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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 13:58, Ian Koller wrote: > > > Dick, > > I don't use a spell checker, because, quite frankly, > it is an extremely rare event that I misspell a word. > > Now, which word is it that I misspelled that makes you > say this? definately -> definitely > > > His "style" was definately different than the "norm" for -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Language and English

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 11:12, Richard Erlacher wrote: > Yup! Here's another one ... a blank message with an attachment. > > Of course I won't open it ... Somewhere on your system will be a file called mime.types or some equivalent. That's what your mail program uses to determine what type the attachment is. You need to update it. If you're lucky, you also have a mailcap file somewhere that tells your mailer how to handle it -- telling it to treat it as plain text (or better still, the way it handles multipart/alternative will possibly work) is both safe and useful (in that you'll be able to read it). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Toshiba T3200SX Question

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Thanks for the advice. Found the battery, or rather what's left of it. Whatever it is that leaks or gasses out of Lithium batteries has eaten into most of the steelwork. I will have to replace the floppy drive and clean up metalwork. :-( Chris Leyson

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OT: Not P.C. hack-ob

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! -----Original Message----- ! From: Dan Schwartz [mailto:Expresso@snip.net] ! ! ! Of all sites to get hacked, The National Cathedral. Click on: ! <http://www.cathedral.org/cathedral/> ! and check out the mouse-over effect for the "Discover" link :-) ! ! Who knows how much longer it'll stay up?! I know, it's not nice, but it is still kinda funny... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Man alive, I just can't resist

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glen Goodwin" <acme_ent(a)bellsouth.net> > > > From: Golemancd(a)aol.com > > > This is becoming a pretty silly thread because there can be > > > understanding > > > without proper grammer ; if we are being technical here. > > Every computer I ever met would gag on the above statement ;>) > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] > Yes, starting with the spelling errors. I think a perl interpreter may actually execute it ;) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Hep me!! scsi adapter DOS drivers (ot?)

by rhudson＠cnonline.net

--probably off topic... I am not sure of the age of the board but Adaptec seems to think it's not supportable any more... :^( Anybody have DOS ASPI drivers for the ADAPTEC AHA-1542CF?? Tis an ISA scsi card with floppy attach and I have it in a 486 machine ---------------------------------- The machine seems to be a 486dx in a "lunchbox" style case with color lcd. looks like a normal motherboard is inside.. goes by the name of PCIII, with no other markings as to MFG. Any one know anything about this?

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RFD: SPAM

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Y'all, I've had this email account for a while, and never been particularly reticent about using or giving out the address. I've seen an unbelievable increase in incoming spam since I joined this list. Yes, I'm familiar with procmail filtering, and am about to start that, but I'm curious as to why this list in particular attracts so much garbage. I've seen a couple of other references to this, so I don't think I'm out on a limb here. What's going on, and is there a reasonable deterrent? Doc

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Language and English

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 11:45, Richard Erlacher wrote: > If the period took up as much space as another character, that would be > true, but with mail readers that perform kerning as though they were trying > to prepare text for publication, the period gets short-schrift, so to speak, > and often is nearly invisible. The practice of inserting two spaces was > inherited from the requirement for it in the printing/publishing industry. Actually, it has long been normal to use the same space between sentences as between words in printing. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Megabyte vs Mebibyte (was Re: Language and English)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 10:39, Ethan Dicks wrote: > Besides the 1000 x 1024 method, the moniker "1.44Mb" has an additional > marketing advantage - it's a simple multiple of 720K (which is really > a 1Mb raw floppy, formatted to 737,280 bytes under DOS, or 1024 x 720). > It's easier to conceptualize that a "1.44Mb" floppy holds twice as much > as a "720K" floppy. If you called it a "1.47Mb" floppy, I think there > would be even more confused newbies than there are now. My nitpick is that it's "MB" (megabytes) not "Mb" (megabits). And *of course* it's 1.40625MB, or 1.4MB for short :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Language and English

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 12:49, David Woyciesjes wrote: > ! From: Richard Erlacher > ! > ! It's never safe to open an attachment to an otherwise undefined email. > ! > ! I'd suspect only two or three on this list will be foolish > ! enough to open > ! this one. > ! > ! Dick > > Huh? What attachment? I think Dick is referring to the fact that Dan's posts appear on many systems as an empty message with a single attachment of raw data. It's actually typed "multipart/signed", and it ought to appear as a text attachment (or a text main part) with an attached signature block, but on software that doesn't intrinsically understand multipart/signed (like mine, and apparently Dick's), it doesn't. Probably something to do with the fact that "multipart/signed" is not one of the original MIME types. Maybe Dan could turn off the PGP signature for the list? I thought we'd agreed that multipart posts were inappropriate, or was that just "multipart/alternative"? However, since it's correctly typed it would seem fairly safe to open -- especially for those of us using a Unix machine to read mail :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Compenents Source?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Something like these? http://www.smokeyamps.com/popups/smokeypop.htm They sell for about $25. 1/4" headphone in/out plugs, and they last quite a while on a 9-volt. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ' > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent Borg [mailto:kentborg@borg.org] > In olden days I would go to Radio Shack, but that doesn't work > anymore, so I though I would ask here. > Anyone know where I could find a small, cheap, low power, amplified, > battery powered speaker? Back when I would have bought a "telephone > amplifier", but in 2002 I can't immedaitely find such a thing.

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VAX 6400 booting saga: how to transfer binaries to VMS with kermit?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, I'm ripping my hair out over VMS (as usual). I have a little magic file that I need to transfer from PC to VAX. And kermit on both ends. I thought I knew how to use kermit, but no matter what I do, the file will never work as an executable on the VAX. It always complains about a corrupt descriptor block and it comes up too long. The file is exactly 2048 bytes long and when I send it it comes up as 5/6 blocks with DIR/SIZE=ALL. That is one block too many, isn't it? The funny thing is, when I do a round trip with kermit PC -put-> VAX -get-> PC, I get two identical files on the PC. But when I do VAX -get-> PC -put-> VAX of a working .EXE file on the VAX, I end up with a broken copy (same error.) So, what can I do? I have SET FILE TYPE BINARY on both sides. I'm so sorry for bothering you with my VMS ignorance, I greatly appreciate your patience and help. regards -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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PDP-11 memory question

by tom＠sba.miami.edu

I have a PDP 11/23 (M8186 CPU with floating point and MMU options) in a 4 slot BA11-MA box that at some point in its life was an 11/03. It had an M8044-DF 32k memory module, which I'm trying to replace with a 128k M8059-KJ. The system works fine with the 32k module, but won't do anything with the 128k module. I'm not familiar with PDP-11's, but it seems like my backplane is only 18-bit, while the new memory module is 22-bit. I've also read that the M8186 board is only 22-bit compatible after revision C. I can't find any mark on the board showing what revision it is. Is there another way to tell? Also, is possible to modify the 18-bit bus and make it 22-bit, or maybe by swapping out the backplane? I also noticed that on some used PDP-11 web sites that the BA11-M sells for much more than the BA11-S, which I thought had 5 more slots. Is there some reason for this? Thanks, Tom

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Megabyte vs Mebibyte (was Re: Language and English)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Chomko [mailto:vze2wsvr@verizon.net] > > It's especially egregious, because even IBM, who use > 1024000 for Megabyte > > for disks, uses 1048576 for memory. Thus, an IBM megabyte > of disk storage > > will not hold the content of an IBM megabyte of memory! > Seems like you have lots of energy on this Fred. 1000 1K > blocks. Is that a > reason > to fly off the handle? Well, you're right that he's probably a little too sensitive on this, but it is a stupid way to count a megabyte -- not even self-consistent. :) Personally I prefer the 1024*1024 method. It makes the most sense to me. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Ultirix for Vaxstation 4000/90?

by wlewis＠mailbag.com

I'm probably going to pickup one of these in the near future, and while I run VMS on my 4000/VLC, I would like to to run a *nix on on this one. Since NetBSD and company don't have a working X server, that limits things a bit. Anyone have a copy they'd be willing to sell? Thanks, William

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Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

I can't wait to get up to the in-laws vacation house in central VT to do some riding!!! --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Lawrence Walker [mailto:lgwalker@mts.net] ! Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:36 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color ! Printer find ! ! ! Well where I'm living now is prime snowmobile territory. ! They're as obligatory ! as pick-up trucks and more common than motorcycles. When I ! grew up out ! here in the 40's the multi-passenger ones were called ! "Bombadeers" from ! the name of the company who made them, Bombardier, and who later ! introduced "Ski-Doos" the motorcycle of snowmobiles. I was ! surprised to find ! when I returned that locals still call the larger models Bombadeers. ! ! Lawrence ! ! > Whoa, can't let that one by: we know what a snowmobile is ! up here (c'mon, ! > fellow Canucks, back me up on this one!); mind you, if you ! asked ME what ! > a snowmobile is, I would indeed look at ya kind of funny ! (oops, funnily, for the ! > language police), since apparently YOU don't know what it ! is or you wouldn't be ! > asking... ! > ! > But a snow sled??? Who calls it that? Sounds like the ! SkiDoo trailer. ! > ! > Anyway, one of us invented the thing, so we can call it ! what we like! ! > ! > So there! ! > ! > :) ! > ! > -----------------Original Message------------------ ! > From: Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)30below.com> ! > ! > [snippage] ! > ! > [more snippage (pronounced snippahdge up here, not snippedge :)] ! > ! > And as it's winter, and we *finally* have snow here, talk ! to some Western ! > Ontario Canadians and ask them what a "snowmobile" or "snow ! sled" is - ! > they'll most likely look at you funny, at least for a few ! seconds until it sinks ! > in. They go "skidooing" in the wintertime. ! > ! > ! ! ! ! Reply to: ! lgwalker(a)mts.net !

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More worthless crap posted not worth reading...RE: Language a nd English

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Christopher Smith wrote: > > > Well, if you use the "modern" definition of poetry, sure > they are. ;) > > ... and given the "modern" definition of art, the people who paint > > lines down the middle of the street are "artists." According to the > > "modern" definition of music, one can talk over top of some [snip] > It's a good thing this metaphor does not extend to "Modern > Programmers". > We'd all be out of work. Ahh -- but it does. Have you seen the latest stock of MS "certified" monkeys? Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Megabyte vs Mebibyte (was Re: Language and English)

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

The guys on the Linux Kernel Mailing List are going wacko over this. Apparently somebody wanted to change all of the definitions of MB and GB, etc, etc, to use powers of ten, rather than the traditional binary notations. That really set off a firestorm of discussions.... - Matt At 03:49 PM 1/4/2002 -0500, you wrote: >! From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] >...... >! They should coin a new term for a fake Megabyte (i.e. >! something other than 1024 ^ 2). Call it a "Maybebyte". >! >! That wasn't funny. >! >! Sellam Ismail > >I thought it was. Or am I that weird? > > >--- David A Woyciesjes >--- C & IS Support Specialist >--- Yale University Press >--- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu >--- (203) 432-0953 >--- ICQ # - 905818 Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

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FreeVMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Finnegan [mailto:pat@purdueriots.com] > On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Merle K. Peirce wrote: > > > If it doesn't have wheels, it isn't really a computer. > Actually if i wanted to get a new tower case, i COULD get a tower case > with casters already attached for about $300 new.... but i > like to save > money for other things.......... I would add that a real computer must have a console monitor in firmware, and have the option of attaching an independent single device (as in a serial terminal) to use for a console. KVM switches don't count, of course ;) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I don't know what they're teaching kids these days, but in the time period >for which this list is relevant, mechanics did/do indeed refer to any >adjustable wrench of that particular design as a "Crescent Wrench". They >do NOT use the term "Crescent Wrench" to refer to any other style of >adjustable wrench, and would consider THAT misuse as comparable to >referring to a box-end wrench as a "socket". At least around here, they are teaching that it is an Adjustable Wrench, and specifically teaching that it is NOT a Crescent wrench. I also am personally unaware of ANYONE that professionally works with tools like these (and that means, NOT a person that repairs computers for a living and happens to have one for the rare occasions it is needed, but rather people that are in construction, or automotive repair, or similar), and calls it a Crescent wrench. At least as far as everyone I know, and what I learned in school (theater set construction, and the fire academy, and what I have found from friends that went to VoTech schools), the only people that call it a Crescent wrench are snickered at behind their backs because they are a "layman". That doesn't mean I think it is wrong to call it a crescent wrech (I still do sometimes as that was what I originally knew it as), they just specifically teach here NOT to call it that. But that is just around here, and like all language terms, change dramatically with region (go to a restaurant around here and order "pop" and you will get a funny look... do it in the midwest, and they will know exactly what you want). Also, flip open any tool catalog you want, you won't see a generic adjustable wrench listed as a Crescent Wrench. Flip open a electronics parts catalog, and you *might* see the push on, D shapey, "Centronics" connector (regardless of number of pins), listed as a "Centronics". Mind you, that does NOT make it correct, just that at least you can find it listed that way. Of course, with all this, I am NOT saying that the connectors should be called Centronics. I personally don't care what they are called. Centronics, Blue Ribbon, or Susan... as long as I know what the person is talking about, then the term did its job, it conveyed meaning... and isn't that really the point to language in the first place? >Calling the connector in question an "Amphenol connector" (regardless of >who made that particular one) would, indeed be like using the >common term "Crescent Wrench" when referring to an "adjustable >wrench" (rather a vague, ambiguous name for it!) But the term arguers will complain about calling it an Amphenol just as much I am sure. >But calling it a "Centronics connector", particularly when dealing with >sizes other than 36, would be like calling the same wrench a "Ford >wrench". Agreed, but it still happens (albeit, wrongly) >In the original post that was objected to, the writer referred to >"Centronics Ports". THAT was wrong. If he were to have said "ports with >50 pin centronics connectors", then it would be a trivial misuse, and >everyone would know what he meant (although some would DOUBT whether what >he was seeing was correct -"are you sure they're 50s?"). BUT, a >"Centronics PORT" means a parallel printer port as its primary and only >meaning, and the ports in question were obviously not that. Again, agreed. >One of the old classics of email "humor" mentions in passing a "Craftsman >10mm crescent wrench". Calling a wrench made by Craftsman a "Crescent" is >what you are talking about. Since the dimensions of such wrenches were >the LENGTH of the wrench, and Crescent didn't at that time label any of >theirs in metric units, the "10mm" is just weird. LOL >In my garage, we had a box with a 150mm Crescent WANNABE, "rubber nails" >(steel nails for nailing rubber weatherstripping), spotted paint (sold in >a spray can by GM for repairing trunks), etc. for hazing the new parts >runners. And the all time favorite, ask for the 8/16th socket. I think maybe I am the only one that saw the inherent humor and irony in arguing about calling things by their correct name, and not their common name, and using a Crescent wrench as an example of how TO call items by their correct name. <sigh> humor is wasted... -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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NCD 88k Boot monitor

by darek-ss＠wp.pl

Hi, I've got recently 2 old, but very good NCD Xstations 88k & 88kP6 based on Motorola 88100 processor. They are looking great, much better than what they are selling now :-) But unfortunately they are without Boot Manager EPROMS ... Does anyone could help me and tell where I can find such EPROM or just the image file which I can use to program one ? As far as I know BM from HMX & HMXPro doesn't work because it is made for R4xxx processor. Darek ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Zapro? znajomych na czata! Wy?lij SMSa z nowego czata WP! Czat.wp.pl - Jedyny czat z ludzk? twarz? < http://czat.wp.pl >

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Free to good home - 2 obscure computers

by pcw＠mesanet.com

These are the Viking AVAB (Swedish) computers I asked about before Obscure enough that no one seems to know anything about them... has the following cards: Western Digital MCP-1600 based CPU (maybe Pascal pcode machine) Western Digital FDC Western Digital 4Serial + Parallel I/O card 2X AVAB 32K battery backed SRAM cards Couple of odd AVAB I/O cards Proprietary bus, ~8"x10" cards -- Rack mount enclosure Were used for theater lighting system 1 system has 2x3.5" (720k ?) floppy drives a 1 8" drive (narrow Tandon) other system has 2x3.5" (720k?) drives Free for pickup in SF bay area (otherwise out they go) Peter Wallace

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Language and English

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: r. 'bear' stricklin [mailto:red@bears.org] > At the SCM prompt, type, "SHOW BOOT." > > At the SCM prompt, type, "SHOW BOOT". > > Which one is correct? Personally, I always try to move punctuation away from quoted commands, and the like. Otherwise I use the normal convention of leaving it inside the quotes. So both are "correct," but the second is what I would do to prevent confusion in this case. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > Let's be accurate here. cummings was a poet. The people > posting without > proper grammar and punctuation are not. Well, if you use the "modern" definition of poetry, sure they are. ;) ... and given the "modern" definition of art, the people who paint lines down the middle of the street are "artists." According to the "modern" definition of music, one can talk over top of some drum lines from Judas Priest's first album and be a wonderful "musician." Things are so much simpler now. Etc, etc. :) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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RFD: SPAM

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/4/02 12:10:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: > I've said this repeatedly. I use this account EXCLUSIVELY for receiving > list traffic and it has NEVER received any spam outside of the occasional > bullcrap that gets posted to the list directly. > > And no, I don't have any filtering turned on. > I have to agree. I also use this email address for the CCMP list only. I get no spam on it except the very occasional one that is posted to the list directly. This list does not lead to increased spam. It is very well maintained. Paxton Astoria, OR

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FreeVMS

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

Actually you would have to add 900 lbs. of lead, and include a 1000 watt space heater..... - Matt >I guess then, if i went to the store and mounted casters on my Sun >SparcStation 1, it'd be a 'real computer'. Of course if nothing else, >it'd be a 'really slow computer' that rolls faster than the framebuffer >can scroll text. (hehe) > > > Regards, > > > > Chris > > > > > > Christopher Smith, Perl Developer > > Amdocs - Champaign, IL > > > > /usr/bin/perl -e ' > > print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); > > ' > > > > Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

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Language and English

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Koller [mailto:vze2mnvr@verizon.net] > > English is a Germanic language, > That was my mistake. I have now learned something new, or > a misconception of mine has now been corrected. I thank you, > it will not be forgotten. Actually, to step in here, I'm certain that it depends on which "English" you're talking about. Of course old English and the original Anglo (Anglish?) languages that may have preceded it were Germanic. Modern English has been influenced as much by Latin as by the original English, IMO. > Now I will have to ponder why there are so many similarities > between French and Italian words and their English counterparts, > while to me the German language seems so much different. ... and there's your answer. Compare German to old English and you'd be surprised -- at least as surprised as you'd be to compare English to Spanish today. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Language and English

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> but I did learn that >a period at the end of a sentence is followed by two spaces, for example. This is actually a now outdated custom. I think it was originally there as old type presses has a small space character, so two were needed to make decent enough room to tell a sentence ended. I think it carried over to original typwriters, and then into early word processing... but now, it is outdated, and no longer taught (at least not by newer typing teachers... I bet the nuns at my wife's old highschool still teach two spaces). Of course, it could also have been dropped out of laziness, and just changed out of force from the new generation just not bothering with a 2nd space. (I think that is why standard office attire has relaxed so much too... new generation of bosses that don't take as much pride in their work appearance... not that I am one to talk, since I always wear jeans and a shirt to work except for days I have to meet with clients) >If you insist on writing in a style reminiscent of E. E. Cummings poetry Ugh.. try reading William Faulkner (I am pretty sure that is who it was)... he has 3 page run on sentences... worst reading my poor dyslexic brain ever had to deal with. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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chris smith

by Golemancd＠aol.com

chris writing an idea about a hobby is not an art form. that is my point. you only need precision when you need it. like standing in a karate stance when there is no one to fight. you get in the stance when needed. same with precision. pick your spots. has no one ever heard of that. pick the battles you fight. you dont have to fight all of them; just the ones that matter. same with percision. if someone says good morning and you dont understand them. you may inquired as to what they said. but after that one inquiry if it is not clear what they said , it really doesnt matter because what they may have been saying wasnt important enough to grill them for an hour. some one said the post didnt warrant a response. he was correct. i was just talking about an idea. thats it. it was not important. joee

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OS/2 1.3 EE

by jwbirdsa＠picarefy.com

Does anybody have a copy of this? I have MS OS/2 1.3, and I have TCP/IP for OS/2 1.3 EE, but they don't work together. I'd love to have EE so I can put TCP/IP on it and install the lot on a 286. Maybe I can dig up a web server for it. :) Thanks! --James B.

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Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> > > > Heh. Mexican speed wrench... > > Funny, I've always heard it referred to as a *Kentucky* speed > wrench ;>) I like that even better! But down yonder, they have to be carefull with them, after all, they *really* hurt when they're dropped on bare feet... ;) -dq

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by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] ! ...... ! ! Microsoft Outlook and Outlook Express have a setting which ! will limit the ! width of lines that it transmits and receives. While it lets ! you type to ! the width of your display, it wraps lines by inserting "> " ! or whatever else ! you choose, at the left margin of quoted received text, and ! <crlf> at the ! limits you set. After a few iterations, quoted text becomes ! quite difficult ! to read, and more so if it's formatted both manually and ! automatically. Yep, I have to manually tweak messages as I reply to them (see below)... I must be doing okay, though. No one has yelled at me yet... ! > ! > I am aware, and I do try to avoid it. As I've said in a ! private mail to ! someone, ! > my company believes that everyone should use microshaft outhouse for ! email. I'm ! > really lucky to have gotten it to send messages in ASCII :/ ! Never mind ! wrapping ! > the lines. So I do it by hand, when I remember and when ! I'm not rushed. ! > ! > Regards, ! > ! > Chris --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] > Microsoft Outlook and Outlook Express have a setting which > will limit the > width of lines that it transmits and receives. While it lets News to me. I'll see if I can find it. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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DEC bus driver/receiver chips (really VT78 docs)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 1:07, Carlini, Antonio wrote: > Actually I only know of one other in the UK, > but I expect there are a few more lurking in > dark corners. I have a VT78. Is that the one you're thinking of? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Language and English

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Hmmm.. okay. Well, my Outlook2001 (sorry, no choice at work) must've read it correctly, and not as an attachment... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Russ Blakeman [mailto:rhblakeman@kih.net] ! Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:03 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: RE: Language and English ! ! ! The one that he had attached to his messages, ATTxxxx.DAT - it's a PGP ! signature from his last email. ! ! -----Original Message----- ! From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of David Woyciesjes ! Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:50 AM ! To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org'; 'Richard Erlacher' ! Subject: RE: Language and English ! ! ! ! From: Richard Erlacher ! ! ! ! It's never safe to open an attachment to an otherwise ! undefined email. ! ! ! ! I'd suspect only two or three on this list will be foolish ! ! enough to open ! ! this one. ! ! ! ! Dick ! ! Huh? What attachment? ! ! --- David A Woyciesjes ! --- C & IS Support Specialist ! --- Yale University Press ! --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu ! --- (203) 432-0953 ! --- ICQ # - 905818 !

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chris smith

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Koller [mailto:vze2mnvr@verizon.net] > Are you aware that your messages seem to have no > carriage returns and don't wrap in some message > viewers? Please don't take this as a complaint, > but this makes it more difficult to read, as I > have to scroll horizontally outside the normal > message viewing area. And it seems your messages > are worth reading as they contain some thoughtful > comment. I am aware, and I do try to avoid it. As I've said in a private mail to someone, my company believes that everyone should use microshaft outhouse for email. I'm really lucky to have gotten it to send messages in ASCII :/ Never mind wrapping the lines. So I do it by hand, when I remember and when I'm not rushed. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] ! ! ! On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Chris wrote: ! > I know the facts, and I know exactly why it carries that ! > name (much like ! ! It's a nice analogy, but only partially relevant for this particular ! issue. ! I don't know what they're teaching kids these days, but in ! the time period ! for which this list is relevant, mechanics did/do indeed refer to any ! adjustable wrench of that particular design as a "Crescent ! Wrench". They ! do NOT use the term "Crescent Wrench" to refer to any other style of ! adjustable wrench, and would consider THAT misuse as comparable to ! referring to a box-end wrench as a "socket". Maybe I'm dating myself, or just sounding stupid, but with my basic hands-on mechanic experience, I always called them 'adjustable' wrenches, because that's what they did. They adjusted to the size you nedd. Never quite realized what exactly a Cresent wrench was... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, a quick explanation of a frost heave... (from CT :-) Water seeps through a crack in the road, and gets trapped underneath. The water then freezes, and expands, which "heaves" the asphalt above it up into a bump. Whats worse is when the ice underneath melts, but the asphalt doesn't come back into shape quick enough. A vehicle hits the bump, and busts the bubble that's left. Now you have a pot-hole... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Ian Koller ! ! I'm here in snowed out South Eastern US and I know ! about "black ice" and "Bridge Freezes Before Roadway" ! but what are "Frost Heaves"? ! ! I could have done without this snow. I needed to make ! a trip down to GA and possibly FLA that has to be delayed. ! ! ! ! ! Michael Nadeau wrote: ! > ! > Wait til they find out about frost heaves. ! > ! > > > ! > > > Odd that you should mention this ... ! > > > ! > > > As they've reccently had snow in the southern U.S, ! where that's a ! > noteable ! > > > and rare event, youngsters interviewed DO refer to the ! thing as a "snow" ! > > > sled, apparently because snow is such a rarity. ! > > ! > > HA... And they are *just* learning about the phenomenon ! known as "black ! > ice". ! > > :-D ! > > ! > > Bryan ! > > ! > > ! > > > ! > > > Dick ! > > > ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- ! > > > From: "Matt London" <classiccmp(a)knm.yi.org> ! > > > To: "'ClassicComputers'" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> ! > > > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:10 AM ! > > > Subject: Re: Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: ! NEXT Color ! > Printer ! > > > find ! > > > ! > > > ! > > > > Hi, ! > > > > ! > > > > > Whoa, can't let that one by: we know what a ! snowmobile is up here ! > > > (c'mon, ! > > > > > fellow Canucks, back me up on this one!); mind you, ! if you asked ME ! > what ! > > ! > > Yes, as a fellow Canuck, I know what a snowmobile is... ! In the town of ! > 9,500 ! > > where I grew up, as soon as there was 3 to 6 cm of snow, ! everyone would be ! > > on their skidoo's. ! > > ! > > ! > > > > > a snowmobile is, I would indeed look at ya kind of ! funny (oops, ! > funnily, ! > > > for ! > > > > > the language police), since apparently YOU don't ! know what it is or ! > you ! > > > > > wouldn't be asking... ! > > > > > ! > > > > > But a snow sled??? Who calls it that? Sounds like the SkiDoo ! > trailer. ! > > > > > ! > > > > > Anyway, one of us invented the thing, so we can ! call it what we ! > like! ! > > > > ! > > > > Just a second! What's this I see... ! > > > > From: M H Stein <mhstein(a)usa.net> ! > > > > A Canuck wuth a usa.net email address? Something ! screwy there if you ! > ask ! > > > > me, but then again I'm one of those dodgy brits :&) ! > > > > ! > > > > -- Matt ! > > !

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FreeVMS

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Matthew Sell [mailto:msell@ontimesupport.com] ! ! David, ! ! ! Yeah - messed up again. I really meant to say "NetBSD", and ! not "FreeBSD" all the while. ! ! Maybe FreeBSD would be good for my "Unibus VAX 4000" ? ! ! : ) ! ! ! - Matt Yeah, it should be about the right speed.... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Golemancd(a)aol.com [mailto:Golemancd@aol.com] > has no one ever heard of that. > pick the battles you fight. Of course. Is it not from Sun Tsu's "The Art of War?" ... but I'd hardly call typing a war. :) If it is, then it's likely that you'll want to "win" it if you plan to work with computers. > some one said the post didnt warrant a response. > he was correct. i was just talking about an idea. > thats it. it was not important. You must believe what you say is of some import, otherwise, why bother to post anything? People are just complaining that while you seem to care enough about what you're saying to post it, you don't seem to care enough to allow them to understand it. The only word of caution I would give is that this is a very "hands-on" (technical, if you prefer the term) list. If you speak about things without being detailed enough for everyone to comprehend, it may annoy several people. (Myself included, honestly. :) Let me give the example of your post, which said, essentially: "Why do you need a bigger network?" You might have explained why you thought that the subjects current network was big enough, or you might have asked specific questions in order to get a good idea of its size. The question -- especially being the entire content of the post -- is pretty vague. :) On top of that it was abbreviated. ;) How are we ever supposed to hold a conversation with you that way? I'll also say that I might expect a one-sentence post if it were, for instance, a very direct answer to a technical question. On the other hand, a one-sentence post which asks such a broad question about a broad topic is almost definitely not giving complete expression to the question. (Or it's philosophical, and not expecting an answer -- in which case, why post?) We can't see you, and we don't know you yet, so we have no idea whether (or how) we can draw any inferences from the question. In other words, it's not a matter of being textbook correct, but making yourself understood. (Wow, am I that long-winded?) Regards, Chris, who isn't even awake yet -- watch out after lunch Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Language and English

by meltlet＠fastmail.fm

> a period at the end of a sentence is followed by two spaces, for example. Ok, if we're going to be anal here, and criticise "English" then in English it's not a period, it's a full stop. *ducks to avoid flames ;D* Alex -- melt meltlet(a)fastmail.fm

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by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Richard Erlacher ! ! It's never safe to open an attachment to an otherwise undefined email. ! ! I'd suspect only two or three on this list will be foolish ! enough to open ! this one. ! ! Dick Huh? What attachment? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Way OT: Frost Heaves (was RE: Crescent wrenches (was: Nomencl atur e (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Aww geez, stretching things a bit here, aren't you? ;-) TGIF.... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Feldman, Robert [mailto:Robert_Feldman@jdedwards.com] ! ! Since ee cummings had been disparaged here, one could ! interpret the term as ! critical of a certain New England poet ;) ! ! -----Original Message----- ! From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] ! ! ! Well, a quick explanation of a frost heave... (from CT :-) ! ! Water seeps through a crack in the road, and gets trapped ! underneath. The water then freezes, and expands, which ! "heaves" the asphalt ! above it up into a bump. ! Whats worse is when the ice underneath melts, but the asphalt ! doesn't come back into shape quick enough. A vehicle hits the ! bump, and ! busts the bubble that's left. Now you have a pot-hole... ! ! --- David A Woyciesjes ! ! ! -----Original Message----- ! ! From: Ian Koller ! ! ! ! I'm here in snowed out South Eastern US and I know ! ! about "black ice" and "Bridge Freezes Before Roadway" ! ! but what are "Frost Heaves"? ! <snip> !

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FreeVMS

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

David, Yeah - messed up again. I really meant to say "NetBSD", and not "FreeBSD" all the while. Maybe FreeBSD would be good for my "Unibus VAX 4000" ? : ) - Matt At 12:43 PM 1/4/2002 -0500, you wrote: >! -----Original Message----- >! From: Matthew Sell >! >! From what I understand of the Linux kernel, it uses two, and >! the i386 has >! three modes of operation. >! >! Don't forget that FreeBSD already runs on the VAX, and FreeVMS (in my >! project concept) would be an extension and implementation of >! the existing >! FreeBSD kernel so that it "looks and feels" like VMS. >! >! I also wanted this implementation of FreeBSD to use native >! DEC filesystems >! and operate classic DEC hardware. > > Poking around through NetBSD also would probably be helpful. That >runs on 30+ architectures, and FreeBSD & NetBSD often use the same source >code for drivers too... > >--- David A Woyciesjes >--- C & IS Support Specialist >--- Yale University Press >--- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu >--- (203) 432-0953 >--- ICQ # - 905818 Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

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FreeVMS

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! -----Original Message----- ! From: Matthew Sell ! ! From what I understand of the Linux kernel, it uses two, and ! the i386 has ! three modes of operation. ! ! Don't forget that FreeBSD already runs on the VAX, and FreeVMS (in my ! project concept) would be an extension and implementation of ! the existing ! FreeBSD kernel so that it "looks and feels" like VMS. ! ! I also wanted this implementation of FreeBSD to use native ! DEC filesystems ! and operate classic DEC hardware. Poking around through NetBSD also would probably be helpful. That runs on 30+ architectures, and FreeBSD & NetBSD often use the same source code for drivers too... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Way OT: Frost Heaves (was RE: Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclatur e (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Since ee cummings had been disparaged here, one could interpret the term as critical of a certain New England poet ;) -----Original Message----- From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:20 AM To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org'; Michael Nadeau; 'Ian Koller' Subject: RE: Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printer find Well, a quick explanation of a frost heave... (from CT :-) Water seeps through a crack in the road, and gets trapped underneath. The water then freezes, and expands, which "heaves" the asphalt above it up into a bump. Whats worse is when the ice underneath melts, but the asphalt doesn't come back into shape quick enough. A vehicle hits the bump, and busts the bubble that's left. Now you have a pot-hole... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Ian Koller ! ! I'm here in snowed out South Eastern US and I know ! about "black ice" and "Bridge Freezes Before Roadway" ! but what are "Frost Heaves"? <snip>

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OT: A different view of a beloved hobby

by jarkko.teppo＠er-grp.com

>From the excellent news source known as The Reg : http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/30/23549.html -- jht

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Man alive, I just can't resist

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Golemancd(a)aol.com [mailto:Golemancd@aol.com] > i look at the mail and see an ad for something and i know > im not interested , so i dont worry about which store > is sending this junk to me. [trash can time] Actually, depending on the annoyance factor I do check the name of the store, and adjust my shopping preferences accordingly (favoring other stores, or if it's junk email, not dealing with the company at all). Usually, though, it just gets ignored, you're right. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Movie making and distributed robotics (Was: Language and English )

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Golemancd(a)aol.com [mailto:Golemancd@aol.com] > i collect any computer i can get my hands on. You must have lots of room. I'm getting to the point where I have to refuse to take peesees in some cases (err -- sometimes, regardless of the case. ;). > i am developing an operating system and a multimedia program > to create movies. Are we talking about video editing, rendering, animation, SuperDuperMegaMultiCompoundApp, or what? > i use a newer computer to produce records. > i am also working out, as i was talking about > in the original thread that got off track, a distributed > os to control robots and also a custom computer > to do the same. Now, I can't particularly think of a situation in robotics that would require a distributed O/S. Usually it's general-purpose embedded systems at a maximum. What are you up to here? Or is it just distributed for cool factor? (Nothing wrong with that...) This part is likely to even be on topic ;) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Wanted: Tiger Learning Computer

by vcf＠vintage.org

I'm wanting to buy a Tiger Learning Computer from anyone who may have one they don't want. This was the kid computer released during Christmas of 1996 but only sold in limited numbers in the JC Penney 1996 Christmas catalog. It was Apple ][ compatible--it basically had enhanced Apple //e ROMs and used Flash ROM cards as an emulated Disk ][ drive. It had Appleworks built-in. Very nifty. I'm also open to trades. Any got one? This is my biggest want currently. :) Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Lawrence Walker [mailto:lgwalker@mts.net] ! ! And then there is "Leatherman" the modern eqivalent of the ! "Swiss Army Knife" of which there is no eqivalent I know ! qualitywise altho the quality is declining as demand increases. ! ! Lawrence Well, about 3 years ago, I got the Buck Knives Co. version of the Leatherman, called the "BuckTool". (Duh, real creative name there...) http://www.buckknives.com/products/details.php?ID=64 Still strong, hasn't loosened up at all. Great thing to have around on your belt. Especially for emergency work on computers... The quality of that is at least as good as the Leatherman. IMHO the design, on the other hand, is definitely better. Especially when it is opend to the 'pliers' position... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by Golemancd＠aol.com

does anyone have anything to say about computers?

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Golemancd(a)aol.com [mailto:Golemancd@aol.com] > does anyone have anything to say about computers? Yes. They're generally digital these days, are they not? Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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11/53 - Qbus backplane question

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Gooijen H [mailto:GOOI@oce.nl] > Sent: 04 January 2002 08:42 > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > Subject: 11/53 - Qbus backplane question > > > I got in the 11/53 running Micro/RSX. > > The 11/53 has an H9278-A backplane. According to > Megan's fieldguide the first 3 slots are Q22/CD > and the last 5 slots are Q22. > What does that mean? If I remember rightly the CD slots have grant continuity, which means you can have half height boards in position 1/2 without needing grant continuity cards in position 3/4 to carry signals over to the next slot. Can't rememember the M code for the GC card ATM; my VAXen are 10 minutes away from here. -- Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd e: adrian.graham(a)corporatemicrosystems.com w: www.corporatemicrosystems.com w2: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Online Computer Museum)

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Ultrix 4.4 and VaxStation 3100

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Might be some confusion, so here's how the conversation went, at least the way I saw it..... (edited for ease of reading...) > (assuming X11 worked on the Vaxstation 3100 > under Ultrix - I assume it would.) > > ! AFAIK the SPX graphics was not supported, only the ! mono and GPX framebuffers. ! ! Jochen Kunz > So there is some chance of NetBSD/Xwindows running on my > b&w 3100m38? > > David A Woyciesjes ! From: Clint Wolff (VAX collector) ! ! The last I heard, NetBSD didn't support any sort of ! graphics console. Not even as a text only console... ! ! Clint > So, the monitor and keyboard hooked directly to > the back of the VAXStation > 3100 M38 is not a text only console? What kind of console > is it then? > > David A Woyciesjes ! From: Alex White ! ! It could either be mono, or 4- or 8-plane graphics IIRC. ! Designed to run ! DECwindows, there have apparently been two ports of X11 to it under ! NetBSD - see the thread called "x-server and security.tgz for NetBSD ! 1.5" at http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-vax/2000/11/ for the rough ! info - if you know any more please tell us... That's what I thought. Well, what I was trying to say, and maybe not clearly, is my VAXStation has a black & white graphics. It's currently running NetBSD 1.5 right now, text only, no X11. I have seen it run DECWindows. That was before work sold it to me and wiped the drives... Grrr... About all I know at the moment, but hopefully soon I'll have time to contribute to the effort of creating an XServer for this puppy. :-) That's where my previous comment came from, the confusion of what kind of console is on it... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Any interest in 5.25 floppy drives or small scsi drives?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I've got some orders for some goodies and there's still some things left. Tell me what you want so I can see if I can accomodate you. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

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Some pointers needed on a 11/70

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 2, 21:08, <quapla(a)xs4all.nl> wrote: > Besides some small mistakes (not all PS modules in place for the CPU, and > not having a powered memory box), we managed to get the machine partly > running, that is, the lights are reacting to the 2 knob settings, and some > data is displayed on the console. > > However, when depositing some data at address 1000, nothing happens, and > the parity and/or address error light goes on. Same when trying to see > the contents of any (low) address. So, I have a few questions: I'm sure there must be people on the list who know more about 11/70s than I do, but since no-one else has replied yet... Is the memory powered up and connected? At the right address (you must have some memory in the lowest 28KW to start up)? Is the cache working? There are various things done by the power-up bootstrap diagnostic routines to set up the cache and memory system; and there are ways to disable cache, Unibus map, certain errors, etc, by poking bits into control registers. And I think you probably want to set the console Address Select Switch to CONS(ole) PHYS(ical). > - I have heard about a system address register which sets the size of > the memory, where is this address located? 17177760 is the "lower size register". Set it to the address of the last addressable block of 32 words (ie offset by 6 bits). There's an upper size register as well, "reserved for future use", read-only, reads as zeros, at 17177762. > - At the back of the memory box, there are somw switches and 4 thumbwheel > switches. What is their purpose? I assume to set the base address of the memory in the box, but never having set one up, I don't know. > - Is the ROM boot address still 177560? or must it be 17777560 on the 11/70? Well, it would be 18 bits, since it's on the Unibus, in an M9301-YC or equivalent. But 177560 (or 777560) is the address of the console serial line. The bootstrap is at 765000. I'm not sure if you need to set the top four bits as well, as if I recall correctly, the Unibus is mapped to the top of physical memory. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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PS/2 Model 70

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

> >Well, scratch the idea of OS/2; my CD has a big scratch in it and is >unreadable. >-- >Eric Dittman In some cases it's possible to remove the scratch by polishing the CD. I've taken badly scratched CD's and removed the scratches with a buffing wheel, jewelers rouge, and a little patience. Just be careful not too overheat the CD or it may warp. The ones that I've done came out paper thin but, were readable. SteveRob _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Hazing (was Re: Crescent wrenches ...)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On 04-Jan-02, Gordon C. Zaft wrote: > > At 10:04 PM 1/3/2002 -0800, Ron Hudson wrote: > > > >> A true navy story from my Navy days. > > > > When I was a Navy civil servant, every engineer who went out on > > his first ship qualification trial would get hazed. Usually it was being > > sent to get batteries for the sound-powered phones.... > > My favorite was always sending someone for a bucket of > steam....that or a snipe punch. Stud stretchers are popular with the contruction crowd... New pages to Congress are given important messages to give to Senator Cornpone... And to get this back on-topic, at IBM, new hires were sent to see Dr. Herman Hollerith to get the final answers on important questions. -dq

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> ps -- i am not a warez dood - dont own a cell phone - and have never > instant messaged anyone I confess to having used TALK/NTALK/YTALK under Solaris once or twice... and in the old days, using SEND TTY under TOPS-10 seemed really cool... now I see it a bit differently. -old fogey

23 years, 11 months

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Compaq Deskpro286 - Documents or Help?

by tarsi＠binhost.com

Hi all geeks! I have two Compaq 286 machines that I am trying to put back together. Unfortunately, I'm having some issues reattaching the harddrives and floppy drives to the drive controller cards. I seem (stupidly) to have forgotten how they go when I unplugged them. I know, I know, it's dumb, but help a guy out anyway? :) I promise to be good the next time, honest. Anywho, if any of you have documentation that you can email to me, I would appreciate, or if you can explain how to reattach the cables from the harddrives and floppy drives to the card, I would most grateful. Configuration appears below. Personal email: tarsi(a)binhost.com Thanks, Tarsi --------------- Configuration: Compaq Deskpro286 Model 2550 Harddrive controller: WDC WD1002-WAH J1 is a 33 pin J2 is a 19 pin J3 is a 19 pin Floppy drive/Printer board, has one 33 pin floppy connector Standard(?) 5.25" floppy drive, 33 (34) pin cable. Seagate hard drive, one 19 pin cable, one 33 pin cable. My confusion is mostly whether J2 or J3 should be used with the harddrive, and what the difference is. Also, can I put dual harddrive in there? If so, how? Thanks a mil! -- ---------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://tarsi.binhost.com binHOST.com: http://www.binhost.com Forever Beyond: http://www.foreverbeyond.org ----------------------------------------------

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Man alive, I just can't resist

by Golemancd＠aol.com

well glenn the statement was not meant to be confined to computers. most people prabably including you have a richer life that just working with computers. sure i program. i know when to be precise, and when i dont need to be. i'm sure you do to. i look at the mail and see an ad for something and i know im not interested , so i dont worry about which store is sending this junk to me. [trash can time] when i program i concentrate on being precise. whats so hard to understand about that. being a programmer you must be pretty good concepts. this is a simple one Joe

23 years, 11 months

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Toshiba T3200SX Question

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Just got myself a Toshiba T3200SX laptop. Reformatted the hard drive and put DOS 6.22 onto it. However, the CMOS backup battery has gone flat. Anybody know where the battery lives, and is it PCB mounted ? Best Regards Chris Leyson

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Man alive, I just can't resist

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Golemancd(a)aol.com > This is becoming a pretty silly thread because there can be > understanding > without proper grammer ; if we are being technical here. Every computer I ever met would gag on the above statement ;>) > Sure there is > meaning, > u just dont understand it. Well, I've seen lots of COBOL and BASIC programs which fit this description, but that doesn't mean it's okay. > I get your point. I do use a lot of shorthand and because this is a > hobby > i dont focus very much on my grammer. If u see me post then dont read it. > That is all that i have to say about this matter. > > joee > > P.S i hope the grammer helps you understand this. I have no idea what your involvement with computers is, but I'm certain it doesn't involve programming . . . Glen 0/0

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11/53 - Qbus backplane question

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Gooijen H wrote: >The 11/53 has an H9278-A backplane. According to >Megan's fieldguide the first 3 slots are Q22/CD >and the last 5 slots are Q22. >What does that mean? The slots each allow for four "fingers" on each card - a quad card uses all four and a dual card uses only two (there are some single cards too, but not many). The holes on the backplane slot for the fingers are labelled A,B,C,D from left to right from the side the cards plug into. Q22/CD slots have A/B wired as Q22 bus, C&D are just wired straight through. C/D are not used for Q-bus comms and are just for card-card communication. Q22/Q22 slots have Qbus on A&B and Qbus on C&D. It sounds like in your machine, the path followed by the Qbus is: slot-1: A/B slot-2: A/B slot-3: A/B slot-4: A/B slot-4: C/D slot-5: C/D slot-5: A/B slot-6: A/B etc. i.e. Qbus goes down A/B in slots 1,2,3,4 and then hops over to C/D on slot 4, drops vertically down to slot-5 C/D, moves back to slot-5 A/B ... repeat until you run out of slots. The manuals refer to this as a serpentine pattern. There is a diagram in some of the MicroVAX manuals on http://208.190.133.201/decimages/moremanuals.htm (I cannot remember exactly which ones but if you pick up the 630Z Owner's and Technical manuals, I'm 90% certain one of them has the diagram ... note that BA23 has 3 Q22/CD slots and BA123 has four Q22/CD slots ... the principle is the same though). The Q22/CD distinction matters in two cases that spring to mind. The first is that some Qbus signals need to be passed on to the next card correctly (interrupt and grant signals). An empty slot breaks the chain here. So if your first three slots have processor + memory and you put a TQK50 controller in slot 4 (A/B) and an RQDX3 in slot 5 (A/B), the chain is broken because slot 4 C/D and slot 5 C/D are empty - you need grant cards (or other Qbus cards) in there to let the RQDX3 work. Just to make this more fun, the RQDX3 will show up on the bus (it's CSRs are visible) it just won't work :-) The other reason it matters is that quad wide cards need to do the right thing depending on the kind of slot they are in. Most seem to arrive defaulted for a Q22/Q22 slot (which means they can go straight into a BA23/BA123 chassis with no additional jumpering etc). Putting one of these in a Q22/CD slot is usually no problem except that the card is passing on the C/D signals to the next card. This may or may not matter. For those cases where it does matter, cards provide a means of preventing this from happening. On the KDA50 there is a zero-ohm link (looks liek a resistor) that you remove. Of course, if you move a modified KDA50 from a Q22/CD slot to a Q22/Q22 slot you are in for some fun :-) Later series chassis (certainly the BA200 series, probably the BA400 series) were wired Q22/CD throughout. >At this moment, this is the configuration: >slot 1 rows 1-4: M7554-02 - 11/53-PLUS CPU >slot 2 rows 1-2: M3106 - 4-line async EIA MUX >slot 3 rows 1-2: M7546 - controller for TK50 >slot 4 rows 1-2: M7555 - RQDX3 > rows 3-4: ??? >All other slots and not mentioned row positions are empty. >In slot 4 rows 3-4 is a card with just one 8-pos DIP switch >three 16-pin DIL resistor chips and some decoupling caps. >At the top are two BERG connectors, one 40 pin and one 50 pin. >These two flatcables connected to an external unit, brandname >Dynafive. Inside that box are several "Dynafive" boards and >one board of "VGScientific". The rear of the box has several >BNC connectors with markings that pops 'video' stuff to mind. >Like H-sync, Green-in, Red-in, Green-out, etc. >This box and the 11/53 were connected to eachother. On the >disk in the 11/53 I found .RNO files that describe the VGS5000 >and how to use the application (something with spectral analysis). >So far for the system description. Many years agon, on a PDP-11/23, we had an external box (about the same size as the 11/23 cab - including RL02 and RX01) which was just a frame buffer (i.e. video card). Your peripheral may well be similar (but this is just a guess based on the fact that it seems to have video connectors!) >1) Can I remove that ??? card I guess yes. Obviously you loose a really cool peripheral! >2) Put a DELQA or DECNA at the same position? You can put a DELQA there. You can put a DEQNA there (which is what I guess you meant). But a DECNA is (IIRC) the really *rare* ethernet card for the Pro 300 series of machines. It won't fit and you'd destroy a cool card if you put that there :-) >I seem to remember that the RQDX3 must be the last device in >the backplane for some reason. It doesn't *have* to be. The reasons for putting cards in a particular order is described in one (or more?) of the Micronotes that you can find on the web (e.g. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/hardware /micronotes/numerical/ ) Basically, the RQDX3 will hog the bus given half a chance, but has enough buffering not to mind yielding the bus to other peripherals (within reason). The nearer (electrically) you are to the CPU, the higher your priority. So the RQDX3 (and KDA50) traditionally go furthest >from the CPU. >So, should the Ethernet card go in slot 4 rows 1-2 and should I >move the RQDX3 to slot 4 rows 3-4? That would be normal. It will probably work even if you don't move the RQDX3 though. It's worth mentioning that the RQDX*2*/RQDX*1* are brain-dead and do not pass on one of the signals (GRANT I think). This means that they *must* go at the end of the bus (nothing after them will ever be able to interrupt!) Antonio

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11/53 - Qbus backplane question

by GOOI＠oce.nl

I got in the 11/53 running Micro/RSX. The 11/53 has an H9278-A backplane. According to Megan's fieldguide the first 3 slots are Q22/CD and the last 5 slots are Q22. What does that mean? At this moment, this is the configuration: slot 1 rows 1-4: M7554-02 - 11/53-PLUS CPU slot 2 rows 1-2: M3106 - 4-line async EIA MUX slot 3 rows 1-2: M7546 - controller for TK50 slot 4 rows 1-2: M7555 - RQDX3 rows 3-4: ??? All other slots and not mentioned row positions are empty. In slot 4 rows 3-4 is a card with just one 8-pos DIP switch three 16-pin DIL resistor chips and some decoupling caps. At the top are two BERG connectors, one 40 pin and one 50 pin. These two flatcables connected to an external unit, brandname Dynafive. Inside that box are several "Dynafive" boards and one board of "VGScientific". The rear of the box has several BNC connectors with markings that pops 'video' stuff to mind. Like H-sync, Green-in, Red-in, Green-out, etc. This box and the 11/53 were connected to eachother. On the disk in the 11/53 I found .RNO files that describe the VGS5000 and how to use the application (something with spectral analysis). So far for the system description. Now my question. 1) Can I remove that ??? card 2) Put a DELQA or DECNA at the same position? I seem to remember that the RQDX3 must be the last device in the backplane for some reason. So, should the Ethernet card go in slot 4 rows 1-2 and should I move the RQDX3 to slot 4 rows 3-4? TIA, - Henk

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > sometimes i forget that computer folks r technical people. > > i come from the arts where the only thing that is needed is > > understanding. > > i am on stage sometimes and all the musicians do is > > just nod or look at each other and everyone understands them. > > Yes, but they try to use established conventions for note pitches, > time signatures, keys, chord structures and all the other syntax of > musical language...you'd have to in my band anyway ;-) So, Stan, give us a nice twelve-BARR ClassicCmp Blues standard... ;) -dq

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DEC bus driver/receiver chips (really VT78 docs)

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

David Gesswein wrote: >I plan to have this all done in 25 years so you should be all set :-). I'm OK with that timescale ! >If you know the UK people need a particular portion of it let me know. I >don't have the time to scan it all in the near term. Email me the >request directly, with the list traffic I might miss it. Actually I only know of one other in the UK, but I expect there are a few more lurking in dark corners. Antonio

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PS/2 Model 70

by dittman＠dittman.net

> I found a couple of 2MB PS/2 SIMMs that I had stashed away and > put them in my PS/2 Model 70, so I now have 8MB of RAM. I haven't > cracked the password on the Xenix386 installation, but thought from > the discussion that OS/2 would be a better operating system to play > with anyway. I have OS/2 2.1. Would that be a good choice? If so, > is there a way to make floppies from the installation CD? I haven't > messed with OS/2 for a long time. Well, scratch the idea of OS/2; my CD has a big scratch in it and is unreadable. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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MCA SCSI 11H3600

by dittman＠dittman.net

I have an MCA SCSI adapter with IBM FRU 11H3600. All I've been able to find out is this is for either an RS/6000 or a PS/2, depending on the firmware. I can't find the reference disk on IBM's web or ftp site, and I can't find any way to tell which firmware is loaded without the reference disk. Can anyone help point me to the file? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

23 years, 11 months

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OT- Job Seeking

by rhudson＠cnonline.net

Hi, I was laid off last november and I am still looking for work. I am a novell network administrator, and help desk support person. I have some hardware experience as well. If the place where you work is hiring my sort of person, please let me know. I am also looking for any short term 'warm body' type job in the San Jose, Sunnyvale, MT. View area. Thanks! Sorry for the off topic....

23 years, 11 months

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Lawrence Walker [mailto:lgwalker@mts.net] > And actually force people to learn how to spell without the > use of a spell- > checker. I remember how aghast I was when I learned my sons school Well, in defense of poor spelling, there are more important things -- such as content -- especially on a friendly list such as this. After all, tripe is tripe, no matter how correct the spelling. :) > allowed the use of calculators in math exams. Right On, Fred. ... and in defense of calculators, it's certainly more important for one to learn the theoretical core of mathematics so that it can be applied to Real Life than to waste time calculating things which are practically useless. The actual calculation is generally a mundane, but necessary step. Provided that you know how it's supposed to work, you can always arrive at the correct answer given some amount of time, with or without a calculator. Please don't take this as a defense of the public school system, which doesn't truthfully teach anything. > I was going to > reply to this would-be hacker's input but brushed it off as > more juvenal crap. I was tempted to respond too, but -- and this is the whole problem with the message -- there was nothing to which one could respond. He may as well have said "test message -- please ignore." Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >Ahh -- so what _do_ you call a guy who hangs around with a bunch of > >musicians? > > A drummer of course (as an ex-percusionist, I heard this joke almost > daily) :-) What a relief- I've always heard that "singer" was the punch line... -dq p.s. Would Everyone Here Kindly Step to the Rear And let a TENOR lead the way...

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Golemancd(a)aol.com > i agree u shouldnt try and read it > ps notice no capitals and not punctuation If thumbing your nose at this group makes you feel better it might be to your advantage to find out why. Personally, I'm curious as to why anyone would intentionally make their postings harder to understand than they have to be. > doesnt matter anyway If our understanding your meaning doesn't matter, why post? > sometimes i forget that computer folks r technical people. > i come from the arts where the only thing that is needed is > understanding. Hmm, I always thought most "art" forms required a modicum of technical ability. > i am on stage sometimes and all the musicians do is > just nod or look at each other and everyone understands them. What you are referring to is called a "cue." A cue is not a spontaneous, mystical form of communication. It is something which is worked out in advance, during rehearsal, and it is expected by the recipient. An example would be a look from a guitarist to a keyboardist which carries the meaning, "I'm done with my variable-length solo, so you may now begin your solo." This may or may not be actually spoken of in rehearsal, but it is still an agreed-upon, precise form of communication which is worked out in advance of the actual performance. As for "understanding," precision in communication fosters better understanding. This has been the entire point of the "Centronics/Crescent wrench" thread. > will try and and be more precise. i guess here that is needed. I think most people here would be happy if you just were a little less sloppy in your presentation, so that we can get a better idea of what you're trying to say. And if we don't like what you're saying we can always call you an ASS and be done with it ;>) Glen 0/0

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Any AMIGA users?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > IRRELEVANT. > The discussion was how to make an Amiga disk using a PC. > It can not be done with the stock PC hardware. > Somebody said that it could be done with the stock PC, by using Linux. > THAT IS WRONG. Well, you don't have to shout. :) That statement would obviously be incorrect. (I admit that I missed this assertion the first time around) It can _possibly_ be done with a modified peesee, and it can probably be done with a couple of other machines unmodified (but still using linux and the normal floppy drivers). > The "standard linux floppy disk driver" will operate the > Catweasel card? > (It is NOT a floppy disk controller in terms of BIOS level > interaction.) I was under the impression that it would drive a catweasel card. I was not aware that the card was significantly different than other (normal peesee) floppy interfaces, though, so perhaps I got the wrong idea from somewhere. On the other hand, the linux "floppy driver" is, as I understand it, actually a collection of drivers, and the same code-base may actually be used to handle all manner of strange disk/drive setups. > Or > The "standard linux floppy disk driver" will do stuff that is > impossible > with the PC hardware, without needing the Catweasel? Obviously not. :) Well, not if you're running linux on "PC hardware." If you're running linux on, for instance, a Macintosh, it will read and write 400 and 800k mac disks, which is impossible on "PC hardware." ;) (Let's not get into that again, though...) > It WOULD be possible to write a floppy disk driver for Linux > that could > make use of the Catweasel. But it has, apparently NOT been done, and > therefore suggestions of USING that are inappropriate. True enough, and as I said, I've heard of no special catweasel driver; just that linux would operate the catweasel controller. Since I don't have a catweasel, I can't really verify that. > > Or ... one could write an amiga filesystem for linux. I actually > > wonder why this hasn't been done. > For use with linux on an Amiga? No, for use with hard disks, SCSI removable media, and the like, which could likely be transported without trouble. > Or are you trying to say that writing an amiga filesystem for > Linux, would > permit a PC running Linux to read and write Amiga disksettes without > special hardware? Well, for all I know, Amiga may have had a 1.44MB format which could work, but that's just a guess, based on the fact that Apple's works fine. > Could you also write one for NorthStar-DOS? (hard-sectored) Given a hard sectored drive, I would guess... (Or what about putting a soft-sector drive in the NorthStar?) It's a pretty normal format otherwise, right? > How about one for Apple-DOS? (GCR) That's more difficult. > How about one that reads 8" diskettes in a 5.25" drive? > (Maybe trimming > the edges, and not being able to read some outer tracks :-) Actually you might be able to get by with it in a high density drive, given some way of attaching the disk to the "spindle" of the drive, and provided that you didn't really want to keep the disk anyway (or possibly the drive!), and if you were willing to write mind-numbingly useless special-purpose software. Otherwise, I hear that CompatiCard will drive an 8" floppy ;) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printerfind

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> > Heh. Mexican speed wrench... Funny, I've always heard it referred to as a *Kentucky* speed wrench ;>) Glen 0/0

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Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by CLeyson＠aol.com

In a message dated 31/12/01 Tony Duell writes >> Most of the engineers I work with have never heard of Amphenol or Cannon, >Then I would suggest you're working with engineers who are not > particularly knowledgable about practical electronics. If they're (say) > mechanical engineers or civil engineers, then no problem. If they claim > to tbe electronic engineers I'd probably dispute that claim. I agree, last year they couldn't even build a set of LED Christmas tree lights without blowing them up, never heard of constant current drive !!! I'm not talking about graduates straight out of college but people who've been in industry for a few years. In the engineering department I work in there is only ONE other true practical engineer who lays out his own PCBs, is keen to learn about new and emerging technologies etc. He is, like myself, mostly self taught, and has a passion for this stuff - a rare breed these days. But there we are - pay peanuts and get monkies. > Far too many courses (in all aspects of science and engineering) miss out > the simple practical stuff. Without which the complicated stuff is essentially > useless.. Agreed, I believe any so called engineer should have a practical "hands on" experience in both hardware and software, after all if they don't understand the basics they are of little use. >> On the subject of D-sub connectors I've sometimes come across some with >> metric threaded jackscrews instead of the usual UNF thread, or is it UNC ? > I thought it was 4-40 UNC.... Thanks Tony, wasn't sure of the thread. > FWIW, the stnadard for HPIB jackscrews is M3.5 (metric). I've had to make > such parts on occasions. One HP manual I was reading recently said that > the instrument used metric screws on the connectors, and that a > conversion kit (presumably consisting of 2 jackscrews) was available for > converting older HPIB cables. So I assume that the original HPIB used UNC > jackscrews (probably 6-32). One day I will have to do a search for the original IEEE-488 standard just to see what they specify. I suspect that jackscrew threads are not part of the standard. Chris

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Pro380 question

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Since I've got a nice Pro380 with a few options, such as the > decna adapter, what would be the most flexible setup for this > machine? I'd really like to work with this machine but am not too > impressed with POS. > > Jeff You've got a DECNA for it? Wow! Lucky bum! I'd say your best choice for an OS would be RT-11 with the free TCP/IP stack. In fact I think that's about the only way you'll be able to use the DECNA interface. Zane

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Pro380 question

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> The DECNA isn't too useful outside of a DECnet then? Does > RT-11 support the RD-52? I know that the docs for Venix state that > there's a problem with using Venix and the RD-52 together. How hard > is it to get the RX-50 disks of RT-11 and to straighten out all the > licensing issues? Can you get DECnet for POS? Good luck getting it for RT-11, and even if you do, I don't know if it would support the DECNA. RT-11 shouldn't have any problem with RD52's. As for the RX50's of RT-11 and licensing issues, that's the tricky part. You probably don't want to know what a license costs. Zane

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Intel iPDS Archives accomplished

by dmabry＠mich.com

Well, I just wanted to thank you all for suggesting Teledisk and prodding me into setting up a system that will let me archive my iPDS (Intel Personal Development System) diskettes. As background, this computer uses a 96tpi, double sided 5.25" diskette drive. That amounts to approximately 640k of storage, without my calculating it exactly. Teledisk 2.12 works on that format using a 1.2M HD drive, and it seems to work perfectly. I made a system diskette image and recreated a workable diskette from the image. For me, finding a system with a 5.25" drive was the challenge. I realized in this process that I didn't have any at my house, but I had several old Zenith SupersPort, SupersPort 286, and SupersPort SX laptops. They can access an external drive and I had some Zenith external drives. Unfortunately Zenith never marketed anything but a 48tpi (360k Bytes) drive. Tonight I was able to figure out the jumpering for that drive and put a 1.2M HD drive into that package and make it work with Teledisk. In a former life I had used Teledisk and forgotten how useful it was. Anyway, the point of this post is to offer anyone who would like them images of system diskettes for the Intel iPDS. I have CP/M 2.2 straight >from Intel, CP/M 2.2 with my enhanced BIOS, ISIS-PDS (Intel's operating system), and many ISIS applications (like the EPROM software, IPPS). I would be happy to e-mail anyone the Teledisk images from anything that I have for that machine. Just ask me privately for what you'd like. I think I even have a CP/M Plus that I implemented for that system. All you would need is Teledisk and a system with a 1.2M HD drive to recreate bootable diskettes for the iPDS. And to Sellam, I know I told you I'd mail you diskettes. This is to ask if you'd prefer images. You'll get them faster. ;-) -- Dave Mabry dmabry(a)mich.com Dossin Museum Underwater Research Team NACD #2093

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Can a Mac create an AMIGA system disk?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> If a PC cannot, can a mac do it? I've got a performa or quadra just waiting > to do something here. No. However, a PC with a Catweasel board can. Zane

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Any AMIGA users?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Franchuk [mailto:bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca] > OK what was the AMIGA that ran both AMIGA and PC software ... (286 + > 68000 ) > cpu cards on a PC style box. Did that have a special software to write > PC disks? > I saw one once - but it was sure slow! That was the 2000, I think. Slow or not, I've been after one for a while, myself. :) Well, actually any amiga that's newer than my 1000... ;) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Any AMIGA users?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > Certainly the PC hardware, regardless of OS or other software > can NOT do > Amiga. > Can the Linux catweasel drivers actually use the catweasel as its disk > controller for the file system? Or is this an issue that the > catweasel > software (that does NOT work at a filesystem level) can also RUN under > linux? Right, but remember that linux won't run only on peesees. :) Linux on a power-mac (or amiga!) will likely produce bit-for-bit copies of amiga disks just fine. Also, I think it's the standard linux floppy disk driver, which is pretty flexible, and not a special "catweasel" driver, so it would be handled just the same as a standard floppy setup. So I guess you could write ext2 filesystems to 880k floppies if you want ;) Or ... one could write an amiga filesystem for linux. I actually wonder why this hasn't been done. > Has anybody, anywhere, EVER gotten a catweasel to work as a > controller to > do file system level operations? After this discussion, I'm tempted to get one and try. Too bad I can't afford it just now. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Can a Mac create an AMIGA system disk?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

If a PC cannot, can a mac do it? I've got a performa or quadra just waiting to do something here. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum/home of command central south www.nothingtodo.org

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SUN monitor cables

by darek-ss＠wp.pl

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Any AMIGA users?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 3, 13:12, Christopher Smith wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > > The "standard linux floppy disk driver" will operate the > > Catweasel card? > > (It is NOT a floppy disk controller in terms of BIOS level > > interaction.) > > I was under the impression that it would drive a catweasel card. I was not aware that the card was significantly different than other (normal peesee) floppy interfaces, though, so perhaps I got the wrong idea from somewhere. As far as I was able to determine, when I looked into this in the autumn, the only support for the Catweasel under Linux is via a special driver called cwfloppy, NOT the normal floppy driver. This works with Amiga disks (and has limited MS-DOS support) only, and only for the ISA version on x86 and Alpha machines. Quote from the Catweasel page, ISA version section: 'Writing to disks is only possible under Linux at the moment. The drivers are not designed to be easy-to-use. Instead, they are tools "for-freaks-only". You can read disk images from the formats listed above, and single files can be copied from Amiga, PC and C-64 disks.' If you look at the driver homepage, it doesn't even mention C-64 or disk images. There are some additional utilities to allow it to do things with TRS80 disks, though. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Dilog DQ614 diagnostics program first tests

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 3, 8:53, Ethan Dicks wrote: > Personally, I plan to pick something that is _not_ a drop-in replacement > for a DEC drive - I can format all sorts of stuff on an RQDX3, but it's > nice to stick to the right models when you can to make drive geometry > tables in the OS and/or drivers match. Sensible idea. And RQDX1/RQDX2 need the "right" drives; they do bizarre tests to see what they have connected (like stepping to illegal tracks) and won't work unless the drive matches something hardcoded into the RQDX "microcode". > Have you formatted this drive on another controller and scanned for > bad blocks? I know the RQDX3 has a "standard" way of handling them > (well... standard for the RQDX line), so I'm not sure there's a > "factory BBL" to reference Not on MFM/ST412-type drives, no. > or if there is, that the DQ614 does reference > it, but I would see if the drive passes a low-level format on something > else, perhaps a WD1003 in an old 486 that still has the format option > in the BIOS menu. You could also try it on a WX-1 with its BIOS > formatter (accessed through debug, typically). The DQ614P program should include several controller and drive exercises and tests, and a bad block (actually a bad track) utility. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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IMSAI HyperCube (Was: Re: Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainfu l employment)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> ObTopic: > http://www.scientificamerican.com/2001/0801issue/0801hargrove.html > Another Hybercube. Does anyone remeber that IMSAI seems to have been the first to do this, using the 8080? -dq

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Employment wanted...

by bills＠adrenaline.com

Sorry to spam the list, but the times demand... I'm a software engineer with 20 years professional experience. BS in computer science from the University of Maryland, College Park. Seeking embedded development work in the Washington, DC metro area. I know most 8-bit micros, several PICs, x86 and PPC-860/PPC-821. I think I have a reasonable command of real-time programming issues. Contact me off-list if you can help. Again, sorry... this came out of the blue. I figured my current employer would last until March. Thanks, Bill Sudbrink wh.sudbrink(a)verizon.net

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by Golemancd＠aol.com

i agree about the os but i dont agree on the attempt part dont attempt it. do it. a computer is not that complex of a machine at least a pc. an os is all theory and vision. u can think up an entire os away from any pc. u could then just go in and code the entire thing. the hard part is thinking up what it is that u want and how it has to work. the coding and so forth is the easy part. this is the exact project i am working on now joee

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! -----Original Message----- ! From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] ! ! ! On January 4, ysgdhio wrote: ! > > Insert drummer joke here. ! > ! > Q: How do you know when there's a drummer at your door? ! > A: The knocking keeps getting faster. ! ! AHEM. B-| ! ! -Dave, drummer ! ! -- ! Dave McGuire "Hey, who's that behind the band?" "Him? Yeah, he's thier drummer." "Oh. I thought they only let musicians in here..." --- David A Woyciesjes *** 5 string bass player *** --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Ahh -- so what _do_ you call a guy who hangs around with a bunch of >musicians? A drummer of course (as an ex-percusionist, I heard this joke almost daily) :-) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ' > -----Original Message----- > From: John Foust [mailto:jfoust@threedee.com] > And keep in mind that the musicians only *think* they're > communicating. :-) Insert drummer joke here. Ahh -- so what _do_ you call a guy who hangs around with a bunch of musicians? Regards, Chris

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Dilog DQ614 diagnostics program first tests

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 3, 11:51, Sergio Pedraja Cabo wrote: > I did the first tests with the DQ614P.SAV program and my Dilog DQ614 > MFM controller board. This board simulates up to four RL01/02 units > in one PDP-11 using one or two MFM hard disks. I am using: > [...] > * One Dilog DQ614 Revision S > * One Quantum MFM Hard Disk Q540 (Aka. RD52-A) > * RT-11 v.4 > * I assume the vector addresses of the unit is 174400 and 160. That should be correct, unless you have a non-standard PAL at U55 on the DQ614. > The software used is the DQ614P.SAV diagnostics program Revision 0, > and one DL.SYS driver that came with the DQ614P program. Why? Why don't you use the DL driver that came with the OS? The device drivers are OS-version-specific, and the driver I put up beside the formatter is for RT-11 5.04, which is different to RT-11 4.0. > Well, the program starts ok. There is no apparently problem with the > OS environment. It works with its DL.SYS module, with the own DL.SYS > module of the RT11 V.4, and without it too. > > The program startup and asks me if I'm working with a C.R.T (I assume > it speaks about a terminal). Yes, as Ethan said that just means a VDU as opposed to a printing terminal -- it affects how it treats the delete key, and in this case also affects whether it clears the screen; if you answer "N" to the CRT question, it won't print current cylinder addresses becasue the printout would consume a lot of paper. > Later the program asks me about the > access vector for the controller. By default it uses 174400 and 160 > values. I assume them too. The next step is to select one MFM hard disk. > My disk is the 73, one Quantum Q540. If the drive you want to use is not in the list, instead of typing a number >from the list, type "E". You'll then be prompted to enter number of heads, number of cylinders, RWCC (which the manual says isn't used), cylinder at whivch to start precompensation (also not used), and to pick a step rate >from a list. > Inmediately, the program permits > me to select how much DL disks I want to emulate. I can emulate two > RL02 and two RL01. The program asks me: "Are you sure ?". My answer is > yes. The process begins... and some seconds later, the program send me > a message telling: "UNEXPECTED RESPONSE IN ADDRESS 00000160 (sometimes > is the address 00000000). I've tried to change the cable selection, > the address selection, etc... In this case, the message tells me that > the unit can't be accessed. Sounds like you have the correct address and vector but something is generating spurious interrupts. Is there another RL controller in the system? Or something with a misconfigured vector? > Like a final indication, the Q540 hard disk have 5 jumpers named > DS1, DS2, DS3, DS4 and ^. Actually is selected the DS1. That should be right. Make sure you have the 20-pin cable on J2, not J3. Does the drive have a terminator? > What is wrong ? I suspect that the program must be the same revision > than the board (Revision "O" the program, revision "S" the board). I don't think so. The program came with a Rev.K board. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Nomenclature (was: Crescent wrenches

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

I use(d) that one. I believe it's short for 'diagonal cutters'. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: John Allain [mailto:allain@panix.com] ! ! ! Old Boss of mine called the larger triangular headed ! snippers (sim.: Xelite wire cutter) "Dykes". Any word ! on this... word. Is this a correct term? ! ! John A. !

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Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! -----Original Message----- ! From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] ! Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 10:05 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find ! ! ! > ! > ! > ! > > Mainly because people think it's just like a larger ! > > version of the DIY electric drill. ! > > right cutting angles on it) then the workpiece spins ! > > round and removes their fingers... ! > ! > ! > They can rip off a scalp too if you get long hair wrapped up ! > in them. ! ! That applies to lathes and milling machines too. It not a property of ! drill presses only, so it's not a reason why they're ! particularly dangerous. ! ! Anybody who has long hair (or loose clothing) near machine ! tools deserves ! all they get IMHO... ! ! -tony Well, anyone who doesn't pull thier long hair back under a good hat, that is. :) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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New art-form requires no precision (Was: Trailing-edge compute fa rm seeks gainful employment)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Golemancd(a)aol.com [mailto:Golemancd@aol.com] > sometimes i forget that computer folks r technical people. > i come from the arts where the only thing that is needed is > understanding. > i am on stage sometimes and all the musicians do is > just nod or look at each other and everyone understands them. > will try and and be more precise. i guess here that is needed. Ok, this will be slightly OT: Do you draw -- paint -- play music? What "arts" are these where precision is not needed? Being an artist and musician, myself, I would really like to know. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Kaypro PC?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Schaefer [mailto:rschaefe@gcfn.org] > I'm looking for info on one of these. I's some kind of XT > clone, with an > eight-bit passive backplane and an upgraded V20 on a CPU > card. It runs > MSDOS, and > currently boots into dosshell. A little googling turns up > numerous resumes > containing Kaypro PC, and a number of old classiccmp posts > regarding them, > but no real info. kaypro.com seems to be down ATM. I'd > especially like to > know what the switch and pushbutton on the back of the CPU > card do. IIRC > it's not a reset button, but I might be mis-remembering. Well, I have one of these. It was given to me a week ago. I have both the computer itself, and a kaypro monitor (in original box ;). No documentation or anything. Let me know if you find out anything interesting. I haven't tried powering it on yet. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Happy Holidays!

by vcf＠vintage.org

Happy Holidays! *<:) Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 4, ysgdhio wrote: > > Insert drummer joke here. > > Q: How do you know when there's a drummer at your door? > A: The knocking keeps getting faster. AHEM. B-| -Dave, drummer -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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