Maybe he was talking about BeeMers.? Now a BMW (motorcycles too)is a work of art...just my own damn opinion though. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks -> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 4:21 PM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: Re: OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...) -> -> -> -> --- Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> wrote: -> > On July 30, Ethan Dicks wrote: -> > > --- "R. D. Davis" <rdd(a)smart.net> wrote: -> > > > ..."BMW" (can you say "overpriced VW Beetle?") -> > > -> > > Hardly... a BMW has that large finny thing in the front that -> serves no -> > > purpose in a Beetle. A Porche is an overpriced Beetle. -> > -> > Drop me a note next time you're in DC. I will change that -> > opinion. ;) -> -> About Beetles or Porches? -> -> -ethan -> -> -> ===== -> Visit "The Seventh Continent" -> http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html -> -> __________________________________________________ -> Do You Yahoo!? -> Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger -> http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

But they do ride long and they ride smooth, once you get past the hangup of an opposed flat engien sticking out. I've ridden one from Vegas to Tampa and never once had a backache or sore butt. My old panhead used to jar my kidneys but much of that was the hard frame combined with the older technoology engine. I had a Harley 54 (the Harley made trike) and it rode smooth as glass. I bought that one for $400 from the Chicago Police auction, and it only had 15k miles on it, all inner city downtown miles. I sold it a year later for over $5k... I do like the older HD's but after visiting a shop last month (did a printer repair for them) I have lost the interest in at least their newer items. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of R. D. Davis -> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 5:51 PM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: RE: OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...) -> -> -> On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote: -> > Maybe he was talking about BeeMers.? Now a BMW (motorcycles -> too)is a work of -> > art...just my own damn opinion though. -> -> ...more like a work of weird modern art. :-) Those BMWs look rather -> unattractive when compared with a classic like a Harley and it's -> gleaming chrome. Those BMWs don't even sound like motorcycles. -> -> -- -> Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & -> other animals: -> All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're -> above Nature & -> rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma -> to justify such -> http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. ->

As far as I've ever viewed the Prsche, it's a Karman Ghia with a fancy trim package and bigger cylinder jugs, better transaxle gearing. I've worked ona few of both (my friend's vehicles) and really saw nothing to make me believe there was justification for the bigger ticket, but I see Corvettes and Harley Davidsons as a way for people to think they're better than others by buying a certain brand name too. I've ridden some of the Jap knocks-offs that look like Harleys and I think they're actually nicer and they seem to be holding their value as well as Harleys too, albiet they're 1/2 the price in many cases. When the "crotch rocket" was a trend I did like Harleys, I've always liked heavier bikes with a V twin, but now they're just not worth the "glamour". -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of R. D. Davis -> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 4:34 PM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: Re: OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...) -> -> -> On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Dave McGuire wrote: -> > On July 30, Ethan Dicks wrote: -> > > --- "R. D. Davis" <rdd(a)smart.net> wrote: -> > > > ..."BMW" (can you say "overpriced VW Beetle?") -> > > -> > > Hardly... a BMW has that large finny thing in the front that -> serves no -> > > purpose in a Beetle. A Porche is an overpriced Beetle. -> > -> > Drop me a note next time you're in DC. I will change that -> > opinion. ;) -> -> Let's see if I can help to mediate this dispute... I think what Ethan -> probably meant to say was that a Porsche is an overpriced Beetle with -> a bigger engine and a squished body, which you should be able to -> demonstrate to him the next time that he's in your area. :-) However, -> I have to agree that a Porsche is overpriced, as I've seen US cars -> with even bigger engines and special handling packages, that cost much -> less, leave Porsches in the dust at stoplights. The look on the face -> of a Porsche owner when an ancient rusting hulk of a US automobile -> embarrasses him by leaving him in the dust like that is quite funny to -> observe. ROFL!!! -> -> -- -> Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & -> other animals: -> All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're -> above Nature & -> rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma -> to justify such -> http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. ->

Well it`s not really surprising is it? You only have half an engine in there. ;) On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, James Rice wrote: M. K. Peirce Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc. Shady Lea, Rhode Island "Casta est quam nemo rogavit." - Ovid

R.D. Davis wrote: You didn't get the joke. The 944 engine is an in-line four created by bisecting the V8 from the 928. -- Chris Kennedy chris(a)mainecoon.com http://www.mainecoon.com PGP fingerprint: 4E99 10B6 7253 B048 6685 6CBC 55E1 20A3 108D AB97

"If you let me pick the course, I can beat ANYTHING. In a Honda 600." (not many of those cars will even fit through doorways or in an elevator) I did have to concede defeat once. A former business partner's day job was repairing elevators, ... -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com

And where in the US (other than maybe a private track or open desert) do you do 190 mph? Lats time I bounced my speedo off the 150 peg in my 70 Roadrunner GTX in the way-out secluded desert (about 1978) I got nailed by a state trooper and the fine kept me from buying gas for a few weeks. He clocked me at 162 on radar, freshly cal'd. Nice to have that speed but it really serves no purpose on the highways. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Chris Kennedy -> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 4:54 PM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: RE: OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...) -> -> -> R.D Davis wrote: -> -> [snip] -> -> > The look on the face of a Porsche owner when an ancient rusting hulk -> > of a US automobile embarrasses him by leaving him in the dust -> like that -> > is quite funny to observe. ROFL!!! -> -> *grinning* I've yet to have that experience. Then again, I've yet to -> encounter a "rusting hulk of a US automobile" that will do 0 - 60mph in -> 3.2 seconds and kiss the far side of 190mph. If, however, the metric is -> bang-for-buck rather than emotion I wouldn't even consider a Porsche -- -> I'd get a new Vette :-) -> -> -- -> Chris Kennedy -> chris(a)mainecoon.com -> http://www.mainecoon.com -> PGP fingerprint: 4E99 10B6 7253 B048 6685 6CBC 55E1 20A3 108D AB97

That's the type of area ...I was coming down the mountains from Pioche/Ely NV when I got nailed but I've been out to Barstow, Tahoe, most of AZ, China Lake NWR, Death Valley and many others in it and my other big engined 5 mpg cars back then. My 74 Nova was the nicest, though not the fastest, but it gave me a whopping 18 mpg on the flat-out run -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Chris Kennedy -> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 5:46 PM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: RE: OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...) -> -> -> Russ Blakeman wrote: -> -> > And where in the US (other than maybe a private track or open -> desert) do -> you -> > do 190 mph? -> -> Three weeks ago it was one valley to the east, on the way home -> from Tahoe. -> Of course that valley is a large, ancient lakebed, part of which is -> technically "high desert", so maybe that fits into one of the categories -> you mention above :-) -> -> -- -> Chris Kennedy -> chris(a)mainecoon.com -> http://www.mainecoon.com -> PGP fingerprint: 4E99 10B6 7253 B048 6685 6CBC 55E1 20A3 108D AB97 ->

Iggy Drougge wrote: ...snip... Actually, it isn't that hard to have faster acceleration than most cars {:-) well, at least across the intersection. Quite a few years ago I was heading into Newcastle, NSW, Australia along the main drag; Hunter Street on my bicycle when I came beside a TransAm or some such. The lights changed and I just pedalled off to be passed by this TransAm about 100 metres down the road. BUT there are ten sets of lights (or so) along Hunter Street and at each of these lights, the same scenario was played out. I didn't really become aware of it until the third set when the TransAm passed in high Revs mode, then I twigged that someone was getting his nickers in a knot that I was faster off the mark each time the lights changed. Needless to say, the competition was really on and the lights obliged where we both had to stop at all 10 lights. I successfully beat the TransAM across all 10 intersections. All he could do was shorten the time it took to catch me and spend longer time at the next red light. I wasn't riding a clunker or a racing bike, just my normal touring bicycle. To bring it back on topic - does anyone have any links to the guy who was touring USA by bicycle with onboard computing sometime in the 70/80's? -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc(a)woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services <lan/wan, linux/unix, novell> "People without trees are like fish without clean water"

In 1976 the fastest (0-60 mph) production car sold in america had 118 hp, remember what it was? I drove one briefly and it sure was a kick to drive.

Sure, but by 1976 the fastest production car being sold was a Lotus Europa John Player Special with if my memory isn't too defective had 118 HP from a 1.6L engine. Zero to 60 MPH was a modest mid 6 second time, but I think it was just enough to edge out Z-28, which had lots more power, but twice the weight.

For a production car or for any car? I am pretty sure someone has probably cooked up one that's quicker. Peace... Sridhar On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Jeff Hellige wrote: