1 Sep
2004
1 Sep
'04
2:11 p.m.
Fellow computer tinkerers,
I had a recent E-mail exchange with a fellow named Ed Kelleher, apparently the president
of a company called 'Macro-Inc.com.' They appear to sell overpriced (to my eyes,
anyway) DEC systems and parts.
What had happened was that I had found, in my mail server logs, entries which showed that
Mr. Kelleher had tried to send me something, only to have it bounced repeatedly due to the
fact that I'm currently blocking traffic from the biz.rr.com domain (this last due to
RR.Com's utter lack of response to ongoing spam, port probes, and other abuse coming
from their network).
I sent him a polite note advising him of what I'd found, and asking him to please
re-send the message to my backup address, which is not spam-filtered in any way that I
know of.
It worked -- sort of. I got back a very terse -- I would actually call it rude -- reply
to the effect that he'd tried to send whatever he was sending five times, with and
without attachments, and had finally given up. In his words "I don't care to send
it again. Stupid policy of yours."
This tells me right away that he has absolutely no concept of what I, as a self-hosted
SysAdmin, go through each and every DAY, trying to protect my network effectively against
outside abuse.
That point aside, I sent back another polite request, saying that I'm sorry he felt
that way, and asking that he please not blame me for doing what I felt necessary to
protect my tiny corner of the Internet. I also asked him if he would consider at least
telling me what it was he was trying to send.
No response yet, of course. I'm not sure I'll ever see one. Based on what I saw
of his company's web site, though, I suspect that what he had to send may have been of
minimal value in any case (possibly even spam).
Has anyone on the list had any contact with this person or his company?
The vast majority of people that I've asked to re-send their original message have no
problem with it, and are fully understanding of why their initial attempts might have been
blocked. What's gotten into this fellow that he can't seem to understand the view
from my side, especially considering that he sells (and presumably works with) computer
goodies?
Insights and opinions welcomed. Thanks much.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy,
Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com
kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal
ports?"
1 Sep
1 Sep
2:34 p.m.
I've done business with Ed on a number of occasions and found him to be easy
to deal with, honest and resonable. I've never had a situation with Ed where
I couldn't reach him or vice-versa.
I'm a big fan of SpamAssassin - which both protects my firm from SPAM as well
as giving me a great deal of flexibility regarding SPAM control. I've not
found it wise to blacklist an entire domain - I prefer much finer controls.
BTW, with tweaking, I get less than 0.5% of SPAM per day - with no false
positives.
Lyle
On Wednesday 01 September 2004 19:11, Bruce Lane wrote:
Fellow computer tinkerers,
I had a recent E-mail exchange with a fellow named Ed Kelleher, apparently
the president of a company called 'Macro-Inc.com.' They appear to sell
overpriced (to my eyes, anyway) DEC systems and parts.
What had happened was that I had found, in my mail server logs, entries
which showed that Mr. Kelleher had tried to send me something, only to have
it bounced repeatedly due to the fact that I'm currently blocking traffic
from the biz.rr.com domain (this last due to RR.Com's utter lack of
response to ongoing spam, port probes, and other abuse coming from their
network).
I sent him a polite note advising him of what I'd found, and asking him to
please re-send the message to my backup address, which is not spam-filtered
in any way that I know of.
It worked -- sort of. I got back a very terse -- I would actually call it
rude -- reply to the effect that he'd tried to send whatever he was sending
five times, with and without attachments, and had finally given up. In his
words "I don't care to send it again. Stupid policy of yours."
This tells me right away that he has absolutely no concept of what I, as a
self-hosted SysAdmin, go through each and every DAY, trying to protect my
network effectively against outside abuse.
That point aside, I sent back another polite request, saying that I'm
sorry he felt that way, and asking that he please not blame me for doing
what I felt necessary to protect my tiny corner of the Internet. I also
asked him if he would consider at least telling me what it was he was
trying to send.
No response yet, of course. I'm not sure I'll ever see one. Based on what
I saw of his company's web site, though, I suspect that what he had to send
may have been of minimal value in any case (possibly even spam).
Has anyone on the list had any contact with this person or his company?
The vast majority of people that I've asked to re-send their original
message have no problem with it, and are fully understanding of why their
initial attempts might have been blocked. What's gotten into this fellow
that he can't seem to understand the view from my side, especially
considering that he sells (and presumably works with) computer goodies?
Insights and opinions welcomed. Thanks much.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy,
Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com
kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with
surreal ports?"
--
Lyle Bickley
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
http://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
3:14 p.m.
I too have dealt with Ed and found him to be extremely nice
and easy to deal with. His office is near where I live and
work and I've been by there to do some old DEC equipment dealing
with him. I have been very satisfied with our transactions and
he went out of his way to give me a few extra items each time I
visited him. Perhaps there is some misunderstanding with the
email situation.
I do understand the spam issues, as I ran my own mail server
for several years, but ultimately decided to let the ISP do
it because it became a maintenance issue and I was too busy.
As for Ed's systems that he is selling online, there seems to be
a market for what he is building and testing, and he has to earn
a living, so more power to him if he can get what he's asking
for those DEC systems. It has to do with the rules of supply
and demand. I have been known to pay a higher price for an
old system if it is built and pre-tested by another person who
is more experienced than I am. Alternatively, if I'm going to
attempt to test or assemble an old system myself, I will pay
less for the componentsor system. In the first example, I am
willing to pay a premium for the other person's time and expertise.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Lyle Bickley
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:35 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Does the name 'Ed Kelleher' ring any bells?
I've done business with Ed on a number of occasions and found him
to be easy
to deal with, honest and resonable. I've never had a situation
with Ed where
I couldn't reach him or vice-versa.
I'm a big fan of SpamAssassin - which both protects my firm from
SPAM as well
as giving me a great deal of flexibility regarding SPAM control.
I've not
found it wise to blacklist an entire domain - I prefer much finer
controls.
BTW, with tweaking, I get less than 0.5% of SPAM per day - with no false
positives.
Lyle
On Wednesday 01 September 2004 19:11, Bruce Lane wrote:
Fellow computer tinkerers,
I had a recent E-mail exchange with a fellow named Ed
Kelleher, apparently
the president of a company called
'Macro-Inc.com.' They appear to sell
overpriced (to my eyes, anyway) DEC systems and parts.
What had happened was that I had found, in my mail server
logs, entries
which showed that Mr. Kelleher had tried to send
me something,
only to have
it bounced repeatedly due to the fact that
I'm currently
blocking traffic
from the biz.rr.com domain (this last due to
RR.Com's utter lack of
response to ongoing spam, port probes, and other abuse coming from their
network).
I sent him a polite note advising him of what I'd found,
and asking him to
please re-send the message to my backup address,
which is not
spam-filtered
in any way that I know of.
It worked -- sort of. I got back a very terse -- I would
actually call it
rude -- reply to the effect that he'd tried
to send whatever he
was sending
five times, with and without attachments, and had
finally given
up. In his
words "I don't care to send it again.
Stupid policy of yours."
This tells me right away that he has absolutely no concept
of what I, as a
self-hosted SysAdmin, go through each and every
DAY, trying to
protect my
network effectively against outside abuse.
That point aside, I sent back another polite request,
saying that I'm
sorry he felt that way, and asking that he please
not blame me for doing
what I felt necessary to protect my tiny corner of the Internet. I also
asked him if he would consider at least telling me what it was he was
trying to send.
No response yet, of course. I'm not sure I'll ever see one.
Based on
what
I saw of his company's web site, though, I
suspect that what he
had to send
may have been of minimal value in any case
(possibly even spam).
Has anyone on the list had any contact with this person or
his company?
The vast majority of people that I've asked to re-send
their original
message have no problem with it, and are fully
understanding of
why their
initial attempts might have been blocked.
What's gotten into this fellow
that he can't seem to understand the view from my side, especially
considering that he sells (and presumably works with) computer goodies?
Insights and opinions welcomed. Thanks much.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy,
Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com
kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with
surreal ports?"
--
Lyle Bickley
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
http://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
4:24 p.m.
call him up and discuss it ... let him yell for a while and then still
offer an olive branch... this sometimes works...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Carder" <wacarder(a)usit.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:14 PM
Subject: RE: Does the name 'Ed Kelleher' ring any bells?
I too have dealt with Ed and found him to be extremely
nice
and easy to deal with. His office is near where I live and
work and I've been by there to do some old DEC equipment dealing
with him. I have been very satisfied with our transactions and
he went out of his way to give me a few extra items each time I
visited him. Perhaps there is some misunderstanding with the
email situation.
I do understand the spam issues, as I ran my own mail server
for several years, but ultimately decided to let the ISP do
it because it became a maintenance issue and I was too busy.
As for Ed's systems that he is selling online, there seems to be
a market for what he is building and testing, and he has to earn
a living, so more power to him if he can get what he's asking
for those DEC systems. It has to do with the rules of supply
and demand. I have been known to pay a higher price for an
old system if it is built and pre-tested by another person who
is more experienced than I am. Alternatively, if I'm going to
attempt to test or assemble an old system myself, I will pay
less for the componentsor system. In the first example, I am
willing to pay a premium for the other person's time and expertise.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Lyle Bickley
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:35 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Does the name 'Ed Kelleher' ring any bells?
I've done business with Ed on a number of occasions and found him
to be easy
to deal with, honest and resonable. I've never had a situation
with Ed where
I couldn't reach him or vice-versa.
I'm a big fan of SpamAssassin - which both protects my firm from
SPAM as well
as giving me a great deal of flexibility regarding SPAM control.
I've not
found it wise to blacklist an entire domain - I prefer much finer
controls.
BTW, with tweaking, I get less than 0.5% of SPAM per day - with no false
positives.
Lyle
On Wednesday 01 September 2004 19:11, Bruce Lane wrote:
Fellow computer tinkerers,
I had a recent E-mail exchange with a fellow named Ed
Kelleher, apparently
the president of a company called
'Macro-Inc.com.' They appear to sell
overpriced (to my eyes, anyway) DEC systems and parts.
What had happened was that I had found, in my mail server
logs, entries
which showed that Mr. Kelleher had tried to send
me something,
only to have
it bounced repeatedly due to the fact that
I'm currently
blocking traffic
from the biz.rr.com domain (this last due to
RR.Com's utter lack of
response to ongoing spam, port probes, and other abuse coming from
their
network).
I sent him a polite note advising him of what I'd found,
and asking him to
please re-send the message to my backup address,
which is not
spam-filtered
in any way that I know of.
It worked -- sort of. I got back a very terse -- I would
actually call it
rude -- reply to the effect that he'd tried
to send whatever he
was sending
five times, with and without attachments, and had
finally given
up. In his
words "I don't care to send it again.
Stupid policy of yours."
This tells me right away that he has absolutely no concept
of what I, as a
self-hosted SysAdmin, go through each and every
DAY, trying to
protect my
network effectively against outside abuse.
That point aside, I sent back another polite request,
saying that I'm
sorry he felt that way, and asking that he please
not blame me for
doing
what I felt necessary to protect my tiny corner of the Internet. I also
asked him if he would consider at least telling me what it was he was
trying to send.
No response yet, of course. I'm not sure I'll ever see one.
Based on what
I saw of his company's web site, though, I
suspect that what he
had to send
may have been of minimal value in any case
(possibly even spam).
Has anyone on the list had any contact with this person or
his company?
The vast majority of people that I've asked to re-send
their original
message have no problem with it, and are fully
understanding of
why their
initial attempts might have been blocked.
What's gotten into this
fellow
that he can't seem to understand the view from my side, especially
considering that he sells (and presumably works with) computer goodies?
Insights and opinions welcomed. Thanks much.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy,
Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com
kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped
with
surreal ports?"
--
Lyle Bickley
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
http://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
3:04 p.m.
Bruce Lane wrote:
Fellow computer tinkerers,
This tells me right away that he has absolutely no concept of what I, as a self-hosted
SysAdmin, go through each and every DAY, trying to protect my network effectively against
outside abuse.
That point aside, I sent back another polite request, saying that I'm sorry he felt
that way, and asking that he please not blame me for doing what I felt necessary to
protect my tiny corner of the Internet. I also asked him if he would consider at least
telling me what it was he was trying to send.
No response yet, of course. I'm not sure I'll ever see one. Based on what I saw
of his company's web site, though, I suspect that what he had to send may have been of
minimal value in any case (possibly even spam).
Has anyone on the list had any contact with this person or his company?
The vast majority of people that I've asked to re-send their original message have
no problem with it, and are fully understanding of why their initial attempts might have
been blocked. What's gotten into this fellow that he can't seem to understand the
view from my side, especially considering that he sells (and presumably works with)
computer goodies?
Insights and opinions welcomed. Thanks much.
O-kay....
You're blacklisting an entire legitimate domain, and you're upset
that a correspondent from that domain won't send you information for the
sixth time?
As a system administrator managing several commercial mail servers, I
do have a clear concept of your pain, and I call bullshit. There are
better ways to control spam. I'll grant that it's entirely your right
to filter anybody, any way you want, but when you take it to the extreme
there are consequences.
As the mail admin, it's *my* responsibility to my users and
correspondents to manage spam, relays, and all the other booogeymen that
go with mail traffic. They should not have to jump through hoops to
send a valid email into, or out of, my domain. There's no reason at all
that a correspondent should have to make extraordinary effort to allow
for your laziness.
I also fail to see ANY justification for your post to CC. This issue
is private, it started in private, and it should have stayed private.
Doc
4:21 p.m.
Don't let it bring you down!
heck there are people that I email and they do not even reply.
But remember, that is just a calibration of their personality.
The odd thing is if they ever needed help I would still try to help them.
hope all ends well!
Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
Please check our web site at
http://www.smecc.org
to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we
buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us.
address:
coury house / smecc
5802 w palmaire ave
glendale az 85301
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Lane" <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com>
To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:11 PM
Subject: Does the name 'Ed Kelleher' ring any bells?
Fellow computer tinkerers,
I had a recent E-mail exchange with a fellow named Ed Kelleher, apparently
the president of a company called 'Macro-Inc.com.' They appear to sell
overpriced (to my eyes, anyway) DEC systems and parts.
What had happened was that I had found, in my mail server logs, entries
which showed that Mr. Kelleher had tried to send me something, only to
have it bounced repeatedly due to the fact that I'm currently blocking
traffic from the biz.rr.com domain (this last due to RR.Com's utter lack
of response to ongoing spam, port probes, and other abuse coming from
their network).
I sent him a polite note advising him of what I'd found, and asking him to
please re-send the message to my backup address, which is not
spam-filtered in any way that I know of.
It worked -- sort of. I got back a very terse -- I would actually call it
rude -- reply to the effect that he'd tried to send whatever he was
sending five times, with and without attachments, and had finally given
up. In his words "I don't care to send it again. Stupid policy of yours."
This tells me right away that he has absolutely no concept of what I, as a
self-hosted SysAdmin, go through each and every DAY, trying to protect my
network effectively against outside abuse.
That point aside, I sent back another polite request, saying that I'm
sorry he felt that way, and asking that he please not blame me for doing
what I felt necessary to protect my tiny corner of the Internet. I also
asked him if he would consider at least telling me what it was he was
trying to send.
No response yet, of course. I'm not sure I'll ever see one. Based on what
I saw of his company's web site, though, I suspect that what he had to
send may have been of minimal value in any case (possibly even spam).
Has anyone on the list had any contact with this person or his company?
The vast majority of people that I've asked to re-send their original
message have no problem with it, and are fully understanding of why their
initial attempts might have been blocked. What's gotten into this fellow
that he can't seem to understand the view from my side, especially
considering that he sells (and presumably works with) computer goodies?
Insights and opinions welcomed. Thanks much.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy,
Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com
kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with
surreal ports?"
2 Sep
2 Sep
3:36 a.m.
Are you all top endians or bottom endians for email replies?
I'll go for bottom endian.
At 10:11 PM 9/1/2004, you wrote:
"Hello, have I reached the party to whom I am speaking?"
Sorry, but that hit a nerve.
I decided not to accept his apology (and resend the file) because I thought
he needed a wakeup call (purely IMO).
Two schools of thought I guess on telling people if their fly is open.
I'm in the "let them know it" school.
Bruce Lane asks me to send stuff, "I run my own servers, so attachments
are not a problem",
but blocks my domain and doesn't tell me of an alternate address.
Trying to do him a favor, at his request, he forgets he invited me, locks
the door in my face, ignores my knocks and calls me rude?
Since he cared to make his thoughts public, I'm happy to follow suit.
"What a wanker!" is what I'm thinking.
(Eudora says that's a bad word ... sorry <g>)
[End of personal rant]
[begin domain blocking rant]
Blocking domains like biz.rr.com to reduce spam is stupid, IMHO.
What? Maybe you go from 98% spam to 90%?
Pull the plug and you'll not have to worry at all.
Just counted and I have 543 rules setup in my Eudora email filters.
I am not using any other spam filters, but 99% of incoming spam goes to the
trash folder.
Of course some good stuff goes in there, but I skim the trash and get most
of them before flushing.
(Like a request for Maxtor XT2190 disk drive from South Africa that I have
to get to here in a bit).
Bruce Lane wrote:
Fellow computer tinkerers,
I had a recent E-mail exchange with a fellow named Ed Kelleher,
apparently the president of a company called 'Macro-Inc.com.' They appear
to sell overpriced (to my eyes, anyway) DEC systems and parts.
What had happened was that I had found, in my mail server logs,
entries which showed that Mr. Kelleher had tried to send me something,
only to have it bounced repeatedly due to the fact that I'm currently
blocking traffic from the biz.rr.com domain (this last due to RR.Com's
utter lack of response to ongoing spam, port probes, and other abuse
coming from their network).
I sent him a polite note advising him of what I'd found, and
asking him to please re-send the message to my backup address, which is
not spam-filtered in any way that I know of.
It worked -- sort of. I got back a very terse -- I would actually
call it rude -- reply to the effect that he'd tried to send whatever he
was sending five times, with and without attachments, and had finally
given up. In his words "I don't care to send it again. Stupid policy of
yours."
This tells me right away that he has absolutely no concept of
what I, as a self-hosted SysAdmin, go through each and every DAY, trying
to protect my network effectively against outside abuse.
That point aside, I sent back another polite request, saying that
I'm sorry he felt that way, and asking that he please not blame me for
doing what I felt necessary to protect my tiny corner of the Internet. I
also asked him if he would consider at least telling me what it was he
was trying to send.
No response yet, of course. I'm not sure I'll ever see
one. Based on what I saw of his company's web site, though, I suspect
that what he had to send may have been of minimal value in any case
(possibly even spam).
Has anyone on the list had any contact with this person or his
company?
The vast majority of people that I've asked to re-send their
original message have no problem with it, and are fully understanding of
why their initial attempts might have been blocked. What's gotten into
this fellow that he can't seem to understand the view from my side,
especially considering that he sells (and presumably works with) computer
goodies?
Insights and opinions welcomed. Thanks much.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy,
Hi, I'm Ed Kelleher.
You might remember me from such smash threads as,
"Hey, put a magnet by the CRT and watch the pretty colors!", or ...
"Do you really have to use that word?"
Thanks Lyle and Ashely for your kind comments.
The other day I posted a message to the list saying I had Teledisk images
available of software for most Emulex hardware.
Several folks emailed me on/off list asking for a copy. Happy to oblige.
Including Bruce Lane, author of the above. His off list solicitation is
copied below.
Despite being an avaricious purveyor of "overpriced" DEC hardware, and
defender of eBay,
(I published my mea culpa when I first joined this list not too long ago
"At 05:37 PM 5/28/2004, you wrote:")
I was happy to send copies of what I had as my very small part in promotion
of the hobby.
I sent Bruce Lane a copy, at his request, and tried to get through to him 5
times in different ways.
No joy. I didn't want to appear to be blowing off his request and give up.
How do I get through?
Searched the cctalk emails to see if he was a participant.
Wasn't going to bother if he were just a lurker - take but no give. He wasn't.
I found posts of his and an earlier post on cctalk from someone else who
had same problem getting through to Bruce Lane.
I posted it to cctalk with a brief request that Bruce Lane get in touch
with me. I didn't particularly like to do that, but didn't want to appear
rude in ignoring the guy's request either.
Bruce Lane then sends me an email saying in effect, through his diligent
effort he saw where maybe I was wanting to contact him but he blocked
entire domains like biz.rr.com. This was after I posted the same to cctalk.
> During a routine review of our E-mail server logs,
I came across
> an indication that a message you sent may have been wrongly rejected as
spam.
<snip>
If this was indeed you, please try re-sending your message to my
backup address of kc7gr(a)qsl.net -- RoadRunner.com has been heavily
blocked at our servers because of a very high incidence of spam, port
probes, and similar network abuse. This includes the biz.rr.com domain.
Thank you for your patience, and I apologize for the hassle.
Damn right it was a hassle.
Sent it 5 times, with/without attachments.
Stupid policy of yours.
I don't care to send it again. This tells me right away that he has absolutely no
concept of what I, as a
self-hosted SysAdmin, go through each and every DAY, trying to protect my
network effectively against outside abuse.
I'm not sure what a "self-hosted SysAdmin" is but I think I are one too.
Maybe I have my eyes closed, but we have box on the table and it just sits
there and hums.
I pay a little extra to get "business class" from RoadRunner (big US cable
access provider).
That's the biz.rr.com domain thing ("thing" so all you purists don't
jump
on me<g>)
that gives a fixed IP with a little more bandwidth, router and stuff.
There's lots of business class road runner users.
Seems nonsensical to block it because of a few spammers.
My nephew (young geek, I'm the OLD geek as Sellam has pointed out<g>) set
us up with a PC with Debian Linux, Apache and QMail.
He knows all that web/linux stuff, I can muddle through if necessary, but
try and avoid it.
I guess the thing has our website www.macro-inc.com on it because when I
sneaker-net stuff to \var\www\ , it pops up on the web.
I do our webpage by text editing the html code (not with TECO though).
My nephew pops in every couple of months and updates the Debian, etc. stuff.
I got a spare computer and manage to image copy the server hard drive to
the backup occasionally.
So, I'm pretty much web clueless, but it still doesn't seem such a big deal
that I'd have to cut off a leg or something.
Which is why I thought Bruce Lane's domain blocking was foolish -- an
unnecessary impediment and a hoop I didn't care to have to jump through.
Wasn't a big deal. He apologized and I was going to send him the files
anyway, but then I thought that if his domain blocking foolishness had no
cost he wasn't likely to change, so didn't send them.
I'll be happy to send the files if he removes the blocks.
Of course Bruce Lane might very well think if someone is so ill considered
as to use biz.rr.com, or AOL, or hotmail that he'll let them know it has a
cost as well and block them from sending to him. And he has every right to
do so.
[whois Ed Kelleher]
"Google - Images" for "Ed Kelleher" will show you a picture of my
father
(in white skivvy shirt) in Korea in 1952.
I was a few months old at the time. He didn't see me till I was over 2
years old. Another example of nasty American imperialists spending blood
and treasure to take advantage of and enslave poor South Korea. As we did
in France, Germany, Italy and Japan.
And as we're doing to poor Iraq and Afghanastan today. My father made it
back, seemingly whole, but didn't live much longer.
www.macro-inc.com as has been mentioned is my vocation.
"Google - Web" for "Ed Kelleher grassroots" will show you my
avocation.
Sorry for long OT thing.
Ed
Hi, Ed,
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 31-Aug-04 at 14:23 Ed Kelleher wrote:
Got an email offlist from a person in .de wanting
a copy of Emulex
tape/disk/comm product diagnostics and formatters.
My replies keep bouncing, so go ahead and contact me again please.
I have 2 teledisk images and txt file zipped up.
Is there a place that archives this and would want a copy?
<snip>
I would be happy to archive these, and make the available to
whoever needs them.
Please send the disk images along. I run my own servers, so
attachments are not a problem.
I will post a note to the list when they become available.
Also, if I may be so nosy: Are you related to Herb Kelleher?
Thanks much.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, 
4:11 a.m.
>>
>> Are you all top endians or bottom endians for email replies?
Consus (with significant dissent <g> is that we are "East Enders"....
(edit in the pertinent parts, and reply in-line)
The most work, but the most readable....
>> I'll go for bottom endian.
>>
Some will be "Tops" and some will be "Bottoms"....
4:19 a.m.
I'm flexible. I do it either way
----- Original Message -----
From: "David V. Corbin" <dvcorbin(a)optonline.net>
To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:11 PM
Subject: RE: Does the name 'Ed Kelleher' ring any bells?
I'm flexible. I do it either way.
I'm flexible. I do it either way.
>>
>> Are you all top endians or bottom endians for email replies?
Consus (with significant dissent <g> is that we are "East Enders"....
(edit in the pertinent parts, and reply in-line)
The most work, but the most readable.... >>
I'll go for bottom endian.
>>
Some will be "Tops" and some will be "Bottoms"....
4:15 a.m.
New subject: OK, done already (Re: Does the name 'Ed Kelleher' ring any bells?)
Hi all,
I think the initial answers to Bruce's question, plus Ed's explanation,
are enough to close this thread. If needed, take it off-list and
fight, but not on thist list.
(I have positive experiences with both, by the way, my EUR 0.02)
Thankee,
Fred
8:22 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Kelleher" <Pres(a)macro-inc.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: Does the name 'Ed Kelleher' ring any bells?
"Google - Images" for "Ed Kelleher" will show you a picture of my
father
(in white skivvy shirt) in Korea in 1952.
I was a few months old at the time. He didn't see me till I was over 2
years old. Another example of nasty American imperialists spending blood
and treasure to take advantage of and enslave poor South Korea. As we did
in France, Germany, Italy and Japan.
And as we're doing to poor Iraq and Afghanastan today. My father made it
back, seemingly whole, but didn't live much longer.
www.macro-inc.com as has been mentioned is my vocation.
"Google - Web" for "Ed Kelleher grassroots" will show you my
avocation.
Sorry for long OT thing.
Ed
Not your father's fault - or anyone else who served in the armed forces.
When it comes to governments that's different.
Without going back too far in time , Afghanistan wasn't doing too bad under
the Russians - women had the right to education and to wear what they liked.
It was a relatively stable and prosperous country for that part of the
world. Along comes Uncle Sam and gives old Osama and his mujahideen pals
lots of money and arms ( and cia training ) to kick out the Russians in a
bloody war and the muslims take charge - first thing they do is stop poppy
growing - no more heroin . Good thing huh? But the women are back in the
stone age. Then Al and the quieda's ( Osama's backing group ) start kicking
up shit and biting the hand that armed them - so in goes Uncle Sam and he's
still in there .The next thing you know - poppy/heroin production is at an
all time high - Yay ! Good thing huh? The country's in ruins , your soldiers
are being killed , the civilians are being killed- and your government
bloody well
started it !Old Osama and his gang got their start with the good 'ol US of
A.
Governments start it and the population , on all sides , bear the brunt.
The words stir and hornets and nest spring to mind.
This is a rant against your ( and with Iraq - my ) government, not the poor
buggers who are in the firing line - which may be you or me soon.
p.s. you forgot south america - but the cia do a good job so no troops
needed.
3 Sep
3 Sep
7:51 a.m.
"Bruce Lane" wrote:
Has anyone on the list had any contact with this person or his company?
I have bought some things from them and found them to reputable and
their prices (for what I bought) to be reasonable.
To be honest, I think you're asking a lot of people to "understand" when
you block their email.
(and I've started ISP's and run DNS and e-mail on the Internet since the
mid '80's, so I've been around-the-block a few times, to make a bad pun
:-).
It's your right to block, but it's concidered bad form.
-brad
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