- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by feldman.r＠comcast.net

>Message: 25 >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:15:08 +0100 >From: "Andrew Burton" aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk > >Excel is easy to use and comes with all Windows based computers. Sadly I am >not old enough (or lucky enough) to have used any alternatives - though I >have heard of Lotus long before I joined this list. > >Regards, >Andrew B If you want to try Lotus 123, get an HP LX 200 palmtop computer. It comes with Lotus built into the ROM. In fact, the ability to run Lotus 123 was the genesis of the HP plamtops. One of my gripes about Lotus 123 is that it excelled (pun intended) at losing your work, as it did not ask you to save the file when you quit -- "/Q" would quit the program whether or not you had unsaved work. Bob?? PS. Re the "what calcularor to get" thread, you can get an HP LX200 and run any of a number of MS-DOS HP calculator emulators on it.

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Monroe OC 8820 - OS8MT

by cambrook＠gmail.com

For the attention of Leaknoil I have an OC 8820 with various disks ... Contact me if you are interested. Peter UK

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old clocks

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

Does anyone in here admire/collect old clocks? I want to get a Standard Electric AR-2 slave clock (60s style). I fondly remember that model as the one used at my elementary and junior high schools. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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open FTP index

by aek＠bitsavers.org

just stumbled upon this http://www.mmnt.net/ this is interesting since afaik Google doesn't index anonymous ftp sites and there is a site search. I see one of the trailing-edge sites is on there.

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hp calculators

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

It's still not too hard to find a HP-25. Retrofit the rechargeables and you're set. But IMHO the true sweet spot is a HP-15C or HP-11C. A set of batteries will last for years. I am not a huge fan of bells-and-whistles features.

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Can we PLEASE change this subject line? (was RE: Dennis Ritchie has died)

by IanK＠vulcan.com

It makes me depressed all over again each time I see it.... -- Ian ________________________________________ From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Barry L. Kline [blkline at attglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:36 AM To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie has died On 10/20/2011 02:03 PM, vintagecoder at aol.com wrote: > I believe OS/400 started out with S/34 and 36 and grew into iOS now > running on POWER. Actually, OS/400 started out with CPF on the S/38. Barry

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more dec stuff available

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

It was written.... I have a number of PDP-11 software manuals, processor manuals, a few books & even a few software mag tapes from when I had worked at Digital Equipment. I also have a number of processor manuals & some schematics for DEC System 10 & 20. Would you be interested in them or know someone who would like them? The system 10 & 20 schematics piqued my interest. If anyone wants to follow up on this, email me off list for contact details. J

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pdp 11/70 boards available

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

There is a complete set of PDP 11/70 boards available in the UK, apparently free for pickup. If someone wants them, let me know off-list.

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vintage work available

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

A PCB manufacturer in San Diego, CA is currently using PDP 11/04 boxes for Advanced Controls Trudrill machines. They are looking for sources for repair, support, and/or replacement parts. They believe that they could also switch to 11/05, 11/24, or 11/34 boxes with the same application. If anyone is interested and able to provide this, email me off-list for contact details. Best, J

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Steve Jobs -2011

by hilpert＠cs.ubc.ca

Just been reported on the radio that Steve Jobs has died (age 56).

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In search of HP 12821A

by mloewen＠cpumagic.scol.pa.us

I'm looking for a HP 12821A HP-IB board and 59310-60002 cable for my 2109E - does anyone have one for sale or trade? Crisis Computer doesn't have any. Mike Loewen mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/

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Free! HP Netserver LX Server P-Pro Parts

by mikelee＠tdh.com

Not all that "classic" but figured I'd make the offer in case someone needed pieces or parts. Located near the Chicago area, willing to ship parts and I highly doubt anyone would want the whole thing. You however might want HP SCA drive trays (also works in the other HP storage stuff the same age), scsi/sca backplanes (6 drive slots per side, actually quite nice drive cages if you wanted to do something with that), power supplies, proc or mem boards or anything else. It's a mini-fridge sized multi-proc Pentium Pro server with 12 half height drive bays, 3 power supplies, etc. One last offer for parts from this beast before I part it out and scrap it. I'm keeping the basics memory, procs and drives, but I can be convinced to part with those as well if you have a need. Nice machine for its time, but the 1kW/hr power use and physical size is convincing me to get rid of it. Once again, located in the Chicago area. Crossposted, so first come first serve and closer the better. Mike

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For Sale: Phillips PX-1000cr terminal with crypto capabilities

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

FOR SALE: Two Phillips PX-1000cr - a small hand-held message terminal from 1985, with text encryption features. Any interest or value? See a link here: http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/philips/px1000/index.htm

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Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft COBOL 8"disc's

by hp-fix＠xs4all.nl

Free for the cost of shipping : Altos CPM and Microsoft COBOL 8"disc's About 10 discs I don't have the hardware anymore, so before I format the discs... -Rik

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open FTP index

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

On Tuesday 18 October 2011, Al wrote: > just stumbled upon this > http://www.mmnt.net/ > > this is interesting since afaik Google doesn't index anonymous ftp sites and > there is a site search. > > I see one of the trailing-edge sites is on there. In fact Googlebot is regularly scanning all my ftp sites quite regularly. But I would not classify as usefully return search information. There are several other bots out there (some of them russian, one of them may be mmnt) scanning ftp sites. Remember when archie did all this? (Or at least, tried to do all this.)

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old clocks

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Oh well, another post that reminds me of all that tinkering I'd like to do but can't due to lack of time right now. There is a broken Siemens "Hauptuhr" (master clock) HU 10 in one of ?y banana boxes from hell, which formerly did its duty in a school in my district. This is more modern (I'd say 70s if not 80s vintage) unit with a lead-acid battery for backup and a discrete electrical second (or maybe half-second) oscillator driving the "seconds" part of the mechanical work, which in turn actuates a contact to generate "minute" pulses for both the minutes/hours hands of the local dial and the slave clocks. It seems that just the primary oscillator or maybe the seconds actuator is broken, as manually generating pulses via the Set button does advance the hands as expected. What's more, the device also comprises a loop of, IIRC, 5-level punched tape in a box with, I think, one "character" position for every five minutes in either 24 hours or even seven days, which would usually probably be used to ring a bell for signalling the breaks at the desired times (on schooldays), but could of course also accomodate other functions. I also do have a kind of slave clock, but not the usual hands-and-dial variety - mine is a digital one which looks like it was from some kind of larger office and works by means of plastic sheets printed with numbers and arranged in a horizontal drum, which flip downward, one per minute, at the actuation of a magnet. Besides hours and minutes, this thing also has a whole calendar with day-of-week, day-of-month and month display derived from this movement, but I've not yet investigated how it deals with the different lengths of the months, i.e. whether it will need manual intervention every two months or just once a year (apart from going into/leaving DST, of course). Unfortunately some greedy, egoistic creature has pilfered some of the flip sheets, so these will have to be recreated using some kind of plastic stock and painted to match the figure patterns of the rest. Uh huh, how long will I have to live... So long, yours sincerely Arno Kletzander ...sent from HTC Magician PDA ----- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht ----- >Message: 17 >Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:39:08 +0100 (BST) >From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) >To: cctalk at classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: old clocks >Message-ID: <m1RFUg7-000J43C at p850ug1> >Content-Type: text/plain >> Does anyone in here admire/collect old clocks? I want to get a Standard > >Hell yes. I've been interested in clocks for longer than I've been >interested in computers :-). All types of 'clocks' actually, from >sundials to atomic clocks. > >I am (as you have probably guesed) more interested in the movements >(mechanisms, working parts, call it what you will) than the cases. >Unforutnately, antique clocks are expensive, so I can't own what I'd >really like to own, but I cvna still enjoy repairing a 1930's shelf clock >that I've bought for \pounds 10.00 or so in a charity shop (thrift >store). > >> Electric AR-2 slave clock (60s style). I fondly remember that model as >> the one used at my elementary and junior high schools. > >Alas I cna't help you there. > >-tony > > > >Message: 19 >Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:22:58 +0100 (BST) >From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) >To: cctalk at classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: old clocks >Message-ID: <m1RFVMX-000J48C at p850ug1> >Content-Type: text/plain > >> I was a proffesional clockmaker for a while. >> We did mechanical, electric and electronic clock repair and >> manufacture, till the site closed. >> Dont forget you will need some form of master clock to drive the slave dial. >> The drive is a current pulse set to a fixed current and all the dials >> are in series. > > >Many slave clock systems had the dials in series as you describe (and as >is described in Hope-Jones's book), but I am sure the system we had at >school (which weas almost certainly from Gents of Leicester) had the >slave dials in parallel and fed them 24V pulses. I deducdd the first fact >by unpluging the connector on one of the slaved and finding it had no >effect on any of the others and the latter by useing a 'scope... > >Anyway, the pulses for that system were alternate polarity pulses, one >pulse per minute. Something like this : > > -- -- > | | | | >-- ------ ------ ------ -- > | | | | > -- -- > > | | > | | > <-1min-> > >The slave clock motor was similar in concept to the motors in those quartz >insert movements. It had 2 mechncially stable positions half a turn apart. >The +ve goign pulse pulled the (magnetised rotor) one way round between >the ends of the coil core, when the pulse ended, the rotor moved ot the >nearest mechanically stable position. The next pulse (of the oppostie >polarity) again lined the rotor up with the coil core, but the other way >round, It then moved to the other stable position. And so on. > >The master clock had a spring-drivien mechancial movement with a short >(about 30cm) pendulum. The spring was automatically rewound my an >electric motor, and would keep the clock running for quite a time (12 >hours or more) if the mains failed. The pulses to the slave dials were >generated by a pair of 3-terminal mercury switches, which were rocked by >a camshaft. Power to the switches (and thus the slave dials) came from a >transofmer/rectifier unit. Of course if the mains failed, no pulses were >gneerated (there was no battery backup) and the slave dials didn't move. >However therew was a mechanism invovling a mains motor and a differneital >gear which kept track of the missing pulses (when the mains motor wasn't >turnign). When the mains came back on, the thing 'caught up' generating >pulses every few seconds to reset the slaves to the correct time, > >Anyway.... > >While it would be nice to have such a master clock (or, indeed one of the >synchonomes), these slave dials (in all the common systems) effectively >count electrical pulses. And it doesn't matter how you genrate the >pulses. Provided you know what the pulses should look like (voltage, >current, whether they have to be of alternating polarity), it's a fund >exercise to design a digital circuti to produce them using your favourite >technology, whether that's TTL, FPGAs or microcontrollers. > >-tony > > >------------------------------

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C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by jonas＠otter.se

On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:06:17 -0700 (PDT), Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: > > I wasn't given much choice. My parents told me to behave, and to learn > how to handle situations where people with power over me were wrong. (Sometimes unfortunately) you don't get to choose your parents. But you must have had sensible parents :-) > I guess that I learned PART of that - I have never defenestrated a college > administrator! Perhaps the wrong part? ;-) It sounds as if your college administrators ought to be defenestrated as soon as possible, and from as high up as possible... They sound just like Dilbert's pointy-haired boss. /Jonas

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C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by dm561＠torfree.net

-------------Original Message: -------------- Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:06:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> Subject: Re: C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died > ...Although, admittedly, that was half a century ago (PI does NOT change!) > (or DOES IT??)) > -- > Grumpy Ol' Fred -------------------------- Well, Xerox was ready in case it ever does! Supposedly from their Fortran manual: "The primary purpose of the Data statement is to give names to constants; instead of referring to pi as 3.141592653589793 at every appearance, the variable Pi can be given that value with a Data statement and used instead of the longer form of the constant. This also simplifies modifying the program, should the value of pi change." mike

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C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by jonas＠otter.se

> start by undoing a lot of what they had previously been taught, such as > that PI was EXACTLY 22/7 ! (half a century ago, in elementary school, I > got into "big trouble" for telling a teacher that PI was NOT 22/7 !) Aarrghh!! Is that what they teach in American schools?? That is *evil*. My mother once had a teacher who when his pupils were bad, told them to behave, otherwise he would teach them wrong. In his opinion that was the worst punishment he could think of. I am absoutely sure that over here everybody is taught, and always has been, the difference between natural, real, rational and irrational numbers, and that pi is an irrational number which can be approximated by 22/7. The Swedish school system may have very serious problems, but hearing this kind of thing makes me very, very grateful that my kids haven't grown up in the USA. /Jonas

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Sperry 5000/Arete' 1200 Unix Mini

by silent700＠gmail.com

We have had a successful mission with the Sperry minicomputer pickup. We dodged the rain showers and successfully loaded a ~5' rack and two Fujitsu tape drives into two vehicles, then broke for dinner. Here are pics from today, with more to come of internal bits: https://picasaweb.google.com/102190732096693814506/Sperry1200Pickup# The machine appears to be an Arete' 1200, although badged as a Sperry on the front. Research suggests it is equivalent to a Sperry 5000/80 machine. It is a Motorola 68000-based UNIX minicomputer. This one appears to have two CPU boards (each with a 68020 processor,) a few RAM boards for a total of 30MB of RAM, and is missing all of its storage. The drives it used seem to be SMD interfaced but we're not sure what it had originally as there are external and internal connectors. Two Fujitsu 9-track tape drives, model M2444AC, came with the Sperry and we assume they were used with it, too. They are heavy! Here is some information on the Sperry 5000 line. Truly a unique machine! http://www.porterdavis.org/computing/sperry.html -- silent700.blogspot.com Retrocomputing and collecting in the Chicago area: http://chiclassiccomp.org

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Can haz macros? - Re: Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

I think you meant 1959, but ok.

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Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

Heh thanks. The famous one finger salute!

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***SPAM*** Re: Steve Jobs -2011

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

Yeah no joke. I killfiled anything with Steve Jobs in the subject line but this one made it to my phone, where I can't filter. But I do think it may mean something that Dennis Ritchie only died after "the threat" was gone. ------Original Message------ From: Christian Corti Sender: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts ReplyTo: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: ***SPAM*** Re: Steve Jobs -2011 Sent: 18 Oct 2011 09:17 On Mon, 17 Oct 2011, Gene Buckle wrote: > Subject: Re: ***SPAM*** Re: Steve Jobs -2011 Finally someone who declares this "Steve Jobs"-thread as SPAM! ;-) Christian

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Let's talk NeXT - Re: Steve Jobs -2011

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

> So, to completely avoid > vendor lock-in and "a PC for every function", I've used (and will > continue to use) X11. I don't have any problem with X11 as long as you run a standards-compliant web browser in an X11 window :-). Or an xterm. There's very little today I do in X11 that isn't in a web browser or an xterm, don't you know :-) X11 just does not satisfy me as a way to define a high-information-content user interface. It's certainly capable of delivering a high-information-content user interface but it doesn't define it. The web by itself isn't too fancy but couple with Javascript, AJAX, SVG and other high-information-value media of interchange, and boy is it fun to work in! With just a little care, apps scale up enormously and deploy with so little effort on my part. You might note I left out many common web standards as being high information value. Tim.

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Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C, trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by ken＠seefried.com

One of the many potentially great things that died when DEC did was Modula-3, a language with huge promise (and one that didn't jump the shark with Wirth (see: Oberon)). There's a small community keeping it alive, and it's design is still influential (the creator of Python cites it as a primary influence). Perhaps it's time to give it another look. Whenever these sorts of "what should the language look like..." debates come up, as often as not I think "sounds like Modula-3".

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UNIX and C history

by doc＠vaxen.net

The ongoing thread about the origins of C and UNIX have made me wonder about something I was told years ago: "UNIX was written as a host platform for C *development* and was not originally envisioned as the production platform for applications developed on it." In other words, the intent was that developers would write code on UNIX, then port it to an "application-oriented" OS for production. Is there any truth to that? Doc

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C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

On 10/16/2011 12:32 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 15 Oct 2011 at 22:51, Eric Smith wrote: > >> Yes. All C types, except bitfields within a structure, must have >> sizes that are a multiple of the size of the char type. > > Wasn't it presumptuous of K&R to assume that the smallest native > datum was a char? At the time the spec was being written, there did > exist bit-addressable machines, so directly-addressed bit arrays were > certainly possible on some hardware. Not just bit-aligned data: some processors from that same broad era (e.g. iAPX432) didn't even require that instructions be byte or word aligned. I think the point folks are missing is that it isn't the processor that defines the standard data types, but the language. I used to be more condescending towards the attitude that the-whole-world-is-a-stream-of-bytes (having worked with many I/O devices and languages and computers that had far more evolved record concepts) but here i am in 2011 and if I can coerce anything into a stream of bytes - I've got a lot of tools for working with that. Tim.

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Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

I think Free Pascal is self-hosting. Is that right, Gene? ------Original Message------ From: ben Sender: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org To: cctalk at classiccmp.org ReplyTo: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died Sent: 17 Oct 2011 16:58 On 10/17/2011 7:22 AM, Gene Buckle wrote: > > If you don't want to use C/C++, you can't beat FreePascal & Lazarus. But what are they written in? > g. >

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Power brick repair

by jonas＠otter.se

On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 13:42:15 -0500, "Michael B. Brutman" <mbbrutman-cctalk at brutman.com> wrote: > Please, enough of the self-righteousness that always seems to highlight > your purist tendencies, including the ability to construct transistors > from raw materials and simple hand tools. We know where you stand already. I would hardly call Tony self-righteous. He does have strong opinions and lives by his convictions, but I have always got the clear impression that he accepts other people's right to do as they please with their own stuff. He will try to convince you that you should reconsider, if you propose doing something which he thinks is wrong, however I don't think that the connotation "especiallywhensmuglymoralisticandintolerantoftheopinionsandbehaviorofothers" of the word "self-righteous" (from dictionary.com) applies. Being intolerant is not the same as disagreeing and trying to convince people they are wrong. Intolerance implies refusing other people the right to their opinions. Irony does not always go down well either, unfortunately. /Jonas

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Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

Thanks, good stuff! ------Original Message------ From: Ray Arachelian Sender: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org To: General Discussion On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts ReplyTo: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died Sent: 17 Oct 2011 19:53 On 10/17/2011 03:43 PM, Vintage Coder wrote: > Even I could appreciate that (except for the verse about assembler, which I find easier to debug than anything else). > > Hey, I didn't write those verse, I only shared them. :)

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Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

Even I could appreciate that (except for the verse about assembler, which I find easier to debug than anything else).

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Now THIS is nuts...

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

eBay # 120788797213 The guy makes wiredforservice look like a piker. *laughs* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

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WIN 98 QUES

by rlaag＠pacbell.net

VINTAGE (I HOPE) WIN 98 QUES, WHEN I BRING UP WIN 98 A BOX COMES UP FOR ME TO ENTER A NETWORK PASSWORD AND HANGS THERE, HOW CAN I BYPASS THIS SO IT GOES ON TO THE DESKTOP DIRECTLY? ?THANKS ?BOB

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OT(?) : HP1630D Logic Analyser

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

This may be a bit off-topic, although the instrumetn in question is certainly well over 10 years old, it includes a classic microprocessor (68B09, along with a a 6829 MMU, I've never seen one before), and is certainly suitable for repairing classic computers... Anyway, I've been given a really nice toy -- an HP1530D Logic Analyser. The -D model ahs 16 timing channels (which can be confgured in blocks of 8 as state channels) and a further 27 state channels. HP got a lot right in the design of this instrument -- the fact that the pods can only be disconnected after rmeoving a cover plate means that the pods are unlikely to get spearated from the unit and lost, for example. Anyway, given it's a -D (and not a -G), is there anyting I should know about it? Any fun tricks that are not immediately obvious from the manuals (I don't have these on paper :-(, I've been looking at the ones vey kindly provided o nthe Agilent web site) -tony

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Ping Al Kossow, bitsavers content question...do you happen to have....

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

Hi Al, Do you happen to have copies of the following IBM doc available? This is all I/O related, not sure if it's from the 370 days or later. MVS/ESA Component Diagnosis and Logic: EXCP Processor (LY28-1477) LY28-1487 LY28-1488 LC28-1166-5 I noticed you've added a bunch of great IBM doc recently in addition to all the other great IBM doc you have been hosting. THANK YOU for your site and all the great work you are doing!

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Let's talk NeXT - Re: Steve Jobs -2011

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

>> How, exactly, is running something in a web browser "more versatile" >> than running a purpose-built app with a GUI? WTF? To me a "purpose built app with a GUI" is the very definition of "vendor lock-in" and "A PC for every function". To me "vendor lock-in" means "look you have the versatility of running it on this one PC with a mouse and a keyboard and if you want to do it any other way you can pay us for as many copies as you want!". Whereas a web interface means that the display terminal and application server are now decoupled with a strong implication of scalability up the wazoo. (I know, it's all too easy to make it unscalable, or to embed Windows Controls in a web application and tie the browser to a specific Windows build.) It also implies that multiple applications are accessible simultaneously just by opening more browser windows - and means you don't have to swap 10,000 PC's every time you upgrade the central server. To me a web interface is way preferable to say a 3270 for filling forms. I know, the hot-shot mainframe app people had some pretty slick user interfaces on the 3270's for some popular mainframe applications. I've seen good ones and I appreciate them. But the vast majority of 3270 user interfaces sucked rocks. I'm not saying there aren't some really sucky webpages out there but custom roll-your-own-GUI-inside-the-web-page design seems to be very much on the decline, thank god. Tim.

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Need Decnet-11m netkit

by richardlynch3＠verizon.net

Anyone have an image of the Netkit for Decnet-11m+ v4.0 on tk50? I?ve got the Deckit, just need the other one to get ethernet up on my Micro PDP-11. Richard Lynch

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Cool car!

by wdonzelli＠gmail.com

Here is a pretty cool story about stuff found in the middle of nowhere: http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2011/10/10/One-of-the-Rarest-Cars-in-the-World-… -- Will

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PS2Encoder PCBs available

by brain＠jbrain.com

PS2Encoder (http://www.go4retro.com/2011/03/11/micro-project-ps2encoder/) PCBs have arrived. I had planned to offer as just a PCB and a kit option, but if folks are interested in an assembled version, I'd like to know. It looks like the PCB is $5.00, a PCB + a AVR + the minidin6 = $16.00, and a complete kit is $21.00. An assembled unit looks to add ~ 5.00 to the price. Please let me know if you have any interest in any of the options. Jim -- Jim Brain brain at jbrain.com www.jbrain.com

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I feel stupid here lj 4000tn

by a50mhzham＠gmail.com

At 08:46 PM 10/12/2011, you wrote: >hey >Im getting a used lj 4000tn off a friend of mine soon and i want to be ready >is the parallel port on the back a standard ieee 1284 or a hpcn36 mini >centronics >gotta make sure i have the right adaper cable to usb because my newer amd xp >comp does not have a pp port >thanx >chris The N in the 4000TN is for "network." Use Ethernet-- is much more better. 439 . [Humor] I like this new idea of voodoo acupuncture. You don't have to go anywhere, you just walk down the street, and all of a sudden, "Ah!" --Steven Wright NEW: a50mhzham at gmail.com ? N9QQB (amateur radio) "HEY YOU" (loud shouting) ? Second Tops (Set Dancing) ? FIND ME ON FACEBOOK 43? 7' 17.2" N by 88? 6' 28.9" W ? Elevation 815' ? Grid Square EN53wc LAN/Telecom Analyst ? Open-source Dude ? Musician ? Registered Linux User 385531

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Cool car!

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

Tom and the other Caltechies spoke many times of his 300SL but I had never seen it until now. I had however seen and helped move Tom's -11's many many times back and forth and around Pasadena :-). Somehow I knew, just seeing the subject line, that this would be about Tom's 300SL. Tim.

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Trackballs (was Re: Web as generic UI, remote computing service )

by feldman.r＠comcast.net

>Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:00:02 -0700 (PDT) >From: Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> >On Wed, 12 Oct 2011, Doc Shipley wrote: > >> On 10/11/11 4:24 PM, Gene Buckle wrote: >>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, Dave McGuire wrote: >> >>>> -- >>>> Dave McGuire >>>> New Kensington, PA >>> ^^^^^^^^^^ >>> >>> Is that where those awesome trackballs are born? :) >> >> >> ?No, I believe Logitech is based in Washington State. >> >*snort* ?I've YET to see a trackball from Logitech that wouldn't be better >used as sling-shot ammo. :) ?They do make great mice though. :) > >g. > Get one of these: 2-1/4" Trackball with USB and PS/2 Interface, from Suzo-Happ ( http://na.suzohapp.com/trackballs/565600xx.htm ) and a couple of pushbuttons ( http://na.suzohapp.com/pushbuttons/539200xx.htm ) and build a case for the parts. These trackballs and pushbuttons are made for arcade game consoles and are super-rugged. I used them in exhibits at the Field Museum in Chicago and used one at work for 10+ years without any problems. The track balls are not cheap ($183), but are rock-solid. Bob

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HP 7980 tape drive in WA

by shumaker＠att.net

HP 7980 Tape drive in a cabinet Looks to be in good shape. Desc: "Turns on. cabinet locked" Located in Tumwater WA currently with 1 bidder at *$9.99* PublicSurplus.com item no: 624353

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Sending documents to bitsavers?

by bdwheele＠indiana.edu

Hey all! I recently followed up on a 4 year old comp.os.vms posting about the DEC InfoServer Local Area Disks protocol and in the process I managed to get a copy of the spec as well as a couple of other related ones. How would I submit these pdfs to bitsavers so they don't get lost to time? Thanks! Brian

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Dennis Ritchie has died

by evan＠snarc.net

https://plus.google.com/u/0/101960720994009339267/posts/ENuEDDYfvKP?hl=en Bad week for computer visionaries. :(

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I feel stupid here lj 4000tn

by halarewich＠gmail.com

hey Im getting a used lj 4000tn off a friend of mine soon and i want to be ready is the parallel port on the back a standard ieee 1284 or a hpcn36 mini centronics gotta make sure i have the right adaper cable to usb because my newer amd xp comp does not have a pp port thanx chris

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X11

by technobug＠comcast.net

<http://xkcd.com/963>

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looking for Seagate ST-1096N

by aek＠bitsavers.org

Trying to recover some data, and it looks like the logic board is dead. 80meg 3.5" SCSI Hoping not to have to buy the one on ebay for $128

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OT(?) : HP1630D Logic Analyser

by jonas＠otter.se

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:37:49 -0700, Eric Smith <eric at brouhaha.com> wrote: > Tony Duell wrote about the HP 1630 logic analyzer: > > the fact that the pods can only be > > disconnected after rmeoving a cover plate means that the pods are > unlikely > > to get spearated from the unit and lost, for example. > > Nope. You underestimate how determined resellers are to destroy the > value of what they're reselling. I don't know why they do it. These do > in fact show up routinely without pods. Because they think they can make more money by selling the pods separately? It happens with old cameras as well, the camera is sold without its special take-up spool, which is sold separately for as much as the camera itself. And with cars, sell an old car in parts and you will get much more for it than if you sell it intact. /Jonas

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Steve Jobs -2011

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

>> The Mac Plus _did_ have an Apple-designed interface: The ADB port. >> However, as usual, this was thoroughly documented on the hardware and >> software side, and many third party peripherals were built. Ditto >> Appletalk serial - fully documented and specified, many third party >> peripherals. > where are they now? Kinda like asking "where is 20 mA current loop now?" They were proprietary in their origins but with open documentation and set a very good standard for how to implement desktop interfaces "right". ADB's concepts are strong and alive in USB. Appletalk's concepts are strong and alive in Ethernet. (I know, Ethernet predates Appletalk.) Tim.

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WTB : HP JETDIRECT J4135A

by halarewich＠gmail.com

Hello just currious if anybody has an extra hp jetdirect card j4135a with usb I have an older hp4000tn laserjet printer trying to find this card 4 it (no parallel port on the back of my newer conputer) th chris

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VCF East 8.0

by evan＠snarc.net

May 5-6, 2012, at our museum in Wall, New Jersey. Web page not yet ready.

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Anyone have a current e-mail address for Steve Loboyko?

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

Hi, All, Last week, I intercepted a 1970s Remex paper tape reader from a CNC mill that was on its way to the scrappers. It resembles this one: http://juliepalooza.8m.com/sl/remex.htm I wanted to look at Steve Loboyko's code for his PIC serial adapter and my attempt to download his link to his source was denied by his ISP (due to the .asm extension). I wrote him at the address in the GIF file he embedded in the page and my message bounced. Does anyone have a current address for Steve Loboyko or happen to have already downloaded his file remex.asm and could send it to me? My plan is to examine the code, look for pitfalls, and see what it would take to implement a similar scheme on an AVR chip since that's what I have in abundance. It looks like a fairly simple handshake and perhaps a bitwise data inversion then byte-wise serial transmission, but I'd rather peek over someone's shoulder and see what they did, given the chance. Thanks, -ethan

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1984 ad (was re: Steve Jobs -2011)

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

Eric writes: >Al Kossow wrote about the 1984 ad: > > http://www.adweek.com/news/advertising-branding/1984-good-it-gets-125608 > This quote from the article was especially interesting: > I continued working on Apple until 1994, when it became > clear that there wasn?t a single person left at the company > who understood or appreciated the Apple brand. IBM was > more interested in being Apple than Apple was, and I found a > better audience in Armonk than I did in Cupertino. I certainly never was an Apple employee unlike others here. It's interesting that Apple was away from Jobs from 1985 till 1996 and how this overlaps some of the dates others write, or I have implied in the past. The 1985 to 1996 period certainly had a lot of solid incremental advances in the Mac. The PowerBook and System 7 certainly blew away anything available on a PC-clone at the time. But at the same time there were NeXT's popping up in offices around me too.... :-) Tim.

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space bar needed for LA30

by legalize＠xmission.com

Does anyone (Paul?) happen to have a spare space bar for the LA30? Is the spacebar used on the LA36 a suitable replacement? -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/the-direct3d-graphics-pipeline/> Legalize Adulthood! <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>

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Anyone have an IBM N40 RS/6000 laptop?

by michael.99.thompson＠gmail.com

> From:?Josh Dersch <derschjo at mail.msu.edu> > Date:?Sat, 08 Oct 2011 23:38:42 -0700 > Anyone out there have one of these things? ?It's an oddball, made for IBM by Tadpole (same guys who made the Sparcbook). > > I'm trying to identify a scorched component in the battery compartment of mine in the hopes that I can get it running again. ?It's next to the memory, on the right hand side (with the front of the laptop facing toward you) labeled as "TR35" on the PCB. ?It's an 8-pin surface-mount component, but the one in mine is scorched so badly it's unidentifiable. ?And I somehow doubt i'll find a schematic :). > > Thanks, > Josh I see an 8-pin IC that is labeled LT 324 0425. It is at the right of the memory on the motherboard and DIMs. On mine it it is silkscreened D54 next to the IC., -- Michael Thompson

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Running 110V PDP-11 in a 220V world

by toby＠pdp11.co.uk

I've just got hold of a pair of PDP-11/35s that have 110V power supplies. What is the collectives view on the best way of running these in the UK? Is it safe to use a step down transformer (one of these for example: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-3-KVA-SITE-TRANSFORMER-110-VOLT-110V-UK-SUPPLY-…) or can I change the setup of the PSU to work from 220V? Many thanks, Toby

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Fuji Eagle Bearing Replacement

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

> Has anyone attempted to do so or has disassembled the disk enclosure? > I would like to know if the heads are parked on or off the disks. I've taken apart HDA's from crashed Eagles, with no hope of ever putting back together. The heads are parked in the landing zones on the disk. An Eagle is a little more complicated than a "typlcal" drive in that each surface has two heads - one covers the inner half, the other covers the outer half. I don't think this head arrangement is unique to the Eagle but it's not all that common. At least one of the bearings (the bottom one) is in fact out of the HDA isn't it? On the top center of the HDA there's some sort of cover plate and I bet the top bearing is underneath it. Some might count that as "inside the HDA" but I count it as "on the outside and secured by a cover plate". Not that I've ever done a bearing replacement on an HDA quite like this. On removable pack drives, sure (RL01/02, RK05, etc) but obviously the pack was out :-). I would think you could locate a working HDA without a lot of difficulty.

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Linguistic debate, was: Re: Sr. Server Engineer (Vintage Systems) etc

by jonas＠otter.se

Since this thread has gone completely off at a tangent, how about this: Shouldn't the sentence "They were an HP9866 printer, an HP71 and an HP82165 GPIO unit, and an home-made interface" be "They were an HP9866 printer, an HP71 and an HP82165 GPIO unit, and *a* home-made interface " and similarly "a 'Oxford comma' " should be "*an* 'Oxford comma' " ? (since "HP" is pronounced "aitch-pee" (beginning with a vowel sound) and "home-made" begins with a consonant sound). Seriously though, I agree with Tony that sometimes minute details of punctuation, quoting etc can be extremely significant. I spent four years writing installation instructions for Unix software for Ericsson, and during the review of every document, such details were always taken extremely seriously, since it was intended that the reader of the document should be able to reproduce every command exactly as intended, otherwise the installation would fail, or be done incorrectly. Obviously a Unix command line is very sensitive to dots, spaces, upper/lower case etc. Another aspect which I think is important is that documentation which contains spelling errors, bad grammar, bad translations etc reflects badly on a product which may be excellent otherwise. If you can't be bothered to produce correctly spelt, grammatically correct documentation, what is to say that the product itself is any better? /Jonas On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 21:11:03 +0100 (BST), ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote: > The text 'I used 3 devices at my HPCC demonstration this year. They were > an HP9866 printer, an HP71 and an HP82165 GPIO unit and an home-made > interface' makes little sense. But adding the extra comma 'I used 3 > devices at my HPCC demonstration this year. They were an HP9866 printer, > an HP71 and an HP82165 GPIO unit, and an home-made interface' implies > that the first deivce was the printer, the second device was the HP71 > together with the 82165 interface and the third device was the home-made > interface. > > I beleive doing this is called a 'Oxford comma'.

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how much current does a G3 iMac pull?

by starbase89＠gmail.com

Does anyone know about how many amps a G3 CRT iMac draws? More specifically, I am talking about a 600MHz G3 model with Airport. Thanks Joe <http://www.infoage.org/>

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Fuji Eagle Bearing Replacement

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

>> An Eagle is a little more complicated than a "typlcal" drive in that >> each surface has two heads - one covers the inner half, the other covers >> the outer half. I don't think this head arrangement is unique to the >> Eagle but it's not all that common. > ST225 !! > Since the HDA is opaque, it's much less unique than people realize. > Generally, the computer "sees" that as two surfaces. ST-225 = 2 platters, 4 heads, one head per surface. ?? Fuji Eagle = 6 platters, 20 heads, two data heads per non-outer surface, plus one servo head on an outer surface. I think the confusion may be "outer half of a surface" vs an "outer surface". Tim.

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steve jobs died

by tdk.knight＠gmail.com

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/10/05/apple-jobs-death.html

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In summary...

by derschjo＠mail.msu.edu

So. 75 new mails in the cctalk folder since I checked my mail this morning: - Sometimes people on eBay are not honest. Sometimes people overreact to this. Sometimes people overreact to the overreaction. - Your college degree doesn't mean much. Or it means something. Maybe. Regardless, a BS is a foot in the door / waste of time / stupid requirement / very useful / a floor wax / a dessert topping / a communist plot. (Choose only 2.) - Sometimes hiring practices are suboptimal or unfair. Especially in the corporate world. This is because HR departments are full of stupid-heads who refuse to acknowledge your greatness. - No one intelligent (er, "truly hard core") uses or buys Microsoft products, EVER. (EVER!) - Mail readers exist. Some are better than others, possibly. Sometimes you can even use them to do stupid things! - Nothing made in the last 30 years has improved Tony's life one iota. (Not even self-adhesive stamps?! But they're so handy!) - Hey, did you hear that HR people / managers are stupid? - Thunderbird sucks / no it's ok! - Some people have axes to grind with other people. - Did you know that if you replace "soft" with "shit" in the name of a certain large software company, it makes people take you seriously? (It's true!) - Some nonsense about some old HP computer thing. What the hell is *that* discussion doing here? Can we... maybe discuss old computers again? Pleeeeeeeze? Here, I'll start: Anyone know if the original TRS-80 Model I power brick suffers from the same failure modes as those old C64/VIC-20 power bricks? Any repair options? I've got an old one that seems to be working OK for now, just wondering if it'll stay that way... - Josh

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Fuji Eagle Bearing Replacement

by technobug＠comcast.net

Has anyone attempted to do so or has disassembled the disk enclosure? I would like to know if the heads are parked on or off the disks. TIA -> CRC

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Replacing aging plastic parts

by mnusa2＠hotmail.com

Hi, Has anybody experience and instructions how to replace aging and breaking plastic parts. I would prefer replacement with metal parts not to repeat the problem later. The problem is in parts like sledges etc. but not in running mechanics. Any tools, methods etc. recommendations are welcome. Unfortunately my experience is more on the electronics side. I would see the replacement work as a nice hobby but I need the skills and tools first. BR Matti Nummi --

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Tandy Videotex and Office Information System

by cctalk＠catcorner.org

In July of 1983 Tandy announced the "Tandy Videotex and Office Information System" that ran under Xenix. It was an early attempt at a hypertext system. It used dialup lines and was hosted on Tandy Model 16b (and later 6000) computers. An 8 port and 16 port multiplexor (that's how they spelled it) were announced. I don't know if either ever shipped. There is some information available in the July 25, 1983 issue of InfoWorld. There is also an article in "TRS-80 Microcomputer News" V5,I 11 (#54 ). I used to run one of these for a local company (that I still work for). Does anyone have the manuals or software from one of these systems? I still have the hardware (not the mux, just the 16b and hard drive). Kelly

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Keeping an old Toshiba printer

by rmaxwell＠bell.net

Perhaps somebody has dealt with a similar issue... I have two venerable Toshiba 24-pin dot matrix printers dating from the mid-1980s, a P1340 and a P341. They are working just fine ? evidently, Toshiba intended these beasts to endure. When I got a new laptop with 64-bit Windows 7 installed, I went through some headaches networking to a Win98 PC that interfaces to the printers, but the data path is working and stable. The problems is that Windows 7 (XP, Vista) hasn?t a clue on how to format for the older printers. I can?t find anyone with a driver that works on the 64-bit Windows 7, and I get absolutely no response when I make enquiries of Toshiba. In fact, as far as I can tell, Toshiba has purged any admission that they once manufactured these beasts from their Websites. Drivers intended for newer Toshiba products don?t produce usable output. I bought my P1340 new for $800 (a significant price for that time and my personal budget), and I am determined to keep using it as long as it works (finding ribbons has not been difficult, indicating that there?s still others working out there). My OSI Superboard, Kaypro 2 and NorthStar Horizon are all perfectly comfortable with these printers, so it is annoying the new stuff is finding it so difficult. Has anyone either (1) made/encountered/adapted a printer driver that would allow Windows 7 to format output for the Toshibas, or (2) found a method of convincing Windows 7 to use printer drivers written for Win98/95/3.1? I really am trying to save myself from having to learn how to write printer drivers for Windows 7... or loading Linux only to find similar issues... Regards, from Bob [rmaxwell at bell.net]

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Free: Sperry Univac machine near Chicago

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

>> https://picasaweb.google.com/102190732096693814506/SperryUnivacRack > Hey, that looks like a Fujitsu M2444AC magtape drive on that system. If you don't want that, would you be willing to slide it in my direction? Not just one, but two! M2444 is pretty sweet. Oftentimes there is a proprietary interface but behind it (Well, beside it in the card cage) is chained the two-50-pin-Pertec-formatted interface. And of course a common option at least when these were used on Suns was SCSI-to-Pertec-Formatted bridge. Tim.

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Free: Sperry Univac machine near Chicago

by silent700＠gmail.com

Got a line on a local Sperry Univac machine, model # unknown but appears to be a 1980s-era UNIX system. Only pics so far are here: https://picasaweb.google.com/102190732096693814506/SperryUnivacRack I believe it is at least two racks containing CPU, boards (probably lots of serial) and tape drive. System is located near Lisle, IL (western suburbs of Chicago.) If anyone is seriously interested and can arrange a pickup, contact me and I will put you in touch with the owner. Time, as always in these cases, is short. -j -- silent700.blogspot.com Retrocomputing and collecting in the Chicago area: http://chiclassiccomp.org

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[rescue] Free: Sperry Univac machine near Chicago

by silent700＠gmail.com

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Patrick Giagnocavo <xemacs5 at gmail.com> wrote: > Pretty sure I see a tape unit in there (6250 being a typical TPI on such tape). > > Also a bunch of serial ports, I am assuming for terminals? Yep...just talked to the owner, he says there were about 30 terminals with it. They are all gone, along with all manuals, tapes, etc :( I am making arrangements for pickup. Stay tuned later in the week for updates... j

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Tek 4170 load available near Seattle

by cclist＠sydex.com

A fellow's posting over at Erik's VC Forum that he's got a good load of Tek 4170 stuff looking for a home: http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?27400- Tektronix-4170-CAD-systems-for-sale-trade

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Apple //c power brick failure

by nigel.d.williams＠gmail.com

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Nigel Williams <nigel.d.williams at gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Geoffrey Reed <geoffr at zipcon.net> wrote: >> Some of them were able to be opened, there were hidden screws in the bottom >> of some, ?there were also some that were 2 piece plastic heat-fused? Or >> glued together. > > Does anyone know if the technique of tapping along the seam will work > with the Apple //c brick power supply? which to me shows no sign of > hidden screws and looks to me "almost" seamless. As no one jumped in regarding my query, I thought I would venture out along and try the tapping-along-the-seam technique previously described and see if I could break into the dead Apple //c power brick. The tapping technique worked very nicely, although I had to apply leverage with a screwdriver hammered into the seam to really crack the two halves apart. The scene of desolation inside revealed why it is dead-dead-dead, see pictures here: https://picasaweb.google.com/118247290269860741639/AppleCPowerSupplyBrickFa… The smell is interesting too, it was nicely bottled up inside the sealed PSU until I opened it...

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Steve Jobs 1955-2011

by alanp＠snowmoose.com

On 10/9/11 10:00 AM, cctech-request at classiccmp.org wrote: >>> > > >>> > > I have no liking of Apple products : >>> > > >>> > > I regard them as being difficult to do anything useful with (my esperience >>> > > is that they make easy jobs trivial and diffiuclt jobs impossible). >>> > > >> > I find that hard to believe. These beasties run Unix, you can script >> > almost anything. Even the GUI is scriptable. I prefer OS X or Linux >> > over the evil OS from Redmond. >> > Or are you talking about pre-OS X? > Yes, I was thinking about pre-OSX for desktop Apple machines. I am told > that OSX does have an accessible unix shell:-). However, their portable > devices don't seem to have any such shell, they don't seem to have > anything that makes them useful for difficult tasks. Why do some people feel the need to be so self-righteous about products that they don't use? You don't like Apple products because of attributes of a product that hasn't shipped in almost a decade? How close-minded is that? FWIW, I use that accessible unix shell under MacOS X to do my job as a Solaris kernel developer. Most of the machines that I use for work (and their consoles and service processors) are network accessible and I have no problem debugging kernel bugs and developing new Solaris features from my MacBook. I don't buy your claim that Apple's portable devices (I presume that you mean iOS devices like iPod touch, iPhone and iPad because my Mac laptops are portable) "don't have anything that makes them useful for difficult tasks" because they don't have a shell. They are devices where the primary input method is touch gestures. "Boy, my TV (or set-top box) is useless because it doesn't have a shell." "Why didn't put a shell interface on this microwave? Worthless!" I am an iOS app developer in my spare time. There are plenty of apps that do difficult things. And iOS devices even have consoles and crash dumps if you are into that. alan

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original WOZ monitor running on S-100 6502 CPU board homebrew system

by lynchaj＠yahoo.com

Hi, Neil just posted an update on his project to get the original WOZ monitor running on the S-100 6502 CPU board. Very nice! http://groups.google.com/group/n8vem/browse_thread/thread/9f02290a7c4c6328# Thanks and have a nice day! Andrew Lynch

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Kanbak-uino Arduino-based KENBAK-1 Recreation

by christian_liendo＠yahoo.com

Link to site: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/09/arduino-based-kenbak-1-recreation.… Now we need the scelbi-uino

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Anyone have an IBM N40 RS/6000 laptop?

by derschjo＠mail.msu.edu

Anyone out there have one of these things? It's an oddball, made for IBM by Tadpole (same guys who made the Sparcbook). I'm trying to identify a scorched component in the battery compartment of mine in the hopes that I can get it running again. It's next to the memory, on the right hand side (with the front of the laptop facing toward you) labeled as "TR35" on the PCB. It's an 8-pin surface-mount component, but the one in mine is scorched so badly it's unidentifiable. And I somehow doubt i'll find a schematic :). Thanks, Josh

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Free for shipping (from Seattle)

by derschjo＠mail.msu.edu

Still cleaning house. Came across the following things I have no need for, if you want them let me know. Free for the cost of shipping. - 2x Intel Pentium II Overdrive chips for Pentium Pro systems. These were working when I pulled them from a system about 5 years ago. If you have a Dual PPro system you're looking to upgrade a bit, here's your ticket. - Tandy Professional Deskmate & MS-DOS/GWBASIC. Binders (in boxes) with manuals and software (5.25" floppy). Looks like they went with a Tandy 3000/4000 originally. I've never owned such a system so I have no idea how I ended up with these. Or why I've kept them for so long. - TRS-80 Model 16 Owner's Manuals (Model 16 and Model II modes). Anything not claimed by 10/15 is getting donated to RE-PC in Tukwila... Thanks, Josh

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Has anyone heard from Mike Ross?

by james.w.stephens＠gmail.com

He went to Iceland On Oct 8, 2011 6:34 PM, "Al Kossow" <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote: I tried emailing him yesterday, and didn't hear anything back. Not sure if it is related to corestore.org being down, through.

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Has anyone heard from Mike Ross?

by aek＠bitsavers.org

I tried emailing him yesterday, and didn't hear anything back. Not sure if it is related to corestore.org being down, through.

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Found a Bondwell 12...

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

Anyone on the list have disks or disk images for this beastie? It's lurking quietly at the local thrift shop and has no docs/media. They probably think it's a DOS machine of some kind. :) (it's a CP/M portable) tnx all! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

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SunBlade 100/Astra UMAX scanner in Redwood City - Last call - items go to electronic recycling tomorrow. - Fwd: Re: [rescue] Free SunBlade 100

by toby＠telegraphics.com.au

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [rescue] Free SunBlade 100 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:26:37 -0700 From: junkmail at crhhome.com Reply-To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org> To: suns-at-home at net-kitchen.com, rescue at sunhelp.org Last call - items go to electronic recycling tomorrow. --charles To: suns-at-home at net-kitchen.com, rescue at sunhelp.org Reply-to: charles at crhhome.com From: charles at crhhome.com Subject: Re: Free SunBlade 100 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Sep 2011 15:56:54 PDT." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <22712.1316905169.0 at locnar> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 15:59:30 -0700 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Here's the pic........... --charles charles at crhhome.com says: > Folks - these items are on my front prouch at the address below, whoever > wants them take them our they go in the dumpster. Call me at 6502611798 > if you want to check if they are still here. > > 1925 Vera ave, Redwood City, CA, 6502611798 > > --charles > > junkmail at crhhome.com says: > > > Free SunBlade 100 > > Astra UMAX 1200S scsi2 scanner - works with Suns > > Some scsi2 cables, cdrom, manuals > > > > U pick up at Redwood City - I will not ship > > > > > > > > --charles [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of IMG_6363.JPG"; x-unix-mode="0644] > Here's the pic........... > > --charles > > charles at crhhome.com says: > > > Folks - these items are on my front prouch at the address below, whoever > > wants them take them our they go in the dumpster. Call me at 6502611798 > > if you want to check if they are still here. > > > > 1925 Vera ave, Redwood City, CA, 6502611798 > > > > --charles > > > > junkmail at crhhome.com says: > > > > > Free SunBlade 100 > > > Astra UMAX 1200S scsi2 scanner - works with Suns > > > Some scsi2 cables, cdrom, manuals > > > > > > U pick up at Redwood City - I will not ship > > > > > > > > > > > > --charles > > > > > > > <<IMG_6363.JPG>> _______________________________________________ rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue

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hard sector diskettes...

by dougcoward＠hotmail.com

On Fri, 7 Oct 2011, Geoff Reed wrote: > i am now on the hunt for 10 sector disks for a northstar horizon. a few > years back I purchased a bunch and they were stolen... I thought that my > northstar had been stolen, but *happy dance* in the process of moving > from one storage unit to another, what did I find... my horizon :) no > media for it remains :( and the manuals are gone, don't remember if the > thief that broke into my storage P*ssed on them or is they were taken at > the time also. > Hi Geoff, If you don't mind a Do It Yourself project, back in 97 I posted instructions on how I turn soft sectored diskettes into 10 sector, hard sectored diskettes for my Horizon. You would just need one hard sectored diskette to use as a template. http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/1997-December/146757.html --Doug Coward Poulsbo, WA The new home of the Analog Museum and History Center is http://www.cowardstereoview.com/analog

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Pertec, MPI, and Ampex disk drives + Xenotron II

by jws＠jwsss.com

Pertec 310348669864 MPI 310349702429 Ampex 310349706855 something called a xenotron II with horrible screen rash 310349704482 (listed as xentron, which is a totall different operation) Might be something related to this listing: (from a google search from another list) http://users.monash.edu.au/~ralphk/xvc2-xenotron.html

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Molecular computer, and, KAYPRO 10 available, Bytes, Microcomputing

by rcbartel＠yahoo.com

I am interested in the Molecular computer (CP/M).? Rick? 410-903--2759

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OSI 560Z card (PDP-8 emulation on OSI) info / software

by dfnr2＠yahoo.com

Hello, I'm looking for any information on the OSI 560Z card.? This was an OSI plug-in card that had an intersil/Harris IM6100 chip, and a Z-80 chip both under control of the 6502 Host CPU.? The card also had 64K of RAM on board, which could be accessed by the 6502 via a sliding 4k window at a fixed address in the 6502 memory map.? This allowed emulation of a PDP-8 via the 6502.? I found the schematics on Mark's OSI page (http://osi.marks-lab.com/boards/boards.html), but I'd love to find the manual and software.? If anybody has a manual or software, and care to share it (and let me post it on my web site, http://osiweb.org), I'd be grateful. I just did a quick search, and found a similar query from 2004, but I think enough time has passed that some new lead may turn up. Happy classic computing! Dave

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Bondwell 12 update + new scans...

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

I stopped off to pick up the Bondwell and discovered two things - it DOES have a couple of disks tucked into the little slot underneath the drives, and the proprietor may want as much as $75 for the machine. The employee didn't know for sure and the machine wasn't priced. The person thought the price was "something crazy". I told him if it _was_ $75, it wasn't crazy, it was insane. I'm hoping I don't have a local version of wiredforservice or computerhistorymuseum on my hands. *sigh* I left my contact information - if the guy wants more than $20, he'll enjoy keeping the machine. On to the goodies... I've added a Z-System software catalog and issues 1, 3, 4, and 5 of the Z-Letter as well as an issue of ComputerLand magazine. Hit http://www.retroarchive.org to check 'em out. tnx. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

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Looking for : Sharp PC-1405

by mhstein＠canada.com

--------------Original Message------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:27:36 -0500 (EST) From: liste(a)artware.qc.ca Subject: Looking for : Sharp PC-1405 Or equiv (Tandy had them as PC-2 or something, iirc). The goal of my classic collection is to get one of every computer I've programmed over the years. One of the first computers I programmed was a PC-1405 (actually, I can't remember the exact model). I found one of these in a pawn shop. By brother "stole" it. I found another. This was my one classic computer that was helluva useful. So useful I took it with my places. And, well, I've just lost it. I've checked eBay and there are a few Sharp Pocket Computers, but W@W L@@K @ T3H PR1C3Z! Buy it now for "only" 300 USD! http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3000156764&category=15030 So, does anyone here have one they don't need and/or would be willing to let go for a reasonable price? -Philip -------------------------------------- I've got a PC-1421 Financial Computer if you (or anybody) are interested: 76 character keyboard 16 character display 40K ROM Basic 4.2 Kb RAM Interface for optional CE-126 Printer/Cassette (don't have) 6 modes: Normal calculator Financial calculator Statistical calculator Basic program mode Basic run mode Almost new, in box with cover & 280P manual. Make me an offer (less than US$ 300, or even CDN$ 300 :). mike

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FOR SALE: HP-2000A minicomputer from 1969

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

FOR SALE: HP-2000A minicomputer from 1969 ----------------------------------------- 1. *I* do not own it, just helping the owner. 2. Located in Santa Ana, CA (south of LA) 3. An early time-sharing systems, includes the world?s first 16-bit minicomputer, the HP 2116A. 4. Serial number 0156B. 5. They are asking for just 10% of it's original cost, OBO. 6. Contact me if interested. Must pick-up, no delivery. 7. There are also ASR-33, ASR-35, and ASR-45 terminals. See some photos here: (500K image size) - http://oldcomputers.net/temp/hp-2000a.jpg http://oldcomputers.net/temp/hp-2000a-small.jpg (750K image) - http://oldcomputers.net/temp/hp-2000a-hd.jpg http://oldcomputers.net/temp/hp-2000a-hd-small.jpg http://oldcomputers.net/temp/hp-2000a-open.jpg http://oldcomputers.net/temp/hp-2000a-cards.jpg http://oldcomputers.net/temp/hp-2000a-config.jpg

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Z-Letter...

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

Does anyone know how many issues of the Z-Letter (think CP/M & ZCPR) were published? I've got #s 1, 3, 4 and 5 plus the first Z-System software catalog. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

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CHM honors Jim Williams and Bob Pease

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

I just read that CHM will honor Jim Williams and Bob Pease in a new exhibit opening on October 15th. The exhibit will feature Jim William's well-known, unbelievably cluttered bench, painstakinly relocated in-situ. I felt a real physical pain when I learned about the deaths of Williams and Pease. Thank you, CHM, for doing this. Article with photos here: http://www.edn.com/article/519496-Computer_History_Museum_honors_Jim_Willia… This is, of course, not intended to detract from the well-deserved attention Steve Jobs (RIP) is getting. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL

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cctalk Digest, Vol 98, Issue 15

by technobug＠comcast.net

On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 22:02:05 -0700 (PDT), Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: > The "rule" is that the period is SUPPOSED to go inside the quotes, > indisunirregardless of whether that conveys the correct meaning! > see: <http://www.uclick.com/client/wpc/nq/> :-) . ->CRC

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Getting further ot, but RE: Sr. Server Engineer (Vintage, Systems)

by jonas＠otter.se

"Business people" love Microsoft because they think Microsoft and > Bill Gates are the same entity, and like to be associated with money and > financial success. These people typically haven't an iota of technical > know-how, and they're NOT the people who should be telling others what > tools to use to do their jobs. That's nonsense. "Business people" love Microsoft because a) they think that if they buy the same as everybody else, there will be no problems exchanging mail, documents etc with other companies, b) they know that they can easily find staff who knows how to use MS products, and c) they assume that if they buy from a large corporation they can always get some reasonable level of support, the products and support will be around for the foreseeable future, and if something really bad happens, they expect they can get help to fix it. They also prefer to get everything from one place since it is easier to speak to one supplier than several, and the products can be expected to interoperate, without several different supplier pointing their fingers at each other when something doesn't work. However, in Europe quite a few government entities and private companies have got fed up with MSs total dominance, and have begun mandating the use of open source tools. The Swedish government's public procurement of software includes both proprietary software and open source software. /Jonas

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Getting further ot, but RE: Sr. Server Engineer (Vintage, Systems) at Living Computer, Museum,

by jonas＠otter.se

On 2011-10-05 19:00, cctech-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > Think of a rigid requirement of a specific mail program, or other largely > interchangeable tool, as an asshole/not-asshole filter of employERs. > > > My employer (a community college system) uses Outhouse, and more than once > a week IT/helpdesk has to try again to explain phishing, and begging > people to not open attachments. People who pass on urban legends, as > "TRUE", get thanked by their colleagues, debunkers get chastised for > "being mean". Last week was the "cell phone DO NOT CALL". There is a > concerted effort to AVOID compliance with the state mandate of teaching > "information competency". > > Yesterday, we received a> MB email that consisted of a single sentence. > BUT, it was tilted a few degrees, and the signature was a different color. > One of our top administators, to send out that single sentence, had > created a Weird document, printed it out, SCANNED that, and sent it out as > an attachment to an email with a Subject: line of "FYI", and a message > body (other than the attachment), of "Open the attachment." > > BTW, many years ago, they employed substantial additional temporary staff > to do scanning when they changed the OFFICIAL word processor from > WordPervert to Weird. > > They tried to fire one of my colleagues for being a hoarder, and > retrieving working computer hardware from college dumpsters (including an > 11/70, which was no longer in his office). They gave him 2 hours to get > what he could out of his [admittedly JAM-PACKED] office and then > dumpstered everything else that he hadn't stuffed into his car, including > NorthstarS, Sol, and a few more S100 machines. > > > I don't think that I can manage to avoid getting fired [for doing my job] > for another 3.64 semesters. Thursday, I gave copies to a student who > requested them, of the Grand Jury investigation into our administration > and the Accreditation Commissions' report when they placed our > accreditation "on probation". You make it sound as if Dilbert is actually true... That level of incompetence would be really hard to find over here. /Jonas

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Fwd: Donner Analog Schematics

by hilpert＠cs.ubc.ca

Forwarding this to the list in case anyone can help out. I presume the fellow found me through my web page about an analog computer, and/or my page about a Systron Donner counter. I don't have any Systron Donner analog computers however. This would, of course, be (the son of) Higinbotham of tennis-for-two fame. Begin forwarded message: > From: William Higinbotham <higinbotham at hotmail.com> > Date: 2011 October 4 5:36:08 PM PDT > To: <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca> > Subject: Donner Analog Schematics > > Dear Brent Hilbert, (^Hilpert) > ? > ?? My name Is William B. Higinbotham, I am the son of William A. > Higinbotham > who worked at Brookhaven National Laboratory most of his life. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Higinbotham > ? > ?? I am writing you because the museums in the US and a local > laboratory is looking for schematics for (Systron/)Donner analog > computers. Here is an ad for the Donner 3400 > http://www.sciencemag.org/content/129/3349/671.full.pdf? > which Peter Takacs, takacs at bnl.gov has to rebuild the early game > computer. http://www.bnl.gov/bnlweb/history/higinbotham4.asp > Here is the Donner Programming Book > http://www.analogmuseum.org/library/handbook_of_analog_computation.pdf > ? > If you know of any forums to ask if anyone has schematics for these > analog computers, we all would be grateful. > ? > Sincerely > William B. Higinbotham, Bellport, NY? USA

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Steve Jobs

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

That answer is still less offensive than "during!" ------Original Message------ From: Eric Smith Sender: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org To: General Discussion On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts ReplyTo: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Steve Jobs Sent: 6 Oct 2011 06:29 Fred Cisin wrote: > This may offend many, but, . . . > did he die before or after the iPhone5 event? Apple has not (yet) announced any iPhone 5. Assuming that they announce an iPhone 5 at some point in the future, the answer to your question is "before".

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The Commodore 65

by silent700＠gmail.com

Ok...anyone know who dropped the big 20 kilobux on this one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/120784313119?s Not saying it's not worth it (I've certainly never seen a working one, ever,) but the price is still a shock. Big $ for an Apple 1 I can see...there are collectors of "cultural icons" like the original Apple product outside of our hobby. I can't see the same being so for a Commodore relic. -- jht

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Steve Jobs and Classic Computing

by c.murray.mccullough＠gmail.com

Steve Jobs was an early innovator & pioneer of microcomputers who went on to influence how we look at high technology today. An icon has passes on....

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Sr. Server Engineer (Vintage Systems) at Living Computer Museum, Vulcan Inc., Seattle

by RichA＠vulcan.com

We're hiring. The brief job description: Vulcan Inc. - Seattle, WA Living Computer Museum Vulcan's Vintage Systems Team is responsible for the restoration, operation and maintenance of the Living Computer Museum's collection of vintage computer systems. This collection includes mainframe and minicomputer systems manufactured by companies such as Digital Equipment Corporation, Data General, IBM, and Hewlett-Packard during the emergence of interactive and timeshared computing. The goal of the Living Computer Museum is to restore these systems to run historically appropriate software, presenting them as living artifacts to the academic and research communities and to the public. The systems and their associated software and documentation are curated to preserve their historical provenance. For more information on the Living Computer Museum, please visit http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/ ________________________________________________________________________ Sr. Server Engineer The Sr. Server Engineer is responsible for the restoration of vintage systems as well as day-to-day operation and maintenance of the Living Computer Museum collection. Responsibilities include hardware and software installation, configuration, maintenance, troubleshooting, procurement of parts, and certification/performance testing of the various computer systems including associated peripherals. Additional duties include research and writing regarding individual systems and their restoration and preservation. When required and on occasion, responsibilities include assisting on special projects. The ideal candidate will have a Bachelor's degree and at least 6 years related experience and/or training. Operations and administration experience required with mainframe and minicomputer systems, with emphasis on timesharing systems, or senior-level field service experience with same. Must have strong analytical and planning skills with the ability to communicate and conceptualize projects to integrate the technology with the needs and functions of the Living Computer Museum. For a full job description and to apply, please visit our careers site: http://jobs.vulcan.com/ Rich Alderson Vintage Computing Sr. Server Engineer Vulcan, Inc. 505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900 Seattle, WA 98104 mailto:RichA at vulcan.com mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/

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a sad day in computing history....Steve Jobs passed away

by jlobocki＠gmail.com

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/05/us/obit-steve-jobs/?hpt%3DT1&ved=0CBYQqQI… that is all I have so far...

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Apple co-founder and Silicon Valley pioneer Steve Jobs has died

by glen.slick＠gmail.com

Just in case you're not connected to news, Steve Jobs died today. http://www.mercurynews.com/obituaries/ci_19048827

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