server (a SPARCClassic at the moment, most likely a MicroVAX III later) thanks to a solid DSL pipeline, a Zyxel router (not classic - in production less than a year), and some static IPs. Next up: Mail servers! Probably a VAXServer 3100 as primary with something else I've not yet chosen as the backup. The final step will be at least one FTP server. I plan to archive as much 'classic' computing and electronic stuff from my field of interests as possible, and make it available to the group on either open (anonymous) login or by authentication (for the stuff that may still be in question, copyright-wise). Stay tuned: More updates as I make them happen. ;-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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<help!> Need help with HP Vectra

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/26/00 2:29:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mikeford(a)socal.rr.com writes: > I'm using W98, but I have the patch (or a speed related patch anyway). > Lesson one for me was "carefully" make note of ALL the stinkin patches, > then logically work through them all. I flashed the bios, applied all the > W98 stuff, then applications. What is really annoying are the number of CDs > that fairly insist on installing directx of some ancient version, for "best > results". > > The KILLER though for a Pavillion at least, is that W98 always thinks its > stuff is the best, so if you redetect some hardware it will "SAY" whatever > it has is the "BEST". So many microseconds after the HP specific driver > gets replaced you lockup and get to pursue manually restoring stuff in safe > mode. > I have a 5 year old machine that I have similar problems. It has the (in)famous IBM mwave DSP modem which is fragile. Reinstalling all the updates and setting up network settings is time consuming. You should do what I do and that is to GHOST the c: drive after you perfect the installation so if it gets hosed, just reimage it. Big time saver. DB Young ICQ: 29427634 hurry, hurry, step right up! see the computers you used as a kid! http://www.nothingtodo.org

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HP 95LX

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu> wrote: > Well, I landed an HP 95LX. Naturally, it has no manual. What can you tell > me about it? Well, I used to use one, 'til I replaced it with a 100LX. It's been a few years and I've forgotten a bit. > It has 512K of RAM, of which 256K seems to be used as a RAM disk, and the > sidecar PCMCIA slot has some RadioMail module loaded in it. What type > PCMCIA slot is it? What can I put in it? You should be able to twiddle the RAM partition between system RAM and RAM disk space. I can't remember how though. On the 100LX it is Ctrl+Filer. The slot is PCMCIA 1.0 Type II, meaning pretty much "memory devices only", and I suspect it's not fully standard due to the power limitations of the 95LX (i.e. must run off 2 AA cells). It'll take SRAM cards, some ROM cards (HP made some and maybe that's what your RadioMail module is), I have been told that it will take a very few flash cards that were made with it in mind, and one company (New Media) made a modem for it that was reportedly functional but weird enough that most folks stuck with external pocket modems connected via the serial port. > It also came with a serial? cable terminating in an RJ-45. That's different; maybe it's for the MobiDEM? The "stock" serial cable terminates in a DE3S intended for attachment to a PC/AT style serial port. Note the serial port is effectively three-wire, no hardware flow control. > How programmable is it? I was able to get a DOS prompt (3.22, shiver). Yes and yes. It is not entirely IBM-compatible but it is possible to run some IBM PC-flavored MS-DOS software on it. I used to have a FORTH on the 95LX. Now I have MS QuickC on the 200LX. > It also came with an Ericcson MobiDEM radio modem, but I'll bet it wouldn't > work even if the battery pack were charged. What can I do with this? I don't know. Probably not much, my understanding is that most of the wireless e-mail/Internet providers have basically ditched MS-DOS (and hence HP LX) support for WinCE and PalmOS devices. If I had one I'd probably be looking to cause those responsible some constipation with it. > Nice system though! Very. It's one of the few machines that I'd exempt from the 10-year rule, although I think it's only got another year to go. -Frank McConnell

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VAX 4000/200 issue resolved!

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Fascinating, thanks to Pierre-Michel's analysis of his system I was able to ascertain there wasn't anything wrong with my BA440 at all! The KA660 CPU brings the DSSI bus out to the C/D connector fingers and the CPU I had in the box was a KA640 which does not. Once I knew what should work, I reassembled the system and discovered that the DSSI drive in the rack was completely into the backplane! Youch! Anyway, all is well, I reseated/rebooted and now the DSSI drive is just fine and I'm busily installing VMS to verify the drive's integrity. (I've not NetBSD installed on a scsi disk that hangs off the Q-Bus. --Chuck

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Burroughs

by r.stek＠snet.net

I found this and thought someone here might find it of interest... (reply to Kevin, not me :) Kevin Willis <kwillis41(a)home.com> Chester, Va US - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 11:35:50 I have several old systems and was curious if they have any value and advice on what I can do with them. All I know about them is their BIG and HEAVY. Don't know what works and what doesn't 1 - Burroughs B96 unit - Model #31821150 2 - Burroughs Disk Drives - Model B9493-80 2 - Burroughs Streaming Tape Drives - Model 15 MTS Streamer 2 - Burroughs Printers on stands - Model B9246-6 7 - Burroughs Terminals Any help appreciated Kevin Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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<help!> Need help with HP Vectra

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> >As much as I would "like" to hate windows, I seem to have beaten the beast >into submission currently so that it is no worse than driving an old >foreign pickup instead of a Porsche. On a serious note win95 is not that bad (get osr2 though), it's the MS apps that are really the major pain with office97 being a POS!~ I have one system 486 powered that has only w95 no IE/outlookexpress or added apps that runs wp6, netscape, RFDmail that is fast and tight. The basic kernal is fair what is done to it is horrors. Allison

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Computer Kit / Plans

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Kevin Stewart <stewart_kevin(a)hotmail.com> >Yes, actually I am... I've been talking with Richard Erlacher about a Z80 >box (and trying to decide whether or not to use S100 or just make it an SBC >;) ) but I'm still open to any project at this point. What has been removed >& how far is it from being operable? My $0.02 is go with an SBC based design as S100 has a high overhead getting onto and off the bus. Despite Richards dislike for zilog peripherals and being less than lightining fast that combo would be easier and manageable for a fist time. Allison

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Am I crazy or is someone else?

by stewart_kevin＠hotmail.com

Would somebody else take a look at this auction? I could swear that's a CD-ROM he's selling and not a vaxstation... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=445016650 Kevin

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Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> >I got to "play around" with a 1KW CO2 laser this way. After getting tired Same here college was a chance to talk to others and also access somethings I didn't have access too in the two way comms industry. As a result while others were studying neon lamp relaxation oscillators and I was using the faraday cage for very small signal expriments or mapping VHF oscillators phase noise. Allison

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HP 95LX

by fmc＠reanimators.org

ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote: > It's the same on the 1Mbyte 95LX (which is the model I have). Shift-filer > (leftmost application key) is setup, and then select System and Memory > from the menus. I don't know if the 512K version is like that, though. It should be. My recollection is that the only differences between the 512KB and 1MB units were the extra memory and "1MB RAM" being printed above the top right of the screen. I do remember being able to repartition the RAM between filespace and system RAM on my 512KB 95LX, just didn't do it very often. > > cable terminates in a DE3S intended for attachment to a PC/AT style > > You've been working on larger HP machines too much :-). Those have the > strange 3 and 5 pin DE connectors. Fumble-fingered me. I meant DE9S. You're right though, I crimped a bunch of those funny 3-pin connectors way back in 1984 when we installed an HP3000 Series 64 where I worked. Those connectors were expensive, too. -Frank McConnell

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Sun 386i to give away

by rich＠alcor.concordia.ca

I've got a Sun 386i that I rescued from the dumpster sitting here taking up precious space. I originally thought I'd grab some disk for it and play with it, but, well, spare time and all that. It has the following cards: 540-1062-01 (Framebuffer) 555-1006-01 (?) 501-1423 (Memory, populated by 270-1394's) 501-1244 (?) It has no disk. It also has the storage expansion that clips on top, but that is also empty of disks and tape, and is missing its side panel. The floppy drive is still there, though. :-) I have full documentation for this guy, including all original manuals, the full users' and programmers' documentation sets which cover slightly more than just this machine, much of the promotional materials for it and for the parts it at one point was accompanied by, plus most of the purchase orders for it. I've also got a bunch of QIC media with SunOS and OpenWindows. It's taking up room here, and since I haven't done anything with it yet, I suspect I never will. It's free to whoever wants it; they'll have to pick it up or pay for shipping -- or, if you're a BSD person thinking about a port, talk to me. The machine itself weighs 45 lbs, the expansion unit 25 lbs, and the documentation, um, weights as much as a square foot of paper weighs, times three. :-) I do ask that anyone interested take at *least* the main box and one box of documentation (with the brochures, main manuals, and purchase order history). Shipping would be from Montreal, Quebec. -Rich -- ------------------------------ Rich Lafferty --------------------------- Sysadmin/Programmer, Instructional and Information Technology Services Concordia University, Montreal, QC (514) 848-7625 ------------------------- rich(a)alcor.concordia.ca ----------------------

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Computer Kit / Plans

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Kevin- Have you found something to soothe the classic computer beast within? I have an unfinished Sol motherboard & documentation available. The motherboard actually appears to have been finished, when some previous owner decided to unsolder the connectors from the board; however, most all the IC sockets are still in place. Since the docs include theory-of-operation, you should be able to make a working Sol out of this- except, of course, it does not come with a case, keyboard, or power supply. Interested? regards, -doug q

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LN03R printers available

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, NetBSD Bob wrote: > > Get a Lexmark Optra E310. The LN03 is not postscript, the LN03R is. > That E310 looks interesting, but at 400 bucks a pop, that will break > my VAX beer kitty. Well now... if anyone wants an LN03R (aka - DEC ScriptWriter) and will be at the VCF this weekend, I have a pair that could *REALLY* use a new home. Heck, I'll even throw in some extra toner kits. What's the catch? You *gotta* be there! (promise that I won't have to take them back home again), and buy me a Coke (no Pepsi!) or throw a few $$ for gas... Or if you are feeling *really* guilty, bring some old DEC goodies to trade. (I have 8's, 11's, and VAXen so there is lots of variety) -jim --- jimw(a)computergarage.org || jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.computergarage.org Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Iomega Bernoulli 230MB drive

by mark_k＠iname.com

Hi, Not classic, but a related question: are 230MB Bernoulli drives capable of reading the older 20MB 5.25" Bernoulli disks? I know they can read 44MB and various other capacities. -- Mark

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Computer Kit / Plans

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Kevin- > > Have you found something to soothe the classic computer beast within? Ah, sh*t, did it again, sorry everyone... -dq

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Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS)

by geoff＠pkworks.com

> >> Ah, well, I don't know about his mouth, but for awhile there several >> non-stupid things came off his drawing pencil. It's kind of tough for a > >You mean Gordon Bell's pencil :) Now, now, don't get me started on this path, please!

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Getting out of touch (was Re: Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS))

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

>Interestingly, Sun now sits where DEC was (their own CPU >architecture/busses + OS) and so they are very vulnerable to someone to >come along and kill them with open software based X86 servers. > >--Chuck Geez makes me wonder why they bought Cobalt!!! Francois

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Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS)

by geoff＠pkworks.com

Ah, well, I don't know about his mouth, but for awhile there several non-stupid things came off his drawing pencil. It's kind of tough for a person who has built a multi-billion-dollar company from scratch over 20 years to realize, let alone admit, that the magic may well have moved on, and that then-current realities may be different from those abroad in "The Good Old Days." Ken's quote is a particularly egregious example of this problem, but the thinking behind it was not unique to him, as anyone who's worked for the now-defunct Massachusetts minicomputer makers can surely attest. That mode of thinking, if not about that particular topic, is afoot today in Silicon Valley, and ten-odd years >from now we'll look back in scorn at the obviously self-evident stupidity of industry pundits currently acknowledged as geniuses. As Yogi Berra is purported to have said, "It's tough to predict, especially the future." -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS) >On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Bill Pechter wrote: > >> "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in their >> home." >> -- Ken Olson, President of DEC, World Future Society >> Convention, 1977 >> -+-+=-+- >> >> ...and then again there's the following. (Both quotes are in my >> FreeBSD box MOTD as a reminder. >> >> One of the questions that comes up all the time is: How >> enthusiastic is our support for UNIX? ><...> >> >> -- Ken Olsen, president of DEC, DECWORLD Vol. 8 No. 5, 1984 > >Did anything ever come out of Ken Olsen's mouth that was not very stupid? > >Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger >----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- >Looking for a six in a pile of nines... > > VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 > San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California > See http://www.vintage.org for details! >

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[OT] Paypal

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I sell stuff on eBay and have sold stuff to many on this list. PayPal doesn't work for me. Closing my warehouse put me deeply in debt and as a result I don't have and can't get a checking account. PayPal will send me a check but then I have to use a check cashing service which costs me 10%. I have been requesting USPS and Western Union money orders because they are the only instruments that do not cost me a percentage to cash. I have recently had my international and national customers use a service called BidPay (www.bidpay.com). They pay by credit card and BidPay sends me a Western Union money order. Recently Fred Meyer, who is a Western Union agent, has set up a policy of not cashing money orders that come from more than one hundred miles away. I am contesting this with Western Union and Fred Meyer. My alternative is to go back to my check cashing service which charges 10% to cash money orders. I am considering having to further restrict payment to just USPS money orders because of some of these restrictive policies. I am writing this to show there are many reasons why there are restrictions on payments. I am a good finder of equipment. The Ebay feedback rating system is very important. My feedback is 98 at the moment and is full of excellent comments. Check the feedback. If the person has a long run of good feedback the risk goes way down. Ask questions. A good seller doesn't mind answering. If you don't have credit it is tough to do business in this world. I am planning on selling a more S100 cards and DEC cards in the near future. Keep an eye on my seller's name "Innfosale." I love the list. It is always interesting. Paxton Portland, OR eBay seller "innfosale"

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PDP-11/34A help needed

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

OK, Since there has been all this 11/34 discussion lately, maybe I can get some help with mine? Here's the config: 11/34A CPU, FP11-F (I think thats the right name for the FPP), KY11-LA (non-keypad front panel), DL11-W, M9301-YB boot loader, RK11-D, RK05F, RK05J (no packs!), 128KW total memory (4 16K boards, and one 64K board, all are variations of MS11-?), M9302 (of course), 861C power controller, and I think an H960 or whatever rack. OK, first off, which power supply modules would go in the PSU and where? BTW, the 11/34A I have is the big one, it uses a BA11-A.. Second, anyone have a nice DL11-W cable that I could use to connect it to a VT220 or something? Third, does anyone have any spare RK05 packs? Fourth, this may be a dumb question, but which way should the grant continuity cards face, i.e. should the fingers face toward the right (the side the other boards face toward if you stand directly in front of the beastie.) Finally, does anyone have any manuals they can loan me, copy for me, part with, etc.? All I have is the RK05/RK05J/RK05F Maintenance Manual, which is about totally useless right now. And all DEC seems to have available is the 11/34 Illustrated Parts Breakdown... Oh yeah, could also use the top trim panel for the rack ;p Will J _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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Computer Kit / Plans

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

I'm interested if nobody else is Francois -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 12:30 PM Subject: RE: Computer Kit / Plans > >Kevin- > >Have you found something to soothe the classic computer beast within? > >I have an unfinished Sol motherboard & documentation available. > >The motherboard actually appears to have been finished, when some >previous owner decided to unsolder the connectors from the board; >however, most all the IC sockets are still in place. > >Since the docs include theory-of-operation, you should be able to >make a working Sol out of this- except, of course, it does not >come with a case, keyboard, or power supply. > >Interested? > >regards, >-doug q

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Ride Needed from Davis, CA to VCF 4.0

by epgroot＠ucdavis.edu

I am going to the Vintage Computer Festival Sep 30 - Oct 1, but like a true Davis resident I have no car, only a bike. Anyone heading west on I-80 to VCF who wants a like-minded driving companion please contact me. Davis is just west of Sacramento. I'd be willing to pay for gas, or barter some PDP/LSI-11 peripherals for your troubles! Regards, Edwin

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pdp-11/44, free to good home

by mbg＠world.std.com

As always, contact the person listed at the end of the post, not me... - - - - - I have a PDP11X44 system. It is located in the Milwaukee, Wisconsin area. Free to a good home. PDP-11/44 42-inch cabinet FPP 2-TU58 tape drives 1.75 MB memory RH11 MASSBUS adapter RL11 controller DZ11 RP06 disk drive with 3 packs Please reply to: mazzoni(a)proconsys.com

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