- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Heh, I second the kicking the guys' ass idea, especially if I could end up with the Varian.. I'd love a 2nd one, especially since his has a rack and everything! But just a reminder, don't go for the "bid tons o' cash on it" idea, since ebay bids are considered legally binding contracts... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Maybe OT: Network ethics

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>> For some ultra-secure type site, wiring the other two pairs to detect a >> connection, and or to deliver 48VDC (from a spare telephone switch >> supply) would deter all but the most determined. > >Or even have it so that unused RJ45 wall jacks are wired to a nearby >electric outlet. "Oh, you plugged into one of our proprietary power >ports...". I like this for the "teach them a lesson" factor... but if you are going to go thru the trouble of using custom patch cables... why not just use custom port connectors as well? Maybe something like the old 4 prong phone connectors (don't know the name... those 4 straight pin blocks old telco supplied phones used to have), or even something like a DIN connector. I don't know the electrical side of things though... so I don't know how bad this would screw up the cat rating for high speed connections. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Mac IIsi vs. IIci

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Let the Holy Wars commence! Seriously, I have a chance to trade some PC stuff for either a IIsi or a IIci. Both are barebones - no harddrives, adapters or RAM. Looking at LowEndMac and Apple support, I'm leaning toward the IIci, but I thought for once I'd take advice *before* the aquisition. It'll probably run either A/UX or Linux/m68k. My main concern is RAM. They'll both take <100ns 30-pin non-parity, right? Any other gotchas? Yes, I have a Nubus video card. Doc

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OT-My new toy. I can't wait!

by jrice＠texoma.net

I know this will be OT for a couple more years but I can't stand it. I'm sitting on the edge of my seat in anticipation of the arrival of my latest addition. I scored a dual 133 BeBox from ebay last week. One more line item marked off the must have list. I think it'll look cool sitting next to the Dimension cubes. I've got a 19" monitor all warmed up and waiting for it's arrival! BTW, does anyone know if a keyboard shipped with a BeBox, or whether it was a used supplied item? If it was shipped with one, does anyone know what mfg or model? I'm going to post this on usenet and on some BeBox forums, but thought one of you guys might know. James

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eBay: WOW L@@K R4R3 (no, really)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 3, Doc wrote: > > > You guys do realise that there's probably no recourse unless this > > > dunce cashes Mike's check, right? eBay *might* make him pull this > > > auction, but there's nothing to keep him from returning the deposit & > > > relisting in 2 weeks. > > > > Sure there is. I could fly up there and kick his ass. > > Dave, > You keep making me scare my cat. She hates you now. :) -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Mac IIsi vs. IIci

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> Seriously, I have a chance to trade some PC stuff for either a IIsi or >a IIci. Both are barebones - no harddrives, adapters or RAM. Looking >at LowEndMac and Apple support, I'm leaning toward the IIci, but I >thought for once I'd take advice *before* the aquisition. It'll >probably run either A/UX or Linux/m68k. > My main concern is RAM. They'll both take <100ns 30-pin non-parity, >right? Any other gotchas? Yes, I have a Nubus video card. Since you mention your main concern to be ram, the IIci is the better machine. It tops out at 128mb (8 x 16mb), vs the IIsi max of 17mb (4 x 4mb + 1mb on mobo), so if RAM really matters to you... the decision is clear. But for a quick run down: The IIci is going to be the better unit. It has 8 ram slots, and handles 16mb chips (IIsi has 4 slots, 4mb chip max). It also has 3 NuBus slots, along with built in video (so 3 usable slots... although you will probably fill one with an ethernet card). And it has 2 ADB ports (although for the most part, you will only ever need one, since the mouse will daisychain thru the keyboard, and you can always get an ADB splitter if you need an extra with the IIsi). Oh, and the IIci is 5Mhz faster (25 vs 20 for the IIsi), and all IIci units have the FPU (IIsi it was optional, and most did NOT have it, but many right angle adaptors had it installed). The IIsi is only better in my book in two repsects. 1: it is slightly smaller, 2: the single slot is a combo NuBus/PDS slot, so you have an option of what to add (but in my experience, most cards that were PDS were also available as NuBus... but NOT the other way around, there are a number of video boards that were NuBus only). Oh yeah... the IIsi has a mic port, the IIci does not. So if you don't need the PDS slot, and don't care about shaving a few inches off the height, and don't need a microphone... the IIci is the far better machine. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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eBay: WOW L@@K R4R3 (no, really)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 3, Doc wrote: > > I think this is a case of someone not knowing what he had on his hands and > > then realizing he could make quite a bit of money, and acted completely > > unethically about it (I have nothing to complain about, but Mike surely > > does). > > You guys do realise that there's probably no recourse unless this > dunce cashes Mike's check, right? eBay *might* make him pull this > auction, but there's nothing to keep him from returning the deposit & > relisting in 2 weeks. Sure there is. I could fly up there and kick his ass. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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BYTE magazine

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 3, Gareth Knight wrote: > > Hi folks. Some time ago, I found an online archive of scans of the > > front covers of every issue of BYTE magazine. > > Google has come up with loads of Byte covers. I know it isn't as organized > as a specific site but it may be helpful. > http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=%2Bbyte+%2Bmagazine Interesting; I've never played with google's image search stuff...I'm gonna page through that a bit and see if anything turns up. Thanks! -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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BYTE magazine

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 3, Ben Franchuk wrote: > > Hi folks. Some time ago, I found an online archive of scans of the > > front covers of every issue of BYTE magazine. Now I'd very much like > > to look at that again, but I can't seem to find it...searching BYTE's > > web site, and a little googling, have turned up nothing. Does anyone > > know where that might be found? > > I want the whole magazine scanned.:( > All I have seen on BYTE is the artist of the BYTE covers selling prints > of the covers for several $100's each. Yeah. I'm trying to find a copy of the very first issue of BYTE that I got my hands on...I think it was sometime in 1980. I don't remember any of the articles or what was on the cover, but if I were to see a scan of the cover or read mention of the cover stories it'd probably jog my memory. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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DOS software for the cost of shipping!

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hello People, I put these two PFS software packages on Ebay, but they didn't go. So I'll offer them here. They're in excellent condition. Here is the Ebay url, if you'd like to read more. I didn't put a picture up, sorry. I'll give them away for the cost of shipping. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1319165885&r=0&t=0&s… Please respond off list. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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Sony OA-D32W Floppy

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

At what RPM does a normal PC 3.5" run? If they run at a different RPM I suppose that would make the drives incompatable as a replacement. >From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > >If it's the one that I think that it is (flaky memory of stuff from long >ago), then it runs at 600 RPM. Until closing my office a few years ago, >I had a service manual for them. I can look; with about a 1 in 10 chance >of finding it. > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Sony OA-D32W Floppy

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

Does anyone have any info on Sony OA-D32W 3.5" floppies? In particular the one I have is a model OA-D32W-11 with a broken head. This was in an HP Integral PC. I don't suppose there is much hope of finding a working replacement. It has a 26-pin connector. Any chance a standard 34-pin PC 3.5" floppy could be wired up to the 26-pin interface and made to work as a replacement? _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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N* MDS-AD3 disassembly (LONG!)

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

I'm working on putting a diskette on my SOL and getting CP/M running on it. Anyway, from what I can tell, it seems that a NorthStar MDS-AD3 is a controller commonly found in a SOL. I've acquired one and I'm in the process of checking it out. I dumped the boot ROM and it doesn't look anything like what's on Jim Battle's page. So I have hand disassembled it (see below) and it does make sense, it is all 8080 instructions. I don't know the history of this board, so it may have come out of a Northstar Horizon. I have two questions: 1) Does this disassembly look reasonable? 2) Will this run on a 2MHz 8080 (SOL) as opposed to a 4MHz Z80 (Horizon)? Slightly odd format disassembly follows: ; NOTES: 1) The address/hex values are correct ; (columns 0-15) ; 2) I think the instructions are correct ; (columns 17-29) ; 3) The comments are my best guess ; ; I'm particularly concerned about the timing loops ; around addresses E86A and E897. ; Also, will the read loops at E8B5 and E8BF be fast ; enough? E800 0E 0A MVI C, 0AH ; total number of retries (10) E802 3A 15 EB LDA EB15 ; controller command 15H: ; get A status, turn on motors E805 16 30 MVI D, 30H ; parameter to function call: ; number of sectors to wait (48) E807 21 0D E8 LXI H, E80D ; store return address in H, L E80A C3 D3 E8 JMP E8D3 ; "call" function to wait for D sectors E80D 3A 01 EA LDA EA01 ; controller order 01H: ; single density, ; side 0, ; step direction out, ; head step signal low, ; select drive 1 E810 21 16 E8 LXI H, E816 ; store return address in H, L E813 C3 4D E8 JMP E84D ; "call" function to wait for 2 sectors E816 06 0C MVI B, 0CH ; loop counter, loop 12 times E818 21 1E E8 LXI H, E81E ; store return address in H, L E81B C3 D1 E8 JMP E8D1 ; "call" function to wait for 1 sector E81E 3A 10 EB LDA EB10 ; controller command 10H: ; get A status, no command E821 E6 40 ANI 40H ; is the index flag bit set? E823 C2 2D E8 JNZ E82D ; jump if we got the index flag E826 05 DCR B ; decrement the loop count E827 C2 18 E8 JNZ E818 ; try again if there are tries remaining E82A C3 2A E8 JMP E82A ; STOP HERE!!!! loop here forever ; the following three instructions step the head in one track E82D 3A 21 EA LDA EA21 ; controller order 21H ; single density, ; side 0, ; step direction in, ; head step signal low, ; select drive 1 E830 3A 31 EA LDA EA31 ; controller order 21H ; single density, ; side 0, ; step direction in, ; head step signal high, ; select drive 1 E833 3A 21 EA LDA EA21 ; controller order 21H ; single density, ; side 0, ; step direction in, ; head step signal low, ; select drive 1 E836 C3 4A E8 JMP E84A ; jump to loop bottom E839 3A 20 EB LDA EB20 ; controller command 20H: ; get B status, no operation E83C E6 01 ANI 01H ; is the track zero flag bit set E83E C2 52 E8 JNZ E852 ; if we're on track zero, ; jump out of the step out loop ; the following three instructions step the head out one track E841 3A 01 EA LDA EA01 ; controller order 01H ; single density, ; side 0, ; step direction out, ; head step signal low, ; select drive 1 E844 3A 11 EA LDA EA11 ; controller order 01H ; single density, ; side 0, ; step direction out, ; head step signal high, ; select drive 1 E847 3A 01 EA LDA EA01 ; controller order 01H ; single density, ; side 0, ; step direction out, ; head step signal low, ; select drive 1 E84A 21 39 E8 LXI H, E839 ; load return address to above address ; (pretty funky, implements loop) E84D 16 02 MVI D, 02H ; parameter to function call: ; number of sectors to wait (2) E84F C3 D3 E8 JMP E8D3 ; "call" function to wait for D sectors ; we're now on track zero E852 21 58 E8 LXI H, E858 ; load return address in H, L E855 C3 D1 E8 JMP E8D1 ; "call" function to wait for 1 sector E858 3A 35 EB LDA EB35 ; controller command 35H: ; get C status, turn on motors E85B E6 0F ANI 0FH ; mask off the sector counter E85D FE 04 CPI 04H ; are we on sector 4? E85F C2 52 E8 JNZ E852 ; loop to look for sector 4 E862 3A 10 EB LDA EB10 ; controller command 10H: ; get A status, no operation E865 E6 04 ANI 04H ; see if read enabled (phase locked loop?) E867 CA 62 E8 JZ E862 ; loop while we can't read E86A 3E 09 MVI A, 09H ; timing loop counter E86C 3D DCR A ; decrement timing loop counter E86D C2 6C E8 JNZ E86C ; timing loop jump E870 3A 10 EB LDA EB10 ; controller command 10H: ; get A status, no operation E873 E6 20 ANI 20H ; is the double density flag bit set E875 C2 97 E8 JNZ E897 ; jump if we're double density ; the following three instructions step the head in one track E878 3A 21 EA LDA EA21 E87B 3A 31 EA LDA EA31 E87E 3A 21 EA LDA EA21 E881 21 87 E8 LXI H, E887 ; set the return address E884 C3 4D E8 JMP E84D ; "call" the function to wait for two sectors E887 21 8D E8 LXI H, E88D ; set the return address E88A C3 D1 E8 JMP E8D1 ; "call" the function to wait for 1 sector E88D 3A 35 EB LDA EB35 ; controller command 35H: ; get C status, turn on motors E890 E6 0F ANI 0FH ; mask off the sector counter E892 FE 08 CPI 08H ; are we on sector 8? E894 C2 87 E8 JNZ E887 ; loop to look for sector 8 E897 06 8C MVI B, 8CH ; loop count to skip header block (140) E899 11 40 EB LXI D, EB40 ; load D and E with controller command 40H: ; read data, no operation E89C 3A 10 EB LDA EB10 ; controller command 10H: ; get A status, no operation E89F 0F RRC ; rotate the body flag bit into the carry flag E8A0 DA AE E8 JC E8AE ; jump if we're in the body E8A3 05 DCR B ; decrement loop counter E8A4 C2 9C E8 JNZ E89C ; check for the body again E8A7 0D DCR C ; decrement the number of major retries and... E8A8 C2 2D E8 JNZ E82D ; start the whole thing again if we have any retries left E8AB C3 AB E8 JMP E8AB ; STOP HERE!!!! loop here forever E8AE 1A LDAX D ; read a byte into A (read command loaded into D, E above) E8AF 67 MOV H, A ; move the read byte into H E8B0 2E 01 MVI L, 01H : set L to 1 E8B2 77 MOV M, A ; store the read byte into <byte>01H (overwritten by E8B6) E8B3 07 RLC ; start calculating the check character E8B4 47 MOV B, A ; store the check character in B E8B5 1A LDAX D ; read the next byte E8B6 77 MOV M, A ; store the byte E8B7 A8 XRA B ; continue check character calc E8B8 07 RLC ; continue check character calc E8B9 47 MOV B, A ; store the check character in B E8BA 2C INR L ; increment memory address E8BB C2 B5 E8 JNZ E8B5 ; reading all 256 bytes (loop if more) E8BE 24 INR H ; next 256 bytes... E8BF 1A LDAX D ; read the next byte E8C0 77 MOV M, A ; store the byte E8C1 A8 XRA B ; continue check character calc E8C2 07 RLC ; continue check character calc E8C3 47 MOV B, A ; store the check character in B E8C4 2C INR L ; increment memory address E8C5 C2 BF E8 JNZ E8BF ; reading all 256 bytes (loop if more) E8C8 1A LDAX D ; read the check character E8C9 A8 XRA B ; compare to what we calculated E8CA C2 A7 E8 JNZ E8A7 ; retry the whole thing if we fail ; read success, jump into the code E8CD 25 DCR H ; back to the first 256 bytes E8CE 2E 0A MVI L, 0AH ; offset 10 E8D0 E9 PCHL ; jump to the read code ; the following code watches sectors go by E8D1 16 01 MVI D, 01H ; wait for 1 sector E8D3 3A 11 EB LDA EB11 ; controller command 11H: get A status, reset sector flag E8D6 3A 10 EB LDA EB10 ; controller command 10H: get A status, no operation E8D9 B7 ORA A ; set flags E8DA F2 D6 E8 JP E8D6 ; loop if the sector flag status bit is not set E8DD 15 DCR D ; decrement the loop count E8DE 3A 11 EB LDA EB11 ; controller command 11H: get A status, reset sector flag E8E1 C2 D3 E8 JNZ E8D3 ; loop if the loop count is not zero E8E4 E9 PCHL ; return (sort of) ; extra? E8E5 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 E8F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 E1 E9

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Mac IIsi vs. IIci

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>> Ok... then it isn't a "PDS" slot in the generally sold PDS slot card >> world sense. > >Not true, because IIsis have their own type of PDS slot too (which is >compatible with the SE/30) and there are cards for those. > >The LCs are most notorious^Winfamous^Wnoted for having a PDS slot as their >primary means of expansion, but unique PDS slots are in other units. It's >just that the IIci's PDS slot is particularly underutilised because of all >its other expansion options. Oh, I agree... there are a number of different PDS slots for the Mac. I was just saying that generally speaking, if you see an item sold saying it is a "PDS" card, and nothing more... it *usually* means it is for the LC PDS, which is the PDS style found in/compatible with most of the macs that have a PDS slot. But like I said, if you are buying a PDS card for your mac... it is always best to make sure it will work with the style PDS you have... and not just assume that PDS means ALL PDS, or that unlabled PDS means LC PDS. I mean heck, off the top of my head, I can think of 7 different PDS slot styles. LC, LC3, SE, SE30, IIsi, 040, and PPC. And that doesn't count what might be odd PDS styles like the IIci Cache slot (I suspect other machines are like that as well, like the PM 6500 that the G3 upgrade fits in the Cache slot). And there may be more (this is just off the cuff). To add to confusion, some of these are compatible with each other (like LC/LC3, and SE30/IIsi), and then things like the 040 and PPC have almost no cards that work nativly with them, but rather expect an adaptor card to connect to the mobo slot. Yeah... Mac PDS is a fun world. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Large ESDI Disks

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:24:22 +0000 jpero(a)sympatico.ca writes: > The biggest ESDI HD I have currently; 1.3GB and second biggest is > 800MB (working w/ ultrastor U24F. Problem is with that Micropolis > 1.3GB ESDI I couldn't get it LLF'ed w/ Ultrastor U24F, I think > something is not set right despite that card supports 2048 cyls. > Help? This is the single biggest problem (that I've seen) with ESDI drives over 800MB: These suckers run with a 24MHz data rate. There are only two ISA controllers (that I know of) that can handle these: The WD-1009, and the Ultrastor 12F-24. I purchased a WD-1009 over the holidays, but haven't had the opportunity to test it. There are two versions of the WD-1009: One with a BIOS and one without. The ones without are utterly *worthless* (unless you're using it in a Compaq DeskPro that supports it). I don't even want to talk about the 12F-24. These things are so rare, I've seen maybe one or perhaps two offered on E-Pay in the past four years. Q-Bus 24MHz controllers are far more common, but troublesome to obtain nonetheless. I was extremely surprised that ESDI's are still being made (albeit for 'commercial' applications). Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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SUN SCSI vs non-SUN?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 3, Russ Blakeman wrote: > I was basically making sure that Sun SCSI was usable in other SCSI > applications, that they hadn't made them proprietary in some way. Nope, you're in the clear there. Sun's SCSI is very much standard, ordinary SCSI, and Sun systems have no [unimagined] unusual requirements for their SCSI drives. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Mac IIsi vs. IIci

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>It is, in fact, just a PDS slot. :-) Like all PDS slots, it is specific >to its model. > >Unlike the various PDS-slot-only Macs, since the IIci has plenty of NuBus >slots, the only things made for the IIci PDS are the cache cards and >processor upgrades (well, that I've ever seen). Ok... then it isn't a "PDS" slot in the generally sold PDS slot card world sense. Generally, an unspecified PDS slot refers to an LC PDS slot, otherwise it usually specifies that it is an SE PDS, a whatever PDS. (but that is a "generally" concept so when buying a PDS card, it is always good make sure it will work with the machine you have in mind) With that in mind, I would not count on the IIci as having a PDS slot, simply because it will be unlikely to find anything other than a cache card that fits it. At least if it was a more standard LC PDS, you could toss an ethernet card in there, keeping all 3 NuBus free for use. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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eBay: WOW L@@K R4R3 (no, really)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 3, Mike wrote: > > I almost soiled my pants when I saw this. I am not affiliated with the > > seller. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2000676134 > > Warning. There may be some legal entanglements here. This seller (Jerry > Williams) agreed to sell me these systems over negotiations last week and, > asked me to send in a deposit check which I did, and since then I have not > been able to get any response from him. 2 days later, he starts this > auction. I'm about to contact Ebay's Fraud unit and any other fly ointment > I might be able apply. That dickhead... Heh, you too, huh? I had a deal with him last week ("deal" meaning I had already written him a check and was waiting for him to email me his mailing address), then he asked me if I could give him more $$$ because he was getting other offers. I am REALLY pissed off at this asshole. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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SUN SCSI vs non-SUN?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 2, Russ Blakeman wrote: > Here's a question for you SUn people - if I have a HP/Seagate ST19171WC SCA > hard drive in my server and found some drives that are Sun/Seagate ST19171WC > SCA drives, is there anything different int he Sun, ie they should work in > my HP server despite them being made for Sun by Seagate right? Just checking > and I'm guessing that they are exactly the same just labeled for the OEM by > Seagate and the firmware showing either HP or Sun when they show up in > various HD utilities. > > Thanks in advance for the help, I'm just making sure I didn't do too much > acid in the 60's (no wait I was only 13 in 69...that doesn't work) That whole "standard interfaces" thing makes this easy...just plug it in and all should be well. Some vendors (Auspex comes to mind) use custom firmware but I've never seen it make the drive incompatible with something else that speaks standard SCSI. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Multitech/Acer/Flite Micro-Professor MPF-1B manuals WTD

by philpem＠btinternet.com

Hi, After a very kind person (thanks Lee) sent me a copy of the schematics for the Multitech MPF-1B, I've managed to make a rudimentary (but realistic) MPF-1B emulator. Only problem now is, I can't test all the features because I don't have a manual! Could someone please scan the manual set for the Multitech/Acer (sold by Flite Electronics in the UK) Micro-Professor MPF-1 (not the MPF-1 Plus, that's a different machine altogether - the MPF-1B has 6x 7-segment red LED displays, the MPF-1 Plus has a green VFD display) or MPF-1B? Thanks. -- Phil. philpem(a)bigfoot.com http://www.philpem.btinternet.co.uk/

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SUN SCSI vs non-SUN?

by rhblakeman＠kih.net

Here's a question for you SUn people - if I have a HP/Seagate ST19171WC SCA hard drive in my server and found some drives that are Sun/Seagate ST19171WC SCA drives, is there anything different int he Sun, ie they should work in my HP server despite them being made for Sun by Seagate right? Just checking and I'm guessing that they are exactly the same just labeled for the OEM by Seagate and the firmware showing either HP or Sun when they show up in various HD utilities. Thanks in advance for the help, I'm just making sure I didn't do too much acid in the 60's (no wait I was only 13 in 69...that doesn't work)

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paging Daniel Seagraves

by dpeschel＠eskimo.com

Daniel, I sent mail to your TOAD acount and I was wondering if you got it. Or if you could take a look at the "any tools for analyzing PDP-10 code?" thread on CLASSICCMP, that amounts to the same thing. Thanks, -- Derek

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Large ESDI Disks

by ken＠seefried.com

From: Julius Sridhar <vance(a)ikickass.org> > >There are still ESDI disks being made. I think the biggest one >right now is 3.04 GB. > Who makes them? Ken

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Maybe OT: Network ethics

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 2, Jeff Hellige wrote: > > I guess my opinion, which isn't very popular here, is that unless > >permission has been explicitly given, one should not assume permission > >to a local LAN, or internet access through the LAN. I do recognize that > >my position is due to working frequently at secured sites. One such > >facility, in San Antonio, prohibits ANY access to their network by > >non-employees. Contractors must tell a technician what commands to > >enter, and which buttons to click. > > I agree with the above. Nobody should ever just assume it is > ok to do whatever they wish on somebody elses network withouth > getting explicit permission first. I have similar problems with > contractors in a similar secure building. If for no other reason > than it is bad etiquette to impose yourself into someone elses area > without permission to do so. However, the admin must assume that someone WILL just walk in and do whatever they wish, when the admin least expects it...some people do it because they're assholes, some just do it without thinking because they weren't raised to have any manners. One must strive to make the network resilient to such crap. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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OLD RAM and board clearance

by kenziem＠sympatico.ca

Of of my local resellers (Ottawa Canada == Canadian dollars!) is moving and clearing out old stock. They can be reached at ellfin@<NOSPAM>brookecliff.com 72 pin simms. Min lot 100 pieces please. 250 8mb 60 ns 300 4mb 60 ns 300 plus 1 mb (great keychains) CPU's 250 486 SX-25 (min lot 100) 30 486 DX33 (min lot 30) 10 486 DX2 -66 (min lot 10) Not sure if anyone here has any use for these. Make us an offer we can;t understand. Thanks Will sell in min lots only no ones or twos please - thanks

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Looking for a WD 1001 55 Disk controller

by mhstein＠canada.com

Sounds similar to the one I've got; it does have provision for four data cables, but only two have connectors installed. So what does this 40 pin host connector connect to? And what happened to the person who started this thread? Was he looking for a chip or a board? mike --------------Original Message------------ From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> Subject: Re: Looking for a WD 1001 55 Disk controller The WD 1001-55 (the "BIG" version) had four data cable connectors, IIRC. In fact, it didn't look very different from the 1000-55 at all. Both of those boards used the 8X300/305 (depending on version) and the WD1100 chipset. I had the datasheet for that board in my hands less than two hours ago, but don't now remember where ... <sigh> another senior moment, I guess. The small versions (1000-05, etc) used the WD1010 chip and a couple of others. They do seem to be pretty much interchangeable, though. My own WD 1000-55 board had a 50-pin connector rather than a 40-pin host connector. The extra signals were just ground and power, though. The ones I've kept only have the 40-pin host connector, which makes them all compatible at the interface. Dick

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Maybe OT: Network ethics

by jfoust＠threedee.com

>> Or even have it so that unused RJ45 wall jacks are wired to a nearby >> electric outlet. "Oh, you plugged into one of our proprietary power >> ports...". Wow, you guys really have that sysadmin attitude down pat. "Let's make a button called 'Push Me' and make it destroy their laptop. After all, the Policy Book says 'Don't Push Me.'" Non-technical users will always put square pegs in square holes. - John

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Maybe OT: Network ethics

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 2, 23:54, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote: > On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Tothwolf wrote: > > > For some ultra-secure type site, wiring the other two pairs to detect a > > connection, and or to deliver 48VDC (from a spare telephone switch > > supply) would deter all but the most determined. > > Or even have it so that unused RJ45 wall jacks are wired to a nearby > electric outlet. "Oh, you plugged into one of our proprietary power > ports...". :-) You would have a serious liability problem with that. Damage to equipment, fire hazard, danger to personnel (including authorised personnel who have to use patch panels etc), and at least here it would be illegal as the low-voltage RJ45 sockets, cabling, etc, don't meet insulation and protection requirements. > Or use (or invent, if they do not exist) wall jack panels that have a > lockable metal door. They do exist, but are expensive, and you need to fix the PC end too. Anyway, people just leave them unlocked. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Maybe OT: Network ethics

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 2, 23:45, Doc wrote: > On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > > > How about using DHCP to ground them? As in: > > - all machines legitimately using the network are known as well as > > their ethernet addresses, > > - assign all those legitimate machines an (basically fixed) IP via > > DHCP, > > - for all unregistered machines, offer them IP addresses in the > > 127.0.0.0 range as well as themself as their default router and other > > stuff to make their network connection a notwork connection > > I kind of like that! No! I *REALLY* like it! Have you tested this? Yes, it works. But it's not sufficient, in the sense that it only stops those who use DHCP. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Maybe OT: Network ethics

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 2, 22:38, Tothwolf wrote: > Of course, there is a conceptually simple way to prevent 99.9% of people > from accessing a lan in this kind of situation. Wire the wall-mounted RJ45 > jacks to use the normally unused pairs for TX/RX, and use custom made > patch cables to connect to the computer's NIC. For some ultra-secure type > site, wiring the other two pairs to detect a connection, and or to deliver > 48VDC (from a spare telephone switch supply) would deter all but the most > determined. We've actually investigated this :-) I'll merely say that it will work, but only where the socket on the PC's NIC is physically inaccessible, such as in the case of our classroom PCs which are mounted in stell cuffs. Otherwise, of course, the miscreant simply unplugs the PC end of the patch cable. There are some liability issues too (post a warning notice). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Sony OA-D32W Floppy

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 2, 19:55, Glen Slick wrote: > Does anyone have any info on Sony OA-D32W 3.5" floppies? In particular the > one I have is a model OA-D32W-11 with a broken head. This was in an HP > Integral PC. I don't suppose there is much hope of finding a working > replacement. It has a 26-pin connector. Any chance a standard 34-pin PC > 3.5" floppy could be wired up to the 26-pin interface and made to work as a > replacement? No, not straight off. I'm looking at the service manual for an OA-D31V which is an earlier version of that. It's a 600rpm drive, and normal PC floppies are 300rpm. Apart from that, it would work, so if you could persuade the PC controler to work at 2x the data rate, it should work. The pinout for the connector is: 1 /MOTOR ON 2 /DS0 3 GND 4 /DS1 5 GND 6 /DIR IN 7 GND 8 /STEP 9 GND 10 /WR DATA 11 GND 12 /WR GATE 13 GND 14 /HD LOAD 15 GND 16 /SIDE SEL 17 GND 18 /INDEX 19 GND 20 /TRK 0 21 GND 22 /WRT PROT 23 GND 24 /READ DATA 25 GND 26 /READY -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Maybe OT: Network ethics

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 2, 22:58, jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote: > Psst... I noticed something. > > > into random ports. We don't allow students to plug in laptops; there's > > normally no need as we provide a large number of PCs on 24-hour 364-day > > access. > > Except for that day out of 365 days? :-) That's Christmas Day, when the whole University is closed; there are no students or staff on campus (except Security). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Maybe OT: Network ethics

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 2, 22:39, Dave McGuire wrote: > On February 3, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > Even on a switched network. Case in point: a couple of weeks ago, someone > > plugged an unauthorised laptop (we assume) into our student network. We > > surmise that it was misconfigured, it acted as a DHCP server, and gave out > > a lot of spurious DHCP responses. Not pretty. > > Eeeeeek. Sounds like someone who needs to have his fingers broken! Maybe only one finger -- he didn't *mean* to cause any trouble ;-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Bondwell

by vcf＠vintage.org

The Bondwell laptop is gone :( -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Maybe OT: Network ethics

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>like walking into someone else's house for the >first time and helping yourself to whatever's in the fridge. My mom >taught me you just don't DO stuff like that...but some people just >seem to do it anyway. :-( Hey... I have to keep my door locked because a friend of mine does this! If I don't keep the door locked, he will just stop by from time to time, walk in, and help himself to food... then sit down and watch TV, usually without even saying hello!!! (yeah, yeah, some friend right) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Maybe OT: Network ethics

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> I guess my opinion, which isn't very popular here, is that unless >permission has been explicitly given, one should not assume permission >to a local LAN, or internet access through the LAN. I admit, I am guilty of this. One two different occasions, I was renting room space in a hotel/conference center (no, not a sleeping room, but a meeting room), and I plugged my mac laptop into their marked ethernet jacks, and used DHCP to gain access, and get out to the internet... and no, I was not paying for (nor was charged for) use of it (yes, it was an extra fee if I "officially" wanted to use it). I'm a baaaad boy Abbot -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Freight/shipping company recommendations?

by vaxzilla＠jarai.org

I'm looking for referrals to any decent shipping companies people here have dealt with in the past. Preferably, ones who can deal with the transportation of "obsolete" computer equipment within the continental U.S. I've got a lead on a couple of moderate sized computer systems, about 2.25ft x 4.20ft x 5ft in size, and probably around 800lbs each. (The weight is just a guess.) I'd need door-to-door service on this one. Someone who can pick them up at a loading dock, and wheel them into a a garage for me on the other end. -brian.

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Maybe OT: Network ethics

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 2, Jeff Hellige wrote: > True. I was looking at it from the point as to whether it > was ok for someone to do it at all, regardless of what thier motives > might be behind it or whether the network was secure enough to handle > it if someone did happen to do so. With our LAN for instance, we Well don't take my first comment the wrong way...it's certainly RUDE at the very least...like walking into someone else's house for the first time and helping yourself to whatever's in the fridge. My mom taught me you just don't DO stuff like that...but some people just seem to do it anyway. :-( > don't enable or allow DHCP at all...everyone is on static IP > addresses. We're always having to track down conflicts though > because there's a small group within the building that think they can > do whatever they wish. Sounds like it's time to break some fingers. I've been saying that a lot lately. I wonder if I'm becoming less tolerant of others. Nah. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Maybe OT: Network ethics

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 2, 20:50, Dave McGuire wrote: > On February 2, Doc Shipley wrote: > > This is sort of a sanity check. I'm putting the question here because > > of the cumulative years of professional experience here, as well as an > > "international" perspective. > > > > How would you react to a guest in your (not normally open to the > > public) building plugging a computer into a random ethernet port and > > asking for a DHCP lease? Is there any non-emergency consideration that > > would make that appropriate? No, not on my network. At least, not unless they ask first. I've had to deal with this a few times, sometimes from students, once or twice from staff, and a few times from visitors. They wouldn't get a DHCP lease, but they might try to "borrow" an address. They're usually very surprised when someone turns up within a few minutes and asks what they're doing. > In a well-designed network, I wouldn't worry too much about it. On > an unswitched network with unencrypted root passwords floating around, > though, I'd have...erm, "issues" with it. Even on a switched network. Case in point: a couple of weeks ago, someone plugged an unauthorised laptop (we assume) into our student network. We surmise that it was misconfigured, it acted as a DHCP server, and gave out a lot of spurious DHCP responses. Not pretty. We've noticed a lot of problems with misconfigured Windows 2000 machines in particular, and do not permit unauthorised machines on our net for that reason, amongst others. And we can enforce it -- technically, it's theft. Also consider what could happen if someone plugged in a machine and masqueraded as a trusted host. We have facilites to provide addresses to genuine visitors and to protect them from our users and v.v. We don't allow people to plug random things into random ports. We don't allow students to plug in laptops; there's normally no need as we provide a large number of PCs on 24-hour 364-day access. > You bring up an interesting point, however. A good (if somewhat > simplistic) goal for the security of a network might be to say if > you'd be nervous about someone doing this, then you still have things > left to fix. :) Agreed. But there's always something left to fix :-( -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Maybe OT: Network ethics

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 2, 20:25, Doc wrote: > A little amplification - > The building in question is a secured building. Guests are required > to log in & out, and rooms other than snack area & restrooms are locked. > It is a government building. Space is donated to a local computer > group. A member of that group simply plugged into the local LAN. The > building's rep did state that the port should not have been left hot, > and nobody has admitted, or claimed, that the member did anything but > access the internet. Doesn't matter. A large proportion of computer misuse (figures vary, but pretty well everyone agrees that they're significant) is from inside, in any sizable organisation. Suppose someone else was up to no good, the visiting machine was insecure (highly probable), and was spotted by a scanner. It becomes a gateway. > I guess my opinion, which isn't very popular here, is that unless > permission has been explicitly given, one should not assume permission > to a local LAN, or internet access through the LAN. You won't get any argument against that from me :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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cheap 16MB 30-pin RAM on eBay

by Richard.Sandwell＠roebry.co.uk

>>On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Geoff Reed wrote: >> I've dealt with Sunguk many times and he's a stand up guy, the 1 time I >> got a bad Dimm from him for my sp[arc ultra he refunded the $ to me with no >> problems. And Doc Opined :- > Yeah, I read through the negatives, and they all had the same flavor. >Mostly it seems Mr. Sunguk doesn't babysit. I wasn't so worried that I >refrained from buying. I wouldn't try it on most PC's though. Every PC >I've had that took 30-pin SIMMs wanted parity. Was that the norm, or my >luck? You are right, Sunguk doesn't suffer fools. He is however very good - one of the positives is from me - I bought 128mb of Sparc5 Ram (that rare-ish 5volt Dimm stuff) from him a few months back and he made an exception and shipped internationally. Question is - does my '030 Cube take parity or non-parity.....eek! I used to know this... //Rich Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent by: cc: owner-classiccmp@cla Subject: Re: cheap 16MB 30-pin RAM on eBay ssiccmp.org 02/02/2002 02:52 Please respond to classiccmp Doc

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Maybe OT: Network ethics

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 3, Pete Turnbull wrote: > Even on a switched network. Case in point: a couple of weeks ago, someone > plugged an unauthorised laptop (we assume) into our student network. We > surmise that it was misconfigured, it acted as a DHCP server, and gave out > a lot of spurious DHCP responses. Not pretty. Eeeeeek. Sounds like someone who needs to have his fingers broken! -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Maybe OT: Network ethics

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 2, 20:50, Chris wrote: > > How would you react to a guest in your (not normally open to the > >public) building plugging a computer into a random ethernet port and > >asking for a DHCP lease? Is there any non-emergency consideration that > >would make that appropriate? > > I think that all has to do with WHO the guest is, and WHY they plugged in. > > My network (and building) is normally closed to the public, but when we > have clients in, and they bring their laptops, I generally allow them > access to use printers, or gain internet access. But then, this is > something that I plan to offer, so I actually have DHCP services > specifically for this (and keep the rest of the network locked down to > prevent them from wandering). So maybe I'm not as closed as you are. In very broad terms, we do the same -- by arrangement. However, it's one thing to make an arrangement for a specific visitor, when you know what they're (supposed to be) doing and where they're supposed to be, and can keep an eye on them, and quite another to let anyone plug something in. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Maybe OT: Network ethics

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 2, Doc wrote: > The building in question is a secured building. Guests are required > to log in & out, and rooms other than snack area & restrooms are locked. > It is a government building. Space is donated to a local computer > group. A member of that group simply plugged into the local LAN. The > building's rep did state that the port should not have been left hot, > and nobody has admitted, or claimed, that the member did anything but > access the internet. > > I guess my opinion, which isn't very popular here, is that unless > permission has been explicitly given, one should not assume permission > to a local LAN, or internet access through the LAN. I do recognize that > my position is due to working frequently at secured sites. One such > facility, in San Antonio, prohibits ANY access to their network by > non-employees. Contractors must tell a technician what commands to > enter, and which buttons to click. I think in a secure gov't facility, my approach would be a little different...having once been in charge of the network at such a facility, I can attest to the fact that there is a fair amount of paranoia, often rightly so. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Boston CM (was Re: Computer Museum of America ...

by geoff＠pkworks.com

Well, you haven't been to the Boston Computer Museum is quite some time, for it is no more. Several years ago the collection was shipped out to Sunnyvale, where it is the nucleus around which The Computer History Center is forming. There are several private collectors in the Boston area (myself included), but the only computer museums anywhere nearby are in Rhode Island. I am Vice President of the Rhode Island Computer Museum in North Kingston, RI (see www.osfn.org/ricm), and we have a large and expanding collection (which grew by a VAX 11/780 just this past weekend), and a display space which we have badly outgrown - a problem we are working mightily to solve. In Providence, RI, is the RetroComputing Society of Rhode Island (see www.osfn.org/rcs ), of which I am a member. It too is rather pressed for space, thanks to zealous collecting. I'd like to invite everyone on this mailing list to come visit us both. And while I can't say that we're anywhere near as sophisticated in our presentations as the old Boston Computer Museum, there is plenty of stuff of interest to all. From: Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net> >I've been to the Boston Computer Museum many many times >from the late 80's on. > >At one point I contacted the Curator to see if the museum would be >interested in displaying some of the restored machines that several >local collectors had at the time. > >The very notion of computer restoration struck the Museum as insane, and >they wanted nothing to do with such displays, nor even hosting meetings >of collectors and restoration fans. One person even had a PDP 10, and >really needed some space to set the thing up. I was going to put a MIT >CADR on display, and perhaps my 1968 HP 2114, etc. The Museums response >was that unless we were crossing their palms with money, they wanted >nothing to do with us, it was all about donations. > >It was not too long after this that I began to think vintage computer >collecting was some sort of deviant behavior or something, and I became >much less active (despite having a oversized 2 car garage to fill!). > >Not until many years later did I learn of the VCF events, and I joined >the list. > >During that time, the PDP-10 my friend had was lost to scrappers because >he had no space to store it, and many other cool machines were lost as >well. > >There have also been rumors of very nice machines being donated to the >B.C.M only to be locked away, unrestored, and worse, sold off as scrap >to feed the cash hungry so-called museum. > >Basically, the B.C.M was a social club for a select crowd, and its >primary function was never to preserve and display computing history. > >John Allain wrote: > >> Derek Peschel wrote: >> > Several years ago it was very good. Then it slipped. >> >> Bryan Pope >> > I first came to Boston. It was only ..._okay_... >> >> Bob Shannon >> > The Boston computer museum was a total joke. >> >> I went twice, perhaps 1983 and 1985. >> 1985 it was rather good, with real historic interest >> shown, none of the Bozo's playground stuff that >> it apperently moved to in the early 90's. >> 1983/2 was Before it officially opened, where it >> was just Gwen and Gordon Bell's corporate >> sponsored collection in Marlborough. Highly >> recommended, though hard to get to now I'm >> afraid. >> When did you go and what was wrong? >> >> John A. > > > >

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Maybe OT: Network ethics

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 2, Doc Shipley wrote: > This is sort of a sanity check. I'm putting the question here because > of the cumulative years of professional experience here, as well as an > "international" perspective. > > How would you react to a guest in your (not normally open to the > public) building plugging a computer into a random ethernet port and > asking for a DHCP lease? Is there any non-emergency consideration that > would make that appropriate? In a well-designed network, I wouldn't worry too much about it. On an unswitched network with unencrypted root passwords floating around, though, I'd have...erm, "issues" with it. You bring up an interesting point, however. A good (if somewhat simplistic) goal for the security of a network might be to say if you'd be nervous about someone doing this, then you still have things left to fix. :) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Maybe OT: Network ethics

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> How would you react to a guest in your (not normally open to the >public) building plugging a computer into a random ethernet port and >asking for a DHCP lease? Is there any non-emergency consideration that >would make that appropriate? I think that all has to do with WHO the guest is, and WHY they plugged in. My network (and building) is normally closed to the public, but when we have clients in, and they bring their laptops, I generally allow them access to use printers, or gain internet access. But then, this is something that I plan to offer, so I actually have DHCP services specifically for this (and keep the rest of the network locked down to prevent them from wandering). So maybe I'm not as closed as you are. BUT... even with my plans for outside people to be able to plug in... if somebody walked in off the street, and tried to do the same... I would NOT be happy and would promptly escort them out of the building (and depending on what I thought they were up to... would probably call the local PD to file a report against them). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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cheap 16MB 30-pin RAM on eBay

by Richard.Sandwell＠roebry.co.uk

B****r. Early boot Rom in my cube. Thats why it never worked with 4mb Simms. It all becomes clear now. Time to pester Rob at blackholeinc, I guess..... //Rich Jeff Hellige <jhellige@earthlink. To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org net> cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: cheap 16MB 30-pin RAM on eBay owner-classiccmp@cla ssiccmp.org 02/02/2002 19:13 Please respond to classiccmp >You are right, Sunguk doesn't suffer fools. He is however very good - one >of the positives is from me - I bought 128mb of Sparc5 Ram (that rare-ish >5volt Dimm stuff) from him a few months back and he made an exception and >shipped internationally. Is that the same 5V FPM 168pin DIMM as used in early PowerMac's? >Question is - does my '030 Cube take parity or non-parity.....eek! I used >to know this... Here's the FAQ at Peanuts concerning memory: http://www.peanuts.org/faq-serve/cache/174.html Jeff -- Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File http://www.cchaven.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

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Q-Bus fear and other DEC busses ....

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 1, Gunther Schadow wrote: > I read a web article the other day where the guy describes the > various forms of the Qbus and he also said that you could fry > certain cards when you stick'em in a wrong version of the Qbus. This is indeed correct...if you plug an RLV11 into a Q/Q backplane instead of a Q/CD backplane, for example, you'll let out the magic smoke. > Since I have a uVAX II and a PDP11/03 I would want to know if > I can mix and much cards with thoese busses or if I would fry > a K[ZF]QSA board sticking it into the wrong bus. Dunno about the 'QSAs in particular...but in general things should work, except for cards with 16/18/22 bit address issues. > Also, why was the need for grant continuity cards an advantage? It's not an "advantage" per se...just what the bus needs. Several busses use schemes like this...for example, with some high-speed peripheral controllers in VME Sun systems, you need to remove the BG3 and IACK jumpers from the other side of the backplane. There are no grant "cards" but there are indeed grant jumpers. > The OMNIBUS didn't need it but the UNIBUS (and Q-bus?) do. Omnibus is a "straight" bus...pin 1 goes to pin 1 on all slots, pin 2 to pin 2, etc...there are no hardware-prioritized "daisy-chain" signals like those found in some other busses. > Also, what's the deal about grant continuity cards, they seem to > just have a few lines shorted. In the UNIBUS box next to my > VAX 11 it has some intermediary open slots but only one grant > card plugged in. How could that work? Also, why can you stick If those slots are all straight Unibus, it likely WON'T work. :) > 1x or 2x cards into the different sections, is there a difference > where you put them? Why is the feed to the UNIBUS only a 2x card > and where must you plug that? Is it magic? SPC slots..."small peripheral controller" I believe is the correct expansion of that acronym...you'll want to grab a pdp11 unibus processor handbook for that info...it's all in there. > Are there UNIBUS backplanes with more than 9 rows? None that I've seen. I've seen 4- and 9-slot ones. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Another Nile in North East

by dancohoe＠oxford.net

There's another Nile with 4 large racks of drives in a scrapyard in Ottawa. I doesn't look like it's been there long. I should have spent more time checking it out. Likely Mike Kenzie could take a look at it and report back since I only get to Ottawa occasionally. Please see my post to follow with questions on the Pyramid 90x. Dan Cohoe

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Large ESDI Disks

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 2, jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote: > Trouble is, I don't have a vax. :-P That can be fixed!! 8-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Iomega Bernoulli 230MB drive

by wcrosby63＠earthlink.net

I have an Iomega Bernoulli hard drive that is not functioning properly. It wants to format the disks. I have 230 and 150 MB disks that I want to transfer the info to Zip disk, then CD. Can you help? Thanks. Wendy

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classiccmp-digest V1 #851

by bqt＠update.uu.se

On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, classiccmp-digest wrote: > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:19:18 -0800 (PST) > From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Anything special about converting VAX 11/780 to single phase? > > - --- Robert F Schaefer <rschaefe(a)gcfn.org> wrote: > > ISTR there was a model that had 3-phase blower motors. A three-phase > > motor will not operate on single-phase. It *has* to have all three legs > > to run. > > We had an 8530 that needed 3-phase. I had to install the plug on the > panel for our AC because our machine-panel only had two legs (everything > we had was single-phase 120VAC except the TU78 - 220V). Our AC was > large enough that it had a 3-phase compressor. The 8530 don't *nned* 3-phase to run. It's normally equipped with a 3-phase connector, but it can be converted. The machine Robert is thinking of is the 86x0 machine, which have 3-phase motors in the fans. Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Any tools for analyzing PDP-10 code?

by dpeschel＠eskimo.com

Screen too small: need at least 10 lines I'm trying to understand a PDP-10 machine-language program and I was hoping someone had written a program to help with that. I already know about CREF. What I want is more like a basic-block analyzer, since I want to find out what code calls what other code. It would have to work with FAIL source, .REL, or .EXE files. And if anyone has a grammar for FAIL, that would be nice too. Thanks, -- Derek

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so, can you run UNIX on a PDP11/03 or not?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 31, Gunther Schadow wrote: > Also, has anybody ever run a VAX11 in PDP mode for real? Sound > pretty wild to me to spend so much money only to not use the > virtual memory. The only use of the vax11's pdp11 compatibility mode that I've ever heard of was to run RSX-11 binaries under VMS. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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cheap 16MB 30-pin RAM on eBay

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Some reseller on eBay evidently brought out his stash - he's selling several hundred SIMMs in lots of 4. He seems to have a lot of complaints - 197 negatives of 4900 feedbacks - but $15 for 64M ain't a bad gamble.... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1328405102 Doc

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fight with Kermit on VMS ...

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, my last question for today is about Kermit on VMS. Last night I tried to get CMUIP ("OpenCMU" :-) onto my VAX so I could finally get access to faster file transfer. But the old frogs on both sides didn't want to play nice. After having transferred 99% of the data, they would seem to get into a fight over the very last packet. Ultimately the server (on VAX) would abort with retry counter expired. Kermit on FreeBSD was nice to give me all sorts of tweaks on the settings but nothing helped. Why the last block? If I were on UNIX I would have just send one more block and then stripped that off again, but on VMS I'm so blind. What happens without this last block is that LZDCMP.EXE will say there's a problem with the archive and never really extract anything useful. How can I make kermit behave? And, will CMUIP066 even run on VMS 7.2 (or so)? thanks -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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Large ESDI Disks

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Speaking of which, does anyone know where to get controllers and/or > drives to use ESDI on QBus based VAXen? No, but I recommend looking for Webster WQESD/4 controllers. They're a dream! Of course I'd more recommend them for a PDP-11, for a MicroVAX, and old ESDI controller should do. The reason I like WQESD/4 controllers is that they can partition the drive into multiple disks, and you can boot any partition under something like RT-11. Should even be able to do different OS's, but I've not tried it. Zane

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And, in the "Smokin' Crack" category

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2000135437 Doc

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Netscape (was Re: PayPal = payola?)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> ---------- > From: Doc > <<<<<clipped>>>>> > But I think that in a day or 2 I'll probably be tied for the > *smallest* classic Unix box in the house. Part of this weekend's haul > was an SE/30, I found an ethernet adapter today, and I went to storage > this evening and dug out the 4M 30-pin SIMM stash. A/UX here I come.... > > Doc > ------- Doc --- Well, if I have my way, my Gateway Handbook will be a smaller Unix box... 10" x 6" x 1.5" ;-) And it just squeaks by 10 years old too ( I think, maybe 9...) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Bondwell portable needs new home

by vcf＠vintage.org

Bondwell's were clam-shell style portables from the mid- to late-80s. Sally has one up for grabs. Contact her if you want it. Reply-to: Lsweetlgs(a)aol.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:37:59 EST From: Lsweetlgs(a)aol.com Subject: Computer I am trying to find out about a 78 Bondwell Portable computer Model 18 if it is worth anything or anyone would want it. I just want to place it somewhere out of my closet. Thank you Sally -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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HP 5371A Frequency and Time Interval Analyzer

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 2, Zane H. Healy wrote: > OK, the question of the day is, what is a 'HP 5371A Frequency and Time > Interval Analyzer', and what is it used for. I just got one minus the two > pods. It looks to be in perfect condition, doesn't even look like it's > really been used. I've got one of those. It's a really sweet box. I use it for characterizing oscillator stability. It can tell you all you ever wanted to know, and then some, about an oscillator's frequency stability...as well as measure the simple things like its absolute frequency, duty cycle, and stuff like that. It can also compare two oscillators against each other, and other stuff in that category. I could really use another one, let me know if you're interested in a trade. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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HP 5371A Frequency and Time Interval Analyzer

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

OK, the question of the day is, what is a 'HP 5371A Frequency and Time Interval Analyzer', and what is it used for. I just got one minus the two pods. It looks to be in perfect condition, doesn't even look like it's really been used. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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And, in the "Smokin' Crack" category

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

Toth, Oh, sure. Rub it in to us Houston guys...... : ) - Matt At 11:25 PM 2/1/2002 -0600, you wrote: >On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Dave McGuire wrote: > > On February 1, Tothwolf wrote: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2000135437 > > > > > > LOL...I passed up on about 30 of these at ~$5ea back in '98. > > > > > > Maybe that guy bought them? ;) > > > > Now that's a deal I would have taken. $5/ea is pretty amazing. > >Well, I had just spent $500 on everything else, and I was lacking room to >store anything else :) > >I wish I had known folks in the Houston area at the time tho, I would have >certainly passed the deal on to someone else. > >-Toth Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

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And, in the "Smokin' Crack" category

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 1, Tothwolf wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2000135437 > > LOL...I passed up on about 30 of these at ~$5ea back in '98. > > Maybe that guy bought them? ;) Now that's a deal I would have taken. $5/ea is pretty amazing. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Archive 2150 drive belt

by tothwolf＠concentric.net

Does anyone have a source for the drive belt for an Archive 2150S/2150L tape drive? I've got 8 or so of these in various systems that need new belts. I'd also like to find another 2150S (scsi version) if anyone has one laying around. -Toth

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cheap 16MB 30-pin RAM on eBay

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

At 08:34 PM 2/1/02 -0600, you wrote: > > Nope, those are 16 MB Non-parity. > >Are you sure? Count the chips and count the pins in the picture. Based on >that, they look like 70ns parity modules. Of course, that could be a pic >of some other simms, and not the ones up for sale. > >-Toth http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1328405102 Yup, Non Parity, 8 chips..... the parity chip ius missing at least on this auction, the cincher is that these chips came out of Quadra 700 systems. Macs use non-parity ram....

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cheap 16MB 30-pin RAM on eBay

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

Nope, those are 16 MB Non-parity. I've dealt with Sunguk many times and he's a stand up guy, the 1 time I got a bad Dimm from him for my sp[arc ultra he refunded the $ to me with no problems. At 11:29 AM 2/1/02 -0600, you wrote: >On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Doc Shipley wrote: > > > Some reseller on eBay evidently brought out his stash - he's selling > > several hundred SIMMs in lots of 4. He seems to have a lot of > > complaints - 197 negatives of 4900 feedbacks - but $15 for 64M ain't a > > bad gamble.... > >Of course, 4900 feedbacks is alot too. From the picture, the simms look >like 70ns parity ram, but since the picture is off center, and he states >they are 80ns, the only way to know for sure would be to ask him. 70ns >parity modules could be used in many computers besides a Mac, but 60ns >would be much better for mid to late 486 and early pentium PC type boards. > >-Toth

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Docs for Sonic IIci/SE30 Ethernet?

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

I need the jumper settings. The base card has 2 3-pin jumpers, J4 and J5. J4 is labeled A and 9, and J5 isn't labelled. The daughtercard has 2 18-pin (I think, maybe 20-pin) DIP sockets, labeled AUI & BNC, and the AUI socket has a DIP module that looks like a straight jumper block. I've got OS 7.1 installed, and "Ethernet Inside" sees the card, but it fails all tests. I'm not willing to go for the "hosed" option yet. And no, of course there's no part number anywhere. It has a right-angle PDS pass-through, what looks like an empty FPU socket, and AUI & BNC connectors. Thanks, Doc

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80 col Apple ][

by mhstein＠canada.com

Yup! Moved the 80col card to slot 3 and Bob's yer uncle. WS & Supercalc look MUCH better. No BNC's used or harmed in the making of this message, btw : 3 RCAs on Apple (40/80/RF), RCA on 40/Colour monitor, UHF on 80/Mono monitor, F59 on TV. :-) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:50:53 -0700 From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> Subject: Re: 80 col Apple ][ So, did that fix your problem? Dick

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More on the Icom Attache Video

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

>>I had an Icom Attache, made by Pertec. It was basically an Altair 8800bt >>(Turnkey), with an integrated keyboard and video capabilities. It was in >>a >>nice case, kinda like a large Apple II case (which it was desinged to >>compete against). Composite video output used a BNC connector. >That's a system I've never seen. do you have a picture? What sort of > >video >(pixel format) did it produce? Well, They key is that I HAD the system. The manuals and system are now somewhere in France after being an eBay "Auction for America" (Yah, I know, it's where the money goes, not necessarily the item...). I don't recall off the top of my head what the technical specs on the video were. It was extremely hard to let it go, but my sacrifice was NOTHING compared to the sacrifice of the people who received the money. The video was a wild arrangement, where basically the rest of the computer assumed it was talking through a serial link. The video board (actually two board bolted together) hooked up to a serial port, and also to the keyboard. It converted the keyboard input to serial characters, so the computer thought it was getting input from a terminal. The video board(s) also converted the serial output of the computer to composite video. This allowed them to use MITS boards, unaltered, and run with them.... I have pictures, and will dig them up soon... Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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paging Al Kossow

by dpeschel＠eskimo.com

Al, Just wondering if you got my e-mail. -- Derek

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Q-Bus fear and other DEC busses ....

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 1, 17:31, Gunther Schadow wrote: > I read a web article the other day where the guy describes the > various forms of the Qbus and he also said that you could fry > certain cards when you stick'em in a wrong version of the Qbus. > Since I have a uVAX II and a PDP11/03 I would want to know if > I can mix and much cards with thoese busses or if I would fry > a K[ZF]QSA board sticking it into the wrong bus. There are two possibilities here. One is that there are board sets such as the RLV11 controller which use the CD-interconnect to talk to each other, and those won't like being in a serpentine backplane, where both A-B and C-D carry Q-bus signals. They're designed to be used a a straight backplane, where the Q-bus is only on A-B, and the lower side of each C-D is connected to the upper side of the next C-D row down. The other possibility is that some backplanes (notably some Plessey ones) have battery voltages or occasionally even AC voltages on the "spare" pins and they may fry boards that expect signals there rather than a power supply. > Also, why was the need for grant continuity cards an advantage? Well, a better way of looking at it is that there's a design feature which is advantageous in providing prioritisation of interrupts according to position relative to the front (processor end) of the bus, but the penalty is that you need grant cards as a result. It's the interrupt chain. In -11 busses it's designed so the chain passes through each device, and therefore any device can be built with the capability of locking out devices behind it while it's being serviced. Anything further away will wait until the locking device releases the interrupt, then it's own request will automagically be seen by the processor. There's no such scheme in an Omnibus, as the signal goes "past" each card rather than "through" it. > The OMNIBUS didn't need it but the UNIBUS (and Q-bus?) do. > Also, what's the deal about grant continuity cards, they seem to > just have a few lines shorted. In the UNIBUS box next to my > VAX 11 it has some intermediary open slots but only one grant > card plugged in. How could that work? The grant cards only need to carry the interrupt request and NPR lines; these are the only ones that have an IN and an OUT on each slot. Other signals just daisy-chain the slots together like a busbar in a power distribution panel. The other way is to use a wirwrap on the backplane between the IN and the OUT. The NPR line is often dealt with in that way, and G727 grant cards actually only jumper the four interrupt lines (G7272 jumpers NPR as well). There are a few reasons you may only have grant cards in some slots. It's quite possible that something has been removed and nobody put a grant card in even though they should. It may well work like that, if nothing further back actually needs the signals. Another possibility is that you're looking at some custom backplane which doesn't have standard SPC slots -- not all Unibus backplanes are wired the same way -- though I can't think of one that has SPC in some slots and custom wiring in others. No DEC one, anyway. > Also, why can you stick > 1x or 2x cards into the different sections, is there a difference > where you put them? Why is the feed to the UNIBUS only a 2x card > and where must you plug that? Is it magic? The Unibus signals fit onto two rows, A and B. On a normal expansion backplane, some of those signals are redistributed onto rows CDEF as SPC signals, so in effect you have two busses side by side -- Unibus (or MUD : Modified Unibus Device) in slots A and B, and SPC (Small Peripheral Controller, same signals more or less, but different arrangement) in CDEF. You can fit a dual-height Unibus card in rows AB, and/or a quad-height SPC card in CDEF, or a hex card in ABCDEF. If you really mean single-height (only one slot) or dual-height when you write 1x or 2x, those are usually cards which are parts of some device built from simple(ish) logic modules; they're not Unibus or SPC cards, and generally fit into specific places in a specially-wired backplane where only A+B of the first and last slot are Unibus. The rest are some custom point-to-point wiring for a particular device, built from simple modules. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Mac 512k

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Franchuk [mailto:bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca] > > Remember that it takes a relatively old OS to boot a 512k mac. > I still remember reading how to upgrade your mac to 512k from > 128k. The > old solder on new chips over the old ones trick. I recall the same kind of trick for a color-computer 1. :) In that case, it was supposed to give you extra capacity above the supposed 64k maximum. No idea how it was addressed. It could be that my memory is cloudy and it was an upgrade _to_ the 64k maximum. I seem to remember, for some reason, the upgrade got the thing up to 96k or some odd number like that. Of course, this is a vague recollection from an article in a "Hot CoCo" magazine a while back, so may not be completely accurate. Or it may be way off. The only part that I recall with clarity is that one was required to solder new chips on top of the old. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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1520 plotter (was RE: Your VIC-20 is worth $300!!! W@W!)

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > Sent: 29 January 2002 20:08 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: 1520 plotter (was RE: Your VIC-20 is worth $300!!! W@W!) > > Let me see if I get this. Somebody is stripping a useable (or > at least > repairable) plotter becsue the packing box is falling apart??? Calm down Tony :) I'm not stripping it because the box is tatty; I'm stripping it because it's a) bust and b) more use to someone else as spares than it is for me since I've already got 2 in the museum and don't need a 3rd broken one... a

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turning off volume shadowing on VMS?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

ahh, one more question. How can I turn off volume shadowing on VMS 7.2 (?). I need to get physical access to some of the disks in the array so I can load an Ultrix filesystem image on them. But it won't let me mount/forreign a disk that's part of a shadow set. thanks, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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Q-Bus fear and other DEC busses ....

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

I read a web article the other day where the guy describes the various forms of the Qbus and he also said that you could fry certain cards when you stick'em in a wrong version of the Qbus. Since I have a uVAX II and a PDP11/03 I would want to know if I can mix and much cards with thoese busses or if I would fry a K[ZF]QSA board sticking it into the wrong bus. Also, why was the need for grant continuity cards an advantage? The OMNIBUS didn't need it but the UNIBUS (and Q-bus?) do. Also, what's the deal about grant continuity cards, they seem to just have a few lines shorted. In the UNIBUS box next to my VAX 11 it has some intermediary open slots but only one grant card plugged in. How could that work? Also, why can you stick 1x or 2x cards into the different sections, is there a difference where you put them? Why is the feed to the UNIBUS only a 2x card and where must you plug that? Is it magic? Are there UNIBUS backplanes with more than 9 rows? so many questions :-) -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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so, can you run UNIX on a PDP11/03 or not?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

I hear mixed messages about that. Is there someone who knows, and not only if any, but also which version of UNIX would run? I want to give it a shot. Also, has anybody ever run a VAX11 in PDP mode for real? Sound pretty wild to me to spend so much money only to not use the virtual memory. cheers, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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new RX02 disks?

by tom＠sba.miami.edu

Does anyone know of a source for new 8" floppies? I've borrowed some software that I need to copy and give back, and in the interests of longevity, I'd just assume not recycle a disk that is already 20 years old. Thanks, Tom

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Packrat genome project questions

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 1, 8:14, Ethan Dicks wrote: > I know what you mean about a PET 4032 being elusive. It's one model I > haven't run across yet. I sold one about 4 years ago for UKP20 (about $30). > I do have a 4016 I need to repair - someone on > this list used to use it when it was at UC Santa Barara, IIRC - it has a > laboratory I/O package - BNCs and banana jacks in a metal box off to the > right side, and a small card cage inside that sits on the two 40-pin > expansion connectors. It's one of the ones that Commodore prevented from > being upgraded by perforating the motherboard at the upper 16K positions. > It can be restored, but there are several 3/8" holes and missing pads > and traces to work around. I remember upgrading a few like that in the early '80s. The college deliberately bought 4106s becasue the cost of memory was lower than the price difference, and we were a bit cheesed off to find those drilled holes. I upgraded them anyway, it just took a little longer. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Large ESDI Disks

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 1, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > Certainly not within the size range that Sridhar was > > referring to but my MVII had dual Maxtor XT-8380E (380MB, ESDI, > > 5-1/4" FH) drives installed when I got it. One has since been pulled > > to act as a spare and replaced in the BA23 with a TK50. > > I have a 5.25"-tall, rackable box with two 5.25" full-height 1.2Gb ESDI > drives (plus room for two more) and an ESDI<->SDI converter (and room > for one more). I forget the maker, but it was one of the companies > that used to make add-on disks and the like 10 years ago (MBA Systems > Automation?) > > It's much quieter and reliable than my RA81. Ahhh, I have about four subsystems exactly like that made by Systems Industries. They are *wonderful*. I even have the docs. :-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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cheap 16MB 30-pin RAM on eBay

by zaft＠azstarnet.com

At 11:29 AM 2/1/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Of course, 4900 feedbacks is alot too. From the picture, the simms look >like 70ns parity ram, but since the picture is off center, and he states >they are 80ns, the only way to know for sure would be to ask him. 70ns >parity modules could be used in many computers besides a Mac, but 60ns >would be much better for mid to late 486 and early pentium PC type boards. I don't recall seeing board that claimed to support 16M 30 pin simms. Do they 'automagically' support this size, or is it just a small group that actually used 'em?

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Low cost Thin Film Thickness Measurement System

by foo＠siconic.com

On 1 xxx -1, Sales(a)MissionPeakOptics.com wrote: > visit our website www.MissionPeakOptics.com for more information Time to restrict access to subscribers only. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Large ESDI Disks

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 1, Christopher Smith wrote: > Speaking of which, does anyone know where to get controllers and/or > drives to use ESDI on QBus based VAXen? eBay. A few months ago, I picked up an Emulex QD21 for $10. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Large ESDI Disks

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Hellige [mailto:jhellige@earthlink.net] > Certainly not within the size range that Sridhar was > referring to but my MVII had dual Maxtor XT-8380E (380MB, ESDI, > 5-1/4" FH) drives installed when I got it. One has since been pulled > to act as a spare and replaced in the BA23 with a TK50. Speaking of which, does anyone know where to get controllers and/or drives to use ESDI on QBus based VAXen? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Mac 512k

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I got an old mac 512k, and when i try to turn it on, a dead man appears >and a number is show. >(The number changes every time I turn it on.) >Can it be because there is no keyboard? Mac's will boot just fine without a keyboard. What you are seeing is a "Sad Mac". What are the numbers that are shown? I know they change, but if you can give us an example of a few (and be accurate), then we might be able to help. Those numbers are telling you what is wrong. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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uVAXs in 1987 (Was Re: Bell & Howell Apple II update)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 1, Julius Sridhar wrote: > > > does anyone have ideas on what other multi-user timesharing > > > systems were available in {87} at about ... $50K to $100K)? > > > > How about... any Unix system (Sun, HP, Apollo, others)? > > Can any of these do billed processor/I/O time? Most Unix implementations have had resource accounting for years. It's not quite as extensive as mainframe stuff or something like VMS, but it works well and is quite usable. So, yes. :) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Mac 512k

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com] > If you have just a 512K, remember that you need an OS on a 400K > floppy or it won't work. If it's a 512Ke, I'm pretty sure it won't > boot 0.97 anymore. Are you sure? I booted .97 on a Mac Plus. (I still have the machine, and the 400k disk I used.) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Large ESDI Disks

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 1, Russ Blakeman wrote: > I'm curious too, haven't seen an ESDI bigger than 120mb personally. I have some 1.2GB Fujitsu ESDI drives...those suckers are quick, too. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Bell & Howell Apple II update

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> Monitors of the time, at least of the NTSC-compatible > type, were typically equipped with PL-259 connectors > on the rear. Not true, at least in the video industry. >By the time consumer video equipment became popular, > the PL-259, which was also common in the '70's for other > 75-ohm applications e.g. antennas and the like, had been > replaced by the 'F' types in video hookups, since those > were MUCH cheaper. The PL-259 was in use primarily for carrying VHF and UHF signals, not baseband video. The PL259/SO259 was originally designed in the 1940's to carry the then high resolution 3.5MHz 405 line baseband video signal. They remained as the connector of choice, at least in europe, until the 70's when the more compact BNC took over. Patch pannels were, and are still, mostly Musa as they are easy to (un)plug even when packed closely. As I said, I may be sorry to have chimed in on this nearly off-topic conversation, but when I see blanket statements being made that are obviously incorrect I have a hard time remaining silent. Ah, ok. 8^)= Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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New Buy & VMS help wanted

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 1, Julius Sridhar wrote: > > 8-bit graphics would have a set of 3 boards. How many boards in your > > framebuffer setup? If you have one, it's mono. Two is -- I think -- > > 4 bit color. > > I believe what he is describing, is mono. Grayscale...VCB02. The mono framebuffer is a VCB01, M7602. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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New Buy & VMS help wanted

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 1, Pat Finnegan wrote: > I also picked up its console cable and an LK-401 for it, but didn't see > its mouse laying around. :( Anyways, the 'console cable' connects to the > framebuffer and provides a modular jack (LK-401 im sure), an 8-pin > Mini-DIN (mouse?), and a single BNC connector. Does anyone know of a sane > way to connect this to a garden variety monitor? Is it really monochrome > as I suspect? The framebuffer cards are a M7168 and a M7169, so I > *thought* it would be 8-plane *color* graphics... but I guess 8-plane mono > is believable. Anywho, if the TK50 remains, it'll have to be the > framebuffer that goes away when I get that pertec card.. That frame buffer is a VCB02, or QDSS. M7169 is the smarts, and M7168 is a memory board. You can have one or two M7168s, each gives you four bitplanes...so you have a 4-plane framebuffer. This can drive a color monitor for 16 colors or a mono monitor for 16 levels of gray. Which monitor you can drive depends on the cable. From your description, you have a grayscale cable, used with, for example, a VR160 monitor. A color cable will have three BNCs. I've found the grayscale cables to be somewhat rare. I wouldn't bother trying to drive a VGA monitor with this. Proper DEC monitors are relatively easy to find, and I find them to be of much higher quality than all but the most expensive PeeCee monitors. > One last thing... on VMS 1) how do I figure out the size of the > hard-drives (like du on *nix), and 2) how do I mount a hard disk without > knowing its label? The second ESDI drive doesn't get automatically > mounted when VMS boots. 1) $ show dev du/full 2) $ mount du?/override=id (where "?" is the unit number) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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cheap 16MB 30-pin RAM on eBay

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 1, Tothwolf wrote: > > Some reseller on eBay evidently brought out his stash - he's selling > > several hundred SIMMs in lots of 4. He seems to have a lot of > > complaints - 197 negatives of 4900 feedbacks - but $15 for 64M ain't a > > bad gamble.... > > Of course, 4900 feedbacks is alot too. From the picture, the simms look > like 70ns parity ram, but since the picture is off center, and he states > they are 80ns, the only way to know for sure would be to ask him. 70ns > parity modules could be used in many computers besides a Mac, but 60ns > would be much better for mid to late 486 and early pentium PC type boards. These are also quite useful (I'd actually say *more* useful) for use in Sun4/600 systems. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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S/370 docs (was: Re: IBM big iron.)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Now why can't anyone ever say "Hey, I have 4381, 3380, and 3880 docs to get rid of... Want em?" It sucks owning what is essentially 3000+ pounds worth of paperweights. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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New Buy & VMS help wanted

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I just got a VAXstation 3200 today for about $15... Amazingly enough, it boots up to VMS 5.3-1 (can't log in though.) Can anyone recommend a good guide for using VMS that's either avalible at a good book store or (preferred) availble online? Specs: 8 line serial card (forgot to look at the model #), TK-50 controller (didn't grab the drive, but might do that tomorrow..), 8-plane framebuffer, 2x8M QBus memory cards, 2x760M ST-506 interface hard drives, DELQA ethernet, KA650-B cpu card, (and that's about all I think...) pics at http://purdueriots.com/imgs/vs3200-back-lores.jpg and http://purdueriots.com/imgs/vs3200-front-lores.jpg -- Pat

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new RX02 disks?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Leffingwell [mailto:tom@sba.miami.edu] > Does anyone know of a source for new 8" floppies? I've borrowed > some software that I need to copy and give back, and in the > interests of > longevity, I'd just assume not recycle a disk that is already 20 years > old. Last time I looked, even a quick search on yahoo or google turned up a couple of "bulk media" type companies that still carry 8" disks. This was maybe two months ago. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Low cost Thin Film Thickness Measurement System

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> ---------- > From: Sellam Ismail > > On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, John Lawson wrote: > > > Besides, sure as shit, the day we moderate this is the day that some > > guy's uncle dies and they clean out his storage space with the last > Foonly > > in it, and the nephew can't get a message thru and it goes to the dump. > > The solution is simple. We're not moderating anything. We're just making > the list writeable by subscribers only. If non-subscribers try to post we > can bounce them back a message telling them how to properly post a > message. > > Even better, maybe we can provide a web form to submit messages to the > list? We can redirect them to that instead, then it'll be easy for them > to post that they found the first Altair that got "lost" in transit to > Popular Electronics that will be given to the first person who replies and > says they'll pay for shipping. > > We can put this up on the classiccmp website with a big sign that says > "POST MESSAGES TO THE CLASSICCMP LIST HERE". > > I'll volunteer the programming for this even. > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer > Festival > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > Unless I missed someone else saying it, I would suggest both methods together in the same message. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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New Buy & VMS help wanted

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Julius Sridhar [mailto:vance@ikickass.org] > > Relatively common, but DEC original. Don't plug a PS/2 mouse in! :) > Would it even fit? I don't know, nor would I really want to find out. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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New Buy & VMS help wanted

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Finnegan [mailto:pat@purdueriots.com] > I also picked up its console cable and an LK-401 for it, but > didn't see > its mouse laying around. :( Anyways, the 'console cable' Relatively common, but DEC original. Don't plug a PS/2 mouse in! :) > connects to the > framebuffer and provides a modular jack (LK-401 im sure), an 8-pin > Mini-DIN (mouse?), and a single BNC connector. Does anyone > know of a sane > way to connect this to a garden variety monitor? Is it > really monochrome > as I suspect? The framebuffer cards are a M7168 and a M7169, so I > *thought* it would be 8-plane *color* graphics... but I guess > 8-plane mono > is believable. Anywho, if the TK50 remains, it'll have to be the > framebuffer that goes away when I get that pertec card.. 8-bit graphics would have a set of 3 boards. How many boards in your framebuffer setup? If you have one, it's mono. Two is -- I think -- 4 bit color. I have no idea how to connect that to a monitor, nor whether you got the right adaptor. If you have a mono board, it's easy ;) Otherwise, maybe it's a composite signal of some sort. > One last thing... on VMS 1) how do I figure out the size of the > hard-drives (like du on *nix), and 2) how do I mount a hard Try "SHOW DEV D" (In english that's "give stats on all devices beginning with D," I think) > disk without > knowing its label? The second ESDI drive doesn't get automatically > mounted when VMS boots. The /OVER=ID option will do what you want. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Continuation of... RE: Friday's score... [kinda long?]

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, here's the rest of that haul (finally!)... *** Commodore 128(64) Software/books *** ---Original s/w diskettes--- C128 CP/M System Disk - CP/M Plus Ver. 3.0 - this'll be interesting. Never actually played w/ CP/M before! C128 Tutorial Disk c= model 1571 test/demo diskette double sided 48 tpi - didn't want capital letters on this disk, apparently... Sylvia Porter's Personal Finance 128 Series The Bard's Tale - Tales Of The Unknown Vol. 1 Music Construction Set Demon Stalkers SkyFox Hacker (includes QuickDrive!) Bruce Lee (with Atari 32K RAM version on side 2!) Leader Board Leader Board World Class Ghosts 'N Goblins Castle Wolfenstein Alternate Reality - The City Alternate Reality - The Dungeon Paperback Writer 128 Dark Lord The Neverending Story Might And Magic Might And Magic II ---copies (seperated by disk)--- Dig Dug Pac Man Centipede Buck Rogers Lazer Zone Worms Grid Runner Donkey Kong Omega Race ( I used to have that cartridge!) LeMans Mike.wrm -probably one of Michael Brodt's saved Worms gNinjaames. -If so, judging by the writing, I'd say Michael is -a bit of a young'un, like me ;-) Blue Max Black Hawk Night Mission Protector II Fort Apocolypse River Raid Ninja 3720 Serpentine (?) Vacations Renaissance Shamus Omega Race Satans Hollow Boulder Dash Blueprint Wizard Of War Dig Dug Defender Colossus Chess Hellcat Ace Armageddon Wet Paint Lazarian Pooyar Pogo joe Ice Palace Sargon Sword Of Fargol Telengard Xyzzy (?) Summer Games - had it, loved it, need to find Summer Games II, - and Winter Games! Phantasie Demon Stalkers Demon Stalkers Levels C12802 (?) - Michael - Remember what this is for? Kracker Jax Vol. 7 Elite V. 4.0 - Wasn't there a Pirate's TollChest? I'm pretty - sure that's what we had with our C=64... Grand Prix Bard's Tale Character Disk Bard's Tale Dungeon Disk Copy Disk Might & Magic sides B,C, & D Might & Magic II Side B - have 3 copies of it. Not sure if they all work... Might & Magic II sides C,D,E, & F Blockout Grand Prix Dungeon Char. Disk #3 Backup Disk #2 (?) Bruce #3, #4, #5 ---books--- C= 1571 Disk Drive User's Guide C= 128 Personal Computer Introductory Guide C= 64C Personal Computer Introductory Guide C= 128 Personal Computer System Guide Quest For Clues Eye Of The Beholder rule book (copy) Castles user guide (copy) Firehawk - Thexder: The Second Contact (copy) Phantasie user guide (copy) Golf Solitare (printout) chess appendix a: complete chess games (?) Prince Of Persia user's guide (copy) The Everything Book for Commodore 64 & 128 Fall 1987 --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 > ---------- > From: David Woyciesjes > > Well, for those curious, and those whom I said I would inform, here > is a list of (100lbs!) Commodore 128 and Atari 800 goodies I got courtesy of > Michael Brodt... (This list is for my own inventory purpose, as much as your > entertainment.) > > Commodore 128 --- > - 1571 floppy drive > - Wico Command Control bat handle joystick > - TV connector/adaptor. > > Atari 800 --- > (there's " #043 " rubber-stamped on the model sticker, above the printed No. > 472297 Any ideas? Also a sticker with a handwritten "AW458710 1/28") > - Atari810 floppy drive > - 4 joysticks (one missing the 'stick'. Hey, the Commodore joystick will > work on this, won't it?)You know, it would be real easy to turn the busted > one into a gamepad, wouldn't it? > - Microbits Peripheral Products Parallel Printer interface > > And software/books/magazines are: > (game names are writen exactly as seen on the label. Maybe Michael or > someone can say what the misspellings are supposed to be...) > > *** C=128 *** > > (this list coming soon...) (see above...) > *** Atari 800 *** > > ---originals s/w diskettes--- > Shamus Case II No:4705 > Canyon Climber > The Goonies (it has C=64 version on side 2!) with hints... > Drelbs No:101210 > Alternate Reality: The Dungeon > Alternate Reality: The City > Atari 810 Master Diskette II > Atari 400/800 BASIC cartridge CXL 4002 (priced at $59.95!) > Karateka > The Incredible Laboratory > Realm Of Impossibility > Cyclod > > ---copies--- > Starwars > Frogger > Pogoman > Caverns > Actionquest (?) > > Pacman > Krazy > Defender > Galaxian > Raiders > Miscom (?) > > Speedway > Poype (misspelling on label?) > Joust > Donkey Kong > Nautilis > > Caverns 2 > Montezuma > Snokie > Sargon > Congo > Spy Hunter > Tutunkahmun > > Archon > Zepplin > > Slime > Mario Brothers > > Dig Dug > Cyclod > Spy Huntrcom (?) > Spy Sutle (?) > War Games > Decathlon > Starfighter > PitFall II > Legion > > Koalapad > Jumpman > > Centioede > Wiz Of War > Koalapad > MTV > > Zaxxon > > Zork I > > (on Cyclod disk-- > DigDug > Spyhuntrcom > Spshutle > War Games > Decathlon > StarFighter > PitFall II > Legion > > AtariWriter > > Krazy > Defender > Galaxian > Raiders > Miscom > Anticks > Centipede > > --- books --- > The Video Master's Guide To Defender > -(arcade version) > Basic Fun With Graphics The Atari Way > AD&D Eye Of The Beholder Clue Book > Free Software For your Atari > Dr. C Wacko's Miracle Guide To Designing And Programming Your Own Atari > Computer Arcade Games > Atari Basic - A Self Teaching Guide > Atari Games And Recreations > Atari Basic Quick Reference Guide > Your First Atari Program > Atari Sound And Graphics - A Self Teaching Guide > Owner's Guide for the 800 and 810 > Atari 810 Disk Drive - Introduction To he Disk Operating System > Computers For Kids - Atari Edition > AtariWriter manual > Star Raiders manual > Review - A Catalog Of Atari Learning Systems - Fall 83, Vol 1, Issue 1 > Antic - The Atari Resource - Feb 1988 Vol 6, #10 > Analog Computing - Sep 1987, #57 > Atari Explorer - Feb 1985 > Atari Connection - The Home Computer Magazine - Summer 1983 > Atari Connection - Winter 1984 > Atari Connection - Spring 1984 > Atari Connection - Summer 1984 > APX - Atari Program Exchange Product Catalog - Summer 1983 > APX - Fall 1983 > Home Applications And Games For The Atari Home Computers > Atari 400/800 Basic Reference Manual > Atari 400/800 Disk Operating System II Reference Manual

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