- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I've recently run across some "MBR Products Inc." systems, which appear to be controllers used in structural (like building materials) testing systems, and included an MTS 442 and MTS 438 (436?) "Controller" in one of the racks with the MBR units. As far as I can tell, the MBR machines are S-100 bus based rackmount machines, with a built-in keyboard and video display, and an 8" floppy drive connected to some of them. There's also some other smaller MBR systems with no drive attached, but they didn't easily come apart for me to see inside them : ). Does anyone know anything more about these things? They look like they might just be a generic S-100 bus system with some special peripheral I/O for data capture/controlling. The processor board is a CompuPro board with a Z80B on it, for instance. Thanks for any information! Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/

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VR241A

by vcf＠siconic.com

Is anyone interested in a DEC VR241A (color RGB monitor)? If so, it's yours for 1.2 * shipping. Contact me privately, please. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

22 years, 9 months

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ADMIN: another RFC

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 29, 17:54, Jay West wrote: > This guy asked nicely to join the list.. I asked him what he collects and > below is the response I got. As I said before, I don't intend to post these > kinds of emails to the list, but this one I'm a little torn on and not sure > what to do. Do you guys think this person should be on the list? Let him on > with a warning? I'm kinda leaning towards "no", but... You guys tell me! I lean towards the "yes, but.." side. How much harm can he be? Might one or two people get something out of it? Might his subscription succumb to bit rot if he misbehaves? I've seen his name somewhere else but I can't think where, offhand. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 9 months

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Dealing with the Press

by kenziem＠sympatico.ca

The local paper has asked for an interview about my collection. They're asking the usual why and how much is it worth. Any words of caution when dealing with the press? Anything that I should make a point to emphasize? mike -- Ottawa, Canada Collector of vintage computers http://www.ncf.ca/~ba600

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HP 262x terminal help sought

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I have a 262x HP terminal, think it's a 2624. It is the "ET head" style. I got it years ago and stuck it in a corner of the basement, and just got it out to clean it and get it up and running. It now has lots of white spots under the glass. Looks like mold to me. Nice perfectly round dots. But the thing is they are UNDER the glass. Is anyone familiar with this terminal enough to tell me if it's now dumpster material or can this glass be reached under or taken off somehow? Thanks in advance! Jay West

22 years, 9 months

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pdf archive back on line

by aek＠spies.com

The archive has moved to one of the archiving domains that I have, so please change any links you have to: www.bitsavers.org/pdf --al

22 years, 9 months

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list change

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 28, 22:22, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > Because it's not two lists. It's two views of the same list -- > It's sort of like Quantum Physics. Only more complicated. Yup, more uncertainty principles :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 9 months

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WTB: SCSI cable (OT)

by jrice54＠charter.net

I'm looking for a SCSI cable. I need one that is a HD68 with screws to Centronics 50 with the upper 9 bytes terminated. I haven't been able to find one locally in Dallas. It is for a (OT) Octane to Sgi SCSI-1 CD-ROM -- http://webpages.charter.net/jrice54/classiccomp2.html

22 years, 9 months

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HP 82161A Digital Cassette Drive found

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

> HP 82161A Digital Cassette Drive. Klassieker. Voor HP programmeerbare > rekenmachines, b.v. 41C of 75C. Met 4 mini cassettes. Incl. USA voeding Is this of any interest to anyone? Its in Holland, but I can go grab it for whoever wants it. Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

22 years, 9 months

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sticky Sony 3.5" drive

by vp＠mcs.drexel.edu

Since pictures are always better, check these instructions made by Mike Davis http://www.msdsite.com/forums/tutorial.php?tu_action=view&uid=500 **vp

22 years, 9 months

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hmm... new batch of search engine mailers :) AND Re: RFQ Fluke pods

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "John Lawson" <jpl15(a)panix.com> > ---snip--- > > Tolerate the Googlers - most folks DO NOT KNOW what a mailing list is or >how it works, so yes, they think they're replying to an e-mail - how else >would they know??? You guys who are so down on every one of these type >posts are getting just a bit old-net-school elitist and curmudgeonly... >just DELETE the damn things and get on with your life... it's not like >there a hundred posts a day - "I saw your message about VCF 1 and I'd like >to know where it is and..." > Hi John You seem to miss the point. These post do not seem to be coming from people that are actually looking for help or anything related to classic computers. I have responded to about ten of these before giving up. I all ten cases, I did not receive one reply, even though I offered to provide the help or information they requested. This leads me to believe that these are not just honest post from fellow computer people but some form of address mining operation. I could be wrong but I still waiting to see. Dwight

22 years, 9 months

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hmm... new batch of search engine mailers :) AND Re: RFQ Fluke pods

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

This is exactly the kind of non-member posting that I've been complaining about. Artfromny is not a computer collector, he is a well known seller of Fluke pods on E-bay. He doesn't want these for repairing classic computers. He wants them to sell on E-bay. Joe At 08:23 AM 10/27/03 -0800, Gene wrote: >Oh look, the idiot trap caught another one.... > >g. > > >On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Art Mallet - Artfromny - formerly A218(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Hi I saw a vectorlist mention that you had Fluke pods. >> >> Please quote for >> >> quantity 2 - 9000A-8085 >> quantity 2 - 9000A-6809 >> >> Please include air insured shipping to US zip 12118. Payment will be made >> in >> certified funds in advance of shipping. Thank you >> >> Art Mallet >> >> Art >> NOTE: The tax message below applies only to items that I am selling NOT >> items that I am buying or have bought or won on eBay. >> If I have posted an item for sale or this email is in reference to an item >> that I have for sale, >> NY State sales tax of 7.25% applies to all sales shipped to a NY State >> address or >> picked up at my warehouse. >> >> > >

22 years, 9 months

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Digital cards list (was: hardware/books clearout)

by witchy＠binarydinosaurs.co.uk

Hi folks, Sorry its taken me a while to get round to listing the DEC cards I've got - it's half-term school holiday here so we're entertaining our little one :) This is all of them I think; there's a DEQNA and some RL02 logic/spares I'm keeping for my own RL02 for when I get it running on my PDP....heh.... All these came from storage in an electronics workshop but that's no guarantee they're in working order. The List: --------- Pro 380 floppy controller Pro 380 DECNA network card Oak Technology VGA, EISA card. (it's in the same box) M9058 MicroVAX disk distribution card M7546 TQK50 controller M8067 MSV11 memory, 2 off M8190 PDP 11/83 KDJ11-B cpu M8061 RLV12, 2 off M7621 MicroVAX memory M7606 MicroVAX II CPU M8189 PDP 11/23+ KDF11-B CPU, 2 off M7555 RQDX3 disk controller, 2 off M7559 TQK70 controller M8190 PDP 11/23 KDJ11 CPU, 2 off M9047 Grant continuity cards, 4 off but damaged purple tabs on all. There's also an H7848-BB PSU which I assume is from a MicroVAX 2000 or DECmate. Best offer after a week gets 'em. I'll contact those of you who've offered on the books and CDDS sets in the next day or so. cheers! -- adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o(

22 years, 10 months

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Manuals up for grabs

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

I've placed a number of 'classic' manuals up on E-pay. Among them are the DHV11 Technical Manual, the Installation and System Management guides for RSTS/E 9.7, the user's manual for the VAXstation 3100/M38 and for the VT220, and other nice goodies. You can do a 'Search by Seller' on 'bftbell' (sans quotes) if you're interested. Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green, aka Steve Smith)

22 years, 10 months

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list links fixed

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I "upgraded" the custom classiccmp pages that Jeff Sharp wrote so that they now have the right post actions and variables set for the newer version of mailman. So now you can start at www.classiccmp.org and navigate to the lists, or just go to www.classiccmp.org/cctalk.html or www.classiccmp.org/cctech.html and things should work fine. I tested the "edit options" as well as subscribe/unsubscribe for both lists. On to the next problem! Oh, and my inbox is finally down a bit... just under 1000. WOOHOO! Jay --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

22 years, 10 months

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How about a PDP-10? (RE: A real PDP-8 that you can hang on yo ur w all!)

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Well, I do not know (did not check...) the PDP-10 support in SIMH *if* it is available. Otherwise you could add the PDP-10 :-) I am still working (though it's been a year since I actually have spent time on it) on a self-made PDP-11/40 console that can be connected to E11. However, that would also require some work to be done by John Wilson. Within a few months I will start work on the adaptation of the SIMH code to include this *real* console. E11 support is for later ... For an impression see www.pdp-11.nl click the link "homebrew PDP-11". - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: Corda Albert J DLVA [mailto:CordaAJ@nswc.navy.mil] > Sent: maandag 27 oktober 2003 20:30 > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > Subject: How about a PDP-10? (RE: A real PDP-8 that you can > hang on your > w all!) > > > Any chance you guys might try do this for a PDP-10? ;-) A KA10 front > panel would be a bit bigger, but would provide plenty of > room for the more complex emulator circuitry... > > And yes, I know there are software-based '10 emulators, but for > some reason I can't explain, I've always desired a hardware-based > 10 emulator (like the XKL, only affordable). > > -al- > -acorda(a)1bigred.com

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AT&T 6300s

by r_a_feldman＠hotmail.com

(My apologies if this is a double post, but I'n not sure it sent on the first try.) The 6300's had a number of oddities. As mentioned by others, the video was non-standard and power to the monitor came through the video cable, not through a separate line cord. This was true of _most_ units, as where I worked we had some 6300's with separate EGA cards and regular EGA monitors. You could also remove the standard card (while also disconnecting the monitor power line and setting some jumpers) and use your own card. Many programs (e.g., Lotus 123, Borland Reflex) had special video drivers for the 6300. The keyboard used a 15 pin D connector. IIRC, Keytronic made a replacement keyboard for the 6300. The clock/calendar stopped working correctly at the start of 1988 (IIRC). You could get a CLOCK.SYS device driver to set the proper year. Most of the hard disk drives I saw were standard half height 5 1/4" Segate models (225's ?). The floppy disk controller was integrated into the mother board. It could be disabled, but that took some doing. On a number of our machines, I added a 2nd floppy -- a 3 1/2" -- in addition to the 5 1/4". This was a bit of a trick, as the case only has bays for two drives (1 floppy, one HD). What I did was mount the HD internall. You could only do this if all the cards were half length, as the drive sat over some of the unused card slots and against the ends of the half length cards. I used aluminum cut from a cookie baking sheet to make a support bracket. Putting the HD internal freed up the second drive bay for the 3 1/2" drive. I also used a drive controller from JDR Micro Devices that had its own BIOS that coexisted with the built-in controller and added the extra drive after the internal ones, making the 5 1/4 drive both A: and B:, the 3 1/2 C: and the hard drive D:. The expansion slots were on a board that was mounted back-to-back with the mother board. Taking off the top of the case exposed the power supply and card slots. There was a separate cover plate _under_ the case that covered the mother board. Bob _________________________________________________________________ Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

22 years, 10 months

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Dealing with the Press

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Chad Fernandez" <fernande(a)internet1.net> > >evan wrote: >> In fact, local newspapers are still the >> heart of American journalism, and most do a superb at >> covering their regions and small towns, in a way that >> the AP or CNN never will be able to do. > >In my local paper they get stuff wrong all the time. Many times they >don't spell correctly, either. Hi I thought I might add that our local newspaper also creates many contrived stories. Although it would seem to the general reader that they were getting better coverage, most of the stories are misleading. Almost all of the quotes are taken >from context and were not even originally spoken in terms of the created story. It is called freedom of the press. I tend to call it fraud. I don't consider fiction as useful information regardless of how close to home it is or what cause it promotes. Dwight > >> There were other comments that are really wrong. >> "Don't look them straight in the eye" is just silly. > >That post was a bit confusing, but it wasn't talking about not looking >the reporter in the eye. It was talking about not looking the crazy >collector in the eye. I think it was Sellem that followed that up with >chewing his way through a fence to get to a computer. > >I don't think anyone here thinks 100% of the press are idiots. It's >just that the majority were English/Journalism majors, so they have a >background very far removed from the background of most list members. > >Chad Fernandez >Michigan, USA > >

22 years, 10 months

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hmm... new batch of search engine mailers :)

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > ---snip--- > > >> >>Remember, the list is here to try to HELP people with classic computer >>stuff, which includes giving/selling stuff to people that need/want it. >>It annoys the hell out of me everytime I see this topic pop up, after Jay >>has already explained what's going on. > > And it annoys me to have to wade through piles of messages from clueless >people asking for or about things that happened so long ago that I don't >even remember what the conversation was about or who posted it. on top of >that, I've tried helping a number of them and 99% of them never have the >courtesy to reply. One batch of CC list messages that I got this weekend >had nine messages in it and SEVEN of them were this type messages. Frankly >I get tired of the "I see you have an Altair. I'll take it if it's free and >you're willing to pay the shipping and guarantee that it works." type >messages. > Hi The problem seems to be that there is some ulterior motive for these post. The fact that none reply indicates that these people are after something other than help from list members. What that is, I don't know. I have stopped replying to these until I know what they are up to. It could be some form of address gathering but the messages indicate that they took some time to compose the message ( although the content tends to lack knowledge of the subject ). It is possible that there is some kind of AI application harvesting addresses from replies. The messages have just enough similarity to let me believe this might be true. Dwight

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HP cable sought

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Looking for the cable that goes from an HP2100/1000 cpu to a 2895B paper tape punch. I can fabricate one from spare cables, but I'd rather get an original. Anyone have one to trade? Jay West --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

22 years, 10 months

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Why am I unsubscribed?

by jrice54＠charter.net

Why am I unsubscribed from both lists?

22 years, 10 months

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Digital BA363 Personal Storage Shelf

by david_comley＠yahoo.com

I pulled one of these out of the trash a while back and finally got around to trying it this weekend. I installed three disks but it seems unresponsive. Maybe that's why it was in the trash - but before I give up on it is there anything unusual about the SCSI interface on these devices ? None of the disks responded to a SCSI probe. -Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

22 years, 10 months

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PDP-11/23

by pat＠purdueriots.com

Hey, I just got a random email from someone that's selling one of these over in the UK. As that's a bit far for me, and the machine looks like it's in awesome shape, I though I'd send the info to the list incase someone on the other side of the pond was interested. The seller claims it "was never used", and it looks fairly well loaded. I've got no affiliation to the seller, just passing this on. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Their message: Hi, Just to let you know that we are selling a Digital DEC PDP 11/23 machine on eBay and we thought you may be interested. ?If you would like to have a look, please click on the following: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2568418690 Many Thanks for your time, Richard J. Brain ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/

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PDP-11/23

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

In that case, would you have a switch for an older AT power supply that has all 4 bayonettes pointing directly aft, instead of at 90 degrees to the switch? ___ ___ --|___|:: --|___| : : Needed config Normal config Cheers... Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> -----Original Message----- From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@siconic.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 12:12 AM To: jwstephens(a)msm.umr.edu; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: PDP-11/23 On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, jim wrote: > > And if you don't have the time or energy to watch eBay then they probably > > don't care either way. eBay has a search tool. > > that sucks. it only searchs for full word matches and literal matches. > > I think that items that are rare (that is subjective) should be posted > here, especially if in the poster's opinion, the rest of the list may > not find it. Or use the Vintage Computer Marketplace since it's superior to eBay in too many ways to mention and is also tailored specifically for computer collectors. Spread the word. Tell all the people you buy vintage stuff from on eBay to use the VCM instead. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

22 years, 10 months

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list change

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 28, 9:56, der Mouse wrote: > > Also - this bears repeating... do *NOT* subscribe to both lists! > > ...why not? I'd rather get two copies of stuff sent to both than no > copies of stuff sent to the oen I'm not on; that's why I subscribed to > both. Because it's not two lists. It's two views of the same list -- everything posted to cctech is automatically seen by cctalk; everything *on topic* posted to cctalk is also seen by cctech. In other language, cctech is a proper subset of cctalk (and cctalk is a superset of cctech). Therefore, if you subscribe to cctalk, you see everything, and your posts go to cctech if they're relevant; if you subscribe to cctech, you only see part of the list traffic, but everything you post is seen by every subscriber. What's worst is posting to both; then *everyone* gets two copies of what you post. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 10 months

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hmm... new batch of search engine mailers :)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 28, 2:09, Patrick Finnegan wrote: > That being said, Jay: It'd probably be nice if the people realized they > were posting to a list when they tried to 'reply' to a message in the > archives. Would it be possible to make the mailto: link read "mailing > list" or something, instead of being the poster's name with the email > going to the list? ATM, how it's set up, it's easy to think you're > sending a message to a person, not a list of people. That's just my > suggestion (and perhaps it'll help out with these weekly threads). <aol> I agree :-) </aol> -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 10 months

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are there any Hauppauge 4860 motherboard owners?

by cpg＠aladdin.de

Hi, the Hauppauge 4860 motherboard holds 2 processors, one i486 and one i860. I've written a tool to run programs on the i860 that I want to share, and I'm also looking for other users of the board. You can find the loader tool at ftp://ftp.groessler.org/pub/chris/i860/hauppauge_4860/loader-0.50.tar.gz . regards, chris

22 years, 10 months

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hmm... new batch of search engine mailers :)

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hiyall, Is it me, or does this *often* happen right after the weekend? --f -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

22 years, 10 months

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(one) problem with list identified - please read

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I am not sure exactly what went on with this, but I am guessing that perhaps the old version of mailman had it's own templates and the new version uses different web templates, both of which are apparently active. If anyone is having problems logging in to change their subscription settings.... do not use www.classiccmp.org/cctech.html or www.classiccmp.org/cctalk.html Those two links are where the classiccmp website points to for modifying your membership. The correct links are: www.classiccmp.org/mailman/options/cctech and www.classiccmp.org/mailman/options/cctalk These two links will let you change your subscription options. These links aren't the "normal" way to get to it... since apparently the mailman website structure changed with the upgrade (and the old customized pieces from Jeff Sharp are still there) - the old pages do things wrong. I'll straighten it out shortly, but temporarily you can use the above two links! Jay West

22 years, 10 months

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list change

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Stan wrote.... > I hope it's setup a bit more leniently for existing subscribers. > I.e., it should be possible for a CCTALK subscriber to post to CCTECH > and vice versa ... for obvious reasons. But that's the whole point... if a cctalker posts to cctalk, he IS posting to cctech by doing so. He should NOT post to cctech directly or he will get rejected as he should be. And a cctecher posting to cctech IS posting to cctalk, just by posting to cctech. One more time... if someone posts to cctech, the list server automatically cross posts the same message to cctalk - for him - he doesn't need to do it. This happens instantaneously. If someone posts to cctalk, the list software posts the message to cctech as well automatically, but, it's held for moderation. Hummm Maybe to drive this point home I need to disallow posts to cctalk, and disallow posts to cctech email addresses for ANYTHING. Instead, everyone will have to post to classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org, which is really what they should be doing anyway because there really isn't two separate lists. There is ONE list, but with two views. Jay

22 years, 10 months

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Wanted: CMS manuals

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

One of the other list members and I have a bunch of Exorbus cards made by CMS. He's trying to convince me to put together an Exorbus system with them. We have planty of cards but NO docs. Does anyone have docs for ANY of the CMS stuff? Joe

22 years, 10 months

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Can anyone ID this Digital board?

by ian_primus＠yahoo.com

I found this board at a scrapper's in a bin of circuit boards (I was looking for EPROM chips). This one had some interesting chips on it, but it also had those funny off center modular jack things, so I recognized it as Digital. What did this come from? My best guess would be a VaxStation, but I don't really know. I would like to get this machine functional (I always wanted something I could run VMS on). Can anyone help me with the pinouts of the power connector? Can I connect some sort of disk drive to boot from, or do I need some additional controller boards? What are the ports for, and how would I connect a terminal? Is it even worth the effort to try and rebuild this computer, or should I just continue on my quest for a VAX? Thanks! http://24.194.65.231/images/digital_board_1.jpg http://24.194.65.231/images/digital_board_2.jpg http://24.194.65.231/images/digital_board_3.jpg Ian Primus ian_primus(a)yahoo.com

22 years, 10 months

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How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use?

by wrljet＠yahoo.com

Cheapest machinery mover in the area wanted $800 to move the machine from the seller's location to my driveway. <snip> > They then backed it around the house and got it close to the building where > I wanted it, then extended the boom and set the lathe right at the end of > the building. (How I actually got it IN the building is another story!) The > whole operation only took about five minutes and they only charged about > $20. (I did give the driver a generous tip!) It was WELL worth it! > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

22 years, 10 months

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DEC InfoServer vs. VAX 3100 [results]

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hiyall, OK, here are the results of the Dutch jury :) We grabbed: - one InfoServer 150VXT - one VAXserver 3100 (low-profile model) and installed ESS V3.0 onto the InfoServer. That, obviously, works fine. We then cleaned up the 3100, and did a basic test on its functions... all OK, machine has 8MB, RZ23. Ripped out the extra I/O boards and the extra 4MB, to make it look more like a standard InfoServer machine. We put the IS ROMs into the 3100. Started up.. all looks good, just like it were an InfoServer. Next step: connect the hard disk (RZ24) of the InfoServer to the 3100. Set the boot flag to D0000000 (IS standard) and.. yay, off we go. We have an IS 3100 :) (actually, it reports itself as being an 150, so that all seems to work out fine.) We then connected another disk (a standard RZ23 104MB) and did an install of IS onto that disk. No problems there, either.. the ESS software assumes it's an IS150. So there. YES, IT WORKS. One caveat: this 3100 seems to want the console port MMJ port 3, unlike most others I have seen. ESS puts it on port 1, so, after booting the VAX into ESS, you have to re-plug the console terminal into port 1 to get to the ESS login prompt. Other than that, all works fine and as expected. Phase II now continues: will this also work on a VAXstation 3100, i.e., the other mainboard? Watch this channel for more updates... [this programme co-sponsored by The Coca-Cola Company] --fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

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How about a PDP-10? (RE: A real PDP-8 that you can hang on your w all!)

by CordaAJ＠NSWC.NAVY.MIL

Any chance you guys might try do this for a PDP-10? ;-) A KA10 front panel would be a bit bigger, but would provide plenty of room for the more complex emulator circuitry... And yes, I know there are software-based '10 emulators, but for some reason I can't explain, I've always desired a hardware-based 10 emulator (like the XKL, only affordable). -al- -acorda(a)1bigred.com -----Original Message----- From: bob(a)jfcl.com [mailto:bob@jfcl.com] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 4:07 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: A real PDP-8 that you can hang on your wall! Many of you have already heard of the SBC6120, our single board PDP-8/E clone that you can build from a kit. The SBC6120 now has a complete lights and switches front panel, and the entire assembly, including a hard disk drive, is about 9" by 15" and 2 1/2" thick and can be framed and hung on the wall like a painting. You can see a photo of Debee with one at http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/images/Debee%20and%20FP6120.jpg Everything is fully functional; all the lights and switches work as you'd expect and the SBC6120 is able to run most PDP-8 software including FOCAL and OS/8. You can read all about it on our web site at http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/SBC6120-2.htm and http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/SBC6120_Front_Panel.htm The entire project is open source, and you can download everything there is to know about the SBC6120 and front panel, including manuals, schematics, and firmware source code, from http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Download.htm If you like what you see then you can have one for your own wall, and we'd be happy to sell you a kit of parts to help you build one. Visit our web store for ordering information http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Store.htm Thanks, Bob Armstrong

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Help request: Impact printer by the digital group

by oldcomp＠cox.net

Hi all, I am in the process of restoring a 96 column impact printer sold by the digital group around 1977. (See my progress at: http://members.cox.net/oldcomp3/dgp/dgprinter.shtml) The first question I have is about the print head: Does anyone have any idea what, if anything, is the proper lubricant for a print head? What little lubricant I found on the heads felt like it might be a silicone grease of some kind. I have no idea if this was original lubricant or not. Labels I have found on other printers warn against oiling the print head, stating that the heads are lifetime oiled at time of manufacture. Next, I wonder if anyone on the list might have any information on the printer itself, which appears to have been manufactured by Practical Automation Inc., of Shelton Conn., or on the digital group electronics. Any ideas? -Bryan

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Northgate keyboard

by 1buckwheat＠earthlink.net

Hey, do you still have the Northgate keyboard? I'd be interested in purchasing if it you did. Thanks. Rick Adams

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list change

by cb＠mythtech.net

>> Also - this bears repeating... do *NOT* subscribe to both lists! > >...why not? I'd rather get two copies of stuff sent to both than no >copies of stuff sent to the oen I'm not on; that's why I subscribed to >both. I was under the impression that if you wanted ALL the email, you subscribe to cctalk. It gets the Talk messages as well as the Tech messages. And if you wanted just the subset of messages that are strictly on topic, you subscribe to cctech. So if you subscribe to both, then every single Tech message you get will be a duplicate of a Talk message. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Tandy 1000 HX Problem

by teoz＠neo.rr.com

I recently recieved a Tandy 1000 HX in beat up condition that I gutted to upgrade my mint condition version. I removed the memory upgrade card and installed it into my stock unit to give 640K memory. I installed one of the 3.5" drives from the beat up unit into my machine (2 drives there now) but the computer doesnt recognise it. Is there a jumper on the unit or software that is needed to setup the 2nd 3.5" internal drive? I connected the gutted unit up and it still tries to find the 2nd drive I removed so its not autodetected.

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Digital BA363 Personal Storage Shelf

by classiccmp＠crash.com

David Comley wrote: > > before I give up > on it is there anything unusual about the SCSI > interface on these devices ? None of the disks > responded to a SCSI probe. Nothing unusual about the outside of it. Normal old fashioned SCSI. I've got a couple of the BA353's, which are fast narrow and have HD50 connectors. Big flat thing with three bays side by side, the rightmost one of which can take a 5.25" device. Is what you've got a BA353, or is the BA363 different, like maybe a wide SCSI bus? I don't know the model for the PC mid-tower sized desktop units with room for a couple drives... --S.

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Fw: DISK DRIVE FILTERS

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Various people asked me for the source I got pricing from on air filters. Here's the scoop... ----- Original Message ----- From: BarbATairfilters(a)aol.com To: JWEST(a)classiccmp.org Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 4:30 PM Subject: DISK DRIVE FILTERS WE HAVE ALL THE FILTERS THAT YOU ARE REQUESTING- I ONLY HAVE THE RK O5 IN STOCK BUT THE REST WOULD ONLY TAKE A FEW DAYS TO GET- HERE ARE THE PRICES HP 7906 73.50 EA. RK O5 67.00 EA. 6061/6060- 66.00 EA. HP 7900A- 74.00 EA. HP 7906D- 74.00 EA. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO GIVE ME A CALL IF I CAN DO ANYTHING ELSE FOR YOU- 520-624-2272 AND ASK FOR BARBARA PALMER- THANKS-

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'moderator approval' Re: cctech Digest, Vol 2, Issue 26

by mross666＠hotmail.com

Ummm why am I seeing this? I didn't send the offending message and I'm sure this wasn't intended for the list.... and I don't subscribe to cctalk anyway! Mike http://www.corestore.org >From: cctech-request(a)classiccmp.org >Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org >To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: cctech Digest, Vol 2, Issue 26 >Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:01:41 -0500 (CDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from huey.classiccmp.org ([209.145.140.36]) by >mc5-f26.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 24 Oct 2003 >10:02:31 -0700 >Received: from huey.classiccmp.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])by >huey.classiccmp.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9OH14gI029703;Fri, 24 >Oct 2003 12:01:41 -0500 (CDT)(envelope-from cctech-bounces(a)classiccmp.org) >X-Message-Info: vAu4ZEtdRiin8eBT9NiqCriHHhjSd5+m >Message-Id: <200310241701.h9OH14gI029703(a)huey.classiccmp.org> >X-BeenThere: cctech(a)classiccmp.org >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 >Precedence: list >List-Id: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only <cctech.classiccmp.org> >List-Unsubscribe: ><http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech>,<mailto:cctech-request@classiccmp.org?subject=unsubscribe> >List-Archive: <http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech> >List-Post: <mailto:cctech@classiccmp.org> >List-Help: <mailto:cctech-request@classiccmp.org?subject=help> >List-Subscribe: ><http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech>,<mailto:cctech-request@classiccmp.org?subject=subscribe> >Sender: cctech-bounces(a)classiccmp.org >Errors-To: cctech-bounces(a)classiccmp.org >Return-Path: cctech-bounces(a)classiccmp.org >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2003 17:02:32.0468 (UTC) >FILETIME=[9D5CED40:01C39A50] > >Send cctech mailing list submissions to > cctech(a)classiccmp.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cctech-request(a)classiccmp.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > cctech-owner(a)classiccmp.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of cctech digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Your message to cctalk awaits moderator approval > (cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:54:45 -0500 >From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Your message to cctalk awaits moderator approval >To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >Message-ID: <mailman.126.1066967685.128.cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Your mail to 'cctalk' with the subject > > Decrease your CPU temperature up to 20C! > >Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > >The reason it is being held: > > Post by non-member to a members-only list > >Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive >notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel >this posting, please visit the following URL: > > >http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/confirm/cctalk/4670ebe5ab8d23b380aa1bf2b3… > > >End of cctech Digest, Vol 2, Issue 26 >************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

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list change

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I'm trying to wade through all the issues and get them caught up. One change of note... Posts from non-subscribers are now rejected, not held for moderation. So if you have been posting as a non-member, you will have to join. Also - this bears repeating... do *NOT* subscribe to both lists! Subscribe to one or the other. If you want to post from multiple email addresses, you have to subscribe all of them (TO THE SAME LIST), and set all but one for "no email". Thanks for hanging in there folks. Jay West

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How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use?

by PLancashire＠columbia.com

correct thats why the sp? :) going to be using these guys again .. the organ has to be moved >from the basement to the ground floor, and I have to move a 6' enclosed rack into the basement. I just wish they didn't make it look so easy ! -pete -----Original Message----- From: Chad Fernandez [mailto:fernande@internet1.net] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:14 AM To: General(a)internet1.net; On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use? Do you mean they were Samoan, Samoa? Somalian are from Somalia, in Africa. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA Lancashire, Pete wrote: > A fun note was the three guys that showed up where Somlians (sp?), > originally

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Fastest Drum printer

by PLancashire＠columbia.com

Last night got into a good old days conversion about printers. I'm trying to find out what was the fastest drum printer. My belief is it was a model made by Burroughs where in times long ago i had a great time, ah still can remember knowing the status of a job by the squeal of the 5500's power supplies, sorry i slipped into memory. If I remember there was a printer, that in 1975 was considered old, but it was either 1,100 or 1,400 LPM with at Uppercase drum. I also remember the printer controller being about the same size as the printer. Character registration sucked, but if all you wanted was a something that would get trashed, it sure was quick. If you wanted quality output there was a new chain/train printer that was as good if not better then the 1403. Anyone can help ? -pete

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How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use?

by PLancashire＠columbia.com

give piano movers a try. I had a Hammond (guts same as a B3), its weight 450# plus 100# for the amp/speakers all moved for moved for $250. Their fee was $200 for the move and $50 for each set of stairs. >From memory, the size of what I was moving did not make a difference as long as it fit in their truck. A fun note was the three guys that showed up where Somlians (sp?), originally >from Hawaii. They got out all their moving stuff, but then took a look at the organ, two of them just picked it up with out any stress and carried it into the truck .. scary :) -pete -----Original Message----- From: Fred N. van Kempen [mailto:waltje@pdp11.nl] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:39 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use? On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, JP Hindin wrote: > I am faced with picking up a sizeable IBM some hours from where I live > in the next few weeks. What I had originally planned to do has fallen > through, and now I am left trying to work out how best to lift what > has been estimated as 800+lbs of 1978 IBM. Heh. Heavy iron requires the use of heavy neighbors. Er. Did I just say that? Ahwell. Tis true. Although I can usually move the smaller stuff in either my own (sedan) car, or a small van, big stuff needs a truck with a not-too-high loading bay. I'd kill for a used U-Haul truck here, really... those, albeit ragged down, are perfect for loading up old iron... And, then, of course, the neighbors and friends come into the picture, 'cos at some point, the goods needs to be moved into a storage, garage, or, in my case, upstairs room :) (yes, that is always a neighborhood project here.. and they love it ;-) Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

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at&t 6310

by general＠emr.net

Hello, I've been trying for weeks to obtain some basic information about an AT&T 6310 personal computer I'm trying to restore. You seem to have one! All I need to know is what the following original parts were: hard drive drive controller card floppy drives (make, model, and face color) Any help you may be able to offer would be _greatly_ appreciated. It's amazing how little information or support there is for AT&T/Olivetti computers on the web or from AT&T, Olivetti, or NCR. Thanks much, Jim Carter

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eBay: SWTPC 6800 computer

by tothwolf＠concentric.net

For those of you who have spare cash this month (I just got stuck with a $150+ shipping bill that should have been ~$60.00), there is a SWTPC 6800 computer up on ebay at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2761984200 Starting bid is $300. Seems to have a fairly complete board set (though the system itself seems to have been modified somewhat). I'd guess that it had been used for some sort of data acquisition at some point. Not affiliated with seller, etc, etc. -Toth

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Testing undesired holds

by dave＠mitton.com

just a test... for Jay.

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How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use?

by n8uhn＠yahoo.com

Sounds like you are trying to move an sys/34? i tried a uhaul truck in the past, only to find that the metal ramp is just wide enough to allow the casters to lock on the the sides of the ramp. also ibm casters only move when they want and thier direction of travel is never the way you want them to go. what works for me? lumber in the form of 8 foot 4 by 6 cant's, a good chain fall and a trailer that has the wheels on eather side of it - not under it (keeps the weight of the load from allowing the trailer bottom deck to set down on top of the tires) the bridgeport page is the best example of this type of move. the chain falls? i use a second chain that is looped around two casters and 2x4's as levers if needed - my wooden trailer has a 3 inch hole in the back which allows a chain to pass through it on it's way to the tongue which is then wrapped around it - the chain falls go on the trailer side of the chain to pull the heavy metal on the ramps and into the trailer a forklift is the best way to load/unload heavy ibm metal from the trailer, if the forks are long enough or one picks up tje machine by the power supply end - ditto for all the sys3x series. Bill Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:56:32 -0400 (EDT) From: vance(a)neurotica.com Subject: Re: How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use? To: JP Hindin <jplist(a)kiwigeek.com> Cc: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, JP Hindin wrote: > I am faced with picking up a sizeable IBM some hours >from where I live > in the next few weeks. What I had originally planned to do has fallen > through, and now I am left trying to work out how best to lift what has > been estimated as 800+lbs of 1978 IBM. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

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How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use?

by PLancashire＠columbia.com

oh and when doing jobs on the side, there company name is Big Al's .. and Al is big ! -----Original Message----- From: Chad Fernandez [mailto:fernande@internet1.net] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:14 AM To: General(a)internet1.net; On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use? Do you mean they were Samoan, Samoa? Somalian are from Somalia, in Africa. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA Lancashire, Pete wrote: > A fun note was the three guys that showed up where Somlians (sp?), > originally

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Destinations in Charleston, SC

by pietstan＠rogers.com

Now that I've finally got a bit of a vacation coming up, are there any worthwhile classic (translation: DEC-collector) destinations or sources in Charleston or vicinity?

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GE 73 bulbs for RL02

by jontitus＠comcast.net

Try Bulb Direct at www.bulbdirect.com. I didn't see anything on the company's Web pages about a minimum order. Search for "73." You can view an outline of the bulb. I'm not sure the two "73" bulbs they offer fill the bill, but you can check it out. Jon Jon Titus 36 Sunset Drive Milford, MA 01757-1362 USA Phone: +1-508-478-8040 E-mail: jontitus(a)comcast.net Member, National Association of Science Writers -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 7:38 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: cctalk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 10 Send cctalk mailing list submissions to cctalk(a)classiccmp.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org You can reach the person managing the list at cctalk-owner(a)classiccmp.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of cctalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Garage sale, DEC 3000/500 $50, HSZ40 $25, ... (Shannon Hoskins) 2. Re: Used Atari 2600 Game Cartridge goes for over $70 (David Holland) 3. Re: memory refresher on PUTR (W.B.(Wim) Hofman) 4. Re: black paper tape = mylar? (Eric Smith) 5. Re: memory refresher on PUTR (Eric Smith) 6. Re: memory refresher on PUTR (Fred N. van Kempen) 7. Re: 27SF512-70 (Joe) 8. Re: black paper tape = mylar? (Joe) 9. DEC cards available (John Rollins) 10. RE: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! (John Rollins) 11. Re: Am I seeing things? (Zane H. Healy) 12. Re: Am I seeing things? (Ed Sharpe) 13. Re: Am I seeing things? (Jay West) 14. Re: 27SF512-70 (John Lawson) 15. FA: HP 3000 cards and Omnibook Docking Station (Joe) 16. Re: Am I seeing things? (Vintage Computer Festival) 17. Re: Am I seeing things? (Fred N. van Kempen) 18. Re: Am I seeing things? (Joe) 19. Re: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! (TeoZ) 20. Re: Am I seeing things? (Joe) 21. RCS/RI Still In Existence? (O. Sharp) 22. VCF - Stuff for Sale (Marvin Johnston) 23. Re: Am I seeing things? (Ed Sharpe) 24. Re: Intel Programmer IPPS format (Robert Maxwell) 25. Re: Am I seeing things? (Fred N. van Kempen) 26. Re: DEC cards available Update (John Rollins Jr) 27. Re: Am I seeing things? (Chad Fernandez) 28. Re: Am I seeing things? (chris) 29. RE: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! (chris) 30. Re: Am I seeing things? (John Lawson) 31. Re: Need IIci cache cards (Geoff Reed) 32. Posting times (Marvin Johnston) 33. Re: Betr.: Acorn Econet (Tony Duell) 34. GE 73 bulbs for RL02 (John A. Dundas III) 35. VCF Want: Pertec formatters for Kennedy 9100 (John Lawson) 36. Re: VCF Want: Pertec formatters for Kennedy 9100 (Al Kossow) 37. SemiDisk Solid State Disk Emulator (Patrick Rigney) 38. Re: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! (Ian Primus) 39. Re: Posting times (Al Kossow) 40. Re: black paper tape = mylar? (Bob Shannon) 41. Re: Fat (512K) Mac Revival? (Andrew Strouse) 42. Re: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! (chris) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:39:13 -0700 From: "Shannon Hoskins" <pds3(a)ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Garage sale, DEC 3000/500 $50, HSZ40 $25, ... To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <000c01c38c1f$ff2b2bc0$7f3ba5d1@shannon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Zane, Where are you located? Sincerely, Shannon Hoskins ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Garage sale, DEC 3000/500 $50, HSZ40 $25, ... > > Am I crazy to sell a DEC 3000/500 server (desk side) for $50? I > > believe it's got all the RAM it can fit and disk in and lots SCSI > > plugs out. My HSZ40s go for $25 a piece. My HP9000K400 with 2xDDS2 > > drives and 30 GB (?) RAID array and HP Terminal all in one rack go > > for $100. > > > > Am I crazy or just fed up about stuff taking space in my garage? > > I can't really comment on the HP (though it might be a little low). The > DEC3000/500 sounds about right. The HSZ40's are old enough to probably be > reasonable. > > Zane ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:14:56 -0400 (EDT) From: David Holland <dholland(a)woh.rr.com> Subject: Re: Used Atari 2600 Game Cartridge goes for over $70 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310061253220.21014-100000(a)crusader.localdomain.home> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, TeoZ wrote: > easily, just be carefull. Then again the stuff I look for isnt that > expensive, I dont think I spent more then $150 on any 1 item on ebay and > that was when I started 3 years ago. Eh, I have. SGI Octane, MXI graphics, 195Mhz R10K, 256Mb mem, No Disk 400$. A year later, I still consider 400$ a pretty reasonable deal. The only reason I considered it was the seller was local.... I picked it up in person. Obligatory ontopic piece: I've a SGI Crimson w VGXT too, Anyone got a sled or and/or skins they want to get rid of cheap.. :-) David ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:46:43 +0200 From: "W.B.(Wim) Hofman" <hofmanwb(a)worldonline.nl> Subject: Re: memory refresher on PUTR To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <001501c38c32$071e8540$8594f0c3@computer4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 360 Wim ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay West <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: memory refresher on PUTR > I used to know this, but have forgotten, and now I'm getting ready to dig > the software back out... > > I believe it was a program called PUTR that I used on a PC to read/write > 5.25 floppy disks to exchange data with my PDP-11/23 that had an RX50 drive > in it. Should the PC drive be a 360k floppy or a 1.2m floppy? > > Wonder if there is some story as to the history of "disc" vs. "disk" :) HP > always used "disc". > > Jay West > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:00:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric Smith" <eric(a)brouhaha.com> Subject: Re: black paper tape = mylar? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <39309.64.169.63.74.1065463241.squirrel(a)ruckus.brouhaha.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > I was wanting to get some mylar paper tape. There is an auction on Ebay > for > 6 rolls of "black paper tape"... can one generally assume that black paper > tape is mylar and not just paper? No. All the black "paper tape" I've ever used was in fact paper. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:02:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric Smith" <eric(a)brouhaha.com> Subject: Re: memory refresher on PUTR To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <39321.64.169.63.74.1065463359.squirrel(a)ruckus.brouhaha.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > I believe it was a program called PUTR that I used on a PC to read/write > 5.25 floppy disks to exchange data with my PDP-11/23 that had an RX50 > drive > in it. Should the PC drive be a 360k floppy or a 1.2m floppy? 1.2M. The RX50 is an 80-track single sided drive, so their is no way to read or write the discs in a 40-track 360k drive. But a 1.2M drive will work fine. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:30:57 +0200 (CEST) From: "Fred N. van Kempen" <waltje(a)pdp11.nl> Subject: Re: memory refresher on PUTR To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.44.0310062030150.6561-100000(a)vaxlab.pdp11.nl> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Eric Smith wrote: > > I believe it was a program called PUTR that I used on a PC to read/write > > 5.25 floppy disks to exchange data with my PDP-11/23 that had an RX50 > > drive > > in it. Should the PC drive be a 360k floppy or a 1.2m floppy? > > 1.2M. The RX50 is an 80-track single sided drive, so their is no way > to read or write the discs in a 40-track 360k drive. But a 1.2M drive > will work fine. Hmm.. Jay: I stand corrected. Indeed, they're 80tr, not 40tr... --f ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:33:27 -0400 From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: 27SF512-70 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031006113327.007d6bb0(a)pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Somebody needs to tell this clown that this isn't his private procurement list! Joe At 05:09 PM 10/3/03 -0500, you wrote: >I would like to know if you have any of these chips available. They are >the direct flash replacement for the 27C512 that I'm looking for. > >Thanks >Mehdi Mir > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:35:36 -0400 From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: black paper tape = mylar? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031006113536.007d76a0(a)pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:48 AM 10/6/03 -0500, you wrote: >I was wanting to get some mylar paper tape. There is an auction on Ebay for >6 rolls of "black paper tape"... can one generally assume that black paper >tape is mylar and not just paper? NO! I have several boxs of black PAPER tape so they do (did!) make the stuff. Joe > >The URL is http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2562042672 > >Can anyone advise if this is likely to be mylar or not? > >Regards, > >Jay West > >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:34:42 -0700 From: John Rollins <kd7bcy(a)teleport.com> Subject: DEC cards available To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <a05200f02bba760e54682(a)[63.191.200.163]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I got these cards a while back(I think I asked what they were here on the list back in 2001), mostly MicroVAX II cards I think, all Q-bus. I'm mostly interested in getting these out of the way... I have no plans for building or keeping spares for a MicroVAX or anything beside my 11/84. Not sure what they're worth, and keep in mind they are untested. Make an offer plus actual shipping - I'll also consider trades for Unibus cards for my 11/84. Whatever the list doesn't want I'll probably put on eBay(I'll give you guys a week or two for those that don't keep up with their email very well). National Semiconductor NS638 - memory card with a 50-pin connector on the front Sigma Information Systems DZV11 clone unknown Emulex - marked TU0210401 M7551-CA MSV11-QC Q 4-Mbyte 22-bit parity/CSR MOS RAM M7164 KDA50-Q Q-bus SDI adapter 1 of 2 M7606-AF MicroVAX II CPU M7608-BC not in guide? MicroVAX II RAM M7608-BF M7516-YM DELQA-M Q Qbus to Ethernet Turbo Module, Q22 M8053-MA DMV11 Microprogrammed controller (needs one of M5930-M5931) with DDCMP control ROM (point-to-point or multidrop) I have three of these: M3104 DHV11-A Q 8-line Asynchronous Multiplexor, with DMA -- /------------------------------------\ | http://jrollins.tripod.com/ | | KD7BCY kd7bcy(a)teleport.com | \------------------------------------/From cctalk-admin Mon Oct 6 13:43:26 2003 Received: from epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net (epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.181]) by huey.classiccmp.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h96IhQH3038860 for <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:43:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kd7bcy(a)teleport.com) Received: from sdn-ap-014watacop0163.dialsprint.net ([63.191.200.163]) by epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1A6aC4-0004hY-00 for cctalk(a)classiccmp.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:34:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: kd7bcy(a)mail.teleport.com Message-Id: <a05200f01bba75f5eea9c(a)[63.191.200.163]> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:07:28 -0700 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org From: John Rollins <kd7bcy(a)teleport.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: Am I seeing things? X-BeenThere: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> List-Id: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk.classiccmp.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk>, <mailto:cctalk-request@classiccmp.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk> List-Post: <mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> List-Help: <mailto:cctalk-request@classiccmp.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk>, <mailto:cctalk-request@classiccmp.org?subject=subscribe> Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive or something? Especially these people mentioning a web site and asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that lately. -- /------------------------------------\ | http://jrollins.tripod.com/ | | KD7BCY kd7bcy(a)teleport.com | \------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:10:09 -0700 From: John Rollins <kd7bcy(a)teleport.com> Subject: RE: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <a05200f06bba76d893cd9(a)[63.191.200.163]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Apple stopped having the drives read and write 400 and 800 k disks a >while ago. Actually the System does that... I don't remember when though. I think it might have been System 8 that stopped reading 400k, I remember because I was real mad about not being able to use my PM6500 to do disks for my 128k, and then I ended up with an iMac and the iDock doesn't work under X(until you pull the cable going to the ADB and serial that is) but the USB floppy only handles 1.4MB anyway! So now it's time to get the LC up and running again I guess. But if you have Mac with the SuperDrive(floppy, not DVD-R!) in it, and you have something prior to System 8/9, you can do 400k disks all day long. Just keep a System 7 boot disk around! That oughta work with anything prior to a G3. -- /------------------------------------\ | http://jrollins.tripod.com/ | | KD7BCY kd7bcy(a)teleport.com | \------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:12:48 -0700 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <a05210621bba76f0597b7(a)[192.168.1.5]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive or something? Especially these people mentioning a web site and asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that lately. I must confess, I was wondering about the "Re: VAXen available" message... It made now sense to me. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:18:06 -0700 From: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <000d01c38c46$f474cac0$262e98ac(a)aoldsl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" and I thought I was the one imagining it! ed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rollins" <kd7bcy(a)teleport.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 11:07 AM Subject: Am I seeing things? > Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list > responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive > or something? Especially these people mentioning a web site and > asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that > lately. > > > -- > > /------------------------------------\ > | http://jrollins.tripod.com/ | > | KD7BCY kd7bcy(a)teleport.com | > \------------------------------------/ > > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:12:48 -0500 From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <00b001c38c3d$d4fdc380$033310ac(a)kwcorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes, there is a public archive of the list postings. I kinda thought that's what the public archives were FOR? I especially like it when they talk about ancient things *S* I filter a lot of these so they never hit the list. But often I let them through because I feel that is what we are here for.. to be a resource. Maybe I'm being too lenient? J > Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list > responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive > or something? Especially these people mentioning a web site and > asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that > lately. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:30:21 -0400 (EDT) From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> Subject: Re: 27SF512-70 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0310061523400.7182(a)panix1.panix.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Joe wrote: > Somebody needs to tell this clown that this isn't his private procurement > list! > > Joe Hey Joe... decaf, man - remember: Decaf!! ;} Anyway - do recall that whenever someone Googles for a specific part, it is possible that they get pointed to an old message from Classiccmp in an archive - and so they don't really have any way of knowing that they are adressing a list of amateur collectors - so ya cut 'em some slack a bit.. And just think - what if it was *you* that just happened to have a nice stash of them chips the poor guy is desperate for... woo hoo!! Cheers John ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:34:46 -0400 From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> Subject: FA: HP 3000 cards and Omnibook Docking Station To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031006153446.007f3d70(a)pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" <http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=rigdonj> Joe ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:40:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0310061240330.25704-100000(a)siconic.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, John Rollins wrote: > Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list > responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive > or something? Especially these people mentioning a web site and > asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that > lately. It comes in spurts. I think Jay is still (hopefully) working on a solution ;) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage mputers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at ttp://marketplace.vintage.org ] ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:41:37 +0200 (CEST) From: "Fred N. van Kempen" <waltje(a)pdp11.nl> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: Ed Sharpe <esharpe(a)uswest.net>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.44.0310062141210.6561-100000(a)vaxlab.pdp11.nl> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This seems to be coming our way in waves.... ahwell. --f ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:42:39 -0400 From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031006154239.007b9b70(a)pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:07 AM 10/6/03 -0700, you wrote: >Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list >responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive >or something? They seem to be responding to things out of the archive. Most of them are OLD and a couple of them are really OT. Personally I'd like to filter out any messages from non-members, or at least have them pre-viewed and approved by someone. My $.02 worth, Joe Especially these people mentioning a web site and >asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that >lately. > > >-- > >/------------------------------------\ >| http://jrollins.tripod.com/ | >| KD7BCY kd7bcy(a)teleport.com | >\------------------------------------/ > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:45:30 -0400 From: "TeoZ" <teoz(a)neo.rr.com> Subject: Re: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <010b01c38c42$66277d20$3d7ca418(a)neo.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have use my "newer" macs 8500/7500/840av/950/IIfx to make 800k disks for my IIgs and have noticed that the auto inject 1.44 drives use on the older systems (IIfx, 840av, 950) have no problems making disks that are readable on the IIgs while the 8500/7500 non inject floppies cant do it reliably. So your better off using an old quadra to make 800k disks for older machines. I have no idea about writing 400k disks because I dont have any machines that use them. ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:47:09 -0400 From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031006154709.007ba540(a)pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:12 PM 10/6/03 -0500, you wrote: >Yes, there is a public archive of the list postings. I kinda thought that's >what the public archives were FOR? I especially like it when they talk >about ancient things *S* > >I filter a lot of these so they never hit the list. But often I let them >through because I feel that is what we are here for.. to be a resource. >Maybe I'm being too lenient? Probably. I've replied to a couple of people looking for things and NONE of them has ever responded so I seldom bother any more. Joe ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:47:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "O. Sharp" <ohh(a)drizzle.com> Subject: RCS/RI Still In Existence? To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310061240280.19026-100000(a)drizzle.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anybody know if the Retrocomputing Society of Rhode Island (http://osfn.org/rcs/) is still around? I've sent a couple of e-mails their way, and tried their phone number, but not with any luck. I saw one of the things on their online "wish-list" up for auction on eBay, and thought about having a go at getting it for them, but it'd be nice to know if they still needed it first. (Not to mention making sure I wasn't bidding _against_ them. <g>) -O.- ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:58:17 -0700 From: Marvin Johnston <marvin(a)rain.org> Subject: VCF - Stuff for Sale To: ClassicCmp <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3F81C959.8B4B6FAA(a)rain.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rather than post the stuff here, a link to the things I'll be selling at VCF is at: http://www.rain.org/~marvin/vcf.txt As the week goes by, I'll be adding to the list and updating it as necessary. ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:12:13 -0700 From: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <004b01c38c4e$83718ae0$262e98ac(a)aoldsl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" no we just got confused as we all belong to both lists.... but it was freaky when it would appear as a group on the other list.... sometimes we forget there are two lists... no problem just tempory confusion all is well! ed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? > Yes, there is a public archive of the list postings. I kinda thought that's > what the public archives were FOR? I especially like it when they talk > about ancient things *S* > > I filter a lot of these so they never hit the list. But often I let them > through because I feel that is what we are here for.. to be a resource. > Maybe I'm being too lenient? > > J > > Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list > > responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive > > or something? Especially these people mentioning a web site and > > asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that > > lately. > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:24:35 -0400 From: Robert Maxwell <RMaxwell(a)atlantissi.com> Subject: Re: Intel Programmer IPPS format To: "'cctech(a)classiccmp.org'" <cctech(a)classiccmp.org>, "'dmabry(a)mich.com'" <dmabry(a)mich.com> Message-ID: <9726BA9DE867D51183B900B0D0AB85F8013E4873@INETMAIL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Dave, your hazy memory is great. You just filled in a critical blank that has made a world of difference. Searching the planet for references to "IPPS" turned up nothing, but "OMF" is still quite nicely documented on the Web. My favorite file-format reference, www.wotsit.org, has a document for OMF, as do some other sites. Armed with this knowledge, I can now look at modifying an old Motorola S-record to Intel Hex converter with a new front end to suck up the OMF records and spit them out in Hex. All the best, Bob Maxwell rmaxwell(a)atlantissi.com Dave Mabry wrote: > Now, as is normal for me, this is hazy, but I think I > remember what you > are talking about. > > Intel used a format they called "object module format" that > had header > information on each block, and several possible blocks. As I recall, > the MCS48 family, due to its limited memory addressibility, used the > same OMF (object module format) as the 8080. > > Naturally, since Intel defined it, all their tools could read > and write > it. IPPS was the name of the software used to read and write EPROMS, > etc, using Intel's iUP-201 programmer. > > All that being said, I think I can help you. If you don't > have anything > that can read and understand Intel's OMF, I do. I have a > working system > that can execute IPPS. There are other utilities in the > Intel operating > system, ISIS-II, that can also do this. I should be able to convert > your OMF file to an Intel HEX format file. Intel HEX is very > common and > most programmers can understand it. It is also block oriented, but > ascii characters rather than pure binary. > > Sorry to be so wordy, but bottom line is this. (into > Technicolor dream > mode) If you send me your OMF file I can convert it to HEX > and send it > back to you. Hope that will help. > > Dave > > Robert Maxwell wrote: > > This will meet the on-topic age requirement, at least... > > > > For programming devices like processors and EPROMS with > an Intel Universal > > Programmer, > > a file format was used, called "IPPS." I need to program > 8749 processors > > from files > > in IPPS format, and have no working Universal Programmer. > > > > The format appears to be a block-oriented binary, with a > file header > > identifying the > > target device, and headers of indeterminate size preceding > sections of > > binary code. > > Nobody I spoke to at Intel recognizes it. > > > > Does anybody remember, or have access to, > documentation/data or (dreaming > > in Technicolor(R)) > > a utility to convert IPPS files into a less-unique format, > say binary or > > Intel Hex? This > > would save me from having to type in hex values from an old > listing to > > regenerate the code. ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:27:55 +0200 (CEST) From: "Fred N. van Kempen" <waltje(a)pdp11.nl> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.44.0310062227330.31211-100000(a)vaxlab.pdp11.nl> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > It comes in spurts. I think Jay is still (hopefully) working on a > solution ;) Yeah, lets hope Jay's working on his spurts. --f ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:33:49 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: John Rollins Jr <kd7bcy(a)teleport.com> Subject: Re: DEC cards available Update To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <11306683.1065472434057.JavaMail.root(a)waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Started to go fast! These are still available: National Semiconductor NS638 - memory card with a 50-pin connector on the front Sigma Information Systems DZV11 clone unknown Emulex - marked TU0210401 M7164 KDA50-Q Q-bus SDI adapter 1 of 2 M7606-AF MicroVAX II CPU M7608-BC not in guide? MicroVAX II RAM M7608-BF I have three of these: M3104 DHV11-A Q 8-line Asynchronous Multiplexor, with DMA These have been spoken for: M7551-CA MSV11-QC Q 4-Mbyte 22-bit parity/CSR MOS RAM M7516-YM DELQA-M Q Qbus to Ethernet Turbo Module, Q22 M8053-MA DMV11 Microprogrammed controller (needs one of M5930-M5931) with DDCMP control ROM (point-to-point or multidrop) Thanks! -JR ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:30:40 -0400 From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: General(a)internet1.net, "Discussion(a)internet1.net":On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3F81D0F0.9090108(a)internet1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed That was a reply to a message that Chuck McMannis posted. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA Zane H. Healy wrote: >>Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive or something? Especially these people mentioning a web site and asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that lately. > > > I must confess, I was wondering about the "Re: VAXen available" message... It made now sense to me. > > Zane > ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:37:07 -0400 From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts " <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <S.0000273761(a)mythtech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I filter a lot of these so they never hit the list. But often I let them >through because I feel that is what we are here for.. to be a resource. >Maybe I'm being too lenient? I'm wondering if you can somehow mark the message as one that came from someone off list. I bring this up, because I've been confused by some and wondering if responses should go onlist or off list. If the poster is off list, then responses should go directly to them, or they won't get their response for a few months until the archives have circulated thru google and the likes. just my thoughts, I'm not trying to imply it needs to be followed. Nor trying to start a discussion on the topic. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net> ------------------------------ Message: 29 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:39:32 -0400 From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net> Subject: RE: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts " <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <S.0000273765(a)mythtech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>Apple stopped having the drives read and write 400 and 800 k disks a >>while ago. > >Actually the System does that... I don't remember when though. Well, yes, I didn't mean to imply that it was a drive limit. Just that Apple stopped letting a user read and write 400 and 800 K disks a while ago (I believe you are right and it was OS 8, but I'm not postive). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net> ------------------------------ Message: 30 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:44:31 -0400 (EDT) From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0310061638150.28216(a)panix1.panix.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, John Rollins wrote: > > > Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list [snippage] > > It comes in spurts. I think Jay is still (hopefully) working on a > solution ;) > As Jay mentioned - I'm not altogether sure that these messages from folks are a Bad Thing - it never hurts to have 'fresh' sources for collection related possiblilties. Recall that the PDP 11/44 system I own was rescued from a Big Corporation (and certain death) due to the ex-sysop finding classiccmp quite by accident. Now, in the case of blatant commercial exploitative type ads, or spam, then of course it should hopefully be diverted to /dev/nul. But I think a little tolerance shoyuld be shown for folks who are just researching parts and systems - at least we can be polite in our explanations. And yes, these type of "I was searching for X and found your site.." messages *do* seem to come in waves... I dunno... Cheers John ------------------------------ Message: 31 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 13:57:51 -0700 From: Geoff Reed <geoffr(a)zipcon.net> Subject: Re: Need IIci cache cards To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031006135647.04a4b0f0(a)mail.zipcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:47 AM 10/6/03, you wrote: >If I remember the benchmark results correctly, the extra 32k speeds up video >by a few percent, and "Scientific" operations (IE floating point math) by a >few tens of percentage points. > >I've got a 128k cache card and it speeds up everything by quite a bit. >Probably has something to do with the built-in video getting sped up. I have a cache card in my IICX :) ok, so it's an Diimo accellerator with cache on it on an adaptor :) but it speeds everything WAY up... 50 Mhz 030 :) ------------------------------ Message: 32 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 14:07:33 -0700 From: Marvin Johnston <marvin(a)rain.org> Subject: Posting times To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3F81D995.9FB4C6DF(a)rain.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone else seeing extended times (< 15 minutes or so) before their posts get to the list? Kind of annoying to post something and not see it pop up on the list within a relatively short time!!! ------------------------------ Message: 33 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:31:41 +0100 (BST) From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Subject: Re: Betr.: Acorn Econet To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <m1A6cxE-000J1xC@p850ug1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 1515 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/attachments/20031006/6abf51aa/att achment-0001.ksh ------------------------------ Message: 34 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:08:18 -0700 From: "John A. Dundas III" <dundas(a)caltech.edu> Subject: GE 73 bulbs for RL02 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <v03130306bba79781591d(a)[131.215.48.178]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Can anyone recommend a good source for the GE 73 bulbs used in the front panel switches of the RL02? A web search turned up Atlanta Light Bulbs. They claim to have them for $0.99/ea, minimum quantity 10. However when you try to check out, the minimum $ order is ~$30. I don't mind buying 10, but 30 is too many and I'm not really short on other bulbs at this time. Any suggestions? Thanks, John ------------------------------ Message: 35 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:10:18 -0400 (EDT) From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> Subject: VCF Want: Pertec formatters for Kennedy 9100 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0310061807120.28216(a)panix1.panix.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As message header states: I'm looking for one or two Pertec formatter cards for Kennedy 91xx series tape drives - with cables, if possible. Have $$$ for same - will be at VCF looking to trade $ for Stuff. Also, I'm looking for 2 or 3 DEC RL02 drives, one at least in good working shape - with an interconnect cable and terminator. Can pick up in Bay Area.... Cheerz John ------------------------------ Message: 36 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:21:49 -0700 From: Al Kossow <aek(a)spies.com> Subject: Re: VCF Want: Pertec formatters for Kennedy 9100 To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <200310062221.h96MLnbh015108(a)spies.com> > I'm looking for one or two Pertec formatter > cards for Kennedy 91xx series tape drives - with cables, if possible. 91xx formatters are separate rack mounted boxes (9219) www.spies.com/aek/pdf/kennedy/006-0002-01_9219_formatter.pdf is the manual for the 9219 If you are using these on DEC systems, you may have better luck finding embedded Unibus or Qbus formatters made by Emulex, Plessey, Dilog, etc. ------------------------------ Message: 37 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:23:37 -0700 From: "Patrick Rigney" <patrick(a)evocative.com> Subject: SemiDisk Solid State Disk Emulator To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <NABBLBMGIPBIOFEOPLODMEJJPIAA.patrick(a)evocative.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone have a PDF scan of the manual for a SemiDisk solid-state disk emulator? Please contact me if you do... --Patrick ------------------------------ Message: 38 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:24:23 -0400 From: Ian Primus <ian_primus(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <D65F51DA-F84B-11D7-91F9-000393D7845A(a)yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed IIRC, you could no longer use 400k disks as of System 7.6, but you can still use 800k disks up through System 9, provided of course that you have a Mac with an internal floppy drive. The external USB drives are, for the most part, PC clone laptop style drives, and therefore can not read or write the GCR disks. But, you _can_ write 400k floppies on System 7.6 and up with Disk Copy. You can't mount the image, and you can't mount the disk you created, but it does work. Once again, you have to have a Mac with an internal floppy drive. Why Apple stopped offering floppy drives, I don't know. I know that the first peripheral I bought for my G4 was a floppy drive, and I still hate the fact that it's slow as hell, and doesn't have auto eject. Ian Primus ian_primus(a)yahoo.com On Monday, October 6, 2003, at 04:39 PM, chris wrote: >>> Apple stopped having the drives read and write 400 and 800 k disks a >>> while ago. >> >> Actually the System does that... I don't remember when though. > > Well, yes, I didn't mean to imply that it was a drive limit. Just that > Apple stopped letting a user read and write 400 and 800 K disks a while > ago (I believe you are right and it was OS 8, but I'm not postive). > > -chris > <http://www.mythtech.net> > ------------------------------ Message: 39 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:56:36 -0700 From: Al Kossow <aek(a)spies.com> Subject: Re: Posting times To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <200310062256.h96Mua2p019520(a)spies.com> Anyone else seeing extended times (< 15 minutes or so) before their posts get to the list? -- I'm more concerned that the archive sort by date isn't corrected for local time zone. Since the sort by thread doesn't always work right, I just watch the list from the archive, but now the replies can show up in the list before the original question, depending on when the original message was posted. ------------------------------ Message: 40 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:05:02 -0400 From: Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net> Subject: Re: black paper tape = mylar? To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3F81F51E.1060507(a)tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Mylar paper tape has never come in black, as far as I know. Black paper tape was sold for use with photoelectric paper tape readers like HP's, which work, sometimes with yellow paper (until any oil get on the tape anyway). But the black stuff makes even a sloppy optical reader work great, and it does not kill the edges on your punch like Mylar will do. Jay West wrote: >I was wanting to get some mylar paper tape. There is an auction on Ebay for >6 rolls of "black paper tape"... can one generally assume that black paper >tape is mylar and not just paper? > >The URL is http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2562042672 > >Can anyone advise if this is likely to be mylar or not? > >Regards, > >Jay West > >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > ------------------------------ Message: 41 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:29:54 -0400 From: "Andrew Strouse" <kittstr(a)access-4-free.com> Subject: Re: Fat (512K) Mac Revival? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <000201c38c5e$c068e460$7d444a43@amscomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There doesn't seem to be any battery in the back at all. Where do I go about getting one of those? I haven't cracked the unit open yet but I will and check the power supply. Andrew Strouse ( kittstr(a)access-4-free.com ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Hartman" <alhartman(a)yahoo.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Fat (512K) Mac Revival? > It could be something as simple as a bad PRAM battery. > There's a little door in the upper back, that has a > battery in it. > > Open it and see if there's a battery in there. If it > hasn't exploded... You probably can try replacing that > as a start. > > Next would be the Power Supply/Analog board. > > But, yes... You should be able to buy a replacement > cheaper than fixing that unit. Though, you might find > buyers for the parts to help fund that. > > Regards, > Al Hartman > > > > From: "Andrew Strouse" <kittstr(a)access-4-free.com> > > > > The recent discussion about reviving a Mac SE/30 > > reminded me that I have a "fat mac" in my closet > > collecting dust. I found it after a yard sale a > > few years ago. ( I like to go late and see what > > finds I can get for nothing because the people just > > want the stuff out of their house.) I remember > > when I plugged it in, nothing happened. No sounds, > > lights, bars, patterns, sad/happy macs, etc. Does > > anyone have any suggestions of what to do to > > attempt to get it running. Is it worth it? (I'd > > like to play with it but could I find another one > > that works for less than it will take to fix?) > > It came with a large box of disks, and external > > drive, mouse and keyboard, so it seemed like a > > complete system, except that it doesn't work. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Andrew Strouse > >( kittstr(a)access-4-free.com ) > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Message: 42 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:11:46 -0400 From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net> Subject: Re: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts " <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <S.0000273836(a)mythtech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >IIRC, you could no longer use 400k disks as of System 7.6, but you can >still use 800k disks up through System 9, provided of course that you >have a Mac with an internal floppy drive. I can't reliably read or write 800K disks in my PM 6500 with OS 9.0.4. Haven't been able to for a few OS versions. Also can't in my PM 9600. It attempts it, and is sometimes works for reading an 800K disk. It can also on occasion write to 800K disks, but it can never format them. It will attempt a format, it will even complete it without complaint... but the disk will be undreadable in machines running older OS versions. If I format in an older machine, I can then get a few writes to the disk before the data is unreadable in an older machine (and if the disk is freshly formatted, then I can usually get one or two reads as well). So based on personal experience, I just chalk it up that Apple stopped letting you do both 400 and 800 (with 400 being right out) >Why Apple stopped >offering floppy drives, I don't know. Cost cutting. They were trying to get the iMac down to as cheap a build as possible, and they knew that most consumers would have little need for a floppy drive in the long run. So it was a place to shave a few bucks off the manufacturing costs. Alas when they choose to do it, it was still a tad premature, as yes, in the LONG run, most consumers wouldn't need a floppy drive... but until they migrated their entire collection of old disks to something else, then they still needed it (but its a typical catch-22... if Apple left the drive in, no consumer would migrate their stuff in anticipation for the removal of the drive, so the consumer wasn't going to stop needing the drive, until right after the drive was no longer there) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net> End of cctalk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 10 *************************************

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IBM 5285

by g.vanzundert＠chello.nl

Hi there, My name is Cor van Zundert and I work for IBM. In the 80's I've been working on the IBM 5285, which has been used as a programmable data entry station. It worked with a Data Entry RPG programming language and was the first machine in history where data comunication (based on SNA) was programmable.

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Software for Data I/O 29a

by aloerchner＠hotmail.com

Hi Lance, I came across your name while searching the web for Data I/O 29a. I have had such a unit for several years, but have been unable to locate the software to drive it. It seems to me that it is a DOS application. Would you have the software available? -Axel-

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FA: more DEC cards

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Just finished listing a pile of DEC cards on E-bay. See <http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=rigdonj> Joe

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Available: Televideo TS-806/20 computer

by ss＠allegro.com

Hi, Available: Televideo TS-806/20 computer Location: Cupertino / San Jose, CA ("Bay Area"). Cost: free (but pay for shipping). Condition: unknown Comes with: Apple III monitor, nothing else (nada)

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How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use?

by jplist＠kiwigeek.com

Greetings; I am faced with picking up a sizeable IBM some hours from where I live in the next few weeks. What I had originally planned to do has fallen through, and now I am left trying to work out how best to lift what has been estimated as 800+lbs of 1978 IBM. I have a decent half-ton pickup truck, its more than plenty for carrying this machine home. The magic trick is - how do I get the heavy sucker into the deck? I was planning on "borrowing" another truck with a lift-gate on it, to lift the IBM up to the pickup deck height, and then waffling it into the pickup. That has fallen through, and actually renting one is, as far as I'm concerned, cost prohibitive ($78 + 29c/mile + $150 deposit). If you were to move this IBM, how would you have done it? Keep in mind while I can cover $100 worth of gas for my pickup - more than that is a pinch. JP

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Fluke pods - request for quote, revised request

by micheladam＠theedge.ca

We have 2 of each available, priced at one gazillion dollars each. Our bulk discount starts at quantity 3, and is one half a gazillion dollars. Please contact us for advanced payment to our Cayman Island bank. Tony (T) Soprano ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Mallet - Artfromny - formerly A218(a)aol.com" <artgames(a)nycap.rr.com> Date: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:46 am Subject: Fluke pods - request for quote, revised request > > Please quote for the below items in any quantity you may have up > to 2 each. > I am also looking for "closeout" deals on larger quantities of > Fluke pods in > bulk, assorted numbers. > > quantity 2 - 9000A-8085 pods > quantity 2 - 9000A-6809 pods > > Please note - I need the pods themselves not just the manuals > > Please include air insured shipping to US zip 12118. Payment will > be made > in > certified funds in advance of shipping. Thank you > > Art Mallet > >

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FA: S-100 system, H19, SWTPC TVT

by dave＠mitton.com

I have placed the following items on eBay for auction: A working Heathkit H19 video terminal: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51280&item=3055591307 An Integrand S-100 chassis with two CPU and floppy disk controllers, two Shugart 8-inch disk drives, and an assortment of support boards. This was a CBBS system in the late 1970s until some problems developed. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4193&item=2762098884 And from the fixer-upper & parts shelf; a Southwest Technical Products, CT-1024, TV Typewriter. Not working, but a complete bit of history that someone could revive. Includes a TV Typewriter Cookbook, and Cheap Video Cookbook. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=2762098937 Thanks, Dave.

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RFQ Fluke pods

by artgames＠nycap.rr.com

Hi I saw a vectorlist mention that you had Fluke pods. Please quote for quantity 2 - 9000A-8085 quantity 2 - 9000A-6809 Please include air insured shipping to US zip 12118. Payment will be made in certified funds in advance of shipping. Thank you Art Mallet Art NOTE: The tax message below applies only to items that I am selling NOT items that I am buying or have bought or won on eBay. If I have posted an item for sale or this email is in reference to an item that I have for sale, NY State sales tax of 7.25% applies to all sales shipped to a NY State address or picked up at my warehouse.

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MCM/70 : first "laptop"?

by sieler＠allegro.com

Hi, My candidate for the first "laptop" is the MCM/70, from 1973. It was an 8008 computer, with APL in ROM, a one line 32-character video display, dual cassettes for mass storage, internal batteries (so it could run "on your lap" for a bit :), and "virtual memory" via the casettes. Some more info at: http://www.yorku.ca/yfile/archive/index.asp?Article=1044 http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~zbigniew/MCM_col.html I got a phone call yesterday from a guy who owns a working MCM/70 ... that he bought new in 1975. Sadly (for me :), he doesn't want to part with it :( He confirmed that it could run for a short while on batteries. The MCM/70 was announced in 1973. I'm not sure of the actual first shipping date, but his was received in Jan 1975. (The Computer History Museum's MCM/70 is dated 1974 on the display card.) Misc notes about the MCM/70 from the guy... He ordered his MCM/70 in August, 1974 ... and started threatening legal action in December ... that got him a machine in January 1975. (I'm not 100% sure of the months.) This makes me wonder: did the machine *ever* ship in 1973 or 1974, or did it first ship in 1975? He said that if the batteries were low, powering on the machine often resulted in a failure in the power supply. He reduced the problem by (1) adding a 10-ohm resistor (somewhere unknown); and (2) switching to a different kind of battery pack (instead of the individual batteries). Did I mention that he doesn't want to sell it? I'm working with him on trying to copy/scan some of the material he has about the computer (including original advertisements). Stan

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experiences with portable LCD TVs for classic micros?

by cb＠mythtech.net

>I have four Timex Sinclair micros sitting in my basement and I've been >thinking about turning one (or more) into the world's slowest >"franken-laptop" using one of those portable LCD TVs that seem to be >on sale at every second-hand store & pawn shop for $10-$20. >Has anyone had any experiences in the quality of the TV tuner in >these portables? Will I have to keep re-tuning it every 10 minutes >or should I look for one with some method of locking into a channel? >(or are they too fussy to bother with?) >How about screen resolution? Will I be able to make out the 32 characters >per line on such a tiny screen? I have an old Casio one, and it sucks... at least as a TV. But then, for what I expected from it, its actually really good... if that makes sense. I had low expectations when I bought it years ago, what I wanted it for was to kill time while sitting in a car in a parking lot for 12 hours a day. For that, it worked great. But, it was about the level I expected... crappy resolution, tiny screen, and almost no reception. Its a 2.5" screen model, and if that is the size you are looking at, then I don't think there is any way you can use it for a computer. You can't make out any real details on the TV, so I would expect that you won't be able to read jack squat as a computer screen. Also, every time I turn the Casio on, it starts the tuning of the channels back at the begining, and there is no way to fine tune a channel. You press the channel up or down buttons and it scrolls until it finds something other than static then stops. You get whatever it deems a channel, and nothing more. BUT, I have also used a portable LCD screen that was meant for a Playstation and the likes. This doesn't have a TV tuner, and is a 5" screen with MUCH better resolution. It uses standard NTSC composite input for video (RCA connector), and RCA connectors for Audio. I have it hooked up as the monitoring screen for a closed circuit video recording system. I personally have been rather impressed with it considering I bought it new for $60. VCR on screen displays are fully readable on it, so I would think your 32 characters per line would be fine (I've never counted, but my guess is the VCR OSD text is at least 32 cpl). The only downside I can see is this screen doesn't accept battery power. It does have a power pass thru that lets you piggy back it to the game system it was designed for (which I think was actually a Dreamcast, but I don't recall). And it came with a 12 volt car adaptor for powering the screen and game system. I know when I bought it, there were other models, and IIRC there were some that took batteries. I bought mine specifically because it fit the exact needs I had for it, and battery power wasn't one of the items on my list. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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DSSI connector Q...

by meltie＠meltie.com

Hi guys Would a cable described as "VHDCI connectors, but they only have 50 pins. They are female connectors." possibly be an external DSSI cable? thanks alex/melt

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experiences with portable LCD TVs for classic micros?

by dzubint＠vcn.bc.ca

I have four Timex Sinclair micros sitting in my basement and I've been thinking about turning one (or more) into the world's slowest "franken-laptop" using one of those portable LCD TVs that seem to be on sale at every second-hand store & pawn shop for $10-$20. Has anyone had any experiences in the quality of the TV tuner in these portables? Will I have to keep re-tuning it every 10 minutes or should I look for one with some method of locking into a channel? (or are they too fussy to bother with?) How about screen resolution? Will I be able to make out the 32 characters per line on such a tiny screen? Thomas

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Kaypro 10 or Kaypro II

by blrab＠polson.net

Dear People: What's your asking price for a working Kaypro 10? What's your asking price for a working Kaypro II, with CPM OS on disks? Physical condition not important, but it should work. I live in NW Montana. Very familiar with the Kaypro machines. Thanks, Bob Bushnell blrab(a)polson.net

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Retro-Tech from TV: Thunderbirds

by cb＠mythtech.net

> Thunderbirds is still playing on some tv stations here. It has something >of a cult following in Oz. I believe it plays on TechTV here is the USA (or did at least not too long ago when I caught a few episodes). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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[ADV] The Vintage Computer Forum

by classiccmp＠vintage-computer.com

Hello, Hopefully I don't offend anyone by posting this. I just want to share that I'm running a web-based forum off of my website at www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum. ? The forums already have over 200 registered users and nearly 2,000 posts and I believe that they are providing a valuable service to the community, just like these mail lists. I believe that there is room for a variety of these communities within the vintage computer community and I invite you, if you have time, to stop by and see what the VC Forum might offer you. ? Please forgive my intrusion, ? ?? Erik Klein ?? www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum ?? The Vintage Computer Forum

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Heathkit tips

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I found this on the net <http://ww_heco.home.mindspring.com/heco_fix.html>. It cover all the Heathkit stuff, not just the computers but I though it might still be usefull. Joe

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Free DEC Handbooks

by bob＠jfcl.com

I have several copies of the following DEC handbooks to give away completely free: Microcomputers and Memories (1982) Microcomputer Interfaces (1980) The only catch is that you either a) have to pick yours up in Milpitas CA, or b) you have to send me an SASE big enough to hold them. Figure one 8" x 10" padded envelope with 2lbs (they're thick books!) postage each. Thanks, Bob Armstrong

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A real PDP-8 that you can hang on your wall!

by bob＠jfcl.com

>Your front panel is neat, the whole thing is neat. So, how about connecting >the front panel to my PDP8/A Omnibus? Does your PDP-8 have an Omnibus at >all or did you invent a completely different bus or no bus at all? Electrically speaking the front panel is not anything like a PDP-8 front panel; probably the most practical way to connect it to a PDP-8/A would be to design a new circuit board and just keep the front panel plastic that I've made. You can buy the front panel plastic alone if you want to undertake such a project. The SBC6120 does have an expansion bus, but it's not OMNIBUS. A SBC6120 to OMNIBUS interface is possible, but it would take a little work. It's all open source, though, so feel free! Bob

22 years, 10 months

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Need help: Restoring HP41C

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

This query would probably best be answered by any list member who works with classic calculators. I have an HP41C in pretty decent condition. The problem is that, over time, the rubber pads under the flex circuit below the display, and the elastomer contacts joining the logic board to the keyboard, seem to have deteriorated enough that the thing is wildly intermittent. What's the best way to deal with these issues? Would I be better off simply replacing the two elastomer strips? If so, where would I get them from? Thanks much... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green, aka Steve Smith)

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Superboard (C1P) Rev D video modes

by dfnr2＠yahoo.com

Hello, I just got a superboard Rev D, which is newer than the models I remember. Looking through a schematic, I found an addressable latch controlled by a signal "/32" It turns out that you can poke a 1 to D800 (just like the C2) and get narrow characters -- 48 on a line. I also see a slot for an extra 2114/8T28 and an extra 16-pin dip connector. Was there a superboard or C1 marketed with color or 64-character line options? Does anyone have any documentation regarding this and other features of the Rev D board? Thanks, David __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

22 years, 10 months

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OT: Need help installing Darwin

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: This weekend I'm dabbling with Apple's Darwin for the x86, trying to install it on a recent vintage "scrap" PC. Has anyone on the list experimented with Darwin and got a fully working and configured system? I can log in, so the system works but it doesn't seem like anything was installed except the base OS. Please contact me off-list. Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

22 years, 10 months

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Sun Ultra1 - onboard AUI/UTP setting??

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hi, We seem to have a semi-dead Ultra1 here. Although Sol9 seems to work OK, it refuses to talk to the Ethernet (a crosscable connected to a Win box.) Cabling and such is fine, as is Win box- this works on other amchines, just not the U1. I am beginning to suspect the U1 is trying to talk through its AUI port, rather than the UTP. Any OpenBoot commands or switches that I need be aware of? Thanks, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

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Got an iMAC, now what?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Never mind, I figured it out. Found out that Apple doesn't know how to make power cords but HP does :-) Joe > > I was in a surplus store this morning and some guy walked in with an iMAC and said "Here you can have it." and walked out! I brought it home and hokked it up but I can't even figure out how to turn the darnned thing on! Can anyone help? It's a model M5521 350MHz G3 "Blueberry" iMAC. > > Joe

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Up for sale: HP-41C and VAXen Boards

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Since this is another of my shameless plugs, I'll keep it short. I've posted an HP-41C calculator, a bunch of MicroVAX II boards, and some other goodies on E-pay. Do a search by seller for 'bftbell' (sans quotes) if you're interested. Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green, aka Steve Smith)

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OT: Retro-Tech from TV: Thunderbirds

by cb＠mythtech.net

>To the members of the list that are my age and don't have >time to waste surfing websites and lists for Gerry Anderson's >'Thunderbirds'. Well they made the film! I figure there's >maybe five of you out there that care but don't know. The Thunderbirds is another shining example of TV that amazes me that I used to love. Heck I had a bunch of toys from that show (I think it was Matchbox that put out a line of "cars" from the show) Although nothing has yet to beat the Smurfs... I watched an episode of that the other day on Cartoon Network, and I'm convinced that my parents used to feed me crack... that's the only explanation I can come up with as to why I used to wake up early on a Saturday morning and excitedly watch those little blue idiots! -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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A real PDP-8 that you can hang on your wall!

by bob＠jfcl.com

Many of you have already heard of the SBC6120, our single board PDP-8/E clone that you can build from a kit. The SBC6120 now has a complete lights and switches front panel, and the entire assembly, including a hard disk drive, is about 9" by 15" and 2 1/2" thick and can be framed and hung on the wall like a painting. You can see a photo of Debee with one at http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/images/Debee%20and%20FP6120.jpg Everything is fully functional; all the lights and switches work as you'd expect and the SBC6120 is able to run most PDP-8 software including FOCAL and OS/8. You can read all about it on our web site at http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/SBC6120-2.htm and http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/SBC6120_Front_Panel.htm The entire project is open source, and you can download everything there is to know about the SBC6120 and front panel, including manuals, schematics, and firmware source code, from http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Download.htm If you like what you see then you can have one for your own wall, and we'd be happy to sell you a kit of parts to help you build one. Visit our web store for ordering information http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Store.htm Thanks, Bob Armstrong

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Data I/O Series 22 EPROM Programmer help

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 19, 18:10, Ian Primus wrote: > > I have a very large pile of 27cx321 > chips, made by a company called ICT, but I have been unable to program > them, since my programmer doesn't have the codes for them in the > manual, and they don't work at the normal 2732 setting. No, they don't, and if you try it, you may destroy them. They're high-speed (usually 35ns, but the suffix -35, -40, or -45 gives the actual number) 4k x 8 UV-erasable EPROMs, and to get the speed they use a different cell construction and a different programming technique. The bits in an erased device are "undefined" and whether you want a '1' or a '0' you have to program the actual value. Pinout is pretty much the same as a 2732 except that pin 20 is /CS1 instead of /OE, and pin 18 is CS2 (active high) instead of /CE. My ICT data book doesn't give the programming algorithm, which is obviously proprietary. It just says contact ICT or use a DATA I/O Model 29B with Unipak 2 or 2B firmware version V15. Oh, and like every other EPROM manufacturer I know, ICT say that exposing it to UV for longer than necessary will affect reliability, shorten the life, or in extreme cases, destroy the device, so don't expose them to a UV eraser (standard 12mW/sq.cm) for more than 20 minutes. Overnight is a bad idea! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 10 months

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IBM Displaywriter

by bmachacek＠pcisys.net

I was just able to obtain two IBM 6580 Displaywriters. I think they came out around 1980. They came with the dual 8" floppy disk drives and keyboards, but no monitors. The units are 6580s, the drives are 6360s, and keyboards are 630X-91-xxxxxxxxx. These are big heavy units. I'm not big on old IBM equipment so will consider offers of a new home for these units. Contact me for additional information on these units. I'm located in Colo. Springs. Bill

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OT - Geek Destinations in Kansas City?

by bill＠timeguy.com

We'll be in Kansas City over a weekend in the near future. Are there any good surplus stores, museums, geek toy stores, etc, that we should be sure to visit? Suggestions appreciated!

22 years, 10 months

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Info? AST Preview! card

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Found this today. Anybody know anything about it? I tried to search the net for info but got too much clutter (everybody is putting "preview" in their ads!) It's a full length 8 bit ISA card and has a DB-9F and D(something)-25F connector on the slot cover. Besides all the TTL glue chips, it has eight 4264 (64k x 1?) memories and a HD46505SP-2 (CRT Controller)(6845 equivilent?) LSIC and a 2732 EPROM on it. Joe

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AppleTalk card for PC

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Found this today and thought it was some kind of video card. Bought it and brought it hame and checked the net <http://www.mandrake.demon.co.uk/Apple/ltalk/pc_hardware.html> and found that it's an AppleTalk card for a PC. PN 630-5306-(blank). Anybody need it? Joe

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Got an iMAC, now what?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I was in a surplus store this morning and some guy walked in with an iMAC and said "Here you can have it." and walked out! I brought it home and hokked it up but I can't even figure out how to turn the darnned thing on! Can anyone help? It's a model M5521 350MHz G3 "Blueberry" iMAC. Joe

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73 magazine quits

by CordaAJ＠NSWC.NAVY.MIL

I was there with my brother... we both kinda looked at each other and the people around us when he starting in on the moon landing stuff. The audience was making a huge effort _not_ to appear shocked... unfortunately it wasn't working. I didn't know what to make of it at first... I was hoping it was some sort of lead-in for a joke... but it wasn't. Oh well, we all go down hill eventually... -al- -acorda(a)1bigred.com -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Pope [mailto:bpope@wordstock.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:47 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: 73 magazine quits And thusly Vintage Computer Festival spake: > > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, John Lawson wrote: > > > Not that everyone always agreed with Wayne - but it's sad to see a > > Publication cease after so many years... > > Oh, he's a swell guy. I'm sure he didn't really mean it when at the first > VCF East he came up right after Eldon Hall, the guy who designed the > Apollo Guidance Computer for the Moon Mission, and proceeded to sketch out > his evidence debunking the US moon landing. > He even had a booklet! ;) We should have taken a picture of the audience when he started doing that - I betcha everybody had a shocked look on their faces with their mouths wide open. When he stayed on topic he was interesting, but when he went off... he really went off! Cheers, Bryan

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AT&T 6310 PC

by general＠aztecfreenet.org

I have an AT&T 6310 personal computer I'd like to restore. Unfortunately I have no documentation at all. The machine works, but I'm not sure its drives and cards are original. I have no idea what the (unlabeled) motherboard jumpers do. If anyone on the list has information about this machine I would very much like to communicate with them. Initial questions: What were the original hard drives and floppy drives? What, in detail, were the original cards? What are the functions of the motherboard jumpers? Thanks in advance, Jim Carter

22 years, 10 months

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Fwd: Your message to cctalk awaits moderator approval

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

FYI to the list... I did NOT attempt to send the message referenced in the attached bounce notice. It appears that some spammer is forging my domain ID again. If the moderator is reading this, please do NOT let the spam spewage post. Thanks much. *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 23-Oct-03 at 22:54 cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org <cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org> wrote: >Your mail to 'cctalk' with the subject > > Decrease your CPU temperature up to 20C! > >Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > >The reason it is being held: > > Post by non-member to a members-only list > >Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive >notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel >this posting, please visit the following URL: > > >http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/confirm/cctalk/4670ebe5ab8d23b380aa1bf2b3… > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green, aka Steve Smith)

22 years, 10 months

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Any Scelbi collectors out there?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

The title says it all. Joe

22 years, 10 months

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TRS 600 Laptop On eBay

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Some guy is asking $1500 for a rare 600? If anyone is looking for one here it is, with 8 days left. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2760526117

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73 magazine quits

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk > >> More like a tube short of a Zenith Trans-Oceanic. > >A 1L6 short of a Trans-Oceanic? > >-tony > Hi Tony You would have a few extra 1L6's lying around. I could always us a spare. I'm also looking for XV199's and UV199's. Dwight

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73 saying 73

by stevew＠ka6s.com

Just wanted through my two cents worth concerning Mr. Green. I've been licensed since 1974 (17 at the time) and have seen him twice in person. The first is actually some what related to this list considering it was the very first personal computer convention held in Albuquerque, NM in 1975. Now I had only been licensed for a year but already had a low opinion of Mr. Green. Seeing him walk around with his entourage didn't change that opinion much. The thing I remember most about the convention was the Home-brew section. There was one guy out of maybe 6 displays that had done the following (and appropriately blew me away.) He took a HW101 (heathkit SSB transceiver) and built an RTTY modem. He also built a digital control for the transceiver that allowed computer control of the frequency. He used his Altair to work an RTTY radio contest automatically! It was sitting there working contacts as he described it. He was perhaps 24. That was one hell of an engineering demonstration to my teenage eyes. I recall Mr. Green walking by and putting down that particular display. That didn't impress me either! Now fast forward to perhaps 1995. I sat behind him at an ARRL convention, and was rather frail looking. At that point I actually felt sorry for him - imagine THAT! Through the years I've also known a couple guys that knew him because they were local to his home area. Both friends didn't speak very well of him from that angle either. I've never subscribed to 73 mostly because of his hair-brained ideas. I have looked at it upon occasion. All things considered, I'm still sorry to see the mag pull the plug. Steve Wilson, KA6S

22 years, 10 months

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Token Ring JetDirect

by cb＠mythtech.net

I know some of you use Token Ring, so I'm offering this here before it gets tossed. I have an HP JetDirect Token Ring MIO. Its a J2373 card. This is an internal JetDirect card for HP printers. I'm not sure which printers are supported by it, but I'm sure a quick look on HPs site will reveal that to anyone that cares. The card has a single DE-9 Female connector on it. Its untested as I've never had a token ring network, but it came along with a rather large box of token ring cards I aquired, and some of you have gotten those cards, and no one has complained that they didn't work (save for one person, but that was because I did a crappy job in packing them and a few of the crate load were damaged in shipping). Just cover postage and its yours. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 10 months

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Nice VT420 available...make an offer

by vcf＠siconic.com

I have a nice VT420 to offer anyone who wants to make a reasonable (i.e. make it worth my time to pack) offer. Contact me privately please. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

22 years, 10 months

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Al K's site?

by aek＠spies.com

> I sure hope Al believes in backups. -- I did a complete backup a day before the disc died completely on Wed. It will be a day or two before I can get everything restored (around 20gb)

22 years, 10 months

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73 magazine quits-- vintage radios

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Ben Check the links at: http://www.plazaearth.com/usr/gasperi/theory.htm Dwight >From: "ben franchuk" <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> > >Tony Duell wrote: >>>More like a tube short of a Zenith Trans-Oceanic. >> >> >> A 1L6 short of a Trans-Oceanic? >> >> -tony >> >> > >Nope, the 1L6 works fine, want to replace the caps >and rebuild the power supply ( The set is older than >I am ) and get real DOC's. The problem seems to be >with the auto-magic gain control and or the selenium >rectifier as it plays for about 10 seconds and then >it goes quiet. Ben. > > > >

22 years, 10 months

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73 magazine quits

by jpl15＠panix.com

September was the last issue of '73' magazine - published by Wayne Green - who began (and lost) Byte, then started Kilobaud.. Not that everyone always agreed with Wayne - but it's sad to see a Publication cease after so many years... C'est la Vie, I guess... Cheers John KB6SCO

22 years, 10 months

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Al K's site?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Anybody know what's wrong with Al Kossow's website (www.spies.com/aek/)? It's been down for a couple of days now. Joe

22 years, 10 months

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FA: MORE DEC stuff, Motorola HDS-200 pods, AT&T manuals

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I've been busy today. Take a look, <http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=rigdonj>. I will be posting more tomorrow. Keep checking. Thanks. Joe

22 years, 10 months

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Dust covers

by PLancashire＠columbia.com

where i live there was (now out of biz) a place that made vinyl auto seat covers, for small items like you mentioned, the cost was about $10-$15 each. After they went of biz, I made my own. But you have to get a good sewing machine :) -pete -----Original Message----- From: TeoZ [mailto:teoz@neo.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:40 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Dust covers What is the best material for making dusk covers for computers? I want to make covers for my 8/16 bit computers like the Amiga 500/1200 Atari 1040ST, C64c, C128, Tandy 1000HX, etc.

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