- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:23:41 -0500 David Gesswein <djg(a)drs-esg.com> writes: > I don't know if anybody is still interested... > I scanned the RX02 technical manual and it is now online > http://www.pdp8.net/pdp8cgi/query_docs/view.pl?table=pdp8docs&id=139 Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I had been hoping that someone would do this! These docs make all the difference in the world. I hope some day, maybe some kind person will do the same for the RL02. Thanks Again! Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> >There was certainly a PDP11 version. And I remember reading about a I know, the first time I'd seen it was early '78 on a Heath H-11. It convinced me to get the NS* configured version (not cpm based) as it was cheap. In 1978 what UCSD got me... I had NS DOS and their BASIC, no compiler, no asembler. I has CP/M 1.4 with all the 8080 tools and 8k MSbasic, still no HLL UCSD got me a compiled language that was vogue and a real screen based editor that beat the tar out of CP/Ms ED. By 1978 standards 50US dollars was cheap for UCSD and far cheaper than CP/M or even the MSbasic for CP/M. Allison

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I have a KS10 now...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Serial number appears to be 4469. I got it from John Wilson, moved it 1000 miles to home. It looks too heavy to drag up the stairs so chances are really good it'll stay in the (heated) garage. We also got a TU45 and a spare formatter for it. (Question, can I just plug any Pertec Unformatted 1600/800 drive into that and make it work, or only special Pertec devices?) Current status of the machine is unknown - It's never been powered on. We'll be cleaning it up, taking lots of pictures, and checking things out before it gets powered on. But that should be sometime soon. In any case, I'll have pictures posted before the week's out. And now, I'm going to do a jig and generally behave like a child until the high wears off :) More information to come. -------

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Ebay, MicroVAX II LA CA

by ncherry＠home.net

I just saw this up on EBAY, the current bid is $1 and it's in LA CA. I have nothing to do with this: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=514610380 -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)home.net http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only) http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge)

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RX02 drive emulation

by djg＠drs-esg.com

>Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 15:48:30 -0500 >From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> >>From: David Gesswein <djg(a)drs-esg.com> >>I haven't spent too much time looking at the interface but most of the >>smarts are in the drive and serial communication is used to send >>commands to it. I have a bunch of information on the RX01, the RX02 >should >>be similar. > >Do look. the two are very different. > I don't know if anybody is still interested... I scanned the RX02 technical manual and it is now online http://www.pdp8.net/pdp8cgi/query_docs/view.pl?table=pdp8docs&id=139 It looks like they added some stuff such as DMA and AC low status for the 11 but when in the RX28 PDP-8 mode it still uses the same electrical interface as the RX01. The RX02 drive has 3 different modes it can operate in via a switch setting. It appears that the RX8E does not know if it is talking to a RX01 or RX02, only the software running on the PDP-8 knows. From a programming standpoint you have to write to the command register differently in RX02 mode even when single density media is used. I could still be missing something. This is probably the easiest mode to talk to the drive in from bit banging on a PC. David Gesswein

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 30, 22:59, Jerome Fine wrote: > > OK, this brings up two questions. Can it use RX50's (I'm guessing not), > Having never used Pascal very much, Pascal != UCSD p-System, though. > RT-11 does not normally distinguish > between different devices. [...] > In general (almost always), applications NEVER know anything about the > internals of a device driver - which is why a device driver is used in RT-11 > to separate the application program from the hardware and let standard > I/O calls to RT-11 and then to the actual device be transparent. True, but the UCSD p-System isn't a language, it's an operating system, with its own device drivers. It doesn't run under RT-11, just happens to have similar minimum requirements. As far as I know, it doesn't have a driver for RX50/MSCP. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Memory diagnostic for VAX 4000/60

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Does anyone know if there is a better memory diagnostic for the VAX 4000/60 than the 'TEST MEM' that is available in the console program? I've got some 16MB simms and they seem to work (the VAX shows them, boots up after running its temperature bar test) but something that gave me real confidence would be nice. --Chuck

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Archiving Amiga floppies

by jfoust＠threedee.com

I'd like to archive my massive collection of Amiga floppies. I have tubs and tubs of them. I'd like to end up with CD-Rs of them, containing disk images accessible under emulation or that could re-create floppies on demand. I'm so out of touch with what's possible on the Amiga, I don't know which tool would best handle the job. Considerations in mind include reasonable handling of bad sectors or other sorts of semi-readable floppies. I doubt I have much that's actually copy-protected. It would be great to be able to get directory listings of these disk images, so I could create a master list of all the files there. My A2000/040 is still up and running, and I even have an Ethernet card capable of running NFS, so I can save files directly to my PC's drive (running an NFS server.) >From there I can burn CDs. (Historical note: back in 1993, I even created ISO images on an Amiga, saved them to Exabyte, and had them burned to real glass-master pressed CDs.) - John

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 29, 14:30, healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote: > > UCSD p-System was also available for PDP-11's, BBC Micros, Sage II, and > > quite a few other machines. I've got versions for all of those. Doesn't > > UCSD still have a web page about it? > > Out of curiousity, what are the hardware requirements to run it on a PDP-11? Just about anything that will run RT11, as far as I remember. An 11/03 and a pair of RX02s should do fine. I used to run it on an 11/23. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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classiccmp-digest V1 #440

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Zane bashed in on an old teletype: > RULE1: These systems are for *local pickup* only. I quite > simply do not have time to ship stuff. Bugger. > $ Apple III+ > $ Lisa 2/5 > Atari > $ Atari TT030 Dammit, dammit, dammit! Is there anyone local to Zane who a) doesn't want the above and b) has time to ship them to li'l ol' me in the UK on receipt of some $$$? adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum (now WITH a working Lisa 2/5 but hell, I'm greedy :o)

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PDP, TYPESET-8 and linotypes

by kylianw＠hotmail.com

I am looking for documentation on the interface that existed between the PDP TYPESET-8 system and the Linotype electrons/comets (mid-60's - early 70's). Specifically, I need additional information on the output format of the TYPESET-8, both in the physcial sense (paper tape, or serial out- at what line levels), and the format sense- escape codes and such used for formatting. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Ky _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> >I thought it was that the 11/03 was a remicrocoded WD chip? >Anyone know what came first? WD13 chipset was developed with DEC and is a 16bit microcoded structure. DEC even had a 1k writeable microcode store for the LSI-11. So technically the WD13 chipset came first then the LSI-11, Alpha Micro and then WD Pascal Microengine. Allison

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Roger Ivie <rivie(a)teraglobal.com> >That's an extremely interesting remark because of two of >the rumors I heard about the WD P-engine: > >1) It failed because a Z80 could execute P-code faster >2) It was a remicrocoded 11/03 Z80 was a good pcode engine, in 1978 the fast ones were 4mhz and the PDP-11/03 in the guise of an H11 was a bit faster. The WD Pascal microengine was the WD13 chipset as was the LSI-11 and the S100 box (forgot the name). The uEngine was a failure as WD was not a reliable vendor back then and it was buggy. It did run the pcode fastest of the pack then. The PDP-11 and to a lesser extent z80 had the addressing modes and instuction set needed to build a good stack oriented engine. UCSD was not so much a failure as the leading edge. With the avilability of natively compiled languages that were faster or better a P-code compiler was a weakness. The idea of cross platform code portability in the form of a compiled HLL was a big winner that remains. Allison

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tms9914 ieee488 controller

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

FWIW, Western Digital produced it as a second source... Will J _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

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Who wants a decwriter II?

by epgroot＠ucdavis.edu

I came across a decwriter II hardcopy terminal by the dumpster at one of the buildings at UC Davis. It resembles a glorified typewriter mounted in a tall desk. Too big to transport on my bike, so those interested have to pick it up from campus. Don't know how long it will be sitting there. No, Sellam, this is not some sort of entrapment ploy! Regards, Edwin Davis, CA

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Archiving Amiga floppies

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > At 11:16 AM 11/30/00 -0800, you wrote: > >This reminds me - does anyone here have an ethernet card that would work > >in an Amiga 2000? I've got one I'd like to put on the 'net. > > The last time I checked, Amiga ethernet cards were quite expensive still, > though things could've changed in a year since I moved off an Amiga 4000 to > my Power Mac clone. If you have a bridgeboard though and a PC ISA ethernet > card, there used to be a couple of programs on Aminet that would allow you > to access the ISA ethernet card from the Amiga side. It was a bit of a > kludge, but was reported to have worked. I still have new, in-the-box GG2 Bus+ bridge cards w/original warranty. They come with NE2000 drivers (along with other, non-NIC drivers) but there are also SMC/WesternDigital drivers on the web page (http://penguincentral.com/GG2/) I've mentioned it before to no great response, but I like to let people know there's still an alternative out there. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

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DECserver 200

by yoda＠isr.ist.utl.pt

>>>>> "Ethan" == Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> writes: Ethan> I have one, too (and the uVAX2000 w/disk that it used to Ethan> boot from). What I would like to do is fire up DECnet on a Ethan> Linux box and start the DECserver from there. Has anyone Ethan> tried _that_ yet? I have a couple of DECservers here (one 300 and one 200) and I have successfully got them work with solely one linux machine. Here's the recipe: 1. start mopd-linux to make the DECservers load the boot image from the linux box; 2. start latd in the linux box to allow the DECservers login. All these software components for linux can be found at the DECnet for linux page. Note that both mopd and latd do not require DECnet, because they seem to use independent protocols. BTW, I've written a couple of progs from scratch that implement the mop console protocol. I use them to check a couple of DEChubs. I could provide the source code to everyone interested. Cheers, -- *** Rodrigo Martins de Matos Ventura <yoda(a)isr.ist.utl.pt> *** Web page: http://www.isr.ist.utl.pt/~yoda *** Teaching Assistant and PhD Student at ISR: *** Instituto de Sistemas e Robotica, Polo de Lisboa *** Instituto Superior Tecnico, Lisboa, PORTUGAL *** PGP fingerprint = 0119 AD13 9EEE 264A 3F10 31D3 89B3 C6C4 60C6 4585

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Need help identifying the following IC/CHIP

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Hi, As my transputer collection increases, I just received a broken BBK-S4 (Sparc-based SBUS transputer link adapter). As far as I can tell, the only broken piece is the firmware IC. The IC actually was broken in half exposing the actual IC. I think someone was trying to extract it incorrectly and it opened up. The delicate wires are snapped as well. I hope that the firmware is downloaded to the chip each time it is fired up, but I am not sure. The chip is labelled as: TOSHIBA TC57H256D-70 JAPAN 8906YAA VPP 12.5V Does anyone know what type of IC this is and where I can obtain one? I would love to install this on my IPX and connect my T805-30MHz Xplorer to it. Thanks Ram

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UCSD P System (was: Why is it that ...

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > >Does no one remember that IBM peddled UCSD P System for the PC? >An operating system that made PC-DOS look good! The PC version was really bad and sloer thant he z80 version. The only weakness that UCSD really suffered is it was P-system, It was a interpreter running pseudo code than that made it slow (like java). Compared to NS* DOS it was far more complete and advanced. It was plenty adaquate as a teaching platform for Pascal. Allison

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >I think I still have the disks somewhere.... I just don't have > >an Apple-II to use to verify their readability. > > > >It wasn't bad, I rather enjoyed using it (my last semester in > >college, Spring '83). > > > >-dq > > So UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code ran on the Apple //? I'm guessing this > means it'll run on a //e or //gs? If so is there anywhere the software can > be downloaded from? Just might be the excuse I need to get that //gs back > up and running (gulp, I just buried it's SCSI drive). Among other platforms... (wasn't the Terak a UCSD machine?). I think you had to have the Integer Basic (?) card for it to work. I copied the system onto single-sided verbatim floppies that I'd punched to use as "flippies"... the school wasn't hip to copying software, at least not in '83. -dq

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by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > >Out of curiousity, what are the hardware requirements to run it on a PDP-11? > PDP-11 (any), 33kw, FDC RX01, Tube or TTY on a DL line. Of all the version the PDP-11 version on the 11/03 was fastest compared to apple or Z80 ports. Allison

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tms9914 ieee488 controller

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

These are still used all of the time in many places (mostly as in interface to scientific lab equipment). It should not be too difficult to get a compatible replacement, maybe not an identical replacement. check: www.nationalinstruments.com -----Original Message----- From: emanuel stiebler [SMTP:emu@ecubics.com] Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 10:09 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: tms9914 ieee488 controller Hi all, anybody here knows, if there is any replacement for this texas ieee488 controller, and is still in production ? Thanks, emanuel

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UCSD P System (was: Why is it that ...

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 02:55 PM 11/29/00 -0800, you wrote: >Does no one remember that IBM peddled UCSD P System for the PC? >An operating system that made PC-DOS look good! Yeah, but the original release still runs in a DOS window under WinNT. :-) - John

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UCSD P System (was: Why is it that ...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 29, 20:38, Jim Battle wrote: > At 06:07 PM 11/29/00 -0800, you wrote: > >... > >And it really didn't make PC-DOS look good. I've put a screen shot > >of the UCSD P-system file manager prompt at: > >http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/~korpela/gif/filer.gif. > >You may remember what those letters stand for, but I don't. > ... > > For those not wanting to chase the link, it says: > > Filer: G, S, N, L, R, C, T, D, Q [1.1] > > Don't you remember? This was the security mechanism. > You had to play a game of hangman and win before you > could run the compiler. The person above obviously doesn't > know the key to hangman is the vowels. Hmm.... my versions show the menu as something like G(et, S(ave, N(ew, L(dir, R(en, C(hng, T(rans, D(ate, Q(uit but there are more options on an 80-column screen. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> >Allison replies: >> PDP-11 (any), 33kw, FDC RX01, Tube or TTY on a DL line. > ^^^^ >Typo? No more than 28 Kwords, I'd expect? I'm pretty sure I've >seen it running on an an 11/03, which won't readily support more than >that. Or did you mean 33 Kbytes? Nope 32KW, two M8044s plugged in. True only 26/28Kw accessable due to the IOpage. You know of course thats the case in most any non mapped PDP-11. Allison

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:31:09 -0800 (PST) healyzh(a)aracnet.com writes: > > I used PASCAL (for a short time) when I was in school, that ran > > under RSTS/E. I don't know if it was the USCD system, or some > > other thing; I'm almost certain it used pseudo-code, though, > > as the compiler output was *tiny* compared to a similar compiled > > BASIC+ program. > > > > Anybody know of PASCAL compilers that run under RSTS? > > > > Jeff > > I'm guessing it was OMSI PASCAL. In fact I think I've got a manual > for that, but am unfortunatly missing the software. Hmmm, that doesn't seem to ring any bells. We're talking 1980-81 timeframe. The compiler was invoked from the READY prompt by typing "PASCAL FILNAM.PAS", and you'd get the runnable output file; I don't remember if it was in .SAV format or not. Dang it. I wish I could remember more about the system we had at the school at that time . . .. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> >OK, this brings up two questions. Can it use RX50's (I'm guessing not), and RX50 run off the MSCP controller and *may* work, I'm not sure of that. >is it available for download anywhere? I can manage RX02 (assuming the >drives work), but would prefer to use RX50 since they're already in both >PDP-11's I've got at home (RX02 is buried in storage). If your set on using RX50s then the question is... IS UCSD Psystem MSCP device aware? Allison

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Why is it that ...

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> >One of these days I'd really like to play with a UCSD PASCAL system, largely >to get a feel of how well it worked. UCSD P-system was tightly integrated with menues and what amounts the then equivelent of an modern IDE. From the main system menu you go fo into the filer or editor, from the editor you could compile and run a program. If the compiler fails you end up back in the editor (screen oriented) with the cursor at the first error. In 1978 that was a truely advanced development environment. >active with Amiga's around, they'd have a better idea). That tells me that >a 486 or lower won't really be able to cut it when it comes to JAVA. Java will run on any 386 or higher, I've done it though it gets slow. Allison

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:43:24 -0500 "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> writes: > From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > > > >Out of curiousity, what are the hardware requirements to run it on > >a PDP-11? > > > > > PDP-11 (any), 33kw, FDC RX01, Tube or TTY on a DL line. > Of all the version the PDP-11 version on the 11/03 was fastest > compared to apple or Z80 ports. I used PASCAL (for a short time) when I was in school, that ran under RSTS/E. I don't know if it was the USCD system, or some other thing; I'm almost certain it used pseudo-code, though, as the compiler output was *tiny* compared to a similar compiled BASIC+ program. Anybody know of PASCAL compilers that run under RSTS? Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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UCSD P System (was: Why is it that ...

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 02:55 PM 11/29/00 -0800, Grumpy Ol' Fred wrote:ng one of those is not going to be hard. > >Does no one remember that IBM peddled UCSD P System for the PC? >An operating system that made PC-DOS look good! I remember it from when I ran the CAD lab at school. It was sitting in the cabinet unopened. I know it sat there for at least two years. I suppose it was still unopened when they trashed it. Joe

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Wanted: HP Integral PC

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I saw Zane's post, and sadly, am not close enough to go pick up his Integral and give him some cash... but I *am* looking for one, if anybody has one that they'll part with ( and I WILL pay a reasonable price). I've wanted one ever since I read the review in PC Magazine so long ago... Thanks. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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UCSD P System (was: Why is it that ...

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

At 02:55 PM 11/29/00 -0800, you wrote: >Does no one remember that IBM peddled UCSD P System for the PC? >An operating system that made PC-DOS look good! I've got the p-System for the PC. There was also the p-Card for the TI-99/4A which plugged into it's PE Box. When enabled, the p-Card booted >from it's onboard ROM vice from the disk drive or TI-99/4A boot ROM. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Power Computing PowerCurve, 288mhz G3, Mac OS 9 http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 Home Of The TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 29, 10:04, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >I think I still have the disks somewhere.... I just don't have > >an Apple-II to use to verify their readability. > So UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code ran on the Apple //? Well, it ran on a 48K Apple ][+ or Europlus with the Language Card (which, for those who might not know, is a 16KB RAM card that fits Slot 0, and pages in in place of the ROMs). It's anything but fast :-) However, Apple used it for much of their dealer and service centre diagnostics, so it was used for, and capable of, Real Work. I still have mine somewhere. UCSD p-System was also available for PDP-11's, BBC Micros, Sage II, and quite a few other machines. I've got versions for all of those. Doesn't UCSD still have a web page about it? > I'm guessing this > means it'll run on a //e or //gs? Probably. > If so is there anywhere the software can > be downloaded from? Dunno, but the disk structure is different from ProDOS and Apple DOS 3.3, so I'm not sure how you'd deal with that. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I have a bunch of books, discs, etc for the Apple II, and I "may" still > have UCSD Pascal on some 8" Terak floppies. Pascal was the language of > choice for Mac work for a number of years, then C and C+ etc. kind of > dropped on everybody. Messy at first as all the header files were setup as > calls to Pascal programs in the early Mac software developer stuff. IIRC it > was AlSoft that had a program/patch etc. that allowed MIDI support on a Mac > that was all in Pascal. I talked my wife into reworking the headers for use > with C programs, and sent it back to AlSoft and they used it, but I never > heard anything back from them about it. Really POed me at the time. I was told, but have never confirmed, that Apple had the source to UCSD Pascal, and that Larry Teslar used it as the basis for Clascal, the Pascal-variant (no pun intended) compiler used for Lisa and initial Mac cross-development. Then they hired Niklaus Wirth to go from Clascal to Object Pascal. I still think Object Pascal is the *best* implementation of Pascal ever... the linker could determine what methods could be statically bound, keeping them fast, and leaving the rest dynamically bound for polymorphism. Unlike Borland's Pascal(s) [this may have changed by the time of Delphi), you could pass procedures and functions as arguments to procedures and functions. -dq

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Update: Computer Rescue needed in Portland, OR

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

I am sorry. I got so exicted when I saw the IMSAI on the list, I couldn't sit still long enough to go back and read that part. I will try not to do it again :) -Rob -----Original Message----- From: David Williams [SMTP:dlw@trailingedge.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 2:00 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Update: Computer Rescue needed in Portland, OR On 28 Nov 2000, at 22:53, Zane H. Healy wrote: > RULE1: These systems are for *local pickup* only. I quite simply do > not > have time to ship stuff. ARGGGGH!!!!! Damn. :) ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

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Update: Computer Rescue needed in Portland, OR

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

Zane: I'd be interested in your IMSAI 8080, particularly if it had any S100 "extras" in it. But I am in Chicago. Would if be able to convince you ship it somehow ?$? Everyone: I just found this mailing list and "subscribed" yesterday. I am stunned by all of the activity on it. I have been thinking about firing up my old Altair 8800 (early model). I talked my Dad into getting it for me when I was 13 years old and my brother and I learned a lot with it. So does anyone have any tips on firing up this old monster ? It it rather precious to me and I don't want to blow it up. I guess I should just take out all of the cards and check out the power supply first. I have heard that old capacitors can dry up and fail catastrophically -- but I think that this applies to the 1950's capacitors, not the 1970's ones. I still have the original "Altair Basic" on a paper tape with a manual made on a mimeograph-type machine by the "Microsoft Corporation" of Redmond Washington. Anyone out there have some other interesting 8080 software ? Rob Kapteyn kapteynr(a)cboe.com -----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy [SMTP:healyzh@aracnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:54 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Update: Computer Rescue needed in Portland, OR I figured I'd update people on the status of the systems I'm getting rid of. Thanks to a local collector I was able to get everything but the actual junk out of the unit I was trying to get rid of. I even managed to get rid of the junk a little latter, and the unit itself. All this without loosing any classic computers, even common ones. So now the crunch is off, but I'm still looking to find local takers for the following stuff. As I still need to get a bunch of stuff out of the remaining two units (for one thing I'd like to eventually get down to one unit). A note on the items with the '$' by them. As I'd said before I'm looking for some money for or some Sun or DEC stuff that I can use (fairly modern in other words). These are items that I've spent real money on, and/or rather like so if I can't recover what I've spent on them, I'll be keeping them. On some items this means I don't want to much, on others, quite a bit. Zane RULE1: These systems are for *local pickup* only. I quite simply do not have time to ship stuff. RULE1A: If you're going to be paying for something I can mark items as being for a certain person and will hold onto them for a reasonable amount of time until they can pick them up if they're going to be in this area. RULE2: Systems sold as is. Various Laser 128 $ Kaypro II Mattel Aquarius (Unknown) $ Epson PX-8 (think that's the right name) Apple Apple ][ plus Apple ][e (x2) Apple ][e enhanced 3 broken keys Apple ][c (x2) Apple ][gs (x2 1 is a Woz) $ Lisa 2/5 Apple Macintosh's Macintosh 512k, third party upgrade to Plus Macintosh SE Macintosh SE/HDFD Macintosh II Macintosh LC Atari $ Atari TT030 Commodore Bussiness Machines Commodore 64c $ Amiga 2000 (x3 only 1 keyboard, 2 Magni Genlocks, 1084 monitor, misc. other stuff) $ Amiga 3000 (1 fully updated, 1 spare. The updated one includes a Catweasel, Picasso IV, a total of 18MB RAM, and latest rev chips. I will keep this system before I part it out so don't bother asking.) digital $ PDP-11/03 $ PDT-11/150 (Unknown Condition, this is not a Q-Bus or Unibus system) $ DEC Professional 380 (has VAX console board) DECmate III (3 or 4 of them, Need Software, but that's easily available on the net) DEC Rainbow (Unknown) DECstation 5000/133 (no drives, 32MB RAM, works) IBM PC clones Kapro PC IMSAI $ IMSAI 8080 (Rack Mount style, but have top/sides for desktop style, do not have the front for desktop style) Tandy Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer 2 Texas Instruments Silent 700 Data Terminal (two different models, only sure where one is at the moment) -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On 29 Nov 2000, at 13:41, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > I think you had to have the Integer Basic (?) card for it to work. > > Not the Integer BASIC card but the so called "Language Card" or > as others called it, a 16K Ram card. That's the card that gave you > 64k of ram switching space with the ROMs. The IIe has that built > in and runs the Apple version of UCSD Pascal just fine. I wouldn't > see any reason it wouldn't also run on a //gs but I haven't > tried it on mine. That's the one.... I'm sure glad most of the rest of you aren't suffering >from "halfheimer's disease" as badly as I am! -dq

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Classic monochrome phosphors?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

Through the 80's and up into the early (Lasnerian) 90's, it was common to see monochrome video displays with *long* decay-time phosphors. As in hundreds of milliseconds, enough such that if you were a quick typist the cursor block left a very distinct trail going back a good fraction of a line :-) Does anyone know the designation (as in "P3" or "P25") of these long-lived green and yellow phosphors that were commonly used on IBM PC and PC-clone monochrome displays? Even better, anyone know of a source (new or used, preferably NTSC or Monochrome SVGA) for such monitors? Tim.

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Update: Computer Rescue needed in Portland, OR

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I figured I'd update people on the status of the systems I'm getting rid of. Thanks to a local collector I was able to get everything but the actual junk out of the unit I was trying to get rid of. I even managed to get rid of the junk a little latter, and the unit itself. All this without loosing any classic computers, even common ones. So now the crunch is off, but I'm still looking to find local takers for the following stuff. As I still need to get a bunch of stuff out of the remaining two units (for one thing I'd like to eventually get down to one unit). A note on the items with the '$' by them. As I'd said before I'm looking for some money for or some Sun or DEC stuff that I can use (fairly modern in other words). These are items that I've spent real money on, and/or rather like so if I can't recover what I've spent on them, I'll be keeping them. On some items this means I don't want to much, on others, quite a bit. Zane RULE1: These systems are for *local pickup* only. I quite simply do not have time to ship stuff. RULE1A: If you're going to be paying for something I can mark items as being for a certain person and will hold onto them for a reasonable amount of time until they can pick them up if they're going to be in this area. RULE2: Systems sold as is. Various Laser 128 $ Kaypro II Mattel Aquarius (Unknown) $ Epson PX-8 (think that's the right name) Apple Apple ][ plus Apple ][e (x2) Apple ][e enhanced 3 broken keys Apple ][c (x2) Apple ][gs (x2 1 is a Woz) $ Lisa 2/5 Apple Macintosh's Macintosh 512k, third party upgrade to Plus Macintosh SE Macintosh SE/HDFD Macintosh II Macintosh LC Atari $ Atari TT030 Commodore Bussiness Machines Commodore 64c $ Amiga 2000 (x3 only 1 keyboard, 2 Magni Genlocks, 1084 monitor, misc. other stuff) $ Amiga 3000 (1 fully updated, 1 spare. The updated one includes a Catweasel, Picasso IV, a total of 18MB RAM, and latest rev chips. I will keep this system before I part it out so don't bother asking.) digital $ PDP-11/03 $ PDT-11/150 (Unknown Condition, this is not a Q-Bus or Unibus system) $ DEC Professional 380 (has VAX console board) DECmate III (3 or 4 of them, Need Software, but that's easily available on the net) DEC Rainbow (Unknown) DECstation 5000/133 (no drives, 32MB RAM, works) IBM PC clones Kapro PC IMSAI $ IMSAI 8080 (Rack Mount style, but have top/sides for desktop style, do not have the front for desktop style) Tandy Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer 2 Texas Instruments Silent 700 Data Terminal (two different models, only sure where one is at the moment) -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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fwd: Teletype available

by Anthony.Eros＠compaq.com

Please send inquiries to the original poster below... ----------------------- Path: spln!rex!lex!dex!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucber keley!128.169.76.138.MISMATCH!newsfeed.utk.edu!uky.edu!news.cuny.edu!schmooz e.hunter.cuny.edu!ershc From: "Eric Schweitzer (archy)" <ershc(a)schmooze.hunter.cuny.edu> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: itt tty Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 00:21:46 -0500 Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1001127000147.30206A-100000(a)schmooze.hunter.cuny.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: schmooze.hunter.cuny.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: spln alt.folklore.computers:123375 A family friend died, and while cleaning out some woodworking stuff, I noticed an ITT teletype sitting in the garage. I know nothing about its working condition, and didn't have time to look for a model number or the like, but it does have a paper tape reader/punch (with some blank tape and a 1/2 full chad container). His widow thinks it worked when last used, but that was a while ago. It is free for the pickup, if anyone accessable to the north shore of Long Island (Nassau County, New York State, U.S.A.) is interested in it. Otherwise, it will get tossed. Email me for contact info.

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DECserver 200

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote: > You're not the only one with it on your todo list. I've got one I need to > get up and running since as I understand it, it can do Reverse LAT, and act > as a Console Server. I *NEED* a console server! > > For anyone that's wondering (I know Chuck knows) the software is on the just > about any VAX or Alpha VMS ConDist. I have one, too (and the uVAX2000 w/disk that it used to boot from). What I would like to do is fire up DECnet on a Linux box and start the DECserver >from there. Has anyone tried _that_ yet? -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

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Too late for the Sords

by PeksaDO＠Cardiff.ac.uk

A similar tragedy (although on a much smaller scale) last week. Arrive at coffee at 11:15 to be told that an IBM PS/2 P70 (386 plasma luggable) has been placed/thrown on the skip. This is in direct contravention of my standing orders that I should be told before anything is thrown away - but no one listens.... Anyway, deciding that no more damage will come to the item while I finish my coffee, I finish my coffee. Twenty minutes later and I'm standing next to the skip or more correctly I would be standing next to the skip if the skip was there - it's gone. I am overcome with guilt - if only I'd gone immediately, if only I'd broken a few legs earlier to impress upon people that I collect junk^H^H^H^H antiques. However I later discover that the skip had been removed a minute or two before 11:00, so even if I'd gone immediately on being told I would have been too late. I am now resolved to go immediately and at high speed when information is received. The baseball bat is now within easy reach on the bookshelf. Doug.

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DECserver 200

by Scott.Miller＠vandenberg.af.mil

Yup, typically used for dumb terminals, serial printers, and modems. Unfortunately I'm still stuck using these things here at work. I've almost got rid of them all - every time we have a power failure, another one dies. They're not really bad units, but when they've been powered on for a decade or more without interruption, the reliability goes downhill and besides that we're trying to get away from non-IP traffic on the network. I've only seen these things used with OpenVMS, though I suppose at least DEC Unix might have software. If I remember right, these things download their code from the nearest VMS box when they're powered up. Setting REPLY/ENABLE on the VMS system should let you see it start up. I've really never configured one >from scratch, just swapped out good units for bad ones, so I'm really not sure of the whole installation procedure. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Iggy Drougge [mailto:optimus@canit.se] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 4:06 PM To: Classic computing Subject: DECserver 200 At the user group today, I was intrigued by a pretty little DEC box called a "DECserver 200MC" (or MX?). It's got a very anonymous front panel, whereas the back is fitted out with 8 DB25 ports, into which some RS232->MJ11 (or whatever that modular DEC serial port is called) converters are plugged. There is also an AUI port. Is it a terminal server of some kind? -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6. Hackers do it with fewer instructions.

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DaynaFile 2

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, John Foust wrote: > > > At 09:33 PM 11/27/00 -0500, Louis Schulman wrote: > > >Does someone have the software. I have downloaded the two > > >.hqx files, but they are password protected. Doh! Anyone > > >know how to crack password protection on an .hqx file? > > > > Passwords on BinHex files? I've never heard of that. > > BinHex is similar to 'uuencode', just a binary to ASCII > > conversion. How did you attempt to open them? > > John, the 'q' in the extension suggests a 'squeezed' file, and > while I am not aware of a password scheme for squeeze programs, > that does not prove that there were not some. > > Louis, I would take a crack at it with the Carson Wilson program > CFX and see what it does. I was able to use "Stuffit Password Remover" to get into the original un-binhexed file. Unfortunately, it turned out NOT to be DaynaFile 3.1 as labeled, but was actually SuperVideo (Radius?). Luckily I found my original DaynaFile disks. If anyone else has an orphaned DaynaFile-II, let me know, and I'll spin you a copy. -dq

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Vax 4000-60

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> >> The open was added around the time of the compaq merger. the sales and >> other external peripheria started using OpenVMS to counter the idea that >> VMS was a sealed OS, anyone with internals training or a complete knew >> that VMS was as open as could be had without giving the code away. >> The idea had to be sold as really closed OSs were well known then >> (early 90s) as IBM. > >Huh? The Open was added around the 6.0/6.1 timeframe. The Compaq merger >was during the 7.2eft timeframe. I'd thought the namechange was a >combination of emphasising it's openess, but largly a reaction to the fact >they now had VMS running on both VAX and Alpha. > > Zane No! The Alpha was a year after OpenVMS was started in references. I was seeingit internally back in '91, the alpha was a bit later. The OS itself was to change internal and external names much later. The compaq merger was earlier than 7.2 {time flies when your having fun}. Allison

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EBCDIC to ASCII Utility for DOS/Win?

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

Don't let me scare anyone, but this question is actually for _work_. :-) The mainframe guys asked me if I knew of any utilities for translating from EBCDIC to ASCII on a DOS or Windows PC, as they have a user who keeps getting big (12MB) data dumps from another company in EBCDIC, and they're getting tired up uploading it to the mainframe and back down just to get the EBCDIC->ASCII translation done. Any suggestions? Web searching has turned up very little of interest. Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com Home of Fun with Molten Metal, technological oddities, and the original COSMAC Elf computer simulator!

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Vax 4000-60

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> >Far be it from me to argue with a Digit :-), my 5.5-2 disk boots up as ;) I started at DEC when REX and MILLRAT were running V3.1 and got the watch the progression of versions from there through V5.5-4. >VAX/VMS and my 6.0 disk boots up as OPENVMS/VAX. The 5.x ConDist >documentation calls it VMS the savesets are VMSxxx and the 6.x ConDist The open was added around the time of the compaq merger. the sales and other external peripheria started using OpenVMS to counter the idea that VMS was a sealed OS, anyone with internals training or a complete knew that VMS was as open as could be had without giving the code away. The idea had to be sold as really closed OSs were well known then (early 90s) as IBM. >calls it OpenVMS and the savesets are OVMSxxx. However, I don't really know >when DEC started pushing VMS as 'OpenVMS' in relationship to what release >was shipping. True, and 7.2 calls the various DEC$whatits still too. >Frank confirms the 4.7. I'd like to find a 5.6 set though, I looked through >the SPD on the Compaq site and was trying to figure out what it added >relative to 5.5-2. No idea. I have 5.5-4 one one disk still. The usual release rules were Even numbers were feature adds 5.2, 5.4 and the odd ones were bug fixes and small features. By V4 though that was starting to get very munged. Allison

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Vax 4000-60

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

To: classic <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Sunday, November 26, 2000 10:29 PM Subject: Vax 4000-60 >I think a Vaxstation 4000-60 is capable of running VMS but I want to >double check. Can it? > Your not serious? ;) VMS is native OS on VAX, that is a VAX. The correct question should be minimum version for device support? I believe it was either V5.4 or 5.6, some one can confirm. The hobbiest version of 7.2 does. Allison

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DECserver 200

by optimus＠canit.se

At the user group today, I was intrigued by a pretty little DEC box called a "DECserver 200MC" (or MX?). It's got a very anonymous front panel, whereas the back is fitted out with 8 DB25 ports, into which some RS232->MJ11 (or whatever that modular DEC serial port is called) converters are plugged. There is also an AUI port. Is it a terminal server of some kind? -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6. Hackers do it with fewer instructions.

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10base2 / 10baseT (again)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Can you name one other system (not a Mac 128 or Mac512 varient) that has > the same pinout for a DE9 serial port? Because I sure can't think of one. I have two _peripherals_ that do - an ISA AppleTalk card (third party) and an Asante AppleTalk<->Ethernet bridge. I am not aware of any non-Mac-compatible/non-AppleTalk devices that use that particular (semi-)standard. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

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Looking for Videobrain system

by BobMcPhail＠aol.com

I am looking for a working Videobrain system with software. If anyone has one available for sale or has any leads, I would really appreciate hearing about it. Thank you.

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10base2 / 10baseT (again)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Well, I'd posit that Apple _set_ standards instead of following them. > > > > For example, Apple's use of a DB-25 for a SCSI port and the pinout > > they chose has been copied widely throughout the industry. > > Try to plug in a device with the Future Domain pinout. I don't know > which came first, I just know that they are incompatible to the point > of releasing the majic smoke. How strange! I have a Future Domain SCSI card (850-MEX?) that uses exactly the Apple pinout, and even carries a sticker on the rear bezel stating same! > > More conventionally, the serial ports follow normal pinouts, even > > though they're electrically RS-422 instead of RS-232C. > > The "normal pinouts" were defined by Apple. Other systems used different > pinouts on the same Mini-DIN connector (Epson PX-8, for example). As Tony caught, I had been referring to the DB-9 serial ports on the 128k, 512k, and 512ke Macs. I started early... regards, -dq

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DaynaFile 2

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> At 09:33 PM 11/27/00 -0500, Louis Schulman wrote: > >Does someone have the software. I have downloaded the two > >.hqx files, but they are password protected. Doh! Anyone > >know how to crack password protection on an .hqx file? Is the DaynaFile 2 the 5 1/4 inch external floppy drive for a Mac that reads PC floppies? If so, I think I've got the software somewhere (got the drive, at least)... -dq

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10base2 / 10baseT (again)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > I'm trying to think of any interface on the Mac that is in any sense > > > 'standard'. And no, I can't think of one... > > > > Well, I'd posit that Apple _set_ standards instead of following them. > > Even when there were already perfectly good standards to use... > > > For example, Apple's use of a DB-25 for a SCSI port and the pinout > > they chose has been copied widely throughout the industry. > > YEs, but the 50 pin SCSI standards have the advantage that there's a > ground wire between the signal wires if you use stnadard ribbon cable. > That's _why_ a 50 pin connector was originally chosen. The DB25 is thus > technically inferior.... Depends on how long your cable needs to be. I've got a hard drive with a 6-inch SCSI cable, and at lengths that short, you really don't need the extra ground lines, unless you'be in a *really* noisy RF environment. OTOH, if you really need to run long SCSI cables, having the extra ground lines isn't really enough; in that sense, single-ended SCSI is technically inferior to differential SCSI. > > More conventionally, the serial ports follow normal pinouts, even > > though they're electrically RS-422 instead of RS-232C. > > Eh? The Mac serial ports are 8 pin Mini-DIN on almost all Macs I've seen. > That was not a standard at the time, and is only a de-facto standard now. > > The original Mac and Mac 512k used DE9 seiral ports, with a pinout > different to everyone else (and yes, there _were_ 9 pin serial ports > about when the Mac was introduced). Until I started working here, I'd seen more 128k, 512k, and 512KE Macs than any other models. YMMV, etc. > > And as someone else pointed out, Mac power cords fit just about > > any computer device from the PC era forwards. > > And just about any other electronic device... Well, my old Sony reel-to-reel uses a cord that appears as if it's compatible with my old waffle iron and coffee percolator. ;-) -dq

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Why is it that ...

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

You can sneeze funny and get 30 gung-ho techies to create a new flavor of Linux but nobody seems to want to work on a Web Browser that can work on classic hardware? (besides Lynx of course :-) --Chuck

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10base2 / 10baseT (again)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Well, my experience seems to suggest that Apple _never_ followed accepted > hardware standards, particularly with respect to connectors. Even their > first serial card for the Apple ][ was wired as a DCE (and not a DTE > which just about every other computer that I've come across is). > > I'm trying to think of any interface on the Mac that is in any sense > 'standard'. And no, I can't think of one... Well, I'd posit that Apple _set_ standards instead of following them. For example, Apple's use of a DB-25 for a SCSI port and the pinout they chose has been copied widely throughout the industry. More conventionally, the serial ports follow normal pinouts, even though they're electrically RS-422 instead of RS-232C. In 1984, there wasn't any kind of a standard in place yet for a mouse interface. And as someone else pointed out, Mac power cords fit just about any computer device from the PC era forwards. regards, -dq

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IBM PS/2 Model 60 ready to retire

by vcf＠siconic.com

If someone is interested in this machine, please contact the original sender directly. Reply-to: drawling(a)ix.netcom.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 12:48:56 -0800 From: Micael mcQuade <micaelm(a)ix.netcom.com> Subject: Donation of IBM PS2 November 26, 2000 Hey Guys, I have been looking for a home for my old IBM PS/2 Model 60. It is in original 1988 condition and has Microchannel, 80286 10 MHz Chip, 44 MB Hard Drive with AST 3 MB RAM Board. Currently it runs with Windows 3.1 and DOS 4.01, Word for Windows and Excel for Windows Version 1. I want it to have a "loving home" and useful afterlife as I have been loathe to part with it out of purely sentimental reasons. I will include all software and the original "Reference Diskette" etc. I probably have other vintage memorabilia as well to add. Any IBM-philes will appreciate the elegant Microchannel Architecture which was way ahead of its time! Please let me know if this donation is of interest to you and to where and whom I may ship it. Denise Rawlings I can be reached by email at drawling(a)ix.netcom.com. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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PDP 11/45 in ieed of rescue: Prince George, CANADA

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Combination of procrastination and lack of resources has put this one in danger. PDP 11/45 system with a terminal or two is in danger of ending up on the scrap in a very few days. I've been trying to find a way to get up there to get it, but it is just not working out. If anyone in the area is interested, or should just happen to be coming this way and would not mind picking up a hitch hiking computer, please contact me for details. -jim --- jimw(a)computergarage.org || jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.computergarage.org Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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MAPLIN 8255 card still available

by kebabthesheep＠yahoo.com

They might not be in the catalogue - but I bought one on saturday, for 25 of our english pounds, >from the one in Southampton, and slapped it togeather in a couple of minutes. Still doesn't come with a backplate - i'll have to make one up, next time i'm near a metal shop. I daren't put it in my PC - the card's such a loose fit in the slot being 8-bit isa :( Ho hum, three rail eprom dumper here we come :) Dave. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

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RK8E M993

by djg＠drs-esg.com

>Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:09:31 -0800 (PST) >From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> > >- --- David Gesswein <djg(a)drs-esg.com> wrote: >> I thought that the RK8E needed the IC > >Perhaps. I've never owned a working RK8E. > >> and the original cable I am using with my RK8E does have it installed. > >That's pretty suggestive. OTOH, perhaps that's there for RK01/RK03 >compatibility? (Just a WAG) > I have looked further. The IC etc seems to just buffer the Omnibus power ok signal to drive the RK05 power good. The later card just connects them. I tried a C card without the IC in my computer and seemed to work fine. (Watch out, the red stripe was not on the pin 1 side of my C versions of the cable) Looks like any M993 may work fine but I didn't try to track down how the RK05 generates it's DC low or if it changed between versions. I have put pictures of the boards at http://www.pdp8.net/rk05/rk05.shtml >> The RK8E (with M993C) and RK05 schematics are on my web site > >Roger. As I said, though, I have a set, too. > I was trying to go back in the archive and see what had been said (I think my memory refresh failed awhile ago) but I can't find a working archive. The www.classiccmp.org seems to stopped in August. www.retrobytes.org seems to also stopped in August and was putting everything in April. Does anybody know of a good archive? David Gesswein http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Old computers with blinkenlights

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Why is it that ...

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> >You can sneeze funny and get 30 gung-ho techies to create a new flavor of >Linux but nobody seems to want to work on a Web Browser that can work on >classic hardware? (besides Lynx of course :-) > >--Chuck Simple because it's impossible, they believe that! ;) Of course there's Newdeal Software and they have a small browser that runs pretty light and I think it runs on XTs! Allison

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DEC memru cards

by mcr6＠wvi.com

They are for a Digital DecSystem 5000/200

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[Fwd: itt tty]

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

An interesting item spotted on the net in need of rescue. Responses to the original poster (shown below) please. -jim =================================================================== >Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 07:20:43 -0800 >Subject: [Fwd: itt tty] > > >From: "Eric Schweitzer (archy)" <ershc(a)schmooze.hunter.cuny.edu> >Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers >Subject: itt tty >Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 00:21:46 -0500 > > >A family friend died, and while cleaning out some woodworking stuff, I >noticed an ITT teletype sitting in the garage. I know nothing about its >working condition, and didn't have time to look for a model number or the >like, but it does have a paper tape reader/punch (with some blank tape and >a 1/2 full chad container). His widow thinks it worked when last used, but >that was a while ago. It is free for the pickup, if anyone accessable to >the north shore of Long Island (Nassau County, New York State, U.S.A.) >is interested in it. Otherwise, it will get tossed. > >Email me for contact info. --- jimw(a)computergarage.org The Computer Garage - http://www.computergarage.org Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Why is it that ...

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> >I just checked, it does. That's the name of the outfit I've been trying to >remember! They're the old Geoworks Ensemble. I know, the owner was quoted in the same article I was. >Basically they look to be the cooliest PC software company! Though they're >claim to be for any PC is no longer true since they no longer support the >8086, and haven't for about 3 years, IIRC. Havent checked for a while. When I tried their stuff it worked and was both tiny and fast. Allison

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Vax 4000-60

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> >Yup, VMS went 5.5-2 to 6.0, 6.1 then 7.0, 7.1, and 7.2 You forgot 5.6. >And at the 5.5-2 to 6.0 transition it changed names to "OpenVMS" Nope sooner, V5 was the official start of the OpenVMS name and push. >I believe the release before 5.0 was 4.4 but I'm not sure. I've got tapes >for 4.0, 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3. There was 4.6 and 4.7. I believe ther were some major adds at 4.6 like long file names{if it wasnt that it was another big feature}. Allison

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Vax 4000-60

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> wrote (about VMS): > I believe the release before 5.0 was 4.4 but I'm not sure. No, it was 4.7. -Frank McConnell

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First personal computer nostalgia

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: John Tinker <jtinker(a)coin.org> >Oops. Well it's a basket case as far as computing goes. I've had it >since about '78 and along the way decided I would sell the boards one >at a time as souvenirs of the arms race. I pulled the boards, but >didn't actually sell any. The gigantic power connecter has been >clipped out, because it was so neat all by itself. I still have it, >but what a mess. It all can be put back so it's possible though a real task. Even back when a "fresh" one was a tough to get going. >something like 10k of 12 bit words on the fixed head harddrive, (the >case of which has a warning label about being made of beryllium and >therefore not to file or scrape it and breath its dust.) Be is nasty stuff, still intact it's collecters peice. The one I got to play with was not Be cased. >As you know the card cage is cylindrical, and the frame is made of >magnesium. I was told that the "stabile platform" -- I guess a >gyroscope and a telescope, that once was inside of it cost a quarter I've seen one complete, really neat. Also I've seen one run simple programs. >surface of the earth. In spite of its defunct condition, it still >looks kind of neat. I always thought it would make a great coffee >table -- with a glass top. Lots of gold plated parts, and every >transistor and diode in the whole thing has its own serial number. Excellent way to keep it as it's large. Allison

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KS10 pictures available...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

See http://opobo.umtec.com/pictures/ks10. I'll take more later. I tried taking pictures of the text on the monitor, but it didn't work out. -------

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68k TinyBasic

by ryan＠inc.net

Anyone have some experience with TinyBasic for the 68000? I've made a few mods to make it run on my homebrew 68k system, but it gets quirky doing a list, sometimes causes address errors, etc., Trying to debug it, but I would say the internals are "highly optimized", and therefore somewhat hard to follow. I know it's a long shot, TIA, Ryan

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COSMAC VIP Instruction Manual

by vcf＠siconic.com

I have an extra copy of the COSMAC 1802 Instruction Manual (120 pages) that I ran accidentally. I run copies of manuals for folks at $0.25 per page which covers my time and expenses. Since the folks who I ran the other copies for paid for them, it would be unfair to just offer it up for shipping, so if anyone wants it at $30 (postage included) please let me know. I'm embarrassed that it has to cost so much but again it does cover expenses and my time. It took me about 4 hours to run 8 copies of various manuals the other night...way more time than it should have but the copier I was using is finnicky and doesn't do automatic 11x17 double-sided copies, so it was a slightly manual process. Kinko's would charge $0.07 per page, and a double-sided 11x17 page counts as 4 pages, equals $0.21 per page just in copying costs :( Anyway, if you are interested, please contact me directly at <sellam(a)vintage.org>. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Wanted: MITS/Pertec Extended BASIC

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, In the continuing saga of my Icom Attache, I have it up and running, no magic smoke, and I have received the manual from Steve Shepard (THANKS!). However, with only 512 bytes of EPROM on the Turnkey board (TURMON and MBL 1702s), it's a bit limited :-) The monitor can display memory, alter memory, or jump to a memory location. The MBL can load from a cassette tape. That's about it... The manual did note that there are a few versions of BASIC that this machine can run. 8K BASIC is the smallest, and also the most limited. More interesting to me is what they referred to as "Extended BASIC" either on cassette tape, or on a PROM board. Further up the line is DEBI (Disk Extended Basic by Icom), but I have no spare floppy controller for this machine. If anyone has Intel HEX files for the Extended BASIC EPROMs, or Extended BASIC on cassette tape, please let me know... Thanks!! Rich B. (I subscribe only to the digest, so I may not reply immediately...)

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How old is this PDP8?

by kees.stravers＠iae.nl

Hi, Usually I don't announce in this list my new additions to my collection. Recently I even have become somewhat ashamed about them, because my house is getting increasingly harder to live in. Sometimes it is more like a childerns maze made out of old computers than a home, and only visitors with a technical background can understand why it looks the way it does. But now something arrived that I have to tell you about, and ask a question too. A good friend works at a big research lab of the PTT here in The Netherlands. They were vacating a building and he could have the computers that were left behind. It was the same adventure as Megan's, including the very large truck filled with classic goodies. My friend gave most of them to me. They were a PDP-11/84 with a lot of drives and a PDP-8/e. He also put a PDP-8 in my garage. It seems incredible, but I think this PDP-8 is an original one from the first series from the 1960's. I put up a few pictures at http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/cm/garage2.html Could you experts look at them and verify that this really is a very old PDP8? I ask because I just can't believe it is one. It is hard to believe for me that the Dutch PTT has kept this machine in its offices all these years. The sticker with the service contract number is still on it. I don't ask because I want to sell it. It is still my friend's property and he will collect it from my place as soon as he has made room for it, and he will be getting it working again too I think, because he was programming it himself a long time ago. Kees. -- Kees Stravers - Geldrop, The Netherlands - kees.stravers(a)iae.nl http://www.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/ My home page (old computers,music,photography) http://www.vaxarchive.org/ Info on old DEC VAX computers Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Registered

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Too late for the Sords

by ekman＠lysator.liu.se

Sorry to have worked up a lot of commotion for nothing, but earlier today I received the news that we are too late to save the Sords. They were thrown in a container and dumped God-knows-where a little more than a week ago. Let us hope that they were at least disassembled and recycled. The guy I spoke with says that there may be a few tape drives left (not Sord CR-5, but other models for Sord's business range). If anyone is interested, contact Claes Borlid directly at +46 (0)31 887613. It grieves my heart that this treasure could not be saved. It is small comfort that even if we had acted faster we would not have been in time. /Fredrik PS. The company did save a few working machines of various models so that they can set up their own museum in the future. Thus, not quite everything was lost forever.

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Computer Device Teleterm 1030 info?

by elf＠ucsd.edu

Hello Ernest! Well... I'm just a bit excited here, because I've been looking for one of these for LONG time -- and just the fact that a fellow enthusiast has one is good news to me! ;-) Anyhow -- I'm so gaga over this little machine because it was my first. Yep. Starting around 1979, almost every weekend, I used one of these marvels - when my father would bring it home from work (I'd look forward to Friday's so much -- waiting for the terminal to show up (oh yes, and my father of course ;-) and if there was no terminal for me when dad rolled in at 5pm, well, it was a long 7 days until the following Friday -- sigh.) I used to go through rolls and rolls of thermal paper - I would guess an average of 6-10 rolls from Friday evening when I started pounding on the keys until Sunday night when I had to give it up (actually, I usually sneaked in some more time Monday morning, real early before school.) I would dial up to a local TIP and then connect to machines back at MIT (in the days of I.T.S. and their "tourist" accounts.) I had logins at MIT-AI, DM, MC, and ML. Dialogs would ensue, real time chatting (connect with ^_c I think? I know I had the hardest time figuring out how to produce a control-underscore for some reason), mailing list reading (what were they call again? HUMAN-NETS and SF-LOVERS I believe (?)) This was all real novel for me at the time: I don't want to date myself here (why not Eric? ...) but to a grade school kid - I was doing some unique stuff compared to my peers. I developed quite a group of fellow "tourist" friends, and some MIT student friends -- although the notion of having tourists was not all that popular with some administrators at the LCS. I even visited the lab at MIT a couple times (relatives live in Boston area) and recd the full tour of "545 Tech Square, the 9th floor" (I know - big wow - but for me, at the time, having _never_ used a CRT terminal, it was a chance to experience things such as emacs without having to work your way around it using a thermal paper printout (ugh). I ramble - back to the Teleterm: I don't know what the connectors on the back are - IIRC - I never had to use them. I just jammed the phone headset as hard as I could into the acoustic coupler and kept the ambient noise down. Those inverted-toilet-bowl-plunger designs (er, I mean acoustic-coupler) frustrated me on many occasions. And I have to ask: Any more of these machines available? I've had no luck in finding these at all! :( Finally - I had thought the unit was actually called "Miniterm" as opposed to "Teleterm" -- but since you actually have the unit ... I do have a picture of the Miniterm I had used -- see it at http://home.san.rr.com/instep/miniterm.jpg (BTW - This is my first post to this list - I have been a silent reader for quite some time - and have the usual first-time-poster-jitters. I also want to thank Marvin(a)rain.org for pointing this list out to me!) Eric > Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:49:53 -0800 > From: "Ernest" <ernestls(a)home.com> > Subject: Computer Device Teleterm 1030 info? > I found one of these interesting little devices earlier in the week, and I > can't find any information about it on the net, so I thought that I would > check with you folks to see if anyone knows anything about it? > It by a company called "Computer Device." Do you think they sprained their > brains coming up with that name? I picture some venture capitalist saying, > "Damnit! That's a good one." > It's got an acoustic coupler on the back, a roll of paper behind the > keyboard on the front. It sort of reminds me of a blue Apple II, with the > roll of paper visible behind the keyboard. > It also has a couple of female ports on the back (DB25/DB15) but they are > unmarked. > Any information that anyone could give me on this Teleterm 1030 would be > appreciated. > Thanks > Ernest

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FS:PS/2 colro model 25

by russ＠rbcs.8m.com

Have a very good condition PS/2 model 25, type 8525-004, that runs an upgradeable 512k RAM, 8086 processor and built in color monitor. It's got two 720k 3.5" floppies and complete and in very good cosmetic condition. Does not include a keyboard but it takes about any PS/2 connector'd keyboard you can find. I have $7.00 into it. Anyone want one of these for the $7.00 plus UPS or USPS shipping? Remember now that it's ont he heavy side, about 35-45 lbs possibly. Drop me a direct note if interested. Russ Blakeman Clarkson, KY 42726

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HP documentation woes

by jate＠uwasa.fi

(This is just griping so feel free to press 'D') Every once in a while I fire up google and try to find out something about HP 9000/500 series. Anyway, today I made two discoveries: 1.) HP doesn't know about HP-UX 5 (or 4) http://www.software.hp.com/HPUX-RDMP/history/slide1.htm but there's HP-UX FOCUS newsletter(s) http://www.software.hp.com/HPUX-RDMP/related/focus/hpfocus.htm sadly not about the FOCUS cpu. 2.) HP journal has completely disappeared. www.hp.com/hpj now returns a 404. Gargh, even Digital, the notorious site "re-organizer" *and* even after being bought by Compaq still has Digital Technical Journal in html, pdf, ps and text. The links maybe broken but at least you can still *get* them. Sorry, I'm just whining as it's too difficult to get any detailed cpu or instruction set manuals for the FOCUS chip and I'm just jealous at all the PDP/VAX-people:) -- jht

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First personal computer nostalgia

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: John Tinker <jtinker(a)coin.org> >Guidance computer from Minute Man missle (1961) Whatever you do preserve that one. They were not that common and rare now. It was possible to even make one work useably. I havent hacked one since the early 70s, back then I only had the remotest clue, but it was cool. Allison

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Vax 4000-60

by ncherry＠home.net

I think a Vaxstation 4000-60 is capable of running VMS but I want to double check. Can it? -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)home.net http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only) http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge)

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Computer Rescue needed in Portland, OR

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I'd posted something about this a couple months ago I believe. The time has come for me to dump a bunch of my collection, actually that time is long past. I've decided to concentrate on the portion of the Hobby that I'm most interested in. Namely PDP-11 and VMS systems. I managed to get rid of a bunch of stuff yesterday, but still am needing to get rid of more. I've got a bunch of junk that just needs rescued, I've got other stuff I'm looking for some money for or some Sun or DEC stuff that I can use (fairly modern in other words). These items are marked with a '$'. Now for the bad news, some of this stuff it needs to go by Saturday the 2nd or it goes to the scrapper (and I work evenings). The one positive thing I can say is that I've managed to get most of the good stuff into one of my other two units. Basically I'm trying to avoid paying another month on the third unit (I might actually need to get it out prior to Saturday, I've got to doublecheck on that). Zane RULE1: These systems are for *local pickup* only. I quite simply do not have time to ship stuff. RULE2: Systems sold as is. Various NorthStar Advantage (needs an Operating System) Laser 128 Generic S-100 Bus Chassis $ Kaypro II Bell & Howell Apple ][ 2 broken keys (Have a pile of spare parts including a good keyboard) $ HP Integral PC (1 totally working, 2 partially working, 1 carrying case, 2 expansion chassis, big box of manuals) Mattel Aquarius (Unknown) Ampro Little Board (Unknown) $ Epson PX-8 (think that's the right name) Apple Apple ][ plus Apple ][e (x2) Apple ][e enhanced 3 broken keys Apple ][c (x2) Apple ][gs (x2 1 is a Woz) $ Apple III+ $ Lisa 2/5 Apple Macintosh's Macintosh 512k, third party upgrade to Plus Macintosh SE Macintosh SE/HDFD Macintosh II Macintosh LC Atari $ Atari TT030 Commodore Bussiness Machines Commodore PET (model 4064) Unknown Condition Commodore 64c $ Amiga 2000 (x3 only 1 keyboard, 2 Magni Genlocks, 1084 monitor, misc. other stuff) $ Amiga 3000 (1 fully updated, 1 spare. The updated one includes a Catweasel, Picasso IV, a total of 18MB RAM, and latest rev chips. I will keep this system before I part it out so don't bother asking.) digital $ PDP-11/03 $ PDT-11/150 (Unknown Condition) $ DEC Professional 380 (has VAX console board) DECmate III (3 or 4 of them, Need Software, but that's easily available on the net) DEC Rainbow (Unknown) DECstation 5000/133 (no drives, 32MB RAM, works) IBM PS/2 Model 55SX IBM PC clones Kapro PC IMSAI $ IMSAI 8080 (Rack Mount style, have top/sides for desktop style) Tandy Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer 2 Texas Instruments Silent 700 Data Terminal (two different models) -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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I have a KS10 now...

by rs＠seastrom.com

Daniel Seagraves <root(a)bony.umtec.com> writes: > Will it be unhappy with my if I plug all these 120 AC plugs (I found 3 so > far, one for the fan at the base of the rack, one for the KS logic, and > one for the UNIBUS box) into a normal powerstrip instead of DEC's? > I don't have the proper plug for the end of the power controller, and this > is what I do for my PDP-11s anyway. Actually, you can _just_ get away with plugging it into a 15 amp circuit if you unscrew the L5-30P and replace it with a 5-15. I used to do that all the time... I was told by one person that the L5-30 was for mechanical reasons, not for electrical (L5-20 is kind of wimpy). ---Rob

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I have a KS10 now...

by wilson＠dbit.com

>From: Daniel Seagraves <root(a)bony.umtec.com> >Will it be unhappy with my if I plug all these 120 AC plugs (I found 3 so >far, one for the fan at the base of the rack, one for the KS logic, and >one for the UNIBUS box) into a normal powerstrip instead of DEC's? >I don't have the proper plug for the end of the power controller, and this >is what I do for my PDP-11s anyway. Shouldn't be a problem, but the 115V/30A twistlock outlets are available >from Home Depot and probably any other place too. The HDs around here changed suppliers a while ago, so their twistlocks went from about $12 to about $20, still not too bad. John Wilson D Bit

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RM Nimbus

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

>Date: 14 Nov 00 00:21:26 +0100 >From: "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> >Subject: 80186 Nimbus > >On the subject of whether the Research Machines 80186 based computer was >called PC1 or Nimbus, I managed to dig out an old issue of Practical Computing >(March 1985) where the machine is reviewed. >It is actually called RM Nimbus, but is available in two models - PC1 and PC2. >Thus, both parties were right. >It features 3.5" floppy drives, an 8910 three-voice sound chip (Is this the >same as the YM2149?) as well as an Oki digitised voice chip, and has dedicated >graphics chips which are quite speedy. I took some pix of mine last night but my ISP was acting up so I couldn't upload 'em. Mine is RM Nimbus PC1 and it has 2 cart slots on the front as well as a bundle of ports on the back including colour AND mono monitors, keyboard, mouse, RJ11 printer connector, RJ11 'aux' or 'piconet' connector, Ethernet connector (BNC) and 4 or 5 expansion slots, one of which carried the IO board. Sound and voice you say? Hmmmm :) What OS did it run then? DOS or CP/M? More importantly, has anyone got spare {whatever} disks?

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I have a KS10 now...

by wilson＠dbit.com

>From: "Daniel A. Seagraves" <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> >I got it from John Wilson, moved it 1000 >miles to home. Just for the record: this KS10 and TU45 belonged to Gordon Greene, I was only storing them for him, until he finally decided that if he hadn't powered them on in the nine years since we retrieved them from Texas, it was never going to happen. Glad to hear you guys made it back OK, that was a pretty long round trip to make in 2.5 days! John Wilson D Bit

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VMS BBS network

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: THETechnoid(a)home.com <THETechnoid(a)home.com> >>How would user accounts be handled? Also most importantly is anyone >>seriously interested in this? There are two ways to do this, one is proxies to specific applications. The other is a generic guest account that has limited permissions. Of course you can do an account for every one that wants to use it. Basically anything you do under unix or NT is reasonable for VMS and striaght forward. >I'm so green I don't know how to create other users at this point. I can >follow the networking so lemme' know and I'll implement it. One of two ways, by hand in Authorize or some version of VMS had a script (DCL) that woul build a basic account. TASKS: Create the directory for the user. Create an account in Authorize with correct permissions and passwords. Provide a default login script, in the user account. Consult HELP and and within Authorize HELP. Allison

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80186 and now AMY chip

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Eric J. Korpela <korpela(a)ellie.ssl.berkeley.edu> >I for one would be interested in seeing whatever references to 8080 internals >this kind of stuff comes from. The bulk of what I have doesn't give any >internal details. I'd alway assumed that there was some sort of >synchronization of writeback to the accumulator (or other destination register) >or the update of the flags that ate up the extra cycle. On the 8080 you have cycles that are 3-6 clocks long and total cycles(clocks). IE: to fetch a 3byte operand like a LXI SP,1234 requires 3 CYCLES and and an extra clock to put it in the SP. Still thats only 10 clocks. an an ADD REG is only one cycle and 4 clocks, the address and staus out eat two clocks with status availabile on the midpoint of the second clock. The remaining clocks, T3 is the instruction decode time and T4 is the actual operation. For DAD (16bit add) 10 cycles breaks to the first 3 as setup and exectute overhead and 6 (basically two 8bit adds) spread across thre cycles. The second two cycles have one clock each of over head as the internal bus is used to transfer status to the out side world (bus idle state). >Given a 16 bit add takes 11 T cycles, that would be 2 for fetch and decode, not for the 8080, it's 10. For z80 it's 11. >4 for ALU passes, and 5 for who knows what. Probably moving things too and >from internal registers, that would explain why a 16 bit increment could be >done in 6 T cycles, 2 fetch+4 ALU passes. keep in mind the internal busses are few, so if status has to be moved to to the TEMP for a bit test the bus takes a cycle. Z80 adds little overheads like refresh (ever wonder what bus is used to get R tot he low address bus?). Allison

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How old is this PDP8?

by kees.stravers＠iae.nl

Now you made me go and take off the cover! :-) I didn't dare to do so at first, because of the limited space, but nothing got damaged and it paid off. I found an extended warranty sticker that said 'Reading Checkout XII.67', so your suggestion is correct! While the cover was off I made some more pictures for the page. http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/cm/garage2.html Kees On 2000-11-26 classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org said to kees.stravers(a)iae.nl >Certainly is a straight 8. Great find. Looks slightly hybrid. >The front covers I believe are from the rack mounting version. >However the bottom power supply section is in the same position as >the desk top model. >Any chance of getting the serial number? This might allow us to >date it more precisely. I would suggest closer to '68 than '66 >from the ribbon interconnects at the back. >Kevin >-----Original Message----- >kees.stravers(a)iae.nl >Sent: 26 November 2000 01:49 >He also put a PDP-8 in my garage. It seems incredible, but I think >this PDP-8 is an original one from the first series from the 1960's. >I put up a few pictures at >http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/cm/garage2.html >Could you experts look at them and verify that this really is a very >old PDP8? I ask because I just can't believe it is one. -- Kees Stravers - Geldrop, The Netherlands - kees.stravers(a)iae.nl http://www.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/ My home page (old computers,music,photography) http://www.vaxarchive.org/ Info on old DEC VAX computers Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Registered

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Macs to Collect

by mranalog＠home.com

Kelly <KFergason(a)aol.com> said: > What I would like to end up with is a list that looks like this: > 128K Mac Original FWIW and IMHO, I really consider this two computers, the "Macintosh" and the "Macintosh 128K", I have both. The "Macintosh" was introduced in January 1984, the case was changed later that year (I believe about the time the Macintosh 512K was introduced) to say "Macintosh 128K". If you want to add something truely unusual to your collection, look for a "MacCharlie". Find one of these and then you'll really have a fat Mac! http://www.mandrake.demon.co.uk/Apple/charlie.html I still have not gotten around to trying to fire mine up. If you want to get technical, get some copies of the old MacTech/MacTutor magazines. (Started in December 1984, it was MacTech for the first three issues then became MacTutor, now it's MacTech again) I also have "The Complete MacTutor" and "The Best of MacTutor". They sell a 15 volume CD collection that includes the entire archives of MacTech Magazine through June 1999 and volumes I-VI of Inside Macintosh. http://www.mactech.com/cdrom/ Good luck in your searching, --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Analog Computer Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog =========================================

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80186 and now AMY chip

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, November 24, 2000 3:27 AM Subject: Re: 80186 and now AMY chip >"Eric J. Korpela" <korpela(a)ellie.ssl.berkeley.edu> wrote: >> You missed the important one, and the only one that counts >> when determining the bitness of the processor, the width of >> the (integer) ALU. >> >> Clearly, regardless of the width of the registers and the >> address bus size, the Z80 is an 8 bit processor, as is the >> 6502. The 8088 and 8086 are both 16 bitters. The 68000 and >> 68010 are 16 bitters. The 68020 is a 32 bitter as is the >> x386. > >Actually, using this metric, the 8080 and Z-80 are 4-bit processors, Where in the world did that come from? The base data paths for z80 and 8080 are 8bits. Key words are "data paths" as the alu on 8080 is basically 8bits (with microcoded 16 bit ops as two sequential 8bit ops). Usually the size of the data word is the metric. What confuses the subject often is the instruction word size (4004 is really 8bit then) or the ability to manipulate smaller than word size (VAX and pdp-11 byte ops). >Try asking programmers what width processors are instead of hardware >engineers. They'll tell you that the 8080 and Z-80 are 8-bitters, >and that the 68000 and IBM 360 (most models) are 32-bitters. generally agreed. It when you start playing with math ops and addressing range that the "size" is noticeable and significant. However if you look at most cpus there is a basic word size and alu size that are amoung the defining parameters. Allison

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Altair32 Emulator Update

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: Work progresses on the Altair32 emulator project. See the update on my Web page: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/altairem.htm Right now, I'm working on the virtual disk drives, and a friend of mine is working on the virtual VDT terminal. No code is posted yet, but I hope to have it nearly complete by the end of December. Rich Rich Cini ClubWin! Group 1 Collector of Classic Computers Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /*****************************************/

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Farallon EtherWave NuBus (barely on-topic)

by spectre＠stockholm.ptloma.edu

This squeaks by but I think it's still on topic :-) I landed a Mac IIci w/24MB RAM, an 832MB HD, an 8*24*GC NuBus video card (which will go to the IIsi), the 32MB cache card, and treasure trove of all, a Farallon EtherWave NuBus card which works wonderfully. Total cost: "take it away it's consuming space" Anyway, I decided this would be a fine box for putting NetBSD/mac68k on (and I've got the NetBSD Foundation CDs on order). Then I noticed the card has *two* Ethernet ports on it, which makes me wonder if I can assign them to separate network interfaces. Anyone played with this card and know what the difference between the ports is? Can I assign them different network interfaces, either in NetBSD or in MacOS? I didn't see an option under the TCP/IP control panel (System 7.6). -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- TODAY'S DUMB TRUE HEADLINE: Plane Too Close to Ground, Crash Probe Told ----

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PDP-11 Available

by jhfine＠idirect.com

Who mentioned that they are in Montreal? I have a lead for you!

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VMS BBS network (part 2)

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

This is basically a repost of info I sent out to comp.os.vms earlier in the week. However, I'm not sure it made it out of my ISP since I can't find it in DejaNews. Anyway I'm basically stuck on getting the DECnet over TCP/IP working through my firewall. What follows is the info I'd posted to the newsgroup: I'm trying to setup a VAX behind a firewall to accept DECnet over TCP/IP connections. I'm running OpenVMS V7.2, DECnet-Plus, and TCP/IP V5.0. I've got the following setup: VAXstation 4000-60 <----> OpenBSD Firewall <----> Internet AlphaStation 500/333<--+ The Firewall is doing NAT and I've redirected ports 102 and 399 directly to the VAXstation-60, which from what little documentation I could find on DECnet over TCP/IP looks to be enough. I've got DECnet over TCP/IP working just fine between the VAX and the Alpha (I set it up on the Alpha only for the purpose of testing this). However when I try and connect to the VAX from the Alpha using the Internet IP address I can't. This seems to indicate to me that I need to redirect more than just ports 102 and 399. The following four lines seem to be the only network traffic when I attempt a "SET HOST {Internet IP Address}". 15:21:54.144064 alpha.1062 > firewall.399: S 929664000:929664000(0) win 16384 <mss 1460,nop,wscale 0> 15:21:54.144066 firewall.399 > alpha.1062: R 0:0(0) ack 929664001 win 0 15:21:54.146016 alpha.1063 > firewall.399: S 929728000:929728000(0) win 16384 <mss 1460,nop,wscale 0> 15:21:54.146018 firewall.399 > alpha.1063: R 0:0(0) ack 929728001 win 0 Does anyone have any idea what I need to do in order to get this working? Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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M848 cable?

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

Does anyone know the part number of the cable that goes with the M848 power fail and auto-restart board of an Omnibus pdp-8? -Lawrence LeMay

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Macs to Collect

by KFergason＠aol.com

Hello everyone, I would like opinions on which Macs to collect. I have a source of older Macs, and while the 'one of each' theory sounds good, its a bit impractal. What I would like to end up with is a list that looks like this: 128K Mac Original Mac II First color Blah Blah First PPC Blah2 First Notebook SE30 Powerful small footprint mac.. I am reasonably familiar with the Mac line up to about the IIci/cx timeframe. I am completely unfamiliar with the PowerPC line. All opinions welcome, reply to me or to the list. thanks, Kelly KFergason(a)aol.com

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eBay DELNI what?

by stewart_kevin＠hotmail.com

Hmm, I think someone got his pictures switched (Or they made an Ultima DELNI that I don't know about) ;) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=505965674 Kevin

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Who asked for these free VAX8350 boards?

by claudew＠sprint.ca

Hi I mentionned I was given a VAX8350 for free about 2-3 weeks ago on here. I had no place for it. So I just picked up some boards from it like someone asked me on here. I got no news from him since. I have 13 boards from what I suppose is the main unit of the VAX8350. All measure about 9"x9" some memory (4MB?) some with a 68k CPU...some I have no idea what they do... If the person does not get back to me these are going in garbage or to whoever wants them -- soon...shipping is from Montreal, Canada. My basement is outta control and I am doing some major cleaning. I dont need these...reply quick. Claude

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10base2 / 10baseT (again)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> >Surely a teletype would have a current loop interface, not RS232. The Correct TTY is not DTE as it's not rs232. >But this doesn't explain why the RS232 data lines are connected as a DTE. Computer used as terminal would be DTE. Also likely is the designer was not familiar with standards and went with the only RS232 they knew which was likely a terminal. I believe there should be two serial (one each) or a switchable option for DCE/DTE. Allison

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10base2 / 10baseT (again)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 25, 4:50, Iggy Drougge wrote: Eric Smith skrev: > > >I'll agree that Apple sometimes carried their "Think Different" slogan > >a bit too far, but in this case they had a reason. What they expected > >users to connect to the original serial card (not the Super Serial Card) > >was a Teletype, which of course would be wired as DTE. > > What use would a teletype be connected to a Mac, which runs an entirely > graphical operating system? Debugging? None. Eric and Tony were talking about Apple ]['s, not Macs :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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10base2 / 10baseT (again)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 24, 2:23, Tony Duell wrote: > > I've acquired a few Asante FriendlyNet Thin Adaptors. These are little > [...] To me, it sounds more like a 10base2 transceiver with an RJ45 connector > for the AUI interface. There's not enough electronics there for it to be > a 10baseT - 10based2 converter. My thought too. There would need to be a 10baseT transciever IC for a start. > Now why anyone would use a RJ45 in place of the standard DA15 I don't > know, but certain companies are well-known for deliberately changing > standards for no good reason. I hope you're not suggesting that because I mentioned it came from an Apple environment ;-) > It sounds simple enough to trace out the schematic in about 10 minutes. I > wonder how it compares to the standard 8392 application? I traced enough of it to convince myself that it's pretty well identical to several other 10base2 transceivers I've repaired or otherwise taken apart over the years, except for the built-in 50 ohm terminator and the substitution of an RJ45 for a D-15. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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cool stuff

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

Well today I was able to go and pick up the SOL-20 that I had arranged for. It included a bunch of interesting stuff, including the original manuals and Panasonic TV monitor and cassette recorder. Also part of the package are the following: - MCS6500 Microcomputer Family Hardware Manual, August 1975 - A Guided Tour of Computer Programming in BASIC, (c) 1973 - Processor Technology Extended Cassette BASIC, p/n 727019 It would appear that this particular system was purchased at either 'Recreational Computer Centers' in Sunnyvale, CA or 'The Byte Shop' in Santa Clara, CA in late 1977. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Power Computing PowerCurve, 288mhz G3, Mac OS 9 http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 Home Of The TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ

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