In Byte Magazine Vol. 3 Nos. 9, 10, and 11 (Sep 1978, Oct 1978,
Nov 1978) there is an article written by Kin-Man Chung and
Herbert Yuen describing a "Tiny Pascal" compiler. Tiny Pascal
compiles a subset of pascal to p-code, and then translates that
p-code into 8080 assembly. The compiler is written in North
Star BASIC.
I found the articles in the local library, but I noticed that
the listings are incomplete (especially the p-code to 8080
translation program is absent)
I'm interested in tracking down the history and sources of this
compiler. I have heard that it was ported to many other 8-bit
machines. I'm trying to track down working versions of this
compiler and those from which it was derived.
Any resources would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
-Eric
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Rumor has it that Liam Proven may have mentioned these words:
>Oh, I am sure, but I'm sorry, it's 2006 and I am not prepared to use a
>text-mode interface as my primary or only means of controlling a
>workstation in the 21st Century!
;-) ;-) [[ Insert more smileys here... ;-) ]]
With that attitude, Bill Gates must *love* you... ;-)
>A server, yes, fine. A workstation, a terminal, no. :?)
Pffft. I can get more done in Linux with Lynx than I can with firefox --
*unless* the page is b0rked or I wanna look at playboy.com - then there's
`links -g`... Who needs winders to see nekkid chix?!?! Not me!
;-)
I just *wish* I had room to set up my VaxStation again - but I have a CoCo
to set up for the kids first. ;-)
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Ah, the pleasures of being on the cc-tech digest! Kind of like
retro-tivo...
I'm not clear on the pre-history of USRobotics but I can tell you some
of the early history. In the late '70s a group of UofC students (and
near-students?) got together to do some computer stuff. When the name
actually appeared and what the first "product" might have been I don't
know, but apparently the group went from 7 to 5 to 3 members. I became
aware of the company in 1982; at that time the principals were Casey
Cowell, Paul Collard and Steve Muka and the only product was modems. A
Hyde Park neighbor of mine, Stan Metcalf, had been a member of the
earlier group(s) but we never really talked about what the group was
doing when he was involved with them. The story told at that time was
that the company had been formed to produce a home terminal based on Don
Lancaster's TV typewriter which they would sell to UofC users for
dial-up access to the campus mainframe. When the modem was finished,
they realized they would do better selling it as a standalone product to
be used with a standard terminal (eg the Bantams and Teleltypes) and
stopped short of designing their own terminal. I never knew anyone named
Terry who was involved with the company or knew of any other products.
When I first learned of the company, they were in the process of moving
>from Washington and Eagle Streets in Chicago, right around the corner
>from what would become Oprah's Harpo Productions, to McCormick Street in
Skokie. First location had been in Casey's apartment on Lincoln Avenue
near the Biograph theater. I started with them in 1984; I don't think
Bill Donzelli joined the company until a good bit after the move to
Skokie. When _I_ cleaned out the basement on Eagle Street, I found a
couple ASR-33s and some Perkin-Elmer Bantam terminals along with a fair
number of bogarted doobies left by the shipping crew. The Bantams were
still in use internally by the company and had been resold by them at
one point when they were still selling the black, vacuum-molded
"bathtub" modems. By the early 80s, the current product was the
aluminum-cased (Hayes look-alike?) AutoDial series.
The company ran on a couple of MP/M based Dynacomp systems with attached
terminals (the Bantams and/or Televideos, later Wyse50s). My first job
was to convert the single-user BASIC inventory program (a legacy of the
first system, a TRS-80 Model III) to dBaseII and then multiuser
DataFlex. When we moved to Skokie we also moved to a couple of
Godbout-based S100 systems, running MP/M then MP/M II and finally the
Gifford version of ConcurrentDOS. Skokie was a lot bigger and I
installed DR-NET to link a couple remote systems; not long after we
moved to an HP3000 and the ASK MANMAN (manufacturing management) system.
ASK was FORTRAN based and used HP IMAGE for data management.
Lots of hard work and good times.
Jack
Message: 1
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:12:25 -0500
From: "Bob Bradlee" <Bob at BRADLEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: US Robotics PC?
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Back in the late 70's the guy who started US robotics was building modem
kits and systems with a guy names Terry who had a computer shop Midwest
Micro Computer in lombard Il. It was second only to Itty Bitty Machine
Company just off the Northwestern campus in Evenston
as the first computer store in the Chicago area. Terry wanted me to
help him fix a bunch of
modem kits that were being solid the US Robotics name, I was shocked at
the choice of name, and was told he went out of his way to secure the
name and trademark, that was why we had to fix the kits he could not get
working ASAP. Wish I could think of Terry's last name
That one will bug me a while :(
Any Old time Windy City hackers remember Terry ?
Here is one for the crowd, Does any one else at the founding meeting of
the Chicago Computer Society met for the first time at Devry and Ward C
of
CBBS and Modem1 through 7 fame asked everyone to stand up and sit down
in response to what universal question ?
BTW: the computer you are thinking about was z-80 ran cpm and wordstar
and an early spread sheet and a hack of what became eventually Xmodem
because that was about all there was then. I think the printer was the
first used of the epxon FX80 not to be confused with the MX80 that came
along a few years later. The FX printer was very popular in early Point
of Sale systems.
Thanks for bringing up a fresh batch of old memories.
Bob Bradlee
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:08:21 -0800, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>This was back, oh, in about 1978. I was at one of the trade shows
>(don't remember which one) and there was a fellow with a computer with
>integrated monitor, disk drives and a printer (sticking out of the top)
>in a fairly large black box--probably Z80, but I can't be sure.
>I remember that it was USR because of the unusual name of the company.
>Has anyone else ever seen one of these beasts?
>Cheers,
>Chuck
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IINM the founder (or something) of USR lives in this
general vicinity (Ocean Cty., NJ). Doubt I could track
him down solely based on the account of someone whn
bought a bow of motors from him (:O),...but I could
try. Maybe hed know...
--- cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org <aw288 at osfn.org>
wrote:
> > I remember that it was USR because of the unusual
name of the company. Has
> > anyone else ever seen one of these beasts?
>
> Never saw one, and I often cleaned up USRs junk
room.
>
> William Donzelli
> ex integrat at usr.com
> aw288 at osfn.org
>
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At 09:57 PM 2/22/2006, vrs wrote:
>> >Seconded. ebay and paypal exist for the buyer, not the seller. I had a
>> >friend sell something online for $80, then take the money out. 2 weeks
>> >later the buyer claimed that "his computer was taken over by hackers"
>> >and denied ever buying the item (which was virtual, ie. no physical
>> >product to ship or track). paypal tore the $80 out of his account,
Welcome to credit card processing. It favors the customer not the seller.
It doesn't get any better in real life. If your business accepts
credit cards, you can bet that you'll be on the hook if the
transaction is called into question for any reason.
>PayPal has a different revenue model, and a different set of biases.
>They also have to deal with restrictions imposed by credit card
>transactions. As a result, PayPal is much more biased toward the
>buyer.
I don't know how you can have an auction process for relatively
low-cost goods while keeping transaction costs low AND incorporating
some kind of dispute resolution or escrow service. Good, fast, cheap;
pick any two.
It's even true of any mail order business: Customer says they opened
the box and it was full of packing peanuts and a chunk of wood, not
their computer part. What happens?
- John
what about this larry.. guy on the west coast. What a
friggin moron! He apparently bought up ALL the Zenith
Z-100s west of the Mississippi (the rest belongs to
another ass-carrot named Herb right here in the great
state of NJ. But excuse me, I feel the sudden urge to
projectile vomit). At each and every auction he says
its the last one hes got. So I shoot him an e-mail
question, and his reply begins with - understand...I
dont know you. And he refused to give a shipping quote
until after I bid.
--- cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org
<ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Even if the seller is not a collector and knows
nothing about what he's
> > > selling?
> >
> > Yep, even then. They should take a little bit of
pride in their work, and also
> > do the rest of us the common courtesy of first
checking anything that they
> > present as fact.
> >
> > If the former isn't possible, there's absolutely
nothing wrong with listing an
> > item and admitting that they know nothing about
it! If the seller knows
> > nothing about the item, there's no reason for not
just saying so...
>
> Exactly.
>
> I've bought many things over the years -- at radio
rallies (hamfests), in
> second-hand shops, and on E-bay -- where the seller
doesn't know much, if
> anything, about it. Maybe it turned up in some
scrap, maybe it came from
> the estate of a relative, whatever. Often I've done
rather well by
> recognising something that others haven't recognised
(equally, I've
> kicked myself a few times for _not_ recognising
something as the missing
> part I need to complete a <foo>).
>
> And I have no problem with sellers not knowing much
about the item.
> Nobody can know everything.
>
> That does not excuse them from making up false
information. IMHO they
> should either take the time and trouble to check
(which may boost the
> final selling price, so it could be to their
adbantage), or just say
> noting. Present the facts (in this case just quote
what it says on the
> nameplate), let the buyers decide.
>
> IANAL but I think that presenting false information
like this would be
> classed as misrepresentation. And even 'innocent
misrepresentation' --
> giving false information when you had no reason to
suspect it was false,
> is an offence.
>
> -tony
>
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dont know how small it is, but Herb Shildts C - the
complete manual (I think thats the title, its orange,
black and white) by Osborne has the source for a C
interpreter (dont know if its 16 or 32 bit. My rather
rotten guess is its meant to be compiled as a VC++
console app). There was also a C interpreter as part
of some MS package (maybe Quick C?). Now everyone can
jump for joy at such glad tidings.
--- cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org <cclist at sydex.com>
wrote:
> On 2/23/2006 at 12:04 AM Gary Sparkes wrote:
>
> >How about anything that'd fit on an atari
portfolio, in 64kb ram card?:)
>
> How about the Small-C interpreter? Should fit in
64K just fine:
>
> http://www.cpm.z80.de/small_c/smc88dos.zip
>
> Cheers,
> Chuck
>
>
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Except when you are talking about Ashton-Tate's DBaseII, where they felt no
one would buy it if it were a first version, so they made it sound like a
second version.
:) Bob
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Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:19:47 -0500
From: "'Computer Collector Newsletter'" <news at computercollector.com>
Subject: Stupid eBay user du jor
<snip>
... but geez, the only research this doofus had to do is to read the big
letters on the cover of the instruction manual ... Where it says "II" as in
"not the first." :)
<snip<
Tony Duell wrote:
Is it, though? The spring is not to ground the whole drive, it's to
ground the spindle/disks. Apparently, static buildyp on the disks can
cause read errors (it induces small signals in the read heads), and the
bearings may not be that good a conductor due to the lubricant forming an
insulating film.
Certainly just about all hard drives (including the demountable ones on
my '11s) have grounding contacts. You would therefroe think they
performed some useful purpose.
-tony
It was a lot more serious than mere read errors. The static charge on the
surface of the disks could build up to thousands of volts in just seconds.
And its main discharge path was through the heads - they were the closest to
the charge. I changed many a head on the early 14 inch drives that had a
clean little burn hole right through the flying surface.
The static discharge springs had a metal button that fit on the end of the
spindle shaft. It was metal to metal so there was always some wear. If the
button wasn't replaced when it wore, the charge wasn't bled off and sooner
or later, took out a head and usually the preamp. Maintenance schedules
always included cleaning and inspecting the springs.
Very quickly, other schemes can into use that alleviated the need for the
discharge spring. The most practical was a ferrofludic seal on the top of
the bearings. The design goal was a path of around 10K ohm to ground. That
would bleed off the charge but not put a spike on the ground. Tony is right
about bearings not being that good of a path. But ferrofludic seals were
excellent and the resistance could be controlled. They came in about the
time of the transition from 14 inch to 8 inch drives. So some 14 inch
drives didn't need a static discharge spring, but most did. I only saw one
8 inch drive with a discharge spring. After that, the ferrofludic seal was
standard.
I would never ever bend a spring away from the spindle. Too many bad
experiences. The noise was a necessary pain. You can ease it by moving the
spring slightly, so a different part of the button is touching. All the
designs I know have oblong holes on the spring, so you can tweak the
adjustment. It's unfathomable to me why an OEM would tell its customers to
bend the spring away from the spindle.
Billy
On 2/21/2006 at 7:35 PM vrs wrote:
>I am certain that Xenix/286 doesn't page. It does swap, much like early
>PDP-11 Unix kernels. But you will need enough RAM to load the kernel plus
>your largest process.
Certainly not page--there's no native paging facility in the 286. That
came with the 386. However, the 286 can run segmented code and swap
segments in and out of memory. One could, I suppose, define a 64K page
size and fill the descriptor table with entries and so, in theory, have a
virtual memory size of half a gig. But you'd have to tread selector
arithmetic something awful.
AFAIK, no OS ever did this on the 286.
Cheers,
Chuck
All,
I have the following up for grabs:
* ICL DRS 8801 manual (Users Guide and Ready Reference)
* Five or so 3Com EISA network cards
Available for pickup from Central London (Camden/Euston area), or I can
post if anyone wants to pay postage.
Contact me off-list.
Best wishes,
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I'm assisting in the construction and control of a robot for a competition
with my highschool based around a "fischertechnik interface". I don't have
any documentation or information on this interface, besides the fact that
it's parallel port controlled and most of the control was done through
various BASICS (C64, Apple 2, etc)
I'm not even sure the documentation I have with the basic listings is for
this interface.
I'm hunting for information, but there isn't much avalable for this.
The only real distinctive markings are "32372 - 1188 HD", FCC ID FZQ2WT
UNIVERSAL... it's a black bottom with a clear plastic topped case, there's
two sets of voltage inputs plus what appears to be a ground. there appears
to be two parallel port pin headers? plus the header for output and motor
control (four motor circuts)
If it helps, there's a blank IC spot with "4050" in it.
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Hi,
I've been creating 'guides' on ebay for various terminals. I'd
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I'm trying to restore an Osborne Executive, but there seems to be
something wrong in the CRT circuitry. The machine powers up and beeps,
but I see nothing on the CRT. Fiddling with the CRT pots does nothing.
I hear none of the expected noises from the CRT circuitry, nor do I see or
smell anything burnt. Can someone here point me in the right direction?
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Anyone have schematics of the power supply for a DecServer 200?
Have a dead one, and before I start poking around, I'd like some kind
of reference for it. Definately in the PS, fans not running, and
swapping in a good PS from another broken unit makes it work.
Dear folks,
Is anyone interested in an Amstrad PCW 8512 in good working order
(720k drive belt recently replaced, spare belt for 360k drive
available) with plenty of discs, Locoscript, Super Type and Desktop
publishing software, printer, spare printer cartridge? A second
PCW8512 also available with printer - but this needs new drive belts
fitted to its disc drives.
I am in the UK - Leeds (West Yorkshire).
Best wishes,
Alasdair Beal
a.beal at btinternet.com
I was scanning some of my TI-99/4A docs and noticed
this on the back cover...
"Texas Instruments invented the integrated circuit,
the microprocessor, and the microcomputer. Being first
is our tradition."
The microprocessor? Anyone know what they use to make
that claim?
David
http://www.trailingedge.com
You need to ask yourself what exactly you are trying to do with the software. ILS (library automation) software is probably overkill. MARC import (what's been talked about- you enter the ISBN and it pulls over MARC cataloging data from LC/Marvel [most often] and/or a proprietary database) is excellent for library use, but a number of specialized books don't have LC CIP data easily available, and need to be entered by hand. #2 question is do you need circulation. Most of these systems are designed to implement electronic CIRC, which could be nice if you routinely lend books out, but could also be a hassle.
Things to check: Haven't had much experience with Readerware, looked at Athaenium (you can still get the free version) but it doesn't have MARC import or seperate bib/holding records (might not matter for the private collector)
Koha looked interesting, Mandarin M3 could also be used. An advantage of these is that they are set up for an internet environment. M3 has many optional modules that are $$$, Koha is all free. Both look like they could support a fairly large-size library. The downside of M3 is that (a) only runs on windows (b) if you aren't familiar with MARC, you're sunk. There's another free ILS program that sounds very good but I can't remember the name right now. I can remember that its major fault is that it is only available in Portugese (Brazil funding, written at a Brazilian university).
A spreadsheet might be your best shot. A filter to convert EAN (most book barcodes) to ISBN should not be hard, it's just a matter of stripping the first two digits and then putting the proper last digit on. Downside is that you can't search or track circ.
Jules Richardson wrote:
> ... although the spring seems to be the norm on 5.25" hard drives,
presumably
> for cost reasons?
I can't answer that. None of the 5.25' drives I worked on had a spring.
You are probably right; the spring is way under a dollar, while the ferro
seals were several dollars each.
>> I would never ever bend a spring away from the spindle. Too many bad
>> experiences. The noise was a necessary pain. You can ease it by moving
the
>> spring slightly, so a different part of the button is touching. All the
>> designs I know have oblong holes on the spring, so you can tweak the
>> adjustment. It's unfathomable to me why an OEM would tell its customers
to
>> bend the spring away from the spindle.
>Hmm, unless on 5.25" drives they have both the spring and the magic seals
for
>some reason - although I can't think why. If so though, maybe the advice
about
>bending the spring only applies to 5.25" drives?
Can't answer 'cause again, I have never seen such a drive. But I find it
very hard to believe that a drive manufacturer would design in the static
discharge spring and then recommend it be disabled. Margins on disk drives
are minuscule. Every item that can be cut, is. I know of entire teams
working on 2 and 3 cent cost reductions. To add an unnecessary part costing
a dollar is madness.
I have changed dozens of heads and preamps blown by worn springs. So I'm a
believer. I admit it. I've too many bad memories of loose or worn static
springs destroying electronics. And, by the way, the discharge through the
head creates an intense magnetic field and usually erases a chunk of data on
the disk. It's a real nasty gotcha.
I've worked daily with hard disk design since 1976, and static is one of the
biggest nightmares in this world. It gets worse with time. Moving to the
first MR heads, involved revamping the entire factory, eliminating any
potential charge over 100 volts. GMR took that down to sub-10 volt. Now,
with TunnelingMR and Perpendicular heads, the level goes down again. We are
working with flying heights smaller than the wave length of visible light.
So it doesn't take much of a charge to bridge the gap. And static also has
some very exotic effects on magnetic domains in a modern head; a whole new
industry has grown around suppressing static electricity in disk drive
production.
The older drives you are talking about don't share this new type of
weirdness. But static was always a major problem because of the disk
ripping through the air. Static is a natural consequence of the technology.
>I wonder why the squeal happens? Whether it's wear on the spring side or
the
>spindle side? If the former, then a donor spring from a scrap unit could
fix
>things.
The springs are designed to wear, albeit slowly. You do not want any wear
on the spindle. And it is normally a very hard stainless steel. The button
on the spring is usually an ablative type of material so it will wear before
the spindle. The squeal comes from uneven wear creating vibration. The
same as the squeal from worn brakes on your car. The frequency is usually
determined by the length of the spring and its tension.
>I also wonder if using graphite grease is a viable way of curing the
problem -
> or if the grease just wouldn't last long enough or wouldn't provide a
useful
>ground path...
Graphite was tried. And various type of grease. But you are dealing with a
constantly spinning piece of metal. It usually sloughs off any lubricant
quickly. And that creates a new problem of introducing contaminants all
over the base of a drive. Eventually, some of them make it back through the
breather filters or the bearings. And yes, the static spring had the same
problem, though to a lesser degree. It was not the ideal solution by any
means and was eliminated as quickly as possible.
Billy
>cheers
>Jules
I have the manual here somewhere. I also found it online at bitsavers I
think. If I don't get back to you in a couple of days, send me a reminder. I
doesn't include the scematic, just a block function diagram.
> ----------
> From: Glen Goodwin
> Reply To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 1:07 PM
> To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: Kaypro 10 Western Digital Hard Disk Controller WD
> 1002-HD0
>
> Good luck! I think I have every bit of documentation
> Kaypro ever produced (including internal-only docs)
> and there appears to be NO schematic of the disk controller
> board.
>
> If someone can prove me wrong, I could use that
> schematic as well . . .
>
> Glen
> 0/0
>
> j.e. van der Geest wrote:
> > Any schematic available for the WD 1002-HD0
> > Need them badly
> > Jos
> >
>
Hi
How foes Fairchild fit into this. It is true that
the F8 was a two chip setup but then no more then
the 4004 was a single chip processor. The ROM and
RAM devices on the 4004 buss watched the instruction stream
and did things based on the instruction.
Where does that fit in with TI?
Dwight
>From: nospam212-cctalk at yahoo.com
>
>I've seen the Ray Holt thing before but wasn't
>familiar with Gilbert Hyatt. So it appears that at
>the time, TI took on Intel and won the claim, at that
>time, to the title of creator of the microprocessor.
>Explains their statement now.
>
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>> And then there's Ray Holt:
>> http://www.microcomputerhistory.com/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
>> [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
>> On Behalf Of William Maddox
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:31 PM
>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>> Subject: Re: TI and firsts
>>
>> --- nospam212-cctalk at yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> > "Texas Instruments invented the integrated
>> circuit, the
>> > microprocessor, and the microcomputer. Being first
>> is our tradition."
>> >
>> > The microprocessor? Anyone know what they use to
>> make that claim?
>>
>> Google for "Gilbert Hyatt microprocessor"
>>
>>
>>
>
>David Williams
>http://www.trailingedge.com
>
>
UPS *just* dropped off the package containing the prototype fabs for the
MEM11A memory boards. They look great! I'm hoping to get some time
this weekend to populate one and test it out (actually it'll be more
like put in a few components, do some checks, "wash, rinse, repeat"
until I've got it all populated and working).
I'll let y'all know how it goes.
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TTFN - Guy
>All those caveats aside, you mean? 8?/
Not really, I don't find those caveats very limiting, and the VS3100/76 is a nice small lowish-power Rigel box (7.6 VUPs) that can be had cheaply. VS4000s are substantially more expensive, unless you can source them locally, and the bigger boxes have more proprietary parts that can't be hacked (I'm still trying to figure out how to get a VAX 4200 running with no drive sleds and no real SCSI) My 3176 zipps along fairly well with 32MB of RAM, a 2GB IBM disk, and a WY-150 console (I took a 6 position modular jack and shaved off the latch with a chisel. It stays in pretty well on its own, and can be taped or otherwise clipped if falling out is a problem). I've had no problems with the 1 GB limit yet (VMS is stable, I've managed to crash UNIX much more often), but I've heard that the dump option that scribbles on bigger disks can be shut off.
3100/76s (of course-they're DEC) use proprietary RAM, but on a VAX 16 MB should be O.K., especially if you aren't running DECwindows. You could take both /76s and cluster them, even, if you want more fun. The proprietary SCSI connector can be gotten around by balancing an old Toshiba on the box with the cover off. The drive plate ensures that the processor is sufficiently cooled, even with the cover off.
Go ahead and grab one, I would if they were closer.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Guzis [mailto:cclist at sydex.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:55 PM
> On 2/23/2006 at 8:26 PM Kelly Leavitt wrote:
>
> >Well, there are 8 or 10 programs on the disk in question.
> Shouldn't MZ
> then
> >show up 8 or 10 times. If I find a good hex editor I can read the DIR
> >structure and figure out where the files start and see what is there.
>
> No--not in the case of .com files, which are just memory
> images ORG-ed at
> offset 100 in the PSP. No structure at all.
>
> For a useful hex/ASCII file browser, Vern Buerg's LIST is
> hard to beat--and
> you don't need windows for it.
>
> http://www.buerg.com/
D'OH!
I LOVE list, just haven't used it in a LONG time.
Of course, now I need to add a TCP/IP stack to my disk imaging machine.
Disks are getting tiresome, and rebooting to Linux when I have the images,
or need something from the net is bothersome.
Time to dig up the WFW disks...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Guzis [mailto:cclist at sydex.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:23 PM
> On 2/23/2006 at 7:05 PM Kelly Leavitt wrote:
>
> >I just imaged a disk of an MS-DOS compatible computer (Tandy
> 2000). Does
> >anyone here know the magic number of an exe under ms-dos 2.0? I had
> assumed
> >that it was MZ, like current exe files, but I only see 2 or
> 3 occurrences
> >of this in the entire data stream from the disk. On the plus
> side, I see
> LOTS
> >of strings that tell me I have actually read the contents of the disk
> (this
> >machine used DS/QD drives).
>
> Why does this surprise you? I think that it'd be safe to say that the
> preponderance of executables in the old 2.0 and before days were .COM
> files. But AFAIK, it's always been MZ--though I can check my
> DOS 2.0 and
> DOS 1.1 docs for you.
Well, there are 8 or 10 programs on the disk in question. Shouldn't MZ then
show up 8 or 10 times. If I find a good hex editor I can read the DIR
structure and figure out where the files start and see what is there.
Some of you might find this site to be of interest:
http://www.pmillett.com/tecnical_books_online.htm
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ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can
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M Dakin
Hi
I'm sure McMaster-Carr has them but of the original
group he stated also had them. He was just looking under
the wrong name. He should have been looking for standoffs
or spacers. The digikey catalog on my lap has them indexed
as Harware/Spacers/Standoffs.
As a general rule, any hardware that McMaster-Carr doesn't
have just plan doesn't exist.
Dwight
>From: "Don North" <ak6dn at mindspring.com>
>
>Try this place: http://www.mcmaster.com/ ... under the section
>FASTENING AND SEALING click SPACERS.
>
>If they don't have it, it does not exist, and you will have to make it
>yourself.
>
>>> Hi -
>>> I searched for card separators on Digikey, Code Micro, or Jameco (some
>>> people call them "risers.") - no specific luck. I have emailed them for
>>> assistance. In the mean time...
>>>
>>> As I wrote before I am trying to install a small computer board on top of a
>>> computer motherboard, so that the smaller board is about 9/16" separated
>>> from the motherboard. There is not much clearance and I want to just make
>>> it a few hairs above the IC's on the motherboard or I can't close the lid
>>> of the computer. There are holes in both boards that line up for the
>>> risers (the small board is made to be attached to the motherboard with
>>> risers). My local Radio Shack's card separators/risers are either too
>>> short or too tall.
>>>
>
This was back, oh, in about 1978. I was at one of the trade shows (don't
remember which one) and there was a fellow with a computer with integrated
monitor, disk drives and a printer (sticking out of the top) in a fairly
large black box--probably Z80, but I can't be sure.
I remember that it was USR because of the unusual name of the company. Has
anyone else ever seen one of these beasts?
Cheers,
Chuck
Hi -
I searched for card separators on Digikey, Code Micro, or Jameco (some
people call them "risers.") - no specific luck. I have emailed them for
assistance. In the mean time...
As I wrote before I am trying to install a small computer board on top of a
computer motherboard, so that the smaller board is about 9/16" separated
>from the motherboard. There is not much clearance and I want to just make
it a few hairs above the IC's on the motherboard or I can't close the lid
of the computer. There are holes in both boards that line up for the
risers (the small board is made to be attached to the motherboard with
risers). My local Radio Shack's card separators/risers are either too
short or too tall.
The card separators/risers have screw holes on either end so that you can
fasten them to the boards.
Does anyone in this group have four 9/16" risers that they'd like to sell
or trade me? I actually found two in my supplies, but I need four of the
same height. If anyone would like a picture to get a better idea of what I
need, let me know via private email.
Bill Degnan
>From: "Lance Lyon" <lance.w.lyon at gmail.com>
>
>From: "Dwight Elvey" <dwight.elvey at amd.com>
>
>> Most shill's can be noticed by looking at the buyers records.
>> If they have a lot of buying from the same seller, it is a good
>> chance that they are a shill.
>
>Not always the case, I sell quite a bit of Commodore equipment & I have
>regular buyers (in fact one guy has bought 28 items from me in the last four
>years). In the same vein, there are sellers that I have bought many items
>off because they have what I want, and they are reliable.
>
>The statement is way too broad.
>
>cheers,
>
>Lance
>
>// http://landover.no-ip.com
> Classic machines, classic software //
>
Hi
I would suspect that those buyer also buys from many others.
I meant that the buyer only buys from one seller and buys
many types of items. I doubt this is the case
you have mentioned.
Dwight
Hey, so I'm glad that I read a web page (can't remember the URL,
sorry... linked from the Nike Missile site, I think) about
refurbishing deteriorated parts in old machines. I bought a 2648A
main unit (would love a keyboard for it, if anyone has an extra) and
opened it up last night. The tape drive capstans have turned to a
puddle of goo! So I figure that if I ever want the tape drive to be
in working order, that I need to:
i) remove the goo
ii) recreate/replace the capstan
Does anyone have a unit with an intact capstan that could give me
physical dimensions? I doubt anyone has a repair kit that would
include the capstan, but that would certainly be welcome! Aside from
the capstans and a little dust inside the case, the internals look
fine. The case has a small crack in one corner, but otherwise appears
in typical condition for its age. This thing is basically a
microcomputer... when I used them back in 1979, I had no idea that
there was this much electronics inside the thing!
I do have the user manual from bitsavers, but it doesn't go into
repair stuff, just installation (which is how I figured out how to
open the case) of options.
As always... thanks!
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>From: "Dan" <ragooman at comcast.net>
>
>Lurker here,
>
>Just keep in mind that as with any other business(and auctions) there's
>always a shill to artificially inflate the bidding for an auction. eBay
>is notorious for this as they have absolutely no precautions(nor
>security) against this. I know because I've found how this done very
>easily, anyone who has access to internet can do this. The seller can
>easily just as well have numerous eBay screenames/accounts and bid
>against his own auction to drive up the price(and act as his own shill).
>So what looks like an act of stupidity is easily just a ploy by the
>shill to aggravate you into bidding more for his/their product. eBay has
>no type of screening whatsoever to prevent this type of thievery. Just
>be forewarned.
>
>=Dan
>
>
---snip---
Hi
Most shill's can be noticed by looking at the buyers records.
If they have a lot of buying from the same seller, it is a good
chance that they are a shill. Also a quick check of the sellers
feedback will often find several shill names.
Ebay doesn't seem to do much more than warn the seller when
they are notified. This is even when it is obvious shilling.
Dwight
{The Design of OS/2} by Deitel and Kogan (how do you delineate titles of books when you can't underline or italicize?) seems to indicate that the triple fault switch back to real mode is relying on a "feature" of the 80286, since for the reset method it talks about the hardware involved (keyboard controller on AT, I/O port electonics on PS/2). The book also makes the note that "compared ot the other alternatives, the process [triple faulting] is a slow one" (285).
Hi
These are usually called standoffs. Digikey has many types
and sizes. Give me material and thread sizes and I can
give you a digikey part number.
Dwight
>From: "B. Degnan" <billdeg at degnanco.com>
>
>Hi -
>I searched for card separators on Digikey, Code Micro, or Jameco (some
>people call them "risers.") - no specific luck. I have emailed them for
>assistance. In the mean time...
>
>As I wrote before I am trying to install a small computer board on top of a
>computer motherboard, so that the smaller board is about 9/16" separated
>from the motherboard. There is not much clearance and I want to just make
>it a few hairs above the IC's on the motherboard or I can't close the lid
>of the computer. There are holes in both boards that line up for the
>risers (the small board is made to be attached to the motherboard with
>risers). My local Radio Shack's card separators/risers are either too
>short or too tall.
>
>The card separators/risers have screw holes on either end so that you can
>fasten them to the boards.
>
>Does anyone in this group have four 9/16" risers that they'd like to sell
>or trade me? I actually found two in my supplies, but I need four of the
>same height. If anyone would like a picture to get a better idea of what I
>need, let me know via private email.
>
>Bill Degnan
>
>
Interesting FYI ... Like anyone who has been around the early days of
micro HDs, I have heard HDs make an attention getting squeal. After a
while, we knew/found out that it was caused by the grounding spring on
the bottom of the drive, and bend it out of the way. In glancing through
some old Compaq Service Bulletins, I saw IN PRINT that the fix was to
remove the grounding strap with the comment that the drive is adequately
grounded though other contact points.
good luck I know. Maybe someone could at least tell me
how to get into the BASIC interpreter (if it really
has one). Does this thing really have an 8085? Maybe I
have to look again. Neither I nor the bloke who gave
it to me could find it. Certainly has alot of strange
looking IBM house #ed chips. I hate proprietary ****.
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Does anyone know of a web site with a full ISBN catalog of books where
you can build a "my books" collection?
I'm thinking of something similar to the "My Movies" section of
<http://www.imdb.com> or the "DVDs I Own" section of
<http://www.tvshowsondvd.com>.
Amazon gives you a checkbox that says "I own it", but no way to list
all the books you've marked as such. I think they only use this for
product suggestions and don't let you build a collection list on their
site.
There seem to be software products devoted to book collectors, but I'm
looking for something really simple.
Any suggestions?
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One thing that I've seen used for separating cards are wire-wrap pins.
For what you are doing, it sounds like they would work quite well ...
assuming you can solder them in place. If not, what about plastic or
aluminum standoffs available at most any electronics supply place?
> Does anyone in this group have four 9/16" risers that they'd like to sell
> or trade me? I actually found two in my supplies, but I need four of the
> same height. If anyone would like a picture to get a better idea of what I
> need, let me know via private email.
>
> Bill Degnan
>
This was reported on the HPLX mailing list:
>from
http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/22/japan-bans-old-electronics-as-of-april-1/
<quote>
It seems that Japan's government revised its "Electrical Appliance and
Material Safety Law" back in April 2001, and added a stipulation that items
authorized under the country's old law (the "Electrical Appliance and
Material Control Law") couldn't be sold anymore, but granted those products
a five-year grace period. Well, if you check your convenient wall calendar,
you'll see that the five-year period is about to end, which means that as of
April 1, pretty much any electronic gear sold before April 1, 2001 can't be
legally resold in Japan.
</quote>
There are some loopholes mentioned.
Bob
>I would be most interested in one, but it's over a decade since I last
>even /saw/ a VAXstation. I've no idea how to choose the most powerful
>out of that lot!
It depends what you want to run on them, too. The /76 won't run Ultrix, and mine is a bit flakey with NetBSD (haven't managed to get it completely installed with either 2.0 or 3.0 without crashes and weirdness). VMS runs great, though. (I have v7.2 on mine, the only problem with the hobbyist distro is that the 5.0 UCX on the Hobbyist V2 CD doesn't properly do Telnet. Don't know how well 7.3 works on VS3100 with 16 MB). The /76 also is the smaller case (like the /30). The plus with a Unix is that you can use > 1 GB disks with a < 1GB root partition O.K. I have a 2 GB drive running VMS with crossed fingers, supposedly there is a way to turn off crash dumps but I haven't found it yet.
The VS3100 has a DA15M connector for video that looks a bit like a ERGO but is not, you'll need an adaptor at least. Base 3100/76 video is B&W unless you have the SPX option. You also need a LKA-type keyboard and VX-type mouse. SW3 can be flipped to put the console on the printer port, though. Remember it has the bizarre SCSI connector on the back (SUN SL-CD/XM-4101 drives work for install, though, and are easy to move around).
Nice little boxes, though.
>Is this why there are some sellers on ebay that are absolutely hostile
>to anything paypal? I even had one seller that would only accept
>paypal coupled to a bank account, not a credit card (although how they
>could tell I don't know).
In the second instance, it was probably because (AFAIK) PayPal nicks you a chunk of change per transaction if you accept credit card based payments.
First instance is probably because they are reticent about giving a corporation permission to muck about in their bank accounts.
Watcom C is available which is pretty good. You can also get GCC for
DOS as well...
Ram
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
> [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jules Richardson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:16 PM
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: C Compilers for (MS)DOS
>
>
>
> What's the state of play regarding DOS C compilers? I might
> have a need to do
> some DOS-based C development work - are there any
> good-but-free DOS compilers
> about?
>
> I did have Turbo C on tape, but I haven't tried to read those
> tapes in years
> and wouldn't hold out much hope of them still being intact...
>
> ta
>
> Jules
>
>
Ok, I'll admit it ... I have a perverted sense of humor :). Some number
of years ago, I acquired some Hexadaisy circular calculators and sold
them on ebay (IIRC about $20.00 each.) I just did a search for
"Hexadaisy" on Google and found someone had taken my original
description and picture and put it up on their website. I don't have a
problem with this, but I do find it funny!
many 16 inch and larger monitors from that era were
oem-ed by Sony. I used to find them at TCF for as
little as $10 in the mid 90s. The one favorite of mine
was the GDM-1932 IIRC, which was Sonys house number,
but had an IBM monniker. I never had an issue with
them. Not as radiation compliant and certainly more
power hungry then a newer model, but the thing had a
date code of 1988! Havent pulled them out in a while
but I still have 2.
--- cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org <teoz at neo.rr.com>
wrote:
> A thread was started on a forum I frequent about
people matching up monitors
> with the equipment they collect. I have a few
Commodore monitors with my
> Amigas, the correct Apple monitor for my IIgs and
Atari monitor for my
> 1040STF but I could never find a decent working
larger monitor for my
> vintage 68K Macs. The question I have is do the 19"+
Supermac/Radius type
> monitors have such a bad design that they lasted
only a few years? How do
> early 1990's monitors of that size compare to the
monitors that came before
> and after them? Also larger older monitors seem to
use up quite a bit more
> electricity and generate quite a bit of heat (maybe
thats why they didn't
> last), do you guys have issue with older monitors?
>
>
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It might make the most sense in online auctions if ALL bids were snipes.
Simply bid what you're willing to pay for the item and if it's more than
the reserve and higher than any other bid, you've won it by whatever the
bid increment is. That's the way I bid on all of my eBay purchases. When
I place my snipe bid, I say "I'd be willing to pay this much for the item,
after which either I'm not sufficiently interested or I know where I can
purchase the same thing cheaper". There's no stress of seeing if anyone
else has bid more than I. If I want the item badly enough, I'll get it--no
"auction fever".
There are some categories where sniping seems to be the rule more than
exception and others where the reverse is true.
Cheers,
Chuck
I know of an instance where about $10K was held up by PayPal because of
a dispute that eventually headed to court. I've never had any problems
with PayPal, but I am very careful and distrustful of the "service". I
rather doubt that how the funds were transferred has any relevance.
> From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com>
>
> In article <43FCE97A.10303 at oldskool.org>,
> Jim Leonard <trixter at oldskool.org> writes:
>
> > Seconded. ebay and paypal exist for the buyer, not the seller.
> > [...]
>
> Is this why there are some sellers on ebay that are absolutely hostile
> to anything paypal? I even had one seller that would only accept
> paypal coupled to a bank account, not a credit card (although how they
> could tell I don't know).
>From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
---snip---
>
>The trickier links exploit the more oddball features of browser addresses.
> Some older versions of IE, for example will swallow things like
>http://www.ebay.com at 1113982819/ (which actually references google).
>Sufficiently obscure to fool the casual user.
>
>Cheers,
>Chuck
>
Hi
I receive at least 2 or 3 phishing emails a day.
The best defense is to alway log on separately to
the acount ( ebay, bank, credit card or what ever ).
Never and I mean NEVER!!! use a link from an email to
access a password account.
If it looks like something from ebay, it will be there
in your account on ebay. That is the way to look for it
and not by some pointer in an email.
Dwight
I am VERY VERY JEALOUS! I really wanted one myself but could never find
one :-(
So, I decided to rig my own using off the shelf transputer TRAMS...
The blue book should tell you what the commands are (again on my
website). Did you download the latest version of Helios? Also, the
set of commands can be found by looking at:
http://web.archive.org/web/19970725072307/www.perihelion.co.uk/helios/he
lp/General/RebootingHelios.html
You should be able to terminate the system from the server that is
running...
Ram
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
> [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dave Dunfield
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:58 PM
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: RE: Anyone with an ATW800 (Transputer workstation)?
>
>
> > Forgot to mention that this is basically a problem with the
> host.con
> > file. If you go to the links I provided, it will tell you how to
> > change it to work off of the regular monitor. I suspect it is
> > configured to run X instead. You can use a regular RGB to
> VGA adapter
> > which is what most people do.
>
> Thanks for the helpfull hints.
>
> I "hot wired" an adapter for a DB-15 to a LCD panel which
> does RGB with sync on green, and the system came up perfectly
> (Nice screen full of Atari logos in the startup).
>
> Couldn't find a SHUTDOWN or HALTSYS command ('STOP' produces
> the encouraging message 'So far unimplimented') ... but
> entering ^D to the X-console causes a flurry of disk activity
> terminating with what "could be the sound of a head park"...
> and returns control to the Mega/GEM desktop on the Atari
> monitor - is this the correct procedure to shut down Helios?
>
> Very cool system!
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> --
> dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield
> dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools:
www.dunfield.com
com Collector of vintage computing equipment:
http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html
Nope, it is rather difficult to read prior messages when ClassicCmp is
delivered in digest form :).
> > Current price is $2.00 with about 10 hours to go (22:30 PST right now.)
> > I rather doubt it will stay there :).
> >
>
> You surely didn't read the thread "bogus auction for Altair system on
> eBay" on this mailing list.
>
> vax, 9000
>
I just read an old message about cubix parts you were looking for. Just
wanted to let you know that I have a couple of the little silver boxes known as
the FT I/O MODULE if anyone is interested..
KENNETH DOLEN
_KMD9390 at AOL.COM_ (mailto:KMD9390 at AOL.COM)
1-918-451-7123
1-918-850-1762
BROKEN ARROW, OK.
SCO was not blind to the advantages of having single-binaries across the product line when possible, so most XENIX-386 utilities et al were compiled segmented-286. The easiest way to check is as follows, if you have a Linux machine.
-build a kernel with SYSTEM V/XENIX/Coherent FS available as a module or built-it
-mount the N1 disk (standard SysV FS, bootable), or the image therof
-"file xenix" to see the kernel type. 386 kernels will have '386' in the output of the file command.
beware -- XENIX tends to be very hardware specific, and at least some of the Wyse distros were linked to Wyse HW. You may or may not be able to get it to install. The 2.3 series seems to be more forgiving than the 2.2 series, though. Remember that you will need a serial/activation code to get it installed and to get the devel environment working.
Does anyone here know how the XENIX 'brand' setup works? it somehow modifies the binaries, but I don't have the devel environment or a disassembler so I don't know how.
I have a zeneth monitor model #cv2562 with a 15pin RGB female fitting, And I am looking to hook it to my computer.
I am trying to locate a cable, 15pin RGB male to 15pin RGB
male. or A 15pin RGB male to standard computer hook-up.
All the info I can find tells me I need a RGB to VGA but when I look at the picture it does not look right. can you help me out.
Thank You
James Nickal
specklesdad at twcny.rr.com
Hello Friends
Anybody able to rescue some good-looking DEC things in Sydney?
They're being listed as skipped on the 27th Feb.
See Ebay 8769280221
If I wasn't so far away ...
Regards,
Jonathan.
Hello,
Does anyone know of a Sound Blaster compatible *PCI* card that
works under DOS? I have searched Creative Labs website and it looks
like their PCI 64 / 128 sound cards will not work under DOS since there
are no DOS driver available. :(
Thanks,
Bryan
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:52:08 -0600 (CST), JP Hindin
<jplist at kiwigeek.com> wrote:
> Greetings all;
>
> I am trying to help out a friend with a data transfer process to
> simplify
> his business. The goal is to move a couple hundred Megs of data
> from a PC
> to a PDP11.
[...]
Just yesterday, a friend running a 11/45 in his business asked me the
same question. He wishes to move info in both directions.
His problem is that he is running RSTS 6C and he knows of no drivers
for ethernet for that version of OS. Migration to a later version is
out of the question since the OS has been highly modified. He
considered serial and non-DMA parallel ports, but the maximum
transfer rate under non-DMA transfers is about 50kB/sec. Since the
TU10 interface is fairly simple and DMA we have started looking there
for a fast-and-easy route.
Any other suggestions?
CRC
Greetings all;
I am trying to help out a friend with a data transfer process to simplify
his business. The goal is to move a couple hundred Megs of data from a PC
to a PDP11.
Currently he has a DOS box with a Pertec controller, which he uses to copy
data to a 9 track, and then pulls off on the PDP.
This seems... inelegant, I can only assume there is a simpler way.
I'm sure I've seen mention of 'virtual devices' on the list where a PC is
running some software that makes it appear as a storage device to a piece
of vintage hardware, but my Googling is making no headway in finding
anything useful towards this end.
Am I using the wrong terminology? Could someone point me in the right
direction? Any advice?
The machine in question is an 11/34 (An SMS FWT machine, actually), which
has an 8" drive (unsure of it's model, it is built into the cabinet),
Winchester, and a Pertec interfaced 9 track.
Thanks;
JP
At 02:00 PM 2/21/2006, Eric Scharff wrote:
>In a question peripherally related to UCSD pascal, I recently
>discovered "Tiny Pascal."
>I found the articles in the local library, but I noticed that
>the listings are incomplete (especially the p-code to 8080
>translation program is absent)
It was reproduced in full in the 1979 "Byte Book of Pascal."
I have a hardcover copy here.
- John
At 02:08 PM 2/21/2006, David Barto wrote:
>The following link is the UCSD I.5 sources, as distributed by UCSD
>for all to use as they wish. This has been validated and released
>from UCSD. I'm very happy to make this announcement to this group.
http://invent.ucsd.edu/technology/cases/1995-prior/SD1991-807.htm
Amazing news! Wonderful to hear. Who can we thank for this,
both inside and outside UCSD? Was this a consequence of the
anniversary celebration?
I know I tried in 1996 to have the source released or at least
some sort of hobbyist licensing enacted - but to no avail.
What do you know about the provenance of these particular
I.4 and I.5 sources that have been released?
- John
>From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk
>
>>
>> Tony Duell wrote:
>> >> All is not lost: I got my 6-yr-old to sit down and play Rocky's Boots=20
>> >
>> > I don't think I'ev ever heard of that, what is it?
>>
>> Oh my, you've never heard of it? Here:
>>
>> http://www.warrenrobinett.com/rockysboots/
>
>OK, I'll take a look.
>
>> > At about that age, I built my first radio receiver (nothing original, I
>> > just followed the instructions in the book...), and I suspect I'd made at
>> > least one relay from either Meccano or Fischer Trchnik...
>>
>> Yes, well, not every 6-yr-old boy has your kind of aptitude. We can't
>> all be Tony Duell :-)
>
>Considering the number of things I am totally _useless_ at, this is a
>very good thing IMHO....
>
>-tony
Hi Tony
I know what you mean. I disassembled the toaster
and cleaned the clock mechanism when I was 5 and a half
but I still need a spell checker to write simple email.
Dwight
Fascinating project, and it looks like your thrust is youth education.
Looking at the PDF of "Computer Demolition", this quote really caught my
eye:
?Will American kids be Inventors in 10 years, or just operate appliances
designed elsewhere?? and, by the way, ?Whatever happened to the Kid who
took Alarm Clocks apart to discover how they worked??
Part of the answer to your quote is that those people are right here :)!
> Since you seem to be the ones who "didn't throw that stuff away", like me :-)
>
> Thought you might like to look at this:
>
> P.R.CRANE is a Computer Demolition Project that creates a PC-Controlled
> Robot Crane.
>
> You can control the crane manually with the arrow keys, have it learn a
> series of steps, and create and edit a robot control program. P.R.CRANE is
> made from an old IBM 5152 Graphics Printer, plus about $25 of parts
> available at the hardware store and Radio Shack
>
> You can find this at www.terryking.us (Hit the PARPORT button), and then
> PRCrane is a one-liner near the top.
>
> Somehow I think you'd also have an old DOS machine to run this... If not,
> there are ways to force
> XP to let go of it's IO-Priviledge compulsion...
>
> Let me know if you get one of these running... I have some photos of kids
> running these a few years ago.
>
> Also: Anyone have an old XT that you want to know what to do with??? I have
> an idea.
>
> Regards, Terry King ...On The Mediterranean in Carthage
> terry at terryking.us
Hi all,
I need to search through all the 1982 issues of Byte for a specific article
co-authored by Dave Winer.
I don't know the article title of the issue number. All I know is that the
article included one of the earliest references to a "laptop" computer,
according to Dave himself.
The archives on Byte.com only go back to 1994. Does anyone know if the
older issues are scanned anyplace? Or if anyone has the issues, would you
help me out by doing a quick flip-through for the article in question?
(Mike N., perhaps you have them?)
Much thanks,
- Evan
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I have a Perq 2 which will not boot from it's hard drive. I don't know
which OS is installed on it either. If I send out some floppies can
anyone copy a boot/maintenance disk for POS and MPOS
Thanks
Dan
Hi all,
I've just been asked by the owner of this to ask around to see if anyone wants
to give it a good home:
Superplus IV machine from 1982 (integrated screen, separate keyboard)
Daisywheel printer + hood
13 AES printwheels and 7 AES Ribbons
Original AES Operator Instruction Manual and Software Manual (both A4
ringbound)
7 Master and 3 working system/software discs .
30 AES Brand and 10 RPS Brand blank disks, formatted for AES and still
shrink wrapped.
AES disk box.
The owner's tested the machine and it all seems to be working.
Unfortunately we've got enough machines of this sort of class at the museum -
it sounds like a nice box though, so hopefully someone can give it a good home!
Contact Madeleine Melling at: mlamelling at gmail.com
cheers,
Jules
> > I don't understand how a receptacle can trip a circuit breaker. At
> worst,
> > it would seem that it would fail to make contact or have high
resistance
> > contacts.
>
> Well, if the insulation carbonised and became slightly conductive, it
> could pass enough leakage current to trip an RCD/RCCB/ELCB/whatever
it's
> called thise week.
>
> I once witnessed a metalclad socket outlet fail in the UK. Apparently,
> repeated unplging of high-power devices without turning off the
built-in
> switch (UK socket outlets often contain a double-pole switch) had
either
> depostied enough metal on the insulator to become conductive, or had
> carbonised the insulator. Anyway, the resulting failure caused a
> spectacular arc that lasted for several minutes.
I've seen many (240V) plugs, sockets and lighting fixtures fail
similarly, in several cases becoming conductive enough to blow the
circuit fuse, considerably more difficult than unbalancing a leakage
trip. It's not at all uncommon in damp environments and another cause
(though uncommon nowadays) is where an old-fashioned piece of fuse-wire
has previously vapourised to produce a slightly conductive film.
Bob Adamson
not mine, see below..
From: Bob Roehrig <broehrig at aurora.edu>
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: GB> Teletype manuals.
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:04:23 -0600 (CST)
From: Bob Roehrig <broehrig at aurora.edu>
To: glowbugs <glowbugs at piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>, Boatanchors
<boatanchors at theporch.com>
Cleaning out and downsizing, I have over a dozen original Teletype manuals
for model 28 equipment. They are adjustments, operation, parts, for typing
units, keyboards, stunt boxes, TD's, reperf, etc. Free to anyone that
wants them but shipping won't be cheap. All or none - I am not going to
pick and choose.
Bob Roehrig
Aurora University Telecom dept.
broehrig at aurora.edu
K9EUI W9ZGP WC2XSR/11 WD2XSH/19
630-844-4898 fax 630-844-4222
"Nostalgia is a thing of the past"
> What is the danger related to storing CC gear in extreme cold
> temperatures?
One thing to keep in mind is that some liquid crystal displays will be
permanently damaged by freezing. Others will stop working, usually
turning completely opaque or completely transparent, but will recover
when they warm up.
Lee.
the 8088 can support 64k ports, so logically the lower
16 address lines would be utilized to address them.
A16-19 were multiplexed with other pin functions. IIRC
the pc only allows for 256. Probably a good book on
the topic is Interfacing to the IBM PC by Eggebrecht
(Sams). Dont rely on that being the exact title or the
way the authors name is spelled. Chances are its
available on Amazonia for a song.
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Hi,
My name is Francisco T?boas. I read that you have the operator manual for a
solartron 7150 multimeter.
Im very interested on having a copy of it. Do you know where I can find it?
Ade Vickers wrote:
> Currently, Egg are running a series of amusing UK comercials featuring a
> bunch of gerbils - some of whom are having financial problems.
>
> In order to help them out, Egg "give" the gerbils a computer(!) - which is
> clearly a stylised CBM Pet, albeit with the incongruous addition of a large
> trackball. Egg do, conversely, stick faithfully to the green-on-black
> display, even if their gerbil-scale Pet seems to exhibit better graphics
> resolution than the prototype...
>
> Cheers!
> Ade.
>
>
http://www.visit4info.com/moredetails.cfm?adnum=29668http://www.visit4info.com/moredetails.cfm?adnum=28418
has the ads... FYI - they are guinea pigs! :)
Cheers,
Bryan
>I don't understand how a receptacle can trip a circuit breaker. At worst,
>it would seem that it would fail to make contact or have high resistance
>contacts.
I don't understand the etiology of the problem myself, but that is what we heard back after the district sent in several electricians. Several possibilities: breakdown of insulation or impurities in insulation, mechanical failure due to stressed parts, or transmission error (district says: shoddy wiring, [they even used the] cheap plugs - the part in brackets gets dropped out, etc.)
Anyway, there is a very noticeable difference between the cheapie wiring supplies and the nicer "commercial grade" stuff, similar to the difference between a modern cheap PeeCee and a real computer.
Hi Guys,
Since you seem to be the ones who "didn't throw that stuff away", like me :-)
Thought you might like to look at this:
P.R.CRANE is a Computer Demolition Project that creates a PC-Controlled
Robot Crane.
You can control the crane manually with the arrow keys, have it learn a
series of steps, and create and edit a robot control program. P.R.CRANE is
made from an old IBM 5152 Graphics Printer, plus about $25 of parts
available at the hardware store and Radio Shack
You can find this at www.terryking.us (Hit the PARPORT button), and then
PRCrane is a one-liner near the top.
Somehow I think you'd also have an old DOS machine to run this... If not,
there are ways to force
XP to let go of it's IO-Priviledge compulsion...
Let me know if you get one of these running... I have some photos of kids
running these a few years ago.
Also: Anyone have an old XT that you want to know what to do with??? I have
an idea.
Regards, Terry King ...On The Mediterranean in Carthage
terry at terryking.us
Regards, Terry King ...On The Mediterranean in Carthage, Tunisia
terry at terryking.us
I'm looking to buy a Kyocera "Keytronics 85". This was the base model for
the Tandy Model 100 / Olivetta Model 10 / NEC PC-8201 portables from 1983.
I have the Tandy Model 100 but would prefer the Kyocera if anyone prefers to
trade.
Contact me OFF-LIST please. :)
-----------------------------------------
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Computer Collector Newsletter:
>> http://news.computercollector.com
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>> http://www.marchclub.org
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midatlanticretro/
FYI
>Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:02:32 -0500
>From: ROBERT KRYL <r.kryl at worldnet.att.net>
>Subject: Commodore 64 free to a good home
>To: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com
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>
>Hello, Joe,
>
>We are moving from Delray Beach to Minnesota, and we must find a good home
>for a much loved Commodore 64 that has (I am told) virtually all the
>programs available, monitor, cpu---the works.
>
>We move next weekend, and finally my guy has agreed to leave it in Florida
>(between us we have three others!)
>
>If interested, pleas let me know asap! If you know someone else who is,
>please pass the word quickly! Thank you.
>
>Cherie cboen at charter.cnet
>
>They are--probably around $5 in single-unit quantities. I use one on my
>automatic dishwasher.
>
>It's the hospital-grade receptacles and plugs that are dear here. Aside
>from an additional endorsement and a different color, I don't know if they
>differ much from the ordinary consumer grade stuff.
>
>Cheers,
>Chuck
For anything except the most basic use, get the commercial grade. We had big problems at the computer lab at my school because the original electrician used the cheap receptacles, and they started tripping the breakers last year . . .
I think most of the plugs you can get are pretty well made, though. Expect to spend about $7-$10 for a grounding plug with screw terminals.
I tried to add the TU58 emulation (of Will Kranz) to my 11/34, but
it does not work. Here is what I have done so far.
I added an SLU/RTC (M7856) in the 11/34, and while I worked that out,
I added a M7856 page to my website. The intention is to use the added
DL11-W for a connection to the TU58 emulation on a (DOS) PC.
I configured the DL11-W to CSR 776500 and the vector to 300, for DD:.
LTC is disabled, as this is the second DL11-W in the system.
The first DL11-W is the system console port.
The serial TX and RX channel are set to 9600,N,8,1.
When I boot RT11 and enter .SH DEV the output shows that the DD driver
is installed and sitting at 776500, with vectors 300 and 304. When the
DL11-W is not installed in the system, RT11 reports DD not installed.
Next, I made a cable to connect the DL11-W to the serial port of the PC.
To check the cable between the PC and the M7856, I started Win98 and
used a terminal program. When I enter a character in the terminal app,
I can read that character in the RBUF (776502). When I deposit a value
in XBUF (776506), I see that character in the receive window of the
terminal application.
So, the cable is fine. BTW, I use only 3 wires: RxD, TxD, and Gnd ...
I boot the PC to DOS, actually Win98 command prompt, not to Win98 itself
and then starting a DOS box.
Then I run TU58.EXE, for example "TU58 -cTST58.TAP". TU58 seems happy,
it takes a second (to format the new "tape") and then reports to be
"waiting for a BREAK, or enter Escape to continue".
So, I enter ESC.
Now the TU58 emulation says that it is waiting for packets ...
I have RT11 running on the /34. Then I enter on the PDP-11 console
.DIR DD0:
Nothing happens, no output appears on the TU58 emulation on the PC.
RT11 seems to hang, at least when I enter text on the PDP-11 console,
that text is echoed on the VT102, but that's all!
Entering control-C prints ^C, but does not return me to the . prompt.
BTW, the TU58.INI file has these lines:
port 0
baud 9600,N,8,1
That means that I am not using interrupts (on the PC), but polling.
I assume that when you enter .DIR DD0: on the PDP-11 console, the TU58
emulation should at least print a "received packets", but nothing is
happening. BTW, I also tried with an "irq 4" line in the tu58.ini file,
but that gives the same results.
I have the feeling that I am overlooking something obvious, or doing
something stupid. Should there be some data (receiving packets from
the PDP-11) appearing in the TU58 emulation screen?
thanks,
- Henk, PA8PDP.
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> There's a 27C256 on it and a 20 MHz XCO and some assorted glue.
> The largest package is a Mitsubishi MN8601ME1, 64 pin "shrink DIP".
> Next to it is a MN8611A 42 pin "shrink DIP" and a QFP MN51040MGU,
> which I believe is a gate array.
> Does anyone have a clue as to what the heck this is?
Some Mitsubishi MCUs have 65C02 cores in them, do you have a dump of
the EPROM yet? The contents of that are probably your best clue.
Lee.
Got some misc. stuff to get rid of:
got a box full of old ISA etherepress boards, 10BT w/ BNC for Thinnet
(quite a few),
plus some random ISA and VESA video boards (not a lot), oh yeah, and various
MFM disk controllers (ISA bus - WD1007, etc).
Also have two AMI EISA 486 motherboards, and some EISA boards,
adaptec2742 SCSI,
EISA 10BT ethernet... if anyone still plays w/ EISA, all yours
(motherboards w/ memory).
Also, if anyone has any projects where you might need Pentium 133/166
chips (and 386/486's as well), I have a bunch of them (just the chips),
a big bag of 1MB 30-pin SIMMs, 4116 & 4164 RAM chips (probably a couple
hundred of each), 2716/32/64 EPROMs...
Anyone wants some, I certainly will never use all of them that I've got.
I know it can be done, I'm just not sure how. I have an adaptec 1542B
controller that I'm using the floppy controller on.
It current has two options for the floppy controller: 3F0-3F7h or 370-377h
3F0 (001111110000) is with J8/1 open
370 (001101110000) is with J8/1 closed
I'd like to re-address this to something else, like 320 or 330 or even the
LPT or serial port addresses. Now, how the heck would I go about this? I'm
pretty good with a soldering iron, and I know how to count.
Being a bit of an ISA bus neophyte, are these addresses selected by the
"Data" lines of the ISA connector (D0-D7), or what exactly is being read?
The 1542 uses a DP8473 floppy Disk Controller, nad I have the datasheet for
that.
Thanks,
Kelly
>From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk
>
>> My unit has a BNC type connector (think that's what it's called) on it. Mos=
>> t
>> composite monitors take RCA cables. Should I be able to find the right cabl=
>
>Well, most decent composite monitors have BNC inputs, but anyway. Most
>of the cheaper composite monitors have RCA phono sockets
>
>> e
>> off-the-shelf?
>
>It's a standard cable in the UK, it was often used to link a BBC micro
>(which also has a BNC socket for the composite output) to a cheap
>monitor. I bought one from Maplin a couple of weeks back.
>
>No idea if you can get them in the States. I think Maplin will ship
>worldwide, but their postage charges are not that low.
>
>-tony
Hi
I've made a couple of these from cable, both starting from
RCA on both ends and BNC on both ends. Get the connector
you need from RS or other supply and make the cable. It
only takes a few minutes and doesn't require special
skills, other than using a soldering iron.
One can get adapters as well. Allied has a part #202-0835
that is RCA jack to BNC plug. They're only $2.63 but
I think they have a minimum purchase. ( BOMAR part# R0843 )
Dwight
Dwight
All are photocopies except as noted:
User manual for Carousel 310 and Carousel 350 printer
Perkin-Elmer, 1978 (photocopy)
Operation and Service Manual for VA3415C/D/V 1200bps
Modem
Vadic, 1977
Installation Instructions, VA3400 Series Modem
includes theory of operation and calibration
Vadic, 1975
Shintron Model 520 Ecricon(R) Graphic Data Tablet
Instruction Manual
Shintron Company, Inc., 1972
(original document)
Technical Manual, Model 306 Printer
Centronics Data Computer Corp., 1981
(original document)
Model 6080 Printer Operators Manual, Rev. A
Centronics Data Computer Corp., 1982
(original document)
Operators Manual, Series 100 Printers
Centronics Data Computer Corp., 1973
Revision Identification Guide for the Model 101
and 101A Printer
Centronics Data Computer Corp., 1973
Maintenance and Field Change Bulletin for Centronics
Model 101/101A Printers
DEC-FS-HPTRA-A-D
Digital Equipment Corporation (Centronics reprint)
Partial copy of GE Terminet 300 maintenance manual
Many Terminet Service Advice notices
(mid 70's)
Micro-Ferrups Uninterruptible Power Systems User
Manual
Best Power, 1993
(original document)
I ran across a small (3'x4") PCB with what looks like an MPU on it. The
part numbers for the most mean nothing to me. There's a 27C256 on it and a
20 MHz XCO and some assorted glue.
The largest package is a Mitsubishi MN8601ME1, 64 pin "shrink DIP". Next
to it is a MN8611A 42 pin "shrink DIP" and a QFP MN51040MGU, which I
believe is a gate array.
Does anyone have a clue as to what the heck this is?
Cheers,
Chuck
I tried several types of pins and found the 22-gage wire works well. I get
the wire from capacitor leads. Some capacitors have steel leads, these make
excellent pins. (The leads can be picked up with a magnet.) You can still
use the capacitor after you trim the leads.
I wrote up how to do this for a ROM replacement for the SWTPC 6800. Look in
the Users Guide for the step by step process.
http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/ROM_Emulator/ROM_Index.htm
J.C. Wren's find of the DigiKey ED2064-ND looks good.
Michael Holley
> Any idea if this would effect the original Game Boy's?
> I don't know what it is about them, but I had two of them that
> lost lines on the display after they sat unused for a year or two.
Unlikely, temperature damage tends to affect the whole display, either
uniformly or graduated from the area that was frozen or heated. Lost
lines are usually due to the connection to the conductors on the
glass becomming detached. This can often be repaired just by bending
the tabs on the back of the LCD fram a little.
Lee.
I just picked up a couple of KDF11-BA CPU modules. For some reason, I
thought I remembered that the 11/23+ could boot an MFM drive (ST225)
attached to an RQDX3 controller but it doesn't look like that from
the description of the boot options on the M8189 module. Is there an
alternate boot ROM that can be installed or am I just out of luck?