- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by technobug＠comcast.net

On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:44:24 -0500, "Ram Meenakshisundaram" <RMeenaks at olf.com> wrote: > How early?? I am specifically looking for any TI C40 and Motorola > 9600 DSP stuff... > > Cheers, > > Ram [...] >> From: "9000 VAX" <vax9000 at gmail.com> >> >> I am wondering whether any member of this mailing list is >> interested in >> early DSP chips? > > Hi > I have a developement sdk for the Intel 2920 chip. > I've played with it a little. > Dwight I'm presently attempting to play with a Loughborough Sound Images PCI/ C44S board that has 4 'C44s on it. If my old employer falls into the season's hype^H^H^H^Hspirit I might be be gifted with the TI compiler and a distributed OS. I programmed a system with 17 'C40s a while back and do like the beast. However, I'm still looking for info on this particular board - any info would be appreciated. Recently came across my original 'C20 development kit and lit it up for giggles and grins :=)) CRC

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ASR 33 repair tips sought.

by jos.mar＠bluewin.ch

After shelving the silly idea of converting my machine to 220V ( you guys were right, my "native 220V" machine has a big transformer on the righthand side of the typing unit, and a 115 V motor... ) I still needed to get them running. My latest ASR 33 comes out quite nicely after a removal of dried grease and reoiling and seems to be fully functional, just drops a bit from time to time when using the keyboard. (i.e. LSB missing )I hope a cleaning of the keyboard contacts wil take care of that . My second, older machine however has more severe malfuntioning : it drops bits every second character, and often generates extra characters, @ being a favorite. I assume the error is inside the keyboard, as both units type ascii text >from a papertape without a hitch. But what failure mode would cause extra characters from the keyboard ? Jos

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History of EDA (electronic design automation)?

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> I've seen two systems (not pure software, but integrated systems) > that really blew me away years ago. My memories of both are very > fuzzy. One was an ECAD workstation called Daisy; it was a schematic > capture system and may have done other things as well. It was > gorgeous but I didn't see much of its capabilities. I saw this > around 1985 or thereabouts. Daisy was one of the first ECAD workstations. Started out as 8086 Multibus up through 386. I never saw the earliest version of the OS. The later ones were unix-like. Last versions were Intel 386 PC based. Apple used them before switching to Valid or Mentor, depending on the project. I saw parts of a Calay at a surplus place in the mid 90's. There was also Racal/Redac PCB layout systems. I think I still have the packs from one of these. It ran RSX11 on an SMS disc controller. Most of the small stand-alone systems disappeared once IBM PC ECAD systems developed. There were one or two companies selling CAD tools into the Macintosh market, but they were pretty awful. There was one system that was popular for schematic capture on Macs that was used internally at Apple up through the late 90s. DEC used a schematic capture system from Stanford through the 70's and early 80's (SUDS, Stanford University Drawing System). The MIT CADR was designed using this as well.

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History of EDA (electronic design automation)?

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

Are you asking only about chip design software, or are you including circuit design software? IBM had proprietary schematic editing, automated layout, automated manufacturing, etc in the early 1960's if not earlier. Simulation too if I remember correctly. The schematics were printed on line printers and were (are) called Automated Logic Diagrams (ALD). See e.g. http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rd/082/ibmrd0802F.pdf http://ed-thelen.org/1401Project/ALDs-fromAustralia.html There is more detail in http://bitsavers.trailing- edge.com/pdf/ibm/logic Data entry was originally text based. When the 2250 graphic display unit became available around 1967, IBM moved from text-based ALD editing to graphical. See e.g. http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=805397 It would be pretty wonderful if all of THAT code was still around. Could run it under simulation. Brian

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History of EDA (electronic design automation)?

by aek＠bitsavers.org

>> Have you seen the prices of just a single seat of that kind of >> software? > > Yes, but I hadn't thought about licensing, that's a good point. > > I wonder if these companies even keep around a piece of their history > or if its lost forever? Look at the company you work for. Does E&S have copies of everything that they have produced? The rest of the world is no different. Once a product is no longer a source of revenue, it is disposed of. If it is archived, the chances of anyone getting access to it outside the company is vanishingly small.

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RK05 images

by ggs＠shiresoft.com

I've imaged the first of (many) RK05 packs. Here's what I've done so far (these were done first because they were either cleaned or because they were still sealed in the *original* DEC shipping boxes): * PDP-11 F-77/RSX V4.0 (DEC Distribution media) * RMS-11 V1.8/RSX-11M V3.2 (DEC Distribution media) * RSX-11M V3.2 AUTOPATCH 1/2 (DEC Distribution media) * RSX-11M V3.2 AUTOPATCH 2/2 (DEC Distribution media) * RT11 V4.0 MUBASIC V2 (handwritten label) * XXDP RKDP PKG #1 (handwritten label) I'll be putting these up on my website in the next few days (the images will have been gzip'd to save space and reduce bandwidth). To wet your appetites, here are some of the other "high" value packs (these are all DEC Distribution media unless otherwise noted): * EDU-DECAL (DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CA1 AUTHOR LANGUAGE SYSTEM) * RSTS V6C RK System 1 of 3 (handwritten) * RMS-11K/RSX-11M V1.5 * DECNET-11M/S V3.1 1/2 * XXDP Diags RKDP PKG #2 (handwritten) * CVZZDU0 LSI-11 DKDP+ DIAG PKG * DECNET-11M/S V3.1 2/2 * RSX-11M AUTO-PATCH REV-D * RSX11S V2.1 * CTS-300/DIS V1 * SORT-11 V01 * XXDP RKDP DIAG PKG 1 * XXDP RKDP DIAG PKG 2 * XXDP RKDP DIAG PKG 3 * F4/IAS-RSX V2.2 * DECNET-11M/S V2.0 1/2 * RSX11M V3.1 MCRSRC * RSX11M V3.1 FCPDMP * MUMPS V04 (handwritten) * F4-PLUS/RSX V3.0 * DIBOL-11 SOURCE RELEASE 4 (Typed label) * RSX-11M V3.2 EXC SRC BIN * COBOL/RSX11M/IAS V4 * COBOL/RSX11M/IAS V3.1 BIN * DECNET-11M/S V3.1 NET 1/2 I have to clean each of these packs before I image them since they weren't kept in the original shipping boxes. I also have 170+ additional packs that have all handwritten labels, but weren't as interesting as what I've already listed. Cleaning a pack takes about 20 minutes (including disassembly and reassembly) so don't expect these to be done quickly. Except for the two packs that I've cleaned myself (above), I'm not sure if the contents of the packs match what the labels indicate. I've also discovered that DEC distribution packs (at least the ones I've read so far) only format the first 202 cylinders (vs a max of 203 cylinders). -- TTFN - Guy

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Need any "old" tape media?

by pat＠computer-refuge.org

I've got a stack of 8mm (doesn't mention a size, a mix of Verbatim data tapes, and Sony and Fuji video tapes), 4mm DDS1 (both 60M and 90M), and DLT3 tapes at work which we're getting set to throw away... the DDS/8mm tapes have some data on them, and will be degaussed... the DLT3's are unused, from several years ago. Asking $2/tape plus shipping. I've got 50-100 of each available. If I don't hear anything by mid next week, they'll be thrown in the trash. Also, if anyone needs DLT or LTO tape cases (or 8mm or 4mm, assuming the tapes aren't sold), let me know. We've got a bunch of empty cases that are going in the trash for those as well. Pat -- Purdue University Research Computing --- http://www.rcac.purdue.edu/ The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org

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Q-Bus Codar Clock

by HrTchDmoor＠aol.com

Do you have any of these clock modules available for sell, P/N: ASM-951-1200? Her-Tech Solutions, Inc Donna Moore/ President 760-730-1499 ext: 111 donna at htsolutions.org

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BASF 6114 disk drive

by cc＠corti-net.de

Hello, I have one of those "washing machine" disk drive which uses media with 11 platters in nearly mint condition (heads are locked, test protocol from the manufacturer is included). I think that this is a rebaged CDC or Memorex drive. I'd like to use this drive and therefore need any kind of manual for the BASF 6114. My idea is to check out the drive and disk packs and then let some students build an interface that connects this drive to a SCSI bus ;-)) Christian

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History of EDA (electronic design automation)?

by kossow＠computerhistory.org

> We have the chips produced from earlier eras, but what attempts have > been made to preserve the design tools from those earlier eras? This is the same problem I've run into with minicomputer/mainframe software. No one thought it was important to save this, or if they did I've not been able to find anyone willing to release it. Some of the circuit design stuff (like ECAP) is around. I have some of the early Berkeley CAD tools tapes, and a few versions of Spice. Livermore/Stanford's SCALD system (which morphed into the SCALD product from Valid) is public domain, but I can't find anyone who saved a copy. I don't know of anyone who saved a complete Daisy Logician, or a Valid Logic SCALDstation (w software), or the VTI CAD tools (written in MAINSAIL). You'll also find this stuff was tightly licensed in the workstation world, since the price per seat was (is) so high.

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Meshna

by rvc1954＠comcast.net

Hello there! I remember Meshna's quite well. Right across from Flax Pond, near the old Coke Plant. I grew up in Lynn near Union Hospital, and went to the old Lynn Trade school in 1969 - 1972 for electronics. I actually walked the 3 miles from my house to Meshna's at least once per week in those years. Tons of big transformers, vacuum tubes, power supplies, O-scopes, and a lot of World War 2 Army stuff thrown in for good measure. I remember the big plastic bags of capacitors, resistors or even radio crystals for 1 dollar. Jeesh, now that I think of it, those are damn good memories!! When I walked up those wooden stairs onto the back long porch and went inside, I remember the place had a particular odor of old wood which I really liked for some reason. Just one of those things I guess! Sorry to hear that time has won the race again, but that will never stop, and some things I will never forget! Rick Caprarella

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Emulex SC02/C utilities amd diagnostics

by hachti＠hachti.de

Hi again, the Emulex SC02/C controller seems to be able to boot my DU device (as docs tell, my MSCP SCSI thing is EMulex too). That would be cool. Will try it out in the evening. What about the Emulex original diagnostics and tools (pack formatter etc) for the controller? Does anyone have that? Would be very good to have the tools. Don't know where to get them. Regards, Philipp :-) -- http://www.hachti.de

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Fwd: Apple ASCII keyboard wanted

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Following was spotted on the mn.general group; I figured that someone here might have an answer! cheers J. ==fwd== Subject: Looking for vintage keyboard From: Paul Czywczynski <paul at cbico.com> Newsgroups: mn.general Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 02:16:21 +0000 (UTC) I am looking for a couple of vintage Apple I or II ASCII keyboards. Does anyone know of any sources, local or Internet based? thanks... -Paul

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KDF11-BA boot with RK06 emulation

by hachti＠hachti.de

Hi folks, I have found the Motorola 68764 EPROM to make new boot ROMs for my PDP11/23+. Everybody seems to discuss the use of KDF11-B3, KDF11-BG etc. and MSCP devices. But what avout RK06/07? In my system I have an Emulex SMD controller which emulates RK06 (with other disks also RK07) drives, an RX02 and a SCSI controller doing the DU MSCP thing. Everything works fine. Only booting is problematic. I have to choose what I want to do by configuring my cards: * For DU, I have to enable auto boot on controller and CPU, nasty thing. Makes booting SCSI possible - but only that. * For RK (DM), I have to use the controller's ROM and to disable the LTC on the CPU. Don't know if there's a line clock on the controller or how to enable it. In that configuration I can boot DM and DY - but no DU * With original PROM I can only boot DY on my system. I want an original PROM image which does all the three. Does that exist? If yes, please let me know. It would be very nice to have a machine with the possibility to choose between all available boot devices on start up. With the nice BOOT> prompt etc. Thank you very much, Philipp :-) -- http://www.hachti.de

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Mouse systems M4 Optical Mouse

by teoz＠neo.rr.com

I have a Mouse Systems M4 model optical mouse that came with my Amiga 3000 but does not have the special mousepad needed for it, any way to fake one of those pads? The only other available mouse I have is for the A1000 and has an angled connector that won't fit unless I jack the A3000 case up a few inches. How well did the M4s work anyway? I did plug it in to my machine and the buttons seem to work but I could not find a printed patterrn that would make the cursor do anything but barely move (The red LED does light up). I tend to like optical mice so this would be cool to have functioning.

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PDP-11/70 Panel brought back to life

by elf＠ucsd.edu

> Well, it took a few years, but I finally brought my PDP-11/70 > panel back to life: > http://www.saccade.com/writing/projects/PDP11/PDP-11.html > I'm afraid I don't have the space or power (or noise tolerance!) > to have the real thing around. Has anybody else brought panels > back to life? I'm aware of the Spare Time Gizmos / Ersatz-11 > work, and of course the incredible "Gallery of Old Iron". Any > others? Very nice! I have an 11/70 panel sitting around -- and that looks like an intriguing project to try. I own XDS (SDS) Sigma 9 Panel and brought it back to life. It was quite an undertaking, as the panel consists of about 100 lamps -- and hand wiring all of them took quite a bit of labor. It now blinks -- in some sort of random "computing" fashion -- but is essentially a useless piece of eye-candy when it comes to being a useful computer (after all, I don't have anything else except the programming console). But I must admit, it is a pretty sight watching all those blinkenlights flicker on and off :-) I wired it up basically in tribute to my father for a present -- who was employee #9 (or maybe #10) at SDS way back in the early 1960s. I also own an SDS 940 programming console -- but I've chosen to leave that untouched (a dead soul, if you will). -Eric P.S. -- I'd post a video of it in action, but I don't own a video camera (I'll have to borrow one). I did take a bunch of snapshots in succession and piece them together -- kind of a kludge -- but you get an idea of what it looks like after watching it. Not nearly as nice if it were a smooth video though. If anyone is interested, and I can get around to it, I'll post a picture or two, and the "piecemeal" video on a website in the (maybe near) future.

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Shelving ideas for 3-high terminals

by legalize＠xmission.com

OK, I'm in a situation that will sound all too familiar. My collecting habits have started to fill my basement. I'm considering building some sturdy shelving that will let me stack terminals 3 high. Well, really "two high" at standard bench heigh, leaving room underneath for things like workstations and other floor units that are approximately desk height or less. One of you has probably done something similar, or maybe you know of a pre-fab shelving unit that is up to the task, giving me the option of investing labor or cash. Suggestions? -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>

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FYI: RZ29C (4.8 GB SCSI DEC drives) on ebay for $5 ea.

by legalize＠xmission.com

I've bought from this guy before and been happy with the results. Item #2788787188 -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>

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Targa/TIGA/??? was Re: TMS340x0

by kelly＠catcorner.org

>Chris M > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:28 PM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: Targa/TIGA/??? was Re: TMS340x0 > > > > > I remeber the AT&T TARGA. Output was to a RGB > > monitor. Input via tablet with a puck and a wand. > > They had it running on a Wyse PC/286. I wrote a > > converter to the Amiga IFF and PC GIF, but I can't > > find the source any more. > > to convert .tga to those formats? > Yes. They were pretty much raw RGB data if I recall. > > I worked at the video lab for the County College of > > Morris (in New Jersey) back in 90-92. They also had > > some SGI stuff and some film printers for the PC. > > All networked via ethernet. Pretty advanced for a > > community college. > > But am I correct in asserting that *somehow* this > device could control the individual micro-dots (not > the Berkeley kind LOL LOL) that make up a pixel? Prior > to VGA, and although the ability wasn't altogether > absent from the computer world then, photorealistic > imagery was possible, IIRC, on a stock digital > monitor??? They talked to an analog video monitor in TV or Laser Disc resolutions. The ones we had had two video cards. I think one was a Herc mono compatible for the DOS stuff. I think the one connected to the TGA was analog inputs with seperate sync. Until you activated the TARGA card, the screen was blank. I think in later versions we could load a graphic onto the video card for static display until you loaded the TARGA software. I don't recall the term micro-dots, but everything was anti-aliased. I was the technoid that connected the devices, made them all talk, and cobbled together software for moving the images. I also learned a lot about video production. I think their character cenerators were originally Sony MBC-55s. They then moved to Chimera or something similar. I just remember replacing the ROMs and software on these units all the time for upgrades.

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Dr. Hopper's 100 birthday

by Lee.Courtney＠windriver.com

I was lucky enough to have dinner with her when she visited our student ACM chapter in the mid-1970s. Remember her smoking (several) unfiltered Camels that evening. Great speaker. Told a very funny story about being mistaken for a flight attendant (stewardess in those days) when walking thru the airport in her naval uniform. Lee Courtney Product Line Manager - Linux for Consumer Devices Wind River 500 Wind River Way Alameda, California 94501 Office: 510-749-2763 Cell: 650-704-3934 Yahoo IM: charlesleecourtney > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Brad Parker > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:09 AM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Dr. Hopper's 100 birthday > > > Colin Eby wrote: > >All -- > > > >Saw this blurb on BBC News and thought I'd flag it to the > rest of you. > >9 December was the 100th anniversary of Dr. Grace Hopper's > birthday. > >All hail Mother COBOL: > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6168489.stm > > I saw her speak once, where she handed out "nanoseconds" and > talked with people afterward. It was very memorable. She > was quite inspirational. > > I'll never forget her talking about just doing things rather > than asking for permission, and her (now) famous quote on > that. She had great stories about the military and computing. > > She also (if I remember correctly) had some interesting > anecdotes about drum memory and code timing - I've seen other > people comment on that here. > > -brad >

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multiple cpu machines Re: rogues galleries

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Day late and a dollar short.... As Tony Duell said, DEC Rainbow, 2 CPU's, Z-80 + 8088, possibly count the 7220 graphics processor, so 2 or maybe 3 CPU's. (hangs head in shame) Oh yeah! (head comes back up) AlphaServer 2100, 3 CPU cards ... but all three the same Alpha 4/275 CPU. Sigh. NeXT cube, 68040 + DSP56000 + i860 (on NeXTDimension card) .... ... but then it's not supported to get the i860 to do anything but drive graphics, so that doesn't count - back to 2 CPU's. (head hangs again) oh well. -- Mark Tapley, Dwarf Engineer (I haven't cleared my neighborhood) 210-379-4635 Dwarf Phone, 210-522-6025 Office Phone

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rare Aussie portable "Portapak" on eBay

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1983-Aussie-luggable-Portapak-Z80B-Cpu_W0QQitem… don't mean to push loads of eBay stuff, and believe me I have no relation to the seller. But history is just that, and eBay is often a source of it. Rugged looking little piece of work. Well suited for the Outback LOL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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video monitors available - Evanston, Illinois

by mtapley＠swri.edu

All, At 12:00 -0600 12/10/06, Jack wrote: >I've got about a dozen Sony Trinitron PVM-1380 color video monitors >available. These are dual-channel composite video/mono audio - great for >use with your Apple ][, Atari 800, Commodore 64, etc. Very nice >commercial grade in very good condition. Removed from our school >language lab, so may be "personalized" cosmetically but nothing >objectionable. > >Free for pickup - I will not ship but I can store them through January. >Any remainder will be scrapped in February. > >Located in Evanston, Illinois. > >Jack >847.424.7320 work Sigh. I have a Co-Co 3 and an Apple][. Using TV's so far, better resolution would be nice. I'm in San Antonio, TX, 78254, and will not be able to pick up a monitor. a) Anybody near Evanston planning to talk to Jack about one of these? b) Anybody in category a) willing to pak/n/ship one for me, for 1.2 * packing and shipping cost or similar? c) any idea what shipping will run? I'm guessing order of $40 or so? -- Mark Tapley, Dwarf Engineer (I haven't cleared my neighborhood) 210-379-4635 Dwarf Phone, 210-522-6025 Office Phone

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Cleaning disk packs

by aek＠bitsavers.org

>> Really?! What's that look like? How did you come across one? >> Do you have photos? :-) > >I've seen a few go through ebay. They do show up from time to time and >aren't terribly uncommon. Nor are they particularly useful. They are better at contaminating packs than cleaning them. Visual inspection and cleaning is absolutely essential when working with 20+ year old unknown media.

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OT: Vintage radio opinion

by cclist＠sydex.com

While going through my dustpile, I came across this communications receiver front end: http://www.sydex.com/images/fe.jpg I vaguely remember picking it up in the 60's on Chicago's S. Michigan Ave. "Radio Row" (as boxed new surplus) and that I hooked it up long enough to determine that the IF output is 1600 KHz (or should I say KC?). It's undoubtedly part of some dual-conversion receiver--I suspect something like a Heathkit, but that's just a guess. Tube lineup is 12AT7, 6CS6 and 6BZ6. My question is if this is something worth selling or if I'm likely to lose my 65 cents eBay listing fee. Any additional information from someone who recognizes this would be welcome. Cheers, Chuck

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Cleaning disk packs

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> If you put > "magna-view" on those platters, you could probably read off the > data just using your eyeballs, or maybe a cheap magnifing glass The bit density of an RK05 is 2200 bpi. Know what you are talking about before saying something stupid like this.

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Followup: Hazeltine "Computer"

by cclist＠sydex.com

Well, I finally got around to prowling through the 5.25" floppy archives for the so-called "Hazeltine" computer diskettes. I found 'em--in the last 10 diskettes in the file(!). In the meantime, I ran across all sorts of names of systems not heard recently, such as "Peoples World" and "Pan Asia". The diskettes contain only the legend "Hazeltine CP/M" and date from about 1982 or so. The bad news is that the boot tracks contain a CP/M system image, along with CBIOS, but no clue is given as to the system name. Looking at the directory, there was a disk utility to format and surface copy, but no identification there either. There was also a copy of Spellguard and Wordstar--aha! Wordstar almost always contains the name of at the least the terminal, if not the system. Well, it does--but the terminal listed is an ADDS Viewpoint--and no system named. :( Bottom line is that I have nothing to contribute to the "Hazeltime Computer" legend--and, with the discovery of the ADDS terminal code, don't even know why the customer insisted on calling it a Hazeltine (but he did--I found the letter in my files. So--shrug! My guess is that the "computer, given the date" may have been housed in the same box as the floppy drives.--and that a Hazeltine terminal was connected to it. But I didn't think that a Hazeltine had cotnrol sequences anything like an ADDS Viewpoint. Cheers, Chuck

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TMS340x0 (was: Any early DSP fans?)

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> Does anyone have equipment that utilizes this chip or have an > opportunity to work with them directly? In the PC world, there was the TI TGA card. I've seen them most often in arcade games. Several vendors used them, including a couple of generations of Atari hardware (Hard Drivin', etc.) Apple built an evaluation card for the 340x0 when we were deciding on how to implement accelerated graphics cards. The decision was to use a 29000 processor (the 8*24 GC card).

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Dr. Hopper's 100 birthday

by ceby2＠csc.com

All -- Saw this blurb on BBC News and thought I'd flag it to the rest of you. 9 December was the 100th anniversary of Dr. Grace Hopper's birthday. All hail Mother COBOL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6168489.stm Regards, Colin Eby -- ceby2 at csc.com CSC - EMEA Northern Region - C&SI -Technology Architect -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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PDP-11/70 Panel brought back to life

by pdp11＠saccade.com

Well, it took a few years, but I finally brought my PDP-11/70 panel back to life: http://www.saccade.com/writing/projects/PDP11/PDP-11.html I'm afraid I don't have the space or power (or noise tolerance!) to have the real thing around. Has anybody else brought panels back to life? I'm aware of the Spare Time Gizmos / Ersatz-11 work, and of course the incredible "Gallery of Old Iron". Any others? http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/KY11_Interface.htm http://www.thegalleryofoldiron.com/ Cheers, jp ps - An open thanks to Tom Uban for sending me the schematics - that was a big help.

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Tektronix 4010

by djg＠pdp8.net

>I'm looking for the schematics from the maintenance manual for the >Tektronix 4010. There are the chapters 1 to 6 on pdp8.net but the >important chapter 7 is missing. > Yet another project not completed. I have stuck the raw scans of that section in with the rest at ftp://ftp.pdp8.net/misc/4010/ I will try to clean them up next weekend. I think I found all the files from that section but if not email me and I will find them. Before I forgot about it I was debating on the best way to deal with the foldout pages in that section. The big foldout pages in this manual frequently had two separate drawings. Would people prefer that they be on one big pages like the real manual or on two separate pages so viewing and printing will be easier for people who can't print on the foldout size paper?

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Texas Instruments 960B

by cc＠corti-net.de

Hello, does anybody have bits for the TI 960B (not 960A) minicomputer, e.g. software, schematics etc. ? I'd like to get this system running again. Thanks, Christian

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Stiction

by dm561＠torfree.net

-----------------Original Message: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:36:20 -0500 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> Subject: Re: Stiction <snip> But you mentioned "225"...As in Seagate ST-225? I've never heard of stiction problems with those (I have used quite a few of them, and I currently have a few in DEC machines as RD-31s)...I wasn't aware that they could develop such problems. I will keep an eye on mine! -Dave -- Dave McGuire Cape Coral, FL ---------------Reply: Oops; I also mentioned ST-225s as having stiction problems, but I meant ST-125s and ST-251s; although I've had my share of other problems with ST-225s and 238s, stiction wasn't one of them. mike

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Machine Independent Storage Idea...

by zmerch-cctalk＠30below.com

Rumor has it that 9000 VAX may have mentioned these words: >I don't know how much times a flash memory can be written. It might be OK to >make a bootable device from it. Between 10K and 100K times - IIRC, CompactFlash has virtual sector mapping with load-balancing to attempt to reformat the sectors evenly(ish). Dunno about the others... >My concern is about how to make replacement RL02, RD53 or similar. Flash >memory might not be good for this purpose. Depending on how often the machine is used, it may very well last a long time... but if you're still worried: MRAM. The older 5V stuff has writes into the millions, IIRC, and some new 3.3V stuff is listed as "nearly unlimited" - you can interpret that as you wish... ;-) Freescale (read: ustabeen-Moto) didn't list a maximum write life in their datasheet for the 4Mbit part they sell. Not the cheapest, but it's not outside of "affordability" IMHO. Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger | "Profile, don't speculate." SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers | Daniel J. Bernstein zmerch at 30below.com |

19 years, 9 months

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TMS340x0 (was: Any early DSP fans?)

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

My old DEC 486 pizza box had a rather large video card w/an 020. Emulated base VGA but thats all, which made it something of a dog. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

19 years, 9 months

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Compaq Portable III problem

by aliensrcooluk＠yahoo.co.uk

--- Adrian Graham <witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk> wr ote: > Andrew, > > On 10/12/06 22:50, "aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk" > <aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > Someone I know just got his hands on a > > Compaq Portable III. Read the 3 emails below, > > which are in order. > > Who is this 'scuzz'? Based on your previous emails > he/she seems to be intent > on picking up anything he can proceed to complain > about in some form or > other? Also, why isn't he on this list? > It's nothing like that at all. He has spent the last decade collecting lots of retro computer equipment. Originally starting with Amiga's his collection has grown to emmense proportions and currently includes Spectrums, Amstrads, MSX's and loads of other stuff (including books & manuals). His website is: http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com As to why he isn't on this list himself? I can't answer that. He is aware of this list and of the site. Perhaps it's because he gets too many emails from other lists/groups. I do know he sometimes works long hours and such. Personally I myself can only deal with 100-200 emails a day. Any more than that and old mail gets left until I have got my email account down enough to rediscover old unread mail. He certainly isn't a bad person at all, he has helped me out in the past with amiga software and (colour) photocopying magazine pages for me. He does dislike Microsoft and Windows though.. especially modern Windows OS's which are constantly updating and sending unknown info via the web. However, that's getting off-topic. Regards, Andrew B aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk

19 years, 9 months

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Compaq Portable III problem

by aliensrcooluk＠yahoo.co.uk

Hi, Someone I know just got his hands on a Compaq Portable III. Read the 3 emails below, which are in order. Anyone got any ideas what might have gone? Regards, Andrew B aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk Hi Now here is the thing... It gave out a massive electronic bang when I switched it on. Something definitely blew.. But it wasn`t the main computer, cus up popped the orange screen with IBM on it, the hard drive is working, the floppy drive is working as is the keyboard... I can even run the programs on it.. The crack came from by the switch.. Slight burning smell, but gone now. And is working fine. This baby has travelled a long way these two days... I guess not very happy. I can`t get over the build quality.... scuzz ---------------------------------- Interesting this.... [ quote ] Nancy Hackett's bad experience: Oh, did this machine have problems! I went through four of those nifty plasma monitors, several hard drives, two factory rebuilds, and an uncounted number of motherboards trying to track down internal error codes that Compaq said didn't exist! It came (not so) lovingly to be known as "The Compaq from Hell" with the motherboard rumored to be numbered "666". Both the maintenance manager's and the Compaq regional rep's hands would sweat every time I lugged it in. The spectacular finale was when the power supply blew, shooting blue flames 18" out the side! LOL! That was an experience! [ end quote ] Not quite the flames as described... scuzz ------------------------- Andrew > That doesn't sound too good. It may still > work for now, but if something did go then > it's likely to be putting a strain on other > components depending on what went. > It looks cool though ;) Well spotted. The thing just flipped out. All I get now is all the indicator lights to power light, caps lock etc flashing at regular intervals. Hopefully not too dificult to trace and fix, subject to there being no replacement parts involved. As I say the screen was working, so too the drives, keyboard and obviously the processor and memory so I am thinking something to do with the power supply.. I had feared the worst... And did switch it off. But I did just check and she fired up but then just stopped... Never mind. scuzz

19 years, 9 months

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ISA nics and DOS TCP/IP

by pechter＠gmail.com

I've also got a big pile of ISA NICS and PCI 10BaseT/Thinnet for shipping cost. I also have FTP software's PC/TCP DOS TCP software if anyone wants the 3 ring binder full of disks. NE2000 clones (10BaseT and Thinnet) WD8013/8212/8003's Intel EtherExpress cards Realtek 8029 3Com 3c509 3Com 3c905 Bill On 12/7/06, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote: > > > Speaking of ISA NICs, I have a boatload if anyone needs some for cost > of shipping. ISA and PCI. > -- > "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download > <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> > > Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/> >

19 years, 9 months

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new DEC printset scans

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

Hi all, I got a new pile of field maintenance print sets ready to be scanned. I checked bitsavers, and did not find the following. Let me know if some of these are already scanned, and which should be scanned first ... Here is the list. MP00809 11/44 system MP01377 11/750F MP01390 750PCS MP01024 KA750 MP01269 FP750 assembly MP00858 L0011 MP01404 L0016 MP01398 M8750 MP01020 H7104-C MP01021 H7104-D MP01022 875 controller MP00063 VSV01 MP00965 DMF32 MP02379 DELQA MP00742 MS11-M MP00021 MS11-E MP01239 MSV11-P MP00424 H333 and some Engineering Drawings: DD11-D KW11-P TU10 DECmagtape and this one which is not the best copy: DT07 (half inch thick stack!) greetz, - Henk, PA8PDP This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for use by the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a 'reply' message. Thank you for your co-operation.

19 years, 9 months

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Tektronix 4010

by cc＠corti-net.de

Hello, I'm looking for the schematics from the maintenance manual for the Tektronix 4010. There are the chapters 1 to 6 on pdp8.net but the important chapter 7 is missing. Is there any online copy of this part available? Thanks, Christian PS: I also have a Tektronix 4012 in the cellar; are there any manuals for this model?

19 years, 9 months

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General Automation Minicomputers

by cc＠corti-net.de

Hello, I'm looking for documentation and software for the GA SPC-16 (SPC-16/65 to be precise) and the GA-16/460. They seem to be very rare as there's practically nothing about them on the net. I need to build a memory board for the SPC-16 because I have none in my machine, or will a memory board >from the GA-16 work in the SPC-16? Christian

19 years, 9 months

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CMD CDU 700/m Manual needed (SCSI unibus card)

by g-wright＠att.net

Hi, It seems I can find the CMD CDU720 card infomation but nothing on the CDU 700 which was an earlier version (87,88 ) The switch and jumper settings are different. Anyone point me in the right direction. Jumper settings are my first need. Thanks, Jerry

19 years, 9 months

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cctech Digest, Vol 40, Issue 14

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

I think the answer is to unsubscribe yourself from cctech and subscribe to cctalk. Posting is nearly realtime. I for one an not afraid of unmoderated lists. --- cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org <roger.holmes at microspot.co.uk> wrote: > > On 8 Dec, 2006, at 07:34, cctech-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 22 > > Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 12:04:28 +1300 > > From: "Ethan Dicks" <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 40, Issue 15 > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > > Message-ID: > > <f4eb766f0612071504q68f31c78ub5579055fec0aeb4 at mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Could someone please explain the time warp which allows digest issue > 14 to > contain replies to messages in digest issue 15? > > One lister complains about top posting, but it is equally, if not > more, confusing > to read replies to messages before the message itself, and this > happens a LOT. > > I realise the list is moderated and there will be a lag, but is there > any reason the > messages cannot be kept in order. Please! > > Roger Holmes > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

19 years, 9 months

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video monitors available - Evanston, Illinois

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

I've got about a dozen Sony Trinitron PVM-1380 color video monitors available. These are dual-channel composite video/mono audio - great for use with your Apple ][, Atari 800, Commodore 64, etc. Very nice commercial grade in very good condition. Removed from our school language lab, so may be "personalized" cosmetically but nothing objectionable. Free for pickup - I will not ship but I can store them through January. Any remainder will be scrapped in February. Located in Evanston, Illinois. Jack 847.424.7320 work -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 12/9/2006 3:41 PM

19 years, 9 months

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video monitors available

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

I've got about a dozen Sony Trinitron PVM-1380 color video monitors available. These are dual-channel composite video/mono audio - great for use with your Apple ][, Atari 800, Commodore 64, etc. Very nice commercial grade in very good condition. Removed from our school language lab, so may be "personalized" cosmetically but nothing objectionable. Free for pickup - I will not ship but I can store them through January. Any remainder will be scrapped in February. Jack 847.424.7320 work -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 12/9/2006 3:41 PM

19 years, 9 months

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Stiction

by dm561＠torfree.net

----------------Original Message: Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 09:18:32 -0800 From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> Subject: Re: Stiction To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <457A7F68.30292.230D317 at cclist.sydex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 9 Dec 2006 at 7:11, dwight elvey wrote: > I have several friends that worked at Seagate when they had > problems of stiction. It was not a lubricant problem. It was > caused by the surfaces being too smooth. When to really > smooth surfaces sit together for a long time, the air is squeezed > out. Once the surfaces really touch, there is a thing called > molecular adhesion. > Anyone that has worked with guage blocks is familair with > this. That's the story that I got from the Seagate marketing engineer when I complained about new ST-225's occasionally showing this problem. . However, Wikipedia states that the problem really is heat and lubricants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiction So, the moral is "never trust a marketing guy", I guess. Cheers, Chuck -------------------- Reply: Or don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia; in my experience (quite a few Seagate ST-225's and 251's, and recently even a Conner IDE drive) it was always heads sticking to platters when the drive was shut down after running for a long time. But perhaps bearing lube was also a problem (that I just never ran across). mike

19 years, 9 months

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Cottonwood BBS is operational!

by joachim.thiemann＠gmail.com

> From: der Mouse <mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> > > I personally don't know of a better solution, other than to use a C64 > > emulator and bind to whatever modem people have. I don't know what > > the answer is, but hopefully somebody can figure out a > > Windows-compatible solution. > > VMware running a real OS, presenting the winmodem as an ordinary serial > port (of whatever type it deos for serial ports)? Actually, it might be worth checking out USB modems: I think many actually attach as a regular USB serial port that has a modem attached to it - though it's all within a single blob. Not having a USB-to-serial adapter myself I just built myself a dummy phone line (12V battery, 2 caps and a resistor) so my modern stuff (Macs with modems but no serial ports) can talk to my Amiga (and other stuff) via an external modem set to auto-answer. Both on my server (B&W G3 running NetBSD) and my laptop (G4) the modem responds to good old AT commands... This leads me to suspect that the Apple USB modem also will respond to AT commands. The only danger is that it might want firmware to be loaded at attach time from the host to the device (like my %^&!ing MIDI adapter!) Joe.

19 years, 9 months

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A 1935 example of the internet.

by wdg3rd＠comcast.net

Message: 2 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 10:30:35 -0800 From: "Michael Holley" <swtpc6800 at comcast.net> Subject: A 1935 example of the internet. To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <0b8401c71bc0$2e32a410$6601a8c0 at downstairs2> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > Hugo Gernsback started the magazines that became Popular Electronics and > Radio Electronics. He was known for his predictions on the future of > electronics. In the February 1935 issue of Radio Craft (later Radio > Electronics) he describes in some detail a future home radio that includes > television and electronic delivery of the newspaper. It appears to allow two > way communication. Actually, he described that system earlier than that in his fiction, a novel published in 1929 (but I think was serialized in Amazing Stories first and another source says it was written in 1911) titled _Ralph 124C41+_. (For those who don't know, Hugo Gernsback created the first magazines dedicated to science fiction, and the annual Hugo Awards, SF's "Oscars" as it were, are named after him). The novel is full of cliches. Well, they're cliches now. They weren't then. -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net When you let people do whatever they want, you get Woodstock. When you let governments do whatever they want, you get Auschwitz. Doug Newman

19 years, 9 months

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cctech Digest, Vol 40, Issue 14

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

Furthermorf, receiving individual posts could help too. Its always a crap shoot for me when deciding if its really worth my while to open a re:digest #... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

19 years, 9 months

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cctech Digest, Vol 40, Issue 14

by roger.holmes＠microspot.co.uk

On 8 Dec, 2006, at 07:34, cctech-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 12:04:28 +1300 > From: "Ethan Dicks" <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 40, Issue 15 > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: > <f4eb766f0612071504q68f31c78ub5579055fec0aeb4 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Could someone please explain the time warp which allows digest issue 14 to contain replies to messages in digest issue 15? One lister complains about top posting, but it is equally, if not more, confusing to read replies to messages before the message itself, and this happens a LOT. I realise the list is moderated and there will be a lag, but is there any reason the messages cannot be kept in order. Please! Roger Holmes

19 years, 9 months

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cctalk Digest, Vol 40, Issue 17

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

If you can deal with Mailorder: http://www.affordablesurplus.com/syncom_floppy_diskette.asp And, Athana still seems to be selling them as well: http://www.athana.com/html/diskette.html Regards, Al Phila, PA > From: Warren Wolfe <wizard at voyager.net> > > Anyway, diskettes are going the way of the dodo. I have several > older machines, and spent a good part of the last two days trying, > unsuccessfully, to find 5-1/4 inch diskettes for sale. They simply are > not carried any more. And, I live in the heart of a truly major retail > center -- I've been in EVERY major computer and electronics store, and > many of the minor ones in the last 48 hours. >

19 years, 9 months

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Apple-1 History?

by ken＠seefried.com

From: "Dave Dunfield" <dave06a at dunfield.com> > >I've been having an esclating correspondance with a chap named >"Murray Balascak" (anyone know him?) - > The following might come as a suprise: There are trolls on the internet. There are psychos on the internet. There are irrational, obsessive, socially retarded, self-important fanatics on the net. Sometimes, one of them finds you, and makes you the subject of their current delusion. They're easy to identify, and it's best not to have "escalating correspondence" with them. > >I should probably just ignore it - > Bingo.

19 years, 9 months

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KIM and SSM 6502 - Chuck Guzis

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

Responding to Chuck Guzis - > > (BTW, I still have a 2708 EPROM burner for a KIM-1 if anyone wants > it.) yes, please, if still available! > I'm trying to remember if it was Solid State Music who > offered the S- 100 6502 board. Does anyone recall? > I don't think SSM ever did a 6502 S100 board - the only one I know about is from CRGS in Pennsylvania. Jack -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/580 - Release Date: 12/8/2006 12:53 PM

19 years, 9 months

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KIM-1 and Apple I

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

If you haven't read the previously un-published Chapter 1.5 of Brian Bagnall's Commodore history, take a look here - http://www.commodorebook.com/contents/ch001.5%20TIM-KIM.pdf . No doubt the KIM was a significant and capable system but, IMHO, the real difference was intent - Chuck Peddle saw the KIM as a way to entice engineers into trying and buying his processor; Woz saw the Apple I as a true personal computer, though obviously that had a different meaning in 1976 than it did in 1981 or 2006. The KIM-1 had a tremendous impact (relatively speaking) because it provided a working system (or subsystem) with a common and reliable hardware configuration to 100s/1000s of people. The result was an early critical mass encouraging third party vendors (hardware and software) and the development of an enthusiastic user community. The Apple I never sold in any appreciable volume and may have been most important as an "enabler", validating Woz - to himself! - as a capable designer and validating Jobs - to himself! - as a visionary, though it would seem that Paul Terrell (and certainly Mike Markula) shared that vision as well. Terrell's financial commitment to Apple allowed Woz to build something much closer to his view of what he wanted - the Apple ][. My ][ cents - Jack -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/580 - Release Date: 12/8/2006 12:53 PM

19 years, 9 months

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A 1935 example of the internet.

by swtpc6800＠comcast.net

Hugo Gernsback started the magazines that became Popular Electronics and Radio Electronics. He was known for his predictions on the future of electronics. In the February 1935 issue of Radio Craft (later Radio Electronics) he describes in some detail a future home radio that includes television and electronic delivery of the newspaper. It appears to allow two way communication. There is a copy for sale on ePay that shows the cover and some internal pages. RADIO CRAFT 1935 MAGAZINE PREDICTS FUTURE RADIO in 1950 Item number: 170058678360 Michael Holley www.swtpc.com/mholley

19 years, 9 months

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Apple-1 History?

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

Dave, Seems perfectly fine and reasonable to me. You are dealing with a troll. I'm sure the KIM-1 is a fine computer, but it's not terribly well known except to early computing aficionados. I think you should ignore him. Your Apple II page is fine. The text is fine. It's truthful and relevant to the history of the Apple II. And thanks for providing the resources and great computing you do! Regards, Al Hartman Phila, PA > From: "Dave Dunfield" <dave06a at dunfield.com> > > Hi guys, > > I've been having an esclating correspondance with a chap named > "Murray Balascak" (anyone know him?) - who contacted me regarding > his displeasure with my mention of the Apple-1 on the Apple-II page of > my site - here is what I have posted as part of my introdiuction to the > Apple-II: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > In 1976, Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs formed the Apple Computer Company, > and built a home computer they called the "Apple 1" in their garage. Although it > required the users to provide their own cabinet, power supply, keyboard and > video monitor, it didn't require a separate terminal, and a simple BASIC interpreter > could be loaded with an optional cassette interface. Although it required a fairly > technical user to complete the system and make it usable, about 200 Apple 1s > were sold in the first year. > > The following year (1977), Apple refined the design, providing a keyboard and > power supply and packaging the machine in a attractive low-profile plastic cabinet > with simple connections for the video monitor and tape storage. Now - anyone > who could plug two connectors together could use this computer. The result, called > "Apple 2" was one of the most successful early personal computers, and sold > many thousands of units. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > In Mr. Balascaks first correspondance, he stated that the KIM-1 was a far > better machine than the Apple-1, asked if I had succumbed to "the relentless > revisionism of the brand zealots?", and demanded that I "correct the above > reference to show the machine's irrelevance". > > In his second correspondance, he stated that I am spreading "Apple > propaganda", again stated that the KIM-1 was better, sold in higher > quantities and cheaper (I still do not know what the KIM-1 has to do > with an Apple-II page). > > In his third correspondance he acqused me of "posting lies and being > worse than useless by corrupting history into fiction". Again, he stated > that the KIM-1 was a far better machine and much cheaper. > > In his last email, he indicated that he believes I am responsable for the > degradation of the internet and the reason that it cannot be trusted as > a source of information. > > I don't know where this is coming from - I believe my reference to the > Apple-1 is accurate considering it's brevity - Apple was formed in 1976 > and operated out of Jobs basement. The Apple-1 was sold through the > homebrew computer club as well as a few of stores, and although I do > not have confirmed numbers of sales, I believe it was around 200 > units. > > It was never my intention to make a page about the Apple-1 (I don't have > one, and I only feature systems on my site which are in my collection)... > I believe at some point someone asked why I didn't mention the Apple-1 > so I added this one paragraph as part of the Apple-II history. I have no > other references to the Apple-1 (at least that I can recall) on my site. > > In all of my responses to him, I indicated that I am unwilling to change > the site based on the hearsay of one individual, especially when that > person has an apparent (in my opinion based on correspondance > received) bias for or against the material being questioned, however I > would be happy to revise the site in response to any documented > facts/evidence he can provide that the material I have is incorrect. > > All I have received in return is statements about how much better the > KIM-1 was (I make no such comparisons on my site), how expensive > the Apple-1 and Apple-II were (I post no such prices on my site), and > rants about a website that apparently lists Woz as the "inventor of > the single-board computer" (I make no such claim on my site). > > I should probably just ignore it - but the fact that I have been accused > of lying and deliberatly posting misinformation is disturbing to me ... > So - I throw it to the list - As a background statement showing that > Apple existed and sold a predecessor in small volumes for a time > before the Apple-II ... Is my posting above non-factual? If so, in > what way, and can you provide supporting documentation? > > Please keep in mind that I do not wish to post a page about the Apple-1, > only a single paragraph as a way of introducing the guys who built > the Apple-2. > > Regards, > Dave > > -- > dave06a (at) Dave Dunfield > dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com > com Collector of vintage computing equipment: > http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/index.html > > > ------------------------------

19 years, 9 months

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magic-1 boards

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

I'm attempting to build a Magic-1 using gEDA. Would anyone be interested in a set of boards for the Magic-1? I'm just pondering the idea right now. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

19 years, 9 months

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ARC boards

by jim＠g1jbg.co.uk

I have a quantity of ARC(E) Ltd. boards, from a complex calculator, or small computer. They are in CHesham, Bucks, UK, collection only. A small donation would be welcome, but I'm not that bothered. There are a couple of largish boxes of the things. They go for scrap in acouple of weeks, if not claimed. Jim. Please see our website: www.g1jbg.co.uk

19 years, 9 months

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ARC boards

by jim.beacon＠ntlworld.com

I have a quantity of ARC(E) Ltd. boards, from a complex calculator, or small computer. They are in CHesham, Bucks, UK, collection only. A small donation would be welcome, but I'm not that bothered. There are a couple of largish boxes of the things. They go for scrap in a couple of weeks, if not claimed. Jim. Please see our website: www.g1jbg.co.uk

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Stiction

by g-wright＠att.net

-------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> > On 8 Dec 2006 at 10:43, Marvin Johnston wrote: > > > I've read several replies indicating that the drive needs to be taken apart. > > People have also advocated just "hitting" the drive to break the stiction. > > I don't think what some of the folks were talking about was > "stiction". It seemed as if the positioner itself were stuck. IIRC. > In the case of stiction, the spindle motor itself cannot overcome the > adhesion between the platters and the heads, so the drive never spins > up. > > I've got an SA-4008 that I'm wondering about--obviously the spindle > motor spins the platters up to speed, but the drive doesn't come > ready (it did about 5 years ago when I last powered it). I'm > wondering if there's a stuck positioner issue on that one. Anyone > have any ideas? > > Cheers, > Chuck > I have seen may of the older drives have the rubber on the head position stops go bad and hang up the head position or cause it to stick. I have been daring and opened up the drive to clean it off. if this is the problem it can of coarse trash the drive if it gets off the stop post. Cleaning is on easy and takes some time. The next challenge is getting something to replace it with out taking the drive apart. (head alignment.) On some Quantumn 8" dives I spilt some tubing and rapped it around the post with contact glue. So far they still work Jerry Jerry Wright JLC inc.

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Looking for old VMS and Ultrix releases

by sethm＠loomcom.com

Folks, I'm trying to hunt down old VAX/VMS releases (earlier than 5.4) and old Ultrix and ULTRIX-32 releases (earlier than 4.2, both for VAX and for RISC). Tape images or CD-ROM images (where appropriate) would be quite welcome, I don't need any original media. If you have any of this stuff lurking around, please do let me know. Thanks very much! -Seth

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Kinda OT: LASCRs?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Hey folks. As a kid in the 1970s with access to only Radio Shack for parts and educational materials, I had a lot of Forrest Mims' books. I've dug up a lot of the ones learned from (new copies via eBay; my original ones are sadly long gone) and in fits of nostalgia I've built quite a few of the old circuits I played with when I was 8 or 9. One component that I really liked was the LASCR. I had one which I used in a few different circuits back then. While I still have some of my old stuff from that era, that one LASCR is nowhere to be found...Now it seems they've disappeared from the scene entirely. Has anyone seen any lately? Is anyone making them anymore? -Dave -- Dave McGuire Cape Coral, FL

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Apple-1 History?

by aliensrcooluk＠yahoo.co.uk

--- Dave Dunfield <dave06a at dunfield.com> wrote: > Hi guys, > *>> snip <<* > > I should probably just ignore it - but the fact th at > I have been accused > of lying and deliberatly posting misinformation is > disturbing to me ... > So - I throw it to the list - As a background > statement showing that > Apple existed and sold a predecessor in small > volumes for a time > before the Apple-II ... Is my posting above > non-factual? If so, in > what way, and can you provide supporting > documentation? > > Please keep in mind that I do not wish to post a > page about the Apple-1, > only a single paragraph as a way of introducing th e > guys who built > the Apple-2. > > Regards, > Dave > Sounds perfectly reasonable to me and, whilst have I no knowledge about the A1's sales figures, the other fact's all seem to be correct. I seem to recall reading about the Apple 1 in either one of my 80 Microcomputing mags or, possibly more likely, the book On The Edge: The Spectacualr Rise and Fall Of Commodore (published last year). Personally, I think it's good to mention rival computers and/or previous models when talking about specific computers. I can see nothing wrong with what you have put and can only say that you have unintensionally rattled a KIM-1 fan. Regards, Andrew B aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk

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ASR-33 conversion to 220V

by jos.mar＠bluewin.ch

I want to convert a ASR33 from 110V/50Hz ( yes , 50Hz) to 220V. Is it sufficient to swap the motor and fuses ? A nice touch of this particular machine is the unused "here is" option. I wonder if a small bootloader would fit in it... Jos Dreesen

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F/S PDP-11/34 CAD$100 Local pickup only Kanata/ON/Canada [SOLD]

by root＠parse.com

My goodness that was fast :-) The cabinet is still available... Cheers, -RK Forwarded message: > From cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org Fri Dec 8 09:36:31 2006 > From: Robert Krten <root at parse.com> > Message-Id: <200612081417.kB8EH8ci082567 at amd64.ott.parse.com> > To: cctech at classiccmp.org > Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:17:08 -0500 (EST) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, > clamav-milter version 0.86 on keith.ezwind.net > X-Virus-Status: Clean > X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=4.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO > autolearn=failed version=3.0.2 > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on keith.ezwind.net > X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 08:33:20 -0600 > Subject: F/S PDP-11/34 CAD$100 Local pickup only Kanata/ON/Canada > X-BeenThere: cctech at classiccmp.org > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 > Precedence: list > Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> > List-Id: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech.classiccmp.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech>, > <mailto:cctech-request at classiccmp.org?subject=unsubscribe> > List-Archive: <http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech> > List-Post: <mailto:cctech at classiccmp.org> > List-Help: <mailto:cctech-request at classiccmp.org?subject=help> > List-Subscribe: <http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech>, > <mailto:cctech-request at classiccmp.org?subject=subscribe> > Sender: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org > Errors-To: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org > > > Hi folks, > > I've decided that my PDP-11/34 is not part of my core collection, and that > I really won't have time to do anything intelligent with it. Therefore, > I'm selling it for CAD$100, local pickup in Kanata/ON/Canada only > (will not ship). Pictures, module inventory, and contact info: > > www.parse.com/~museum/pdp11/pdp1134/index.html > > The pictured cabinet is available separately (CAD$100, same terms). > > (The Gandalf X.25 mux shown in the cabinet has been scrapped already.) > > Cheers, > -RK -- Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices, http://www.parse.com/resume.html Wanted: DEC minis: http://www.parse.com/~museum/admin/wanted.html

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What would it take...

by lee＠geekdot.com

> to make one of these in discrete logic: > (if you don't feel like looking, it's an Apple II > IDE/Cflash controller) > Just a rough chip count. Two 8 bit buffers, two 8 bit latches and one GAL20V8 or similar. The GAL isn't essential but saves four or more packages to do the address decoding. Lee.

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TCP/IP, FTP, and MSDOS?

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Out of interest, what do I need in the way of TCP/IP software / configuration and FTP client software so that I can connect to a remote FTP server from MSDOS? I don't think I've ever set up such a config from scratch. I can live with 10Mbps speeds if required (would DOS drivers even drive a card at anything more anyway?) NIC cards I seem to have available: Netgear FA310TX (PCI) HP 88809L (ISA) 3Com Etherlink III (PCI) 3Com Etherlink III (ISA) Asix NV100AM (PCI) 'Network Everywhere' NC100 (PCI) 3Com 3C905 (PCI) The ISA boards perhaps have the drawback that they're software configurable, so I have no idea what settings they'll want to use (or which interface), or how well they'll behave in the new-ish system I need to put a card in. The PCI boards on the other hand are newer so maybe DOS drivers don't even exist for them... (Etherlink III's were always reliable I seem to recall, but I never did like the idea of them being software configurable; it was much nicer to have jumpers on a card and *know* what it was configured as!) cheers Jules -- there's a carp in the tub there's a carp in the tub so nobody's taken a bath

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Looking for LC/Performa 550 mo'bo', 8*24*GC NuBus card

by spectre＠floodgap.com

I'm looking for a replacement Mac LC 550 (Performa 550, Color Classic II) motherboard. I'm also looking for an 8*24*GC NuBus video card. If you have either or both of these and are willing to part with/sell them, please let me know off list. Thanks! -- --------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ --- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- Ah, the insight of hindsight. -- Thurston N. Davis -------------------------

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Wanted: Pertec-to-Qbus Tape Controller; RLV12 RL02 Controller

by vaxorcist＠googlemail.com

Help! I need a Pertec-to-QBus Tape Controller for my Cipher F880 tape drive. Any make & model will do: - DEC TSV05 controller M7196 - Emulex TC & QT series - Dilog DQ series - ... Furthermore I'd like to have an RLV12 RL02 Disk Controller (M8061). Will swap for other QBus boards or pay as much as a hobbyist can afford. Regards Ulli

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F/S PDP-11/34 CAD$100 Local pickup only Kanata/ON/Canada

by root＠parse.com

Hi folks, I've decided that my PDP-11/34 is not part of my core collection, and that I really won't have time to do anything intelligent with it. Therefore, I'm selling it for CAD$100, local pickup in Kanata/ON/Canada only (will not ship). Pictures, module inventory, and contact info: www.parse.com/~museum/pdp11/pdp1134/index.html The pictured cabinet is available separately (CAD$100, same terms). (The Gandalf X.25 mux shown in the cabinet has been scrapped already.) Cheers, -RK -- Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices, http://www.parse.com/resume.html Wanted: DEC minis: http://www.parse.com/~museum/admin/wanted.html

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Machine Independent Storate Idea...

by tim.walls＠snowgoons.com

Jules Richardson wrote: > Maybe; but it's not vital to operation as the intention would be for the > primary storage to be something like a CF card or a USB stick. Although > that is interesting; the primary store is a USB stick then it's > presumably easy to code the firmware so that the device can be plugged > in via a cable to a system running suitable host software as an > alternative (providing the device holds sufficient local memory to > buffer a track and USB data transfer to the host is > fast enough to not upset whatever the floppy emulator's plugged in to). Unfortunately that's not true :-(. USB is a horrible standard, and it's not orthogonal - hosts are hosts, and targets (my word, I can't remember what the official word is) are targets. So, if your device wants to be able to use USB memory sticks, it needs to implement the USB host interface. That means it won't be able to talk to a computer (also a host interface.) If you want to do both, you'll need two interfaces (and strictly speaking two sockets - the flat socket (Type A IIRC) should only be implemented on a host, a target should only have the square Type B socket. It ought to be impossible to get a flat-4 male to flat-4 male USB cable, apart from anything else.) (By 'Flat 4' I mean the 'normal' USB socket people see on their computers. By 'Square', I mean the square one with two bevelled corners that you don't see as often (an awful lot of USB devices having captive cables.) You can probably find a driver chip that will implement both host and target though, or you may need two driver chips. The Philips PDIUSBD12 (again, IIRC that's the correct name) which is the only one I've ever used will only do target mode, IIRC. Firewire is a much nicer standard for this sort of thing, but of course defeats the object because noone makes Firewire memory sticks :-). Anyway, I'd definitely stick to CompactFlash, but make sure you implement a Type-II (IIRC, again!) interface, the physical size of which is slightly chunkier; that allows you to use the Microdrive harddisks as well as Flash cards. (To sort of answer one of your other questions, I regularly use 4GB CompactFlash hard disks in my digital camera - the only downside of them is they are sloooooooow, at least the cheapo ones I use. It used to be the cheapest way to get a 4GB compact flash hard disk was buy an iPod Mini, crack the thing open and steal the hard disk out of it - they use a CFlash disk internally!) Cheers, Tim -- Tim Walls at home in Leeds EMail & MSN: tim.walls at snowgoons.com

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pdp-8 3 cycle data break?

by brad＠heeltoe.com

Are there any good *detailed* descriptions about how the 3 cycle data break works on say, a pdp-8/I with an rf08 or df32? I've read 3-4 simple descriptions, but I'd like something that relates - in detail - to the cpu instruction cycles/states (i.e. f0-3,d0-3,e0-3). I'm curious what the exact state machine looks like. I'm also curious if the data break cycles occur as additional cpu states or if they overlap cpu states in any way. I'm resisted diving into schematics mostly due to lazyness (and work), but that may be the next step. I guess I have no seen any good 8/i "principles of operations" either, outside what is said in "Computer Engineering". any pointers/comments appreciated. -brad

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What would it take...

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

to make one of these in discrete logic: (if you don't feel like looking, it's an Apple II IDE/Cflash controller) http://cgi.ebay.com/MicroDrive-IDE-Controller-for-Apple-IIe-IIgs_W0QQitemZ3… Just a rough chip count. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com

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PDP11 adventures

by curtis＠hawkmountain.net

OK... so I'm now the new (proud :-) ) owner of a PDP-11/83. I'm new to the PDP11s, so, I'm not even powering this thing up until I get educated. This is the config In the system (183QA-D2) box: M8637-EF (2MB ECC RAM) M8190-AE (11/83 CPU, FPJ11-AA) X, M9047 (nothing, grant continuity) M7196 (TSV05 controller) M7555, M9047 (RQDX3 MFM Winchester/floppy, grant continuity) M7513, M9404 (RQDXE RQDX extender for RQDX2/3, Q22 extender cpu end) X (nothing) X (nothing) In the BA23-CA expansion: M9405-YB, M9047 (Q22 extender far end, grant continuity) M8053-MA (RS232/423 w/DDCMP) M3104 (8 line ASYNC multiplexer) M3104 (8 line ASYNC multiplexer) M77651, M7555 (DRV11-WA 18/22 bit dma general purpose parallel interface, RQDX3) M7651, M7546 (DRV11-WA, TKQ50-AA TMSCP for TK50 controller) X (nothing) X (nothing) I recieved this with 1 TK50 drive in the BA23, no hard drives (I have a decent selection of MFM drives, but if anyone has any spare Maxtor XT2190 or XT1140s let me know). Anyone got any DEC drive sleds ? I could use 4. Also have a 'port panel' that wen on the rear of the rack these two boxes were pulled from... and a large cache of ribbon cables to connect everything up. Now... for questions: is FPJ11-AA floating point, and does that mean my cpu card has that built in ? What is the max ram ? i.e. how many more M8637-EF (or higher capacity) cards can be aquired and put in ? Anyone have a TSV05 tape drive local to Sharon, MA ? Or, anyone in need of a TSV05 controller ? What is DDCMP control ROM ? that my M8053-MA has ? What is a DRV11-WA general purpose 18/22 bit parallel interface ? Can this be used for a parallel printer ??? As I'd like to have larger storage on it at some point, I'd like to locate a SCSI (or possibly ESDI ?) controller. What should I be looking for, anyone have one ? I'm looking at running BSD (2.11 ?) and other PDP11 OSes... suggestions ? There doesn't seem to be a reason to the layout of the grant continuity cards. Shouldn't there be one in the left side of the 3rd slot from the top in the 183QA-D2 (system unit) ? What is the minimum card config to start testing with ? Any pointers on how the RQDX3 and RQDXE cards should wire up ? The RQDXE in the system unit has a wide ribbon cable running to the front (which I presume breaks into the control/data wiring for an MFM drive there).. but the RQDX3 doesn't connect to the RQDXE .. Sorry for the long post... I'm new to PDP11... Oh.. last thing... does anyone local to Sharon, MA 02067 have a 'proper' DEC RAC enclosure the is 'correct'/'period' for a PDP-11/83 ? (not full size please... this 11/83 is in my 2nd floor computer room... I currently do not want a full height 19" rack in there... something deskside size plz). Thnk that covers it for now. Thanks in adance everyone, -- Curt

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Help needed in identifying an early IC

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

I've come across a few old ICs and haven't been able to find out much about them - lots of places on the 'net are willing to sell them but I couldn't find a data sheet - only one clue that they _might_ be dual op-amps. They are small cans (TO-??) with eight leads protruding from the bottom, marked SG 1458T with a 1976 date code. Any help identifying them would be appreciated. Kind of hoping they're really some sort of shift register ... Thanks, Jack -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.9/573 - Release Date: 12/5/2006 4:07 PM

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cctalk Digest, Vol 40, Issue 15

by ken＠seefried.com

From: "Ethan Dicks" <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> > Strictly speaking, DOS is not limiting your signalling speed, > but the ISA bus could be. For 100Mbps ethernet, yes. You can only push a fraction of the bandwidth. > There was one, only one, 100Mbps ISA card I ever > ran across (by 3Com, but I can't remember the model number) 3c515 Might not be the only one, though. According to Dan Kegals Fast Ethernet page (http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~dank/fe/) there's a rumor that Cogent and Olicom had ISA 100TX cards. I've never seen or heard of one in the wild. I distinctly recall there was a 100baseVG ISA card (I had a client who was bad at math who wanted to go VG so they wouldn't have to upgrade to PCI desktops). We all know how that turned out. I've also seen someone put a 100Mbps PCMCIA card in an ISA-PCMCIA bridge, but that's stretching the definition a bit.

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PDP11 adventures

by oldcpu＠rogerwilco.org

On 6/12/06 01:45, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: > >> At 8:08 PM +0000 12/5/06, Adrian Graham wrote: > >> >>> We have some RD53s to test for a customer..... >> > >> > >> You have my sympathy. > > Indeed, it looks like the original boot drive (also an RD53) long gave up > the ghost, which is a shame because it had RT11 5.4 and one of the > systems I wrote in the 1980's...... A microVAX II that I acquired earlier this year included a RD53/Micropolis drive. After reading various posts about these drives I had very low expectations for reviving it and hopefully discovering something interesting on it. And to make matters more dire, during the pickup, when hefting the BA123 box to load it into the truck, the drive+sled slipped out and fell to the concrete floor, probably about 14". So, with absolutely no positive expectations, after getting things ready for a quick drive dump by netbooting NetBSD and setting up a remote mount, I fired up the drives. Lo and behold, it worked! It spun up nicely, I heard the heads seek to 0 and all was good. Turned out that the drive only had a minimal Ultrix root filesystem, but I'm quite pleased that the drive still seems to work. I've fired it up many times since in the past 6 months with no problems. Here's a suggestion. Knock that drive hard! ;) If the problem is that the heads are 'stuck', it just might kick them off the stop. If the drive is considered dead, might be worth a try! J

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Maxtor XT1140/2140 PCB needed

by dm561＠torfree.net

By any chance, does anyone have a circuit board from a scrapped Maxtor XT1140 or XT2140 (apparently interchangeable) that they'd consider parting with? mike

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mirrors - pdp stuff

by bfranchuk＠jetnet.ab.ca

Does anybody have a mirror back up of this site? http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/computer-science/history/ Hate to lose it if the *ONE* site dies.

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PDP11 adventures

by dm561＠torfree.net

------------------------Original Message: From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com> Subject: Re: PDP11 adventures At 7:00 PM +0000 12/6/06, Adrian Graham wrote: >Indeed, it looks like the original boot drive (also an RD53) long gave up >the ghost, which is a shame because it had RT11 5.4 and one of the systems I >wrote in the 1980's...... If it's just something like the heads sticking, it might be possible to revive the drive, at least long enough to get the data off. BTW, while several other people have done this over the years, I didn't have any luck the one time I tried to revive an RD53, so you'll want to ask someone other than me any questions. :^) I've even heard of people running the drives for years after fixing the problem. Zane -----------------Reply:------------------------------------------------------------------- I've run "sticky" Seagates for years; just had to give 'em a little push start every time there was a power failure. Here's another tip regarding RD53's mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (From http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~jmcm/info/rd53fix.txt) [RD53 spins up and down again] This is a common failure mode for RD53s. If you have backups of what's on the drive, then discard that drive and get a new one. If you have critical data on that drive that you need to save, here's a trick that might let you get it running for one last time: 1. Remove the drive from the machine. Disconnect the two data cables and the power cable. If the drive has the plastic "sled" that DEC uses to mount drives, remove that. 2. Remove the two screws that hold the main circuit board on the bottom of the drive. 3. Flip the logic board up, taking care not to damage it or any of the ribbon- like flexible circuits attached to it. 4. Underneath that board is the servo board. On one side of that board is a small flexible circuit that originates in the sealed drive housing and terminates in a plug on the servo board; I believe it's got three pins. Disconnect this plug. 5. With the drive in this partially-disassembled state, re-connect the two data cables and the power cable. Power-up the system. At this point, the drive should spin up and stay up, but will not go 'ready'. If the drive will not stay spun up at this point, then the drive is beyond help and you are out of luck. 6. If the drive is spinning OK then re-connect the ribbon cable to the servo board. The drive should go 'ready'. 7. Bring up your system and back up those data! When replacing the drive, a Micropolis 1325, I suggest replacing it with a better unit. A Micropolis 1335 will work OK -- all you need to do is jumper position R7 on the drive's logic board for DEC controllers to recognize it as an RD53. Better yet, get a Maxtor 2190 which is a DEC RD54. Not only do these drives hold more, they seem to last longer. Good luck, ---Bob. -- Bob Hoffman, N3CVL

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hp 9153c

by phil_skates＠yahoo.com

hi carlos! i saw your thread on classiccmp.org. you seem to know alot about hp-ux. so here's my question: do you know of a way/program to convert dos/windows ascii files so they can be read by hp 9153c disk drive running on a hp 9000 series 300 computer. i think what i need is to be able to convert fat/ntfs file system to a lif, right? thank-you! philipp --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now.

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Big Book (website) of Amiga Hardware

by aliensrcooluk＠yahoo.co.uk

FYI: (especially Amiga fans/owners) I hope someone decides to help preserve all his work. Andrew B aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk Ian: "After nearly 8 years of running the Big Book of Ami ga Hardware, I've decided it's time for me to retire from maintaining the site. The reasons are many and varied, but personal. The p roject started in January 1999 and since then has gr own to be what it is today. This wouldn't have been possible without the hundreds of contributors that t ook their time to help out, many of who sent hundred s of photographs over the years." http://www.amiga-hardware.com/

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RK05 disk images & PDP-11/70

by ggs＠shiresoft.com

Hi, I just wanted to let folks know that I've gotten my 11/70 setup with BSD2.11. It now has 2 Fujitsu Eagles attached to an Emulex SC72. BSD "thinks" there are 4 RP06 drives attached! Now that I have enough disk storage on it, I'm going to start to image the 200+ (yes, that's *not* a typo) RK05 packs. It'll take a seriously long time to go through all of the packs since before I will put a "strange" pack into the RK05 drive on the '70 (actually *any* of my RK05 drives), I disassemble the pack and completely clean the enclosure and the platter. Since there's a fair amount of DEC distribution media among the packs, I'll be doing the "high" value packs first. I'll let folks know how it goes and try to put together a catalog of what's there. I've configured this 11/70 (actually a DS570) to be able to read/write RL01/2 packs and RK05 packs. It also has a TU80 so I can also read/write 1600bpi 9-track tapes. It also has a DELUA ethernet. BSD is configured for TCP/IP and I've set it up to use one of my static IPs. DNS is pointing to it as neptune.shiresoft.com. This will allow me to move bits on/off the '70 with relative ease. I'm also contemplating letting it run 24/7 (I may reconsider once I see my electric bill) and offering access to individuals. What do y'all think? -- TTFN - Guy

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IBM 1130 for sale in the US midwest

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

Hi folks, A complete IBM 1130 system just surfaced for sale in the midwestern US. It is reputed to be one of the very first ones sold. It was used by an architecture/engineering firm until a few years ago. It's an impressive system: includes the CPU, external disk drives, 1403 printer, multiplex cabinet (interface for the disks and printer), 1442 card/read punch, 029 keypunch, documents and other stuff. We're working getting more details. Buyer will have to arrange for pickup, which will be a bit of a job as the machine is in a basement, and the pieces weigh around 800 lbs each. (The multiplex box could weigh over 1000 lbs). We suspect that a stair crawler might be required. We (we being Norm and Brian at ibm1130.org) don't know what the seller expects to get for it. He's under pressure to get it sold and moved within two weeks. This is a terrific system, but the pool of interested people is fairly small, and the moving costs are going to be considerable. (We would guess that the stair crawler alone will cost $1500 or more to rent for the day, and trucking will cost another $500 to 3500 depending on where in the US it goes -- overseas would be much more). He's aware of this, and we hope that he's realistic about it. We have an idea of what "realistic" might be and could suggest what you might want to offer, if you want the advice. If you're interested, contact Norm "at" ibm1130.org or contact me directly, and we'll put you in touch with the seller. We'd really like to see this system stay together and go to a person who's interested in keeping it intact! We'd much rather see it go as a whole package to a classiccmper than get pieced out on ebay. Regards Brian Knittel and Norm Aleks

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rogues galleries

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

Referring to people's "collections" or whatever they may be of course. In particular I'd like to see Tony Duell's list of, what was it, 170+ machines?? This isn't the sort of site where a database can be stored unfortunately. I hope I'm not being too bold... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

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IBM 1130 for sale in the US midwest

by kossow＠computerhistory.org

> Anybody know who 'doctor_death' happens to be? Pseudonym > for 'dkdkk' maybe :-) ? He is a 56 year old anesthesiologist in Salt Lake City. Delightful.. Always a joy to hear of another deep-pockets collector appearing.

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by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

On 12/6/06, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: > I might be getting it confused with a 3rd party chassis, but I'm > pretty sure I've seen a metal drive sled, rather than the standard > DEC Plastic sleds. At the same time, getting the thickness right is > what will cause problems I suspect. Hmm... I don't recall ever seeing a metal drive sled for a BA23 (the OP's expansion box), only black plastic, with maybe one translucent grey one out of the whole lot. >From what I remember about them, thickness is, of course, an important dimension, but really only the edges... the part under the drive can vary a bit and still leave room for a full-height drive, not that one is horribly likely to be using anything that large with the abundance of 1GB and 2GB 3.5" drives from their heyday 10 years ago. I'd thought of, essentially, taking a plexiglass sheet, cutting the outlines on a table saw (or whatever saw one has that can make long, straight cuts (i.e., probably not a hand saw without a bunch of filing), then using the dado blade and the fence to mill down the long sides to the requisite thickness to fit down the slides in the BA23. After that, the only fiddly bits are the drive screw holes and the latch hole for the front of the plate, unless I've forgotten some detail. I don't think the bent metal springs on the back of the plate are _essential_, only nice to have where possible. In case I've forgotten some detail, I was hoping someone with some experience fabricating replacements could chime in - I, for one, have no idea what any of the measurements might be, and I won't have a drive sled in front of me for a month. > >Viking and CMD controllers were also common, IIRC. > > It has been my experience that the Viking controllers were *very* > common and rebadged by at least a couple companies. All of my main > PDP-11's are using Viking QDT & UDT controllers. I can entirely believe that. > If he looks for a ESDI controller, I'd recommend the Webster WQESD/04 > controller. Personally it is the one non-SCSI 3rd party controller > I'd want to run (I did for several years). I've heard of that one, but I don't think I have any experience with it. > I've found one of the advantages of SCSI is that it's easy to use > drive trays to run multiple OS's. Absolutely - quick swap-in-out, easy to get one drive per OS, etc. > RT-11 is very nice. Agreed. > Somehow > either RSX-11M or RSX-11M+ seem a bit more appropriate for the system > in question. I'm not sure I'd recommend RSTS/E as a first OS. Agreed as well. I have nothing against RSTS/E, but having worked with all three OSes, I'd suggest learning something about RT-11 before tackling RSTS, and even then, seeing if RSX11M or M+ had something to offer before tackling RSTS. It has its place, but that place tended to be larger systems intended for multiple simultaneous users. The OP's CPU has plenty of horsepower to go around, but RSTS is complex enough that it might take a lot of work to get a system to the point where it's something fun to play on rather than a seemingly-perpetual exercise in software archaeology. I've done both RSTS and RSX sysgens... the RSX ones seemed to be more straightforward and resulted in a running system with less user intervention. > BTW, another advantage of SCSI is attaching a CD-ROM drive, which can > make installing an OS easier. True that. I have zero experience with CD-ROMs on PDP-11s, so owners of SCSI cards will have to chime in (to date, my only experience with Qbus SCSI is with MicroVAXen). -ethan

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New paper tape Images posted

by dave06a＠dunfield.com

Hi Gang, I've just posted several more Paper Tape images to my site. the new additions include: Cromemco Z80 Monitor Quite a bit of Cromemco Dazzler software TDL ZAP(ple) monitor, 8k-Basic, M-80 Macro assebler, text processing etc. I've also added a new "Paper Tape Viewer" to my Paper Tape Tools package, which lets you see what the paper tape contained in the images looked like - this is nice with the TDL tapes which have readable headers punched at the beginning of the images. Here's the description I included in the package: To further assist in verifying tape images, I have included a "Paper Tape Viewer" (PTV) utility, which allows you to see a visual representation of the paper tape image which you can compare to the physical tape. PTR can also show two images visually, allowing you to line them up for comparison, and placing indicators at points where they differ. Now I'm thinking about adding a "Paper Tape Emulator" to the package, which would "read" the images into your real system over a parallel or serial interface... ie: make a PC emulate a physical tape reader. I know how my OAE and H9 readers interface, however I don't know the details of other readers - I'm thinking I should make it somewhat programable and flexible enough that the user can configure the handshaking to just about anything reasonable, but I'd like to know more about the interfaces to actual readers - if anyone can send such details, please do. Dave -- dave06a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/index.html

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UAE users?

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

OK, back in the UK and I just installed UAE onto the laptop... Could some kind soul throw an A500 Kickstart ROM image this way to save me digging one of my A500 machines out [1] and transferring the image myself? I'll have to unearth one of the machines and mess around with transfer software / cables at some point, I know, but I'd quite like to try the emulator out first and see how good it is with some of the disk image files downloaded from the 'net... [1] Subject to copyright restrictions. I own a couple of A500s, so I can legally transfer them to a PC myself for the purposes of emulation. However, is it legal to ask someone else to send me a ROM image from *their* legal hardware? After all, that's not *my* ROM, even though the end result is indistinguishable... cheers Jules -- there's a carp in the tub there's a carp in the tub so nobody's taking a bath

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Looking for Don Y <dgy@DakotaCom.Net>

by legalize＠xmission.com

Hey, I just tried to email Don Y. regarding NCD X terminals and his address is bouncing. Don, if you're out there, can you email me? Thanks! -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>

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decompilation as archiving?

by marvin＠rain.org

One of the programs available sometime in the late 1980's was a program called Sourcer that included a program called BIOS Pre-procesor for the PC, a ROM BIOS Listing generator (V Communications.) Neat program and while I am not a programmer, it was fun to disassemble the ROM BIOS routines and take a look. The BIOS listing had enough comments to make it useful. > From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com> > > Has anyone considered decompilation (producing sources from binaries) > as a way of archiving system or application software that is defunct? > > I know lots of people have disassembled ROM listings and created > commented ASM listings from the ROM, but what about larger systems > where hand-disassembly is impractical?

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library book sales

by wbblair3＠yahoo.com

> I found no valuable computer-related books among the many TONS of books donated to my local > library system (I was their computer book evaluation specialist - most books went straight to the > paper recycling dumpster). I need to qualify my comment above from my previous post. A "rare" computer book to me means one >from the very early mainframe or minicomputer eras. I did see all kinds of donated early microcomputer books and software, but nothing from my favorite mainframe/minicomputer topic area. I served with the library before joining this list and saw many items that would probably have been of interest to members of this list. So, like I said, go to your library system's used book sales! AND, while there, tell them about the market for really old microcomputer and other computer books. They might not have the benefit of a volunteer computer geek on their staff to let them know what to keep and what to toss. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited

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library book sales

by wbblair3＠yahoo.com

> Have y'all had much luck acquiring vintage computer books/info via > library book sales? Out of appreciation for their valuable and FREE inter-library loan service to me in my many requests for rare books on many esoteric topics (including a Konrad Zuse book about his Z3 relay computer of which there were only 8 copies nationwide), I volunteered a year of my service to the used book sales effort within my big city library system. Since most cities of any size now have computerized systems which quickly identify books that haven't been checked out for long periods, the odds of finding a older computer book from _within_ a library system are becoming increasingly lower. However, books donated to the library system by individuals can be a different case. I found no valuable computer-related books among the many TONS of books donated to my local library system (I was their computer book evaluation specialist - most books went straight to the paper recycling dumpster). However, I have no idea of how many old and valuable computer books may have been tossed into a dumpster _before_ they got to me due to branch library efforts to thin the donated book numbers before shipping them to our central facility. Many rare books of other types are received and other topic specialists often recognized those. However, I caught a rare one that nearly got away for the standard $2 large-format hardbound book price! While were were stocking the warehouse for one of our very large book sales, I was given a box of books donated by someone who was obviously into the Olympics since youth and was told to simply place them with all of the other large format books. Within that group of books was a MINT condition two-volume, large format German photo album set published in 1936 entitled "DIE OLYMPISCHEN SPIELE 1936." It was about the 1936 (Nazi) Summer Olympics and was sent from a German uncle to his nephew Hans in the US (per inscription). This book had already been through numerous bookworm hands before I finally caught its value. Moral of the story: go to your library book sales!!! You help your library system financially and may be helping yourself to a rare book or two in the process. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com

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OT: Anyone getting fun toys for the holidays?

by evan＠snarc.net

Whether vintage computer parts, electronics, or whatever .... just thought it would be a fun discussion thread. Rumor has it that the Chanukah fairy* is bringing a cold air intake kit for my Miata. Extra 25 horsepower. Fun!! :) - Evan * Hey, we don't have Santa, okay?

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library book sales

by JEphraim＠ci.southlake.tx.us

> Have y'all had much luck acquiring vintage computer books/info via > library book sales? (I'm a librarian in a public library) There are generally three things you can do to maximize your chances of getting some interesting classic computer books from libraries: 1) Let the librarian who is responsible for sorting donations know that you are interested in older computer/technical books. In many cases (s)he will pull them for you and let you buy them before the big sale, especially if the library has an ongoing sale shelf that runs year-round. Many libraries automatically recycle out-of-date computer books, since they don't sell that well. If that is the case, they may be willing to give them to you for free. 2) Get to the big sale early - before it technically opens, if you can. Book dealers swarm these sales, and are often the first in line when the door opens. Many of them carry cellphone/barcode scanner combination devices that give them up-to-the-minute eBay prices on books, so they will often grab handfuls of anything that is old (regardless of type or genre), stack them on the floor, and then sit down to see what they are worth. 3) Go to sales in libraries that are in sections of the city where a lot of technical folks live. Wealthy suburbs (where older tech folks might retire), areas near high-tech companies, and areas surrounding universities are good spots. A couple of libraries in my area are located near Sabre, Nokia, and a few other companies that tend to hire a lot of techies. As a result, these libraries tend to get higher numbers of donations of older tech stuff than you would find in other libraries. Remember that weeded books generally only account for a fraction of a library book sale - most of the books come from donations. - Jesse

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REQUEST: Looking for a VME64x backplane or chassis

by RMeenaks＠olf.com

I need a true 5-pin VME64x backplane or chassis for my VME-based UltraSPARC system. Does anyone have any? I do have a VME chassis, but it is the standard 3-pin VME which will not help me... Thanks, Ram

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Mac IIfx SIMMs, Continued from about 1 year ago...

by jvdg＠sparcpark.net

Jeff Walther wrote: > Leaving out a lot of stuff over the last year that probably no-one > wants to read about, I finally built some 16MB SIMMs for the Mac IIfx. [...] That is great news. Will you be making your schematics and PCB designs public? I have two RAM-starved IIfx's here that could be put to good use with a little memory added. ,xtG tsooJ

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Mac IIfx SIMMs, Continued from about 1 year ago...

by trag＠io.com

Leaving out a lot of stuff over the last year that probably no-one wants to read about, I finally built some 16MB SIMMs for the Mac IIfx. Suffice it to say that I took a circuitous route to getting my boards made and there were many layouts along the way. The IIfx uses an oddball 64 pin SIMM which is nearly identical to 30 pin SIMMs, *except* the data-out and data-in busses are separate. This allows the memory controller to latch the data for writes, signal the CPU that the transaction is complete in two cycles, and then proceed with the actual write to RAM. Since the write data is sitting in a little buffer-to-SIMM cul'de'sac it does not interfere with other use of the data bus. Memory chips which are X 1 memory chips (e.g. 16M X 1) have separate data in and data out pins, though in most SIMMs, they're simply tied together and run to the SIMM data bus. I had a small supply of 16M X 1 chips on hand, so first I built some 16MB SIMMs with eight 16M X 1 chips each. That was very straight-forward, no surprises and worked fine. That is not the interesting part. Next I built some SIMMs out of 16M X 4 memory chips, of which I have a much larger supply. The problem with 16M X 4 chips for this application is that they do not have separate data-in and data-out pins. They have combined D/Q pins. This presents a problem as simply tieing them together would mean that the buffered writes would interfere with other activity on the data bus. Most of the discussion a year ago was how to get around that problem. I finally tested it. This is the (I hope) interesting part. My first idea was to use a pair of octal buffers per SIMM, such as the TI SN74ABT241. Four of the eight buffers are controlled by an active_low OE and four of them are controlled by an active_high OE. This makes it convenient to use one buffer per 16M X 4 chip. I planned to use WE_ to control the buffers. The active_low buffers would route data from the D/Q chip pins to the SIMM data_in pins. The active_high buffers would route data from the D/Q chip pins to the SIMM data_out pins. Before trying it I realized that the flaw in this plan was that when the output of the memory chips is high-Z (high impedance/no signal) the buffer would still be trying to drive some deterministic output onto the data bus as long as WE was high. My next thought was to invert CAS and logically AND it with WE to control the data_out buffers. The data_in buffers would still be controlled by WE alone. That way the data_out pins of the SIMM would only be driven when there was actually a Read taking place. However, the timing on this looks wonky. Data out from a read is usually held a while after CAS goes high again, but this scheme would cut off the data_out signal (switch back to high-Z) very shortly after CAS goes high. My third idea was to ask this list if there was some component that would just pass the signal along, including high-Z signals. Someone pointed me at a family of components which led me to FET Bus Switches. So an octal bus switch such as the SN74CBT3244 looked like a good option. The only problem with the SN74CBT3244 is that both OEs are active low (each OE controls four of the eight switches). I wish there was a SN74CBT3241 with one active low and one active high OE. So, I simply controlled the OE for the data_in pins with the WE signal and controlled the OE for the data_out pins with the inverted WE signal. SC-70 packaged inverters are *tiny*. Ultimately, the SIMMS based on 16M X 4 chips with two SN74CBT3244 octal switches controlled by WE and inverted WE switching between data_in and data_out worked. The other two configurations using the SN74ABT241 octal buffers did not work. I tried both control configurations. I tried two different assemblies. And when the second one did not work, I converted it to the SN74CBT3244 configuration just to test whether the memory chips were good. After the conversion to the workable control circuitry the SIMM worked. So, unless I received a bad batch of SN74ABT241 chips, I'd say that the Bus Switching scheme works and the Buffer scheme does not work. When I tested my first SN74CBT3244 controlled SIMM I placed it in the D24 - D31 SIMM socket, while the other three SIMMs were the conventional ones built from 16M X 1 chips. It almost booted, but not quite. Moving the SN74CBT3244 controlled SIMM to any of the other three sockets resulted in it working, but it would not work in that one socket. Hoping that the problem had something to do with combining SIMMs of such different components, I built a second SN74CBT3244 controlled SIMM. With that one installed in the D16 - D23 socket, the original in the D24 - D31 socket and the other two sockets with 16M X 1 based SIMMs the machine booted and passed memory tests. Similarly the machine works fine with three and four of the SN74CBT3244 controlled SIMMs installed. Any idea why it would not work when just one SIMM was different and installed in that one socket? Much of the IIfx's peripherals seem to use only 8 bits and the 8 bits they use appear to be D24 - D31, so I would guess it has something to do with that. Also, I've always heard/read that when a machine needs four SIMMs at a time, one should install SIMMs of the same manufacture and composition. But why is that true, electrically and logically? If the SIMMs meet timing specification, shouldn't they work together even if they're built of wildly different components? What difference does it make if some SIMMs are 60 ns and others are effectively 70ns if the machine requires 80ns and so they're all meeting spec? Or why should it matter if some SIMMs have a bit more drive current or sink a bit more current on writes than others, as long as they are all within specfications? Yet it seems that it matters. Why? I could understand it if some memory chips were 13 X 11 addressed and others were 12 X 12, but these are *all* 12 X 12, so that is not the issue here. So why should combining SIMMs built from 16X1 chips with SIMMs built from 16X4 chips not work in some configurations? Yet when placed in like groups they work fine? Jeff Walther

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ebay dilema

by teoz＠neo.rr.com

What do you do when you buy a small lot of items, a piece that you wanted is not included (shown in the picture and stated in the inventory), and the seller does not respond to your questions (but you paid very little for the lot and there was a couple extra things included)? What would you people do?

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ebay dilema

by marvin＠rain.org

> From: "Teo Zenios" <teoz at neo.rr.com> > What do you do when you buy a small lot of items, a piece that you wanted is not included (shown in the picture and > stated in the inventory), and the seller does not respond to your questions (but you paid very little for the lot and > there was a couple extra things included)? What would you people do? For some reason, a number of people feel that spam filters are okay on their ebay email address. Others seem to feel that it is okay to check their email every week or two. You haven't said how long you've been waiting, but I would suggest at least a week. Personally, unless it was something important, I'd just forget it, and leave neutral feedback saying the piece you wanted wasn't included, but there were extra things.

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