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Completely and totally off-topic and without any merit whatsoever

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com> > >On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Pete Turnbull wrote: > >> I'm surprised nobody has thought of the obvious: mercury is >> considerably denser than glass, so the glass would float on the >> surface. All you have to do is skim it. Never mind skimmed milk, >> Sellam, you can have skimmed quicksilver ;-) > >I noticed it was actually staying on the surface, but I don't want to >touch it! That'd be dangerous. I just want to quaff it. Hi From what, the glass or the mercury? Dwight

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20,046 page doc archive still available

by aek＠spies.com

he does say in his auction that he has permission from the various sites to put the DVD together -- Mr Watzman did not ask, and I would not have given him permission to sell the material from bitsavers. I have asked him not to mention my URL in any of his future usenet postings. For the record, I DO NOT want the material from my site to be sold in any form.

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Completely and totally off-topic and without any merit whatsoever

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 7 2004, 14:35, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > > Well, whatever you do, don't try putting it in hollowed-out .357 magnum > > bullets, nor even .38 specials. It's illegal, and no fun at all. > > Is that a veiled suggestion? If so, what is the result (besides internal > Hg poisoning, let alone internal bleeding, tissue damage, etc.)? Try it on a watermelon or a gallon plastic container full of water and you'll see. If you use a normal .38 special, it will make a hole (the plastic container would leak, from one or more likely two small holes). A hollow-point round will make it shatter -- the hollow point expands and more energy is transferred into the target, more quickly. A Glaser safety slug will make it explode, and a mercury-filled round has a similar effect. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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20,046 page doc archive still available

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 04:33 PM 9/7/2004, Steve Thatcher wrote: >and we can expect the stuff you send him to magically appear on eBay for him to sell... Well, of course. All these docs are probably in a no-man's-land of unenforced copyrights belonging to long-dead companies. It doesn't really give anyone the right to redistribute them. What's the real difference between someone giving them away on a web site or someone collecting docs and selling a DVD on ebay? He gives free copies of the DVD to people who send him docs. I played this game once and made a very big pile of money at it. In the early 90s, I collected 3D models from artists with the understanding that I would put them on a CD and sell it and give them a free copy. I collected more than 500 models, generated a few hundred tileable textures with a Mac program, and sold (and gave away) thousands of CDs at $200. Arguably, he's created a collection and holds a "collection copyright" on his assembly and arrangement of public domain or abandoned docs. Could someone put his DVD online and could he justifably complain? Probably. - John

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Interactive displays was Re: Cool book

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 7 2004, 10:51, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > > You are a sick person Sellam. I see you have already > > had a good swig of that Hg. > > Just wait until the t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-tremours start. The best is when the skin starts to itch and flake off and the kidneys give up. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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20,046 page doc archive still available

by melamy＠earthlink.net

and we can expect the stuff you send him to magically appear on eBay for him to sell... best regards, Steve -----Original Message----- From: John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> Sent: Sep 7, 2004 2:59 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: 20,046 page doc archive still available I appreciate all the offers to host these files. I was surprised that there were no suggestions about how to augment these files via OCR or PDF conversion. I received an offer from a guy selling a $35 (USA S/H inc.) "Classic Computer Reference DVD" on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4193&item=5120153936 He wanted to swap a copy of the DVD for a copy of these 20,046 pages. - John

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Intellec-mds 800

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > ---snip--- >>> >>> Intel sold a disk-drive subsystem that consisted of two Shugart 801 8" >floppy >>> drives. They could work as single density or double density depending on >>> whether you had the 201 or 202 controller board set. Yes, it was a set >of TWO >>> multibus board to control those two floppy drives. >>> ---snip--- > > > Here are some pictures of a couple of my 800s ><http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/mds800_3/> and ><http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/mds800_4/>. Here ><http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/mds.htm> is a webpage that I started (but >never finished) that describes some of the 2xx models. Here is a MOL >finished webpage about one of my other MDS-800s, ><http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/mds-800/mds-800.htm>. It includes pictures >and descriptions of most of the various MDS-800 cards. > > Here, <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/multibus/multibus.html> is a webpage >that I swtarted about Multibus cards. It includes both Intel and non_intel >cards. I'm WAY behind with the updates for it. > > Joe > Hi When I worked at Intel, I was responsible for the test of the 1036 Floppy Disk Control Card ( this was for double density M2FM ). It seemed that I was one of the few people, even then, that knew what a phase locked loop was and how it needed to be tested. The Channel card used the 3000 series bit slice. These were a reasonable bit slice but didn't compete well with AMD's 2900 stuff. I suspect it was mostly the sequencer that put people off. It is almost impossible to read the code for these and takes a grand master to write the code effectively. I've got to get started on my MDS800. It just seems like other projects get in the way. Perhaps I should put it in the walkway. that way I'll be reminded of it each time I step over it. As for a terminal, other than the possible current loop issue, you may need the right emulator if you want to run CREDIT ( their screen editor ). I believe this just used VT100 codes but I could be wrong. The original 800's used Beehive terminals that were painted Intel blue. Dwight

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Completely and totally off-topic and without any merit whatsoever

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 7 2004, 12:17, Jules Richardson wrote: > On Sun, 2004-09-05 at 23:14 -0700, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > I've got some quicksilver that I liberated from some evacuated glass tubes > > Actually, that reminds me - I saw a chap in the UK trying to get rid of > several kilos of the stuff a short while ago. I can't help thinking that > *something* interesting could be made using it, although I'm not sure > what. Well, whatever you do, don't try putting it in hollowed-out .357 magnum bullets, nor even .38 specials. It's illegal, and no fun at all. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Keyboards & Conductive Rubber

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 7 2004, 8:49, J.C. Wren wrote: > How about copper foil tape, like that used by stained glass people? > I use this stuff all the time when I do prototyping, usually to lay down > power and ground "traces". Not a bad idea. If you know anyone who has recently bought any Sun computers, or HP network switches, they all come with a 3M disposable ground strap, which has several inches of adhesive copper foil at one end. > I also use it for ground planes under > switchers and RF sections. And for hacks like this: > http://tinymicros.com/gallery/hasselblad Neat! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Intellec-mds 800

by aaallaway＠hotmail.com

I am considering buying a classic pc. The one I might buy is the intellec mds 800. It comes with a drive also. I dont know much about vintage pc's but would love to be like you all. I thought starting with one of the best pc's would be good. So my question is, if I were to buy this pc, what type of monitor/keyboard do I hook up to it? Where can I get one? I think I need a tty serial monitor/keyboard. (Thats what I read online, what does that mean?) Is the ebay below a terminal that will work on the this intellec? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=170&item=5117243715&… Or do I have to buy a vintage one like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=5118745209… I want to test this intellec before I buy it and want a monitor/keyboard to hook up to it before I buy it. I also dont want to spend alot for the monitor/keyboard since the pc is quite costly. Thanks for your advice, Andy ps, if I buy this intellec, what can I do with it?

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TEK 8002A floppy documentation?

by aek＠spies.com

The Tek 8002A used an external hard sectored 8" disc box. I have several boxes of 8" discs I'd like to try to read, but I don't have any docs on the floppy unit (I have the manual for the main box). Does anyone happen to have the svc manual for this?

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Intel IPDS100 problem

by dghof＠home.nl

Hello, Joe My name is Dick hof I am From Holland I have a Little problem Lets say big problem. Its about the intel IPDS100 also named as Intel Personal Development System. The problem is that I don`t get it running any way I have a lot of programs That I want to have in a eprom but It doesn`t work My question to you is it possible to get the programs from the DS/DD disks 5" to a 3,5" disk Any way I hope so that maybe you have a solution for my problem. My regards Dick Hof.

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Interactive displays was Re: Cool book

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com> > >On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, ed sharpe wrote: > >> Most of our displays here at the museum are pretty static..... >> >> we are looking for ideas on introducing some interactive component... ideas >> folks? > >Have a free "Smash the Altair!" day whereby people take swings at an >Altair 8800 suspended from a wire. It can be a political statement about >the soaring values of old computers. Of course, in the process you'll be >promoting the higher prices since you'll be having to refill your stocks >of old Altairs from eBay. > >:) You are a sick person Sellam. I see you have already had a good swig of that Hg. Dwight > >Beyond that, games always grab your imagination. Run old versions of >Hammurabi, Hunt the Wumpus, etc. > >-- > >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > >[ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] >[ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] > >

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Completely and totally off-topic and without any merit whatsoever

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Vacuum filtration with a paper filter will separate this. Pax Astoria

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Teledisk software to duplicate license floppy disk

by juanfri52＠hotmail.com

Desearia saber si el teledisk puede copiar diskettes de instalacion, si fuera asi estaria interesado en adquirir el programa. Un saludo: Fernando

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Keyboards & Conductive Rubber

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

Tony: >I've seen this happen. My TRS80 M4 keyboard (which uses individual >keyswitches which use this technology) had this sort of problem. Of >course there I could move them around to put the bad ones on the least >used keys (like the numeric keypad). >Two ideas : >1) Rub a _soft_ pencil (I manged to get a 6B) over the rubber pads. This >will put a new graphite layer down. > >2) Chemtronics sell (sold?) a repair kit for these pads. You mix the 2 >parts and then put a drop on each of the pads. The problem is that once >you've misxed the 2 parts you have to use the kit in a day or so, and >there's enough stuff for quite a few switches -- and it's not cheap. It's >therefore probably not worth doing for one TV remote or something, but it >might be just right for a keyboard. Gordon: >The pads either wear or "dry out" or something, never worked out which. > I talked a mate of mine through repairing some vintage synthesizers >which use conductive pads for the control panel (Sequential Six-Trak, >Alesis drum machine and sequencer) by taking the panel apart and >painting a blob of silver-loaded paint for repairing heated rear windows >in cars. The bottle was a couple of pounds from Halfords, and probably >cheaper in your local independant motor factors. A tiny bottle lasts >for ages because you only need a little spot. Paul: > I've tried several things on my Sony TV remote control. The various >paints and other expensive fixes don't last very long. What finally worked >for me was some heavy aluminum foil tape used for sealing air ducts. > > Cut some tiny squares of the tape just big enough to cover the two >contact pads on the circuit board and stick it to the surface of the key >plunger. Evidently the resistance value is not critical, as long as it's >below some minimum value -- zero ohms is OK. My repair has been working for >a couple of years now. > > You can find the tape at home centers (Lowe's/Home Depot), and appliance >or plumbing parts suppliers. Hi Guys, THANKS for the good ideas... I think I like the tape idea the best - I had thought about trying to glue in a bit of tinfoil - I've done that for "round" pads, however these are very thin/long pads, and the tape might be easier to work with. Btw, they are NOT the kind where the PCB pads are interleaved "fingers" - these are two separete pads which are perhaps as much as 1/8" apart - the rubber bit is nearly 1/4" long and has a "bump" on each end to contact the pads - this means that the rubber flexes as it pushes down, and I think that graphite or paint would probably crack and flake off. I don't think it would be easy to replace the rubber pads, as you would need the right shape, and also the pad is bonded to a little strip of material like this (cross sectional view): | | <= Key plunger | | +--------+ | | <= open space +--------+ <= "Carrier strip" [====] <= Conductive Rubber Pad Btw, this is for a Commodore PET - I just remembered that I have an extra C64 keyboard, so I'm going to pull it apart and see if by any miracle the key assembly is the same. Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Vintage computing equipment collector. http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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Nice ebay item

by williams.dan＠gmail.com

Anyone else want one of these ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=5121044537… Dan

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VCF 7.0 announcement

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here's an update on the latest additions to VCF 7.0: OK ATDT19252945900 CONNECT 300 Connected to the VCF BBS... Featuring 10 megz of k-rad computer history! _______________________________________________________ | | | : Vintage Computer Festival 7.0 : | | | | Saturday, November 6th through Sunday, November 7th | | at the Computer History Museum | | Mountain View, California | | | | http://www.vintage.org | | | |_______________________________________________________| The 7th Annual Vintage Computer Festival comes at you this November 6th and 7th with the sights, sounds and smells of vintage computing! Join us for another action packed extravaganza, featuring an exciting lecture series, a diverse and vibrant exhibition, and a marketplace brimming with vintage computers o' plenty! [> Current Speaker Roster <] Saturday, November 6 10:00AM => Fred Cohen: Using Vintage Computers in Computer Forensics 10:30AM => Jason Scott: Documenting the BBS 11:00AM => Christian Wirth: The Art of Textmode Sunday, November 7 11:00AM => Nick Tredennick: Early Microprocessor Design 1:00PM => Andre' LaMothe: The XGameStation * Many more speakers to be added soon; schedule subject to change For more information on the speaker series, including abstracts and speaker bios, visit: http://www.vintage.org/2004/main/speaker.php [> Special Events <] o Beta screening of Jason Scott's BBS Documentary Jason Scott has been working on a series of seven films that document the history of online bulletin board systems. This will be the first public screening of these films, and the feedback from the screening audience will help direct the final cuts. More information can be found here: http://www.vintage.org/2004/main/screening.php o Retro-Code Video Game Programming Challenge Can you write a videogame on a vintage computer platform in three hours or less? http://www.vintage.org/2004/main/retrocode.php [> Vintage Computer Exhibition <] Vintage Computer Collectors: we want you! Exhibit your favorite computer in the Vintage Computer Exhibition. Ribbons and prizes are awarded in six classes and eight special categories, including the coveted Best of Show and People's Choice awards. For more information on participating as an exhibitor at VCF 7.0, visit: http://www.vintage.org/2004/main/exhibit.php [> Vintage Computer Marketplace <] Do you have some vintage computer items you'd like to sell? Whether you rent a booth or sell on consignment, the Vintage Computer Festival Marketplace is the premier venue for selling old computers and related items. For more information, please visit: http://www.vintage.org/2004/main/vendor.php [> Spread the Word! <] Download and post this gorgeous VCF 7.0 flyer on every flat surface in your immediate and extended sphere of existence! http://www.vintage.org/2004/main/vcf70flyer.pdf !~(&*GHI# NO CARRIER -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Fraud offer from GB, How to deal with it?

by Innfosale＠aol.com

Well I got a classic fraud offer from Great Britian today and was wondering how to deal with it. I would love to see the offeree busted but not sure what can be done. I posted a HP110 outfit on the classifieds of the HP Calculator Museum. Got a reply of interest from GB so I sent back info and got the following reply today. I have heard of this scam being perpetrated on computer collectors in the past so I recognize it as a scam. Is there any way of identifying the culprit whose name (may or may not be real) is posted at the end of the letter. I assume this is illegal in GB but how would you go about informing the authorities? I would be happy to participate in a sting if that is possible. I am on the west coast of the US. Paxton Astoria, Oregon USA Following is the message I got today: Hello, Thanks a lot for your mail and the information, also for all your efforts towards making this transaction a success, i really love it and wish to buy as soon as possible. Anyway, this is how we are going to seal this transaction there is an associate of mine in the US who is owing me $2,500 i am going to instruct him to send you a cashier's check for that amount,and when it clears your bank you can now send my balance by Westernunion. Although i know that the value of the check is more than the price of the HP 110 outfit, 9114 disk & 2225B Printer but i am willing to trust you with my balance So if this offer is acceptable to you,let me have your contact information so that i can instruct my associate to send you a check,that is your name,address and phone number Please get back to me as soon as soon as you get this mail so that i can know your decision regards this transaction. I am banking on my balance so that i will be able to settle my shippers here in there local office because it is cheaper and faster.My regards to the family. James Cole ===== James Cole 42-46 James Villa, Woolmer Way Woolmer Trading Estate Bordon,Hampshire GU35 9QF UK

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xenix

by KParker＠workcover.com

No but he might have it. I'm up to my elbows with our new web site at the moment. Once done I'll have a hunt - I'll recognise it if I see it. ++++++++++ Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation p: 08 8233 2548 m: 0418 806 166 e: kparker(a)workcover.com w: www.workcover.com ++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Vintage Computer Festival Sent: Tuesday, 7 September 2004 7:39 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: RE: xenix On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Parker, Kevin wrote: > Do a hunt on the net - I downloaded some disc images about 2 or 3 years > ago for XENIX for the TRS80 Model 12 or Model 16B - the site had heaps > of OS's for old machines (might ring a bell with someone) That sounds like Ira Goldklang's TRS-80 site: http://www.trs-80.com/ -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] ************************************************************************ This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee only. It may contain information that is protected by legislated confidentiality and/or is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail may not necessarily be that of the WorkCover Corporation of South Australia. Although precautions have been taken, the sender cannot warrant that this e-mail or any files transmitted with it are free of viruses or any other defect. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy the original e-mail and any copies. ************************************************************************

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Black Hole photos & LGP junk

by tomj＠wps.com

http://wps.com/temp/Black-Hole-02-Sep-2004/ Just a few photos I took. The ND812 (not 811) is visible, the CDP1802 thingies, some Gray Era IBM, etc. Also a pic of Ed (left) and Frank. The search warrant from the latest harrassment [1]. THe LGP-21 at home (mine). The specialized LGP Flexowriter, changes not restricted to keyboard and charset. (Note the black keys -- those of course are the machine's order codes (instructions), eg. "B" is "BRING" (load accumulator from memory). Imagine you have 400 transistors arranged as a calculator, and NO SOFTWARE OF ANY KIND. The hardware is arranged such that, when the machine is executing an INPUT instruction, if you type the following keys B 1 2 0 3 ' the bit pattern generated by those keystrokes *IS* the 'BRING 1203' instruction. Voila! Who needs an assembler or compiler?! The trailing ' character is decoded -- by the INPUT instruction hardware! -- to mean 'stop shuffling characters into the accumulator and proceed with the next instruction in memory' which has the unpleasant side effects that you cannot input ordinary text from the keyboard into the machine, nor input the ' character at all. Every character input must be terminated with ' (aka "CONDITIONAL STOP"). So much for text editing on an LGP-xx machine (a typewriter and salaried secretary was cheaper). If you are clever though, and need to input a data table, say, into a running program, you do so by arranging the data as 'instructions' that go directly into memory, and not input and handled by the target software. At 2500 instructions/sec this is umm helpful. (I'm surprised the space key wasn't assigned this function, but I guess text input wasn't seen to have much use, and debugging with spaces would be a lot harder than '.) tomj [1] Ed's a big anti-Lab (LANL) activist and crank letter writer. During the Wen Ho Lee fiasco, Ed took some old 5" hard disk and put a SECRET sticker on it, left it on his desk (you can see in the photo what that looks like...). Pretty standard junkyard humor. Mr. Lee visited Ed (who was a big supporter during the mess) after jail, so Ed gets to say "Hey Wen, we found your disk drive"). Fast forward to July 04 -- "disk drives missing from the lab!". Likely some Ed-detractor (there are many up there) called the FBI, who shows up one day, and basically takes the joke-SECRET-disk, plus some old cartridge tape. The search warrant was dropped by the next day (so much for procedure). So of course the best recourse is to put SECRET stickers on everything -- which of course Ed has done. (Reported with a lot less fanfare was the later discovery that no disk drives were in fact missing from the allegedly unwatched safe, only some of those fancy inventory stickers, which were determined to have not been applied to any property. The entire episode proving that their system was WORKING, in that they were in fact tracable, after an interval. Anyone who's worked with this sort of property tracing system knows that this is exactly how it's supposed to work, but it doesn't make for glamorous news.) (As an aside, the TV news from Albuquerque said that this year's balloon festival (a zillion annual hot-air balloons ... big event) will have tighter security, apparently to prevent 'terrists' from hijacking them? Using them to bombard citizenry?!)

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MECOS frequency device

by gurkentoeter＠t-online.de

do you remember your posting? : No the LED is in the chassis. I started thinking it might be some sort of heart device timer as the deceased former owner of the auctioned items was quite elderly. I guess you could use it as a timer strobe. Lawrence > On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Lawrence Walker wrote: > > > Likely way off topic, but I acquired some sort of frequency device in > > an auction junk box. It's a well machined device made by MECOS, made > > in W.Germant. It's about 2" square by 1/2" powered by a Li. battery > > and has micro-switches labelled 3 hz, 7.8 hz, 14.0 hz and a small led > > that flashes at the selected frequency. Anyone have any idea what it > > might be ? > > > > A search turned up that MECOS makes Active Magnetic Bearings and > > control boards and programs. > > Could this be some sort of timing device used for calibrating the speed of > something? Is the led separate from the chassis? > > -Toth > well, i bought a mecos at the jumble sale...i had no idea what it is. i serches the i-net and the only interesting i found was your posting. but: now i know!! : its a device for the magnetical field therapy similar to the MEDICUR ( http://www.magnetfeldtherapie-2000.de/common/pulsierende-magnetfeldtherapie…) i am sorry, but the page is in german... i am german too, so i hope you excuse my bad english.... greetings, daniel

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Did anyone attend this event?

by news＠computercollector.com

http://www.fresnobee.com/24hour/nation/story/1624774p-9321321c.html

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Old DOS games...

by aw288＠osfn.org

...are spoken for. Thanks for the responses! Also, did I mention I have a little DEC HiNote 433 laptop (with the optional floppy drive wedge-o-cheese)? I think that is in the ultracheap pile. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

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xenix

by KParker＠workcover.com

Do a hunt on the net - I downloaded some disc images about 2 or 3 years ago for XENIX for the TRS80 Model 12 or Model 16B - the site had heaps of OS's for old machines (might ring a bell with someone) ++++++++++ Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation p: 08 8233 2548 m: 0418 806 166 e: kparker(a)workcover.com w: www.workcover.com ++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of pzachary(a)sasquatch.com Sent: Thursday, 2 September 2004 12:15 PM To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: xenix What version Xenix? what application are you using and do you have the media for that? Xenix is not freely available, but there are some unopened copies floating around in the computer junk shops and perhaps ebay. Pavl_ > Hi > I am trying to locate XENIX install disks > would you know where to look ? > I am helping a friend get a cnc machine up > something made by cybermation > > Any help would greatly appreciated > > Regards > > Ephraim Schoenfeld > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush ************************************************************************ This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee only. It may contain information that is protected by legislated confidentiality and/or is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail may not necessarily be that of the WorkCover Corporation of South Australia. Although precautions have been taken, the sender cannot warrant that this e-mail or any files transmitted with it are free of viruses or any other defect. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy the original e-mail and any copies. ************************************************************************

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Someone pays $399 for IBM Dos 1.0

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Here's the url http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62054&item=5119316334 Uses mainecomputermuseum ?

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MI8E Schematics anyone?

by bkotaska＠charter.net

Hi all, Does anyone have a printset for the PDP8 MI8E bootloader module (M847)? Checked all the usual sources and came up dry. Thanks, Bill

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Completely and totally off-topic and without any merit whatsoever

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Yes, a coarse coffe filter will do for glass shards. Hg will sit on top of the filter unless vacuum is applied. You can use a vacuum cleaner as a source. I think that would provide enough vacuum but you need an airtight path. A lab flask with a vacuum tap, cork and a funnel is best. Paxton Astoria, Oregon

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Classic typesetting machine - UK

by m.wickens＠rhodium-consulting.com

Fancy one of these? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=162&item=512026860… Mark. -- Mark Wickens Rhodium Consulting Ltd

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WANTED: DEC MXV11-BF (M7195)

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hi all, For a project I need one of the above beasties. If you have one (or several ;-) and could be coerced into parting with them, contact me off-list and we'll agree on terms .. Thankee, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://VAXlab.pdp11.nl/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Mountain View, CA, USA

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LTC Spec question

by jpl15＠panix.com

W/out having the docs to hand, I would like to know the actual electrical specification for the LTC line as implemented in LSI-11 -type systems... what is the backplane (and hence the CPU, etc) expecting? Waveform type? Freq range? Levels? If pulses, TTL? CMOS? Duty cycle? Rep rate? I need to simulate the incoming LTC signal for a system that will not be mains powered.... in the older 11/xx systems, this was derived from one of the windings of the power supply transformer, then made into line-freq-rate pulses by the using module. I'm planning on using a small naptha-burning steam engine driving a modified Wimshurst static generator, and then using a calibrated spark-gap with an RF pick-off. If I adjust the mechanical governor very precisely, and calibrate the gap length based on humidity and barometric pressure, it should be possible to get reasonably stable 50/60 Htz signals... Cheers John PS: Please ignore the silly bits.

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The Aesthetics of Computer Viruses - I love you [rev.eng] (fwd)

by vcf＠siconic.com

I thought this might be interesting to some... -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:17:47 +0200 From: Alessandro Ludovico <a.ludovico(a)neural.it> To: a.ludovico(a)agora.it Subject: The Aesthetics of Computer Viruses - I love you [rev.eng] I love you [rev.eng] The Aesthetics of Computer Viruses. German Exhibition on International Tour Providence (USA) / Copenhagen: The return of "Made in Germany" - "I love you [rev.eng]" (rev.eng = reverse engineering), the extension of the successful exhibition in Frankfurt devoted to the phenomenon of computer viruses, is going on an international tour. It can be seen from September 11th to October 4th at the renowned private Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island, USA, and then from October 7th to November 14th in the Museum for Communication in Copenhagen, Denmark. Nowadays computer viruses are an integral part of our computerised everyday life. The damage to national economies caused by the more than 90,000 viruses that have already appeared worldwide runs into many billions. The independent US research institute Computer Economics puts the damage in the case of "I love you" in 2001 alone at 8.75 billion US $. But not all computer viruses are harmful. Computer viruses can also result from experimentation with (programming) language. "I love you [rev.eng]" is the first exhibition worldwide dedicated to the phenomena of computer security and computer viruses, and takes up both these aspects to carry out a controversial experiment with contemporary culture that goes far beyond current vehement debates on hacking. "I love you [rev.eng]" is divided into political, technical and historical areas of investigation and focuses on the controversial positions of security experts and hackers, of net artists and programmers, of literature experts and code poets. What actually is a computer virus? Who creates them, and why? What sort of world is hiding behind these everyday phenomena? The exhibition provides background information, presents artworks, and reveals the role of computer viruses as a destructive force and economic threat as well as an inspiration for creative art. "I love you [rev.eng]" is conceived and presented by the cultural organisation digitalcraft.org based in Frankfurt, Germany. "digitalcraft.org sees itself as a future oriented model for a changing understanding of cultural communication," says Franziska Nori, the leader of the digitalcraft.org team. "The big question being raised by the exhibition as to what digital culture is today and will become in the age of the information society doesn't only determine contemporary artistic and cultural production, but is also intended to motivate cultural institutions to rethink their practice and their own role." What can visitors to the "I love you [rev.eng]" exhibition expect? - Computer viruses in close-up. At isolated terminals ("in the zoo"), visitors can activate infected data with viruses like "Sasser" or "Suicide" and force computers to close down. A presentation of the 30 year history of computer viruses and their technical development offers background information on the development of this phenomenon right up to the present day. - Virus outbreaks in real time. An interactive 3D game world has been developed specially for the exhibition to allow visitors, by operating a joystick, to experience in real time the otherwise invisible processes involved in a global virus outbreak. Visitors can also click together their own viruses using a computer with so called virus construction kits like the ones often used by budding hackers to flood the Internet with evernew viruses. - The web artists 0100101110101101.ORG and epidemiC present the computer virus "biennale.py", which, over and above being a self-reproducing program, has been declared as a social work of art. The work "The Lovers" by the British artist Sneha Solankis creates, using two mutually-infected computers, an analogy between the distorted communication between the computers and that between lovers. '"I love you" [?but do you know what love really means?]' by the artist Caleb Waldorf is an installation video montage reflecting how media represents the phenomenon of viruses and how governments and corporate entities react to the increasing threat of cyber terrorism. - Insights into the heterogeneous culture of hackers with a broad spectrum of film material created in the scene itself, including "Freedom Downtime" by the New York hacker community 2600, and "Hippies from Hell". Historical and current material provide insights into the development of the scene from its origins in the late 50s, when the term "hacker" was a neutral word for students at the MIT who lived out their fascination for logical tasks and enthusiasm for understanding the new computers, to the criminalisation of what is now known as the VX Scene, to the commercialisation of the phenomenon, supplemented by a wealth of interviews in which various virus authors talk about their motives. - The aesthetics of the source code. Apart from its pure functionality, a program code (which computer viruses are based on, just like any other computer program) can also be an aesthetic and artistic creation. "Obfuscated C Codes" are examples of such highly virtuoso programming. The exhibition presents two exceptional contributions >from the "International Obfuscated C Code Contest" that has been held regularly since 1984, the three-dimensional flight simulator by C. Banks (1998) and the Saitou.c Code by Don Yang (2000), a program with a graphic layout that generates a set of mutually reproducing programs. - Program code as language. Here, comparisons are drawn between traditional poetry and contemporary code poetry. The unbroken line from the Carmina Figurata of antiquity and the Middle Ages via the concrete poetry of the 19th Century to modern poets and contemporary code poets show a coherence of form that reveals the source code as a new material for contemporary poetry. - Internet security. Security concepts and current methods for preventing global attacks on the network are presented for an interested audience. Through a collaboration with experts at Brown University's Watson Institute for International Studies and researchers from Symantec - the market leader in internet security - digitalcraft.org further delved into the political, economic and social actuality of this subject. At both locations, the exhibition will be complemented by symposiums, in the USA with the theme "The Power and Pathology of Networks". The cultural organisation digitalcraft.org is taking up with this project the challenge of exploring complex virtual phenomena and presenting them in a visual way. "I love you [rev.eng]" (rev.eng = reverse engineering) is the revamped and expanded version of the initial exhibition which was successfully shown in June 2002 in the Museum for Applied Art in Frankfurt and in February 2003 at the "transmediale.03" in Berlin. Further information on all exhibits, the digital version of the exhibition catalogue and extensive pictorial material can be found on the project's website www.digitalcraft.org/Iloveyou (+ press section) or direct from: Dr. Gabriele Reinartz PR and communication Phone: +49 (0)171 / 8 34 56 48 Fax: +49 (0)69 / 48 00 61 32 E-Mail: gabriele.reinartz(a)digitalcraft.org http://www.digitalcraft.org http://www.infopeace.org http://www.watsoninstitute.org http://www.ptt-museum.dk http://www.symantec.com Brief profile of digitalcraft.org digitalcraft.org was founded in 2003 as a spin-off of the "digitalcraft" section of the Museum for Applied Art in Frankfurt am Main (2000-2003). Its mission is to research and document fast-moving trends in everyday digital culture and to present them to the public. Since 2003, digitalcraft.org has been an independent cultural organization under the direction of Franziska Nori. Its work includes interdisciplinary exhibition projects such as "adonnaM.mp3" (2003) on the phenomenon of file sharing, "Origami Digital" (2003) on the digital demo scene, public lectures and publications, and consultancies for public institutions and museums. The subjects it explores reflect the rapid development in communications technologies and methods and their significance for modern society. Brief profile of the Watson Institute for International Studies Brown University in Rhode Island is one of the most renowned private Universities in the USA. One of its associated institutes is the Watson Institute for International Studies, named after its founder, which is dedicated to interdisciplinary studies. Under the direction of Prof. James Der Derian, the "Information Technology, War and Peace Project" has been started up to make a targeted analysis of the potential impacts of network structures in the globalised society. In September, "InfoTechWarPeace", a new, one-year research project, is starting up with the heading, "The Power and Pathology of Net-works". The central matters it will be dealing with involve analysis of the questions: What new forms of global security and governance are needed to manage the potential, allocate the resources, and reduce the risks of networks? How do we assess the dangers of global interconnectivity (networked terrorism, computer viruses, pandemics) against the vaunted benefits (increased transparency, higher productivity, global interdependence)? The research project will be inaugurated with a symposium and the "I love you [rev.eng]" exhibition. -- Alessandro Ludovico Neural.it - http://neural.it/ daily updated news + reviews English.Neural.it - http://english.neural.it/ Neural printed magazine - http://neural.it/n/nultimoe.htm

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cctalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 10

by mtapley＠swri.edu

ard wrote: >I always prefered the catostatic. > >[OK, a joke. I have a book on making electrostatic generators and one of >them is called the catostatic. As you may have guessed by now, this >involves stroking your cat and collecting the accumulated charge in a >Leyden jar... Knowing my cat, he'd probably get rather fed up with the >whole idea...] > >-tony I can't resist. If he's fed up, get a cat wrestler to teach you a good hode to put on him so he won't escape. (Get it? cat-hode?) Of course, that only works on a young cat - never anode one. -- - Mark 210-522-6025, page 888-733-0967

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[rescue] VAX 11/780 on Ebay

by waisun.chia＠hp.com

Forwarding in the hopes of saving the 11/780.. Jeff Workman wrote: > I hardly ever have time to read this list anymore, but I that somebody > here might be interested in this: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=5121408138… > > > -- > Jeff Workman | jworkman(a)pimpworks.org | http://www.pimpworks.org > _______________________________________________ > rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue >

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Vintage hardware in Los Alamos NM

by tomj＠wps.com

Whew! I'm in Santa Fe typing this at a wifi hotspot, and now that Ive retrieved my Objects, after protracted years of wangling, I feel safe to post more about the vintage gear at Los Alamos Sales Co (aka "the black hole") in Los Alamos NM. I'll post photos, black hole info, etc when I get home next week, but here's a quick rundown: It's not a vintage computer place; it's LANL/LASL surplus. Some of it dates back to the 1950's, but most is more recent. THere is a wad of Beige Era junk, I step over it, I'd say a cubic cubit (CC). Bazillion IBM typewriters of all sorts, including wide-carriage types. A CC of cards, paper tape (unused) including DEC factory fanfold. Big stack of RCA CDP1802xxx boards mounted in custom rack mount chassis. Full complement of RAM and monitor EPROMs. About 10. I have documentation on the RCA board at home. SOme missing 1802's, BFD. Random piles of some DEC modules. I cannot ID these; two plstic handles on human end, cardedge on the buss end. 80s. RAM boards. Some new-in-boxes (but those could of course be "return for repair" after module swap.) Grey Era IBM card equipment. CDC Cyber terminals. Nukeular Data Corp (that's a joke son, a joke) ND-811 computer(s?), with dual-floppy, and a bunch of other similar vintage junk. The ND811 (I think it is, photos will tell) is all wirewrapped, so likely it's NFG. CCs of HP, TI calculators. We earlier found complete sets of working HP25's with card readers complete with bomb-crater calc software on magstrips (utterly non-classified; it's a standard physics calc). Lots of odd peripherals. Tape drives. Floppies. Tek stuff. Old fiber stuff. IBM manual, schematic and listing sets back to the 360 days (some in the church, access limited). Vacuum column drives. (There is a secret cache of multiple CC's of paper tape gear. Access is extremely limited to this particular room, even finding it is hard... as me personally if you are UP THERE and SERIOUS. No peeing in the pool!) Keep in mind this stuff is scattered ALL OVER THE PLACE on towering shelves in a 50,000 sq ft ex-supermarket. It's out of the weather, but it gets COLD UP THERE in the winter, so things like wirewrap are suspect at best. Some things are in the church (yes one of those denominational praying peripherals) which !@#%% kids busted some windows, so there's a little rain on one edge, but worse, the birds and bats nest in the Nelson bubble lamps and SHIT all over everything, it's a terrible shame. The church is largely off-limits, and Ed has a strange relationship to its contents, and it is extremely hard to extract objects from it. Ask Me How I Know... and I've been going there for 10+ years. There's also some Wang calculators rotting up there, plus a Friden or Wang desktop computer (!) in seemingly-operable condition (I moved key items out of the range of rain and aerial poopers, at least.) I can assure you you won't find an undiscovered cache of working minis up there, but there's a LOT OF MISCELLANY. Pricing is extremely erratic, and if you get him mad, he won't sell it to you. Standard surplus/junkyard rules apply, plus Ed's peculiarities (a relatively minor item I've worked on getting out of the church, for >> 5 years, "oh no, that goes in the museum..."... he has dreams of building a big museum to the bomb up on the hill, if an item becomes museumized it becomes irretreivable. Oh yeah, there's 100K CC's of extraordinary surplus and exotics, plus office furniture, electronic parts, lab-made test gear (increasingly, anything clearly labelled "AEC" becomes museumized), racks, machine tools, granite tool slabs, ad nauseum. (Our kitchen is completely outfit with putty-green lab benchware and glass-fronted, sliding-door shelving, all ball bearing 18-gauge quality). Please drop my name when you go -- it's no ego for me, but Ed knows me and I told him I'd refer people up there, and you're likely to get a better deal. Plan on spending a day there, or better yet, two days. Seriously, I've been going there since 1994 and never get to see it all; it grows monthly and his assistant Frank, an ex-lab nerd and artist, has done an amazing job of organizing and extracting crap.

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Silent 700 model 703

by vze4x2vx＠verizon.net

Hello, I am looking for a Texas Instruments Silent 700, model 703. Do you know where I might find one? Rebecca Meyer

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simh running as root etc

by vlm＠mulhollon.com

Hello fellow retrocomputing folks Here's my perspective as the guy whom maintains the Debian package of simh. Lots of people don't like to run or install suid binaries especially something like simh that can overwrite files. Imagine a multiuser system, with simh pdp11 installed as root. Now "attach lpt /etc/passwd" well you get the idea not a good situation. My way around it, was to compile two copies of the pdp11, one plain user prog called pdp11, one with ethernet compiled in called pdp11-ether. If someone wants they can SUID root the pdp11-ether, but I'm not going to do it for them. I am not an expert pdp11 user but this seems to result in no complaints (whom is an expert on all 32 simh emulators other than Bob S ?) The reference to a kernel 2.6 feature that works around all that, is probably a reference to the tun interfaces, the ones used by openvpn and all that. At least that is my guess. Never tried that. Its open source, if you can give a good explanation of what you want in a simh package for Debian, I'll make it happen...

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Fraudulent offer from GB, How to deal with it?

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I tried posting this from a different address and it didn't seem to get through. If this is a double post please forgive me. I need to reply soon..... Well I got a classic fraud offer from Great Britian today and was wondering how to deal with it. I would love to see the offeree busted but not sure what can be done. I posted a HP110 outfit on the classifieds of the HP Calculator Museum. Got a reply of interest from GB so I sent back info and got the following reply today. I have heard of this being perpetrated on computer collectors in the past so I recognize it as a scam. Is there any way of identifying the culprit whose name (may or may not be real) is posted at the end of the letter. I assume this is illegal in GB but how would you go about informing the authorities? I would be happy to participate in a sting if that is possible. I am on the west coast of the US. Paxton Astoria Following is the message I got today: Hello, Thanks a lot for your mail and the information, also for all your efforts towards making this transaction a success, i really love it and wish to buy as soon as possible. Anyway, this is how we are going to seal this transaction there is an associate of mine in the US who is owing me $2,500 i am going to instruct him to send you a cashier's check for that amount,and when it clears your bank you can now send my balance by Westernunion. Although i know that the value of the check is more than the price of the HP 110 outfit, 9114 disk & 2225B Printer but i am willing to trust you with my balance So if this offer is acceptable to you,let me have your contact information so that i can instruct my associate to send you a check,that is your name,address and phone number Please get back to me as soon as soon as you get this mail so that i can know your decision regards this transaction. I am banking on my balance so that i will be able to settle my shippers here in there local office because it is cheaper and faster.My regards to the family. James Cole ===== James Cole 42-46 James Villa, Woolmer Way Woolmer Trading Estate Bordon,Hampshire GU35 9QF UK PS: Is this a good address?

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Corvus equipment

by lucerof＠sbcglobal.net

Hello there, Noticed a post about the coruvs equipment you wanted to get to a good home. I was wondering if it is still available? I am an avid collector and will take good care of the equipment. Let me know, Frank...

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Paper tape

by aek＠spies.com

>>> A CC of cards, paper tape (unused) including DEC factory fanfold. We could use the DEC fanfold for the computer museum PDP-1 restoration efforts.

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aol disks

by Ladyelec＠aol.com

Actually AOL disks are quote collectable. Some folks collect them for the graphics, like some folks collect old advertising. I have seen an AOL 1.0 floppy got for $100.00 on epay. Not to bad for a freebie. I actually have some I am saving to sell years from now. Best if unopened and the CDs in tins seem to be popular. And EASY to ship! On digest, Isa

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aol disks

by ejchapel＠comcast.net

Along with some vintage hardware and software I have an AOL disk and CD collection. A couple of boxes of this stuff. I am taking the chance that some day somebody will play one of these CD's backwards and perhaps see the devil. Hopefully I will have a copy of that CD and I can retire wealthy.

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Still Wanted: Side stand for IBM AT

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hi Everyone, Does anybody have an extra side stand for the IBM AT that they would part with? I have never seen one, but it's my understanding that IBM made one for the AT, but most people didn't use them. I'm willing to pay shipping plus a reasonable amount for one in good shape. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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thanks tony -

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

subtle, but oh so savage! > not a bad thing -- we all started somewhere, we all had to learn (and > most of us, including myself, are still learning). > > -tony >

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HP64000

by aek＠spies.com

However, if you can suggest an appropriate utility for imaging the diskettes, I'd be willing to take a stab at this task. -- I've been using Eric Smith's rfloppy program on Linux http://dmklib.brouhaha.com/ which is part of the dmklib package to read the 64000 discs that I have.

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CPT-8100 ??

by kmwheeler＠ualr.edu

Hello all, I'm not subscribed to the list, honestly I don't have time to fiddle with classic machines, and I gave my uncle's Altair back to him... But, I found something in my parents barn -- the loft was full of stuff, and a few strange items a "friend" left when he skipped town. I've got a CPT-8100 with keyboard. The basic box seems to all be there -- two 8" drives etc. I've got no use at all for such a thing. Does anyone have any interest in this item? I know shipping will be painful, it's heavy! I really haven't done anything other than search the web to figure out what it is. I'm in Arkansas. Thanks! -Keith Wheeler

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VAX 4000 Model 300 - OS installation Questions

by phirkel＠sympatico.ca

Hello again. I managed to jury rig a null modem cable for my "new" VAX (using a phone cable, some resources I found on Google, mere hours before Jochen posted a link to the same Google search I did :) ), using a phone cable and an old RS232 cable. It ain't pretty, but it works. My next problem is how to get an OS onto this thing. I can easily enough get the distribution CD from Encompass for Hobbyists, however, I lack a means of getting VMS onto the machine, since it only has a TK70 drive, 3 DSSI hard disks, and no SCSI adaptor. I am quite comfortable with setting up over a network (having done many installs of IRIX using Linux as a server), however, I have not found any resources on how to do this with VMS, only with NetBSD. So, what should I do? Has anybody successfully installed VMS using Linux as a server? Or should I invest in a KZQSA controller and use a SUN CD-ROM drive with it (can this be done)? Or perhaps should I invest in a DSSI CD-ROM drive? Does such a beast exist for the VAX 4000/300, even? I'm relatively new to the VAX platform from an administrative perspective, so please bear with me! Thanks! Phil.

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HP64000

by aek＠spies.com

It keeps my HP64000 company. Picked one of them up at the same time, along with probably every bit of documentation, pods and software ever made for it. -- I've been trying to archive documentation and software for these. www.bitsavers.org/pdf/hp/640000 would you be willing to loan the docs out that I don't already have to be scanned, along w the discs to archive?

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OT: Really Big Jacobs-Ladders

by ohh＠drizzle.com

It's somewhat off-topic, but judging by the joy everyone got out of CD destruction I thought it would go over well anyway. :) MPEGs of a pair of pretty spectacular, somewhat-unintentional, power-line Jacobs Ladders (one of them three-phase, the other producing a prolonged 50-foot arc) and also a little movie about what happens when your neighborhood transformer shorts to ground: http://205.243.100.155/frames/longarc.htm There's also a link at the bottom of the page to show how to shrink coins using about 100,000 amps of pulsed magnetic field. It's nice to know there are other people out there having fun too. :) :) -O.-

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IBM 5120/5120

by sharon＠rfci.net

Hello, Found your site searching on Yahoo for IBM 5110 or 5120. We have some equipment for sale maybe you might be interested in: 1 5120, IBM model 5110/3, 8" floppy drive, BASIC 1 5120 IBM model 5110/?, 8" floppy, BASIC/APL 1 5110 IBM model 5110A, internal tape drive, BASIC/APL 1 5114 IBM disk drive, 2 8" floppy drives 2 5103 printers We are an accounting firm who used these computers a very long time ago. We are moving this month, these have been in our office in storage and I would like to sell these if possible. If you are interested and would like any more detail, please contact us and I will try to provide any information needed. Some of this equipment worked when we quit using this but I do not know the condition since it has not been in use in many years. Thank you, Sharon Hamrick

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Updates to the Little Orphan Tomy Tutor site

by spectre＠floodgap.com

Updates have (finally) been completed to the Little Orphan Tomy Tutor page. This page is dedicated to the Tomy Tutor, an unusual brother of the Texas Instruments 99/4A, and its Japanese and UK relatives, featuring pictures, scans, documentation, programming information, cartridge lists, hardware specifications and more. The URL: http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/tomy/ Updates this time around: * A completely new and separate section for the Tomy Pyuuta series, with complete photographs of the inside and out of the rare Japanese Pyuuta and the even rarer Pyuuta Mk II, and screen shots and manual scans where available. (Pyuuta Jr. section coming soon when I land one of them. ^^) * Redone photographs of the main unit and motherboard, including how to take apart the unit and identify major components, as well as new photographs of packaging, ad copy and peripherals. * Additional screenshots and cartridges in the Incomplete Catalogue, including the "3-D" series. * GPL LIVES! Raphael Nabet provides new information that an unusual variant of GPL does indeed lurk within the Tomy (rats!) on the TI vs. Tomy section, and also contributes large amounts of information to update the Memory Map. * Hardware page updated with new information about Tutor hardware mappings and ROM banking strategies. * Various custodial updates. Please let me know about any questions or inaccuracies. Have fun! -- ---------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Floodgap Systems Ltd * So. Calif., USA * ckaiser(a)floodgap.com -- Birth, n.: The first and direst of all disasters. -- Ambrose Bierce --------

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CD Shredder

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 4 2004, 15:29, Scarletdown wrote: > On Saturday 04 September 2004 07:51, Ron Hudson wrote: > > Too bad AOL doesn't put their stuff on CD-RW (??? CD re-write-able > > right?) > > > > or can a CD-RW be read by a normal CD drive? > > Many CD-R drives can read CD-RW disks, provided you have UDF support. > For example, on the couple Windows-98 systems I've set up for others, Almost any CD-ROM or CD-R drive should be able to physically read a CD-RW, without any special support. Those that can't are mostly old CD-ROM drives that can't handle the lower levels of light reflected >from a CD-RW. However, UDF is a type of file system that's used mainly by some DVDs, video CDs, and some consumer-electronics recorders, and whether that can be read depends on support in your OS, not the type of drive. Unfortunately there are several flavours of UDF, and a lot of vendor-specific extensions, some of which are used by drag-and-drool software for Windows. The other problem often seen with CD-RW disks, even when they have a more ordinary filesystem on them, is that they're not "fixated" or "closed" -- the last session is left open so it can be added to. The usual reason is that someone has treated the CD-RW as a big floppy, rather than a write-once (and perhaps later erase completely) medium. Lots of software (and CD players) can't handle unfixated disks. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Intellec-mds 800

by melamy＠earthlink.net

actually software for it would not be a problem if I can ever get my hands on a MDS800 or MDS230 series II. I have all the ISIS software that Intel produced for the machines, BUT I can't duplicate the disks yet. I am working on a MDS225 that I have - part here in Virginia and the keyboard and display subsystems back in Washington state. I still have a standing request to anyone that has one of these machines that would like to part with it for cash or other items. For the record, my first commercial development system was the MDS 800 doing 8080, 8048, and 8085 assembly and using Intel's ICE systems. best regards, Steve Thatcher -----Original Message----- From: Barry Watzman <Watzman(a)neo.rr.com> Sent: Sep 4, 2004 12:17 PM To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Intellec-mds 800 The MDS-800 was an Intel development system using multibus cards. It's not a typical "hobbyist" system, although it's a very high quality computer. It normally ran Intel ISIS operating system, but CP/M is available for it. You will have a very difficult time finding multibus boards or ISIS software for this machine, although, again, it will run CP/M as well. As to the terminal, my suggestion would be: None of the above. What I use as terminals for old PCs is a PC running terminal emulation program. Often, the best thing to do is to get an old, working, monochrome laptop, usually a 386 or 486, you can buy these for $5 on E-Bay. My "main" terminal for one of my systems, is an old Zenith Z-Note 386 laptop, running DOS and Windows 3.1, I use the "terminal" program from Windows 3.1. For one of my other computers, and IMSAI, I use a serial port on my "main" computer (this one, a Pentium 4 3.06GHz), and Hyperterm under XP. That's all that you need, really. You don't need a "real" terminal, although you can certainly buy one if you wish, and if weight and size are not an issue. But if weight and size are any issue at all, it's hard to go wrong with a $5 to $10 386 or 486 laptop. *********** From: "Andy Allaway" <aaallaway(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Intellec-mds 800 To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <BAY22-F32lfF3NixvGv000a3c51(a)hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I am considering buying a classic pc. The one I might buy is the intellec mds 800. It comes with a drive also. I dont know much about vintage pc's but would love to be like you all. I thought starting with one of the best pc's would be good. So my question is, if I were to buy this pc, what type of monitor/keyboard do I hook up to it? Where can I get one? I think I need a tty serial monitor/keyboard. (Thats what I read online, what does that mean?) Is the ebay below a terminal that will work on the this intellec? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=170&item=5117243715&r d=1&ssPageName=WDVW Or do I have to buy a vintage one like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=5118745209& rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW I want to test this intellec before I buy it and want a monitor/keyboard to hook up to it before I buy it. I also dont want to spend alot for the monitor/keyboard since the pc is quite costly. Thanks for your advice, Andy ps, if I buy this intellec, what can I do with it?

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Rust on tape heads

by root＠parse.com

I've noticed a few spots of rust on some TU55 tape heads that I have. I'm wondering what I should do about it in the short term -- I've had an idea of putting something on the heads and then cleaning it off later, like oil or vaseline or... ? Any suggestions? Is there anything I can do with the heads later to clean the rust off? Are they totally hosed, or will they still work? This is on my "todo list" as far as restoration goes, just haven't gotten to it yet, but wanted to prevent any further damage if possible... Thanks in advance, -RK [If replying to me personally by email, you'll need to click on the URL that's mailed back to you to whitelist yourself.] -- Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices +1 613 599 8316. Realtime Systems Architecture, Consulting, Books and Training at www.parse.com Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 minicomputers!

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CD Shredder

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 2 2004, 11:27, Jules Richardson wrote: > On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 23:53 -0400, Teo Zenios wrote: > > > What's wrong with just breaking the cd in 2 and tossing it in > > the trash? > > If you've got a large room and a chair on wheels, put the CD on the > floor and then charge at the CD from across the room on the chair. > Great in an office environment where you can take turns. Bonus > points for not only destroying the CD but crashing through the > partition wall at the far end... Completely off topic, but if you're into that sort of thing, you'll enjoy "Things To Do When The Boss Is Out" at http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~pnt1/things/THINGS2.MPE After seeing it, my wife (yeah, the boss, she who is the very serious and relatively senior manager of 21 staff in a certain local government department) started a new craze. THINGS1.MPE has a more Olympic flavour, at least if you can imagine the 100 metre hurdles translated to an office environment. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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OT: Looking for ISA and/or PCI-ISA backplane

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

I've got both an ISA SBC (486DX) and a PCI-ISA (Pentium) SBC that I'd like to play with. Unfortunately, neither came with a backplane. If anybody has a fairly small ISA or ISA-PCI passive backplane for sale or trade, Let me know, please. Something in the 3-6-slot range, with or without enclosure. Doc

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DEC Educational Guides

by dj.taylor＠starpower.net

Back in 1984 I journeyed to Lexington, Mass and took a course at the DEC facility in Bedford (I think). It was a 2 or 3 day RT11 course, and was quite good. I remember bringing home a thick green book that was the guide for the student, I don't have it anymore; does anyone have one of these? The course I took was for RT11 V4, I wonder if there was a V5 course. Anyone take one of those DEC on site courses? I've never seen this type of DEC documentation offered for sale on ebay or anywhere. Maybe just rare? Doug

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Intellec-mds 800

by Watzman＠neo.rr.com

The MDS-800 was an Intel development system using multibus cards. It's not a typical "hobbyist" system, although it's a very high quality computer. It normally ran Intel ISIS operating system, but CP/M is available for it. You will have a very difficult time finding multibus boards or ISIS software for this machine, although, again, it will run CP/M as well. As to the terminal, my suggestion would be: None of the above. What I use as terminals for old PCs is a PC running terminal emulation program. Often, the best thing to do is to get an old, working, monochrome laptop, usually a 386 or 486, you can buy these for $5 on E-Bay. My "main" terminal for one of my systems, is an old Zenith Z-Note 386 laptop, running DOS and Windows 3.1, I use the "terminal" program from Windows 3.1. For one of my other computers, and IMSAI, I use a serial port on my "main" computer (this one, a Pentium 4 3.06GHz), and Hyperterm under XP. That's all that you need, really. You don't need a "real" terminal, although you can certainly buy one if you wish, and if weight and size are not an issue. But if weight and size are any issue at all, it's hard to go wrong with a $5 to $10 386 or 486 laptop. *********** From: "Andy Allaway" <aaallaway(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Intellec-mds 800 To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <BAY22-F32lfF3NixvGv000a3c51(a)hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I am considering buying a classic pc. The one I might buy is the intellec mds 800. It comes with a drive also. I dont know much about vintage pc's but would love to be like you all. I thought starting with one of the best pc's would be good. So my question is, if I were to buy this pc, what type of monitor/keyboard do I hook up to it? Where can I get one? I think I need a tty serial monitor/keyboard. (Thats what I read online, what does that mean?) Is the ebay below a terminal that will work on the this intellec? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=170&item=5117243715&r d=1&ssPageName=WDVW Or do I have to buy a vintage one like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=5118745209& rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW I want to test this intellec before I buy it and want a monitor/keyboard to hook up to it before I buy it. I also dont want to spend alot for the monitor/keyboard since the pc is quite costly. Thanks for your advice, Andy ps, if I buy this intellec, what can I do with it?

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Manual for Intellec 8 ?

by JMeyer101＠aol.com

Paul or anyone else, Do you have any Intellec 4 Manuals that you'd let go? Thanks, Jeff Meyer

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20,046 page doc archive still available

by aek＠spies.com

Hey John, I'd be happy to put up a mirror of it for you on computer-refuge.org --- What ever happened to the mirror of bitsavers you were going to start?

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New software now available on Series80.org site

by vp＠cs.drexel.edu

If you are looking for software and documentation for the HP Series 80 computers (early 80s) which include the HP-83, HP-85, HP-86 and HP-87 computers, check out www.series80.org. Thanks to contributions from many people the site now contains tons of useful material: Programs: http://www.series80.org/Programs/index.html Documentation: http://www.series80.org/Manuals/index.html ROM Images: http://www.series80.org/Images/index.html Best Regards **vp

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New Digital 8in.Floppy Disk Controller RX02 Board

by jcwren＠jcwren.com

This may interest some folks. New Digital 8in.Floppy Disk Controller RX02 Board http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=5121121179

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HP2100A available (Bristol, UK)

by classiccmp＠hexamon.org

Free to the first person who can collect it: I have an HP 2100A looking for a new home; this system doesn't come with any peripherals, it's just the system unit. I have no idea what the modules are in this system, but at least one of them appears to be a magnetic core store. I've never switched this system on, so I don't know what condition it is in - I'd certainly recommend testing the power supply offline before use. Since I have no software for this, it's most likely to be useful to someone who has the software and peripherals already. The date shown on the chips would point to a manufacture date arond 1975. This system in in Bristol UK, it's heavy and fragile and therefore I would prefer not to ship it. Priority will be given to anyone who can collect, but if there are none such then I am prepared to ship it provided the taker covers my packaging and shipping costs plus any import duties. Some photos are available at: http://www.hexamon.org/hp2100/hp1.jpg core memory module http://www.hexamon.org/hp2100/hp1.jpg modules top view http://www.hexamon.org/hp2100/hp1.jpg inside system http://www.hexamon.org/hp2100/hp1.jpg front panel If you are interested, pleae send an email to hp2100 (at) hexamon.org F

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Fujitsu SMD Disk for PDP-11

by dj.taylor＠starpower.net

In a moment of weakness I purchased a Fujitsu M2312K SMD disk (64MB) and thought it would be a neat thing if I could get it up and running on a Qbus PDP. Looking for power supply, cables and Emulex SC02 controller (for the RK06/7 emulation under RT11), formatting software. The disk resides with me in Maryland. Doug [Tim Shoppa, are you listening?]

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Looking for a DOS command-line e-mail client

by awt＠io.com

Looking for DOS command-line e-mail client Have you tried pegasus mail?

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AOL disks

by transit＠lerctr.org

> >>>>> So we're a bunch of Hardware/Software conservationists and >>>> up to 10% of us are dedicated to destroying old software on CDs. >>>> >>>> Considering the number of AOL disks flaoting around out >>>> there I consider that a GOOD thing! >>>> > > While AOL CD's are (currently) an extreme case. Think back to all of the > items that were once "all too common junk" and are now lost entirely. Did > any of us ever think the stuff would become rare? > I remember when AOL disks were floppies. At least you'd get a free supply.... Hmmm....I remember seeing an AOL disk for an *Apple II* around here, wonder if it would still work....

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AOL disks

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

>I remember when AOL disks were floppies. At least you'd get a free supply.... Of crappy floppies... :-O At least they were OK for xferring drivers & whatnot between machines, if you didn't need to keep the data long. >Hmmm....I remember seeing an AOL disk for an *Apple II* around here, >wonder if it would still work.... I'd bet it would work great *on ePay*... ;-) Laterz, Roger "Merch" heh, I still got my Apple // AOL access kit. It would not work with my Laser 128. I had to borrow a friend's //c to connect. Dealing with those cursed shrinkit archives was not easy with a single floppy drive either.

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DECmate III on ebay

by stephane.tsacas＠gmail.com

"DECmate III w/APU 2nd processor option board" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4193&item=5119578554 /s

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Does the name 'Ed Kelleher' ring any bells?

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com> wrote: > This tells me right away that he has absolutely no concept of what I, > as a self-hosted SysAdmin, go through each and every DAY, trying to > protect my network effectively against outside abuse. I have always advocated for a law that bans both spam and spamblocking, and imposes penalties for spamblockers 10 times as stiff as those for spammers. 1 year in prison for spam, 10 years in prison for spamblocking. Or 10 years in prison for spam, execution by guillotine on live TV for spamblocking. MS, who is also a completely self-host sysadmin, publishes his E-mail address far and wide, and uses absolutely no filtering of any kind. Former president of American Internet Relay League and proud open ARPA Internet mail relay operator, until being forced down by harassment >from criminal paramilitary death squad organisations like MAPS and ORBS.

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Manual for Intellec 8 ?

by JMeyer101＠aol.com

Jack, I have an electronic copy of the Intellec 8 Reference Manual if you need that (both Word and .PDF). Jeff

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SMTP Relays...

by cb＠mythtech.net

>But what IF a major service provider was to decide to "reduce spam" by >prefenting ALL of their residential customers from accessing and SMTP server >but their own [the cable company's]..... > >This has actually happended here in NY. You MUST use their SMTP server!!!! >[they have blocked ALL outbound traffic on port 25 except to their IP!] Which is a huge hassle and annoyance. My sister's ISP just started doing that (cablevision... probably the same NY ISP you are referring to). She now has to have two different account setups. One for when she is home and wants to send email, and one for when she is traveling and wants to send email. Major PITA if you ask me, and seriously overkill for the problem at hand (but fairly typical of the cablevision attitude towards customers). At least if you are going to block port 25, do it like AOL. Capture the traffic and reroute it thru your own mail server. That way users can stay blissfully unaware of the block, and continue to use one mail setup for all occasions. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Does the name 'Ed Kelleher' ring any bells?

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Fellow computer tinkerers, I had a recent E-mail exchange with a fellow named Ed Kelleher, apparently the president of a company called 'Macro-Inc.com.' They appear to sell overpriced (to my eyes, anyway) DEC systems and parts. What had happened was that I had found, in my mail server logs, entries which showed that Mr. Kelleher had tried to send me something, only to have it bounced repeatedly due to the fact that I'm currently blocking traffic from the biz.rr.com domain (this last due to RR.Com's utter lack of response to ongoing spam, port probes, and other abuse coming from their network). I sent him a polite note advising him of what I'd found, and asking him to please re-send the message to my backup address, which is not spam-filtered in any way that I know of. It worked -- sort of. I got back a very terse -- I would actually call it rude -- reply to the effect that he'd tried to send whatever he was sending five times, with and without attachments, and had finally given up. In his words "I don't care to send it again. Stupid policy of yours." This tells me right away that he has absolutely no concept of what I, as a self-hosted SysAdmin, go through each and every DAY, trying to protect my network effectively against outside abuse. That point aside, I sent back another polite request, saying that I'm sorry he felt that way, and asking that he please not blame me for doing what I felt necessary to protect my tiny corner of the Internet. I also asked him if he would consider at least telling me what it was he was trying to send. No response yet, of course. I'm not sure I'll ever see one. Based on what I saw of his company's web site, though, I suspect that what he had to send may have been of minimal value in any case (possibly even spam). Has anyone on the list had any contact with this person or his company? The vast majority of people that I've asked to re-send their original message have no problem with it, and are fully understanding of why their initial attempts might have been blocked. What's gotten into this fellow that he can't seem to understand the view from my side, especially considering that he sells (and presumably works with) computer goodies? Insights and opinions welcomed. Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?"

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CD Shredder

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I was down at the computer surplus store and found a shredder in the metal recycling bin. The case and covers were missing. I purchased it. It has a chain drive, larger than a bike chain, large motor, and will reverse if it stalls. Lots of nice whirring bare blades/disks. It will handle about a 1/2 inch thick pile of paper at one time. CD's don't even slow it down. My wife has come home to find me sitting on the floor shredding old checks and tax returns. Kind of therapeutic to here the whir and watch paper turned into strips. I then feed it in again and out comes chips of paper. Paper clips are OK, only has a problem with paper clamps. Kind of dangerous, but what fun is a safe shredder. Probably needs dual interlocks so that I must have both hands on them to prevent me shredding my fingers. Mike

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Cleaning up yellowed/grubby plastic?

by philpem＠dsl.pipex.com

Hi, Does anyone happen to know of a trick to remove (or lessen the effect of) the yellowing that tends to happen to lighter-coloured plastics? I've got a few monitors here that are pretty bad - the yellowing I can put up with, but the difference between the non-yellowed areas and the yellowed areas shows up like a sore thumb. Is this just one of those things that happens to plastics that's best ignored? Thanks. -- Phil. | Acorn Risc PC600 Mk3, SA202, 64MB, 6GB, philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com | ViewFinder, 10BaseT Ethernet, 2-slice, http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/ | 48xCD, ARCINv6c IDE, SCSI ... Remington, shaves as close as a blade or we send the boys round.

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CD Shredder

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I find that a leather punch and a mallet works quite well. The results are good enough that one can still use them as reasonable Frisbees ( not really balanced well ). The oven method really destroys the aerodynamics. Shredding makes them truly worthless. Dwight >From: "John A. Dundas III" <dundas(a)caltech.edu> > >I admit, actually shredding the things would be satisfying, however, > ---snip---

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S.F. Bay Area -- PDP-11 HW available -- Disks and Tape for 11/44

by wmaddox＠pacbell.net

I was up at Mike Quinn's on Saturday, and inquired about classic computers. After mentioning the PDP-11 by name, the guy there (Maurice) pointed me to an 11/44 he had in the back. The racks were already spoken for, and the contents had been pulled out and were sitting face-down on the floor. There was an 11/44 CPU, two RA-81 disk drives, and a 9-track tape drive, a TU-80 or TU-81, I believe. He was willing to let it go pretty cheap, $100 for the CPU and RA-81s, or $50 for the CPU. He thought the motors in the tape drive would sell for $25 each, so he wanted at least $50 for that. Seeing the lack of respect this poor old machine was getting (dumped on the floor to salvage the rack), and having some space in my trunk, I snapped up the CPU without much further thought. I figure a collector should have a shot at those drives before Quinn's sells them to a scrapper or someone who wants to strip them for parts. I don't have the space for them, nor enough interest in the later 11's to justify renting any more on their account. I could possibly be talked out of the CPU. I'd certainly take a smaller Q-bus '11 in trade. Heck, a convincing promise of a good home with some happy peripherals to talk to and reimbursement of the $50 I spent would probably do. :) --Bill

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logic rack?

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> ---snip--- However I am going to call them and tell them again >not to do anything with the rack and to save it for me. > > Joe Hi Joe It would be best to have all the cards pulled. This would minimize electrolysis if the connectors get wet. It sure sounds like it is a control unit or possibly even a processor unit for something. Dwight

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logic rack?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I got a call from a scrap place today and I made a quick trip out to see what they had before the hurricane hits (it's due to cross DIRECTLY over the place's location so I don't expect the stuff to be there come Sunday AM since most of the stuff is out in the open). Got some DEC core memory so the trip was worth it. One of the things that I found was a "Logic Rack" made by (somebody) Research & (something). Sorry to be vague about the name but I was in a hell of a rush. Anyway it said that they were a division of XEBEC. The rack was ABOUT 8" or 10" thick and ABOUT 32" wide and ABOUT seven foot tall and had HUNDREDS of small circuit cards that plugged into it. None of the ones that I saw had ICs, just glass diodes, trqnsistors and resistors. The cards are 4" long and 2 3/16" wide with a 16 position CINCH contact on one end. The transistors that I looked at were all date coded 1969 but I saw what looked like it might have been a date on the rack that said 1973. Anybody know what this is? Joe

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classiccmp mailserver issue

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

The classiccmp server coughed last night, apparently around 2am. I didn't notice it till about 8am, and couldn't get to it to work on it till about 10:30am. It would appear that S.M.A.R.T triggered again, claiming the 160gb drive is failing. I'm not sure I believe it, but really don't want to take the chance either. I may well finally have to go shopping for a 160+gb drive. Anyways, wanted to let folks know there was an outtage in that time frame, if you didn't notice it already :) Jay West

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National Multiplex data cassette tape drive

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Tom Jennings" <tomj(a)wps.com> > >THe worst part -- the motor had a trimpot in series with it, and that >was the sole motor speed control -- and! -- tapes written at one speed >adjustment could not be read at another speed! > >Of course I turned the pot, my fault. But just tapping it was enough. It >was total crap. > Hi Most of these motors used an internal centrifugal speed governor. These were designed to work within some span of input voltage. I would guess that the pot was to drop the voltage to be within this range. If one was to adjust the pot, there should be a range of adjustment that the speed ( with load ) was relatively constant. One would adjust the pot to be safely within this span. Dwight

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iris 3030 on ebay

by aek＠spies.com

1) Why do the IRISes look that different on their back sides? -- Looks like they were trying to increase airflow. The 24xx's were solid black on the back, with only the upper area above the I/O panels for air exit. Most of the boxes that I remember had the I/O expansion panel on the left like the 3030 in the auction.

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rodent nests

by rich_bramante＠yahoo.com

So the good news is I've stumbled upon a Frankin Ace 1000 and a TRS-80 Model I with EI unit, 2 machines which I've been looking to acquire. Better yet, both are FREE! The bad news: some sort of rodent(s) decided that the shells would make nice homes and built nests in them. I popped open tha Ace, haven't had the heart to check out the inside of the EI yet. Most of what was in the Ace was bedding and shells from eaten nuts. These came out easy enough. All wiring seems to be intact and uneaten (the back of the case did have its card slots widened by rodent teeth however -- not a big deal). There wasn't really any droppings as I imagined there would be, but there is a brown film that is on much of the motherboard. What is this (urine, oils from their fur, some other sort of bodily excretion) and is there anyway to clean these systems and try to recover them? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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iris 3030 on ebay

by aek＠spies.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=5718617192 someone on the east coast should give this a home. looks to be a well configured system.

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John Titor's computer on sale in ebay

by ron.hudson＠sbcglobal.net

Here's the link... Lots of internal pictures.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=1247&item=5120020116&rd=1 Anyone have an APL for my Mac SE? I used to have one when I had an SE.

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SMTP Relays...

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that David V. Corbin may have mentioned these words: >[snip] >It also makes it more difficult for me to service over 500 clients who have >Exchange Server Hosted on my Denver based servers. [Please NO blasting of MS >products in response to this thread <g>] Does that mean it's still OK to blast *you* for using M$ products??? ;-) ;-PPPPPPPPPP Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Randomization is better!!! If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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Manual for Intellec 8 ?

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

Anybody have a spare copy of the "MCS-8 8008 Users Manual", Rev 4 (November, 1973) or later (though Rev 4 is the latest I've seen)? Al has Rev 2 at bitsavers and I have a copy of Rev 3 (March,1973), but the earlier manuals only deal with the SIM-8; Rev 4 introduces the Intellec 8. Of course I'd love to find the actual manual, but a good copy would be greatly appreciated, as would any other info on the 8008-based Intellec 8. I've do have a fair amount of info on the 8080-based Intellec 8I which I will be scanning and posting at bitsavers or Howard Harte's archive. - Jack Rubin Wilmette, Illinois USA

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Software

by cheri-post＠web.de

> Got an email offlist from a person in .de wanting a copy of Emulex > tape/disk/comm product diagnostics and formatters. > > My replies keep bouncing, so go ahead and contact me again please. > Hello Ed, thanks alot for the files. I got these from Fred van Kempen. Thank you very much indeed ! Pierre Gebhardt ________________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt neu bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021193

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11/23 or 11/03 picture of DEC/PDP logo

by waisun.chia＠hp.com

Hmmm...my BA11-N (11/03L) was resprayed evidently as there are paint oversprays to the control panel area (the toggle switches), but I didn't know that the BA11-N front was actually in a single plain color.. I know that the BA11-M (11/03) has a nice DEC/PDP logo with color, and the BA11-S (11/23) also, so I assumed that the BA11-N has too.. Heck, and I thought using the DEC maroon for the background and white for the DEC bricks and PDP logo.. /wai-sun

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SIMH & root

by dholland＠woh.rr.com

Speaking of SIMH.. SIMH requires root privileges to do its networking (at least on most of its unix host OS's), understandably, but I'm not happy with it... So I've hacked up some code changes that'll let me change the UID/GID & chroot() SIMH is running on from the SIMH console. The idea is.. attach (network devs) attach (other root owned devs) set priv root=/some/chroot/jail gid=-1 uid=-1 (continue configuring) Anyways, my question is, does anyone else think this would even vaguely be useful? If so, I'll mail the patches into Bob Supnik, if not, I'll not waste my (or anyone elses) time. I figure there out to be at least one or two other SIMH users on this list. :) The "why" of it all.. I may have need of putting up a internet facing VAX/VMS "box" in the near future, and not wanting the heat & power issues of real hardware (yes, its hot in my "computer closet" :-( ) I thought a virtual VAX on my Linux firewall would do. I'm less concerned about the 'VAX' being hacked than I am about the firewall. (Yes, I know theoretically, its impossible for the SIMH environment to affect the firewall host OS directly, save possibly via networking, but I'm also paranoid. :-> ) /me slinks back under his rock, and awaits the snickering.. David

21 years, 12 months

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eBay madness

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

Yes, notice the number of bids. Somebody thinks he's got something higly desireable, but doesn't. I've found e-Bay, or ePay, or eGreed to be quite inflationary to sane pricing thanks to too many people with too much time and money on their hands. That coupled with 'sniping', makes eBay to me a last resort, if I can't find something elsewhere. The feeding frenzy at the end, or sniping, is now done by software that submit your bid with seconds to spare, eliminating counter bids. People are using computers to beat the eBay computers. My friend suggested that the incremental bidding be changed to whatever the MAXIMUM bid is placed. If the item is at $10 and you place a bid for $100, the bid would then become $100, not $11.00. That would eliminate a lot of counter bidding, and shills that bid up just to feel out your maximum bid. Personally I think keeping the bidding secret until the auction is over, would keep honest people honest. No one scheme would be fair to everyone though. I'll stick to swap meets, and other face-to-face deals, as I'll have less competition. Everything is worthless until someone wants it and puts some dinero down to prove it. I don't need some rich kid playing games behind me when I'm dealing with someone one-on-one. On the other side of the coin, it is hilariously laughable to see what some people pay for very common items. Caveat Emptor. Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO

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11/23 or 11/03 picture of DEC/PDP logo

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 1 2004, 22:52, Wai-Sun Chia wrote: > Some idiot resprayed my BA11-N chassis, without masking the holy DEC and > PDP logo. So now, I'm going to have to restore it. :-) Are you sure? On those BA11-N (and similar) boxes, the whole front is the same colour, logo, PDP-11 designation, and all. It's called DEC Gray #<somenumber>. The only ones that are any different are later ones (eg some BA11-S boxes) for some 11/23-Plus and 11/73 systems, which are still all sprayed the same colour, but then have a black plastic sticker added with the model number. Nothing is supposed to be masked out on any of them. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

21 years, 12 months

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HP4951 protocol analyser - help

by riad＠intnet.mu

Sir, We are from Mauritius and we have got a Protocol Analyser HP 4951B but without a manual. We have found your email on http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2002-September/002215.html website through a Google search. We would be very grateful if you could kindly inform us the possibility of getting a copy (photocopy) of the HP 4951B manual. Should you agree to help us, we would be pleased to send you the cost for the copy and s&h costs to Mauritius. Thanking you in anticipation, and looking forward to hearing from you soon. Kind Regards, Riad Hossen Ally Port Louis MAURITIUS.

21 years, 12 months

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Old games for sale, cheap

by aw288＠osfn.org

My brother gave me a box of his old DOS games, and told me to get rid of them however I saw fit. CCTALK, here they come! Anyway, I have 20-ish pound box full of early 1990s DOS games (maybe some Windows, too) for the PeeCee. Let's see, we have Ultima 4, Pirates, various AD&D games, Roger Wilco, Gunship 2000, Tornado, Wooden Ships& Iron Men, and probably a few I missed. Knowing my brother, everything original to the games is there (yes, these are real, store-bought, non-pirated originals). One money gets the whole pile - I don't want to sell individual games. Cheap. Make a stupid offer over shipping. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

21 years, 12 months

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SIMH & root

by dundas＠caltech.edu

> Anyways, my question is, does anyone else think this would even vaguely > be useful? > > If so, I'll mail the patches into Bob Supnik, if not, I'll not waste my > (or anyone elses) time. I figure there out to be at least one or two > other SIMH users on this list. :) Yes, please send it in. John

21 years, 12 months

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archiving Heath H8/H89 hard-sectored disks

by ddl-cctech＠danlan.com

I've come up with a way to read Heath hard-sectored disks with a 1797-style controller (with some modifications). I've now archived all of my old disks with only one unrecoverable error in an unused sector (not bad for media that is approaching 30 years in age). I do seem to have run through *drives* at an alarming rate, though I hope that the cleaning disks I have on order will restore some of them. Is anyone interested in: -Technical details (the method should work for many non-standard FM formats)? -Having me read any H8 disks? -Any distribution images that I might have? Dan Lanciani ddl(a)danlan.*com

21 years, 12 months

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DATA I/O Unisite Manual

by Steven_R_Hutchins＠Raytheon.com

Bruce, I have read a number of old post's on Data-IO...and they seem to be right in line with what you state on their tech support on their products. I called a different sales engineer and he was quite nervous when I mentioned the user's guide listed the maintenance manual. He finally fessed up and said they used to have a service manual available( which also came with diagnostic software ) but they were having legal issues with ICs not being programmed right after UNISITEs were repaired by other than "their certified factory". He proceeded to tell me that to become a certified repair point for DATA IO , a training and certification could be arranged ...for a price. I then asked "do you have a list of the service centers in the US? " His response was" there are none besides the one in Redmond,WA (Data-IOs main office), the cost to become certified is very expensive". He is sending me a quote. Please send me ...offline... a price for the waveform generator board. Hutch "Bruce Lane" <kyrrin@bluefeathe To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org rtech.com> cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: DATA I/O Unisite Manual cctech-bounces@cla ssiccmp.org 09/01/2004 09:39 AM Please respond to "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" Hi, Hutch, *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 01-Sep-04 at 07:27 Steven_R_Hutchins(a)raytheon.com wrote: >Anyone know where I can get a Maintenance Manual for Unisite programmer? >Data I/O claims " they do not have any" yet the Users Guide for the unisite <snip> Data I/O is lying to you, or the person responding to your question was ill-informed. DIO is, unfortunately, well on their way to becoming the Microsoft of device programmers in that they have maintenance information available, but they do not believe in releasing it or doing anything else to support self-maintained programmer owners. They've gotten excessively greedy in recent times, and they want EVERYthing to come in for service. How do I know they're shining you on? Because I have a maintenance manual for the earlier Unisites. I picked it up during a scrounge run in the Bay Area several years ago. If you want to try and bamboozle them, ask about the availability of part number 972-0014-003. It may have been superseded by a later edition. >I am getting "waveform Generator Failure" upon bootup. If you cannot get DIO to cooperate, manual-wise, I believe I have a spare WG board, still attached to a Unisite rear panel. I could probably be convinced to part with it for a small fee. Happy hunting. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?"

21 years, 12 months

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My GE Terminet 300

by tomj＠wps.com

http:/wps.com/temp/Terminet-300.jpg Not for the squeamish. Four photos, arranged like so: 1 2 3 4 Keep in mind this was 1984, the damn thing weighed about 80 lbs, and was maximally flaking out with a few pickets broken off the print fence. Excuses, excuses... Tim Pozar was the photographer.

21 years, 12 months

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Best keyboards you've used ever!

by m.wickens＠rhodium-consulting.com

OK, this one is bound to get a few responses: List the best keyboards you have ever used. You might like the feel, number of function keys, layout (let's not forget Dvorak or more esoteric designs) or pure keyboard<->computer love (you might really get off on Vaxen). My list is something like: 1. IBM Model M (original buckle-spring technology, still standing the test of time) 2. Unicomp PC 5250 (two rows of function keys at the top upto F24 and a set of 10 on the left, can be bought new and 'broken in') 3. DEC LK421 (not-often-seen cut-size Unix programmers DEC keyboard) 4. Wyse WY-40 (very nice positive feel with sturdy base) 5. Early Chiconi PC keyboards (hopelessly rattly and cheap but engaging 'click' and quick to type on none-the-less) 6. My college used to have a computer room full of terminals, possibly Adds, which had a very nice short travel and positive click keyboard). 7. ZX81 (simply because it was my first computer). 8. Cherry high end keyboards. 9. DEC keyboards with a 'Do' and 'Help' key. 10. SUN keyboards with 'Cut', 'Copy' and 'Paste' keys. I'm a great fan of dedicated keys, and function keys on the left. Whoever decided to put the out of reach at the top of the keyboard needs their head examining! There must have been some stonking keyboards attached to more vintage hardware. I'd love to know about them (if that doesn't sound a bit weird!). Mark. -- Mark Wickens Rhodium Consulting Ltd

21 years, 12 months

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New toys: 1944 IBM !!! Warning OT

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

The past couple of weeks weren't a complete lose. On my trip out of town to find a generator I finally manage to pick up something that I've had my eye on for quite a while. A 1944 made IBM (wait for it!) Carbine! Yeap, a gun! A US model M1 .30 caliber carbine. This was made at IBM's #4 plant in Poughkeepsie, New York. According to the SN it was made between January and March of 1944 and this one appears to be 99% original. The only thing that appears to be non-original is the butt plate. All the other parts are the right style and markings for the period/manufacturer. This one even has orignal IBM manufacturered barrel and reciever (many were made under sub-contract by Auto Ordanance and are of inferior quality). The stock and handguard are interesting, they're marked BR-B (made for IBM by Milton Bradley!!!). Also picked up a mint LOW sn (~7000) Inland M1 ( made 1942!!) and a mint Rockola M1. (Rockola manufactured juke boxs prior and subsequent to WW II). I working on picking up a couple more including one made by National Postal Meter and one made by UN-Quality and, with some luck, an ULTRA RARE Irwin-Pederson. Wish me luck! Joe

21 years, 12 months

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DATA I/O Unisite Manual

by Steven_R_Hutchins＠Raytheon.com

Anyone know where I can get a Maintenance Manual for Unisite programmer? Data I/O claims " they do not have any" yet the Users Guide for the unisite ( downloadable from their website) lists Maintenance Manual under options. I am getting "waveform Generator Failure" upon bootup. "Hutch"

21 years, 12 months

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