Hi folks,
I just read your responses to my TU56 lamp question. That brought the
"lamp discussion" back to onto my mind.
I have some information to share, perhaps it might help:
I recently got a box of original lamps from a retired DEC service
engineer. The blue ones (blue seemed to be VERY important as someone
also wrote the word "blue" onto the box!).
The box is labelled "Oshino Sub-miniature Lamp".
Made by Oshino Electric Lamps Works, Ltd, Shinagawa, Tokyo, Japan.
The box calls the lamps "OL-2, 10V, 40mA". The part number is 12-09129.
The "OL-2" is stamped onto the box along with the ratings. The part
number is written by hand - together with the "blue". The lamps carry
the part number.
(I have another box with lamps for RK05 etc. They have the part number
on the box and "OL-1" directly on the lamps.)
Now I used google - and Oshino is still around! I found their German
website with some part lists. All article numbers start with "OL-".
The T1 3/4 sized bi-pin lamp that takes 40mA at 10V is now called
"OL-367BP". Perhaps it's just the same.
The light output is told to be 0.08 MSCd.
The company's logo is the same as on my box and the CEO's name is
Takeshi Oshino. So there is a good chance to get the original lamps.
I have not yet checked if the lamps I got were the same I find in my
machines, but the brightness perfectly matches and they come from DEC.
Stored together with little boxes containing new DEC labelled ICs and
transistors. That should vouch for them.
Best wishes,
Philipp :-)
Hi,
I've got a Mac Quadra 660AV which refuses to install any system software,
except System 7.1, which it refuses to boot from (apparently it needs a newer
version, but web pages about the Mac say it should work). I've tried System
7.1, 7.5 through 7.5.3, and Mac OS 7.6.
It happens right at the end of the install, when the system is being
finalised. I've replaced the battery, cleared the NVRAM, updated the disk
driver and set the date. I'm using the original hard drive.
Does anyone have any ideas?
Alexis.
Heya all, doing the annual display request for the museum hall of the
Midwest Gaming Classic. Looking for people from the list who
specialize in classic computers to run a display area for their
computer of choice at the show. I cover the bulk of of the pre-'84
consoles and computers, so it's harder for me to set up as dedicated a
display as somone who specializes.
The MGC is an all encompasing electronic entertainment show (consoles,
computers and coin-ops from past to present). We hit around 4000
people this past year's show, and are expecting even more growth with
the move closer in to Milwaukee this year (we're at about 30,000 sq.
ft now as well). Besides the retro crowd, most of our actual
attendance are the casual and family gamers of all ages, so it's a
chance to expose this great hobby to a newer generation. Currently we
have people coming to support their own Commodore and TI areas.
Here's photos from the show this past March to give everyone a feel
for the show:
Museum area
http://www.flickr.com/photos/91071283 at N00/sets/72157615834963880/
Underdog Chamber (also in the museum hall)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/91071283 at N00/sets/72157615746538685/
Family Game Room (also in the museum hall)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/91071283 at N00/sets/72157615835258766/
Competition Area
http://www.flickr.com/photos/91071283 at N00/sets/72157615745281965/
Coin-ops
http://www.flickr.com/photos/91071283 at N00/sets/72157615745260231/
Vendling hall
http://www.flickr.com/photos/91071283 at N00/sets/72157615745200729/
It's Saturday, March 27, 2010 from 10:00am to 8:00pm and Sunday, March
28, 2010 from 10:00am to 5:00pm, at the at the Brookfield Sheraton,
just outside Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Please contact me if you're interested in helping out, or
midwestgamingclassic.com if you're interested in the show in general.
Thanks!
Marty
I actually got some good deals from ebay today. One was an amiga 1200. It
included a 68030-50 accelerator board (with scsi controller), 3 external
scsi-2 hard drives, an external nec scsi cdrom drive, a 3com pcmcia network
adapter, a commodore 1902 monitor, and about 300 floppy disks. (I will
never run out of floppy disks again, lol) That was $250. I also bought a
power computing ppc604e mac clone with a 17" (i think) apple monitor,
several keyboards, and a mouse. That one was $20. :-)
He also mentioned another computer that he'll be pulling out shortly. He
claims it's an ibm 5150 or 5160 with original cga monitor and... a 386
upgrade board. Not sure what's up with that, or even if he'll want a
reasonable price for it. I guess we'll see what happens with that.
brian
Hi,
Anyone near Grove City, PA ??? I have a solder rework station out
there that needs to be picked up, its about 100lbs or so and I don't
want to chance it being shipped. I'm willing to meet off of Route 84
to anyone willing to pick it up and make the trip part (or most) of the
way to Carmel, NY (its about a 5+ drive each way and I'm not allowed to
drive more then 2 hrs right now because of the heart surgeries I had.)
I'm willing to pay anyone for the pickup and delivery, let me know
off-list, thank you.
Curt
> I also found this: http://www.pdp8.net/tu56/tu56.shtml
> in which Dave G. describes a successful use of the CM2182 (14V,
> 80ma) bulb in this application.
>
I just replaced one of them again last week so I had taken a picture of
the indicator disassembled.
It is now up at
http://www.pdp8online.com/tu56/pics/p1000839.shtml?small
If your TU56 -15V input is high you may run this bulb above their rated
voltage shortening their life.
Hi folks,
> Well I was. Was the difference the fact video stopped when the cpu
> was not in the idle key press loop?
There's quite a few differences between the ZX80 & ZX81.
The ZX81 supported 'compute and display' thanks to its more 'advanced'
video chip!
The ZX81 was (AFAIK) the first use of a gate-array chip in a home computer!
The ZX81 had an 8K ROM with floating point arithmetic, 'graphics';
decent string-handling and ZX printer support!
The ZX81 syntax-checker was nicer.
The ZX81 had a heat-sink that worked!
The ZX81 was unbelievably slow!
The ZX80 had that certain 'je ne sais quoi' that makes it at least
worth 10x more than any ZX81. I'm convinced about this, being the lucky
owner of one* ;-)
-cheers from Julz @P
* It was given to me as well, for which I'm really thankful!
There was a company called "Athena Computer and Electronic Systems"
based in San Juan Capistrano, California in the early 1980s. The
president was David Mitchell. Anyone know where I can find him today?
Or does anyone know of other people who worked there?
There is a Data General Eclipse MV/9000-U CPU (and cabinet/power supply if
you want that) available in Hayward, California. Further model
information is "G11202-G7".
I don't know much about this.
Photos here:
http://siconic.com/crap/hayward/
Someone apparently dropped it since I last saw it. Don't know what damage
has occured, but at least the photos give you a general idea of the size.
My guess is if you want this you'll just want the CPU. It's in
there...somewhere.
Contact me directly if interested.
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2009/10/21 Mark Tapley <mtapley at swri.edu>:
> At 12:00 -0500 10/21/09, Dan wrote:
>>
>> If you have time it would be great to know if the machine will start
>> up with all the boards pulled except the i/o. It would narrow down
>> diagnostics.
>>
>> Dan
>
> Will try, subject to 1) I think I won't be able to get to it until Friday,
> and 2) not if anyone thinks that might cause problems with my machine. I'll
> let you know as soon as I can!
> --
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Mark ? ? 210-379-4635
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Large Asteroids headed toward planets
> inhabited by beings that don't have
> technology adequate to stop them:
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.
>
Thanks, that would be great.
Dan
At 12:00 -0500 10/21/09, Dan wrote:
>If you have time it would be great to know if the machine will start
>up with all the boards pulled except the i/o. It would narrow down
>diagnostics.
>
>Dan
Will try, subject to 1) I think I won't be able to get to it until
Friday, and 2) not if anyone thinks that might cause problems with my
machine. I'll let you know as soon as I can!
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Large Asteroids headed toward planets
inhabited by beings that don't have
technology adequate to stop them:
Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.
There is a very nice condition (excellent cosmetic/physical) Kaypro II
(branded Non-Linear Systems, so it's early) available in Hayward,
California.
I've turned it on and booted it up and it seems to work just fine. The
video is nice and crisp.
It's a really nice Kaypro II, with minor wear. I believe it is missing
one of the keys on the numeric keypad, but otherwise is complete.
While it is not mine, I am selling it for the owner. Please contact me
directly with an offer if you're interested. Will ship to anywhere.
The same model sold earlier in the year at the ACCRC auction for a $151
high bid, FYI.
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Is anyone coming north through Piscataway, NJ who'd be willing to pickup a
small disk drive subsystem for me and transport it closer to Burlington,
VT? I could pick it up around Thanksgiving if it ended up between VT and
NYC.
TIA!
Steve
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I was recently given an HP1000 A900 which I don?t have time to do anything
with, so if someone wants it for the cost of shipping (it's big and heavy!),
contact me offline. It has a CPU and 2 memory cards as well as several I/O
cards (12005, 12009, 12040). It powers up and LEDs on the CPU card blink
but I have no way to test it further.
Richard
I've just found three boxes of what we used to call "broadlisting"
paper, ie 14.5" wide fanfold listing paper, music-ruled. Each box is
2000 sheets. All is free to a good home or homes, providing it is
picked up from here within a week or so. I'm in York, UK. Any takers?
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Network Manager
University of York
Ok, so it's stretching the definition of "computer" but it _does_ have a
BASIC programming cartridge and it IS classic (1978) so I think it
qualifies... Got me a Bally Astrocade that appears to have a dead I/O
chip. From the service manual, this is a custom chip listed as PN
"0066-117XX-XXYX"... I figure it's a long shot, but anyone out there
have spare parts for these? I figure if anyone knows, they're on this
list :).
Thanks as always,
Josh
2009/10/20 Mark Tapley <mtapley at swri.edu>:
> At 12:00 -0500 10/20/09, Doc replied to Dan:
>>
>> Dan Williams wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I just turned on my Alphaserver 2100 after being powered off for
>>> ?around 6 months. It will not power up at all. I have reseated
>>> ?everything and tried a new PSU. Anyone got any ideas what would stop
>>> ?this machine from powering up ?. The service manual just mentions the
>>> ?door switch which seems ok.
>>
>> ? ASSuming you're working with a deskside and not a rackmount, the door
>> switch may be the problem. ?I've had 2 AS2100s fail to power on when the
>> PCB in the LCD/switch panel became loose in its mounts. ?It's mounted on
>> 4 split pins and the PCB wears and I think the pins lose their spring,
>> so when you close the door it pushes the whole board aside instead of
>> closing the switch.
>>
>> ? The fix was insanely difficult and technically challenging - I jammed
>> the point of a plastic toothpick into the center of each of the split
>> pins and cut it off flush. ?:-)
>>
>>
>> ? ? ? ?Doc
>
> Dan,
> ? ? ? ?I also have an AS2100 4/275 deskside, I think. If there are useful
> tests that won't toast my machine, I can try to dig it out and run them for
> you if it'll help. Mine also hasn't been on in many moons, though, and I
> have not had a chance to get familiar with it at all. :-( .
> ? ? ? ?I assume you have access to all the documentation you want?
> --
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Mark ? ? 210-379-4635
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Large Asteroids headed toward planets
> inhabited by beings that don't have
> technology adequate to stop them:
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.
>
If you have time it would be great to know if the machine will start
up with all the boards pulled except the i/o. It would narrow down
diagnostics.
Dan
My good friend Robert Arnold has a very nice pile of NeXT stuff, including
several complete cube systems with keyboards, mice, laser printer,
scanner, etc.
Photos available here:
http://siconic.com/crap/rax/
Located in Oakland, California.
Terms are pick-up only. I would imagine Robert MIGHT be willing to ship
this if you ply him with enough money, but it would have to be a
compelling amount (as in an amount that would be required to hire someone
else to do it professionally). He simply does not want to hassle with
shipping.
The entire lot is for sale for $1,500. I think that's a pretty screaming
bargain considering all that is there. He would also consider a partial
trade for a recent vintage Macintosh notebook or desktop.
More information below.
Please contact Robert directly if you are interested.
Reply-to: Robert Arnold <warbaby at warbaby.com>
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:17:12 -0700
From: Robert Arnold <warbaby at warbaby.com>
To: sellam at vintagetech.com
Subject: NeXT Photos
Hi Sam -
This is prolly more photos than you need, but I wanted to show
everything that is there. I'd like to get $1500 for everything - or
will take a recent MacBook, iMac, or MacMini in part trade.
[ these are captions for the photos Robert sent me - SI ]
There's one more monitor in a carton
Two cubes, keyboards, speaker box, CD drive, cables
Two more cubes, two keyboards
Two more keyboards (one Kanji)
Scanner, more keyboards
HD case with drive, software disks
Manuals
More manuals
Cables, mousies
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Hi All,
I found 3 tapes, 2 are containing TCPWARE for OpenVMS v4.0-5 on TK-50's
and a TK-50 containing 'ScriptServer printing system' V3.2-8 from
GayMatter.
Anybody interested in them?
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At 12:00 -0500 10/20/09, Doc replied to Dan:
>Dan Williams wrote:
>> I just turned on my Alphaserver 2100 after being powered off for
>> around 6 months. It will not power up at all. I have reseated
>> everything and tried a new PSU. Anyone got any ideas what would stop
>> this machine from powering up ?. The service manual just mentions the
>> door switch which seems ok.
>
> ASSuming you're working with a deskside and not a rackmount, the door
>switch may be the problem. I've had 2 AS2100s fail to power on when the
>PCB in the LCD/switch panel became loose in its mounts. It's mounted on
>4 split pins and the PCB wears and I think the pins lose their spring,
>so when you close the door it pushes the whole board aside instead of
>closing the switch.
>
> The fix was insanely difficult and technically challenging - I jammed
>the point of a plastic toothpick into the center of each of the split
>pins and cut it off flush. :-)
>
>
> Doc
Dan,
I also have an AS2100 4/275 deskside, I think. If there are
useful tests that won't toast my machine, I can try to dig it out and
run them for you if it'll help. Mine also hasn't been on in many
moons, though, and I have not had a chance to get familiar with it at
all. :-( .
I assume you have access to all the documentation you want?
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Large Asteroids headed toward planets
inhabited by beings that don't have
technology adequate to stop them:
Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.
I just turned on my Alphaserver 2100 after being powered off for
around 6 months. It will not power up at all. I have reseated
everything and tried a new PSU. Anyone got any ideas what would stop
this machine from powering up ?. The service manual just mentions the
door switch which seems ok.
Thanks
Dan
Folks,
Starting this coming Sunday (10/18), I'm planning to embark on a
road trip in a truck from SW Florida to Poughkeepsie, NY, then to
Boston, then back through the Columbus, OH area. I will have LOTS of
extra room (at least half of a 28' truck) on all legs of this trip.
The truck has a hydraulic lift gate and I have experience moving big,
heavy computer equipment.
I can be bribed to move big stuff along this route, should that be
of use to anyone. I'm looking to defray the cost of the trip for my
employer, but if it doesn't cost any extra money (i.e., not too far
out of the way and not too time-consuming) I can be bribed with Cool
Stuff too.
Also, if anyone along that route has any spare DEC H960 racks or
RA60 drives (preferably functional) that they want to unload, I'd
happily take them away. :)
-Dave
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Hi guys,
Does anyone know what the largest capacity MFM or RLL (i.e.
ST-506/ST-412 type interface) hard disk was? I know the AT drive types
go from 0 to 46 (plus user defined type 47), and the largest of these is
#46: 1224 cyls, 15 heads, 17 secs (152MB). Question is, did anyone
ever make an MFM drive that big, or was that strictly IDE territory?
I know 80MB and 120MB IDE drives existed -- I used to have a Conner
120MB that was an utter pig to make work with any other drive, and I
still have an IBM WDA-L80 80MB IDE drive. Thus far, the largest MFM
drive I've found is the Micropolis 1325 (85.3Mbytes unformatted).
Reason I'm asking is that I'm working on the seek logic for the disc
analyser. At the moment, you can seek 127 cylinders at a time in either
direction (there isn't a track-counter on the hardware, so all seeks are
relative) and I was wondering if there's any point in increasing this
further to accommodate drives with higher track counts.
Cheers,
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http://www.philpem.me.uk/
Hi! I just finished building and testing the new N8VEM VDU board PCB
version. It is a 6545 based video board for monochrome character display on
your home brew computer much like a KayPro 10 display. It works OK and
provides a composite video display, PS/2 keyboard, PS/2 mouse and a parallel
port printer interfaces.
It is meant for the N8VEM SBC but the design is general enough it should be
useable on most any Z80 style system. If you are interested in building
your own and/or writing software for the N8VEM VDU please contact me.
When the SBC, ECB backplane, Disk IO board and VDU are combined they offer
the potential for a completely stand alone home brew Z80 CP/M computer. The
software for the VDU is still in development and it
There are pictures and code on the N8VEM wiki in the VDU folder. Schematics
and PCB layout are available. I have several PCBs. Constructive comments
welcome. Please no flames.
Thanks and have a nice day!
Andrew Lynch
I "need" two of these things at $121 a piece. So I figure I'll start
ebaying some things to feed my habit. If anyone would like a working amiga
2000 with hard drive or a steel case commodore 128D, let me know. I'd
prefer to make a deal with someone on the list than to put up with ebay. I
also have three JVC TM-9U 9" studio color monitors with BNCs and RCAs on the
back. thanks.
brian
Sorry, that's "Controller" not "Controllers"
Hi! I seem to recall there was a scanned version of the "CRT Controller
Handbook" by Gerry Kane online someplace. Does anyone know if that is true
and if so, where?
Thanks and have a nice day!
Andrew Lynch
PS, I already have the print edition but a scanned edition would be very
helpful.
Hi! I seem to recall there was a scanned version of the "CRT Controllers
Handbook" by Gerry Kane online someplace. Does anyone know if that is true
and if so, where?
Thanks and have a nice day!
Andrew Lynch
PS, I already have the print edition but a scanned edition would be very
helpful.
I am moving ou of some office space I have occupied forty years and
have come across a large cache of hard sectored NorthStar CP/M
diskettes that I would like to obtain the data from, a daunting task.
I have long wished to obtain a MicroSolutions MatchPoint board to
try this before my diskettes decompose. Would you consider either
selling me your board or loaning it to me for a fee? Inthe latter
case I would return it to you with the .286-based computer I would
have to build to access it. I am located in Southern California. Are
you interested. They are hard to comr by.
Sincerely,
John Riley
Sent from my iPhone
Anyone out there have the 3.4.2 drivers for the OrangePCi card? This is a
WinChip-type PC-on-a-card for classic Macs. Orange Micro seems defunct and
all the echo chamber download sites simply point to it.
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Hi all,
I recently picked up a TU81plus.
It came with all cables, but the UNIBUS interface (M8739) was missing.
The TU81 successfully passes diagnostic test 01. I would like to connect
the TU81 to my VAX-11/750, and remove the (not connected) Kennedy
9610. I know ... the Kennedy is capable of more densities (800, 1600,
3200, and 6250) and is smaller (a lot). But the TU81 is original DEC ...
So, does anybody have the M8739 module spare? May be we can
trade something, else there is PayPal ...
thanks,
- Henk
www.pdp-11.nl
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From: "Rob Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:38 PM
Subject: RE: annoying ebay behavior
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
>> bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Brian Lanning
>> Sent: 17 October 2009 18:48
>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>> Subject: annoying ebay behavior
>>
>> I had a bid on a laser 128 computer, working complete with power
>> supply. It
>> had been listed in the past for too high a price. This time, the pirce
>> was
>> reasonable though so I bid. There was a second one with a matching
>> external
>> floppy also. I was hoping to make an offer on all of it at the end of
>> the
>> auction. Yesterday, the items disappeared. I guess the seller pulled
>> the
>> items. I wish there were a more sane place to trade this stuff. I
>> guess I
>> have just have to wait for somoene to give up another storage facility.
>> lol thanks for putting up with my venting.
>
> I have seen this technique used by people trying to avoid the higher fees
> associated with a higher starting price and/or a reserve. If they think
> the
> bidding won't meet the reserve they have set themselves (and not told eBay
> about) then they pull the item before the end. When someone did this to me
> I
> let it go the first time as there might have been a genuine reason, but
> when
> the same person did the same thing after relisting I sent a complaint to
> eBay, after this was repeated a couple of times eBay contacted the seller
> (I
> know because he complained about it in the actual listing when he relisted
> again).
>
> Regards
>
> Rob
>
I have seen people pull auctions without bids before they end, but pulling
items with bids (and a bunch of people watching ready to snipe at the end)
is not common.
Hi
Do you still have the Grid 1520? Did you get it up? If not I may be able to help
My name is Bill Whitmer. I work for ITT. I've had some success repairing the 1520.
Bill Whitmer
bill.whitmer at itt.com
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Philip Pemberton wrote:
> Hi guys,
> Does anyone know what the largest capacity MFM or RLL (i.e.
> ST-506/ST-412 type interface) hard disk was?
And then there was the Maxtor X1240R circa 2Q1987, 239.98 MB using RLL
Tom
Does anyone know anything about a Tullamore/Victoreen SCIPP 1600? I
have found one of these, and it appears to be some sort of computer-
based "analyzer" from the 70s, but I can't find much using google,
besides references in papers to having used one.
A few crappy pics here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vax-o-matic/sets/72157622536984302/
Pat
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Pontus <pontus at update.uu.se> wrote:
>> Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
>> > Hi.
>> >
>> > I was browsing ebay and found these two auctions:
>> >
>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/PDP8-PDP-8-pdp8e-Source-Printout_W0QQitemZ290359238887
>> >
>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/PDP8-PDP-8-pdp8e-TECO-Source-Printout_W0QQitemZ29035927…
>> >
>> > I don't know if source listings where normally distributed or if this is
>> > a rare find, perhaps even something that should go to a museum. Is this
>> > source readily available?
>> >
>> > If not, I hope whoever buys it will scan it an preserve it, I'm
>> > considering doing it myself.
>> >
>> > Kind Regards,
>> > Pontus.
>> >
>
> No replies? surely someone must know if this unique or available to
> anyone with a set of OS/8 tapes?
Pretty sure I've seen the sources already on the net.
Pretty sure I also have them somewhere.
I definitely have TECO-8. And it was available from the DECUS library in
the past, but that was many years ago by now. (That's where I got it from.)
Maybe you should start looking at our own ftp archive? :-)
Johnny
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Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
As I didn't end up getting the OMR-2000 that ended on ebay yesterday,
I'm still sort of looking for a punch card reader, preferably something
that's functional, and that won't take too much effort to connect to a
machine I already have (eg, one of the surplus Documation? 2000 election
units).
I don't have a big budget for this, or any REAL need, but I do have some
cards I'd like to archive at some point from Purdue's old CDC gear, and
of course who doesn't need to have a punch card setup laying around??
Pat
--
Purdue University Research Computing --- http://www.rcac.purdue.edu/
The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org
"Ed Groenenberg" <quapla at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Has anybody heard of a 6502 assembler running under RSX-11M?
> And is there any documentation for it?
Pretty sure there have been one or two in the DECUS archives. But I'd
have to make some searches to locate it. But you can perhaps do that
yourself on trailing edge?
Johnny
Hey,
I watched the following auction, just for curiosity:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290357667738
Now it has ended. The 12 tapes went for $430!!!
None of those has an original DEC label. Is there anything extremely important on them?
Or are DECTape reels rare, uncommon and valuable?
Any ideas?
Regards,
Philipp
--
http://www.hachti.de
Hi, All,
Some of the equipment I have has been through the wringer before it
got to me so I have a couple of items of unpainted, galvanized steel
where the galvanization is gone in patches larger than your hand and
the steel underneath has oxidized to black (not so bad) or red (not so
good). At the moment, I'm dealing with a single-board-computer "base"
and a semi-custom rack shelf that both need some help. I know I can
treat red iron oxide (rust) with naval jelly, but then I still have
bare steel with no galvanization. I'm not expecting to get a
cosmetically perfect item, but is there a good way to restore/protect
things like this, or should I just expect to paint the entire item (it
would look strange to just paint the formerly-galvanized area).
Obviously, descaling, sanding and painting is one way to deal with
this. I'm looking for possible alternatives.
Thanks for any suggestions or pointers,
-ethan
Al Kossow wrote:
>
> I annouced a few months ago that the agreement had been signed.
>
> I'm attaching a pdf. If the attachement gets eaten, i'll put it
> on bitsavers under http://bitsavers.org/bits/HP/
>
Looks like the message was eaten.
The pdf is on bitsavers for you to take a look at.
CHM hasn't issued a press release about it since we're still doing things
like trying to convert the interleaf formatted manuals to pdfs and are organizing
what we have.
What HP actually donated was materal from about the last 10 years of the product's
life (RTE-A, mostly). The earlier code is coming from other holdings.
>
> I know you mention it in the Subject: line, but there are many models of
> Teletype (and even more teletypes, using the term generically). Please
> specify this is an ASR33.
>
I have more or less fixed my Teletype Model ASR33. The pieces are out of
alignment, but overall it's minimally functional.
Bill
Al writes:
> Brian Lanning wrote:
>> He says that all of the floppy file formats just end up being a series of
>> blocks one after another so that all you need to know is the block size and
>> the number of sectors per track.
>I didn't know if I should laugh or cry when I read that sentence. It certainly
>explains why software support from the vendor for the board is so poor if he
>seriously believes that.
Everybody has to draw boundaries over what they're gonna try to do, and what they not try to do.
I think it is reasonable for the Catweasel people to say they only log transitions on the floppy and that they don't try to do anything else.
Other people can pick up where their expertise comes in.
Details of file formats of every obsolete 12-bit OS is not something I would trust the Catweasel people to do in fact.
I know of floppy disk formats that in fact are not in fact fixed sector size, they are more like a cassette tape filesystem where sectors vary in length as necessary.
Remember Al, that's why we go for image files as the actual archive with everything else just an interpretation or display.
As Tom Lehrer wrote:
"once the rockets are up
who cares where they come down
that's not my department,
says Wernher von Braun"
Tim.
Just a suggestion but I had a KSR33 which did much the same.
There was a piece of thin flat (spring?) steel on the carriage which
got broken.
On doing a carriage return, the ratchet mechanism which normally moves
the head to the right gets dis-engaged.
When the carriage gets back to the left, the piece of steel pushes
against an arm which re-engaged the ratchet, only on mine it wasn't.
On 12 Oct 2009, at 18:00, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote:
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:17:22 -0400
> From: B Degnan <billdeg at degnanco.com>
> Subject: ASR 33 not horizontally spacing
> To: cctech at classiccmp.org
> Message-ID: <4AD24B62.9050706 at degnanco.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I knocked over my previously working teletype.
>
> After locating all of the pieces, I carefully re-installed as much I
> could. The whole thing came apart, little pieces everywhere. The
> typewriter became detached from the keyboard. Pretty bad.
>
> I almost got it working, but there is one thing that I cannot seem
> to fix.
>
> The problem is that the print head is not moving horizontally along
> the
> line, it just says in place and types each character on top of itself.
>
> I do know that the teletype is sending data correctly from the
> keyboard
> to the computer through the serial cable, and the computer is
> receiving
> the commands. Output from the computer to the teletype is received and
> the print head itself is printing the correct characters. The
> problem is
> that the print head is not being moved to the right/horizontally. I
> can
> manually move the print head while in a operation (I can send a punch
> command to the printout paper for example) and if I time it just
> right I
> can space out the printed characters manually so I can see what has
> been
> sent from the computer.
>
> Can anyone help identify the fix?
>
> I would be willing to travel to someone with experience who repairs
> these (w/i 250 miles of Wilmington, Delaware), we can talk offline
> about
> service fees/trades. I have a lot of spare teletype and other parts.
> Worst case I guess I will offer buy another stock ASR 33 if anyone has
> one and this one can't be fixed. Is there such thing as teletype
> repair
> in the Philadelphia - Washington DC area?
>
> Here are some pics, if they do any good. I can take more of targeted
> locations.
> http://vintagecomputer.net/teletype/asr33/2009/
>
> Bill Degnan
>
>
I know this is a long shot, but does anyone here have a spare
keyboard for a Sanyo MBC-3000 system? I have an opportunity to get
one, but the keyboard is nowhere to be found.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
I knocked over my previously working teletype.
After locating all of the pieces, I carefully re-installed as much I
could. The whole thing came apart, little pieces everywhere. The
typewriter became detached from the keyboard. Pretty bad.
I almost got it working, but there is one thing that I cannot seem to fix.
The problem is that the print head is not moving horizontally along the
line, it just says in place and types each character on top of itself.
I do know that the teletype is sending data correctly from the keyboard
to the computer through the serial cable, and the computer is receiving
the commands. Output from the computer to the teletype is received and
the print head itself is printing the correct characters. The problem is
that the print head is not being moved to the right/horizontally. I can
manually move the print head while in a operation (I can send a punch
command to the printout paper for example) and if I time it just right I
can space out the printed characters manually so I can see what has been
sent from the computer.
Can anyone help identify the fix?
I would be willing to travel to someone with experience who repairs
these (w/i 250 miles of Wilmington, Delaware), we can talk offline about
service fees/trades. I have a lot of spare teletype and other parts.
Worst case I guess I will offer buy another stock ASR 33 if anyone has
one and this one can't be fixed. Is there such thing as teletype repair
in the Philadelphia - Washington DC area?
Here are some pics, if they do any good. I can take more of targeted
locations.
http://vintagecomputer.net/teletype/asr33/2009/
Bill Degnan
On my Vax-11/750, I currently have an UDA-50 adapter connected to a R80 drive.
I would like to get a more modern smaller drive. What drives can be
used with the UDA-50
*AND* are supported under VMS 4.7 or 5.0?
Thanks!
--barrym
Hi, I've been trying to build some of the old dungeon (zork) source files
I've manage to find...
I've bee using SIMH, and it's TS-11 v4 distro
I found some Fortran stuff here: http://www.headcrashers.org/comp/rx01/
When I run SIMH, this is what I get for "show cpu"
CPU, 11/73, NOCIS, idle disabled, autoconfiguration enabled, 256KB
This is my ini file:
set cpu 256k
att rk0 rtv4_rk.dsk
att rk1 dungeon1.dsk
att rk2 dungeon2.dsk
att rk3 asc.dsk
I've figured out how to install the compiler from some PDF's and the test
program will build. However when attempting to link dungeon I'm getting
this error:
------8<------8<------8<------8<
?LINK-W-Undefined globals:
CVTTIM
GTIM
$OVRH
------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<
I cut out the references for CVTTIM & GTIM from the source, but the OVRH is
not found... People tell me it's an overlay manager but I cannot find any
mention of this thing anywhere as far as where to find it, build it link
with it or anything.....
I can provide more detail if needed but I'd really appreciate any pointers
on this...
TIA
Jason.
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:57:31 +0200, "Ed Groenenberg" <quapla at xs4all.nl>
wrote:
> Hi,
>|
> Has anybody heard of a 6502 assembler running under RSX-11M?
> And is there any documentation for it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed
When I was doing my thesis, I used an 8085 assembler under RSX-11M that
somebody at the university had written by writing a bunch of macros for
Macro-11, one macro for each 8085 mnemonic. We used the task builder as
a linker, and then a utility, again written by some student, to convert
the image to Intel Hex. I think the PROM burner was controlled by the
PDP as well. I'm sure you could do the same for the 6502.
/Jonas
Hi,
Has anybody heard of a 6502 assembler running under RSX-11M?
And is there any documentation for it?
Thanks,
Ed
--
Certified : VCP 3.x, SCSI 3.x SCSA S10, SCNA S10
Hi! Why does sector numbering start with physical Sector 1 on floppy and
hard disks?
Cylinders and Heads begin at 0 but sectors start at 1. What happened to
Sector 0?
I am referring to physical address not LBA.
I am just wondering. Thanks and have a nice day!
Andrew Lynch
Hello everyone,
My oldest machine is a Goldstar Gold Note 386SX 20 MHz with 2 MB of RAM. I'd
like to do many things with it, but no matter what I try to do, at some
point the screen starts going dark and then bright and then dark
again...varying in brightness until you can't focus on what you are doing
anymore. It's a grayscale LCD. Apparently no dead pixels at all. I've been
told by someone who fixes motherboards and other things for a living that
it's not the screen but something else. However, the man claims he has no
time to look into the machine and find the problem.
If anyone has any idea of what could be wrong, wether it is possible to fix
it and hopefully how, I'm all ears. I will even send it to whoever can fix
it and pay for the repairs, like I intended to do with this local gentleman.
I'm very curious to at least hear what's wrong.
I have the following equpment free for pick up. All or nothing deal.
Wrentham, MA. It's going to the scrapper next Wednesday.
two VAX 4000-100
two AlphaServer 400 4/233 complete and working when I shut them down a
few years ago
two VT520
one VR160
MicroVAX 3100
BA42A storage expansion
BA360 with 4 drives
MicroVAX I, I believe complete, I never powered it up
MicroVAX II box/power supply/backplane only, no drives or boards
Joe Heck
Zane H. Healy & Ethan Dicks wrote:
Snip
...
>> This reminds me that I still need to take some time to image my
>> MicroVMS distro floppies. I'm sure they aren't unique, but I'm not
>> sure where I'd get uVMS from the 'net (and ISTR, there are no versions
>> of full VMS that fit on an RD51 or RD52).
> This is something I for one would like to see preserved. I have a
> VAXstation II/RC that ran MicroVMS.
To clarify about VMS / MicroVMS versions I've looked into some VMS V4.x tapes and found out the following:
Version Type Date written MicroVAX support
V4.0 Full 23-SEP-1984 NO
V4.1 Update <missing> ??
V4.2 Full 12-JUL-1985 NO
V4.3 Update 9-JAN-1986 VMS043.A-COMMON FILES / VMS043.B-VMS ONLY / Saveset VMS043.C-UVMS ONLY
V4.4 Full 30-MAR-1986 YES (integral part of all Savesets)
V4.5 Update 26-SEP-1986 same as with V4.3 (individual Savesets)
V4.6 Full 15-JUN-1987 same as with V4.4 (integral part of all Savesets)
V4.7 Update 29-OCT-1987 same as with V4.3 (individual Savesets)
That seems to me a rather good proof that MicroVMS versions are (at least from V4.3 onwards) functionally equal
(to the extend possible on MicroVAXen) to the corresponding VMS versions.
Distribution tapes were identical, whereas the RX50 floppy sets most probably were not (as to save space/floppies).
I'm still looking for the following versions:
- MicroVMS V1.0 ( = MicroVMS V4.0 ???)
- MicroVMS V4.0
- MicroVMS V4.1
- MicroVMS V4.2
- VMS V4.1
- VMS V4.2 MUP (Mandatory Update)
- VMS 4.3A
- VMS 4.5A
- VMS 4.5B
- VMS 4.5C
- VMS 4.6A
- VMS 4.6B
- VMS 4.6C
- VMS 4.7A
Can anybody help ???
All other versions are available to anyone who wants them.
Regards
Ulli
P.S.
My MicroVAX I runs MicroVMS V4.4,
my two MicroVAX IIs run a VMS V4.6 LAVC together with two VAXstations 2000
Who else has got MicroVAX Is or at least parts to build one???
I'm currently scanning EK-KD32A-OM-002 MicroVAX I Owner's Manual for me & bitsavers.org.
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>
>> On that box in particular, I should really get around to imaging the
>> drive - it has hardware diagnostics already set-up to test Qbus
>> COMBOARDs (the diagnostics themselves are backed up 3 ways, but not in
>> a working environment).
>
> Well... ?Get to work! ?:-)
What? Do you have a Qbus COMBOARD? ;-)
I think one list member ever has piped up that they found a COMBOARD
in a rescued system - we sold a few thousand Unibus "COMBOARD I"
(HASP/3780) boards over 12 years or so, a much smaller number of
Unibus "COMBOARD II" (SNA), and an even smaller number of Qbus
COMBOARDs (HASP/3780/SNA), and by comparison, a microscopic number of
VAXBI COMBOARDs (HASP/3780).
If anyone still cared about setting up sync links between VAXen and
IBMs, I'd have more motivation to work on these sorts of projects, but
since I never have gotten the DWBUA working on my 8200 after it moved
to my house, I don't really have a ready-to-use environment for
testing our old Unibus products (of which I still have a couple tubs).
Qbus is easy, as is VAXBI.
It was a great product for the 1980s, but I don't really hear any buzz
about sync serial comms anymore.
-ethan
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:40 AM, H?lscher
<hoelscher-kirchbrak at freenet.de> wrote:
> To clarify about VMS / MicroVMS versions...
>
> That seems to me a rather good proof that MicroVMS versions are (at least from V4.3 onwards) functionally equal
> (to the extend possible on MicroVAXen) to the corresponding VMS versions.
That sounds right from what I remember. After that point, it became a
memory/disk space issue, not an architectural issue. I don't recall
when uVAX-I support was dropped, but I don't think VMS 6.0 is
supported on an RD54 (though it _can_ be mostly wedged in there).
> I'm still looking for the following versions:
>
> - MicroVMS V1.0 ( = MicroVMS V4.0 ???)
I _think_ that might be the case.
> - MicroVMS V4.0
> - MicroVMS V4.1
> - MicroVMS V4.2
>
> - VMS V4.1
> - VMS V4.2 MUP (Mandatory Update)
> - VMS 4.3A
> - VMS 4.5A
> - VMS 4.5B
> - VMS 4.5C
> - VMS 4.6A
> - VMS 4.6B
> - VMS 4.6C
> - VMS 4.7A
>
> Can anybody help ???
I have many of the earlier ones of those, on original media, though I
can't guarantee what will read and verify from 20-year-old media. I
will certainly give it an attempt.
We had an 11/750 on software support from their initial release in
1983 through 1993, MicroVAXen from their release in 1984 through 1993,
and an 11/730 that probably used the same media as the 11/750, IIRC.
Some of our MicroVAX stuff was on RX50; some on TK50. We ran (u)VMS
and Ultrix. I was able to save about 80%-90% of the distro media when
the company closed (some of the earlier stuff may have been recycled
since TU58s and RX50s were considered "expensive" and "why would we
ever want that old stuff anyway). I do have a pile of DEC distro
floppies for the Pro series that turned into backup and transfer
floppies, so are decorative, but not functional now. :-/
Since I recently went through the exercise of creating a Compaq
utilities disk for my Portable II, I'm in better shape to archive
RX50s. I'll have to dig out my TSZ07 to image install tapes.
I will not get to any of this before Thanksgiving, so please don't
ask, but feel free to rattle my cage (offlist, please) if it's January
and I haven't made a peep.
If you need it sooner, I can't imagine that I'm the only person in the
world who still has 15-25-year-old backup media - someone must have
much of this stuff spun up somewhere (though I can undertstand not
wanting to make it available all the time to random passers-by).
-ethan
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> No rush, I don't have an RX50 at the moment in any case.
On your MicroVAX? TK50 only?
-ethan
Does anyone recognize the vendor logo on this FD1771 chip.
http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/DC_2/DC2_Photo.JPG
I have some National Semiconductor and SMC 1771s. I am looking for an early
Western Digital logo.
Michael Holley
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> If you ever image the floppies I would love to get a copy, even though I am
> not sure how I would get them to install on my MVII. Could you let us know
> if and when you do this?
These are original distro floppies from the late 1980s. I'm honestly
not expecting 100% success on reading them, but fortunately, the
content is far from unique.
As to how you might use them - I'd expect that you'd need a stack of
RX50-formatted 5.25" floppies and the disk image files and an
Intel-based PC running Linux (or perhaps Windows) to apply the image
files to the physical media. Armed with a stack of floppies, you'd
install VMS the way we did it in the old days - spending an afternoon
feeding floppies to SABACKUP.
I have many other things on my plate, so I wouldn't expect to get to
this before the Holidays.
-ethan
Alright. I, luckily, this time, happen to live about 5 miles away from this
generous offer. I'm picking up the entire lot. If anyone needs something
specific - hardware/manuals/software, email me and when I go through
everything I'll do what I can.
--keith
www.decroded.com
I would like to acquire a "local pickup only" item in
Richmond, Texas. If someone could help pack and ship
an item (a little bigger than a 13 inch TV) please let
me know.
Thanks,
Bill Sudbrink
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
> Is there anyone close by that can rescue this and the doc's?
Not me. Too far.
>?This stuff is for the most part worth rescuing. ? ?The MicroVAX I and II can be converted
> into a PDP-11 if so desired.
I was going to do that myself, but I recently came into a fully
working original-model (KDF11) MicroPDP-11, so I'm going to focus on
that now (it has 2x MSV11PK for 512K of memory, an RQDX1, and an RD51
(10MB) - at least until I pull some newer cards/disks off the shelf).
> ?I think MicroVAX I's are moderately rare.
> ?Though since this is in MA, they might not be back there.
They were uncommon but not unknown here in Ohio... I got one from a
former employer, and another that was DEC-upgraded to a MicroVAX-II
(for something like $17,000) when those were new. Since then, though,
I've only ever run across one other. Lots of MicroVAX-IIs.
This reminds me that I still need to take some time to image my
MicroVMS distro floppies. I'm sure they aren't unique, but I'm not
sure where I'd get uVMS from the 'net (and ISTR, there are no versions
of full VMS that fit on an RD51 or RD52).
-ethan
Hi All,
Due to most of my interest in Motorola MVME Unix computers
I have several workstations and misc hardware to go
>from eating my space. Fortunatelly there is no deadline.
My location is Helsinki/Finland/Europe.
All at cost of shipping and packaging. Bids are welcome.
If there is enough interest I could make a Central European
drive and deliver door to door but I would like to have some costs covered.
Please email Your interests directly to me:
mnusa2 at hotmail dot com.
I can provide more information and possible pictures if needed.
Everything is within my arm's reach but shifting equipment may take awhile.
General disclaimer: when cost only, no promises, no guarantee, everything as is.
If you pay for it, money back if DOA (excluding shipping costs).
I will ship also to USA but shipping costs will be high.
Decstation 3100 complete
- color monitor
- mouse + keyboard
- cpu + 2 disk boxes + 1 tk50 box + tk50 cleaning kit
- 24 MB RAM
- OSF/1 installed and running
- OSF/1 tapes + images - some read errors though
- full working condition - monitor cable has some problems - looses some colors occasionally
DEC MicroVAX 4000 - 200 in two BA440 cabinets ( I presume)
- Configuration and condition unknown
Several HP 9000/715 workstations - base units only
- some extra RAM available
- most in working condition
- 80s, 50s, 75s
- Some HIL keyboards
- Keyboard/Mouse boxes for 715/80
HP X-stations
- 700s 5-6 pcs
MISC HW (unknown condition, presumed working)
- Decstation 2100 base unit probably with 3100 motherboard
- DEC Storage Expansion box 1
- DEC Storage Expansion box 2
- DEC Storage Expansion box 3
- Decstation 5000/200 base unit
- Decstation 5000/200 base unit
- Decstation 5000/260 base unit
- 2 pcs HP9144
- HP9142
- HP 9000/385
- HP 7959S
- HP 382 Controller - A1474A
Monitors (Unknown condition)
- DEC VRT17HA DEC 17" Color Monitor - not working
- DEC 2E-VR299
- DEC VR320
- HP 98798A
- HP A2094
- SUN GDM-17E10
BR,
Matti
_________________________________________________________________
Windows puhelimella saat enemm?n vastinetta rahoillesi.
http://www.windowsmobile.fi
Does anyone have any opinions on a Chatsworth OMR-2000 as a punch-card
reader? I've got some cards that I want to read in, and found this.
The price is a bit more than I wanted to spend, but it looks maybe nicer
than the ones that became surplus (Documation?) after the 2000 US
election debacle.
Pat
--
Purdue University Research Computing --- http://www.rcac.purdue.edu/
The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org
Hello,
I have an old MFM drive (MiniScribe 8425) hooked up to a Xebec
1210C 8-bit ISA controller, pulled out of my Amiga 1060 sidecar, which
used to be the system drive for my A1000 (still in fine shape, thank
you, though the sidecar sadly isn't). The drive ought to have a 5Meg
DOS partition and the rest Amiga formatted.
Out of nostalgia and curiosity, I'd like to attempt to "image" the
drive, to see if I can get at the old Amiga files. Any idea how this
might be possible? I can get a hold of a 1998-era PC, mainly PCI but
still with a single 16-bit ISA slot - but I have no idea if there is
any software that can then get the bits off the drive. ISTR that the
xd driver in linux was broken or removed, or is the card WD100x
compatible? Can NetBSD talk to it? Will the 8-bit BIOS on the card
work in a Celeron class machine? If somehow I find a sufficiently old
PC, how can I get the data off the non-MS-DOS partition?
FWIW, if you're in the Montreal/Ottawa region, and you can make an
image of the drive for me, you can keep the controller and the card
for your collection, and I could even give you a Sidecar with or
without Amiga 1000 for your troubles :-) It is of course quite
possible that both the controller and/or the drive have gone to
silicon heaven, and might make nice wall decorations.
Joe.
PS. I'm thinking a A2000 with A2086 card would probably be a good way
to get at the data. I have neither, only an A3000.
--
Joachim Thiemann :: http://www.tsp.ece.mcgill.ca/~jthiem
Hi,
Although this video is old (uploaded to YouTube Jan 2007) I thought I would mention it. (I didn't get any hits when searching for "Tetris" in the archives)
"Brown's University fourteen-story Sciences Library transformed
into a giant video display which allows bystanders to play a game of
Tetris which can be seen for several miles."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkIRWoo9qrU
It's a shame that there's no sound, or music, but it's pretty cool nonetheless.
Regards,
Andrew B
aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk
I wanted to let all of you know that the 2nd revision of my friend's
PC/XT IDE controller is now available. For those of you not in the
know, this is a way of using modern IDE hard drives in your 8bit PC or
XT system. Works with drives up to 137G (your O/S also has to support
it; 8.4G is way more common) and Compact Flash->IDE controllers too.
CD-ROM support is likely coming eventually, but he has to write an
entire driver that MSCDEX would talk to.
They're being sold at cost: $30 for a kit to solder your own, $40 for a
pre-built and tested card.
These are not quite the end production unit, but darn close. Works in
PC/XT clones, as well as Tandy 1000 series machines (anyone who knows
how hard it is to get an IDE drive into a Tandy will appreciate this).
They are also going to be building one that will fit into a PCjr sidecar
someday. ;)
Details are available on the last message of this forum page:
http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?t=12359&page=109
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I read an article today in 'New Scientist' entitled 'Innovation: Classic
computers on the danger list' with Tom Simonite writing: "Pretty much every
adult alive today has seen computers change the world, but we are doing
precious little to celebrate the influence of the computers and software
that created our society." Indeed! Are we failing to preserve the earliest
part of microcomputing history? Will classiccmp.org discuss early ucomputers
in 5 yrs., 10 yrs.?
I'm not sure it would be a good idea to ship the RZ25 to the UK since
I'm not absolutely certain that it works. I figured I'd pay the
shipping to someone local if they were interested and that nothing
would be lost if it turned out to be bad. I have no reason to believe
it doesn't work but I have never tried it since it was given to me.
David
On Sep 29, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote:
> Any idea what it might cost to ship the RZ25 to the UK?
>
> Thanks
>
> Rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
> bounces at classiccmp.org]
> On Behalf Of David Betz
> Sent: 29 September 2009 20:29
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: Some DEC parts and a Sun-compatible CD-ROM drive
>
>
>> I have a few DEC items that might be of interest to people here:
>>
>> RZ25-E hard drive
>> BCC14-10 cable
>> BCC05 cable
>> H8574-A SCSI terminator
>>
>> I also have a Toshiba TXM3401E1 CD-ROM drive that I used to install
>> software on a Sun SPARCstation.
>>
>> Of course, I'd like to sell this stuff for millions or at least
>> trade it for an Apple 1 but I'll consider all offers that don't
>> involve negative numbers!
>>
>> Anyone interested in this stuff?
>
> I forgot to mention that this stuff is in Bedford, NH but it's small
> enough that it could be shipped. I also have a canvas bag with the
> NeXT logo and the text "The NeXT Day" on it that was given to me when
> I attended the introduction of the NeXT machine in San Francisco.
>
> Hint: zero is not a negative number
>
Hi, All,
I had great success recently, wedging in a "Dell 1150" Orinoco-based
802.11b card into a CRT-based iMac. I'm having less success with
finding something to fit a G4 cube that recently followed me home.
While at first glance, the antenna connectors look the same in the G4
Cube and iMac, they are not. I'm rather puzzled by that, unless Apple
happened to change connectors from one line to another. I searched
around a bit, but didn't seem to turn up any stated differences on
Apple's support site or on various fora that cover older Macs.
Does anyone have any experience with various G3 and G4 Macs and
Airport cards? Are there two "styles" with incompatible antenna
jacks?
Thanks,
-ethan
I'm subscribed to the digest version, so I'll reply to all questions at
once in this mail.
>>
Were you expecting something other than a bunch of relays? ;)
PBXen are typically very low-tech compared to the rest of the world.
<<
I hoped to find some electronics for for example dial tone generation.
>>
Is that an important question? I like it :-)
<<
I don't to trash it if it is valuable to someone.
>>
Nice device. Why not give it to a telecom museum or hook it up with
a few old rotary type phones? Would be a nice setup for demonstration.
<<
I did think of a telephony museum. But the reason for not choosing the
other option is that I have so many old systems now that probably even
if I started playing full time with them from now till the day I die I
probably cannot do everything I would like to do. So I choose to
restrict my time to just the systems that give me the most satisfaction.
I'm addicted to satisfaction! :-)
Regards,
Bert
http://bert.brothom.nl/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=3226
Is it worth anything? Wanna have it? Let me know.
I bought it at an auction but I was disappointed to find just relays
inside. It takes up a lot of space, so I want to get rid of it.
I think I asked about this several years ago, but I thought I might
try my luck again.
Is anyone aware of any surviving ARPAnet IMP System Software, in any
form?
-Seth
Hi! If you are interested in getting one or more N8VEM S-100 Prototyping
Board PCBs, I am getting ready to make a manufacturing order. Based on my
current projections, I am estimating a single N8VEM S-100 Prototyping Board
PCB will cost $18 each (reduced from $25 each originally) plus $3 shipping
in the US and $6 shipping overseas. I will combine shipping to reduce
shipping costs depending on final weight.
Please let me know soon if you would like to join in the order. If more
persons join the order PCB costs may be further reduced. You can see
additional information on the N8VEM S-100 Prototyping Board at the N8VEM
wiki:
http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/browse/#view=ViewFolder
<http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/browse/#view=ViewFolder¶m=S100>
¶m=S100
Thanks and have a nice day!
Andrew Lynch
I hit the local recycler today and purchased a few tapes drives. Snagged a DDS3 external, DDS4 external, and a cool looking IBM drive that I was hoping might have been AIX. Turns out its an 8MM Mammoth 20/40GB drive (looks like ebay #290335147769). The drive had a couple AS/400 stickers on it and appears to be HVD (with terminator attached on the back). Are these drives pretty decent, reliable, and fast? I don't have any experience with them and grabbed it because I like collecting any kind of removable media drive I don't have. Turned it on (fan must be moving quite a bit of air by the sound of it) and the LCD went through diagnostics and then to a ready state with no tape so I assume its not DOA so far. Just curious what you guys think before I go looking for tapes and a cable to connect it to a HVD 68 pin card in my SUN U5. I assume Solaris 8 might know what to do with this thing, or PC backup software will work with it.
>
> Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 18:19:17 -0700
> From: Josh Dersch <derschjo at mail.msu.edu>
>
> Scrounged a Mac SE motherboard+accelerator from a parts bin at RE-PC
> this afternoon and I'm trying to figure out what it is. Unfortunately
> it looks like a few parts have been scavenged (a crystal oscillator and
> a few chips, plus the 68030+FPU) and there's a loose wire on the
> underside.
>
> I can't find any markings that give away its identity. I have a few
> pictures up at http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/mysterymac/. Anyone
> have any ideas?
There were a number of accelerators available back in the early/mid 90s.
For an identification like that and possibly to find someone else with the
same accelerator who can ID the missing parts, I'd try the appropriate
sub-forum over on 68kmla.net. That's 68K Macintosh Liberation Army.
Jeff Walther
Hi folks,
does anybody have a spare M7256 board for the RK11-D controller?
And/or a backplane for it?
If I find both, I'll have a complete controller...
Best wishes,
Philipp
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> Does anyone have a PDP 14? Or has anyone ever seen one out in the "wild"?
> If so, please contact me directly ;)
The PDP-14 was not a conventional computer... it was what we call today a PLC
(programmable logic controller). Very adaptable to ladder logic and a bit more.
DEC was pretty swift in how they allowed the PDP-14 to be configured via a real computer (a -11 or -8). It wasn't the GUI of PLC configuration today or even of the 80's, but it was a good start.
The overall model of PLC configured or monitored by a computer still holds true today, I think that DEC could have really taken this idea and run with it but the overlap between industrial control and computers even today is less than thorough. The computer geeks don't understand the industrial control and process engineers for the most part (thus the common misuse of Windows PC's where a PLC could do the job far better and without point-and-drool.)
IMHO if you are interested in PDP-14 you must also be interested in early Modicon PLC's, which were far more common, predate the PDP-14, used core memory like the PDP-14, and which the PDP-14 was pretty much a clone of. I think Modicon was also a Massachusets company like DEC.
I never used a PDP-14 but I always understood them to be very much like the core-based Modicons I used.
Tim.
Scrounged a Mac SE motherboard+accelerator from a parts bin at RE-PC
this afternoon and I'm trying to figure out what it is. Unfortunately
it looks like a few parts have been scavenged (a crystal oscillator and
a few chips, plus the 68030+FPU) and there's a loose wire on the underside.
I can't find any markings that give away its identity. I have a few
pictures up at http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/mysterymac/. Anyone
have any ideas?
Thanks,
Josh
Message: 7
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:00:53 +0200 (CEST)
From: Christian Corti <cc at informatik.uni-stuttgart.de>
<cc at informatik.uni-stuttgart.de>
Subject: Re: Classic computers endangered!
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Richard wrote:
> Well, this part is just plain uninfomed:
>
> "Science museums around the world have long collected computing
> kit. But there are only three institutions actively growing
> collections of outdated computers and restoring them to working
> order: the UK's National Museum of Computing (NMOC) at Bletchley
> Park; the Computer History Museum in Silicon Valley; and the Heinz
> Nixdorf MuseumsForum (HNF) in Padaborn, Germany."
>
> Only three? I can name a half-dozen more off the top of my head
> without even googling.
And at least the HNF does not restore/run their machines, they don't even
display them in a logical manner (and it's Paderborn, not Padaborn ;-))
OTOH our little museum has been collecting/restoring etc. for much
over ten years now. And of course, almost everything on display is
functional (people don't want to see dead junk, they are much more
impressed by a demonstration).
Christian
There are 'many' private and public museums that not only preserve but keep
working vintage computers in their collections. Two important ones come to
mind:: 1) The First Computer Museum of Nova Scotia. It has Kenbaks which
some consider to be the first microcomputer. 2) The Digibarn Computer
Museumlocated a shoet distance outside Silicon Valley. Not only does
this museum
have an excellent collection of vintage machines but has an excellent web
site to boot.
There are some interested in vintage computers just as some are
interested in vintage cars. The numbers are really not that large, in either
domain, as far as this observer can determine. Yet we should do all we can
to preserve old computing technology. History will thank us!
Murray
I recently wrote a ping utility for my DOS TCP/IP stack, and I wasn't
satisfied with the 55ms resolution of the BIOS timer tick. I used the
'delay' function in the Turbo C runtime which gives me a processor loop
that delays with 1ms granularity. I figured that I could call that and
poll for the ping reply, and the number of calls would be the ping
latency in ms.
Testing of delay in a controlled environment shows that at least on my
PCjr, it is off by 15%. My V20 processor might be part of the problem,
although I'm not going to fix it.
So I decided to dabble with the 8253 a bit. What a nightmare ..
First, some observations on the 8253:
- Mode 3 on the 8253 is not suitable for reading because of the way it
counts down twice before triggering an interrupt. If you just latch and
read the count you can't tell if you are on the first pass or the second
pass before the interrupt. That's not good for timing.
- Mode 2 counts down and generates an interrupt in a sane way, but
generates a different pulse to the 8259 interrupt controller so I'd
rather not use it. The BIOS initializes with Mode 3, and that is what I
am sticking with.
I decided to make timer 0 tick at a faster rate (64x faster), and in my
interrupt handler I call the original interrupt handler at the
appropriate rate to avoid speeding up the system clock. This works
fine, even on the PCjr. Except for one case ...
On the PCjr, if I touch the keyboard the machine screeches. And not its
normal polite 'Go away I'm busy beep' either. The keyboard on this
machine is wired to NMI instead of IRQ1, so it has higher priority than
timer 0. The NMI interrupt is used to read the keyboard serial data
stream and it uses timer 1 of the 8253 to record when the first bit is
received. Timer 1 isn't used elsewhere, so that is fine. If there is
an error in the serial data it sounds the system beeper, so timer 2 can
get altered at any time making timer 2 unusable.
Any keypress causes the screeching. First, I can't figure out why the
NMI handler is having a problem deserializing the keyboard even if timer
0 is running fast. All interrupts are disabled, so this should be
business as usual. Yet any keypress causes it to go nuts. Any ideas?
(As a side effect the timings reported by ping start to look bad - the
NMI is definitely taking up precious time.)
Second, the machine becomes unstable. I don't care about getting bad
timings because of keypresses, but this is far worse ..
If I disable the NMI interrupt everything is perfect - but then you
can't hit Ctrl-Break to stop pinging. (Yes, I have Ctrl-Break captured,
and it works if I don't mess with timer 0 at all.) I don't want to have
to shut off the keyboard entirely if there is a possibility of figuring
out why the NMI is causing problems with a fast timer 0.
Ideas?
Thanks in advance,
Mike
Hi folks,
I recently tried out a service called "Picasa"...
There you can now see some pictures of some stuff I've been in contact
with the last few months.
The people in Kiel have a giant collection of hardware. Their task is to
compile a much smaller collection for a permanent exhibition. So much
stuff had to go. And there's still more to go. The pictures are not up
to date as their hall's layout changes every few weeks because of
planning processes.
I assume that most of the smaller items will have to go. Some of the
stuff (i.e. masses!) that has not yet found a new home, will probably be
subject to further negotiation, a flea market (auction?) in Kiel, and
many eBay auctions.
So now, look and see:
http://picasaweb.google.com/iraeus/AFewImpressionsFromKiel
With kind regards,
Philipp :-)
My hungry, hungry Mac IIcis gradually eat through cache cards (about one
every three or four years) and I'm down to a low stock again. If you have
some sitting in your closet doing nothing and could possibly be persuaded
to discuss their future, please send me a message off-list. You will make
IIcis doing real work in my apartment very happy :)
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-- If Milli Vanilli falls in the woods, does someone else make a sound? -- rhf
So a couple of weekends ago I was down sick with the flu and one late
evening when I couldn't sleep I purchased a PDP-8/e off eBay, having
convinced myself it was a really good deal while only half-awake.
Here's the thing -- I already have an 8/e; I have no idea what I'm going
to do with /two /of them.
Here's what I have -- a bare-minimum 8/e with 4k of core, the basic CPU
set and a single Omnibus backplane. No top cover. Front panel bulbs
all seem good.
It works fine (as far as I can tell -- programs I toggle in run, etc),
is very clean, and is in decent shape. (A few scratches on the front
panel, but honestly it doesn't look that bad.) An interesting detail --
the front panel says "digital equipment international ltd galway,
ireland" instead of the usual "maynard, massachusetts" herald. I'm
assuming that means it's worth a million dollars. Think of the deal
you'll be getting!
I'm asking only what I paid for it, which is $650. (Or alternately,
trading for something "cool." Always looking for an Altair or a Xerox
D-machine... :))
I'd prefer local pickup (and I'll drive a ways to meet you) but if you
want to arrange something with Craters & Freighters or something similar
I can do that too. I don't trust myself to pack and ship this thing
myself without breaking it (and that would be a shame.)
I can take pictures if desired.
Thanks,
Josh
Being a vintage computer and synthesiser fan, I'd love
to get a Fairlight CMI for restoration/care/actual use
so if anyone has any Fairlight CMI model they would like
to either sell or trade let me know. Can be EU or US.
Cheers
Ian