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VFC East on Slashdot

by jhingber＠ix.netcom.com

http://slashdot.org/articles/01/08/04/188216.shtml

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Z8000

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 4, Tony Duell wrote: > > The Z8000 included the Zilog (later Exxon Office Systems) Zeus office > > automation Unix boxes... > > Wasn't 'ZEUS' the operating system (Zilog Enhanced Unix System or > something like that). The machines had names like the 'S8000'. > > I have one. It's about 2' square, and built from 4 slices about 9" high > each. The bottom 2 slices are emtpy (well, one of them has the > distibution panel for the serial ports on the back). The next slice > contains the hard disk (am SMD-interfaced winchester, possibly Fujitsu), > and the tape drive (QIC11 IIRC). The top slice contains the card cage and > the logic PSU. The boards plug in on DIN 41612 connectors. That sounds like a Model 21 or 31. ZEUS is indeed the OS as you said above, Tony. The family is called System-8000, and the model numbers are 11, 21, and 31. The bus is called Zbus (big surprise there), and was designed with multiprocessing in mind...the hardware supported plugging in multiple processor boards, but the OS was never extended to handle multiprocessor operation. The bus was actually designed for the Z8000 and Z80,000 processors, and the spec was released separately, and then the System-8000 line was designed using that bus. The one I had, a Model 31, was mounted in the optional 6' rack. It consisted of the same "slices" that you referred to, but rack-mounted. At the top was a Zilog-labeled CDC Keystone magtape drive. The Model 11 didn't use those modular slices...it's a small deskside tower design. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Personal Computer World magazine: RML 380Z

by celigne＠tinyworld.co.uk

I've just received some issues of PCW magazine, from 1978 and 1979. Pages and pages of adverts and articles about machines that I'd previously only heard about on this list, including the Exidy Sorceror and the SOL. I really considered that I'd struck gold when I came across adverts for the Research Machines 380Z because I had been wanting to know how much this machine cost for ages. There are several pages on the Web which quote prices for this machine, but never with any indication of the source and rarely with details of the configuration. The non-historians who put these pages up might as well have picked a figure out of the air! Does anyone have Vol. 1, No. 2 of this magazine, dated June 1978? They reviewed the 380Z in that issue. I know this because No. 6 includes the following update, partially quoted here for the benefit of the other 380Z owners on this list: --quote-- There have been several changes in the Research Machines 380Z since the PCW review of it in the June (No. 2) issue. The standard operating system has been extended so that the following are standard on all 380Z and 280Z systems. Normal cassette I/O is now at 1200 baud, but the option of 300 baud (standard CUTS) is retained. The screen output, unless selected otherwise, is scrolled one page at a time, the next page being called by typing any key. Continuous scrolling and scrolling one line at a time are also possible and all the different modes can be selected under program control. Printer and Serial Interface driving routines are now also included in the operating system, and direct connection may be made to parallel interface printers such as the PR40 or Centronics 700 range. Research Machines themselves are distributing the Centronics 779 and 701 and the Trend 800. Several specific criticisms or suggestions in the PCW review have been acted on: the fast cassette I/O is assumed as the normal rate, when the page is full in page mode the cursor blinks on and off, and loading can now be interrupted by a single key stroke at all times. The housing is completely new; a strong and attractive instrument case is used. There is the same room for system expansion and the case will fit into a standard 19" rack. Further features have been added to the BASIC Interpreters. A version is available which included the ability to read and write data files on cassette. It utilises the RML cassette file system and can be used with one or two cassette recorders. The RML Interactive Text Editor and the RML Absolute Assembler have been released. The Text Editor is character oriented and may be used in immediate mode; its uses include source program or data preparation. The Z80 assembler uses Zilog mnemonics and produces object code in either the industry standard 'Intel' format or the RML binary format. It contains its own text editor which uses a subset of the commands available in RML's full Text Editor. --end quote-- One of the other issues contains a tiny picture of the 380Z in its original white case. No piccies of the 280Z though. I'll put the rest of the 380Z stuff up on my site soon. I won't be doing much more typing today -- it's up to Olympia to the Great British Beer Festival for me! Regards, Paul

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Z8000

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Eric J. Korpela <korpela(a)ssl.berkeley.edu> >a Z8000. I toyed around a while with building an S100 bus processor card >for Z8000 (long after the both the chip and systems using the bus were no longer >in general production.) Never came to anything. I still have to processor >technical manual on my shelf. It's an interesting chip, but was a bit slower >than it needed to be. I have both Z8001(segmented) and Z8002(nonsegmented) parts both good for 10mhz. Not bad for parts in my bin fromt he mid80s. So much for speed. They are far better than 8088 programming wise. Allison

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Ebay madness

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, Messick, Gary wrote: > Is it just me? What are the odds this guy gets it? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260881309 It sure doesn't hurt to gamble. I personally admire his audacity. Some stupid person with way too much money might buy it, having read about the "classic computer craze" in the Wall Street Journal or something. Capitalizing on the stupid might not boost one's karma, but I personally have very little patience for the stupid...so more power to the guy. I hope he gets his money. It does irritate me just a little, though, because I've wanted an H8 very badly nearly all my life, and will likely NEVER get one if this one sells at that price. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Fw: O.T. But a good SBC deal for my PS/2 friends

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

"LaVasseur" <lavasseur(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:<20010804150755.14916.00004361(a)ng-cg1.aol.com>... > Hi Gang, > > I found a dumpster FULL of brand-new in-box Single board computers (SBCs) Made > by Texas Micro Now (Radisys) I have over 140 Intel pentium 100 Cpu's with 16 > megs of RAM on each, they have on-board SCSI, IDE, Floppy controllers and two > serial ports and paralell port. They come 5 to a case and have drivers and docs > and floppy cables. They come from a company that used to manufacture IP > telephony equipment using rackmount cases and passive backplane motherboards. > > The model name is P575/90/120 but I can't seem to find them on the Radisys > web-site the board says "greyhound 2 > > Sorry, I know this it off topic, but I know a lot of you tinker with other IBM > compatibles and other hardware hacks . These would be great for Linux MP3 > players and such. Check out the link below. > > http://www.maximumpc.com/route66/howto1_3.html > > I'm selling them for $50 per case or $10 each plus shipping . the CPU and > memory alone are well worth that. I'm in the USA, and I don't mind shipping > them overseas. I take paypal "lavasseur(a)aol.com" > > Once again I apoligize for the off-topic post but you guys have been great > friends over the years and I really wanted to pass this along.( alright, and I > want to make a couple of bucks :-) > > > > >

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VCF East makes The Economist

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here's the web edition of an article on VCF East in The Economist: http://www.economist.com/finance/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=719262 I don't know if the article is any longer in the print edition. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

25 years

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MO drives...

by mark_k＠totalise.co.uk

Hi, On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 Roger Merchberger wrote: > I'd love to find one (or a few) of the 3.5" 128Meg (or 256Meg) drives for > my classic computing needs - great archival capabilities, and with > 8-bitters, you don't really worry much about the speed... Both SCSI and IDE models are on eBay all the time. Used 128MB and 230MB drives (compatible with 128MB disks) usually go for $10-$30. New media is also cheap; 128MB & 230MB disks cost about ?2.20 each (+VAT) in the UK. They certainly make way more sense than buying a Zip drive. You probably didn't mean to write 256MB. There are two types of 256MB MO drives, neither of which is very common. Canon made the NeXT MO drive as well as a standalone model (which does not seem to be compatible with NeXT disks). They use 5.25" disks with 256MB per side. MOST (Mass Optical Storage Technologies, now out of business) used to make 3.5" MO drives. The RMD-5100-S used 128MB disks. The RMD-5200-S could also use 256MB disks, which as far as I know were only sold by MOST. The RMD-5300-S could use 128MB, 256MB and 384MB disks. 384MB disks are covered by an ECMA standard, but as with the 256MB ones only MOST made them. I have RMD-5200-S and RMD-5300-S drives, bought mainly out of curiosity. IF ANYONE HAS JUMPER SETTING INFO FOR THESE, PLEASE CONTACT ME! I would also like to get hold of technical manuals for these drives. > The only thing you have to watch for with the 5.25" drives is sector size. > The 600Meg platters are 512-byte sectors, IIRC the 650Meg platters are > 2048-byte sectors [[but don't quote me]]... Nope, 650MB disks have 1024-byte sectors. > 650Meg disks will *not* work in a 600Meg drive, They work fine. The main reason for having two disks with slightly different capacities is that some computers/OSes only work with media that has 512-byte sectors. If you have 650MB disks which won't work in a "600MB" drive, it's probably a software problem. > but thankfully my MaxOptics takes it's "special" 1G disks, but also > reads/writes to the 600Meg disks. (which is good, because the 1G disk seemed > to be bad. It wouldn't format without a *lot* of bad sectors.) Did you try cleaning the surface of the disk? That can help for disks which have been heavily used, and so have become dusty/dirty. -- Mark

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PDP-11/23 PLUS commercial instruction set (CIS)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Megan <mbg(a)world.std.com> >and the CIS carrier actually has 6 chips. > >As I mentioned in a prior post, I have an 11/23+ with CPU, MMU, >FPU and CIS, so I can prove it exists... I also have one like that plus another with the FFPU, a quad board that is a 2901C implmentation of the FPU and faster too. Allison

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Epson HX-20

by marko＠engia.se

Hi folks! I am quite new to this mailing-list, so it might be that my question has been asked before. Execuse me if so. I got one old (is there any new =) ) Epson HX-20 and i wonder if there is some manual or some other information about how to program it in assembler? Is there any hardware information so that i could know on which addresses the periphal is on and how to access it? Best regards Marko Krejic

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PDP-11/23 PLUS commercial instruction set (CIS)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 3, 21:56, wanderer wrote: > Hmm, > > I have an 11/24 board here with a twice the size of the regular cpu > chips mounted in socket 4 & 5. Socket 3 is empty, while the standard > setup contains 3 chips in socket 1,2 & 3. Would this be the CIS chip? Yes, it is. It's six control chips mounted in one "double-width" 40-pin package. Socket 1 is the MMU, 2 is the Data and Control package of the CPU, 3 is the Floating Point. The CIS can go in 4+5 or 5+6, and 7 (or anything unused by CIS) is "spare". I don't know if there was ever any other "microms" for an 11/23 or 11/24. Anyone seen any? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Ebay madness

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, David L Kuhn wrote: > Whoooooo, looks like a bargain for $25K. I'll take two! I wish eBay had a "wish bid" system...if the starting bid is Just Too Ridiculous, a non-binding "bid" that could be entered as an "in case you don't get any opening bids for this" situation. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Some interesting finds today

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

While out diggin around the local surplus electronics place, I came across what appears to be a set of VAX Field Service Diags on 8" floppy. Does anyone have any use for them? I have mostly PDP-11 stuff myself, but could use the media. They look like they're in fine shape, with coprights from 1978-86. These I picked up. Also other interesting finds: A couple of TRS-80 cassette tape games (titles I can't remember, a TK50 cart, a cipher cart tape drive (don't remember model number), and a hacked up (user wired a fuse into it) Atari power cube for 400/800 machine. These I didn't pick up. If anyone is interested, let me know, and I'll see what he wants for them. My email address is: Gary.Messick(a)itt.com

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HP Integral FS

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Found this on E-bay. HP MODEL 207 9807A INTEGRAL PC Item # 1261307861

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Houston freebies

by nicko＠hal-pc.org

More housecleaning, free for pickup in the Houston area: - DEC chassis BA213 'skunkbox', badged DECsystem5400, unpopulated. VG condition. - MAC LC475, working - MAC IIsi - MAC Centris 610, complete, non-working - box full of '80s pc-related manuals, software - for any broadcast band dxers: box of DX News (NRC Journal)'91-'97 ... nick 0 281-516-1308

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Ebay madness

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, Russ Blakeman wrote: > I can't see an 8088, even pre-MSDOS/IBM, going for over $150 regardless. I > felt good about getting $25 for mine considering the markup from what I paid > for it. It's an 8080, not an 8088...and WAY pre-MSDOS. Tell you what...next time you one, I'll give you $300 for it. :-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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telnet interface for simh

by engdahl＠cle.ab.com

I've written a telnet interface to simh, so you can use your telnet client as a VT100 emulator for whatever you have running under simh. It is described on this page: http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl/software.htm -- Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer 24800 Tungsten Road Advanced Technology Euclid, OH 44117 USA Euclid Labs http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl

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How to get an M7554 (KDJ11-SD) working as a PDP-11

by engdahl＠cle.ab.com

I've figured out most of what you need to know to get an M7554 board working as a PDP-11/53 CPU, including the console pinout, most of the jumpers, and how to burn ROMs for the M7554-SD. It's all written down here: http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl/KDJ11.htm -- Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer 24800 Tungsten Road Advanced Technology Euclid, OH 44117 USA Euclid Labs http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl

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I'm new to this list

by lsprung＠optonline.net

Hello: I am new to this list, so let me introduce myself. I am interested in early scientific and computing history. As such, I collect early computing literature and scientific letters. I am also interested in scientific and engineering Instruments, original and patent models, literature and illustrations prior to the 19th century. The first computer I learned to program was a DIGIAC 3080, followed by an early WANG (I'd love to find them again), and then 360 assembler and PL/1. I am interested in purchasing early scientific equipment, advertising literature, electromechanical calculators, vintage computers (Imsai, Altair, TRS80, SOL, Digiac, Scelbi, SWTPC, PET, and many, many others) and associated literature. I prefer working examples, but please contact me with a description of what you have available. I'll pay shipping costs for items of interest or pick up from most areas in the eastern U.S. I look forward to participating on this list. Thank you for reading this.

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sound "card" for the big VAX :-)

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Just in case you have a TU78, have fun: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:sNZF1nPeHg8:www.mit.edu/afs/sipb/user/… -Gunther ---------------------------------------------------------------- Index of /afs/sipb/user/jtkohl/hacks/makesong Name Last modified Size Description Parent Directory 11-Jun-91 14:25 - NOTES 07-Sep-89 17:39 1k Songs/ 07-Sep-89 17:39 - makesong 07-Sep-89 17:39 1k "Makesong"* is a shell script which turns your TU78 tape-drive into a musical marvel... It is just a quick hack, so do not expect anything close to perfection. The numbers found in the "NOTES" file are approximate and could be a lot better, but I don't have the time to do it. See the example songs in the Songs/ directory... Format for a song file should be obvious from the examples... Songfiles are run through the C Preprocessor (/lib/cpp), so feel free to include comments, #defines, #includes, etc. Improvements/Bugs - the values for the notes should be tuned - more notes should be added - rests should be implemented a different way - as it stands, higher-pitched notes are shorter in duration than lower notes - the correct value for DURATION (now a constant 1000) should be a function of pitch. - different length notes (whole, half, quarter, etc.) should also be added - something other than /etc/termcap should be used as dd's if=, preferably something with unlimited size -- maybe /usr/ucb/yes "XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX" or a variant - due to the implementation of the MUSIC variable, there is probably a sh-imposed limit on the number of notes in a Songfile Interesting effects may be achieved by combining 'mt fsf' with 'mt bsf' commands - 'bsf' produces a richer "timber" of sound than does 'fsf'. Please let me know about changes and improvements you make -- also any songs you teach your TU78 to play! :-) [* Note, "makesong" works the tape drive pretty hard, so be nice. . .] Enjoy! Craig Fri Aug 25 11:12:17 CDT 1989 --- Craig D. Rice UNIX Systems Specialist cdr(a)stolaf.edu Academic Computer Center, St. Olaf College +1 507 663-3631 Northfield, MN 55057 USA

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OT: HVD SCSI controller

by bills＠adrenaline.com

Does anybody in the Washington DC area have an HVD SCSI setup that I could test some drives on before I spend money on a controller? Alternatively, does anybody have a PCI HVD SCSI controller that they would sell cheap (_really_ cheap) or trade for some vintage stuff? Thanks, Bill

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VCF East, GT-40, GT-42, GT-62 brochures, Nova software

by fwhite＠pobox.com

First I'd like to publicly thank Sellam for putting on VCF East. I had a blast, met many great people and played with some truly cool machines. I took a few photos which I've posted on a new web-site- in-progress: http://d116.com/vcf/east/1.0/ Now that I've got lots of web space, I installed scans of the GT-40, GT-42, and GT-62 brochures I have: http://d116.com/dec/gt/ Also, I made a directory with the Nova/DCC software I have on disk at the moment, including the buggy spacewar I was running at VCF: http://d116.com/dcc/sw/ I just brought this site up a few hours ago. My first visitor? The code red worm! 66.25.24.156 - - [03/Aug/2001:22:56:29 -0400] "GET /default.ida?NNNNN... Fredric

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DEC Doc's Wanted (was: Re: Wanted: Old issues of DEC Professional)

by mbg＠world.std.com

>None that I'm willing to part with, I'm also looking for these, "RSTS >Professional", "Digital Technical Journal", and any other magazines DEC >put out. Although DTJ was a DEC publication, RSTS professional, VAX professional and DEC professional were not... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Ebay madness

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, Sellam Ismail wrote: > > I wish eBay had a "wish bid" system...if the starting bid is Just > > Too Ridiculous, a non-binding "bid" that could be entered as an "in > > case you don't get any opening bids for this" situation. > > ...or you could e-mail him with an offer :) I think I might. :) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Ebay madness

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, Russ Blakeman wrote: > I picked one up 3 months ago at a yard sale for $1.25 and sold t for $25 > just last month - this guy is smoking some crack, the butt cheek kind. > > -> -----Original Message----- > -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Messick, Gary > -> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 2:40 PM > -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > -> Subject: Ebay madness > -> > -> > -> Is it just me? What are the odds this guy gets it? > -> > -> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260881309 Neat. The last one I saw went on eBay for well over a thousand dollars. Who's smoking that crack? ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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PDP-11/23 PLUS commercial instruction set (CIS)

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

Hello. Anybody knows of somebody that could sell or obtain the two CIS (commercial instruction set) chips for one PDP-11/23 PLUS ? I have the Floating Point option installed and I'd like to has this option too. Greetings and Best Regards from Spain Sergio

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Foonly

by sieler＠allegro.com

Re: > Actually, the Foonly ran a variant of TENEX, which was the predecessor to > TOPS-20. TOPS-10 was from DEC, and TENEX from BBN (Bolt, Beranek, Newman)... did DEC acquire TENEX from BBN? Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

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CRAY EL-98

by sieler＠allegro.com

Re: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1261319145 > > > Here's a rather unusual auction on eBay...a CRAY EL-98, > >supposedly functional, with OS backup tapes, and which supposedly > >came from Apple. If for nothing else, it's interesting for the > >pictures the seller has posted. I remember Carl Sassenrath telling me that he used a Cray while at Apple (post-Amiga, so that wasn't being done to design the first Mac, anyway). IIRC, they were simulating instruction sets or hardware with it? (I wonder: Power PC?) Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

25 years

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Z8000

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, Bill Pechter wrote: > The Z8000 included the Zilog (later Exxon Office Systems) Zeus office > automation Unix boxes... > > They were SystemIII and used by the US Government's Internal Revenue > Service through 1993 or so. > > They later adopted Pyramid multiprocessor RISC boxes. I had one of those for a while, about ten years ago. A Model 41, the big one. I really, REALLY liked that machine. It was quite respectably zippy, but had no networking capability whatsoever. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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SunOS (er... Solaris)

by pjschilling＠gcstech.net

I was pretty sure of that but didn't want any trouble caused for the group. Thanks Bill Phil -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Bill Bradford Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 4:18 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: SunOS (er... Solaris) On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:37:29PM -0500, Phil Schilling wrote: > I have the sparc/intel cd that I purchased, can I legally make iso for you? > mrbill could probably answer for us. Yeah - the "hobbyist/non-commercial" license covers all versions of Solaris. Basically, as long as its less than 8 CPUs, and not being used for a commercial purpose, you can copy Solaris for your buddies. Bill (http://www.sunhelp.org) -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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My other computer is a Cray!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, Will Jennings wrote: > No, Apple Network Servers run AIX... They're from the days when IBM, > Motorola, and Apple worked so closely on the PowerPC that the Apple Network > Servers really did run AIX... Oh, neat! I never knew that. > Anyways, the front ends for Cray's, at least > in the 80's, were VAXen, DEC had a deal with Cray to sell VAXen specifically > as Cray front-ends. I gave all my Systems and Options catalogs away, but > some of them did have the VAX front-end systems in them... Are we talking about front-ends, or console processors? Earlier, Heinz made mention of the SPARC5 doing NFS...that's the console processor of a J90. Earlier Crays run as attached processors with front-end computers. The job runs on the front-end and it ships data to and from the backend at high speed as needed...users didn't "log into" the Cray directly. Today's Crays (and indeed going back about fifteen years or so) run Unicos (a Unix variant) which is a direct-login system...so there's no "front-end" in the old sense of the word. They do, however, use console processors...in the case of the J90, it's an unmodified Sun SPARC5 computer running Solaris (usually 2.4) which handles console operations. It communicates with another SPARC5...a VME64 board in the IOS card cage that netboots a special chunk of code (i.e. not SunOS or Solaris) that handles diags, initialization, booting, and runtime I/O for the Cray processor(s). Most Crays can have multiples of these systems, called IOSs. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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My other computer is a Cray!

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

No, Apple Network Servers run AIX... They're from the days when IBM, Motorola, and Apple worked so closely on the PowerPC that the Apple Network Servers really did run AIX... Anyways, the front ends for Cray's, at least in the 80's, were VAXen, DEC had a deal with Cray to sell VAXen specifically as Cray front-ends. I gave all my Systems and Options catalogs away, but some of them did have the VAX front-end systems in them... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

25 years

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CRAY EL-98

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, Merle K. Peirce wrote: > We just rescued a Cray J90 from the Washington, DC area. A Vicom came > along with it. I'm quite shocked that I didn't hear about this machine. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

25 years

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Datasystems Design Board + RX33 floppies

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

> Sergio, Hi again ! > I have a similar DSD board and drive, the drives are seen as 2 RX02's. > You need the box with the drives as well, as it also contains some > logic. I > am not > aware of any possebility that an original RX02 will work with the DSD > interface or > will RX33 ones do. :-( Is there anybody out there (mainly in Europe) that could send or purchase me one of this DSD monsters ? Thanks, Ed. Sergio

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DILOG DQ-614

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

> Sergio, Hello ! > You can have up to 4 drives per controller, and up to 2 > controllers per > system. Ok. This is good. > BTW, RD5x drives are usually seen as DU devices, not as DL ones. Mmmm... This board treats one Mfm Hard Disk attached to it like up to four DL drives, from DL0 to DL3. The drive must be partitioned with one partition by drive emulated. That is what can be deducted reading the (poor) info that could be located in the Internet. We speak about one RD52. I suppose it could be divided in three DLx emulated drives. Thanks for the answer, Ed. Sergio

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Length of Cables for ESDI Hard Disk Drives

by jhfine＠idirect.com

I have had a problem with some of my ESDI disk drives for a number of years which may have a very simple solution. When I use the drives in a BA123 box with an 11/73, the system functions correctly while I am using 7 quad boards or less. Whenever I add the extra boards, the READ operations on the Hitachi ESDI DK515-78 disk drives (Sigma RQD11-EC quad ESDI controller) take about twice as long. The WRITE operations are still just as fast. I have been looking at the problem again recently and while it has not yet been resolved, I now begin to suspect that the cables between the RQD11-EC controller and the drives may be too long. Just a guess is that the total length of the 34-pin cable is six feet (with the first portion to the first header being four feet and three more pieces of eight inches making a total of six feet to the last header) and the 20-pin cables (there are four with three currently in use) are about four feet each. In addition, the three ESDI drives currently in use run off their own PC power supply (in fact it is the actual power supply that came with the drives within a large raid set-up to be used with a VAX). I also salvaged the fans inside the box and each drive has its own fan. Normally, I only turn on one ESDI drive when the other ESDI drives are not being used for backup purposes. In addition, I have installed a heavy ground cable between the PC power supply and the BA123 box. In case anyone asks, the last drive on the 34-pin cable is correctly terminated and the other drives are not terminated. Since everything runs VERY well in the BA123 with the DK515-78 drives while I use seven or less quad boards, I have not tried to investigate much until recently since the extra boards are used so rarely it has not been a problem 99% of the time. And the fact that everything works so well has not led me to suspect the length of the 34-pin/20-pin cables. Does anyone have any suggested maximum cable lengths? Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine

25 years

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SunOS (er... Solaris)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 3, 14:28, Zane H. Healy wrote: > Pete wrote: > > Is Solaris 7 still available anywhere? My CDs seem to have gone walkabout, > > and it doesn't seem to be online anymore. > I don't believe Solaris 7 was ever available online, there was the $20 > hobbyist kit, which is kind of lame. Maybe it was 2.6 that was online, then? I don't remember; I did get what I think you're referring to as the hobbyist kit, though it didn't cost me $20 (it was a slightly different deal in the UK). I don't remember the details, but wasn't one version available for a short while to academic users (University staff) in source form? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

25 years

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VAX 11/785 as a workstation :-)

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Last night I was browsing the UNIBUS/PDP-11 field guide on the Web before I went to sleep. Then I dreamed of a VAX 11/785 with an UNIBUS extension cabinet full of cards. Included was a 3, 4, 5, or so card-set that together comprises a video interface. Hook up a composite monitor or RGB monitor and there you have it: A VAX 11/785 as a workstation! Write a driver for X11R6 for it and off we go. Has anybody ever seen those UNIBUS video monitor adapter sets? I suppose they were meant for PDP-11s, but I think running them with a VAX would be way cooler. Might not be possible, and certainly would involve some serious fiddling. But in a machine that has 10 or more cards for just the CPU, a 4 board video adapter would be the appropriate thing, wouldn't it? :-) cheers, -Gunther

25 years

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SunOS (er... Solaris)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 3, 12:30, Chris Kennedy wrote: > Um, I've got a bunch of old 2.7 media. Let me know what > architecture you need and I'll either stuff the ISOs somewhere > for you to fetch or simply burn copies and ship them off to you. > -----Original Message----- > Is Solaris 7 still available anywhere? My CDs seem to have gone walkabout, > and it doesn't seem to be online anymore. > -- > Pete Peter Turnbull Thanks very much, Chris. I'll email you privately to work out the best way to do this. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

25 years

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SunOS (er... Solaris)

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Is Solaris 7 still available anywhere? My CDs seem to have gone walkabout, > and it doesn't seem to be online anymore. > > Pete Peter Turnbull I don't believe Solaris 7 was ever available online, there was the $20 hobbyist kit, which is kind of lame. Your best bet would probably be eBay, BUT, I assume that's not really an option in your case. Zane

25 years

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My other computer is a Cray!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, Francis. Javier Mesa wrote: > from Cupertino? The machine was bought in the 80s (before Jobs left > obviously) thus again it can not be an EL, since that line was introduced > in the early nineties I seem to remember. I wonder if Apple still have 1991. > their cray around, my friend told me that it was visible from the lobby of > one of the buildings.... jobs seemed to like it because it looked so cool A neighbor of mine worked for both Cray Research and Apple. He may know someone who can check. I will ask him. > think Jobs has ever produced an ugly computer..... although he reached his > pinnacle with NeXT darn those were cool looking computers!) Hell, I think they're STILL cool looking computers! -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

25 years

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PDP-11/23 PLUS commercial instruction set (CIS)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 3, 8:30, Sergio Pedraja Cabo wrote: > > Hello. Anybody knows of somebody that could sell or obtain > the two CIS (commercial instruction set) chips > for one PDP-11/23 PLUS ? I have the Floating Point option installed > and I'd like to has this option too. In my experience, they're relatively rare. I've been actively looking for a set for ages, and the last "spare" set I came across was about six years ago -- and someone beat me to it :-( -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

25 years

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My other computer is a Cray!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

I realize I'm slicing and dicing an article here, and I feel silly for doing that, but what the hell. I have a couple of comments. :) On August 3, Heinz Wolter wrote: > in a sidebar. ( prob this should be Cray-2 ED). The G4 is being touted as a > "Supercomputer for the desktop" and with the performance figures of a > Gigaflop/s (1 CPU) it is certainly up to at least 1992 supercomputer cpu ...but the vector length is so short that there's no way to sustain that for more than a few cycles. When configured for data types of a width comparable to Crays native 64-bit single precision, the vector depth is a whopping TWO elements. As much as I like the G4, dem's the facts. And if I see ONE MORE IDIOT on eBay advertising some slow-ass Dell Pentium crap as a "supercomputer" I'm going to hop on a plane and open up a can of 100% pure Whup Ass on the moron. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

25 years

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Ebay madness

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, wanderer wrote: > Obviously a prank of some sort, and there even no pictures. > Besides that, anybody who is ready to lay down such an amount of > money should rather spend it at a mental clinic. ...or perhaps be directed to some of MY auctions. 8-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

25 years

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SunOS (er... Solaris)

by pjschilling＠gcstech.net

I have the sparc/intel cd that I purchased, can I legally make iso for you? mrbill could probably answer for us. Phil Schilling GCS Tech -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Pete Turnbull Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 2:09 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: SunOS (er... Solaris) On Aug 3, 13:05, Bill Pechter wrote: > If you can get Solaris8 to run on a Sparc2 let me know 8-). > Unfortunately their non-commercial license for Solaris 7 doesn't > cover use in anything other than Non Commerical stuff and their > license for Solaris 8 (which I own) won't run on any Sparc's I have. Is Solaris 7 still available anywhere? My CDs seem to have gone walkabout, and it doesn't seem to be online anymore. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

25 years

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Newsweek mentions VCFe and Sellam

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> on 8/2/01 9:07 AM, Douglas Quebbeman at dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com > wrote: > > In December 1983, I took a recent issue of some PC magazine > > into a Radio Shack, and showed them the Radio Shack ad with > > a picture of Windows 1.0 (or 0.75?) running on a Tandy 2000. > > I said this is what I want. They said we have the computer > > but we've never seen or heard of Windows. What's that? > > Windows 1 required a special driver disk, which had drivers for both the > digital mouse and the Model 2000's hires graphics adapter, to run on the > Model 2000. It is the only version of Windows that will run on the machine. > If anyone happens to have that driver disk though, which carried Tandy part# > 7002611, I'd be interested in obtaining a copy. To the best of my knowledge > the driver disk was provided seperately. Ok, count me in for one if they become available, I've got a 2000 too! -dq

25 years

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Ebay madness

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

He won't even get a bid. And if it did get a bid I guarantee you it would a fraudulent one. However, there is apparently an insurance scam that auction houses have to deal with apparently where a person sells something at auction to a shill (fake bidder) for some outrageous amount of money, then ships or somehow "loses" the item and collects the fully insured value. (less deductible of course). Some more interesting Ebay madness is that some nice VAX systems are going quite cheaply. There is a 4000/300 on Ebay for less than $20, the CPU alone is worth that, and if it has memory too... A 4000/200 in the nice BA215 case sold recently for $60. So you see the market works as you would expect, these things come out of the woodwork and the prices on ebay reflect the increased availability. --Chuck At 02:40 PM 8/3/01 -0500, you wrote: >Is it just me? What are the odds this guy gets it? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260881309

25 years

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PDP-11/23 PLUS commercial instruction set (CIS)

by spedraja＠ono.com

>On Aug 3, 8:30, Sergio Pedraja Cabo wrote: >> >> Hello. Anybody knows of somebody that could sell or obtain >> the two CIS (commercial instruction set) chips >> for one PDP-11/23 PLUS ? I have the Floating Point option installed >> and I'd like to has this option too. > >In my experience, they're relatively rare. I've been actively looking for >a set for ages, and the last "spare" set I came across was about six years >ago :-o > -- and someone beat me to it :-( Really :-( Thanks for the drink. I'll continue my search. Greetings and Best Regards from Spain. Sergio

25 years

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SunOS (er... Solaris)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 3, 13:05, Bill Pechter wrote: > If you can get Solaris8 to run on a Sparc2 let me know 8-). > Unfortunately their non-commercial license for Solaris 7 doesn't > cover use in anything other than Non Commerical stuff and their > license for Solaris 8 (which I own) won't run on any Sparc's I have. Is Solaris 7 still available anywhere? My CDs seem to have gone walkabout, and it doesn't seem to be online anymore. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

25 years

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My other computer is a Cray!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, Heinz Wolter wrote: > Anybody see the Cray YMP-EL on ebay today? > The folklore goes that Woz walked into Cray's building and just asked > to buy a Cray. Much later Seymour was heard to comment that he > thought it was funny Apple used a Cray to design a Mac, since he > himself used a Mac to design the next generation Crays... > > In the end, Apple didn't have a real use for the Cray, other than a nice > ornament, though some say it may have been bought and used to simulate > and design production tooling for some Apple products... One of the photos in the Y/MP-EL sales literature is a simulation of plastic distribution in an injection molding system. The molding is clearly a front case component for an early Mac. > Still, if it is ~that~ - machine - it would be quite a piece of history to > own... Indeed. > There was a T-shirt that sold on ebay recently that says: > "My other computer is a Cray"..;) Strangely enough, Apple did have > some deal with Cray to offer Macs as front ends to Crays... Yes, I've always wanted one of those. :) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

25 years

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SunOS

by schvin＠schvin.net

Hello all, I've tried checking ebay every once in awhile for SunOS media, and the best I've found is the occasional box of documentation or whatever, but no media. I was not blessed with my very own unix machines until after Solaris had come to be popular, but I'd like very much to put SunOS on some of my sparcs now, just for grins. Does anyone know where one could pick up some SunOS media? I'm kind of hoping that there is a school or corporation that has a bunch sitting in a cabinet, or am I just pushing my luck, and most likely they've been tossed by unknowing or uncaring personnel? Or does one just have to get lucky and find someone with an extra set lying around? Thanks! George -- http://schvin.net/

25 years

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another DECServer question ...

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Ok, so my DECServer has to boot its image rather than run it from flash. Not a problem, however when the system reboots it loses all of its configuration information as far as I can tell. Is this normal? Is there no NVRAM inside or perhaps I've got a dead battery somewhere? Alternatively, is there some way to "upload" the configured image such that I could boot _that_ and thus be preconfigured? --Chuck

25 years

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SunOS (er... Solaris)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 3, 18:13, George Lewis wrote: > I have not tried solaris 8 on a non-ultra machine, but may have to > just to try it out. I do know that 2.6 works on my ss2s. > > A friend of mine does have solaris 8 running on a 10, but that's > probably not terribly relevant. Sun dropped support for the Sun4c architecture after Solaris 7. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

25 years

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Wanted: Old issues of DEC Professional

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I ran across a Jan. '84 issue of DEC Professional in the last box of docs-and-such I got in; anybody got other back issues of this magazine they'd be willing to part with? Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

25 years

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another DECServer question ...

by dittman＠dittman.net

> Ok, so my DECServer has to boot its image rather than run it from flash. > Not a problem, however when the system reboots it loses all of its > configuration information as far as I can tell. Is this normal? Is there no > NVRAM inside or perhaps I've got a dead battery somewhere? Alternatively, > is there some way to "upload" the configured image such that I could boot > _that_ and thus be preconfigured? The configuration information should be saved. Are you using change, define, or set? If you you set, only the volatile configuration is changed. define changes only the permanent configuration, and change changes both. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

25 years

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Personal Computer World magazine: RML 380Z

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Hans B Pufal wrote: > >I tried to get PCW interetsed in getting the collection scanned and on >line but had no luck. Perhaps it's time to ask again, just their OK to >put up scans more than, say, 10 years old would be helpful. At least they now make their magazine available on CD-ROM (both for subscribers and just straight purchase even if you do no subscribe). I think adverts and so on are omitted (apparently copyright usually rests with the advertiser), but all the articles seem to be present. No use now, but scanning wil be unnecessary 10 years from now :-) Antonio

25 years

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CTM-70 info

by Martin.Kaeser＠auge.de

Hello all, i located a CTM-70 desk size computer and need some more information. Here is what i have (correction welcome): CTM is probably short for "Computertechnik M?ller", located in southern Germany in the early 1970s. Mr M?ller produced one or two dozends of his computers, then CTM went out of business. He went on to design the hyperstone processor. The hyperstone company promised to take a look at their archive, but i did not get any response after this first one. The machine is built into a desk, complete with keyboard, monitor, printer and three 8" drives. There is no documentation on the machine, the only software is costum made. I am looking for information on the hardware, the operating system (if any), and pinouts of the keyboard, printer and monitor connectors. Thanks, Martin K?ser

25 years

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cleaning qbus enclosures

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got a stack of 11/03 / 11/23 qbus enclosures on my workbench out in my garage, and I've *never* seen hardware so *dirty* - this has a good 10-15 years worth of dust and dirt on it. Any suggestions/tips for cleaning and reassembling older equipment? Is there a FAQ anywhere? I know Dave M. mentioned using some kind of alcohol to clean backplane slots on his -8E... (I know, first rule: "document where everything goes") Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

25 years

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Foonly

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

"TRON" is also "Trace On" in MS-BASIC. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Pechter [mailto:pechter@bg-tc-ppp1516.monmouth.com] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:13 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Foonly > > All this talk makes me wonder (and I know this question has been answered > > before, but I have forgotten): what equipment did they use to do the > > computer graphics in movie Tron? > > The "Flooney F1" which was a PDP-10 clone. TRON is apparently a PDP-10 > opcode. What I can't remember is what OS they used. > > Zane Foonly F1... I believe they ran a Tops-10 varient. Bill --- Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain in a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.dyndns.org

25 years

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Chevy Vega Re: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

OT: When I was a kid, we used to have a 30' Wellcraft Scarab Offshore boat. Not only was it one of the first to have big blocks (Chevy 454's), we had 6-71's on them. This was back in the late 70's early 80's, when the professional offshore racers where CID limited, normally aspirated. Once a year they'd come to Lake St. Clair in MI for a race. They'd be all decked out in their flack jacket/life vests, full-face helmuts, and we'd BLOW past them with our stereo blasting, girls sittin' on the back in bikini's. Boy did THAT pi$$ them off! Gary > DQ wrote: > > [Memory lane, snipped] > > Thanks for that ;-) > > > I still get chills when I hear the blower on the 327 on Mad Max's > > car in the first movie... didn't that have an Edelbrock manifold? > > I remember thinking that it looked like it had a 6-71 on it, and > Edelbrock certainly makes (or at least made) manifolds for > suck-through > applications of the 6-71. However I also remember the blower being > clutched, which made little sense -- unless it was a blow-through > application with some sort of bypass for when the blower was shut > down. > > Whatever. It had that nice 6-71 whine, which is what > _really_ matters :-)

25 years

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Personal Computer World magazine: RML 380Z

by marino13＠btinternet.com

Would be great if you could make that available to all of us. By the way, does anyone have any other stuff from old mags scanned and uploaded anywhere on teh web? I'm very interested in getting as much as I can, and also if anyone has any spare mags for sale I collect these too! Shaun > Paul Williams wrote: > > > Does anyone have Vol. 1, No. 2 of this magazine, dated June 1978? They > > reviewed the 380Z in that issue. I know this because No. 6 includes the > > following update, partially quoted here for the benefit of the other > > 380Z owners on this list: > > Yes I have the complete run from first issue till sometime in the late > 80's when the magazine became boring like all the others. > > I will dig out the article and scan it for you. > > Regards, > > -- HBP

25 years

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PDP-11/23 PLUS commercial instruction set (CIS)

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

> My general reaction, is good luck! Your best bet at this point in > timewill be to track down /23+ boards with both the CIS and FP > installed (which > probably won't be easy). However, do you really need CIS? From > what I've > seen it falls more in the interesting to have, rather than the > need to > have, unless you've some sort of business need for it. My interest is about do some probes with COBOL and another compiler(s) that could take advantage of this option, checking the differences in speed and reliability with and without the CIS. Greetings Sergio

25 years

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Datasystems Design Board + RX33 floppies

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

Hello. Well, I think the title says all about this message. I have one Datasystems Design Board with one 26 (minus 1) pins. It appears to have attached in the past one DSD440 or 880 unit. I have no one of these actually, only one double DEC RX33 diskette unit. The questions are: * Can I use this board with this diskette units ? * What cables (or additional devices) I need ? * How do the system recognize the diskette units (RX01, 02...) ? I'll agree any information about these matters, thanks. Greetings and best Regards from Spain Sergio

25 years

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DILOG DQ-614

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

I've send some requests to more places and providers. You can be sure that I tell you the info when I have it. In fact, I'm interested not only cause of the RD52. I have in mind try to connect TWO hard disks. I think that could be possible to put two partitions (DL0 and DL1, by example) in the first disk, and DL3 and DL4 in the second. Mmmm... this takes me to ask another question: How much DL units (that is, RL0x devices) could be defined in one PDP-11/23 PLUS system (my personal object of study) ? This ask has a practical meaning: My system could has in a near future installed one DILOG DQ614 and one RL02 controller with one RL02 disk unit attached. And I has six RL02 cartridges that I like to use. Greetings and Best Regards from Spain Sergio ----- Mensaje Original ----- Remitente: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> Fecha: Viernes, Agosto 3, 2001 3:10 am Asunto: Re: DILOG DQ-614 > > --- SP <spedraja(a)ono.com> wrote: > > Hello. I have one question to somebody that managed > > one DILOG DQ-614 in sometime. I've read the instructions > > of the DQ696 and the proceddings to access the ROM > > menu of this board appears to be applicable to the DQ614; > > that is, when I type: > > > > @7775000G > > > > ... in the ODT prompt of one PDP-11/23 PLUS, appears > > inmediately the '*' prompt. > > > > But, when I type 'FT', the prompt simply appears again. > > No menu. Nothing. If you send a break to the system, > > it makes appear again the @ prompt of the ODT. > > > > My interest about this is in access this phantom menu to > > be capable of partitioning and formating one RD52 Hard Disk > > that is connected to the board. > > I would love to hear more about this! I have had a DQ-614 for > over 10 years and have never been able to use it. Recently, > someone has posted the jumper settings on a web page, but I have > not managed to get the formatting software from anywhere. > > I had no idea there might be a hidden formatting menu. > > More! More! > > -ethan > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! > Messengerhttp://phonecard.yahoo.com/ >

25 years

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UC04 scsi board on one PDP/11 23 PLUS

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

Hello again ! This is my final question about the boards that I have installed actually in the PDP/11 23 PLUS. Is one Emulex UC04, with one SCSI interface of 50 pin. I'd like to put it to work. Anybody knows where could be obtained information about this board ? Do somebody has aby practical experience putting it to work in one system like mine or similar ? Is there some special requeriment about disks to use ? I'll agree any info about this matter, thanks. Greetings and Best Regards from Spain. Sergio

25 years

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OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

>Sure, but by 1976 the fastest production car being sold was a Lotus Europa >John Player Special with if my memory isn't too defective had 118 HP from a >1.6L engine. Zero to 60 MPH was a modest mid 6 second time, but I think it >was just enough to edge out Z-28, which had lots more power, but twice the weight. The Z-28 went out of production in the very early 70's and was not reintroduced until the 1978 model. So, there was no Z-28 in 1976. I'm not sure but, I'd assume the corvette was the fastest Detroit built car at that time. I had previously owned a 69 Z-28 and when I heard that Chevy was going to bring out a new one (78), I immediately ran to the dealership and ordered one. I paid the whopping sum of $6200 for it. It was a decent car but, the performance pales in comparision to the earlier ones. I don't recall the numbers but the '78 probably had < 200 HP. I just bought a new truck and It's got more HP than the '78 did. IIRC, the '69 was around 325 HP. SteveRob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

25 years

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VAX 11/785 as a workstation :-)

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Last night I was browsing the UNIBUS/PDP-11 field guide on the > Web before I went to sleep. Then I dreamed of a VAX 11/785 with > an UNIBUS extension cabinet full of cards. Included was a 3, 4, > 5, or so card-set that together comprises a video interface. Hook > up a composite monitor or RGB monitor and there you have it: > > A VAX 11/785 as a workstation! > > Write a driver for X11R6 for it and off we go. Has anybody ever > seen those UNIBUS video monitor adapter sets? I suppose they > were meant for PDP-11s, but I think running them with a VAX > would be way cooler. Might not be possible, and certainly would > involve some serious fiddling. But in a machine that has 10 or > more cards for just the CPU, a 4 board video adapter would be > the appropriate thing, wouldn't it? :-) Read up on the VS100. It hooks up the the VAX 11/78x via a fiberoptic cable. IIRC, this was the original development platform for X11. Warning, there seems to be very little info available on the VS100. Zane

25 years

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cleaning qbus enclosures

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 2, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote: > Would a hair dryer work, or would I need some heavy duty source of > high-velocity air? Also, would one need to pull all the chips, clean them > separately, and then reseat them once the board was dry? > > What about boards with core on them? I wouldn't get core wet...nor would I hit it with an air compressor. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

25 years

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FS: SCSI Scanner

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Does anyone in the S.F. Bay area need or want a UMAX 600DPI/30bit color/flat bed/SCSI interface scanner? Comes with scanner, software (PC Win 3.1/Win 95/Win NT), cables, terminator, and SCSI card (ISA). This was my scanner of choice until I upgraded to a USB based scanner. I can make you a good deal ($10 and its all yours, bwa-hahaha) or come by Saturday to our garage sale and bargain us down :-) --Chuck

25 years

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cleaning qbus enclosures

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 2, Bill Bradford wrote: > > On boards that don't have to many nooks and crannies stick them in the > > dish washer, but without soap, or very very little. The soap tends to > > corrode bare metal. I then hang on to them securely and fling the water > > off, as best I can, then stick them in front of a fan. If you have an > > air compressor you can stick all board in the dishwasher, and then blow > > them off. > > Did you just tell me to put CIRCUIT BOARDS in the *DISHWASHER*? Or > do I still have a fever and am delirious.. ? I've never been able to bring myself to do that myself, but I know of several people who swear by that method. One issue with that much water is stickers...most sticker solvents won't last through that sort of beating. > I've always thought that water was the mortal enemy of anything electronic, > at least while power was applied. 8-) On the table on the other side of this room I have a Sun monitor that I got from a surplus house for free. It had been sitting outside fully exposed to the weather for upwards of six months. I've had it for nearly five years; it's still going strong! Contrary to popular belief, water itself is a near-perfect insulator. It's the crap dissolved in, and the particulate matter carried by, said water that causes problems with electronics. If you can find Freon TF, fill a dish pan with an inch or so of it and dunk the boards. It will get the dust out of those hard-to-reach places. And it's also great with vodka. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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DILOG DQ-614

by spedraja＠ono.com

Hello. I have one question to somebody that managed one DILOG DQ-614 in sometime. I've read the instructions of the DQ696 and the proceddings to access the ROM menu of this board appears to be applicable to the DQ614; that is, when I type: @7775000G ... in the ODT prompt of one PDP-11/23 PLUS, appears inmediately the '*' prompt. But, when I type 'FT', the prompt simply appears again. No menu. Nothing. If you send a break to the system, it makes appear again the @ prompt of the ODT. My interest about this is in access this phantom menu to be capable of partitioning and formating one RD52 Hard Disk that is connected to the board. Somebody know something about this matter ? Thanks Sergio

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Data General Nova memory boards

by rnlion＠its.caltech.edu

In the daily dumpster rounds today, I ran across a pair of large boards, about 15" square, each labeled "DGC Nova2 16K memory, (c)1973 by Data General Corp". They're designed to plug into a backplane with a pair of cardedge connectors, 100 pins each. (This is, I'm sure, a well-known bus, but not well-known to me. :-) ) The two boards are essentially identical, I think; the layout looks the same but one has a layer of green enamel over the traces and the other leaves them exposed. The center of the board is taken up by a slightly smaller board, about 10"x12", labeled "DGC Nova 16K memory stack". An aluminum panel unscrews to unfold from this board, revealing a large array of (I think) core memory -- correct me if I'm wrong on this. Whatever it is, a huge amount of incredibly tiny red and green wires woven together; quite beautiful in its way. The traces on the PCBs are quite pretty as well, artistically curving along their paths. Nothing at all like the autorouted boards you see today. Anyway, rambling aside, I don't really have any use for these boards. They both have pricetags on them saying $9.95, but I have no idea from when or where. So if anyone wants them for the price of shipping or wants to pick them up from Pasadena, CA, just let me know; I'll keep them around for a few weeks at least. Otherwise, maybe I'll (non-destructively) hang them on the wall. -Rob -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT/E d- s:- a--- C++(++++) ULS+ P+ L+ E- W++ N+(++) o K w+++ O- M- V- PS+(+++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP t- 5- X+ R- tv b++ DI++ D++ G++ e h+ r- y ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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[classic-cmp] Sharp MZ-80K Basic tape

by avickers＠solutionengineers.com

Hi, Does anyone have BASIC SP-5025 for the Sharp MZ-80K? If so, would you be willing to make a duplicate for me, or (if you've no longer got the machine) part with the original? I'd also be interested in any other hardware/software/manuals for this computer. Thanks in advance! Cheers! Ade. -- B-Racing: B where it's at :-) http://www.b-racing.co.uk

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Circuit protection (was: RE: Latest addition : PDP 11/70)

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 01:19 PM 8/1/01 -0700, you wrote: >> From what I understand, every conductor must be capable of carrying a >> current greater than the breaker that protects it. Otherwise, the cord >would >> be the first thing thing to fail in a overcurrent situation. This would >> present a very significant fire danger. > >In the context of building wiring, yes. Not in the context of appliance >wiring. 22GA zip cord, such as found on US lamps, isn't capable of >sustaining 20A@115V without heating -- and you can certainly plug a You have to look at it from the viewpoint of the load. For a receptacle, its wiring back to the box must be capable of handling the maximum load that can be plugged into it. For a lamp, or anything else plugged into a receptacle, the wiring must be capable of handling the device load. In the case of a lamp, 100W, 150W tops. You could get the right/wrong adapters and plug a table saw into the lamp socket, which would probably fry the zip cord if the saw could draw enough juice to start in the first place.

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cleaning qbus enclosures

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: John Allain <allain(a)panix.com> >Make sure any big Caps are discharged (actually, I'd avoid PSU's as >well), Otherwise, the materials used are all impermeable to water. at least HV SMPS! THose have enough high volts on the high side caps that discharge first is the rule. >Metal rust takes a few days in water to really begin and modern plastics >are waterproof, etc. Water does not cause rust for the most part, oxygen does! However if the water has any impurities or even soaps in it there is a risk of electrolisys (so, wash and dry quickly). >I wash in a tub of water to avoid the high temperature steam. >As for drying, I do a sort of toweling off, usually with paper towels, then >air dry for safety, 1~2 days. I put them in the dishwasher on the power saving setting (no reheater). I've done boards like MVII cpu, Qbus RAM, PDP-8f front pannel and most of the boards (not the core board, loose cores would be ripped off) I deemed too dircty for dusting. Success is assured as commercial cleaners for electronics assembly do that. Over the years (20+) Ive done this and it's a great way to degrunge the nastiest (esp cigarett smoke). It's a most do for any electronics that has had salt exposure (Salt eats metals!) as it tend to remain even after dried does become hydroscopic leading to long term problems. Key things: Not too hot. How hot it too hot? 200f (100c) or cooler is safe. most Semiconductors (transistors, diodes, ICs) will safely stand 150c (at the junction) so that is the way to hot point. once cleaned rinse well if any soaps were used. Isopropanal can be used to dry (dewater) but it must be 95% or better. Rubbing Alchohol is usually either 70% or 91% with the rest being... water! Dry as soon as possible and throughly. A 190F (87) oven works well or blow dry. If there are any moving parts, lubricate as required with the correct oil (or grease). Paper, temperature sensitive plastics and any suspect items like closed but not sealed items (relays, some switches) may need closer attention to insure they dont get wet. Oh yes, a note on dry brushes or vacuums... remember you may be generating static and even TTL can suffer long term damage from low level ESD. Allison

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investments.

by witchy＠vorbis.demon.co.uk

> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:07:12 +0200 > From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> > Subject: Re: Newsweek mentions VCFe and Sellam > > investment (*2). Now there come in the few systems where a price > may be obtained, reasonable higher than average: e.g. Chicklet > PET, Altair, SOL, IMSAI, etc. And these are the systems where > investment outside of the hobby scene may take place. As a In that case I'll consider myself extremely lucky that someone has donated a chiclet PET 2001-8 to the museum with software, schematics and manuals and all it hopefully needs is a few RAM chips swapping. I've also been offered 2 other 2001-8's, one in supposedly mint condition and another in not as good condition as the donated one, and both were round the ukp100 mark. Keep up the collecting, adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum 0:OK, 0:1

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??? Spare mechanical parts for IMSAI 8080 ???

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 8/2/01 12:02:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gessler(a)ucla.edu writes: > I just acquired the shell of an IMSAI 8080 and am looking for: > Red and Blue switch toggles. > Jim Willing has the Red and Blue toggles. You can contact him through his web site. <A HREF="http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw/">Jim's Computer Garage (museum)</A> Paxton Astoria, OR

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??? Spare mechanical parts for IMSAI 8080 ???

by gessler＠ucla.edu

I just acquired the shell of an IMSAI 8080 and am looking for: Red and Blue switch toggles. Front bezel. Aluminum cover. Can anyone suggest any sources? Thanks, Nick

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cleaning qbus enclosures

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 2, 10:09, Bill Bradford wrote: > Did you just tell me to put CIRCUIT BOARDS in the *DISHWASHER*? Or > do I still have a fever and am delirious.. ? That's a common method of cleaning boards. I've done it many times. How do you think they're cleaned commercially, when they're made? The only thing to watch for are paper labels (part numbers or QC stickers) stuck on the chips or PCB. > I've always thought that water was the mortal enemy of anything electronic, > at least while power was applied. 8-) So long as you remove all the water (and anything dissolved in it) before applying power, what's the problem? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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DRV11-WA question

by erice＠CAE.COM

Does anyone have any timing info for the DRV11-WA / DR11-W cards? I am working on a Microvax II to send and collect data from a serial link used in the CF-18 aircraft (The box is real, but it is sitting in the lab!). I am modifying the XADRIVER provided by DEC to customize to my needs. I am having a few problems however... The ATTN bit does not seem to latch in the CSR when I pulse the ATTN line. Further, if I pulse it withing a few microseconds of a transfer and the transfer was < 3 words long, I miss the interrupt. (The IE bit is always set) Further, if send several QIO calls via my application program, it seems that there is an awfully large gap between the transfers (250 us to 2 ms) , yet my system is basically sitting idle. I can't figure out if it's the OS holding up the IRPs or if there is a problem elsewhere... Help! Eric Everton Avionics Simulation Specialist Dept. 49 Eric.Everton(a)cae.com (450) 476-4484

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Chevy Vega Re: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I don't recall it. What is it and when did it come out? It's "Three carburetors", and I'm clueless as to who it's done by... however, the flip side of the single (45rpm) was "Smoke! Smoke! Smoke that Cigarette": Well, I'm a cat with a heart of gold, With the ways of a lover, I've been told, So laid back I couldn't even hurt a flee. But if me and certain character met, The that invented the cigarette I'd chew that man out to the third degree It's not like I don't dig that scene myself Like, I keep a carton on the shelf I smoke them Filter Kings, and I ain't dead yet. dah-dah-dah-dah-dha-dah-dah-dah (forgotten lyrics) dah-dah-dah-dah-dha-dah-dah-dah (forgotten lyrics) I just gotta have another cigarette! Chorus: Smoke! Smoke! Smoke That cigarette! <nasal tenor> Smoke! Smoke! Smoke until you smoke yourself to death! dah-dah-dah-dah-dha-dah-dah-dah (different forgotten lyrics) dah-dah-dah-dah-dha-dah-dah-dah (different forgotten lyrics) <nasal tenor> I said now Daddy Daddy smoke that cigarette! <insert another great walking saxomophone bridge here> -dq

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cleaning qbus enclosures

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

> > Did you just tell me to put CIRCUIT BOARDS in the *DISHWASHER*? Or > > do I still have a fever and am delirious.. ? > > I've never been able to bring myself to do that myself, but I know >of several people who swear by that method. > I usually dip the boards in a mild solution of "Simple Green", wash with a soft paint brush, then rinse with warm water. Just stand 'em on edge to drain or blow-dry with a hair dryer. They come out looking like new and seem to work just fine. I found a TRS MODEL 16 that had been in a chicken coop for 5 or 6 years. Let me tell ya, that sucker was nasty. Sprayed it down with the solution, rinsed with a garden hose, plugged it in. Works just fine and it has a clean "Citrus" smell to it. NOTE: I did have to relube the moving parts in the floppies but, that's all. SteveRob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Computer Disposal

by headcase＠eclipse.co.uk

Just to advise that I am at last starting to dispose of my computers on eBay. See:- http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1261199368 The rest will follow shortly Jim Bunting

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BA23 expansion chassis for free, Tucson AZ

by zaft＠azstarnet.com

I have a DEC BA23 expansion chassis available to anyone who wants it. It has an 8-slot QBus backplane and power supply. I believe it to be working. To use it you'd need whatever cards were used to hook it to another backplane since I don't have those. It's one of the ones that doesn't have its own power switch, it powers up when you power up the main unit I believe. Oh, and it was rack-mounted. If anyone wants it I'll even deliver it anywhere in AZ (if you're patient). If you are really patient I could take it to southern CA next time I go that way. Gordon Zaft

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Chevy Vega Re: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >You do have an option today. Buy a nice looking car and put an Edelbrock > >engine, four-barrel, intakes, etc. in it. > > Four barrel ???? That would be a step backwards. I'm currently > running 3x 2 barrels on an Edelbrock designed intake. (original 1970 Dodge > Challanger RT convertible with 440 six-pack) Anyone here old enough to remember this: Well, I stepped off the pavement into my cut-down-short... Cat in the next lane, says, "Man, you look like a real sport." He said "when that light turns green, I'm gonna dig out ahead of you." Well, I answered him back, like about the, only way I could... <- wrong lyric .......vvvvvVVVVVVRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!! I got three carburetors.... ...twin pipes... I got three carburetors.... ...milled heads... I got three carburetors and no-body's passin' me... <insert walking saxomophone bridge> So, I pulled up to the stoplight, just my baby and me. Same cat pulled upside, he was GREEN with N-V. He said "man, what you got under that crazy, fat hood" Well, I answered him back, like about the, only way I could... .......vvvvvVVVVVVRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!! ... Well, I wheeled off of the highway, and down under the underpass, when all of a sudden, I was like Ooo, out of gas! dah-dah-dah-dah-dom-dom dom-dom "Well, man, what happened?" dom-dom "I don't know, I can't dig this scene, something's gotta give" dom-dom "Well, fella, I dig on your predicment. You got ...three carburetors.... ...twin pipes... I got three carburetors.... ...milled heads... I got three carburetors and no-body's passin' me... > Gas mileage? What's that? Actually it's not too bad. I get > about 15-16 MPG on the highway. But you should see what the gas gauge does > when I put my foot to it and the second and third of carbs kick in! I still get chills when I hear the blower on the 327 on Mad Max's car in the first movie... didn't that have an Edelbrock manifold? -dq

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Newsweek mentions VCFe and Sellam

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >: Re: Newsweek mentions VCFe and Sellam > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/606595.asp?0nw=n18#hobby > > Hey. Very Nice, and well deserved I should add. > > The quiz asks "When was Windows first announced" > the missing punch-line is When was it delivered? Wasn't > this one of the most aggregious examples of vaporware, > where the product didn't ship for -Years-? In December 1983, I took a recent issue of some PC magazine into a Radio Shack, and showed them the Radio Shack ad with a picture of Windows 1.0 (or 0.75?) running on a Tandy 2000. I said this is what I want. They said we have the computer but we've never seen or heard of Windows. What's that? I do recall when I finally got a copy to play with, late '86 or early '87, but ISTR that Windows 2.0 shipped in '87. -dq

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Altair32 Update

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I've reached a major milestone in this project. The telnet console emulation code works, courtesy of my telnet guru Theo Pozzi. Right now, I'm using a small 8080 echo program (written by Theo) to read a character from telnet and echo it back out. Terminal output proves that it works. Whoo, hoo! Now, I'm going to work on getting Altair 4k BASIC running. I might have to do some tinkering to get the LOAD and SAVE functions working properly, but that should be a snap. Now the fun begins. I'll post the new code shortly. Rich

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Chevy Vega Re: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> DQ wrote: > > [Memory lane, snipped] > > Thanks for that ;-) > > > I still get chills when I hear the blower on the 327 on Mad Max's > > car in the first movie... didn't that have an Edelbrock manifold? > > I remember thinking that it looked like it had a 6-71 on it, and > Edelbrock certainly makes (or at least made) manifolds for suck-through > applications of the 6-71. However I also remember the blower being > clutched, which made little sense -- unless it was a blow-through > application with some sort of bypass for when the blower was shut > down. > > Whatever. It had that nice 6-71 whine, which is what _really_ matters :-) Brrr..! :-)

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OT justice (flamebait) and cars

by mtapley＠swri.edu

OOooopsie. Guess we would have had to issue a formal posthumous apology. But it was an honest mistake, Dick, it sure *sounded* like an unprompted admission of guilt. The important thing, though, is it would serve as a strong disincentive to future illegal dumpster-divers. :-) >From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> > >...What's lying in the alley NEXT TO the dumpster because you or someone else >failed to put it in the dumpster is another matter. It is, after all, in the >public right-of-way.... > >Dick > >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.com> > >> On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote: >> >> > No, though I've put a few in there. I have gotten some pretty good bridge >> > controllers, etc, from the dumpster's overflow. >> >> GUILTY!!! >> >> Send him to the molten iron vat! OB cars: 68 Plymouth Sport Suburban (think Fury III wagon). 5.2L (318 cu. in.). 100 mph on 280, in Sunnyvale. Not smart, but got away with it. 120 mph on 290 west of Dripping Springs, Texas. Got away with that too, of course. (Wups! Molten iron vat, here I come.) 220,000 mi, same engine but one rebuild. I'll take on *any* of you guys in a passenger-miles per hour contest - I have seat belts for 8 and have put 11 in the car at one time. Wife's car is a 2000 Dodge Sport Caravan. 3.3L, will burn E85 ethanol but they don't *&$& sell it in Texas! Sigh. Yes it has the spoiler on the back end, and no it's not useless - it provides some shade for the back window. Sigh. 1.5 years old, only been in the shop for recommended oil changes. One of the stereo speakers is out, but that's the only problem so far. I'll be good - next post will be about computers. I promise. - Mark

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Whats you oldest computer

by rachael_＠gmx.net

on 01-Aug-01 15:27:10, Iggy Drougge wrote: >Isn't Regnecentralen still in business? Or am I thinking about another line >of Danish computers? I think they went bankrupt and some parts of it got restructured, its now a software only firm. You might be thinking of superMax machines ? They are still in business, atleast they seems to support those unix machines. Regards Jacob Dahl Pind -- CBM, Amiga,Vintage hardware collector Email: Rachael_(a)gmx.net url: http://rachael.dyndns.org

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cleaning qbus enclosures

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 2, Bill Bradford wrote: > I've got a stack of 11/03 / 11/23 qbus enclosures on my workbench > out in my garage, and I've *never* seen hardware so *dirty* - this > has a good 10-15 years worth of dust and dirt on it. > > Any suggestions/tips for cleaning and reassembling older equipment? > Is there a FAQ anywhere? I know Dave M. mentioned using some kind of > alcohol to clean backplane slots on his -8E... I had to use alcohol to dissolve the goo that 30-year-old insulative foam turns into when touched. You likely won't need that for Qbus stuff. For the first step I would suggest compressed air. Then use a clean paint brush (I have one that I keep around just for dusting things off). On the metal and plastic surfaces I tend to use glass cleaner. Some people look at me funny when I do that, but it works very well. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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DEC VT180 (Robin)

by dbetz＠xlisper.mv.com

I just picked up a DEC VT180 that seems to work except that it came with no software. Does anyone know where I can get a CP/M boot disk for it and/or the diagnostic disk? Thanks, David Betz dbetz(a)xlisper.mv.com

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PDP 11/34

by KenzieM＠sympatico.ca

Well I just picked up a car load of stuff. Manuals, disks and paper tapes, a VT100 terminal and 2 8" floppy drives. I left 4 RL05 drives, 2 racks and card cages behind for another trip. The 2 racks are not quite the same size but I didn't think that they'd tie to the roof of the Toyota. So I'll get a mover to haul the rest. In one of the boxes was what looks like a pair of electric pencils? Anyone in the Ottawa area interested in helping assemble these? How much of this do I need to get the system working, ie. can I put the a card cage and a drive in a smaller rack that will fit in the basement?

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old computers

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here's someone with what sound like first revision IBM PCs. Contact him directly. Reply-to: <geo(a)jdm.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 17:17:36 -0700 From: GEO <geo(a)jdm.com> Reply-To: geomelissa(a)hotmail.com Subject: old computers Hi, A quick question. I am in New York City. I have a couple of early IBM PC's. 64k Motherboard, etc. I can not store these any longer. Is there any one you know who might want them? I also have a bunch of 286 stuff, and some oddball hardware that no one has ever heard of anymore. I have a 5 megabyte syquest removable drive, for example. Thanks in advance, GEO --- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Chevy Vega Re: Cheap cars (was: 1%...), and increasingly OT

by technos＠nerdland.org

> > Do emissions laws allow this for newer car bodies? If one buys a > > 1990 > > Lincoln and stuffs a heavily modified 460 engine and C6 > > transmission, > > pulled out of a 1972 vehicle, into it, is it considered a 1990 or a > > 1972 > > vehicle for emissions standards? > >> > as I understand it, the car must have the emission controls that came > with > that year car body. so, putting a 1986 ford turbo engine in my 1979 > pinto > shouldnt be a problem. heh. > > -- > DB Young Team OS/2 > > old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: > www.nothingtodo.org If your state adheres to the EPA standard (voluntary), yes, it must run emissions fitting that years standard. Even then, it has to fail a check before they're even going to look at you funny. If not, well, they have a pretty high bar to prove 'unsafe equipment' and they generally don't press it. What use is bringing in a paid witness for $5K when the fine is a few hundred bucks? (Former owner of a 1989 F-150 with a 196o's 460 and a 1984 AMC wagon with a 1970's 360.. Jim, new to the list

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Chevy Vega Re: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 8/1/01 10:50:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vance(a)ikickass.org writes: << On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, R. D. Davis wrote: > On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > [someone wrote:] > > > >You do have an option today. Buy a nice looking car and put an Edelbrock > > > >engine, four-barrel, intakes, etc. in it. > > Do emissions laws allow this for newer car bodies? If one buys a 1990 > Lincoln and stuffs a heavily modified 460 engine and C6 transmission, > pulled out of a 1972 vehicle, into it, is it considered a 1990 or a 1972 > vehicle for emissions standards? >> as I understand it, the car must have the emission controls that came with that year car body. so, putting a 1986 ford turbo engine in my 1979 pinto shouldnt be a problem. heh. -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

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OT: HVD SCSI controller

by ken＠seefried.com

Yup...narrow diff is well defined. There's an X-Y matrix of SCSI standards that have X == single ended or differential and Y == [ async narrow (5Mb/s), sync narrow (10Mb/s), sync wide (20Mb/s) ]. Once you get to wide fast, Ultra SCSI (aka SCSI3) and LVD SCSI, et. al., things get a bit odd. My Sun SS20 has a nice wide diff SCSI controller (20Mb/s) with a 4GB Seagate disk. Makes a big difference over the narrow internal drives. Ken Seefried, CISSP

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OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 30, Ethan Dicks wrote: > --- "R. D. Davis" <rdd(a)smart.net> wrote: > > ..."BMW" (can you say "overpriced VW Beetle?") > > Hardly... a BMW has that large finny thing in the front that serves no > purpose in a Beetle. A Porche is an overpriced Beetle. Drop me a note next time you're in DC. I will change that opinion. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Whats you oldest computer

by rachael_＠gmx.net

I think the oldest I have is a Philips odyssey 2001 build in 1977, not a quiet a computer. I`m not sure about the age of my Regnecentralen RC702 piccolo, sadly its not working, I have checked the PSU, and on a reset the 360kb 5 1/4" starts spining. Does anyone have some infomation about those machines from Regnecentralen. Here in Denmark people seems to have forgotten all about the machines. Regards Jacob Dahl Pind -- CBM, Amiga,Vintage hardware collector Email: Rachael_(a)gmx.net url: http://rachael.dyndns.org

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"Early" 3.5" diskettes (was: Wired covers VCF east

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Modern drives don't seem to mind missing shutters, and all of the early >drives that I've tried are happy with modern diskettes with the shutter >removed. So try taking the shutter off of a diskette and see whether >that makes the drive happy. Thanks, Fred... I'll have to try it again... The next part of the problem is trying to find such a drive to put on an -11, interfaced in such a way so that I can read/write the diskette. Then I could try loading up an RT-11 monitor and see if we can get the thing to boot. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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